Bali 9 thoughts

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Re: Bali 9 thoughts

Reply #105 – March 06, 2015, 09:46:27 am

Quote from: Lods on March 05, 2015, 05:00:28 pm

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on March 05, 2015, 04:18:03 pm
Oh dear God.

They've turned it into a circus
It's all about the show now.

It's obscene and I think some people that were nonplussed about what's happening, will have a look at this revolting display of the Indo's and start to think very negatively about them indeed.

The Indo's might be enjoying the spectacle but I honestly can't see how anyone can continue cheering this one - if they are fair dinkum about cracking down on drugs they would stop accepting bribes from the big guys that get caught and pay their way out of it.

Re: Bali 9 thoughts

Reply #106 – March 07, 2015, 07:21:34 am

Indonesia is setting itself up to become a global pariah. And that will impact on it economically in many respects. Already folks are putting a line through Bali/Indonesia as a holiday destination.

I still find it incredible that one of the key figures in the murder of over 200 people (Bali bombing) walks from prison after 20 months.

Re: Bali 9 thoughts

Reply #107 – March 07, 2015, 09:09:30 am

My wife flatly has refused to travel to Asia in general because it doesn't sit well with her, but was happy to travel to Fiji during a military coup.

That's a perfect example right there.

Re: Bali 9 thoughts

Reply #108 – March 07, 2015, 09:45:23 am

My wife and I put a line through those Asian countries a long time ago because of what goes on there. They're basically out to get Australians any way they can. Blokes will offer you all sorts of stuff along the street and they're trying to set you up to get busted. That's the mentality over there. Pass.

Re: Bali 9 thoughts

Reply #109 – March 07, 2015, 12:14:27 pm

I have never been to Indonesia and I have no plans to ever to go there. Went to Penang (Georgetown) a couple of years ago and enjoyed that - very non-tourist.

Re: Bali 9 thoughts

Reply #110 – March 07, 2015, 03:36:06 pm

It will be interesting to see how much the Oz Govt gives up to help Abbott get a rise in the polls.

Right now I suspect the Indonesians are extending this because it makes it look like we have some influence over their decisions.

Probably end up letting them murder a couple of hundred West Papuans for a political victory at home.

Re: Bali 9 thoughts

Reply #111 – March 07, 2015, 04:02:22 pm

The way the Indonesians are playing it now I don't think anyone can pick what they'll do.

They've got everyone's attention

and with all that attention it wouldn't surprise me if they didn't have a last minute change of heart.

On the other hand they're just as likely to suddenly bring it on.

Re: Bali 9 thoughts

Reply #112 – March 07, 2015, 04:07:21 pm

They may have put a deal to the Aus government, probably one heavily favouring themselves, possibly involving assylum seekers??

Re: Bali 9 thoughts

Reply #113 – March 07, 2015, 04:16:03 pm

Quote from: cookie2 on March 07, 2015, 04:07:21 pm

They may have put a deal to the Aus government, probably one heavily favouring themselves, possibly involving assylum seekers??

Asylum seekers.
Fishing rights.
Oil and Gas rights
Live Cattle
Other farming
Tax Breaks
Military aid

The list of possibilities is endless.

The problem for us is, no matter how noble the cause, the Indonesians are holding all the cards.

They have a popular new leader, they have a well known position on drug smugglers and they have the guys.

We have a very unpopular leader fighting for his political life and no power so we have to try inducements.

If these guys are released Tony will have sold all our arses in one way or the other so he can keep his job.

Re: Bali 9 thoughts

Reply #114 – March 07, 2015, 04:53:28 pm

The problem is though that it's not just the two Australians.
There are a number of citizen's of other countries involved.

That probably counts against a deal of some type.
They can hardly go easy on one group and not the other.

Having said that... Who knows just what the current thinking is at the higher levels

http://www.9news.com.au/world/2015/03/07/15/32/indonesian-president-open-to-abolishing-the-death-penalty

Re: Bali 9 thoughts

Reply #115 – March 07, 2015, 09:22:10 pm

Quote from: cookie2 on March 07, 2015, 04:07:21 pm

They may have put a deal to the Aus government, probably one heavily favouring themselves, possibly involving assylum seekers??

I reckon they are hanging out for a better deal than just the prisoner swap that was offered.......they must want something big in return and
know Aus have offered their lowest price first. Wodo has do a big deal though because he cant lose face with the Indo public and appear weak.
While I am not supportive of the Bali 9 duo its not right either that are being played as a pair of chess board pieces in a game of politics while
two at odds Governments try and score points against each other..

Re: Bali 9 thoughts

Reply #116 – March 08, 2015, 09:52:08 am

From the perspective of an old friend from the Clifton Hotel days Celia. She posted this on facebook this morning.

Fifteen years ago my brother died of a heroin overdose. His is not the only funeral I've been to of someone that has died at the hands of heroin. I've seen mothers crying, fathers pained, siblings distraught, friends speechless because the life of someone they love has been ripped away. Do I blame people like Myuran Sukumaran and Andrew Chan for these deaths? NO!!

Do the Sukumaran and Chan family have to go through this? Haven't they been through enough?

Andrew and Myuran made a desperate and stupid decision as did my bother and many others who wind up in the grip of heroin addiction. You don't just wake up one day and decide to smuggle drugs! A series of events has to take place in a persons life to lead them down a path of darkness.

These guys have turned their lives around and made a difference in the lives of others.They can't change their past and neither can you. Have you ever made a mistake?

You may not have done something as stupid as these guys but you also haven't lived the life that took them to the place where they made such a decision! If you are judging them, stop it!

I'm not saying people don't need consequences for their actions. It's the only way any of us learn! But COMPASSION for human beings in all facets of life is the only way. I stand for mercy. #istandformercy

Re: Bali 9 thoughts

Reply #117 – March 08, 2015, 10:41:26 am

Similar sentiments expressed in this Age article

http://www.theage.com.au/comment/bali-nine-execution-drug-death-victims-sister-says-you-dont-speak-for-me-20150219-13jmtw.html

Re: Bali 9 thoughts

Reply #118 – March 09, 2015, 12:58:32 am

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on March 08, 2015, 09:52:08 am

From the perspective of an old friend from the Clifton Hotel days Celia. She posted this on facebook this morning.

Fifteen years ago my brother died of a heroin overdose. His is not the only funeral I've been to of someone that has died at the hands of heroin. I've seen mothers crying, fathers pained, siblings distraught, friends speechless because the life of someone they love has been ripped away. Do I blame people like Myuran Sukumaran and Andrew Chan for these deaths? NO!!

Do the Sukumaran and Chan family have to go through this? Haven't they been through enough?

Andrew and Myuran made a desperate and stupid decision as did my bother and many others who wind up in the grip of heroin addiction. You don't just wake up one day and decide to smuggle drugs! A series of events has to take place in a persons life to lead them down a path of darkness.

These guys have turned their lives around and made a difference in the lives of others.They can't change their past and neither can you. Have you ever made a mistake?

You may not have done something as stupid as these guys but you also haven't lived the life that took them to the place where they made such a decision! If you are judging them, stop it!

I'm not saying people don't need consequences for their actions. It's the only way any of us learn! But COMPASSION for human beings in all facets of life is the only way. I stand for mercy. #istandformercy

Great post Carrots. Thanks for sharing.

Re: Bali 9 thoughts

Reply #119 – March 09, 2015, 05:34:58 am

Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on March 08, 2015, 09:52:08 am

From the perspective of an old friend from the Clifton Hotel days Celia. She posted this on facebook this morning.

Fifteen years ago my brother died of a heroin overdose. His is not the only funeral I've been to of someone that has died at the hands of heroin. I've seen mothers crying, fathers pained, siblings distraught, friends speechless because the life of someone they love has been ripped away. Do I blame people like Myuran Sukumaran and Andrew Chan for these deaths? NO!!

Do the Sukumaran and Chan family have to go through this? Haven't they been through enough?

Andrew and Myuran made a desperate and stupid decision as did my bother and many others who wind up in the grip of heroin addiction. You don't just wake up one day and decide to smuggle drugs! A series of events has to take place in a persons life to lead them down a path of darkness.

These guys have turned their lives around and made a difference in the lives of others.They can't change their past and neither can you. Have you ever made a mistake?

You may not have done something as stupid as these guys but you also haven't lived the life that took them to the place where they made such a decision! If you are judging them, stop it!

I'm not saying people don't need consequences for their actions. It's the only way any of us learn! But COMPASSION for human beings in all facets of life is the only way. I stand for mercy. #istandformercy

Really, really impressive.