We are supposed to play Hawthorn in Perth; the game has already been changed from Thursday to Friday, but with Tassie not allowing footy to be played, the fixture is again up in the air.
Play Cuningham as a leading forward? He did OK.
The game is at Optus Stadium in Perth at 17:40 Melbourne time.
It is officially a 'double header', with the other game (in Qld) on TV.
Truly we struggle to get on TV.
I probably won't see any of the gave 'live': I will be driving home to Bendigo about that time.
Doubts about McGovern and McKay for this match.
We need to be so much better than yesterday against Clarko's mob, his rat cunning (like it or not) usually goes up a notch when his back is hard up against the wall. He has a mate in the coaches box who also wouldn't mind knocking us off I'd guess. Teaguey and co, this will be a serious test not for this mobs form or ladder position, but because of who they are. This is another mob who has owned of late, our last 20 looks like this:
LWWLLLLLLLLLLLLLLWLL
Many will say the above is irrelavent. We shall see.
Any kind of win, pretty or ugly, will do against this mob.
Be another knuckle game from the 1st bounce given what Clarko watched vs Nth.. Hope we milk plenty of free's...
Watch Pittonet up all areas of his game next week, including his aggression!
I wonder if Sling Tackle Shaun gets rubbed out ?
I wonder if Sling Tackle Shaun gets rubbed out ?
I don't think he will because Clarko will say it's not fair plus he is a nice guy!
I don't think he will because Clarko will say it's not fair plus he is a nice guy!
Rubbish, repeat offender, he'll go.
Burgoyne cops a fine only. Poor decision IMO.
Burgoyne cops a fine only. Poor decision IMO.
Free Kick Hawthorn has started already.
Free Kick Hawthorn has started already.
Yes, I thought 1 week, given that he did the same thing in June. Slow learner I guess.
Doubts about McGovern and McKay for this match.
Reckon McKay will be ok but McGovern might be out. Surely Moore won't play either.
So, do we bring in SOS. Honey or go taller with De Koning?
Reckon McKay will be ok but McGovern might be out. Surely Moore won't play either.
So, do we bring in SOS. Honey or go taller with De Koning?
Russell has already ruled out SOS, due to his knee issue.
Reckon McKay will be ok but McGovern might be out. Surely Moore won't play either.
So, do we bring in SOS. Honey or go taller with De Koning?
Hawks are strong in the ruck and would know Pittonets game so I would be playing TDK to give them something else to think about.
Reckon Moore might get another game... wouldn't be my choice though.
Reckon McKay will be ok but McGovern might be out. Surely Moore won't play either.
So, do we bring in SOS. Honey or go taller with De Koning?
De Koning would be my choice.
Theres another option.
Macreadie or marchbank could come in to give us the ability to play one of Jones or Weitering forward too.
De Koning would be my choice.
Theres another option.
Macreadie or marchbank could come in to give us the ability to play one of Jones or Weitering forward too.
Marchbank is still week's away.....
Marchbank is still week's away.....
As usual.
Something tells me I can't see them bringing TDK in, unless I am mistaken, he hasnt been an emergency all year? Having said that, I personally would really like to see him have a crack. McGovern should miss, cant see how Harry will get up after a week off with a hamstring. Surely a tall needs to come in?
i say bring in some quick players the open space optus and to beat the hawks when there down for a change would really finish clarko year off.We owe them they always nailed us in those dark YEARS.
i say bring in some quick players the open space optus and to beat the hawks when there down for a change would really finish clarko year off.We owe them they always nailed us in those dark YEARS.
100% agree with that. Our F50 pressure has been abysmal. Let's throw in a few more quicks and see what happens
Something tells me I can't see them bringing TDK in, unless I am mistaken, he hasnt been an emergency all year? Having said that, I personally would really like to see him have a crack. McGovern should miss, cant see how Harry will get up after a week off with a hamstring. Surely a tall needs to come in?
It was suspected that Gov did a hamstring too.....So if Harry misses, surely Gov does too.
Moore will have to play, simply because we are so light on.
TDK could ALSO play if he's ready.
Ruck - Pittonet
CHF - Casboult
FF - TDK
backup ruck/3rd tall - Moore
Tom De Koning one of the best on ground in the reserves, rucked all day followed up when the ball hit the ground , hunted his opponent chases the ball and wandered down forward and kick 2 goals . Think he should come in. His best games in the twos by far have been games where he's rucked all day. Last time last season got 30 touches, lots of hitouts and a couple of goals when he was the only ruckman. Won't be the only ruck here but he's good to go. Reckon around the ground he'll be eventually dynamic.
TDK must come in based on what Moore didn't do on Saturday. Where's Harry at? Pretty clear that Teague is wedded to a taller attack strategy, but whorks have a tallish defence with Stratton MacEvoy Spud Sciliy (plays Tall) and Frost, so I guess it comes down to delivery.
Have a sneaking suspicion that the AFL has had a gutful of Clarkson potting umpires etc and we might actually get a fair run on Friday night.
The Hawks relative strength is their midfield - they are pretty poor in the big man department both forward and back and playing against the Swans [who are also very weak in the talls dept] was an interesting battle. Sicily is their only quality tall. Stratton is on his last legs and needs to be run around by his opponent.
They will be desperate for McKay to play as they have no match up for him. McEvoy will probably go to Cas. TDK for Moore is a no brainer as he gave us nothing and TDK has the athleticism that they will struggle with. It sets up well for him.
I would play Dow or Honey [for McGov] to give us more run and fresh legs to combat thier midfield strength Wingard / Worpel / Smith / Scully / Shiel etc. I would also be playing Fisher and giving either Murph or Simmo a spell for a week. I think his pace on the harder grounds after the Hawks slogged it out with the Swans in the wet could be a big advantage for us. I would love MCGovern to have to work his way back into the team because he doesn't work hard enough for me.
Hard to see a player having full confidence in a tight hammy when a 5hr flight is your recovery time post match.
Club saying Harry likely to return, McGovern will miss.
Club saying Harry likely to return, McGovern will miss.
Harry for Gov, TDK for Moore. TDK was nothing short of brilliant in the practice game. Whenever he's no.1 ruck he is really good, just never got the chance often. NB's last year as no.1 ruck he dominated hitouts, got 30 touches and kicked goals, Won't be no.1 ruck right now if selected but we need to be playing him now if he's showing form.
In the limited amount of time I have seen TDK he has been very impressive.
In the limited amount of time I have seen TDK he has been very impressive.
H for Moore and TDK for Brackets... hopefully.
H apparently good to go so it should be a no brainer, normally you'd like to not have a bloke come in for 1 week only, but realistically Moore is just too big a risk to assume he'll suddenly improve and be good.
TDK is somewhat like Brackets in that he's pretty quick and mobile, is highly competitive and will give the Dawks something to think about... bit of X factor.
Then you could replace Moore with a smaller, quicker dude? Fisher maybe but the mood of his summary from the Magoos coach is he probably needs another game or two with them before being match ready.
H for Moore and TDK for Brackets... hopefully.
H apparently good to go so it should be a no brainer, normally you'd like to not have a bloke come in for 1 week only, but realistically Moore is just too big a risk to assume he'll suddenly improve and be good.
TDK is somewhat like Brackets in that he's pretty quick and mobile, is highly competitive and will give the Dawks something to think about... bit of X factor.
Then you could replace Moore with a smaller, quicker dude? Fisher maybe but the mood of his summary from the Magoos coach is he probably needs another game or two with them before being match ready.
Maybe we "rested" McKay last week?
Isnt the fittest player on our list, and it could be with the truncated schedule and flight, we elected to give him a miss.
means hes touch and go, but probably more go than not.
Harry for Gov, TDK for Moore. TDK was nothing short of brilliant in the practice game. Whenever he's no.1 ruck he is really good, just never got the chance often. NB's last year as no.1 ruck he dominated hitouts, got 30 touches and kicked goals, Won't be no.1 ruck right now if selected but we need to be playing him now if he's showing form.
I'd like to see that thanks.
Team's in.
One change: A swap of Macs.
McKay for McGovern.
I'd rather see de Koning in for Moore, but ...
Harry in for the Gov, lets hope he is fit and can see out the game.
Hawks have four regulars back and look a much better team than last week. Ceglar and Bruest in particular are players
I'd rather not see playing so hope there are some late changes.
Not so confident , Hawks have copped some media spray this week and we need our lesser lights like Newnes, Kennedy, Cuningham to back up again.
Moore couldnt be any worse...or could he?....
This would be a good win if we can sneak over the line..
Moore gets another game?? Based on what? Terrible move.
Team's in.
One change: A swap of Macs.
McKay for McGovern.
Fair enuff. Moore gets another go, make a name for yourself son, aggression a plenty required this week.
How does Moore play ahead of De Koning?
Moore gets another game?? Based on what? Terrible move.
Newbies tend to get a 2nd chance if you win their initial game......hope he doesnt ruck for too long.🤦♂️
Much rather see TDK on the IC bench than Moore. Leaving Moore in the side could bite bum big time.
Moore gets another game?? Based on what? Terrible move.
Firstly we dont know what they do so what may seem bizarre to us is not to them. Secondly, I think Teague and his MC are renowned for giving fellas they believe in every chance, they dont select blokes and drop them straight away necessarily. As bad as he appeared last week, there is method in the madness for giving him another crack. I would also guess its a little more complicated this year without the reserves but I am sure they have put together appropriate KPIs (which we dont know about) that players need to meet. TDK perhaps hasnt hit those yet and coupled with team balance may mean he doesnt get a crack this week.
Why can’t Honey make an emergency spot?
I'm going to puck if I have to listen to another excuse from Clarkson about why his team is under preforming. Fair dinkum its like the hawks are the only team that are in a hub and everyone else is playing in their home state and home ground.
Without jinxing us I hope we tear them a new one because its about time that someone proves that they need to start rebuilding like most other teams have and to shut the F...up
Go Blues.............
I'd rather see de Koning in for Moore, but ...
TDK was promoted to an emergency spot.
I can't help but think that Harry is still touch and go and TDK will get a late callup to cover Harry.
Gee I want Carlton to win this game, more than any thus far.
TDK was promoted to an emergency spot.
I can't help but think that Harry is still touch and go and TDK will get a late callup to cover Harry.
Yep.
Id still rather put Macreadie in and play Jones up forward than play moore though.
Yep.
Id still rather put Macreadie in and play Jones up forward than play moore though.
Lateral thinking, 3 Leos... I like it. I've often wondered if Jones' experience of being down back for a while might not help his idea of how to be a dangerous tall forward, be a worthwhile experiment. Not sure if Macreadie has had enough 2s game time to be ready though.
Moore is miles off it. Especially in a game where we need to win. I'll be happy to be proven wrong. Pittonet will, I hope, be in for a good one ...
I'm never confident but this game really worries me as they have their backs well and truly to the wall which is dangerous!
Considering all the press on Clarkson and the fact he dropped 4 kids for 4 experienced players its obvious developing the list is not a focus this week and they will be going all out to get the 4 points no matter how ugly he makes this game. He will want to get the win at any cost
Teague and our leaders better not for a second underestimate these pr1cks - we will need to switched on from the very first bounce and will need to play better then we did last week to get over this mob.
Like Clarkson or not he is on his own as far as coaching greatness goes and as I always felt like he loves beating us - regardless where they are on the ladder, this game will tell us as much as any game this year just how much we have improved or how much we are still away.
I'm never confident but this game really worries me as they have their backs well and truly to the wall which is dangerous!
Considering all the press on Clarkson and the fact he dropped 4 kids for 4 experienced players its obvious developing the list is not a focus this week and they will be going all out to get the 4 points no matter how ugly he makes this game. He will want to get the win at any cost
Teague and our leaders better not for a second underestimate these pr1cks - we will need to switched on from the very first bounce and will need to play better then we did last week to get over this mob.
Like Clarkson or not he is on his own as far as coaching greatness goes and as I always felt like he loves beating us - regardless where they are on the ladder, this game will tell us as much as any game this year just how much we have improved or how much we are still away.
Clarkson hates us of that there is no doubt. All started back on the "Battle of Britain" game when he effectively ended Ian Aitken's career. Dirty dog then and still the same now IMO. I hate him.
Want to win this game so much that I've done something I've never done before. I put money on the Hawks to win. As I'm a born loser when it comes to the punt I'm pulling out all stops and MORE than happy to forego the $10 if that's what it takes. Please note $10 is a lot of money for a tight ar$e like me.
Clarkson hates us of that there is no doubt. All started back on the "Battle of Britain" game when he effectively ended Ian Aitken's career. Dirty dog then and still the same now IMO. I hate him.
Want to win this game so much that I've done something I've never done before. I put money on the Hawks to win. As I'm a born loser when it comes to the punt I'm pulling out all stops and MORE than happy to forego the $10 if that's what it takes. Please note $10 is a lot of money for a tight ar$e like me.
The attitude on display from the Dawks will give us a real insight into the mind of Clarkson and Bolton, I notice Bolton has become the defacto match day 2IC already. The tactics they use against certain players.
This will tell us as much about our players as it does one of our past coaches!
Keep you money Rocky, you having that bet makes no difference, it's not causal.
Does anyone know what McGuane is on about in The Hun, it's behind the paywall and a can't be buggered working around it today?
Moore is miles off it. Especially in a game where we need to win. I'll be happy to be proven wrong. Pittonet will, I hope, be in for a good one ...
Pitto will be like a rabid dog tonight, this I am certain of.
Pitto will be like a rabid dog tonight, this I am certain of.
Dawks have Big Boy McEvoy back in the ruck tonight, he has been playing CHB for a few weeks, I suspect they think he's got Pittonet covered in the ruck.
Makes for interesting viewing, and will also tell us something about Pittonet as a long term prospect.
Does anyone know what McGuane is on about in The Hun, it's behind the paywall and a can't be buggered working around it today?
HS Article bits related to Hawks and Carlton
What’s Hawthorn’s DNA?
It‘s the first time I’ve asked that question in Alastair Clarkson’s incredibly successful 16 seasons in the coach’s chair.
I’m convinced Clarko should be the club’s long-term leader.
He has two more seasons of his contract left and he’s a genius, so I’d back him to turn around what looks like the biggest challenge of his career.
In saying that, the four-time premiership coach must rediscover one of the pillars that made the Hawks what they once were – a skilful kicking team
Historically, the Hawks have been a good contest/pressure team, able to generate high turnovers. Importantly, they also had the foot skills and a touch of class to score from those turnovers.
That polish is gone now.
The 2020 Hawks are still creating turnovers.
Collectively, matches involving Hawthorn this year rank No. 1 for turnovers, so their defensive structure remains strong.
But they aren’t capitalising on those turnovers.
They rank 17th for scores against, and 16th for points scored from turnover differential.
The Hawks’ kicking efficiency against the Swans last week was 43.8%, with their 2020 tally sitting at just under 60% – the worst in the AFL.
As a result, they had THREE marks in the last quarter last week – an embarrassing figure, even allowing for the wet conditions.
In their dominant 2013-2015 seasons, the Hawks averaged 86 uncontested marks per game. That’s now down to 57.8. Even allowing for this shortened version of the game, that’s a huge drop off in ball security.
They used to cut and slice through defences. Now they give the ball back.
Is it because of the exodus of good ball users Sam Mitchell, Luke Hodge, Jordan Lewis and Grant Birchall? Or just a lack of decision-making and polish in the current side?
Or maybe a combination of the both?
KEEP THE SIX FORWARDS AT HOMEPlaying in Perth, the Hawks must provide slicker ball movement, show more dare coming out of defence and take more risks through the corridor.
In offence, ‘Release the shackles,’ Clarko.
The Hawks must expose the Blues’ inability to defend opposition ball movement out of their own forward half.
Making the ground big is a priority. At times, players must run selflessly to open up space for others to be usable options, either to receive long or short 45 degree kicks in far more damaging areas on the ground. Winning uncontested marks close to the boundary must be a last resort.
Putting speed on the ball will complement the back-leading space of forwards Jack Gunston, Luke Breust and Chad Wingard. They are craving for quick entries.
Clarko must keep his six forwards at home so the likes of Sam Docherty and Kade Simpson are kept honest.
Kicking to an outnumbered forward line would play into Carlton’s hands.
As much as Clarko would like an extra around or behind the ball, it’s too dangerous against the Blues’ defence – even more so when the Hawks are struggling to score.
Let Gunston, Wingard and Breust operate in one-v-one situations and not competing against an extra defender.
JEKYLL AND HYDE BLUES
Carlton’s strength is its front-half game, with a strong scoring profile and the fifth-highest time in forward half differential this season.
That’s the good … and that’s a reason why they are in top 8 discussions.
Now, for the bad …
The Blues have conceded 28.8 points per game to opposition defensive half chains – 18th in the AFL.
The inability to defend opposition ball movement means they have allowed their opposition to generate an inside 50 from 41 per cent of their defensive-midfield chains, ranked 16th.
That’s why North Melbourne remained in the game last week longer than it should have.
David Teague also needs to be mindful of what is going on with his mids.
The Blues’ midfield depth has been impressive. But one aspect diminishes part of their good work.
Opposition midfielders are hitting the scoreboard too frequently against the Blues.
An increase in accountability must be a priority as the Blues have conceded 33 goals this year to opposition mids, mid-forwards and wingmen – the most of any side.
Clarko will look to use his most offensive weapons around the footy, not just to curtail Patrick Cripps, but to work off him, Marc Murphy and Will Setterfield when attacking.
The Blues must be wary of this. If Shiels, Jaeger O’Meara, Isaac Smith or Tom Scully hit the scoreboard, it could be disastrous for Teague and his men.
HS Article bits related to Hawks and Carlton
He is on the money, we've been woeful this season when the opposition get the footy, we are much better at keeping it than we use to be, but getting it back we've been quite poor outside of opposition making stupid mistakes.
My big worry tonight is the Dawks have gone the small mobile F50 against our over-sized lumbering defence. If Teague doesn't allow our guys to intercept mark it could get very ugly. We need a stack of pressure coming from our small forwards to force long panicked kicks into the Dawks F50, it won't come from Casboult, McKay or Moore.
So expect some ugly ugly "body spoils" from the likes of Wingard, Burgoyne and Shiels, maybe even some tunnelling!
He is on the money, we've been woeful this season when the opposition get the footy, we are much better at keeping it than we use to be, but getting it back we've been quite poor outside of opposition making stupid mistakes.
My big worry tonight is the Dawks have gone the small mobile F50 against our over-sized lumbering defence. If Teague doesn't allow our guys to intercept mark it could get very ugly. We need a stack of pressure coming form our small forwards to force long panicked kicks into the Dawks F50. So expect some ugly ugly "body spoils" from the likes of Wingard, Burgoyne and Shiels.
It aint gonna be a shoot out I wouldnt have thought. Some of there players have dined out on us in the past, thats what we need to stop, Gunston, Breust, Impey, Wingard (PA days), Mitchell to name a few. BB will have plenty of intel on our blokes, gonna be interesting.
From the write up it sounds as though we are allowing scores from turnovers, and the Hawks are the worst at generating it.
Therefore, it will be at worst a contest that we should be in.
1. The Hawks will be spitting fire. They've been under the blowtorch for a while now and will be targeting us a circuit breaker, which in the past has resulted in us getting a first rate flogging. Expect a gritty, congested game, and I think they'll have a got at trying to slice us open when they get a chance, even if that's not how they usually play.
2. Moore was shizen last week, but I disagree with picking a bloke for 1 game and then dropping him, so he gets another go to show us what he's got. We'll have a better idea about him in a few hours.
3. Can't wait to see TDK in the seniors again, but Moore gets one more chance.
4. I like that Fisher can't bust his way back in yet. I think selection pressure might finally be in our favour, and I think it will be a reason we get the choccies. There's blokes queueing up for a spot, longer than the lines for covid testing. This fear of being easily replaced will be the reason we win. Just...
5. I barracked for Freo when they played the Hawks in granny a few years back. I hate the Hawks. Go Blues.
From the write up it sounds as though we are allowing scores from turnovers, and the Hawks are the worst at generating it.
Therefore, it will be at worst a contest that we should be in.
Our mids dont pick up their men, you cant blame our backs when our mids have allowed the opposing mids more goals than any other team. Its been a problem for years that we just dont man up opponents and let chain goals happen.
One positive is that if BB is the 2IC and involved in match day moves and tactics we should have fewer problems as his tactical nous and ability to think through strategy and get matchups right under pressure wasnt great.
Mitchell and Omeara need tagging and both Bruest and Wingard need defensive stoppers not kick chasing backman who wont stick close..
totally agree with elwood our mids dont run hard enough no team defence look at pies (steele .pendles,adams.trelor)all get back in defence and help . Few years ago terry wallace called us downhill skiers and i agree . This is a reason why oppostion forward line is always open with space .To way running is wats needed
From the write up it sounds as though we are allowing scores from turnovers, and the Hawks are the worst at generating it.
Therefore, it will be at worst a contest that we should be in.
I read it as the Hawks are number 1 for forcing turnovers, they just don't capitalize.
Moore was shizen last week, but I disagree with picking a bloke for 1 game and then dropping him, so he gets another go to show us what he's got. We'll have a better idea about him in a few hours.
In reality, Moore is replacing McGovern, whereas last week he replaced H. I think he will be a lot more physical than McGovern and if he has any sense of wanting to impact a game, tonight is it. I would think that he would have been embarrassed to be thrust into the winner's circle for his first game victory last week, when his contribution was zippo.
I agree with Tragic, I think we will find out a lot about Moore tonight, a hellva lot more than if we had dropped him.
It is odds on that they will target someone tonight. Just not sure who..............
If it's close, I fear they are more experienced at either pinching it or icing it.
We need to get a good start, like we have the last few weeks. If there is a largish gap at qtr time I will be concerned. I want to win this game more than any, just because of the opposition. Win this one and it writes a piece about our future history. When you look back in time, you'll find a game that was the real turning point, like the Lions in 2001 when we humped them at PP by 12 odd goals early in the season, they went onto win every game after that including the first of 3 flags. We need that game, who better than to do it against than the recent Kings of the Jungle. We need a win and we need to do it in an intimidatory manner (to the masters of intimidation).
Dare to dream
It is odds on that they will target someone tonight. Just not sure who..............
We should send someone up into their box to smack Clarko on the snozz for starters. 👹😁
We should send someone up into their box to smack Clarko on the snozz for starters. 👹😁
Setterfield is a young inexperienced guy who’s had a lot of press this week. Clarko fodder......we need to stick together.
Setter field