One good quarter and a lot of hard work later! Blues by7.
I wonder how this didn't get done last night? Matter not. The thread is ready and we won. it will do!
Next step in our development............when we play crap sides play to OUR standard, not theirs!!!
Classic "take the 4pts and move on" performance.
Next step in our development............when we play crap sides play to OUR standard, not theirs!!!
Classic "take the 4pts and move on" performance.
Thats it.
It was closer than it should've been, but at the end of the day, we won.....and were in the lead for the entire match.
We lost Harry before the game, mitch during and had Moore in their place. Couldn't get the ball to what key forwards we had left.
Cripps is shadow of himself.
Yet.....we won!
On to next week.
As someone else said, got out of jail. I was worried about this game, not many positives other than the 4 points. Move on.
We led from siren to siren.
Not exactly getting out of jail. A few people need to have a bit more faith in Carlton of 2020. I know we've all been beaten into submission over the previous 2 decades....but the tide is turning.
I prefer a crap win like that to an honorable loss. It's much better for belief.
Most of the time we play garbage we get embarrassed miserably. At least this time we actually won.
That 10-9 under Teague now.
As a targeted player, Cripps has 1 free to him and 5 against. 😗
Luckily our last Q was as good as the first and we escape. Played 2 short with McGovern finished and Moore 'Darcy Langed'. They should both miss next week. Time for many beers and a lie down.
North have been our Achilles heel for some time. No longer.
A great start, then doing just enough for the rest. Skills declined well before the rain. Credited to North for maintaining the pressure.
But fair dinkum the umps effort to push them over the line in q4 was astounding. Jack's miss didn't help either, that buffer would have allowed us to enjoy the last q a little more.
I think our fwd structure suffered immensely with the loss of H, then McGovern.
A win nonetheless. I'll take that any day.
Congratulations to Doc 💪👏. Glad he's celebrating with a W
So many people here like to pot Plowman and Newnes and they both make simple errors at times but I thought they earned their stripes today. On the other hand Williamson flies under to criticism radar. Quite a few turn overs and a number of chaos situations that he didn’t handle well.
As a targeted player, Cripps has 1 free to him and 5 against. 😗
The umpiring was astounding, especially in the last.
So pleased we shook the hoodoo👹 they've had over us for so long. Sweet 😋
Congratulations to Doc 💪👏. Glad he's celebrating with a W
Yep, kudos to Doc. Raise the bat.
....and for gods sake pick a colourful boot. He is the only player out on the ground with black boots! :-*
Whether you agree with them or not, the best players on the AFL website have a refreshing look to them.
Carlton: Kennedy, Murphy, Setterfield, Martin, Walsh, Pittonet
Whether you agree with them or not, the best players on the AFL website have a refreshing look to them.
Carlton: Kennedy, Murphy, Setterfield, Martin, Walsh, Pittonet
I wouldn't have put Murphy in there....which makes it even better to look at.
I wouldn't have put Murphy in there....which makes it even better to look at.
Agree Krudd. I'd go so far as to say his worst game for the year. Still better than maybe 6-7 others on the park. Our expectations for him have already soared.
We are obviously lousy judges, The Age has him our best!!!!
Yep, kudos to Doc. Raise the bat.
....and for gods sake pick a colourful boot. He is the only player out on the ground with black boots! :-*
Black boots are reflective of Doc's footy ethos.
Keep it simple and suitable
Play for the right reasons
No frills, just hard work
Cheers to Doc 🍻🥂
Feel very fortunate the club has such an authentic, committed, skillful leader. Black boots and all 👌
I am perversely enjoying feeling dead flat after a win.....lol.
Forgotten what that is like...haha.
Give 22 yo Setterfield another 3-4 kg of muscle and add to his 28 games, and I think we have a genuine player. Just needs experience and a bit more strength.
We probably should have won by 3-5 goals, but conditions and player losses and inaccurate kicking cost us.
Won ugly, good sign.
Pitto was terrific in the last.
Cuningham did the cameo thing again, only this time his sublime skills in the wet were cameos that could well have been the difference.
Newnes confuses me. Liability in close and under pressure, yet chips in for invaluable opportunistic goals that are full of skill. Paradox.
Kennedy, Setterfield and Williamson coming along nicely.
Plowman, Simmo, Weitering... rocks.
Ed, Walsh, Martin... so important.
What's up with Crippa? Saw him take backward steps when confronted by the kid Smith against the Dishlickers, did it again last week when confronted... Crippa, when blokes push you in the chest, hold your ground and never step backward. Get in touch with your inner 'mongrel'. And please don't catch the Murphy disease of playing for frees.
Moore about as useful as an ashtray on a motor bike.
Brackets (inj) and Moore probably out for next week. H or TDK for Moore? Fisher for Brackets (depending on weather and matchups against the Dawks.)
65 point turnaround v NM
Woohoo 🥳
That's progress right there to shake our psychological demons and come away with a win
I read (?? Source ?? accuracy) that we have 100% W rate when we kick the first goal.
If true, that's a fun fact for the day 😉
How many chances does SPS deserve? And with that start, I'll take zero comfort from the win.
Pittonet was my BOG, you judge players on who they are playing on and Goldstein was the top rated player in the comp coming into the game. Murphy was ordinary IMO and nearly lost us the game, that marking contest with Polec was soft and if not for that dopey Pittard pushing Murphy over we would have been headed.
Cripps needs to mongrel up and stop being pushed around by hacks like Smith and Anderson........doesnt need Pittonet stepping in to help him out, he should have decked Anderson report or not.
Kudos to the following..Newnes, Plowman, Cuningham and Kennedy...a few whipping boys in that group who stood up when a few more other notables didnt.
Moore proved he is a long long way off....very raw......and why he was rucking baffles me....NFI and Nth took advantage with him on Goldy brief as it was.
re: McGovern..started well with a smart tap to Gibbons but went downhill from there but appears to be injured so we will cut him some slack and leave him out of any reviews.
Happy to take the 4 points and move on, we got lucky that Cunnington and Ziebell didnt play or we would have lost IMO but you take your opportunities when they present themselves and while we should have played better Nth dragged us down to their gutter level which sometimes happens and to hang on courtesy of some of our lesser lights is a good sign.
Hi Baggers :D
What's up with Crippa? Saw him take backward steps when confronted by the kid Smith against the Dishlickers, did it again last week when confronted... Crippa, when blokes push you in the chest, hold your ground and never step backward. Get in touch with your inner 'mongrel'.
Regards Crippa.
Agree, he's down a bit. Poor bugger though, when he flexed his muscles he got pinged today. Like the high fend off. Dusty does several throat crushes a week, including v Giants, and rarely pulled up. Go figure.
Anyway I hope Crippa's being well managed. The young brigade are certainly building nicely. Kennedy, Setters, Cunners, Walshy and of course Martin 💥 thanks to support from the older boys like Ed (super season so far) and Murph.
That's the most pleasing part for me, and there's more to come in.
We led from siren to siren.
Not exactly getting out of jail. A few people need to have a bit more faith in Carlton of 2020. I know we've all been beaten into submission over the previous 2 decades....but the tide is turning.
We were leading by 5 goals against their VFL team.
As a targeted player, Cripps has 1 free to him and 5 against. 😗
He gave a few away trying to play angry. The studs in his abdomen was a disgrace by the ump
The Brisbane Blues supporters were out today in the bad weather and were very vocal. I am from Brisbane but enjoying the sun in Palm Cove (27 today). Just my luck that Blues now off to Perth. Talk in Cairns is that will be Collingwood V Carlton in Cairns. Hope they play at the Gabba in front of the Brisbane blues supporters again.
We were leading by 5 goals against their VFL team.
As I said I thought we got lucky in those conditions that Cunnington and Ziebell didnt play but I'll take the 4 points...it wasnt one leg in the air but a win is a win and vs Nth its been a dry spell...
So many people here like to pot Plowman and Newnes and they both make simple errors at times but I thought they earned their stripes today. On the other hand Williamson flies under to criticism radar. Quite a few turn overs and a number of chaos situations that he didn’t handle well.
Everyone knows I am a Willo fan, been terrible for 2-3 weeks now
He gave a few away trying to play angry. The studs in his abdomen was a disgrace by the ump
The Toby Greene rule only applies to one player......
Whether you agree with them or not, the best players on the AFL website have a refreshing look to them.
Carlton: Kennedy, Murphy, Setterfield, Martin, Walsh, Pittonet
Yep although Martin did some silly stuff, flying against our talls, giving away frees, very un Martin like
Cripps needs to mongrel up and stop being pushed around by hacks like Smith and Anderson........doesnt need Pittonet stepping in to help him out, he should have decked Anderson report or not.
Ummmm don’t know decking players and getting reported is a great solution. Maybe he needs to study Fyffe and Martin etc and see how they work off a tagger. AND those around him should let his tagger know that they are in for a hard day.
We are obviously lousy judges, The Age has him our best!!!!
Started slowly, was very good after qtr time
Give 22 yo Setterfield another 3-4 kg of muscle and add to his 28 games, and I think we have a genuine player. Just needs experience and a bit more strength.
10 tackles last week
De Koning must be pure mud if he's not getting a game ahead of Callum Moore!
How many chances does SPS deserve? And with that start, I'll take zero comfort from the win.
Grrrrrrrrr
Opponents are all over Cripps before he even gets close to the pill, if Cripps brushes against them he gets penalised.
FFS, Carlton Football Club, grows some balls and stand up for your captain, on and off the park!
The Toby Greene rule only applies to one player......
And one team is exempt from the rule 😕
That's 2 missed studs up in 2 weeks. Samo and now Crippa.
At least Crippa's is getting media attention. Hope the club seek clarification but not holding my breath
Shout out to Qld BlueBaggers at the game, well done on the huge voice and giving it to the over-officiating umpires... especially considering the conditions. 👏
De Koning must be pure mud if he's note getting a game ahead of Callum Moore!
There's a saying "He'll be better for the run" , I hope so but doubt it
I wonder how many other (than H) selected players are ordered by AFL to train in iso before a game?
His CV result arrived later than the rest of the cohort. Give me strength 😠 what's next?
Ummmm don’t know decking players and getting reported is a great solution. Maybe he needs to study Fyffe and Martin etc and see how they work off a tagger. AND those around him should let his tagger know that they are in for a hard day.
Couple of points.....we dont have the players to help Cripps when its gets tough and he is being set upon, only Pittonet and he has to attend to ruck duties while these snipers are doing their thing.
re: Dusty....you need to watch him more, eg like last night vs GWS....he punched a GWS players straight in the guts who was doing what Anderson did to Cripps.....dont see as much of Fyfe so I cant comment.
When you choose to walk a fine line like North did today, trying their best to bully us, sometimes you lose control and step over it at great cost.
That's what Pittard did today, when the time was right for some calm he pooped in his own bed and that basically lost Norp the game!
Couple of points.....we dont have the players to help Cripps when its gets tough and he is being set upon.
re: Dusty....you need to watch him more, eg like last night vs GWS....he punched a GWS players straight in the guts who was doing what Anderson did to Cripps.....dont see as much of Fyfe so I cant comment.
I said as much to my family watching the game today, Cripps plays too nice, if he is going to cop that crap from both opposition and umpires he may as well make them earn it! He was belted pillar to post today, and soon as he tackled or bumped someone they penalised him. Then he cops crap like the studs in the guts and nada!
I think it's time he needs to be a bit more Toby Greene, perhaps get some telephone coaching from Alex Silvagni about standing up for yourself!
It is funny really, last year I though Cripps best games came through frustration and anger, he seems to have completely lost that edge this season which makes me think he is carrying and injury.
Perhaps though this is all part of Teagues plan, it is certainly making Setterfield and Kennedy step up!
Couple of points.....we dont have the players to help Cripps when its gets tough and he is being set upon.
re: Dusty....you need to watch him more, eg like last night vs GWS....he punched a GWS players straight in the guts who was doing what Anderson did to Cripps.....dont see as much of Fyfe so I cant comment.
They all do it EB, just got to be clever about when. Dusty has a few years on Crippa coping with taggers. If we can win and Crippa is doing SFA (by his lofty standards), Ill take it.
Everyone knows I am a Willo fan, been terrible for 2-3 weeks now
Yep..have to agree, one of my fav players but this isnt the old Willo, he looks thinner, not as quick and doesnt have the awareness
like when he first played. Maybe a role on a wing where he can build confidence and ball handling errors are not as vital.
Down back he has leaked goals and is a bit of a liability....Newman if fit would probably have his spot.
Yep..have to agree, one of my fav players but this isnt the old Willo, he looks thinner, not as quick and doesnt have the awareness
like when he first played. Maybe a role on a wing where he can build confidence and ball handling errors are not as vital.
Down back he has leaked goals and is a bit of a liability....Newman if fit would probably have his spot.
Ignoring Simmo they are still quite a young backline, Plowman is probably 2IC, so I understand they make some rookie mistakes.
Some Willo criticism is unwarranted, twice in two weeks he dished off to blokes calling for the footy, when they shouldn't have called for the footy, and once he's been given the footy to his surprise when he was just running through to draw a defender away. Walsh who has been OK was two out of three in those incidents, but he escaped media and fan heat because he had a good game.
I agree Willo looks lighter/leaner, doesn't mean he lost strength, perhaps it's deliberate part of getting his back sorted. He still looks like a player worth persisting with.
Is it a mistake to play him so deep in defence? To me he has always looked most dangerous forward of center.
De Koning must be pure mud if he's not getting a game ahead of Callum Moore!
That's the issue, he's not. You were either going with De Koning or a smaller type like Honey in the wet.
Suppose, on the bright side, we found that Moore was crap in a game that we won.
AFL Website headline:
“ Blues condemn gallant Roos to sixth loss in a row.”
Remember when they were the headlines used to describe us.......like just over a year ago!!
They all do it EB, just got to be clever about when. Dusty has a few years on Crippa coping with taggers. If we can win and Crippa is doing SFA (by his lofty standards), Ill take it.
I'm old school GTC and dont like seeing our champion skipper pushed around by some hack like Anderson....he gets angry and gives away dumb frees but I want him to get even. Take your point he needs a few more years like Dusty to get a more sly part of his game to deal with it.
I want Cripps to be like Cunnington vs Vince....its Nth on the end of some intimidation with Higgins getting targeted but Vince tries it on with Cunnington and its my idea of curing the problem...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGhOLlZ78s4
Shout out to Qld BlueBaggers at the game, well done on the huge voice and giving it to the over-officiating umpires... especially considering the conditions. 👏
A call or email to the umpires dept woudn't go astray RE the studs in the guts (twice this year, no free). The rest, meh. In my view we give away more stupid frees than other sides. As I said earlier, the HTB rule is a just a raffle now. For example, the one against Gov, got pinged for incorrect disposal and it was a lighning quick decision by the umps. Other times, its called play on coz it spilled loose. I just dont get it, it should be incorrect disposal every time you either dont kick it or handball it. SImple, no play on.
That's the issue, he's not. You were either going with De Koning or a smaller type like Honey in the wet.
Suppose, on the bright side, we found that Moore was crap in a game that we won.
I think we picked Moore expecting some aggro, but it is probably a bit easier to be aggro surrounded by Dusty, Nankervis, Riewoldt, Cotchin, Lambert, Grimes, McIntosh, Caddy, etc., etc..
Pittonet redeemed himself today, I think this was his best game so far, the first of quality against a serious ruck opponent.
That is what we need, a guy who is competitive against the best, not a guy who dominates B-Graders then gets smashed by the A-Graders.
Pittonet redeemed himself today, I think this was his best game so far, the first of quality against a serious ruck opponent.
That is what we need, a guy who is competitive against the best, not a guy who dominates B-Graders then gets smashed by the A-Graders.
Played 4 quarters and was my best Blues player for the day.....not super dominant but negated Goldy and did some handy stuff himself with zero help ie Moore.....
Played 4 quarters and was my best Blues player for the day.....not super dominant but negated Goldy and did some handy stuff himself with zero help ie Moore.....
I'll try and watch a replay before I decide or vote, I thought Kennedy was probably my best, perhaps his best game for us as well. Kennedy and Plowman took some mighty pressure marks today in less than ideal conditions, but Kennedy had at least two maybe three strong contested marks.
Still, a major standout was Pittonet. Doesn't know fear
I'm old school GTC and dont like seeing our champion skipper pushed around by some hack like Anderson....he gets angry and gives away dumb frees but I want him to get even. Take your point he needs a few more years like Dusty to get a more sly part of his game to deal with it.
I want Cripps to be like Cunnington vs Vince....its Nth on the end of some intimidation with Higgins getting targeted but Vince tries it on with Cunnington and its my idea of curing the problem...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGhOLlZ78s4
Gee Oliver would have romped in an Acadamy Award for that. IIRC, Cunnington got a week for that? Ed is doing the same to the opo guns, thats life.
Played 4 quarters and was my best Blues player for the day.....not super dominant but negated Goldy and did some handy stuff himself with zero help ie Moore.....
And was handy around the ground and buttering up after a ruck contest.
Gee Oliver would have romped in an Acadamy Award for that. IIRC, Cunnington got a week for that? Ed is doing the same to the opo guns, thats life.
Cunnington got a fine only...well worth the investment, bet Vince didnt try that BS on with him again...
The quicky in the bread basket doesnt seem to attract as much condemnation as the head high stuff or jumper punch, Dusty likes to use
it a lot to keep opponents honest..
I think Greg Williams didnt mind delivering a sly one in that region either....
@GTC
I gave up on trying to figure out HTB today. Seemed very random decisions by the umps, they are confused themselves iyam.
AFL Website headline:
“ Blues condemn gallant Roos to sixth loss in a row.”
Remember when they were the headlines used to describe us.......like just over a year ago!!
Oh only too well.... 😥
Not getting ahead of myself yet though. Encouraging signs just the same
@GTC
I gave up on trying to figure out HTB today. Seemed very random decisions by the umps, they are confused themselves iyam.
The problem "Is the rule" and how it is interpreted, not the umpires.
You can't write rules without regard to how people will interpret and implement them, it's a major flaw in this removing prior opportunity argument, because no umpire will penalise a player until they think they actually had possession, and that assessment remains subjective.
Oh only too well.... 😥
Not getting ahead of myself yet though. Encouraging signs just the same
Ugly wins beat gallant losses any day!
I'm glad we are in the close ones, but I think for the sanity and welfare of the players, Teague needs to find ways to get on the end of some easy victories.
We won't get through the next set of matches having 4 or 5 close games in a row.
I know this is off topic a bit but I was just watching Clarkson on the after match Haw v Swans and he said something along the lines of "when it's 22 - 13 free kicks against it's like playing against a team with another player". Now, I am dying to see if a "please explain" comes his way from the AFL. My tip. Nothing happens. For years these tossers had a free ride from AFL HQ now when they start losing they start to bitch. We get an absolute reeming most weeks (especially this year) and nothing. Very interested to see the outcome of this seeing as we play the Dorks next Friday. >:(
Why Moore was picked before TdK staggered me.
Cripps worries me.
Hard to see how moneybags pulled a hammy, don't you have to run to do one?
Not impressed but it was a game we HAD to win against a crap side and we managed to, enough said.
Won ugly, good sign.
Cuningham did the cameo thing again, only this time his sublime skills in the wet were cameos that could well have been the difference.
Newnes confuses me. Liability in close and under pressure, yet chips in for invaluable opportunistic goals that are full of skill. Paradox.
Kennedy, Setterfield and Williamson coming along nicely.
Plowman, Simmo, Weitering... rocks.
Ed, Walsh, Martin... so important.
What's up with Crippa? Saw him take backward steps when confronted by the kid Smith against the Dishlickers, did it again last week when confronted... Crippa, when blokes push you in the chest, hold your ground and never step backward. Get in touch with your inner 'mongrel'. And please don't catch the Murphy disease of playing for frees.
Moore about as useful as an ashtray on a motor bike.
Brackets (inj) and Moore probably out for next week. H or TDK for Moore? Fisher for Brackets (depending on weather and matchups against the Dawks.)
Pitto was also terrific in the first and completely on top of Goldstein - until Moore went into the ruck and Goldstein found some form.
Cuningham doesn't seem to be spending as much time in the midfield as he did in his BOG performance a few weeks back.
Newnes is proving his worth.
Kennedy and Setterfield are coming along nicely but I credit the big improvement in Kennedy to our new fitness guru, who has him looking much trimmer and has taught him how to get out of the slow plod that he has showed for the past couple of years.
Williamson was nothing special today but his availability has allowed Plowman to play further from the goal square and his past 2 games have been the best I have seen from him.
Murphy has been disappointing this year - like he was when Bolton was playing him on the wing - although I thought some of his last quarter efforts, today, were very valuable. He has clearly lost some pace and that probably contributes to him playing for frees. He improved, last year, under Teague when he had a chance to spend some game time in the middle and I think a similar move (along with resting him forward) would enable him to use 'inside-skills' and experience to greater advantage.
As for Moore being about as useful as an ashtray on a motor bike, that assessment might be generous. Apart from a lack of meaningful contribution, he played Goldstein into the game when he relieved Pitto and, I reckon, Levi suffered by being stuck up forward. Levi's improvements in recent years have coincided with him spending some regular time in the ruck and having a chance to run around, getting his hands on the ball.
The problem "Is the rule" and how it is interpreted, not the umpires.
You can't write rules without regard to how people will interpret and implement them, it's a major flaw in this removing prior opportunity argument, because no umpire will penalise a player until they think they actually had possession, and that assessment remains subjective.
I've had long arguments about prior opportunity rule with you.
Whether or not they bring it in is irrelevent. Umpires STILL have to make a call on whether/when a player has possession or not now......when a player is tackled!
I maintain it will make decisions a lot easier to make, not perfect, because umpires are not perfect. But by simply removing a level of complexity in making a decision, there is less room for errors to be made. Its simple maths.
@GTC
I gave up on trying to figure out HTB today. Seemed very random decisions by the umps, they are confused themselves iyam.
I can see why it frustrates people, need to simplify the interpretation parameters. That is, tackled player kicks or hand ball - yes = play on, no = holding the ball (irrespective of time). Ball spills out while tackled, free kick incorrect disposal. Forget prior opportunity, get rid of it. I dont like the rubbish rule whereby when multiple players jump on top of the tackled player he gets pinged. I know why they do it though and the same rules as above should apply, free kick not ball up. Will end up with a lot more frees but the game will move on and the interpretation will be easier. Umpires needing to determine prior op or if it spilled loose in a reasonable amount of time are the two main problems to me. Players are professionally hanging onto it prepared to give away the free (ie kill time) so their team mates have time to reset ahead of the ball/play. I saw Gibbons do this today.
As a targeted player, Cripps has 1 free to him and 5 against. 😗
I reckon that is awful. Anybody who looks at how Cripps is being treated would be giving him 10 - 20 frees per game.
65 point turnaround v NM
Woohoo 🥳
That's progress right there to shake our psychological demons and come away with a win
I read (?? Source ?? accuracy) that we have 100% W rate when we kick the first goal.
If true, that's a fun fact for the day 😉
It is a pity we couldn't continue the great form we showed in the 1st term, but you can't look at a 70+ point turnaround and be too disappointed. Now to build on it next time!
I know this is off topic a bit but I was just watching Clarkson on the after match Haw v Swans and he said something along the lines of "when it's 22 - 13 free kicks against it's like playing against a team with another player". Now, I am dying to see if a "please explain" comes his way from the AFL. My tip. Nothing happens. For years these tossers had a free ride from AFL HQ now when they start losing they start to bitch. We get an absolute reeming most weeks (especially this year) and nothing. Very interested to see the outcome of this seeing as we play the Dorks next Friday. >:(
I could read that as Clarkson saying "my blokes gave away 9 more frees which gave the oppo the same advantage as having an extra player". I watch our blokes compared to other teams and we are the masters at giving away dumb free kicks in the worst possible place at the worst possible time. I sometimes think you couldnt do it if you tried but we do, week in week out.
Just watched the last 10 min again. North were never going to win. We dominated general play, just too hard to score in the conditions. No skill was going to be happening. Being a forward would've sucked big time. Only way North scored was due to a horrible in the back free kick.
Think I watched 10 min of the most horrible umpiring in years. Our issue was getting good leads then taking the foot off the gas. Need to bury sides when we have the foot on the throat. We were never losing that game but we have to do more than just enough.
Everyone knows I am a Willo fan, been terrible for 2-3 weeks now
Willo has hit something of a flat patch. I'd be inclined to do something different with him and give Cottrell a go.
Maybe play Willo off a wing, where he has a chance to attack with the left hoof of his.
I was also thinking that we need to do something for our co-Captain. Doc is being sweated on by defensive forwards to try to minimize his influence. Maybe we should give him some time in the middle to free him up.
Simmo is doing well enough, although not at his best. Jones and Weitering have not quite been as good as they were early. Jones struggled last week.
I know all too well that we tend to stick with the team that wins for the next round. I've never been that comfortable with that idea. I've always liked the idea of playing horses for courses. But now that there is doubt over both H and the Gov for next week (The Gov almost certainly won't play after a hamstring and a short break), we need to be very careful in selecting replacements. Certainly Tom de Koning comes to mind. He is mobile and takes a towering mark, as well as giving us options in the ruck.
I think we might play Moore again, but I am not a fan. I don't think he is up to senior football, even though he works very hard.
Ummmm don’t know decking players and getting reported is a great solution. Maybe he needs to study Fyffe and Martin etc and see how they work off a tagger. AND those around him should let his tagger know that they are in for a hard day.
Absolutely. Be as physical as we can on anyone stupid enough to try to mind Cripps.
Really missed Harry imo. Hes mobile and quick which spreads the defence and gives space to our smalls. The F50 looked congested and the kicking in was poor. Also reckon Cas really struggles being the main man. He is half the player he is when he is the support act.
All in all will take the win as I hate that mob. they had a few outs but we also were not at our strongest and won again without massive games from the usual. Signs are better and if we all click we would be a handful for any team.
Setterfield is starting to (thankfully) prove me wrong. He is getting more involved and more importantly is using it much better then he originally did.
Cunningham didn’t get it much but he impacted the game which in a tight one was massive.
Weitering is a bonifide star. AA lock if he conitues. Love how he goes about it.
Hawks are never easy and coming from 4 straight losses they will be hungry. Need to play better then we did today to knock those pr1cks off. Plus Clarkson whinging about umpires means they will get the rub of the green from the yellow maggots.
Hawks are never easy and coming from 4 straight losses they will be hungry. Need to play better then we did today to knock those pr1cks off. Plus Clarkson whinging about umpires means they will get the rub of the green from the yellow maggots.
So to counter that, we should get on the front foot and email the umpires dept tonight with our own complaints. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. 5P's kids
We're just as bloody entitled as any other club. The 5 day turnaround before the Hawthorn game will set some selection wheels spinning. And of course, no free to air
We're just as bloody entitled as any other club. The 5 day turnaround before the Hawthorn game will set some selection wheels spinning. And of course, no free to air
6 day break for us. We play Friday night.
6 day break for us. We play Friday night.
Yep, Teague rang the Travis Auld and asked if the game could be shifted to Friday, Auld said yep no worries.
6 day break for us. We play Friday night.
Thanks GTC. AFL Round website still says THU
If you have the chance to view the final quarter replay, note these:
14:15 Polak high fend off to Murphy Nothing
10:39 Cripps high fend off to No35 Free against
8:17 Docherty done for deliberate out of bounds
7:11 McKay goes To the boundary line Nothing
52 secs to go Anderson has both arms around Cripps in a one on one marking contest Nothing
That was in 16 minutes without looking too closely.
Get Hocking on the Batphone!!!
Someone on facebook posted a short vid of Willo picking up the ball, getting tackled immediately with the player holding the ball to him the entire time, including when he is on his back on the ground.
Holding the ball.
1. No prior.
2. Did not actually have the ball, player was holding it to him.
3. Laid on his back for at least part of the tackle.
4. None of the above mattered because he was wearing Navy Blue. ::)
Why did we play Moore?
I really question our decision makers if we think this guy is AFL level talent. He's just not. 2 pos and he spent a lot of time in the ruck so wasn't camped in the fwd pocket for the whole game.
We missed Cas impact in the ruck today. An absolutely SHOCKING selection call. Which We'll probably repeat next week.
Eddie had 5 pos and about as much impact as Gov who stank it up then injured himself. Cunningham was our best fwd and he only had 11 pos.
Someone on facebook posted a short vid of Willo picking up the ball, getting tackled immediately with the player holding the ball to him the entire time, including when he is on his back on the ground.
Holding the ball.
1. No prior.
2. Did not actually have the ball, player was holding it to him.
3. Laid on his back for at least part of the tackle.
4. None of the above mattered because he was wearing Navy Blue. ::)
The umpiring today was shocking.
Even when they reversed the shot at goal for Polec- you could see how he took the mark was to shove Murphy above the shoulder. So many regulation frees like that just weren't paid.
We got reamed against the dogs also.
Eddie had 5 pos and about as much impact as Gov who stank it up then injured himself. Cunningham was our best fwd and he only had 11 pos.
.......and we won!!! The team is maturing
You could see North were trying to be aggressive and push the boundaries but they lost the clearances and contested pos (2nd to the ball all day) yet they won the free kick count 32 - 24.
.......and we won!!! The team is maturing
I know. I think we have to accept a 12 pos game is elite for our fwd line in the system we play.... for whatever reason.
Moore had been training well, is seen as a workhorse and has been doing ruck training with Kreuzer.....was useless in the ruck mistiming leaps and useless down forward vs a real pro in Tarrant who along with the surprising Walker had too much muscle and nous for Moore and Levi.
Surprised Levi wasnt used in the ruck as he was having a shocker down forward.
Vs Ceglar and McEvoy we will might need TDK if Levi is going to be played forward permanently....Piitonet vs his old ruck mates might find the double team a bit tough on his own...
You could see North were trying to be aggressive and push the boundaries but they lost the clearances and contested pos (2nd to the ball all day) yet they won the free kick count 32 - 24.
Got lucky with No Cunnington and Zeibell, sure you can only beat who is out there but thats a big hole in a list that doesnt have much talent especially on a greasy wet day where those two love to operate in.
So to counter that, we should get on the front foot and email the umpires dept tonight with our own complaints. Whats good for the goose is good for the gander. 5P's kids
I agree totally. Mention people getting the stops stuck into them. Point out the terrible frees paid against us in the last quarter.
Moore had been training well, is seen as a workhorse and has been doing ruck training with Kreuzer.....was useless in the ruck mistiming leaps and useless down forward vs a real pro in Tarrant who along with the surprising Walker had too much muscle and nous for Moore and Levi.
Surprised Levi wasnt used in the ruck as he was having a shocker down forward.
Vs Ceglar and McEvoy we will might need TDK if Levi is going to be played forward permanently....Piitonet vs his old ruck mates might find the double team a bit tough on his own...
Doesn't help the side or Levi if he doesn't ruck.
Doesn't help the side or Levi if he doesn't ruck.
I agree. he needs to get into the play.
It was foolish to tell Cripps to lose size so he can spread to position quicker he has now lost his main weapon his intimidating size. Punks like Polec today would never move him in the past and he would stand in the tackle and dish it off now he seems beatable and able to be tackled easily. Needs to bulk up again.
As for Callum Moore when Charlie Curnow went down again I would rather them have rookied Pat Kerr back for insurance rather than Moore an absolute dud, so far in the preseason games and today I have not seen him touch the ball at all. As we are stuck with him on our list can we bring in one of the witches hats we use at training and stick a number 47 jumper on it as it would have a better chance of getting a productive stat! At least it would have a better haircut.
Happy with the win though😀
Gee we are getting a rough deal from the Umps.
I hope we play the footage of Eddie Betts being held: really obvious. Plowman not paid a mark which he clearly took.
Moore had been training well, is seen as a workhorse and has been doing ruck training with Kreuzer.....was useless in the ruck mistiming leaps and useless down forward vs a real pro in Tarrant who along with the surprising Walker had too much muscle and nous for Moore and Levi.
Surprised Levi wasnt used in the ruck as he was having a shocker down forward.
Vs Ceglar and McEvoy we will might need TDK if Levi is going to be played forward permanently....Piitonet vs his old ruck mates might find the double team a bit tough on his own...
With no H and Moore being fairly ordinary once Gov went off we couldn’t run Cas in the ruck.
Jack Martin's kicking for goal: he needs to work on that. He leans back too often, and the kick goes astray. Need to fix that and quickly!
It was foolish to tell Cripps to lose size so he can spread to position quicker he has now lost his main weapon his intimidating size. Punks like Polec today would never move him in the past and he would stand in the tackle and dish it off now he seems beatable and able to be tackled easily. Needs to bulk up again.
As for Callum Moore when Charlie Curnow went down again I would rather them have rookied Pat Kerr back for insurance rather than Moore an absolute dud, so far in the preseason games and today I have not seen him touch the ball at all. As we are stuck with him on our list can we bring in one of the witches hats we use at training and stick a number 47 jumper on it as it would have a better chance of getting a productive stat! At least it would have a better haircut.
Happy with the win though😀
Yes, would not have been the worst thing to re-rookie Kerr. Wasn't as if he was struggling just not a spot for him. Surely he was always going to be more value than Moore at any time. With Charlie out for the year and Harry out today this a game he would've played.
You could see North were trying to be aggressive and push the boundaries but they lost the clearances and contested pos (2nd to the ball all day) yet they won the free kick count 32 - 24.
We're strong in the important areas. That has to pay off if/when we do it consistently.
I'd like to see the club take a stand about the umpiring inconsistencies too. Enough of nice. Time to switch to ruthlessly competitive. IMO that's the next step of our progression.
You could see North were trying to be aggressive and push the boundaries but they lost the clearances and contested pos (2nd to the ball all day) yet they won the free kick count 32 - 24.
I thought that, especially in Q2 North disrupted our ball movement away from stoppages even when we were winning the initial clearance and then won the ball. Got themselves right back into the game that way.
With no H and Moore being fairly ordinary once Gov went off we couldn’t run Cas in the ruck.
Tarrant and Walker were slaughtering Moore and Casboult. We needed to do something different, the Bolt to the ruck to get him into the game and maybe Pittonet, Cripps or Martin to FF. Mcgovern wasn't a factor when he was on the ground.
Tarrant and Walker were slaughtering Moore and Casboult. We needed to do something different, the Bolt to the ruck to get him into the game and maybe Pittonet, Cripps or Martin to FF. Mcgovern wasn't a factor when he was on the ground.
Gov wasn’t a factor when he was on, except he needed someone sitting on him, once he went off If you take Cas out you leave a first gamer in amongst the wolves alone...
I suspect Pitto won’t offer much as a forward, as a ruck floating forward sure, but not as a forward.
That said, I would have tried to work something between Kennedy and Cas forward with the smalls running around them.
I've refrained from commenting on it this year, but the umpiring was criminally bad.
Watching the replay, Norf get everything they deserve, the scragging, cheating pack of thugs. Pity the umpires are blind to the crap they get away with. The kung fu kick on Cripps should have been a report, and Pittard got what he deserved. Total D head.
The general view on this thread re Callum Moore is that he is not up to AFL standard and put in a shocker today.
I had never seen him play until today and agree that he was a liability and completely overawed by the occasion.
However, it was his first game and he was not the only forward to go missing today.
Given his height and weight, are we being too quick to dismiss him? I keep looking for another Mitch Robinson - somebody who puts in all day and takes the pressure off our lighter built players.
I’m not sure what to make of that game. Of course you take the win. But again we get a bit roughed up and let them get on top after it. That’s Kind of concerning.
Had a period of really poor skills on show, and I suppose it’s a positive that even with that, we managed to win. But this was a team slated to get beaten easily today, and we just did it.
Not sure where we sit.
And if the Hawks get free kick Hawthorn next week after Clarkson comment, I fear we the supporters, will riot!
The general view on this thread re Callum Moore is that he is not up to AFL standard and put in a shocker today.
I had never seen him play until today and agree that he was a liability and completely overawed by the occasion.
However, it was his first game and he was not the only forward to go missing today.
Given his height and weight, are we being too quick to dismiss him? I keep looking for another Mitch Robinson - somebody who puts in all day and takes the pressure off our lighter built players.
When we were free flowing in the 1st he was in and around where you’d want him to be, when the supply slowed and he got more attention from his opponent he struggled, not the first and won’t be the last...
Does he have a future ? No idea, but displays like today won’t win him many chances.
I agree totally. Mention people getting the stops stuck into them. Point out the terrible frees paid against us in the last quarter.
They have 4+ hrs on the plane to Perth to kill, make a video and send it to the umps boss and ask the questions.
Dochs deliberate was pretty obvious. You cannot tap the ball over the boundary. He was very close to the line as it was and he should’ve put a bit more acting into it - the fumbling trying to pick it up, oops it went over.
However, north player did the exact same action later and it was throw in. That inconsistency is what is frustrating.
Newnes Impressed with his Competitiveness, definitely did not stop all day.
A not very convincing win against weakened opposition going nowhere.
We were outscored in the last 3 q, outscored on turnover and outscored from stoppage - those last 2 factors alone usually mean you lose the game. Mitch "Teague is my bitch" McGovern has obviously been told that 25% output is sufficient to earn full pay, and plays accordingly. Harry McKay is also a big concern injury wise.
When it comes to coaching, Teague is the luckiest man alive. As Amos makes clear, some other mug did all the dirty work, then in rides Dinkum Dave on his white horse, gets gifted kids with games under their belt, get gifted blokes like Betts and Martin, and time after time we just barely drag our sorry ar$es over the line. Praise be, it's a miracle.
A not very convincing win against weakened opposition going nowhere.
We were outscored in the last 3 q, outscored on turnover and outscored from stoppage - those last 2 factors alone usually mean you lose the game. Mitch "Teague is my bitch" McGovern has obviously been told that 25% output is sufficient to earn full pay, and plays accordingly. Harry McKay is also a big concern injury wise.
When it comes to coaching, Teague is the luckiest man alive. As Amos makes clear, some other mug did all the dirty work, then in rides Dinkum Dave on his white horse, gets gifted kids with games under their belt, get gifted blokes like Betts and Martin, and time after time we just barely drag our sorry ar$es over the line. Praise be, it's a miracle.
I don't think it is that simple. We are playing a completely different style of footy. Bolton never flipped the switch, ultimately he was conservative for to long. Unlucky.
A not very convincing win against weakened opposition going nowhere.
We were outscored in the last 3 q, outscored on turnover and outscored from stoppage - those last 2 factors alone usually mean you lose the game. Mitch "Teague is my bitch" McGovern has obviously been told that 25% output is sufficient to earn full pay, and plays accordingly. Harry McKay is also a big concern injury wise.
When it comes to coaching, Teague is the luckiest man alive. As Amos makes clear, some other mug did all the dirty work, then in rides Dinkum Dave on his white horse, gets gifted kids with games under their belt, get gifted blokes like Betts and Martin, and time after time we just barely drag our sorry ar$es over the line. Praise be, it's a miracle.
So we have two choices, Carlton circa May 2019 Under Bolton or Carlton circa July 2020 under Teague...... umm, next question!!
No one enjoyed their football under Bolton, he was too intense, too uptight, too uncompromising, yet the same group in a matter of days, with a different coaching attitude, beat the Brisbane who had a full head of steam!!
Even watching Bolton’s press conferences made me tense and uptight! Imagine what it was like for the players!
4/4 after 8, 2 losses less than a kick, took a contender to a kick after the siren to defeat us and we’re ( rightly or wrongly) being touted as a final 8 side....... yep I’ll take Teague and 2020 every day of the week!!
I don't think it is that simple. We are playing a completely different style of footy. Bolton never flipped the switch, ultimately he was conservative for to long. Unlucky.
No we aren't. Teague himself has said on numerous occasions that the style hasn't changed that much. As we can see with Clickbait Clarkson, there's nothing any coach can do about kids and hacks. He can barely get a yelp out of O'Maera, Mitchell, Wingard, Scully etc.
Paul.. A win is a win and while we had plenty of passengers we still did enough and it was the lesser lights who saved the day.
Eddie had a shocker, Martin was below par and Cripps was belted into submission.
We would have lost that game under BB, if we want to talk about hard done by coaches
and mistakes then Brett Ratten is probably your man.
Paul.. A win is a win and while we had plenty of passengers we still did enough and it was the lesser lights who saved the day.
Eddie had a shocker, Martin was below par and Cripps was belted into submission.
.........................if we want to talk about hard done by coaches
and mistakes then Brett Ratten is probably your man.
Well we won, whether it's because we were good enough, or just luck, or whether North are down on everything, is hard to say. Apart from maybe the 1stq, it was an ordinary performance IMO, with far too many players down on form.
Apart from maybe the 1stq, it was an ordinary performance IMO, with far too many players down on form.
Yep and that’s what good teams can do on occasions. Conversely, 6 days before hand, we hardly had a passenger in a game that went to the wire.
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"GWS should play more like Carlton" was a comment on one of the footy shows last week. It is not something we've heard a lot over the last 5 years...so I suspect Teaguey might be telling a few fibs when he says the style hasn't changed much or it could be that players are being played to their strengths in terms of positions.
Whatever it is we're different and credit to Teague for that aspect
The attacking free flowing style is 'chalk and cheese' compared to the recent past.
We saw it in the first quarter yesterday and then it kind of went missing.
There were probably a number of reasons for that and most of them have been touched on through the thread.
Injuries to personnel meant a change to the forward structure that's been working well in recent weeks.
It's interesting to note that Port struggled yesterday so last week's game may also have impacted.
If I have a concern it's that when North tried on the physical stuff it did have an effect. We've been really good ourselves at times this year in applying physical 'pressure'. Physical 'intimidation' however is slightly different and something we're not good at. Handling that form of pressure also raises a few question marks. I think we can expect a bit more of the same in coming weeks when opposition folks analyse yesterday's game.
Finally just on Cripps. I've been thinking, and saying for some time that he appears to be playing injured. Some have put his reduction in impact and explosiveness to his trimming down... and that may be the case.
Football is a funny game and a lot of our opinions are based on our own perceptions clouded by bias or a simple 'bee in our bonnet.'
It may be that's why when I was watching Cripps in the pre-game run throughs and it came time for the players to break into a faster run it seemed to me that he was struggling to increase the pace and took a 'check' moment before he got going.
To think that Teague would go on TV and explain the workings of his game plan would be naive. He looks like a man who keeps his cards very close to his chest to me.
Yep and that’s what good teams can do on occasions. Conversely, 6 days before hand, we hardly had a passenger in a game that went to the wire.
I disagree. Good teams win consistently, display consistent good form, beat the better teams more often than not, and put weaker teams to the sword.
I reckon we put the queue in the rack after q time. Much less manic attack on the footy , less tackling pressure.
And no way are we good enough to do that yet. It’s hard to switch back on, once you have switched off. Almost paid the ultimate price for it.
I disagree. Good teams win consistently, display consistent good form, beat the better teams more often than not, and put weaker teams to the sword.
So give me a ‘good team’ this year, I’ll quote you occasional inconsistent performances.
So give me a ‘good team’ this year, I’ll quote you occasional inconsistent performances.
I agree, but that's not my point. Apart from the Bulldogs, falling over against this team or that team does nor engender much confidence. All teams have been inconsistent, but you can be inconsistent and still look convincing, like Port. We have scored 100 points or more the last 3 games against the Dogs - it's entirely possible that we are simply their bogey team.
For some people, "we won" is enough. For those of us who take an interest in detail, nuance and subtlety, it's not nearly enough.
No we aren't. Teague himself has said on numerous occasions that the style hasn't changed that much. As we can see with Clickbait Clarkson, there's nothing any coach can do about kids and hacks. He can barely get a yelp out of O'Maera, Mitchell, Wingard, Scully etc.
[/quotNo we aren't. Teague himself has said on numerous occasions that the style hasn't changed that much. As we can see with Clickbait Clarkson, there's nothing any coach can do about kids and hacks. He can barely get a yelp out of O'Maera, Mitchell, Wingard, Scully etc.
Sorry, what?! We have not taken on the game via shirt 45s and risks through the middle this much since Rats was catching. Our forward structure is unrecognisable and our defensive line is much deeper than any time in the last 15 years.
I disagree. Good teams win consistently, display consistent good form, beat the better teams more often than not, and put weaker teams to the sword.
Geez you’re a hard man to please Paul.
While they are admirable desires to have, the last time we displayed them consistently was back between 95 and 99.
The last time we were briefly considered a football team was 10 years ago under Ratten.
We are making progress.
Geez you’re a hard man to please Paul.
While they are admirable desires to have, the last time we displayed them consistently was back between 95 and 99.
The last time we were briefly considered a football team was 10 years ago under Ratten.
We are making progress.
I'm not hard to please at all. I'm not questioning progress, I'm questioning the fact that folks think it's a leaps-and-bounds progress and I'm saying it's anything but.
I think you’re splitting hairs then.
No one her is typesetting the 2020 flag (yet 🙄) but we are progressing, we seem to be learning.
12 months ago we couldn’t win a close game, now we seem to be learning how to dig in and hold that lead, accept the green shoots...
I think you’re splitting hairs then.
No one her is typesetting the 2020 flag (yet 🙄) but we are progressing, we seem to be learning.
12 months ago we couldn’t win a close game, now we seem to be learning how to dig in and hold that lead, accept the green shoots...
Are we also growing a few thorns? 😁
I'm not hard to please at all. I'm not questioning progress, I'm questioning the fact that folks think it's a leaps-and-bounds progress and I'm saying it's anything but.
I'd call it methodical progress, you look at Richmond, Brisbane and Stkilda and you only need a catalyst like a good trade period and you make the next big step into finals.
We are now that one step away IMHO... then it's up to the coach.
I'd call it methodical progress, you look at Richmond, Brisbane and Stkilda and you only need a catalyst like a good trade period and you make the next big step into finals.
We are now that one step away IMHO... then it's up to the coach.
I suppose then the timing was perfect for the white-ants to pounce and claim all the glory.
I think there is a significant overconfidence in Liddle, Lloyd and cronies, they haven't really been tested yet, for now they are living off the efforts of those who came before them, the predecessors who mostly wore the earlier pain.
I think you’re splitting hairs then.
No one her is typesetting the 2020 flag (yet 🙄) but we are progressing, we seem to be learning.
12 months ago we couldn’t win a close game, now we seem to be learning how to dig in and hold that lead, accept the green shoots...
Yes, but is this luck, or progress, or both ? Last night, I would argue that at best, we were level pegging with North for 3q, and at worst, we were slightly outplayed. Don't forget, we've lost our fair share of close games as well.
There are those who think the 99 prelim is some kind of pinnacle, a victory for the ages. I disagree. I think it was fraudulent, and I'm deferring judgement until I see that where we're at now is beyond the stage of false hope.
I'd call it methodical progress, you look at Richmond, Brisbane and Stkilda and you only need a catalyst like a good trade period and you make the next big step into finals.
We are now that one step away IMHO... then it's up to the coach.
I don't see that closeness myself.
What would you regard as a progress 'Pass' mark Paul?
Would finals be enough?
What would you regard as a progress 'Pass' mark Paul?
Would finals be enough?
It's not really about finals. It's about the actual on field play, and putting together a series of strong, convincing commanding performances over 4 quarters, where we look in control, good ball movement, good defence, able to change gears when required, able to show a bit of physicality when required. At the moment we are still too flaky, and still have too many gaps in our play IMO. I'm sure that Teague is perfectly aware of all this.
Learning how to win is the most important thing we can do now. As I keep saying winners win because they win, losers lose because they lose. I think we had a massive opportunity to really bury North yesterday but we didn't know how to do it. If we kicked 5.1 in the third quarter instead of 1.5, the story would have been so much different. I thought we dominated in general play for about three and a quarter quarters, and North had a good run in the second and got a bit lucky at the end of the third. I thought the umpires were very adept at finding the right free at the right time for North. We have a chance next week to get a head of the count next week and I think 9 wins will be enough to play finals, and if we can be 6 & 5 coming out of Perth, then we have a chance to make the finals on our own merit since 2011.
A few observations. It's taken about 8 months for Jack Martin to learn the Carlton way when kicking for goals. David Cuningham is not far off from being a very good footballer. I was so pleased he went for that goal in the last quarter after just falling short the week before. I thought studs up was a free kick. While Moore gave a good contest throughout the match, I think it might be TDK time.
It's not really about finals. It's about the actual on field play, and putting together a series of strong, convincing commanding performances over 4 quarters, where we look in control, good ball movement, good defence, able to change gears when required, able to show a bit of physicality when required. At the moment we are still too flaky, and still have too many gaps in our play IMO. I'm sure that Teague is perfectly aware of all this.
Agree, but we are getting better imo.
Agree, but we are getting better imo.
Yes, agree, but I see it more as baby steps than most.
No one is saying we are bloody awesome, there are quite obviously some big issues to sort out. The lack of being about to put 4 quarters together consistently is the obvious one.
But to say it’s not completely different to when BB coached, is a fallacy. I was a BB fan but he did not have the team playing like they are now. Teague and the players say, he tells them to take it on, make a mistake in the process but try and try again. Footy is very much about confidence. Had cunners kicked that goal an extra metre last week, we would’ve won. He took his opportunity yesterday in an Ugly wet scrap, and got it that time. The belief and confidence for him to do that again after last week, is a credit to the coach.
Time to let the BB era go. I believed in him and his process but it didn’t yield results and ultimately the players didn’t believe in it either. They are on board the D-train And grinding out those wins, after a heartbreaker of a loss last week, can only be a positive for that team. Sure I’m frustrated we didn’t annihilate them but as someone else said, Port lost in Adelaide to Sts last night, maybe the game last week drained both teams.
Yes, agree, but I see it more as baby steps than most.
We surely have to be very careful of getting too far ahead of ourselves. If we could get a taste of finals this year it would be very good for our development - as long as we don't get slaughtered that is!
No one is saying we are bloody awesome, there are quite obviously some big issues to sort out. The lack of being about to put 4 quarters together consistently is the obvious one.
But to say it’s not completely different to when BB coached, is a fallacy. I was a BB fan but he did not have the team playing like they are now. Teague and the players say, he tells them to take it on, make a mistake in the process but try and try again. Footy is very much about confidence. Had cunners kicked that goal an extra metre last week, we would’ve won. He took his opportunity yesterday in an Ugly wet scrap, and got it that time. The belief and confidence for him to do that again after last week, is a credit to the coach.
Time to let the BB era go. I believed in him and his process but it didn’t yield results and ultimately the players didn’t believe in it either. They are on board the D-train And grinding out those wins, after a heartbreaker of a loss last week, can only be a positive for that team. Sure I’m frustrated we didn’t annihilate them but as someone else said, Port lost in Adelaide to Sts last night, maybe the game last week drained both teams.
Teague has tweaked the game plan, but it is most certainly not completely different. I posted analysis from Champion Data late last year which showed this quite clearly - plus comments from Teague, plus comments from players, plus comments from assistant coaches. It's more front half, and Teague is more "player empowerment", but it's not completely different.
We surely have to be very careful of getting too far ahead of ourselves. If we could get a taste of finals this year it would be very good for our development - as long as we don't get slaughtered that is!
Maybe. I'm not really a fan of teams that just make up the numbers in finals, limping in with unconvincing form, then being bundled out in straight sets. I really don't see much difference between such teams and those that hang around just outside the 8. Though I certainly agree that it would help the development to play a final.
Really enjoying Will Setterfield's growth this season.
His awareness and vision, particularly in attack is matched by his skilful kicking and handballing. He's been building week by week. Well done to young Will 👏
I disagree. Good teams win consistently, display consistent good form, beat the better teams more often than not, and put weaker teams to the sword.
So thats what good teams do. Fair enough.
On the other side of the coin...
Bad team lose consistently, display inconsistent form, lose to worse teams more often than not and struggle to put any teams to the sword.
I give you carlton in 2019 (and 2018....) under Bolton.
I find it staggering that you use this as a 'reason' Teague has done little, and at the same time giving a clinical definition of Carlton under his coaching efforts.
Really enjoying Will Setterfield's growth this season.
His awareness and vision, particularly in attack is matched by his skilful kicking and handballing. He's been building week by week. Well done to young Will 👏
Its amazing what a decent pre-season does and not judging him after his first season coming back from a knee injury. ;)
So thats what good teams do. Fair enough.
On the other side of the coin...
Bad team lose consistently, display inconsistent form, lose to worse teams more often than not and struggle to put any teams to the sword.
I give you carlton in 2019 (and 2018....) under Bolton.
I find it staggering that you use this as a 'reason' Teague has done little, and at the same time giving a clinical definition of Carlton under his coaching efforts.
As we have seen with Clarkson, even the greatest coach can't do much with average cattle and kids. I have heard many coaches say that 80% of coaching is done during the week, and there's little they can do o match day, especially now with limited runners.
Take out 30 odd games of experience from the kids, take out PIttonet, Martin, Betts etc., and put in their place Lobbe, Phillips, Mullet, O'Shea, Smedts and many others. Take a hard line long term view on development, and specifically give kids games and tough assignments, leaving oldies on the periphery. Give all that to Clarkson, or Teague, and get back to me.
I'd like to extend a big middle finger 👆 to the sycophants in the football media piling onto Marc Murphy for 'flopping'. Sure, he may have gone down fast but it was totally unnecessary contact. Get a grip tossers, we've been on the end of putrid umpiring for a long time... Where's the hue and cry about the studs up mark? Reet reet... Crickets.
I suppose then the timing was perfect for the white-ants to pounce and claim all the glory.
I think there is a significant overconfidence in Liddle, Lloyd and cronies, they haven't really been tested yet, for now they are living off the efforts of those who came before them, the predecessors who mostly wore the earlier pain.
Lloyd and Liddle will have their big test this trade period.....they sacked SOS, employed an office boy and will need to handle
the recruiting period on their own.
The likes of Papley, Wines, Crouch, Williams or whatever big name player is available wont be just walking into Ikon park and signing up and will need to be massaged through the gate and in some cases traded for.
Everything else is in place IMO, no excuses its judgement time for them and we had better see some quality players coming our way.
I'd like to extend a big middle finger 👆 to the sycophants in the football media piling onto Marc Murphy for 'flopping'. Sure, he may have gone down fast but it was totally unnecessary contact. Get a grip tossers, we've been on the end of putrid umpiring for a long time... Where's the hue and cry about the studs up mark? Reet reet... Crickets.
Yep....that was a fairly decent push and Murphy did the right thing and milked it(Clarko would be proud)...you would be hard pressed to find a bigger knob in the comp than Pittard either. Crunch time of the match and that idiot wanted to play tough guy...Robert Walls would have the boxing gloves on Strempel style this week at training with that peroxided nuffy...
Really enjoying Will Setterfield's growth this season.
His awareness and vision, particularly in attack is matched by his skilful kicking and handballing. He's been building week by week. Well done to young Will 👏
Agree...a consistent performer still with some upside and more physical development to be had , knows his limitations and plays his role.
Probably goes under the radar as he isnt flashy but its the reliable types you build a core group around and he is now part of that core group IMO.
No we aren't. Teague himself has said on numerous occasions that the style hasn't changed that much. As we can see with Clickbait Clarkson, there's nothing any coach can do about kids and hacks. He can barely get a yelp out of O'Maera, Mitchell, Wingard, Scully etc.
It'd be easier to admit you were simply ridiculously wrong. 10-9 under Teague, 4 from the last 43 under Bolton. Answers everything. |
Game has changed, we are alot more attacking than the confusing, defensive muck served up before.
I agree, but that's not my point. Apart from the Bulldogs, falling over against this team or that team does nor engender much confidence. All teams have been inconsistent, but you can be inconsistent and still look convincing, like Port. We have scored 100 points or more the last 3 games against the Dogs - it's entirely possible that we are simply their bogey team.
For some people, "we won" is enough. For those of us who take an interest in detail, nuance and subtlety, it's not nearly enough.
I was happy to fall over the line against the likes of Geelong, at Geelong, and Essendon. They were never going to lose yesterday, they were always doing enough although I'd like to see the foot on the throat when on top, not the foot off the brake. This time last year we were 1-11 (who was that under again?...lol) and embarrassing, now 4-4 and 10 from 19. We're not going to be a premiership side overnight but right now it's great improvement as we go along the journey of maturity.
It'd be easier to admit you were simply ridiculously wrong. 10-9 under Teague, 4 from the last 43 under Bolton. Answers everything. |
Game has changed, we are alot more attacking than the confusing, defensive muck served up before.
I realise basic comprehension is beyond you, so I'll give you a helping hand. Look back on our recruiting history over the last 20 years and tell me what you see. Look back at our coaches over the last 20 years, their successes and failures, and tell me if you can join the dots. Come on slugger, I dare ya. See if for once in your life, you can take a broader view, and see the bigger picture.
I realise basic comprehension is beyond you, so I'll give you a helping hand. Look back on our recruiting history over the last 20 years and tell me what you see. Look back at our coaches over the last 20 years, their successes and failures, and tell me if you can join the dots. Come on slugger, I dare ya. See if for once in your life, you can take a broader view, and see the bigger picture.
Don't give me spin. That's all you have when you've been made to look a fool. The more you bring it up the more you look a fool. Look at the scoreboard, tells all. From that scoreboard I see 10 from 19 compared 4 from 43. I saw instant improvement. Same players, different results. If you can't see the difference in our game since Teague come along then I can only laugh in your face.
Paul, you got it wrong. no amount of spin, BS will change that.
Agree...a consistent performer still with some upside and more physical development to be had , knows his limitations and plays his role.
Probably goes under the radar as he isnt flashy but its the reliable types you build a core group around and he is now part of that core group IMO.
I think he's got significant development ahead of him, assuming good health and coaching.
It's his vision, good decisions, and pinpoint execution that are impressive. I recall they worked on defensive game last year, and adapting mind to body change post injuries. He also has a steely determination in the contest. Again with the right coaching, can enable that ruthless competitiveness. Looking forward to seeing Setterfield with 50 games under his belt. Might turn out to be another SOS masterstroke!
i think we are a very LUCKY football team,cats play 6mins, ess 1more meter,roos with important players missing.I blame our game style it has been the same for years the long bomb into forward line does not work the opposition just run it out and because we are slow cant defend and into there open forward line,easy goals to other side. How many times have we seen this happen. So change game plan . How does opposition have open forward line and ours is crowded all time?Glad we won but we are LUCKY
It'd be easier to admit you were simply ridiculously wrong. 10-9 under Teague, 4 from the last 43 under Bolton. Answers everything.
The axe for bolton should have come a lot earlier. We learned precious little from his time at Carlton
Don't give me spin. That's all you have when you've been made to look a fool. The more you bring it up the more you look a fool. Look at the scoreboard, tells all. From that scoreboard I see 10 from 19 compared 4 from 43. I saw instant improvement. Same players, different results. If you can't see the difference in our game since Teague come along then I can only laugh in your face.
Paul, you got it wrong. no amount of spin, BS will change that.
If you stopped behaving like a cross between a 5 year old and a know-it-all, you might understand my point. Even by the standards of a footy forum, you cannot make a proper assessment of any coaching record without taking into account the bigger picture. You cannot simply look at results and magically erase the context, because it gives you yet another chance for one of your pathetic little nyah nyah nyah moments.
Bolton and Teague are not playing the same players, they are not playing under the same parameters, nor the same aims and objectives. Teague's 2019 results and 2020 results are pretty much the same, despite another pre season, despite the injection Betts, Martin, Pittonet etc.
Really enjoying Will Setterfield's growth this season.
His awareness and vision, particularly in attack is matched by his skilful kicking and handballing. He's been building week by week. Well done to young Will 👏
Only 22 yo, under 30 games, lost fitness, continuity and confidence due to a knee reco. Plenty of upside here!!
Only 22 yo, under 30 games, lost fitness, continuity and confidence due to a knee reco. Plenty of upside here!!
Needs to bulk up a little though. Becoming a tackling machine also.
i think we are a very LUCKY football team,cats play 6mins, ess 1more meter,roos with important players missing.I blame our game style it has been the same for years the long bomb into forward line does not work the opposition just run it out and because we are slow cant defend and into there open forward line,easy goals to other side. How many times have we seen this happen. So change game plan . How does opposition have open forward line and ours is crowded all time?Glad we won but we are LUCKY
Dont disagree we were lucky both with Nth being down on some key players and our own game plan working not so well but we slugged it out and lesser thought of players dragged us over the line. In the past we would have been over run and lost but players like Cuningham seem to have a licence to thrill under Teague they didnt have under Bolton and backed themselves in.
Its a more attacking style even though inconsistent but its better than defending patches of grass and trying to strangle teams...think I'd rather go down swinging than having hope as a strategy.
Dont disagree we were lucky both with Nth being down on some key players and our own game plan working not so well but we slugged it out and lesser thought of players dragged us over the line. In the past we would have been over run and lost but players like Cuningham seem to have a licence to thrill under Teague they didnt have under Bolton and backed themselves in.
Its a more attacking style even though inconsistent but its better than defending patches of grass and trying to strangle teams...think I'd rather go down swinging than having hope as a strategy.
Yep, better to die on your feet than live on your knees as the old saying goes. >:D
As we have seen with Clarkson, even the greatest coach can't do much with average cattle and kids. I have heard many coaches say that 80% of coaching is done during the week, and there's little they can do o match day, especially now with limited runners.
Take out 30 odd games of experience from the kids, take out PIttonet, Martin, Betts etc., and put in their place Lobbe, Phillips, Mullet, O'Shea, Smedts and many others. Take a hard line long term view on development, and specifically give kids games and tough assignments, leaving oldies on the periphery. Give all that to Clarkson, or Teague, and get back to me.
OK, take all that away......Teague went 6-5 from his 11 games.
Same cattle, Bolton went 1-10.
Oh, but that was just honeymoon period right?
Except now...
Take away Kreuzer, Charlie, Fisher, Marchbank, throw an labouring Cripps in that as well.
Oh, 4 and 4? MUST be the new recruits.
You can come up with all the excuses you want.
Occams razor suggests the simplest, less convoluted answer is the right one.
Teague > Bolton.
The end.
Bolton and Teague are not playing the same players, they are not playing under the same parameters, nor the same aims and objectives. Teague's 2019 results and 2020 results are pretty much the same, despite another pre season, despite the injection Betts, Martin, Pittonet etc.
There was a spike once the change occurred, for reasons which have been discussed extensively, but from June 2019 till now we have been basically treading water.
Bolton and Teague are not playing the same players, they are not playing under the same parameters, nor the same aims and objectives. Teague's 2019 results and 2020 results are pretty much the same, despite another pre season, despite the injection Betts, Martin, Pittonet etc.
There was a spike once the change occurred, for reasons which have been discussed extensively, but from June 2019 till now we have been basically treading water.
Got to admire your determination. I think most people (Carlton or neutral) would probably agree that Teague is a clearly better coach though. The less charitable (like me) would go one step further and state that BB clearly had no idea what he was doing and goes down as a baffling appointment.
Teague just fell into our lap really and thank god for that. Hate to think what bumbler the rocket surgeons on our board would have appointed had Teague not made it impossible to give it to someone else.
Agree re. Setterfield. 2nd year back from his Reco and looks like a 10 year player.
Hopefully Harry and SOS are back next week.
Got to admire your determination. I think most people (Carlton or neutral) would probably agree that Teague is a clearly better coach though. The less charitable (like me) would go one step further and state that BB clearly had no idea what he was doing and goes down as a baffling appointment.
Teague just fell into our lap really and thank god for that. Hate to think what bumbler the rocket surgeons on our board would have appointed had Teague not made it impossible to give it to someone else.
Bolton and Teague are the actors who make the most appearances, but the play isn't really about them. It's about understanding that any club is much bigger than one person, that one person cannot make that much difference, that clubs operate in a dynamic state, with changing values and priorities, and that we must get beyond this tip-of-the-iceberg mentality, where what we see becomes a lazy substitute for a much bigger reality. You would think Pagan and Malthouse were lousy coaches if you only knew their record with us, yet we know this is not the case.
You would think Pagan and Malthouse were lousy coaches if you only knew their record with us, yet we know this is not the case.
Pagan, really? The guy was the biggest contributor for where we find ourselves today. What he did to this club is unforgivable. The losing mentality we see today is directly attributable to sheer number of floggings we copped under his tutelage.
Hack of the highest order and no amount of turd polishing can brighten the stain that he imposed on this club.
screwing hate the bloke for what he did... C*nt of the highest order...
The less said about Sir craphouse the better, but the rot was forged under the guidance of the hack of all hacks Pagan. Don't piss on my back and re-tell history...
Bolton and Teague are the actors who make the most appearances, but the play isn't really about them. It's about understanding that any club is much bigger than one person, that one person cannot make that much difference, that clubs operate in a dynamic state, with changing values and priorities, and that we must get beyond this tip-of-the-iceberg mentality, where what we see becomes a lazy substitute for a much bigger reality. You would think Pagan and Malthouse were lousy coaches if you only knew their record with us, yet we know this is not the case.
So why bother ?
Do you seriously think you can comprehend any of it from this place ?
Even the key decision makers are oblivious to all the actions, inactions and subsequent repercussions.
Only 1 club gets it “right” each year, everyone else gets it “wrong” by your own definition.
It’s butterfly wings beating in Africa stuff.
Got to admire your determination. I think most people (Carlton or neutral) would probably agree that Teague is a clearly better coach though. The less charitable (like me) would go one step further and state that BB clearly had no idea what he was doing and goes down as a baffling appointment.
Teague just fell into our lap really and thank god for that. Hate to think what bumbler the rocket surgeons on our board would have appointed had Teague not made it impossible to give it to someone else.
😁
A medical involving checking for training wheels or evidence of scars related to their recent surgical removal would no doubt have been high on their elimination criteria.
Bolton and Teague are the actors who make the most appearances, but the play isn't really about them. It's about understanding that any club is much bigger than one person, that one person cannot make that much difference, that clubs operate in a dynamic state, with changing values and priorities, and that we must get beyond this tip-of-the-iceberg mentality, where what we see becomes a lazy substitute for a much bigger reality. You would think Pagan and Malthouse were lousy coaches if you only knew their record with us, yet we know this is not the case.
I wish you well with this theory but you might be overthinking it a fraction. It's not like Teague took us from 5-7 wins a year and built from there. We were losing almost every game and copping hammerings on a regular basis. Some games we could barely cross halfway. Almost immediately we have become finals contenders. If you redraw the ladder from the point Teague took over we're 8th or 9th I think.
I agree It's not 100% about the senior coach but Bolts but had no idea what he was doing on any level. I think that's clear.
Only 1 club gets it “right” each year
I think that's a key point.
Just about every club in the middle of the table will display some inconsistency over a season.
That's due to the fact that they're either on the improve or on the decline.
Top 4 and that inconsistency is much less apparent.
But even premiers will have the odd aberration in terms of performance as we did in 1995
We're at that stage where we are doing some things really well but there are still a few things that need to improve.
The chief one for me is the inconsistency of individual players.
We have guys making an impression in one game in 4.
They show us what they're capable of but then put in a couple of average weeks.
When that turns to good performances in 3 out of 4 games the team results will be more consistent.
I’m not sure what to make of that game. Of course you take the win. But again we get a bit roughed up and let them get on top after it. That’s Kind of concerning.
Had a period of really poor skills on show, and I suppose it’s a positive that even with that, we managed to win. But this was a team slated to get beaten easily today, and we just did it.
Not sure where we sit.
You know that is where a player like Bryce Gibbs changed a game in the past, in wet or poor conditions he would often find a way to get a clean possession and use it. He was the type of player that could break a game - really good a driving metres which we seem to struggle to do at times.
I think we are improving.
Bolton and Teague are not playing the same players, they are not playing under the same parameters, nor the same aims and objectives. Teague's 2019 results and 2020 results are pretty much the same, despite another pre season, despite the injection Betts, Martin, Pittonet etc.
There was a spike once the change occurred, for reasons which have been discussed extensively, but from June 2019 till now we have been basically treading water.
Team A has....
Simpson
Thomas
McGovern
OBrien
Team B has...
Fasolo
Stocker
Lang
Kennedy
All other players are the same.
Which team wins?
EDIT: This one is a better comparison
Team C...
Charlie
Weitering
Marchbank
Stocker
Cuningham
Team D...
Murphy
Lang
Setterfield
DeLuca
OBrien
All other players are the same.
Which team wins and why?
Pagan, really? The guy was the biggest contributor for where we find ourselves today. What he did to this club is unforgivable. The losing mentality we see today is directly attributable to sheer number of floggings we copped under his tutelage.
Hack of the highest order and no amount of turd polishing can brighten the stain that he imposed on this club.
screwing hate the bloke for what he did... C*nt of the highest order...
The less said about Sir craphouse the better, but the rot was forged under the guidance of the hack of all hacks Pagan. Don't piss on my back and re-tell history...
You are free to love and loath whomever you please. Your views on Pagan have been known for years. Pagan is a 2 time premiership coach. Malthouse 3 times. They aren't hacks.
So why bother ?
Do you seriously think you can comprehend any of it from this place ?
Even the key decision makers are oblivious to all the actions, inactions and subsequent repercussions.
Only 1 club gets it “right” each year, everyone else gets it “wrong” by your own definition.
It’s butterfly wings beating in Africa stuff.
It's a football forum. The fact that none of us know the full story doesn't prevent us having a discussion, it doesn't prevent us from speculating, and it doesn't prevent us from taking a discussion to something beyond simplistic name calling, or simplistic conceptualizing.
If we knew the answers, the CSC wouldn't exist.
I wish you well with this theory but you might be overthinking it a fraction. It's not like Teague took us from 5-7 wins a year and built from there. We were losing almost every game and copping hammerings on a regular basis. Some games we could barely cross halfway. Almost immediately we have become finals contenders. If you redraw the ladder from the point Teague took over we're 8th or 9th I think.
I agree It's not 100% about the senior coach but Bolts but had no idea what he was doing on any level. I think that's clear.
As I said earlier, following that logic you would say the same about Pagan and Malthouse, because they also looked like they had no idea what they were doing. You would never judge a coach by his record at Carlton.
No reply to my question Paul?
Too busy getting into personal spats to stick to footballing matters?
Sorry to get back on topic. Just finished watching the game again. A bit better look gives a new perspective.
Eddie Betts - Definitely his worst game for the year. No impact and was getting very frustrated by a number of things.
Levi Casboult - Another quiet one. After that first goal I thought that would get his confidence up but just got continually out-muscled by his opponent. Didn't give a yelp. Think we all agree, he needs to be the change ruckman. Plays better when that's the case and God knows the Moore experiment was an unmitigated disaster.
Patrick Cripps - After the twat-knot went onto him, his influence was negated significantly. Still the Anderson move was a negative for Norf. He was getting plenty of it in the first. Robbing Peter to pay Paul really.
David Cuningham - Kudos to Cunners. Our best forward by far and has a really good boot. Special mention for his behaviour after he kicked that first goal from the McMillan shank handball. Instead of rubbing his nose in it he just jogged back to position. A refreshing change from the norm in AFL nowadays.
Ed Curnow - Good again yesterday. Had several opponents during the day before settling on Simpkin and did a number on him. Was our best player in the last. Just worked his arse off.
Sam Docherty - Had difficult time of it with the "Tiger King" tag. Also his disposal was uncharacteristically shabby.
Michael Gibbons - Battled hard and did a couple of nice things. A real soldier but not one of his better games.
Liam Jones - Played OK I thought. Got on top of Larkey in the end when the pressure was on.
Matthew Kennedy - Had a real good game. Just worked hard at every contest and hit the scoreboard. Good decision making and no stuff ups this week that I recall.
Jack Martin - Another with his worst game for the year. Flying for marks when he shouldn't, missing targets and missing goals he would ordinarily swallow. That last quarter miss from the double 50 was a shocker.
Mitch McGovern - Useless. No other word for it. Apart from one goal assist as useless as Moore. We were a man down even before he went off. One really interesting moment if you watch the replay is in the 2nd qtr when he fumbles the ball on half forward (one of the few times he gets close to it) and just loses it. Crippa just rips into him. Unsavoury look.
Callum Moore - Worse selection since Darcy Lang. Just like a an Auskick kid playing.
Marc Murphy - Was having real bad one again but his last quarter was good. Plenty ahead of him in the useless stakes.
Jack Newnes - His usual good bad and ugly game but he kicks goals nearly every game and some of his work is outstanding. I think we just have to live with his errors. A bit like Jones.
Sam Petrevski-Seton - This bloke worries me. Has the skills but not the intensity. I find myself screaming at the TV at him more than anyone else in the team. Just like Newnes, some good bad and ugly.
Marc Pittonet - Great game. He was the reason we were all over them in the 1st. His breaks from play cost us.
Lachie Plowman - That's 2 good games in a row for Lachie. His work in the last was awesome.
Will Setterfield - BOG. Just used the ball really real well. Seemed very cool under pressure and continues to do the hard work. Has really surprised me. I hope he keeps it up.
Kade Simpson - Solid game by the old champ. Still capable of some great one-percenters.
Sam Walsh - Building up his form nicely. In our best I thought.
Jacob Weitering - Bar one lapse in concentration, tool Brown to the cleaners. Just another scalp in his career best year to date.
Tom Williamson - Love this guy but yesterday was not one of his best games. Still there was one bit of play where he attacked and swooped up the ball and shot out a beautiful handball to advantage. It was spectacular. Still need to stick with him.
Other observations. Foxtel camerawork is woeful. Considering the number of players having an off day and IMO having 2 good quarters of football we did well to win. We went better in the wet. 3rd Quarter was by far the umpires worst.Great crowd presence and you could not hear the theme song after the win with the volume of the boos at the umps from our supporters.
Agree...a consistent performer still with some upside and more physical development to be had , knows his limitations and plays his role.
Probably goes under the radar as he isnt flashy but its the reliable types you build a core group around and he is now part of that core group IMO.
Got a funny feeling in a couple of years time, teams will be really concerned with what to do with Cripps, Setterfield and Kennedy in the centre bounce
Sorry to get back on topic. Just finished watching the game again. A bit better look gives a new perspective.
Eddie Betts - Definitely his worst game for the year. No impact and was getting very frustrated by a number of things.
Levi Casboult - Another quiet one. After that first goal I thought that would get his confidence up but just got continually out-muscled by his opponent. Didn't give a yelp. Think we all agree, he needs to be the change ruckman. Plays better when that's the case and God knows the Moore experiment was an unmitigated disaster.
Patrick Cripps - After the twat-knot went onto him, his influence was negated significantly. Still the Anderson move was a negative for Norf. He was getting plenty of it in the first. Robbing Peter to pay Paul really.
David Cuningham - Kudos to Cunners. Our best forward by far and has a really good boot. Special mention for his behaviour after he kicked that first goal from the McMillan shank handball. Instead of rubbing his nose in it he just jogged back to position. A refreshing change from the norm in AFL nowadays.
Ed Curnow - Good again yesterday. Had several opponents during the day before settling on Simpkin and did a number on him. Was our best player in the last. Just worked his arse off.
Sam Docherty - Had difficult time of it with the "Tiger King" tag. Also his disposal was uncharacteristically shabby.
Michael Gibbons - Battled hard and did a couple of nice things. A real soldier but not one of his better games.
Liam Jones - Played OK I thought. Got on top of Larkey in the end when the pressure was on.
Matthew Kennedy - Had a real good game. Just worked hard at every contest and hit the scoreboard. Good decision making and no stuff ups this week that I recall.
Jack Martin - Another with his worst game for the year. Flying for marks when he shouldn't, missing targets and missing goals he would ordinarily swallow. That last quarter miss from the double 50 was a shocker.
Mitch McGovern - Useless. No other word for it. Apart from one goal assist as useless as Moore. We were a man down even before he went off. One really interesting moment if you watch the replay is in the 2nd qtr when he fumbles the ball on half forward (one of the few times he gets close to it) and just loses it. Crippa just rips into him. Unsavoury look.
Callum Moore - Worse selection since Darcy Lang. Just like a an Auskick kid playing.
Marc Murphy - Was having real bad one again but his last quarter was good. Plenty ahead of him in the useless stakes.
Jack Newnes - His usual good bad and ugly game but he kicks goals nearly every game and some of his work is outstanding. I think we just have to live with his errors. A bit like Jones.
Sam Petrevski-Seton - This bloke worries me. Has the skills but not the intensity. I find myself screaming at the TV at him more than anyone else in the team. Just like Newnes, some good bad and ugly.
Marc Pittonet - Great game. He was the reason we were all over them in the 1st. His breaks from play cost us.
Lachie Plowman - That's 2 good games in a row for Lachie. His work in the last was awesome.
Will Setterfield - BOG. Just used the ball really real well. Seemed very cool under pressure and continues to do the hard work. Has really surprised me. I hope he keeps it up.
Kade Simpson - Solid game by the old champ. Still capable of some great one-percenters.
Sam Walsh - Building up his form nicely. In our best I thought.
Jacob Weitering - Bar one lapse in concentration, tool Brown to the cleaners. Just another scalp in his career best year to date.
Tom Williamson - Love this guy but yesterday was not one of his best games. Still there was one bit of play where he attacked and swooped up the ball and shot out a beautiful handball to advantage. It was spectacular. Still need to stick with him.
Other observations. Foxtel camerawork is woeful. Considering the number of players having an off day and IMO having 2 good quarters of football we did well to win. We went better in the wet. 3rd Quarter was by far the umpires worst.Great crowd presence and you could not hear the theme song after the win with the volume of the boos at the umps from our supporters.
Pretty spot on. I also worry about Samo, looks as lazy and soft as all get out, but laid 6 tackles yesterday which I love. He is a conundrum, I don't see the creative stuff everyone else sees as a big deal. Just going at the minute for mine.
You are free to love and loath whomever you please. Your views on Pagan have been known for years. Pagan is a 2 time premiership coach. Malthouse 3 times. They aren't hacks.
This is great thing about having a selective memory. You forgot to mention that Pagan is also the proud owner of 2 spoons. How many spoons for Mr craphouse? Definitely contributed to one of ours. Didn't he get also get one at Collingwood? Hmmm, their record suddenly doesn't look so flash.
Don't just highlight their successes, they've been extremely lucky with some of the teams that have been handed to them. craphouse with basically a state team at WC and the Dark Lord with Carey and co. Both have been found wanting when needing to work with a team that doesn't suit the way they want to play.
They're both hacks, but the Dark Lord is the king when it comes to ineptness. C%ck of the highest order...
Yep, I'm on Spanners side here, Malthouse was never committed to the position (as shown by his book tour) and only did it from selfish bloodymindedness the Eddie and Bucks. His use by date had expired. The real mistake was sacking Ratten, exacerbated by replacing him by the lord of gibberish.
This is great thing about having a selective memory. You forgot to mention that Pagan is also the proud owner of 2 spoons. How many spoons for Mr craphouse? Definitely contributed to one of ours. Didn't he get also get one at Collingwood? Hmmm, their record suddenly doesn't look so flash.
Don't just highlight their successes, they've been extremely lucky with some of the teams that have been handed to them. craphouse with basically a state team at WC and the Dark Lord with Carey and co. Both have been found wanting when needing to work with a team that doesn't suit the way they want to play.
They're both hacks, but the Dark Lord is the king when it comes to ineptness. C%ck of the highest order...
I "met" Pagan at a function when he first started as Carlton coach. At the time, I genuinely thought he was a good fit to steer us through the salary cap crapstorm. He walked passed our table on his way to the bath room and I extended my hand to him and said "welcome to our club Denis, you are the perfect fit for our list" to which he ignore my hand and replied rather narkely "and your an expert are ya" and kept walking passed. I was stunned and from that point I lost all respect for him. If I had my time again, I would have launched myself at the old kent and given him the hiding he deserved. An absolute tool.
This is great thing about having a selective memory. You forgot to mention that Pagan is also the proud owner of 2 spoons. How many spoons for Mr craphouse? Definitely contributed to one of ours. Didn't he get also get one at Collingwood? Hmmm, their record suddenly doesn't look so flash.
Don't just highlight their successes, they've been extremely lucky with some of the teams that have been handed to them. craphouse with basically a state team at WC and the Dark Lord with Carey and co. Both have been found wanting when needing to work with a team that doesn't suit the way they want to play.
They're both hacks, but the Dark Lord is the king when it comes to ineptness. C%ck of the highest order...
No coach will get anywhere without good cattle. Pagan's 2 spoons are at Carlton, which should not come as a surprise. At North and as a reserves and U/19 coach, he was quite successful. With Malthouse, I can't be bothered checking, but I don't think he has any spoons at any of his 4 clubs, but happy to be corrected by someone who knows. You should be aware that he took 2 clubs to Grand finals, 7 Gf appearances in total, 3 flags. His last season of coaching Collingwood, the team had a 20/2 win/loss and a % of 167.7, which is still the highest of any team since 2000. Now if that's the record of a hack, I'd like to know what a very good coach looks like.
Fascinating as Pagan and MM may be, I think we are starting to drift off topic guys.
Fascinating as Pagan and MM may be, I think we are starting to drift off topic guys.
Sorry, I am most likely the main offender this time.
Sorry to get back on topic. Just finished watching the game again. A bit better look gives a new perspective.
Eddie Betts - Definitely his worst game for the year. No impact and was getting very frustrated by a number of things.
Levi Casboult - Another quiet one. After that first goal I thought that would get his confidence up but just got continually out-muscled by his opponent. Didn't give a yelp. Think we all agree, he needs to be the change ruckman. Plays better when that's the case and God knows the Moore experiment was an unmitigated disaster.
Patrick Cripps - After the twat-knot went onto him, his influence was negated significantly. Still the Anderson move was a negative for Norf. He was getting plenty of it in the first. Robbing Peter to pay Paul really.
David Cuningham - Kudos to Cunners. Our best forward by far and has a really good boot. Special mention for his behaviour after he kicked that first goal from the McMillan shank handball. Instead of rubbing his nose in it he just jogged back to position. A refreshing change from the norm in AFL nowadays.
Ed Curnow - Good again yesterday. Had several opponents during the day before settling on Simpkin and did a number on him. Was our best player in the last. Just worked his arse off.
Sam Docherty - Had difficult time of it with the "Tiger King" tag. Also his disposal was uncharacteristically shabby.
Michael Gibbons - Battled hard and did a couple of nice things. A real soldier but not one of his better games.
Liam Jones - Played OK I thought. Got on top of Larkey in the end when the pressure was on.
Matthew Kennedy - Had a real good game. Just worked hard at every contest and hit the scoreboard. Good decision making and no stuff ups this week that I recall.
Jack Martin - Another with his worst game for the year. Flying for marks when he shouldn't, missing targets and missing goals he would ordinarily swallow. That last quarter miss from the double 50 was a shocker.
Mitch McGovern - Useless. No other word for it. Apart from one goal assist as useless as Moore. We were a man down even before he went off. One really interesting moment if you watch the replay is in the 2nd qtr when he fumbles the ball on half forward (one of the few times he gets close to it) and just loses it. Crippa just rips into him. Unsavoury look.
Callum Moore - Worse selection since Darcy Lang. Just like a an Auskick kid playing.
Marc Murphy - Was having real bad one again but his last quarter was good. Plenty ahead of him in the useless stakes.
Jack Newnes - His usual good bad and ugly game but he kicks goals nearly every game and some of his work is outstanding. I think we just have to live with his errors. A bit like Jones.
Sam Petrevski-Seton - This bloke worries me. Has the skills but not the intensity. I find myself screaming at the TV at him more than anyone else in the team. Just like Newnes, some good bad and ugly.
Marc Pittonet - Great game. He was the reason we were all over them in the 1st. His breaks from play cost us.
Lachie Plowman - That's 2 good games in a row for Lachie. His work in the last was awesome.
Will Setterfield - BOG. Just used the ball really real well. Seemed very cool under pressure and continues to do the hard work. Has really surprised me. I hope he keeps it up.
Kade Simpson - Solid game by the old champ. Still capable of some great one-percenters.
Sam Walsh - Building up his form nicely. In our best I thought.
Jacob Weitering - Bar one lapse in concentration, tool Brown to the cleaners. Just another scalp in his career best year to date.
Tom Williamson - Love this guy but yesterday was not one of his best games. Still there was one bit of play where he attacked and swooped up the ball and shot out a beautiful handball to advantage. It was spectacular. Still need to stick with him.
Other observations. Foxtel camerawork is woeful. Considering the number of players having an off day and IMO having 2 good quarters of football we did well to win. We went better in the wet. 3rd Quarter was by far the umpires worst.Great crowd presence and you could not hear the theme song after the win with the volume of the boos at the umps from our supporters.
Agree with all of that except from my memory I think you're being a touch kind to Plowman.
Trouble is with guys like him and Jones who have a tenancy to st!t the bed on a semi- regular basis it can "infect" young guys coming in like Williamson.
I'm just happy to see his body holding up.
Got a funny feeling in a couple of years time, teams will be really concerned with what to do with Cripps, Setterfield and Kennedy in the centre bounce
Not to mention Walshy flashing through the middle, Fisher, and Cunners. Our next crew will include the likes of Stocker, Honey, Philpy, and Kemp (all speculative of course).
Ever wwhenondered why you have so many complaints made against you ? There's certainly some stupidity around here, but not from me. Peanut.
Awww, poor Paulie can't take it. If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.
Imagine you of all people calling someone a peanut. They call that an oxymoron. You talk crap then get upset when people call you out on your rubbish. I laugh at people like you.
10-9 v 4 from 43 and you call others a peanut. Got no argument so "peanut" is what you resort to.
Crippa charged by MRO for Anderson incident.
Can you believe that?
Awww, poor Paulie can't take it. If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.
Imagine you of all people calling someone a peanut. They call that an oxymoron. You talk crap then get upset when people call you out on your rubbish. I laugh at people like you.
10-9 v 4 from 43 and you call others a peanut. Got no argument so "peanut" is what you resort to.
Me calling you a peanut is most certainly not an oxymoron, but if you remove the "oxy", the word that remains is certainly an accurate description of you.
Crippa charged by MRO for Anderson incident.
Can you believe that?
Fffen joke the MRO. Cripps gets wrestled on a regular basis most weeks just trying to play the game. Imagine if they fined them every time this happened?
Fffen joke the MRO. Cripps gets wrestled on a regular basis most weeks just trying to play the game. Imagine if they fined them every time this happened?
Common sense would suggest Anderson's studs up assault should get him a holiday
Yet no mention 🤬
Common sense would suggest Anderson's studs up assault should get him a holiday
Hasn't even been mentioned as far as I know, so unlikely. If only it was Toby Greene using the boot.
Dusty Martin and Dom Sheed both punched opponents in the mid section... any report news on them?
Norf would want to be careful and STFU, the footage going around about what they did to Cripps off the ball is very, very ordinary. We haven't heard the last of the studs up incident either.
Dusty Martin and Dom Sheed both punched opponents in the mid section... any report news on them?
Nope.
Walsh coped a fist to the neck/ head too. That's why he decked his opponent (?? Pittard) and of course, got pinged 😠
Norf would want to be careful and STFU, the footage going around about what they did to Cripps off the ball is very, very ordinary. We haven't heard the last of the studs up incident either.
Not so sure about the studs up thing. Samo copped similar v dogs. The result 🙈🙉🙊
Nope.
Walsh coped a fist to the neck/ head too. That's why he decked his opponent (?? Pittard) and of course, got pinged 😠
Walsh should have hit him harder.. Something about Pittard that requires a more aggressive response..
It's a football forum. The fact that none of us know the full story doesn't prevent us having a discussion, it doesn't prevent us from speculating, and it doesn't prevent us from taking a discussion to something beyond simplistic name calling, or simplistic conceptualizing.
If we knew the answers, the CSC wouldn't exist.
There’s discussion, and there’s bottomless, endless, pointless speculation of intangibles that can, will and never could be anything other than meaningless point scoring opportunities on a forum.
Good luck.
Norf would want to be careful and STFU, the footage going around about what they did to Cripps off the ball is very, very ordinary. We haven't heard the last of the studs up incident either.
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Cripps gets the same attention Judd experienced and understands he is going to have to deal with it. How about we tag and double man attack the opponents most effective mid to the point they mentally explode.
Norf would want to be careful and STFU, the footage going around about what they did to Cripps off the ball is very, very ordinary. We haven't heard the last of the studs up incident either. Sorry Prof. I typed this text. I don’t know what I did wrong. Not making it look like your work.
Why have we not heard the last of Cripps’ treatment or the studs in guts? Is there a report to be made or?
The implication is that Norf were stiff and "woz robbed" by the reversed kick, but a few unlikely allies (eg Robbo, of all people) appear to be taking up the cudgels about other incidents in the game, especially those concerning Cripps. This is going to be on like donkey Kong I reckon.
https://coupler.foxsports.com.au/api/v1/article/amp/afl/afl-2020-round-8-analysis-talking-points-reaction-top-stories-patrick-cripps-holding-the-man-alastair-clarkson-hawthorn-problems/news-story/f83fc4ce02272954857515faf933d726
Not sure if I've got the link right. If not check fox sports news online.
Interesting indeed. I see what you are referring to prof
The implication is that Norf were stiff and "woz robbed" by the reversed kick, but a few unlikely allies (eg Robbo, of all people) appear to be taking up the cudgels about other incidents in the game, especially those concerning Cripps. This is going to be on like donkey Kong I reckon.
I doubt it Prof.
https://coupler.foxsports.com.au/api/v1/article/amp/afl/afl-2020-round-8-analysis-talking-points-reaction-top-stories-patrick-cripps-holding-the-man-alastair-clarkson-hawthorn-problems/news-story/f83fc4ce02272954857515faf933d726
Not sure if I've got the link right. If not check fox sports news online.
Interesting indeed. I see what you are referring to prof
Robbo is 100% correct, HTM is not paid anywhere near enough. Cripps gets hung onto week in week out at every stoppage and center bounce and the Club should risk please explain letters and even fines shouting it out vigorously from the roof tops.
Robbo is 100% correct, HTM is not paid anywhere near enough. Cripps gets hung onto week in week out at every stoppage and center bounce and the Club should risk please explain letters and even fines shouting it out vigorously from the roof tops.
I agree. It's been an issue for decades.
Norf would want to be careful and STFU, the footage going around about what they did to Cripps off the ball is very, very ordinary. We haven't heard the last of the studs up incident either.
Apparently we have taken things up with the AFL. Now we'll see if they can see what is obvious to the rest of the population.
There’s discussion, and there’s bottomless, endless, pointless speculation of intangibles that can, will and never could be anything other than meaningless point scoring opportunities on a forum.
Good luck.
If you divert your attention away from minor, puerile exchanges and focus on the broader, narrative sweep, you will see that my position has always been about fighting for what is fair and right, and fighting for correct diagnosis of problems and not just lazy scapegoating. I have no interest in point scoring, nor do I, despite claims from my accusers, have any issue with being wrong. Over 15 years and 15,000 posts, I have admitted being wrong dozens and dozens of times, most recently in relation to Eddie Betts.
Granted, it may a fight in which you and others have no interest, it may be a fight that you think is irrelevant, it may be a fight that bores you witless, but these are matters for you. You have various means at your disposal to avoid me altogether if you so choose.
Plowman was being hung onto when he was sold into trouble by Williamson too.
He was being held before taking posession, hence why he couldnt dispose of it. The new holding the ball rules, have given the umpires no where to go with holding the man. They either pay it one way, or the other.
As usual, the defenders never get the free kicks (unless your playing against Carlton).
Plowman was being hung onto when he was sold into trouble by Williamson too.
He was being held before taking posession, hence why he couldnt dispose of it. The new holding the ball rules, have given the umpires no where to go with holding the man. They either pay it one way, or the other.
As usual, the defenders never get the free kicks (unless your playing against Carlton).
Ask Harry about Carlton forwards receiving free kicks while held 😕
^^ Exactly why I stated (Unless you are playing against Carlton).
Coaches' votes :
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Coaches' votes :
No Settefield - after all the Club media was saying he was BOG!
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No Settefield - after all the Club media was saying he was BOG!
Yes, perspective is a wonderful thing as they say. Setterfield got votes from everyone in the Jim Park, bar one.
Yes, perspective is a wonderful thing as they say. Setterfield got votes from everyone in the Jim Park, bar one.
Judging by the coaches votes, it was a very even spread.
The 'bests' include 6 players usually, maybe coaches each rated him 6th best?
Given 9 players were voted in and only 1 player (1 of Curnow, Pittonet and Walsh) received votes from both coaches, i'm sure it wasn't an easy task.
FWIW, Each coach's top 3 best on ground (3, 2, 1 in the brownlow) had zero in common with the other coach.
Thats gotta be a first.
I reckon that the club should put together a highlights video of Cripps being held, tackled and thrown to the ground off the ball, as well as the studs up kick in the guts, and ask the AFL to explain what he needs to do in order to get a free.
That said, it’s disappointing that Teague and his assistants haven’t come up with a couple of decent options to deal with Cripps and Docherty being tagged.
Anyway, it was good to get a win, even if it was against a struggling North who were threatening to run over the top of us. We should be able to match any team in the comp if we can put together four quarters with intensity and composure.
Did anyone else think that it was weird watching Ben McKay? He looks so much like his twin and has the same mannerisms that I couldn’t help thinking that it was a junior competition where you lend the opposition a player or two to make up the numbers.
The highlight for me was Marc Murphy’s shepherd to allow Simmo to keep running :)
The highlight for me was Marc Murphy’s shepherd to allow Simmo to keep running :)
One of the coaches obviously loved it they gave him 5 votes.
One of the coaches obviously loved it they gave him 5 votes.
The Age writer who covered the game rated Murph as our best player and I reckon it was his best game this season. Interestingly, the report was written as if North had won :o North’s decision to play Larkey as a forward was written up as a match winning move ::)
Perhaps the deadline for Sunday’s paper was three quarter time and the writer assumed that North would run over the top of us :-\
The Age writer who covered the game rated Murph as our best player and I reckon it was his best game this season. Interestingly, the report was written as if North had won :o North’s decision to play Larkey as a forward was written up as a match winning move ::)
Perhaps the deadline for Sunday’s paper was three quarter time and the writer assumed that North would run over the top of us :-\
I think I gave Murphy votes(If I didn't he was in the mix.) but I was with the other coach rating Plowman and Kennedy high.
It's really a perspective in a game like that, do you value shovel it forward grunt work more than skills, or are you in awe of the guys who use the ball like the weather is dry.
Some of our members posted that they thought it was Pittonet's worst game, but the coaches gave him votes as did many other forum members. Weird eh? I thought it was his best game, against a serious opponent, but I thought he wasn't close to our best on the day. I think I had Setterfield high, as a good mix of grunt and ball use.
The highlight for me was Marc Murphy’s shepherd to allow Simmo to keep running :)
You'll give Spanner palpatations! (just stirring, Spanner - can't find any emoticons on desktop)
Granted, it may a fight in which you and others have no interest, it may be a fight that you think is irrelevant, it may be a fight that bores you witless, but these are matters for you. You have various means at your disposal to avoid me altogether if you so choose.
You and me are not that important Paul.
Whatever you and I think, the sun rises and sets each day, we are nothing... I can find better things to do than attempt to hold back the tide.