1. Amelia Velardo (2025)
2. Jess Dal Pos (2024)
3. Darcy Vescio (2024)
4. Keeley Skepper (2027)
5. Abbie McKay (2026)
6. Gab Pound (2026)
7. Tahlia Read (2024)
8.
9. Kerryn Peterson (nee Harrington) (2025)
10. Mimi Hill (2027)
11.
12. Jess Good (2026)
13. Lulu Beatty (2024)
14. Marianna Anthony (2024)
15.
16. Breann Moody (2027)
17. Dayna Finn (2024)
18. Maddy Guerin (2024)
19. Erone Fitzpatrick (2026)
20. Lily Goss (2024)
21. Harriet Cordner (2024)
22. Mia Austin (2026)
23.
24. Brooke Vickers (2025)
25. Keeley Sherar (2027)
26.
27. Gen Lawson-Taven (2024)
28.
29.
30.
31.
32.
33.
34. Taylor Ortlepp (2024)
35.
36. Ciara Fitzgerald (2024)
37.
38.----
49. Madeline Hendrie (2025)
xx - Yasmin Duursma (2024)+?
xx - Tarni Brown (2024)+?
xx - Celine Moody (2024)+?
xx - Lila Keck (2024)+?
xx - Meg Robertson (2024)+?
delisted/retired/traded
Signed until end of....
2024
2025
2026
2027
2028
2029
2030
1. Brianna Davey (uncontracted)
2. Katie Loynes (2020)
3. Darcy Vescio (2021)
4. Maddie Perspakis (2021)
5. Abbie McKay (2021)
6. Gab Pound (2021)
7. Tayla Harris (2021)
8. Amelia Mullane (uncontracted)
9. Kerryn Harrington (2021)
10. Sarah Hosking (2020)
11. Jess Hosking (2021)
12. Lauren Brazzale (2020)
13. Kirby Bentley (delisted)
14. Chloe Dalton (2020)
15. Brooke Walker (2020)
16. Breann Moody (2020)
17. Courtney Webb (uncontracted)
18. Tilly Lucas-Rodd (uncontracted)
19. Georgia Gee (2021)
20. Charlotte Wilson (2020)
21. Nicola Stevens (2021)
22. Rhiannon Watt (delisted/signed with Saints)
23. Bridie Kennedy (delisted)
24. Reni Hicks (delisted)
25. Jess Edwards (2020)
26. Shae Audley (delisted)
27. Emerson Woods (2020)
28.
29.
30. Alison Downie (2020)
31.
32. Natalie Plane (2020)
33.
34.
35.
36. Jayde Van Dyke (2020)
That is a solid group of girls to make the core of our team. Granted a couple of girls won't last a lot longer: they are not spring chickens. However, the rest is looking very solid.
The question now is Davey: will she stay or will she go? Go is most likely. What will we get for her? I don't think Collingwood can adequately compensate us for the best player remaining in the competition. But that is another tale.
Good work Kruddler, on this and breaking the news a week before the club!
Is there any update on the Davey trade?
I heard a whisper that after the GF TLR got the news she wasn't to be renewed, and Davey spudded up heading for the departure lounge. Anything in this or is it just rubbish?
If it's true it's a bit of a backwards step for AFLW professionalism. This isn't suburban football, you can't argue for higher wages then act like primary school children! It would be like SOS cracking the sads with Carlton if one of his boys fails to make the grade! It's a professional business, so step one is be professional!
I'm a bit perplexed why the club signs Jess Hosking for two years but Sarah Hosking only one, I'd have valued them the other way around, or perhaps even equal!
Good work Kruddler, on this and breaking the news a week before the club!
Is there any update on the Davey trade?
I heard a whisper that after the GF TLR got the news she wasn't to be renewed, and Davey spudded up heading for the departure lounge. Anything in this or is it just rubbish?
If it's true it's a bit of a backwards step for AFLW professionalism. This isn't suburban football, you can't argue for higher wages then act like primary school children! It would be like SOS cracking the sads with Carlton if one of his boys fails to make the grade! It's a professional business, so step one is be professional!
I'm a bit perplexed why the club signs Jess Hosking for two years but Sarah Hosking only one, I'd have valued them the other way around, or perhaps even equal!
I hadn't heard the Davey rumour, but given she was looking to get out last year, i don't think that was a catalyst.
Even if she sooked it up when she heard, that is to be expected somewhat. What is NOT to be expected is once all the initial emotions subside, to continue to sook it up and/or request a trade based on that.
I think there has been plenty of issues with Davey and Collingwood have been chasing her for 2 years now.
As for any updates on the trade....not really.
Pies have released a full list of their re-signings and notable absentees are Sarah Rowe and Ash Brazil.
Rowe will be playing gaelic footy and since the 2020 AFLW season has no actual start date and/or length of season confirmed, its hard for her top commit.
Ditto Brazil and netball. She is signed with the collingwood magpies netball team for 2 more seasons (including 2019).
As for the Hosking anomaly, i said as much in the other thread. Its just weird.
So Mullane has retired from AFLW, pity I thought she really showed something! 2020 will be much tougher for Prespakis in Mullane's absence.
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2019-04-25/three-blues-depart
Uncontracted players might have motivation to move or delay!
The AFL has handed fledgling AFLW sides Richmond and West Coast special draft concessions to help them attract more ready-made talent ahead of the next season of the women's competition.
The Tigers and the Eagles, both new to the competition in 2020, battled in their inaugural season and applied for special assistance earlier in July.
As a result the AFL granted both teams an extra draft pick at the end of the first round (pick No.15 for Richmond and No.16 for West Coast), which must be on-traded to bring in an established player.
That is BS.
Richmond dominated the trade/draft period.
Katie Brennan (Former captain, leading goalkicker at dogs and inaugural marquee player)
Sabrina Frederick-Taub (2x AA and inaugural marquee player)
Monique Conti (B+F winner in premiership year. BOG in grand final. AA)
There are more awards and recognition between those 3 than just about 3 at any club there is.
Yet, they underperformed.
Perhaps they need to look inwards and at their ability to develop their own players?
Just as aside, Ive been following Darcy Vescio on socials. She would do very well to leave the anti man hating bias out of her arguments. On sunday she made a rather unsavoury comment that causes division between the genders with respect to search results on google with respect to AFL w. Some men dont like AFLW. Not all men. Dont lump us all in the same category, particularly when the AFL have already guaranteed the AFLW will suffer no adverse affects from the current state of play, and everyone else is left up in the air with respect to their future.
We may see AFL mens list reduced to keep costs down, and players WILL be cutting a haircut in AFL mens. Not so for AFL W. I am cognisent they have a way to go, but this was a really poor form comment given the current state of play.
I do understand her target audience for that, was to try and build up females self esteem, but there are ways to do it without rubbishing the men of the world in the process. You risk alienating them and standing on your own.
Nthmond ignored AFLW from the start.
Now that it's garnishing some commercial interest, they've come in late with a harvester and tried to ravage opposition lists.
Then, after not getting a result via the piracy pillage pathway, they are crying foul to the "Big House" for special concessions.
Parasites would be a mighty description of Nthmond's behaviour!
Reminds me of how they hurriedly launched that half-baked redevelopment plan for Punt Rd Oval, only after they caught wind that our long term proposal for PP redevelopment might actually have legs!
Just as aside, Ive been following Darcy Vescio on socials. She would do very well to leave the anti man hating bias out of her arguments. On sunday she made a rather unsavoury comment that causes division between the genders with respect to search results on google with respect to AFL w. Some men dont like AFLW. Not all men. Dont lump us all in the same category, particularly when the AFL have already guaranteed the AFLW will suffer no adverse affects from the current state of play, and everyone else is left up in the air with respect to their future.
We may see AFL mens list reduced to keep costs down, and players WILL be cutting a haircut in AFL mens. Not so for AFL W. I am cognisent they have a way to go, but this was a really poor form comment given the current state of play.
I do understand her target audience for that, was to try and build up females self esteem, but there are ways to do it without rubbishing the men of the world in the process. You risk alienating them and standing on your own.
Saw that.
Didn't have the same reaction to you.
I think those of us males who watch it and enjoy it are definitely in the minority. So that message speaks to the majority.
Her whole thing has always been very anti-male.
Given some estimates on the sexuality of the AFLW girls as a whole are very heavily weighted towards same sex inclinations.....its a little more undestandable.
If someone like you or me can their noses out of joint over something like that, imagine what it is like for them to get similar, or most likely worse, comments directed at them on a daily basis. With that in mind, i'm ok with what she said.
If you are in the public eye, you just don't do what Vescio did, you don't lower yourself, you don't generate the canon fodder. It's a debate you can't win because your opponents are full of irrational ideas.
As Thry effectively points out, just gives an opportunity for miscreants to make the claim, "If a man did that....................!"
Many of the people who will react strongly to those comments in social media, are just looking for trouble, so why give them the ammo?
Saw that.
Didn't have the same reaction to you.
I think those of us males who watch it and enjoy it are definitely in the minority. So that message speaks to the majority.
Her whole thing has always been very anti-male.
Given some estimates on the sexuality of the AFLW girls as a whole are very heavily weighted towards same sex inclinations.....its a little more undestandable.
If someone like you or me can their noses out of joint over something like that, imagine what it is like for them to get similar, or most likely worse, comments directed at them on a daily basis. With that in mind, i'm ok with what she said.
Im more rational than most, but ive been pushed to my limit of late.
I wasn't one to make jokes about women growing up. I always thought it were unsavoury and not the aims of treating people equally.
The way we reach true equality is to practise equality. Not this sort of stuff. Its inflammatory, and will breed the next generation of oppressors only.
Stick to the, "she can, so she did" arguments. Its much more effective of building up the self esteem of females.
Former Melbourne women’s captain Elise O’Dea could be on her way to Carlton as the Demons look to reinvigorate their AFLW list.
Dual All-Australian O’Dea, 28, is contracted for the 2021 season but weighing up requesting a trade to the Blues ahead of the AFLW sign and trade period which begins on August 3.
Former Melbourne women’s captain Elise O’Dea could be on her way to Carlton as the Demons look to reinvigorate their AFLW list.
Dual All-Australian O’Dea, 28, is contracted for the 2021 season but weighing up requesting a trade to the Blues ahead of the AFLW sign and trade period which begins on August 3.
She's the type of player we could use, tough mid/HF, but i wouldn't want to give up too much for her.
Here is what we got for giving up Bri Davey (and 2 picks we wouldn't use 60+)
Lucy McEvoy
Brooke Vernon
Serena Gibbs
Courtney Jones
Obviously McEvoy is a gun, Vernon did play, Gibbs and Jones haven't debuted yet.
You could argue that McEvoy is every bit the player Davey is now (or will be) but we'll have her for longer. On top of that we have 3 bonus players.
Would you do that trade in reverse for O'Dea?
Every new draft that comes through, the talent gets better as they have 'grown up' watching the AFLW and training to make it.
Picks are worth more now than ever. I wouldn't want to be giving too many away.
Former Carlton player Sophie Li retired last week too.
She left us for Adelaide and played in their premiership win, against us, on her birthday.
She is now the 4th player to retire from Adelaide this year.
Are their womens side going through something similar to their mens?
We have had no retirements over the same period.
Sarah Hosking looks likely to join Nthmond, rumors are she'll depart our leadership group and enters their's with zero games, perhaps even the captaincy? Surely they aren't that bad they have to import a captain! :o
Whingers are winners, please Mr AFL, we are Nthmond, we ignored AFLW until we realised it's profitable, and now we want all the reward without the hard work, give us more concessions!
Anyway, one of my favourites so I wish her well, just not against us!
Sarah Hosking looks likely to join Nthmond, rumors are she'll depart our leadership group and enters their's with zero games, perhaps even the captaincy? Surely they aren't that bad they have to import a captain! :o
Whingers are winners, please Mr AFL, we are Nthmond, we ignored AFLW until we realised it's profitable, and now we want all the reward without the hard work, give us more concessions!
Anyway, one of my favourites so I wish her well, just not against us!
Thats disappointing, but in football terms, i don't think we'll miss her.
However, she has her own podcast called "Behind the game changers" in which she interviews teammates and talks about all things Carlton. The last question she asks her guests is "What does it mean to you to be a game changer?" and explains that Carlton refers to the AFLW girls as game changers.
It is very much pro-carlton and pro-sticking together. She refused to acknowledge our former captain by name after she jumped ship. I think it was a directive from the club, as all the girls do it, but it spoke volumes that if you are not one of us, we don't have time for you.
Given all of the above, i don't know how she could live with herself by leaving.
Having said that, she was one of a only a couple who only signed a 1-year deal last year. Of all the ones who did, she had the most talent, even her sister signed for 2. So perhaps its been coming for a while?
Either way, i don't like it.
However her days in navy blue look to be done, with her manager Alex Saundry confirming on Tuesday that Sarah was likely to join Richmond during the AFLW sign and trade period, which begins next month.
The trade is likely to involve the Tigers' end of first-round compensation pick, selection No.15 in the national draft, which is pick No.9 in the Victorian draft.
While the Blues are likely to lose Hosking, they are set to gain ex-Melbourne skipper Elise O'Dea, who is strongly considering a move to Carlton.
A host of other Demons including Maddy Guerin (also Carlton), Harriet Cordner (Richmond or the Western Bulldogs), Aliesha Newman (Collingwood) and Bianca Jakobsson (St Kilda) have also emerged as serious trade options as Melbourne look to improve their draft position this year.
Given Hosking didn't make the top 10 in our B+F, if we can get pick 15 for her (really pick 9), then that would be a huge win.
Potentially could use that pick on ODea? Although i'd prefer to use it in the draft i think.
Don't know anything about Maddy Guerin though.
Interesting Jakobsson looks to be off to her 3rd club after starting with us originally.
It's not "stat footy" that Sarah Hosking brings though, she's a big pressure and 1% player.
I think Harf will be very disappointed.
It's not "stat footy" that Sarah Hosking brings though, she's a big pressure and 1% player.
I think Harf will be very disappointed.
Indeed. It will provide some big shoes for our recruits to fill.
1. Grace Egan (2022)
2. Katie Loynes (2021)
3. Darcy Vescio (2021)
4. Maddie Perspakis (2021)
5. Abbie McKay (2021)
6. Gab Pound (2021)
7. Tayla Harris (2021)
8. Vaomua Laloifi (2022)
9. Kerryn Harrington (2022)
10. Sarah Hosking -traded to Richmond
11. Jess Hosking (2021)
12. Lauren Brazzale (2021)
13. Lucy McEvoy (2022)
14. Chloe Dalton (2020)
15. Brooke Walker (2021)
16. Breann Moody (2022)
17.
18. Katie Harrison - delisted
19. Georgia Gee (2022)
20. Charlotte Wilson (2022)
21. Nicola Stevens (2021)
22. Courtney Jones (2021)
23. Sharnie Whiting - delisted
24.
25. Jess Edwards (2021)
26. Joanne Doonan - delisted
27. Emerson Woods - delisted
28.
29.
30. Alison Downie (2021)
31. Brooke Vernon (2022)
32. Natalie Plane (2022)
33. Serena Gibbs (2022)
34.
35.
36. Jayde Van Dyk - traded to
xx. Elise O'Dea (2021+?)
xx. Maddy Guerin (2021+?)
xx. Charlotte Hammans (2021+?)
uncontracted
delisted/retired/traded
Signed until end of 2020 season
Signed until end of 2021 season
So we've just had an update from the club on the recent signing/extensions.
As you can see from the above, there is 1 name that has not signed on for next year.
We need to take 3 picks into the draft and we have a 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounder.
We have a list size of 30.
From the above list, we have 27 players + 3 picks.
End result....
CHLOE DALTON IS NOT PLAYING!
I'm assuming this is because of her rugby 7's double duty and her chasing a(nother?) gold medal.
But unless i'm missing something (i don't think i am) that is devastating news IMO.
I'd like to see Harris and Vescio extend contracts, particularly because Dalton leaves a bit of a shortfall as she can play quite tall for a 180cm type in addition to being ultra-mobile.
We seem to have a smaller running list, but I don't think it's an accident of trading or draft, it looks deliberate.
I'd like to see Harris and Vescio extend contracts, particularly because Dalton leaves a bit of a shortfall as she can play quite tall for a 180cm type in addition to being ultra-mobile.
We seem to have a smaller running list, but I don't think it's an accident of trading or draft, it looks deliberate.
I think there is a good reason as to why Vescio and Harris haven't extended their contracts and its got nothing to do with us, or them.
The AFLW player payments are different to the mens. From memory there is 3 or 4 tiers with limited number of players allowed in each tier.
At a guess its something like..
Tier 1 - 2 players
Tier 2 - 4 players
Tier 3 - 8 players
Tier 4 - the rest.
....and each tier has a capped amount.
So at a guess Harris and Vescio would be currently either a tier 1 or tier 2.
I'm not sure the AFL have set a salary cap/player payments scheme for beyond 2021 at this stage. They might want to either change the players allowed in each, or change the overall TPP itself, or any combination of the above.
So for all involved, its probably best to wait it out given both were part of the original marquee players from season 1.
So we've just had an update from the club on the recent signing/extensions.
As you can see from the above, there is 1 name that has not signed on for next year.
We need to take 3 picks into the draft and we have a 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounder.
We have a list size of 30.
From the above list, we have 27 players + 3 picks.
End result....
CHLOE DALTON IS NOT PLAYING!
I'm assuming this is because of her rugby 7's double duty and her chasing a(nother?) gold medal.
But unless i'm missing something (i don't think i am) that is devastating news IMO.
CONFIRMED.
https://womens.afl/news/51721/star-blue-and-giant-put-aflw-careers-on-hold-for-olympics
PACEY Carlton midfielder Chloe Dalton will put her AFLW career on hold in 2021, returning to rugby sevens to pursue an Olympic berth.
The Tokyo Olympics have been postponed until next year due to the COVID-19 pandemic, and the 27-year-old needs to be based in Sydney until then for training.
Dalton, who finished second in the club's best and fairest this year, will return to the Blues after her Olympic bid, and has signed a contract for 2022.
She previously represented the country at the Rio Games in 2016.
Maddie Prespake extends her contract to 2022.
https://womens.afl/news/51722/re-signings-wrap-gun-trio-locked-in-until-2022
Prespakis, who was crowned the 2020 AFLW best and fairest at just 19 years old, signed a contract extension with Carlton and will be a Blue until at least the end of 2022.
I suspect the AFL has given some direction in terms of contracts from post 2021.
Perhaps we will see a few more extensions now.
Women's footy was to be unaffected next year (gil stated that months ago) on the back of growing the comp. I think the pressure mounted to start providing clarity regarding the future to sign players in both men's and women's.
Updated new players numbers as per our uno number reveal video...lol
We have a new player - Paige Trudgeon. She takes the place of Chloe Dalton who is sitting out the season for Olympic duties.
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/853664/game-changers-sign-trudgeon-on-eve-of-season
3. Darcy Vescio (2021)
5. Abbie McKay (2021)
6. Gab Pound (2021)
7. Tayla Harris (2021)
10. Mimi Hill (2021)
11. Jess Hosking (2021)
12. Lauren Brazzale (2021)
14. Chloe Dalton - Sitting out 2021 for Olympics
15. Brooke Walker (2021)
17. Charlotte Hammans (2021+?)
18. Maddy Guerin (2021+?)
21. Nicola Stevens (2021)
22. Courtney Jones (2021)
23. Daisy Walker (2021)
24. Winnie Laing (2021)
46. Elise O'Dea (2021+?)
xx. Paige Trudgeon (2021)
uncontracted
delisted/retired/traded
Signed until end of 2021 season[/b]
Signed until end of 2022 season
This is the list of players currently in limbo, neither delisted, nor contracted for 2022.
I suspect that everyone with #15 and under, as well as Nic Stevens, will be offered a contract relatively quickly.
The others are all worthy of another year on the list, but it depends on what is available both at the draft and via trade.
Would we offer someone like Downie a one year deal to hold a potential KPF position out of the square leaving Vescio and others to be more mobile, or has that ship sailed?
Would we offer someone like Downie a one year deal to hold a potential KPF position out of the square leaving Vescio and others to be more mobile, or has that ship sailed?
With the picks we have, and the picks we will get from the Harris trade we would either have to delist more players, or forgo a first or 2nd round pick if we re-signed downie.
Not worth it, 18yo kids will be better players nowadays as they have been full time footy players their whole lives rather than converts from other sports
Winnie Laing has been delisted today.
Probably to make room for all of our early draft picks we now have. 5 inside the 2nd round whih equates to 5 inside the top 20 from the vic pool of players.
Downie
Loynes
Harris
Dalton
Edwards
Laing
6 out
1 in - Dal Pos
So 5 picks to use.
Jess Hosking traded to Nthmond.
She only gave the club one day of notice that she wanted a trade! :o
Winnie Laing has been delisted today.
Probably to make room for all of our early draft picks we now have. 5 inside the 2nd round whih equates to 5 inside the top 20 from the vic pool of players.
Downie
Loynes
Harris
Dalton
Edwards
Laing
6 out
1 in - Dal Pos
So 5 picks to use.
Wrapped to get Jess DP. I recall watching a GWS game and to me she was a real stand out with her endeavour, reading of the play and skills, even Mrs Baggers commented on how good she is.
Jess Hosking traded to Nthmond.
She only gave the club one day of notice that she wanted a trade! :o
Do the boys impact the girls at all?
Lockdown is a factor too. It doesnt bode well.
Do the boys impact the girls at all?
Lockdown is a factor too. It doesnt bode well.
The girls have had their own seperate issues.
I think the head of womens football resigned, or got sacked recently. Not sure if that has anything to do with anything.
Jess Hosking traded to Nthmond.
She only gave the club one day of notice that she wanted a trade! :o
Very disappointed, especially after the season she had. But that is that. We got 2 draft picks from it, but ... :(
1. Grace Egan (2022)
2. Katie Loynes - delisted
3. Darcy Vescio (2023)
4. Maddie Perspakis (2022)
5. Abbie McKay (2023)
6. Gab Pound (2023)
7. Tayla Harris - traded
8. Vaomua Laloifi (2022)
9. Kerryn Harrington (2022)
10. Mimi Hill (2023)
11. Jess Hosking - traded
12. Lauren Brazzale (2023)
13. Lucy McEvoy (2023)
14. Chloe Dalton - traded
15. Brooke Walker (2023)
16. Breann Moody (2022)
17. Charlotte Hammans (2022)
18. Maddy Guerin (2022)
19. Georgia Gee (2022)
20. Charlotte Wilson (2022)
21. Nicola Stevens (2023)
22. Courtney Jones (2022)
23. Daisy Walker (2023)
24. Winnie Laing - delisted
25. Jess Edwards - delisted
26.
27.
28.
29.
30. Alison Downie - delisted
31. Brooke Vernon (2022)
32. Natalie Plane (2022)
33. Serena Gibbs (2022)
46. Elise O'Dea (2022)
xx. Paige Trudgeon (2022)
xx. Jess Dal Pos (2022 + ?)
delisted/retired/traded
Signed until end of 2021 season
Signed until end of 2022 season
Signed until end of 2023 season
The rest of our girls who were out of contract have all signed on. Most for 2 years, but a couple for 1 more year. 13 in total signed new contracts.
Now we have everyone contracted, and 5 list spots available.
I reckon we'll use 3 picks and maybe pick up a few others in other ways, like delisted free agents, code crossers etc.
Given we have a strong draft hand and given that each year the quality of footballers in the graduating junior cohort keeps going up I doubt we will pick up more than 1 player outside the draft, maybe none. One experienced player might be worth thinking about. Rocky Cranston might have a point to prove and would be a fairly like for like swap with Harris, whilst the loss we weren't expecting is inside mid Hosking and maybe an experienced hand there would be worth thinking about, but I don't know who there is worth looking at. Alternatively Phoebe Monahan is inside albeit a defender (where Hosking ended up last year) and has a long kick which is handy. AFL site has this article:
https://womens.afl/news/72742/pick-me-t ... ind-a-home
Kaslar is probably not within our age profile, Svarc would offer welcome pace off half back or wing. Forth still only 24 has a wealth of experience and no disgrace to be cut by Adelaide. Any interest in these guys, or anyone else?
I think the younger girls are going to be more capable of being tougher harder and faster than the older girls.
Given we have a strong draft hand and given that each year the quality of footballers in the graduating junior cohort keeps going up I doubt we will pick up more than 1 player outside the draft, maybe none.
We are taking at least 1 outside the draft IMO. Simply because of this....
7. Collingwood trade selection 26 (on-traded from Richmond) and selection 55 (on-traded from Richmond) to Carlton for selection 29 and selection 32 (on-traded from Melbourne).
8. Carlton trade selection 12 and 27 to the Western Bulldogs for selection 11 and 57.
The wash-up from that is that we traded away pick 29+pick 32. All we got back was moving up 1 spot (pick 12 to pick 11 and pick 27 to pick 26). Why would we lose pick 29 + 32 if we were planning on using them? We wouldn't.
Since then we traded Jess Hosking for 23 and 40.
End result is, we have 5 list spots.
Pick 10
Pick 11
Pick 23
Pick 26
Pick 40*** I don't think we'll use this pick. If we had plans to use a pick that late we wouldn't have traded away pick 29+32.
We've obviously got someone in mind.....don't know who though.
FWIW, we have until June 16 to sign a delisted free agent.
Pies did just that and signed up Al Downie (which we knew was on the cards anyway).
We are taking at least 1 outside the draft IMO. Simply because of this....
The wash-up from that is that we traded away pick 29+pick 32. All we got back was moving up 1 spot (pick 12 to pick 11 and pick 27 to pick 26). Why would we lose pick 29 + 32 if we were planning on using them? We wouldn't.
Since then we traded Jess Hosking for 23 and 40.
End result is, we have 5 list spots.
Pick 10
Pick 11
Pick 23
Pick 26
Pick 40*** I don't think we'll use this pick. If we had plans to use a pick that late we wouldn't have traded away pick 29+32.
We've obviously got someone in mind.....don't know who though.
You might be right, but the other possibility is that we have an eye on someone at 11 who might otherwise have been grabbed at 11 before our pick 12 or same scenario at 26 and 27. However given that we swapped 11 and 12 with the Bulldogs that would suggest there wasn't someone both were red hot on at 11 - perhaps Carlton was keener than the dogs though.
Don't see anyone leaping out at me as a DFA we'd be keen on, but you never know. Cranston, Svarc, Monahan and Forth might interest us for different reasons.
Looking to the draft my thoughts are as follows:
We have picks 10,11,23,26 and 40 or more pertinently in the Victorian pool these are picks 6,7,14,16 & 24.
I would have thought there is no chance that either Georgia Prespakis or Charlie Rowbottom will get down to our first pick - they seem to be consensus 1 & 2 probably Rowbottom first. After that the field seems to even out and there doesn't seem much consensus. Assuming those 2 are gone before we get a pick these seem to be the names in rough consensus order in the Victorian pool that might get through to us:
Stella REID 173cm left footed w/hf OAKLEIGH CHARGERS
Ella FRIEND 175cm tall utility GWV Rebels (ex Horsham) - might chose Geelong?
Tara SLENDER 175cm tall utility PIONEERS - mainly fwd or mid strong ohead
Nyakoat DOJIOK 175cm KD can play fwd Rebels - elite athlete but is KD where we have needs?
Tess CRAVEN 163cm in mid Geelong Falcons
Tahlia GILLARD 189cm KF/Ru Calder Cannons strong ohead but skilful on ground - rate her highly
Amanda LING 161cm mid Oakleigh - star of last GF which always bodes well for prospects of succeeding at next level
Jayde ANTHONY 166cm top ager def/util DANDENONG
Annie LEE 169cm defender GEELONG FALCONS - might chose Geelong?
Aurora SMITH 165cm defender Geelong Falcons - might choose Geelong?
Maeve CHAPLIN 162cm def/mid top ager Northern Knights has played VFLW at Blues
Poppy SCHAAP 153cm mid/fwd captain of Falcons - might choose Geelong?
Perry KING 169cm Tasmanian mid - might be claimed by North
Gabbi FEATHERSTONE 169cm KF Geelong Falcons - might chose Geelong?
Neve CROWLEY 175cm mid/fwd Calder Cannons
Megan KIELY mid NM VFLW
Ingrid HOUTSMA 176cm wing Geelong Falcons - might choose Geelong?
Emilia YASSIR - 160cm mid/fwd Calder Cannons - some rate very highly
Maykaylah APPLEBY - 171cm wing or flank either end - quick and good disposal like this player some rate very highly
Imogen MILFORD 179cm KF Casey
Elizabeth DOWLING 171cm utility Geelong Falcons - might choose Geelong?
Oliva MEAGHER 157cm mid top ager tough EASTERN captain
Jorja BORG 182cm Ru Carlton VFLW - mature (1998 birthdate) Carlton VFLW ruck has been excellent
That takes us through to Carlton's last available pick (as I understand it) so I won't go any further other than to note a few more names connected to the Blues - Tarrah Delgado from the Knights has played with the Blues VFLW team whilst Akaylah Peterson, Ally Bild and Jennifer Lew of the VFLW team seem to show AFLW traits.
Given the fairly broad range of opinion after the players that won't likely last to us, we may well be tempted to look to needs a fair bit. It seems to me we need midfield speed, a rebounding defender and a KF who can pinch hit in the ruck would seem to me to be priorities. The loss of Hosking might add an inside player into the mix but I am inclined to the view that even without her and given we have Dal Pos coming in we are more in need of the speed and a tall athlete forward/ruck. Assuming no Prespakis or Rowbottom I'd lean towards GILLARD at first or second pick (they are back to back so no matter which) along with REID and then quick players from there on (unless we go small early in which case I'd like to see a tall later on) and maybe BORG if we want a mature ruck backup with plenty of footy ahead of her. I see value in this - as our list currently stands if MOODY goes down we have GIBBS whi is pretty green and then no real backup for her.
Something like
GILLARD
REID
SLENDER
APPLEBY
BORG
would do me fine.
Charlotte Wilson and Mua Laloifi have extended their contracts for another year until 2023.
That makes 15 of our girls who have signed on (or extended) this trade period.
Plus Dal Pos, makes 16.
Not many left on the list who haven't signed on again.
Kez Harrington extends for another year.
I think we just need Maddie P and Georgia Gee to extend another year and we have our entire starting 18 signed on for 2 years.
Nice video from the club on new jumper numbers.
Take note...
https://twitter.com/carltonfc_w/status/1444074647440412681
We've added Poppy Schaap to our list in place of Serena Gibbs. It's certainly not like for like but Poppy seems to be hard at it and players of that ilk are usually very handy.
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1027826/blues-snap-up-poppy?spMailingID=7518031&spUserID=MzU0ODE0MjE3NTY1S0&spJobID=1360826475&spReportId=MTM2MDgyNjQ3NQS2
Good luck Poppy!
We've added Poppy Schaap to our list in place of Serena Gibbs. It's certainly not like for like but Poppy seems to be hard at it and players of that ilk are usually very handy.
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1027826/blues-snap-up-poppy?spMailingID=7518031&spUserID=MzU0ODE0MjE3NTY1S0&spJobID=1360826475&spReportId=MTM2MDgyNjQ3NQS2
Good luck Poppy!
Poppy was talked about before the draft and was one that slipped through.
Be a good Jess Hosking replacement, although we did get Dal Pos from GWS who is an upgrade in that area.
Hopefully our forwardline stands up.
We can now afford to keep Vescio forward all year without getting short handed in the middle (she was supposed to be a midfielder last season, but ended up winning the coleman!)
Stevens was a good battler but not a great mark, but those 2 could hold down the 2 KPF roles, despite not being KPP's.
We've got some talls in Trudgeon, Milford and Good, each of whom could prove to be a handful as a key forward.
It will be interesting to see how Harf goes with the forward setup this season.
Reports Hill, Harrington and McEvoy about to extend / re-sign, I'd like to Moody to extend / re-sign, and that with Good and Trudgeon and gives us a significant structure to base a recruiting drive. Sherar and Guerin should be extended, both will go up a gear next season.
Media reports Stevens is on the move, but isn't she contracted until 2023?
Contracts don't seem to mean much in AFLW. The expansion clubs seem to be free to raid and the clubs don't seem to want to stand in the way of players making a move despite contract status. Don't quite know how it works as a matter of law - prima facie a contract is binding and could be used to deny a player wanting to switch clubs - but maybe there is something in the terms of the clubs entry into the competition that prevents clubs from holding a player to a contract. Or perhaps it is just a matter of clubs accepting that most players have and need vocations outside of footy and they won't stand in the way of same.
AFLW contracts seem to be short term … at least ours are.
Most of our list are out of contract and that may reflect the fledging nature of the competition and the need to correct list management errors and take advantage of players from other clubs looking for better deals/opportunities.
Short seasons and part-time players probably argue for one or two year contracts.
AFLW contracts seem to be short term … at least ours are.
Most of our list are out of contract and that may reflect the fledging nature of the competition and the need to correct list management errors and take advantage of players from other clubs looking for better deals/opportunities.
Short seasons and part-time players probably argue for one or two year contracts.
Initially, you could only give 1year contracts.
After a few years they gave us the option of 2 years.
With the new cba coming out (hopefully )before the new season, it might be extended passed that.....right in time for us to lose all our players.
Re 'law' side of things, I'm pretty sure all clubs have to agree to the 'expansion' and as a result basically null and void all rules prior....I believe.
1. Grace Egan - traded to Tigers
2. Jess Dal Pos - (2022 B)
3. Darcy Vescio (2022 B)
4. Maddie Perspakis - Poached by the bombers
5. Abbie McKay (2023)
6. Gab Pound (2023)
7. Brooke Walker (2022 B)
8. Vaomua Laloifi (2023)
9. Kerryn Peterson (nee Harrington) (2023)
10. Mimi Hill (2023)
11. Annie Lee (2023)
12. Lauren Brazzale - traded to Collingwood
13. Lucy McEvoy (2023)
14.
15. Jess Good (2023)
16. Breann Moody (2023)
17. Charlotte Hammans (2022 B)
18. Maddy Guerin (2023)
19. Georgia Gee - poached by bombers
20. Charlotte Wilson - traded to Melbourne
21. Nicola Stevens - traded to St. Kilda
22. Courtney Jones - traded to Gold Coast
23. Daisy Walker (2023)
24. Brooke Vickers (2023)
25. Keeley Sherar (2023)
26. Paige Trudgeon (2023)
27.
28. Imogen Milford (2002 B)
29.
30.
31. Brooke Vernon (2022 A)---------
32. Natalie Plane (2022 B)
33. Serena Gibbs (2022 B)
...
46. Elise O'Dea (2022 B)
xx. Poppy Schaap (2022 B)
xx. Amelia Velardo(2022 B)
xx. Phoebe McWilliams (2022 B)
xx. Taylor Ortlepp (2022 B)
delisted/retired/traded
Signed until end of 2022 (A) season
Signed until end of 2022 (B) season
Signed until end of 2023 season
Signed until end of 2024 season
A lot of comings and goings and signings which i think has come to an end.
Updated contracts to show who is signed on for 1 more season (2022 B) and who is signed on for 2 years (2023).
Based on everything i've seen from the club, that is the final list.
There has been no mention of Brooke Vernon anywhere, but there has been a comment saying we have 26 players and will take 4 players via the draft to get us up to the max of 30.
So doing the maths, it appears Brooke Vernon has been or will be delisted,
A lot of comings and goings and signings which i think has come to an end.
Updated contracts to show who is signed on for 1 more season (2022 B) and who is signed on for 2 years (2023).
Based on everything i've seen from the club, that is the final list.
There has been no mention of Brooke Vernon anywhere, but there has been a comment saying we have 26 players and will take 4 players via the draft to get us up to the max of 30.
So doing the maths, it appears Brooke Vernon has been or will be delisted,
A lot of girls have signed up this last week. Krudd, you might have to update your (rather admirable) list.
However, you are correct: no mention of Brooke Vernon.
If she is delisted, she will be picked up: there simply isn't enough talent out there yet to let someone like her escape.
Dal Pos, Vescio, Schaap, O'Dea and Walker were mentioned as signing on for 2 more years, as were Moody, Hill and McEvoy. of those only Dal Pos appears dubious.
A lot of girls have signed up this last week. Krudd, you might have to update your (rather admirable) list.
However, you are correct: no mention of Brooke Vernon.
If she is delisted, she will be picked up: there simply isn't enough talent out there yet to let someone like her escape.
Dal Pos, Vescio, Schaap, O'Dea and Walker were mentioned as signing on for 2 more years, as were Moody, Hill and McEvoy. of those only Dal Pos appears dubious.
That is the updated list Crash. ;)
Its a quirk of the system that there are 2 seasons worth in 1 year.
Hence, we've had 2022 A season already.
Now we will have 2022 B season.
Next year will be 2023 season.
Players can only sign on for 2 seasons at a time, so those '2 year signings' are until the end of 2023.
It’s good to see that Breann Moody has extended her contract, and even better to hear her speak about her commitment to the club.
AFLW is quite fickle with clubs quick to move players on and players quick to seize opportunities elsewhere. In that context, it’s refreshing to see how much the mighty Blues mean to Breann.
Several other players have made similar passionate statements about their connection to the club and that’s great to see ❤️
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1153983
THE CARLTON Football Club will head into the 2022 NAB AFLW Draft with four available positions on its playing list for the upcoming season.
The number of list spots was confirmed today, with Brooke Vernon departing the football club after playing three games in as many seasons for the Game Changers.
Literally no mention of Vernon's delisting from the club, just this journo confirming she is departing.
EDIT:
“We’d also like to thank Brooke for her contributions to the Carlton AFLW program since being drafted in 2019.”
One line, after we could (by doing the maths) work out she was being shown the door is a bit disrepectful
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1153983
Literally no mention of Vernon's delisting from the club, just this journo confirming she is departing.
One line, after we could (by doing the maths) work out she was being shown the door is a bit disrepectful
Vernon played three games over three seasons and Brett Munro's acknowledgement is more than adequate.
Callinan sounds like a good signing to the coaches department, there is always something a bit edgy about little people who make it to the highest level, they often have to work harder to an opportunity. I suspect it is why so often back pockets make great coaches.
Callinan sounds like a good signing to the coaches department, there is always something a bit edgy about little people who make it to the highest level, they often have to work harder to an opportunity. I suspect it is why so often back pockets make great coaches.
We are moving house at the moment, and the little ones will be moving school.
Went for a tour of the new school and was chaperoned around by the principal. He seemed nice enough, school seemed nice enough.
Fast forward a week and that same principal is now an AFLW assistant coach at the doggies.
Apparantly even the coaching department need to have 2 jobs to survive as well.
Name didn't ring a bell, so not sure of his history, but i'd be interested to see how he goes.
I see the Suns are trying to trade Courtney Jones back to Vic, any interest?
I was never fully across why Jones left us in the first place, it felt like just as she was getting over a bad run of injuries and developing some form she was gone.
AFLW is a very very different environment to AFL, it's pretty rare for an AFL player end up back where they started, but I suspect it'll be quite common in AFLW simply because of the rules.
There are a few quirks. I expect the northern states are going to struggle with AFL W and the players egos will be a factor. As it is, the AFL men barely rate a mention up north. Imagine being a girl expecting to forge a professional career and having no profile to discuss.
I see the Suns are trying to trade Courtney Jones back to Vic, any interest?
I was never fully across why Jones left us in the first place, it felt like just as she was getting over a bad run of injuries and developing some form she was gone.
AFLW is a very very different environment to AFL, it's pretty rare for an AFL player end up back where they started, but I suspect it'll be quite common in AFLW simply because of the rules.
Jones was on our list for 3 years.
2 years she didn't get a game.
3rd year she was actually very good.
Then she left for Gold Coast.
Why? Not really sure, probably just more money.
I'd take her back. We need more forward marking options having lost Harris and Stevens (as well as Jones) in the past 2 seasons leaving us with not much apart from a very raw Milford and a passed her used by date McWilliams.
Jones was on our list for 3 years.
2 years she didn't get a game.
I thought she had multiple injuries in those early years, I think I can recall the team celebrating her getting back on the park?
I thought she had multiple injuries in those early years, I think I can recall the team celebrating her getting back on the park?
I'm sure she would've been injured for at least part of that.
When the list is 30, and 21 run out every week, that leaves only 9 that didn't. Half of the 9 that don't play are usually because of injury.
If you are part of the half of the 9 that isn't injured and still don't play, then you basically get flicked at the end of the year.
Mimi Hill signs an extension to be on our list until the end of 2024 (the only one to be signed up on a new 2 year deal starting now).
Plenty of other signings coming up soon as we have plenty of players out of contract, and a few who deserve an extention too.
If only we had a coach......
Club has announced signings of Kez Peterson and Bri Moody.
Now, with Hill, they made a point of saying 2024.
They did not do that with Peterson and Moody which makes me think its just for 2023.
Now, based on my records, they were already signed on for 2023.
So either the club is trying to churn out some good news stories by telling little white lies (they were already signed) or the club needs to work on their communication skills by pointing out its for an additional year......or i got it wrong initially, which i don't think is the case as i only update it when i get a confirmation from the club.
Curious.
Now, with Hill, they made a point of saying 2024.
They did not do that with Peterson and Moody which makes me think its just for 2023.
I heard a coach interviewed about Peterson and they said it was for 2023, maybe 2023 was a contract option that has been triggered.
Yes, it's a bit ducks and drakes, not many drakes in AFLW! :o
The bigger issue for me is head coach who?
I heard a coach interviewed about Peterson and they said it was for 2023, maybe 2023 was a contract option that has been triggered.
Yes, it's a bit ducks and drakes, not many drakes in AFLW! :o
The bigger issue for me is head coach who?
So.....should i send the club a please explain??
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1140481/captain-kerryn-recommits-for-two-more
Kerryn Peterson has put pen to paper and signed on for another two seasons with the Game Changers.
By Carlton Media on Jun 8, 2022, 4:55pm
That was in the middle of the year, between the 2 seasons of 2022.
So that includes the 2nd season of 2022 and 2023.
I reckon i could find similar for Moody and a few others if i looked.
As i said, i don't update the thread unless its confirmed from the club
Interesting wording in the two recent articles. Contract extensions aren't mentioned, just Kerryn and Brea committing or re-committing for 2023. I guess they're just making it clear that they aren't looking for a trade :-\
Interesting wording in the two recent articles. Contract extensions aren't mentioned, just Kerryn and Brea committing or re-committing for 2023. I guess they're just making it clear that they aren't looking for a trade :-\
Yep.
The club is putting on a front saying 'all is well' when in reality, people are jumping ship, we STILL don't have a coach and there is more pain ahead.
If they wanted to highlight the fact that the girls are staying and are 'carlton for life' etc, then do that. Don't pretend like its something it isn't.
Of course if they REALLY wanted to do that, then extend their contract to 2024 like they did with Mimi Hill.
Poor PR spin from the club.
Guerin, Sherar and Vickers extend til end of 2024 season.
Brooke Walker jumps to Bombers for Pick 9.
She hasn't lived up to the hype of late, but f*** me, we could still use her.
Talent is getting VERY THIN.
Mass exodus.
How do the club expect supporters to get behind this debacle,?
Mass exodus.
How do the club expect supporters to get behind this debacle,?
They won't.
Until this nonsense settles down.
There will be a core of support but nowhere near what it could be.
You can't expect support just because a team runs around in a Navy Blue Jumper.
You earn it through actions and deeds.
And step one is 'stability.'
Brooke Walker jumps to Bombers for Pick 9.
She hasn't lived up to the hype of late, but f*** me, we could still use her.
Talent is getting VERY THIN.
Brooke had one good season when we had a very competitive team. I’ll be a tad annoyed if she can recapture that form.
We should be able to get a decent player with pick 9 but AFLW player musical chairs is not helping the competition. I guess Brea and Kez’s decisions to honour their contracts are significant after all 🙄
I would be extending contract lengths to bring some stability to playing lists.
Brooke had one good season when we had a very competitive team. I’ll be a tad annoyed if she can recapture that form.
We should be able to get a decent player with pick 9 but AFLW player musical chairs is not helping the competition. I guess Brea and Kez’s decisions to honour their contracts are significant after all 🙄
I would be extending contract lengths to bring some stability to playing lists.
Brooke was good when her focus was on footy. Once she (and Dalton) focussed on rugby, their form fell off a cliff.
With Moods and Kez 'staying' it shows how desperate we are for some good news stories. We could've extended them for an extra year (like we did with Hill) but for some reason we didn't.
The 3 most recent signing for 2 years are all well and good, but personally i would've only given a 2 year deal to Guerin, with the other 2 still a work in progress IMO.
Hopefully we can snag some decent players soon, otherwise we'll be fighting for a spoon.
As if on queue....
CARLTON will bolster its list with Irish talent in the coming days, with the Blues set to announce the signings of Erone Fitzpatrick and Dayna Finn.
As reported by womens.afl earlier this month, Finn is an accomplished Gaelic footballer and basketballer and is currently studying on a sports scholarship at Trinity College in Dublin.
Fitzpatrick is a hard running goal scorer from Laois, who was integral to her side's All Ireland Intermediate Championship victory last year.
The pair will become just the second and third Irish players to be signed by Carlton, following Joanne Doonan's time on the list in 2020.
https://www.womens.afl/news/118772/got-the-blues-mcevoy-s-exit-cuts-deep-amid-carlton-turmoil
IN 2020, Carlton's AFLW side qualified for a preliminary final, and were a decent chance of knocking off North Melbourne to earn a second straight Grand Final berth before the season was cancelled.
Three seasons on, just nine of the 30 players remain, while both the coach Daniel Harford and head of footy Brett Munro have been moved on after a wide-ranging external review.
Darcy Vescio, Gab Pound, Breann Moody and Nat Plane are the only inaugurals left from 2017, while Abbie McKay, Mua Laloifi, Kerryn Peterson, Brooke Walker and Serena Gibbs were also on the list in 2020.
This story is only 11 days old, and we've already lost 3 more players.
From our prelim side year of 2020, 6 from 30 are left thats only 20%
Throw in the coach and head of footy gone and i think you can officially say we are in crisis mode.
The AFL largely to blame for that with the poaching that has been allowed to go on with next to no compensation, but from our own internal review we've been asleep at the wheel too.
I think Half was unlucky to go, but i reckon he's thankful he did because we are in for a world of pain.
There are rumours Pound might be on the move as well.
This type of exodus is more than just a coach issue, this is a culture issue, things have started to rot.
There are rumours Pound might be on the move as well.
This type of exodus is more than just a coach issue, this is a culture issue, things have started to rot.
Started? Whatever it is has gone through the club quicker and done more damage than COVID.
As if on queue....
Says it all. We might sign players living in Ireland who play Gaelic. We will hit the bottom of the ladder and at this rate, struggle to rise for some time.
Started? Whatever it is has gone through the club quicker and done more damage than COVID.
ahem.
Covid and covid related issues may very well be the culprit.
This might be more about the regime change too which happened just prior.
Or it might have to do with anything else that we won't mention.
ahem.
Covid and covid related issues may very well be the culprit.
This might be more about the regime change too which happened just prior.
Or it might have to do with anything else that we won't mention.
Its because of Covid?? So Essendon and Richmond were unaffected by Covid by comparison?
Gee, Prespakis, Doonan, Walker all at Bombers.
S. Hosking, J. Hosking, Egan, C. Jones all at Tigers.
I predict more pain before we get some good news. Why the hell we haven't announced a head coach yet has me f***ed
Its because of Covid?? So Essendon and Richmond were unaffected by Covid by comparison?
Gee, Prespakis, Doonan, Walker all at Bombers.
S. Hosking, J. Hosking, Egan, C. Jones all at Tigers.
I predict more pain before we get some good news. Why the hell we haven't announced a head coach yet has me f***ed
relationships are funny like that kruddler.
Different people went theough a different experience. A challenge for our club (missing a grand final due to covid) i.e. the liam jones experience may be the difference.
Essendon didnt have a team and richmond were later than us.
Its because of Covid?? So Essendon and Richmond were unaffected by Covid by comparison?
Gee, Prespakis, Doonan, Walker all at Bombers.
S. Hosking, J. Hosking, Egan, C. Jones all at Tigers.
I predict more pain before we get some good news. Why the hell we haven't announced a head coach yet has me f***ed
Yes, it’s hard to see how COVID could have affected us and not any other AFLW teams 🙄
I suspect that we’re suffering from a combination of poor decision making by the club and even worse decision making by the AFL.
Getting a coach on board would be good start but perhaps we can’t find anyone willing to put their head on the block. A well run program would have had several potential coaches lined up before giving Harf the ask.
relationships are funny like that kruddler.
Different people went theough a different experience. A challenge for our club (missing a grand final due to covid) i.e. the liam jones experience may be the difference.
Essendon didnt have a team and richmond were later than us.
I'm well aware of who had teams and when. What I'm missing is your point.
If youve got something to say, come out with it, don't beat around the bush.
The players with the closest relationships are ones that are lea ing the club....hosking twins and Velcro (prespakis and gee)
I'll have a crack at it.
Surely there's no need to "beat around the bush" in this day and age and we should be able to discuss any or all issues that may impact on player movement.
I've no idea about some of the individual relationships but...
While we hear very little about same-sex relationships in the men's game though, (I'm sure there have been some) there seems to be a number of players in the women's competition involved in same sex relationships and those folks are quite happy to share that information.
That's a positive thing and probably demonstrates that there is a more accepting attitude amongst the women.
(Strange we still have to say that)
Not all partners are playing for the same team, some partners aren't even footballers but may have careers that have them moving around.
Is it a factor in some of the movements, especially in these early days of a full number of sides?
I'll have a crack at it.
Surely there's no need to "beat around the bush" in this day and age and we should be able to discuss any or all issues that may impact on player movement.
I've no idea about some of the individual relationships but...
While we hear very little about same-sex relationships in the men's game though, (I'm sure there have been some) there seems to be a number of players in the women's competition involved in same sex relationships and those folks are quite happy to share that information.
That's a positive thing and probably demonstrates that there is a more accepting attitude amongst the women.
(Strange we still have to say that)
Not all partners are playing for the same team, some partners aren't even footballers but may have careers that have them moving around.
Is it a factor in some of the movements, especially in these early days of a full number of sides?
There are plenty of players that have moved clubs (leaving us) and plenty of them are gay. Plenty of them have partners already and some of them are playing at a rival club.
I'm yet to see someone move (from our club) to be with their partner elsewhere.
Look at Bri Davey as an example. She was (and may still be with) Tilly Lucas Rodd.
We were supposedly not going to renew Tillys contract and Bri Davey got the $hits up and left. There were other issues with her being promised a car she never got etc, but that was part of it.
Did they go to the same club? No.
Tilly has left clubs again since then.
Did she go to the same club? No.
Its certainly not such a large factor and can actually complicate things.
Plenty of AFL players live with opposition players and manage to make it work, so no reason why AFLW players can't do the same.
IMO its a drop in the ocean in terms of whats actually going on at the club.
I read in the Age this morning that Melbourne has retained 28 of its 2022 premiership list including 20 of the 21 premiership players with Daisy Pearce's retirement their only change.
While you would expect players to be reluctant to leave a successful club, their player retention suggests that they must be doing a lot more right than winning premierships ... but that's to be expected.
It does show that the AFL's recruitment rules for expansion clubs will help to keep the stronger clubs strong and the weaker clubs weak. All established clubs should have been required to offer up players to the expansion clubs; three each from the top four, two from the next four, and one from the also-rans.
Its official ....
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1284026
THE CARLTON Football Club have made another two new additions during AFLW Sign and Trade period, securing Irish duo Dayna Finn and Erone Fitzpatrick.
Its official ....
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1284026
I hope they’ve been practising with the Sherrin … they could both get a game in the first round.
I hope they’ve been practising with the Sherrin … they could both get a game in the first round.
We might not win any football games, but i reckon our football team is good enough to beat some countries at basketball!
I'm well aware of who had teams and when. What I'm missing is your point.
If youve got something to say, come out with it, don't beat around the bush.
The players with the closest relationships are ones that are lea ing the club....hosking twins and Velcro (prespakis and gee)
I didn't think I was being vague so ill spell it out for you.
When I say relationships, I meant team unity. If you have a different camp of individuals due to personalities it involves them putting aside and pulling in the same direction.
Then covid strikes. Ive seen friendships and families divide over the covid response and using our forum as a litmus test you can clearly see how relationships and team dynamics could go south in that equation.
We won't be the only team that suffered with that, but maybe our AFLW team particularly having lost the opportunity at a grand final was full of types that were more likely to fall out.
Hence why you see a mass exodus.
Not sure what everyone else was inferring but the sexual relationships wasn't what I was referring to. If anything Darcy's gender neutral stance may have caused some rigorous debate, but I can't really say if that caused any friction.
To Thrys point, I have been told our AFLW team has always been made up of little Cliques, the girls are allegedly very and are its a far from united environment. Some of our players have extremely inflated opinions of themselves.
I literally know people who have stopped talking over issues related to covid. Friends whom had differing opinions and strong personalities became estranged from each other and no longer talk anymore.
Its a shame but its human nature, and understandable when contentious issues arise.
I didn't mention it, but the treatment of Taylah Harris may have also caused some grief too. You would have to have a chat with each of the girls individually but losing the hosking twins was eye opening when it occurred. Theyre the sort of teamates you want. Solid but unspectacular team players. Some of those players are the glue holding things together.
I didn't mention it, but the treatment of Taylah Harris may have also caused some grief too. You would have to have a chat with each of the girls individually but losing the hosking twins was eye opening when it occurred. Theyre the sort of teamates you want. Solid but unspectacular team players. Some of those players are the glue holding things together.
Tayla Harris caused friction herself when she put herself above the team.
Yes, it may have pissed some off with how she was treated, but it would've won some friends as well.
Yes, there are cliques in the club. There are in every team.
If anything you see the cliques moving (hoskings, velcro).
Darcy was able to get former teammates recruited to the club with Odea and Dal Pos.
Kez managed to get Jess Good across from basketball after years of trying.
Does that explain players leaving? I don't think so.
Did peoples stance on covid make people leave? Possible, but far from #1 reason imo.
By our own admissions, the club has not put enough time, effort and energy into the AFLW program. That makes me think the problems are much bigger than one (or more) persons stance on covid....and a strong club could certainly put out that fire if/when it arose.
I literally know people who have stopped talking over issues related to covid. Friends whom had differing opinions and strong personalities became estranged from each other and no longer talk anymore.
Its a shame but its human nature, and understandable when contentious issues arise.
I didn't mention it, but the treatment of Taylah Harris may have also caused some grief too. You would have to have a chat with each of the girls individually but losing the hosking twins was eye opening when it occurred. Theyre the sort of teamates you want. Solid but unspectacular team players. Some of those players are the glue holding things together.
Harris was a flog from all reports.
Harris was a flog from all reports.
Harris was put on the pedestal by the sport and the media long before she was capable of dealing with the attention and the focus, it's quite common for elite athletes to be a little bit self-absorbed, to succeed they have to believe, they have to be a little selfish, but the trick is to manage the on field belief with the off-field existence.
fwiw; This is also the except wrong path that Sheedy led the likes of Hird, Lloyd and other protégés, he made them self-absorbed so they would succeed on field, but they became flogs off it!
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1287359/dv3-staying-in-the-navy-blue
Good on you Darcy ;) ;D
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1287359/dv3-staying-in-the-navy-blue
Good on you Darcy ;) ;D
And that is a genuine contract extension :)
And that is a genuine contract extension :)
It is, kinda.
Darcy wasn't contracted, so signing on is good, not exactly an extension.
It says signing for 2 years, but the background text on the pick just says 2023 season. Which is the same as Moods and Kez. For hill it said 2024 season.
So i'm not sure what is going on there, but am skeptical given the other little white lies the club has been telling.
It is, kinda.
Darcy wasn't contracted, so signing on is good, not exactly an extension.
It says signing for 2 years, but the background text on the pick just says 2023 season. Which is the same as Moods and Kez. For hill it said 2024 season.
So i'm not sure what is going on there, but am skeptical given the other little white lies the club has been telling.
Lloyd says Darcy will “remain with the Club for a further two years,” and that must mean 2023 and 2024.
It looks like it's as it says....two years, until the end of 2024
https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/aflw/darcy-vescio-signs-new-twoyear-contract-to-remain-at-carlton/news-story/325644db9916676d508230653fa21952
Carlton has secured the signature of star forward Darcy Vescio for another two years in a major relief for fans following the departures of important senior players.
The first to reach 50 goals in AFLW history and the competition’s second all-time leading goalkicker, Vescio inked a new deal to remain at Carlton until the end of 2024.
It seems that other clubs have gone pretty hard at our girls but we have retained 22 players from last season (possibly 23 depending on Elise O'Dea). Three players were delisted, and we've lost four players to other clubs. That's not good but I don't think that's as bad as it could have been.
With Cordner, Read, Finn and Fitzpatrick joining, we can add 3 or 4 delisted free agents or mature recruits in the supplementary draft.
Hopefully, there will be some talent available.
All we need now is a coach ::)
It seems that other clubs have gone pretty hard at our girls but we have retained 22 players from last season (possibly 23 depending on Elise O'Dea). Three players were delisted, and we've lost four players to other clubs. That's not good but I don't think that's as bad as it could have been.
With Cordner, Read, Finn and Fitzpatrick joining, we can add 3 or 4 delisted free agents or mature recruits in the supplementary draft.
Hopefully, there will be some talent available.
All we need now is a coach ::)
Of the 15 most recent signings (all announced at once) I had 7 of them already had contracts. Add in Kez and Moods who did the same and thats 9 're-signings' that were announced that were already contracted.
Look at who we lost - McEvoy, Walker, Plane and Gibbs
and the players we got - Cornder, Read and the 2 rookie irish lasses Finn and Fitzpatrick
and its clear we are worse off talent wise.....and we weren't coming from a strong base last year.
Hopefully there is a bumper crop of draftees coming through!
Its official O'Dea is retiring.
Its official O'Dea is retiring.
I suspected as much since the deadline for this stage of list lodgement had passed.
Elise was a strong body around the ground and I think we’ll miss her presence. However, it seemed that time had caught up with her and she was struggling to match it with the youngsters.
She can be proud of her footy career and her too short time in navy blue.
AFLW Draft has been run (and won?) and here are the 4 girls we picked up
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1299850/four-new-blues-join-a-new-era
Lulu Beatty is an 18-year-old defender who currently plays for the VFLW Blues, having previously plied her trade at the Darebin Falcons.
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Hendrie is a key position tall who has featured for the Allies, the Sydney Swans Academy and most recently the Western Bulldogs’ VFLW team, the 19-year-old displays strong overhead marking ability, allowing her to shine in a number of positions.
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A mature-age signing, [Marianna] Anthony will add to the Blues’ running capacity and add some experience to a youthful outfit, having honed her craft in the VFLW competition for the Bombers in recent seasons.
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[Chloe Wrigley] A 50-game player for the Peel Thunder since her debut back in 2019, the inside midfielder was drafted by Carlton with pick No.28 in the 2023 AFLW Supplementary Draft.
Don't know much about them apart from what was written there but we drafted...
- A defender
- A ruck/forward
- A runner
- An inside mid.
Seems we got one of everything so should help fill some holes......we have a list resembling swiss cheese at the moment, so its not hard.
Good luck to the girls.
Good news with both Keeleys signed up until 2027! They are the biggest contracts we've ever given. Previous biggest allowed was only 2 year, thats 4.
Good to see we can finally start to get some long term consistency, stability and can hopefully start building a team that doesn't get poached every year.
Both Keeley's had superb seasons.
Looking forward to stability for the squad. It's been like a revolving door for too long.
Congratulations to Keeley and Keeley.
Gab Pound signed up for 3 more. One of the few OG's left.
Gab Pound signed up for 3 more. One of the few OG's left.
Well-deserved! Gab had a great season … even if I’m still a little confused by the squid fishing expedition with Jordan Boyd 🤔
3 girls delisted today.
Daisy Walker
Imogen Milford
Chloe Wrigley
Wrigley never got a gig.
Milford was a tall who has been replaced (and will continue to be with Celine Moody coming across)
Walker appears to be a bit stiff after 31 games, but may not have a true position anymore after being moved out of the backline.....and has some poor disposal too.
3 girls delisted today.
Daisy Walker
Imogen Milford
Chloe Wrigley
Wrigley never got a gig.
Milford was a tall who has been replaced (and will continue to be with Celine Moody coming across)
Walker appears to be a bit stiff after 31 games, but may not have a true position anymore after being moved out of the backline.....and has some poor disposal too.
No surprises there.
Daisy's kicking really wasn't anywhere near as good as it should be at that level and I imagine that she wasn't able to correct it.
Fantastic news with Brea Moody signing on until end of 2027.
Starting to lock down our future.
2027
Moody
Skepper
Sherar
2026
Pound
McKay
From all of that, these are the next 2 i'd want to lock in long term, then i think we've got something to work with.
Hill (2024)
Peterson (2023)
1. Amelia Velardo (2025)
9. Kerryn Peterson (nee Harrington) (2025)
12. Jess Good (2026)
19. Erone Fitzpatrick (2026)
22. Mia Austin (2026)
24. Brooke Vickers (2025)
49. Madeline Hendrie (2025)
Some more signings (extensions) announced today (and Kez yesterday)
Remaining girls signed on today and we have finalised our list. No further delistings now.
Mimi Hill extends until 2027, which is huge for us.
Mimi Hill extends until 2027, which is huge for us.
It's great to lock Mimi away but it's also part of a trend towards longer deals for the AFLW girls. Good to see us taking advantage of the move to multi-year contracts.
It's great to lock Mimi away but it's also part of a trend towards longer deals for the AFLW girls. Good to see us taking advantage of the move to multi-year contracts.
Its been a long time coming. Up til the last 12 months or so, you could only give 1 and 2 year contracts.
Which is why we've had the eyes picked out of our list and mass exodus of talent playing elsewhere......well, its not the only reason, but it could've been avoided with longer contracts.
Hill, Skepper, Moody, Sherar....all locked in until 2027. Thats a midfield you can build around.
Now to work out the rest.