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Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North

Reply #135 –
Quote from: Lods on
What would you regard as a progress 'Pass' mark Paul?
Would finals be enough?

It's not really about finals. It's about the actual on field play, and putting together a series of strong, convincing commanding performances over 4 quarters, where we look in control, good ball movement, good defence, able to change gears when required, able to show a bit of physicality when required. At the moment we are still too flaky, and still have too many gaps in our play IMO. I'm sure that Teague is perfectly aware of all this.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North

Reply #136 –
Learning how to win is the most important thing we can do now. As I keep saying winners win because they win, losers lose because they lose. I think we had a massive opportunity to really bury North yesterday but we didn't know how to do it. If we kicked 5.1 in the third quarter instead of 1.5, the story would have been so much different. I thought we dominated in general play for about three and a quarter  quarters, and North had a good run in the second and got a bit lucky at the end of the third. I thought the umpires were very adept at finding the right free at the right time for North. We have a chance next week to get a head of the count next week and I think 9 wins will be enough to play finals, and if we can be 6 & 5 coming out of Perth, then we have a chance to make the finals on our own merit since 2011.
A few observations. It's taken about 8 months for Jack Martin to learn the Carlton way when kicking for goals. David Cuningham is not far off from being a very good footballer. I was so pleased he went for that goal in the last quarter after just falling short the week before. I thought studs up was a free kick. While Moore gave a good contest throughout the match, I think it might be TDK time.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North

Reply #137 –
Quote from: PaulP on
It's not really about finals. It's about the actual on field play, and putting together a series of strong, convincing commanding performances over 4 quarters, where we look in control, good ball movement, good defence, able to change gears when required, able to show a bit of physicality when required. At the moment we are still too flaky, and still have too many gaps in our play IMO. I'm sure that Teague is perfectly aware of all this.

Agree, but we are getting better imo.
Reality always wins in the end.
 

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North

Reply #139 –
No one is saying we are bloody awesome, there are quite obviously some big issues to sort out.  The lack of being about to put 4 quarters together consistently is the obvious one.

But to say it’s not completely different to when BB coached, is a fallacy.  I was a BB fan but he did not have the team playing like they are now. Teague and the players say, he tells them to take it on, make a mistake in the process but try and try again.  Footy is very much about confidence.  Had cunners kicked that goal an extra metre last week, we would’ve won.  He took his opportunity yesterday in an Ugly wet scrap, and got it that time.  The belief and confidence for him to do that again after last week, is a credit to the coach.

Time to let the BB era go.  I believed in him and his process but it didn’t yield results and ultimately the players didn’t believe in it either.  They are on board the D-train And grinding out those wins, after a heartbreaker of a loss last week, can only be a positive for that team.  Sure I’m frustrated we didn’t annihilate them but as someone else said, Port lost in Adelaide to Sts last night, maybe the game last week drained both teams.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North

Reply #140 –
Quote from: PaulP on
Yes, agree, but I see it more as baby steps than most.

We surely have to be very careful of getting too far ahead of ourselves. If we could get a taste of finals this year it would be very good for our development - as long as we don't get slaughtered that is!
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North

Reply #141 –
Quote from: Micky0 on
No one is saying we are bloody awesome, there are quite obviously some big issues to sort out.  The lack of being about to put 4 quarters together consistently is the obvious one.

But to say it’s not completely different to when BB coached, is a fallacy.  I was a BB fan but he did not have the team playing like they are now. Teague and the players say, he tells them to take it on, make a mistake in the process but try and try again.  Footy is very much about confidence.  Had cunners kicked that goal an extra metre last week, we would’ve won.  He took his opportunity yesterday in an Ugly wet scrap, and got it that time.  The belief and confidence for him to do that again after last week, is a credit to the coach.

Time to let the BB era go.  I believed in him and his process but it didn’t yield results and ultimately the players didn’t believe in it either.  They are on board the D-train And grinding out those wins, after a heartbreaker of a loss last week, can only be a positive for that team.  Sure I’m frustrated we didn’t annihilate them but as someone else said, Port lost in Adelaide to Sts last night, maybe the game last week drained both teams.

Teague has tweaked the game plan, but it is most certainly not completely different. I posted analysis from Champion Data late last year which showed this quite clearly - plus comments from Teague, plus comments from players, plus comments from assistant coaches. It's more front half, and Teague is more "player empowerment", but it's not completely different.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North

Reply #142 –
Quote from: cookie2 on
We surely have to be very careful of getting too far ahead of ourselves. If we could get a taste of finals this year it would be very good for our development - as long as we don't get slaughtered that is!

Maybe. I'm not really a fan of teams that just make up the numbers in finals, limping in with unconvincing form, then being bundled out in straight sets. I really don't see much difference between such teams and those that hang around just outside the 8. Though I certainly agree that it would help the development to play a final.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North

Reply #143 –
Really enjoying Will Setterfield's growth this season.
His awareness and vision, particularly in attack is matched by his skilful kicking and handballing. He's been building week by week. Well done to young Will 👏
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North

Reply #144 –
Quote from: PaulP on
I disagree. Good teams win consistently, display consistent good form, beat the better teams more often than not, and put weaker teams to the sword.

So thats what good teams do. Fair enough.

On the other side of the coin...
Bad team lose consistently, display inconsistent form, lose to worse teams more often than not and struggle to put any teams to the sword.

I give you carlton in 2019 (and 2018....) under Bolton.

I find it staggering that you use this as a 'reason' Teague has done little, and at the same time giving a clinical definition of Carlton under his coaching efforts.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North

Reply #145 –
Quote from: LoveNavy on
Really enjoying Will Setterfield's growth this season.
His awareness and vision, particularly in attack is matched by his skilful kicking and handballing. He's been building week by week. Well done to young Will 👏

Its amazing what a decent pre-season does and not judging him after his first season coming back from a knee injury. ;)

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North

Reply #146 –
Quote from: kruddler on
So thats what good teams do. Fair enough.

On the other side of the coin...
Bad team lose consistently, display inconsistent form, lose to worse teams more often than not and struggle to put any teams to the sword.

I give you carlton in 2019 (and 2018....) under Bolton.

I find it staggering that you use this as a 'reason' Teague has done little, and at the same time giving a clinical definition of Carlton under his coaching efforts.

As we have seen with Clarkson, even the greatest coach can't do much with average cattle and kids. I have heard many coaches say that 80% of coaching is done during the week, and there's little they can do o match day, especially now with limited runners.

Take out 30 odd games of experience from the kids, take out PIttonet, Martin, Betts etc., and put in their place Lobbe, Phillips, Mullet, O'Shea, Smedts and many others. Take a hard line long term view on development, and specifically give kids games and tough assignments, leaving oldies on the periphery. Give all that to Clarkson, or Teague, and get back to me.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North

Reply #147 –
I'd like to extend a big middle finger 👆 to the sycophants in the football media piling onto Marc Murphy for 'flopping'.  Sure,  he may have gone down fast but it was totally unnecessary contact. Get a grip tossers, we've been on the end of putrid umpiring for a long time... Where's the hue and cry about the studs up mark?   Reet reet... Crickets. 
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North

Reply #148 –
Quote from: LP on
I suppose then the timing was perfect for the white-ants to pounce and claim all the glory.

I think there is a significant overconfidence in Liddle, Lloyd and cronies, they haven't really been tested yet, for now they are living off the efforts of those who came before them, the predecessors who mostly wore the earlier pain.
Lloyd and Liddle will have their big test this trade period.....they sacked SOS, employed an office boy and will need to handle
the recruiting period on their own.
The likes of Papley, Wines, Crouch, Williams or whatever big name player is available wont be just walking into Ikon park and signing up and will need to be massaged through the gate and in some cases traded for.
Everything else is in place IMO, no excuses its judgement time for them and we had better see some quality players coming our way.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium!: AFL 2020 Rd 8: Carlton vs North

Reply #149 –
Quote from: Professer E on
I'd like to extend a big middle finger 👆 to the sycophants in the football media piling onto Marc Murphy for 'flopping'.  Sure,  he may have gone down fast but it was totally unnecessary contact. Get a grip tossers, we've been on the end of putrid umpiring for a long time... Where's the hue and cry about the studs up mark?   Reet reet... Crickets. 
Yep....that was a fairly decent push and Murphy did the right thing and milked it(Clarko would be proud)...you would be hard pressed to find a bigger knob in the comp than Pittard either. Crunch time of the match and that idiot wanted to play tough guy...Robert Walls would have the boxing gloves on Strempel style this week at training with that peroxided nuffy...