OK, so i got bored waiting for stuff to happen, so i did this exercise most have done plenty of times before.
Pick your best team.
....and pick your next best team....your 2nds.
Now we still have a few spots on our list, so i limited it to 18 each, which also allows you to fill your bench with the best of the second lot.
FWIW, I didn't include any rookies (well, not good enough anyway) and i didn't include Byrne because....well he's barely a Carlton player at this point in time.
I think everyone else fits in there nicely....even with the 2 new additions McGovern and Fasolo.
Yes, Walsh and Setterfield are likely too, but we'll wait for that to through first ;)
FB Marchbank Weitering Plowman
J. Silvagni Jones Williamson
HB Docherty Rowe Simpson
Lamb Macreadie Cuningham
C E. Curnow Cripps Petrevski-Seton
Kerridge Kennedy Polson
HF McGovern C. Curnow Fisher
Kerr Casboult Garlett
FF Fasolo H. McKay Thomas
Lang DeKoning Pickett
R Kreuzer Dow Murphy
Phillips/Lobbe O'Brien Graham
What have i got wrong? What would you do different??
Differently? Nuthin' Good team :)
Oops. I forgot Schumacher....not that he'd really push anyone out of the firsts.....or even seconds really.
Oops. I forgot Schumacher....not that he'd really push anyone out of the firsts.....or even seconds really.
Looks good but keep your powder dry, trade period aint done yet. Still hoping we will grab a Barlow type for grunt work in the guts for a year or two to help the younger blokes. Ps I'd have Murphy as a small forward with Fasolo (super headache for opposing coaches/assuming that Pickett and Garlett continue to be ...not much) and Fisher as an on-baller.
I think I read somewhere MM likely to be playing more as a back.
Cant remember where I saw it though, so maybe BS.
I think I read somewhere MM likely to be playing more as a back.
Cant remember where I saw it though, so maybe BS.
i f***n hope not. We have an abundance of backs already, Unless we are planning on trading one (some?) away, i'd play him forward.
i f***n hope not. We have an abundance of backs already, Unless we are planning on trading one (some?) away, i'd play him forward.
x2..forward is where he does his best work..
Our Firsts would give our Seconds a mother of a hiding ;)
A fit Williamson plays firsts
Ditto Pickett and Kennedy
Ditto Pickett and Kennedy
The day is coming fast where Daisy and Simmo's days are numbered (which we all knew)....
A fit Williamson plays firsts
Agree....real good footballer in the making and been missed...
For all those saying Willo et al should be playing firsts, don't forget there is room for 4 more on the bench.
BUT...who would you take out of the firsts to put him (or anyone) in the team?
FWIW, i had pickett in the team, but realised i forgot Fisher, so he got the flick.
Our Firsts would give our Seconds a mother of a hiding ;)
That is true...but how many of the 2nd players were playing firsts last year. :-\
I'll give you the tip....all of them got games in the 1's apart from Willo who was injured all year.
Forward line looks a bit slow and lumbering, Fisher the only one there who woul apply decent forward pressure
OK, so i got bored waiting for stuff to happen, so i did this exercise most have done plenty of times before.
Pick your best team.
....and pick your next best team....your 2nds.
Now we still have a few spots on our list, so i limited it to 18 each, which also allows you to fill your bench with the best of the second lot.
FWIW, I didn't include any rookies (well, not good enough anyway) and i didn't include Byrne because....well he's barely a Carlton player at this point in time.
I think everyone else fits in there nicely....even with the 2 new additions McGovern and Fasolo.
Yes, Walsh and Setterfield are likely too, but we'll wait for that to through first ;)
FB Marchbank Weitering Plowman
J. Silvagni Jones Williamson
HB Docherty Rowe Simpson
Lamb Macreadie Cuningham
C E. Curnow Cripps Petrevski-Seton
Kerridge Kennedy Polson
HF McGovern C. Curnow Fisher
Kerr Casboult Garlett
FF Fasolo H. McKay Thomas
Lang DeKoning Pickett
R Kreuzer Dow Murphy
Phillips/Lobbe O'Brien Graham
What have i got wrong? What would you do different??
Dont know the make up just yet but the ones in red I have moved on from and dont form part of the puzzle for me. They are either delisted or play in the 2s to come in if the injury list is out of control.
Dont know the make up just yet but the ones in red I have moved on from and dont form part of the puzzle for me. They are either delisted or play in the 2s to come in if the injury list is out of control.
+1
Garlett and Lang the only ones who can change my opinion.
I like this game....
I'd make no major changes, I'd swap Jones for Rowe.
I know they aren't at the club yet and so probably why you haven't included them, but Walsh and Setterfield would definitely strengthen the 2nds team, and quite possibly keep a couple of guys in the 1sts on their toes too.
Even with those two, IMO this still shows that we are still a couple of mature mids short.
I'll be interested to see if SOS agree's, and if so, who he brings in.
I reckon Kerridge has been much maligned.
His disposal has improved markedly, he is a good size and he runs for 4 quarters.....
I hope he retains a spot. And then may the best bloke get a game!
Positionally, I'd also swap Ed and Murph, but no big deal.
I reckon Kerridge has been much maligned.
His disposal has improved markedly, he is a good size and he runs for 4 quarters.....
I hope he retains a spot. And then may the best bloke get a game!
Admit he was a smidge better with his disposal in the last few games I saw him play FB but he would have to demonstrate that on a very consistent basis to turn my opinion of him around. If he could though it would be a very handy outcome for us as he is big bodied, attacks the ball and the opposition and does keep running.
Admit he was a smidge better with his disposal in the last few games I saw him play FB but he would have to demonstrate that on a very consistent basis to turn my opinion of him around. If he could though it would be a very handy outcome for us as he is big bodied, attacks the ball and the opposition and does keep running.
When he got a regular game at the end of 2017 he dominated and his DE was betters thanboth of Gibbs and Murphy.....
Given our injuries this year, he should have replaced Kennedy (injured) in Rd 2 but the powers that be....
Forward line looks a bit slow and lumbering, Fisher the only one there who woul apply decent forward pressure
Agree..I'd have Pickett starting if fit...50/50 on Fasalo too, good mark but not quick or defensively minded....maybe on the bench for him.
I think leg speed will still be an issue, McGovern, Setterfield and Fasalo adds more talent and firepower but makes us slower..
I know I'll be bagged for saying it but Wingard is that type of mid sized mobile smart X factor player we need.....McAdam might have provided similar...
Agree..I'd have Pickett starting if fit...50/50 on Fasalo too, good mark but not quick or defensively minded....maybe on the bench for him.
I think leg speed will still be an issue, McGovern, Setterfield and Fasalo adds more talent and firepower but makes us slower..
I know I'll be bagged for saying it but Wingard is that type of mid sized mobile smart X factor player we need.....McAdam might have provided similar...
EB I know its cherry picked but have a look at his highlights package on the website. Fas might not have pure leg speed, but have a look how quick he is at gathering, summing up the situation and having a ping. Obviously, we need to get him fit and he needs to get hungry.
+1
Garlett and Lang the only ones who can change my opinion.
Agree with that.
Those 2 both need a good pre-season before we judge them too hard.
EB I know its cherry picked but have a look at his highlights package on the website. Fas might not have pure leg speed, but have a look how quick he is at gathering, summing up the situation and having a ping. Obviously, we need to get him fit and he needs to get hungry.
GTC..take your point he is a smart footballer but a bit old school in that he is a lead, mark and kick type player and doesnt apply much of that forward pressure,
For sure he hasnt been that fit to apply himself in that area but will need to improve to keep his spot......maybe the new fitness bloke Russell can get him fitter.
I know someone who has worked for Collingwood and he always said Fazzy boy was one of the nicer humans at the Pies and had time for everyone....should be a fan favourite.
I'd be more impressed if he had a couple of tackles in that video.
Still he scores goals. I'm not convinced that Wright would be better than him (Wright might work harder but fasolo has more tricks).
I'd be more impressed if he had a couple of tackles in that video.
Still he scores goals. I'm not convinced that Wright would be better than him (Wright might work harder but fasolo has more tricks).
I much prefer Wright.
The day is coming fast where Daisy and Simmo's days are numbered (which we all knew)....
Yes.
in 2020
I much prefer Wright.
We'll see Paul. Fasolo has yet to endear himself and might do enough to change your mind.
Keep in mind that wrights season this year was quite disappointing but he wasn't the lone ranger. I did note his reliable kicking for goal failed him particularly after the buy.
The day is coming fast where Daisy and Simmo's days are numbered (which we all knew)....
Yes you can probably add Rowe, Casboult and Ed to that list.
If that is not the case then we are probably not improving enough or fast enough to save BB or SOS in the short term.
A lot of AFL media types are saying we are now four years away from any real success, many of the same said we were only 3 years away this time last year! It seems our 2018 has shattered their confidence in the re-build. At least we can take solace in the fact that many of them predicted Wet Toast would slide in 2018!
Keep in mind that wrights season this year was quite disappointing but he wasn't the lone ranger. I did note his reliable kicking for goal failed him particularly after the buy.
Wright doesn't have the leg speed to keep up with the chaotic game style trend, he has to work so hard pre-emptively to get into a position that he is continually kicking fatigued. I think we have two or three players in the same boat. There is some irony in seeing Daisy do so well despite his many detractors!
Agree..I'd have Pickett starting if fit...50/50 on Fasalo too, good mark but not quick or defensively minded....maybe on the bench for him.
I think leg speed will still be an issue, McGovern, Setterfield and Fasalo adds more talent and firepower but makes us slower..
I know I'll be bagged for saying it but Wingard is that type of mid sized mobile smart X factor player we need.....McAdam might have provided similar...
I don't think McGovern is slow for that size player.
Agree on Wingard, can't believe we took Fasolo and didn't look at Wingard.
Fast, skilled, good crumber which is what we need
I'd say the Guv is quick for a guy his size.....that said, plenty of mids his size these days!
That said, his primary job is to mark the ball and kick goals.
I don't think McGovern is slow for that size player.
Agree on Wingard, can't believe we took Fasolo and didn't look at Wingard.
Fast, skilled, good crumber which is what we need
Wingard would have cost 3 times as much and Fasolo cost us nothing as he is an Unrestricted Freee Agent.
Wingard would have cost 3 times as much and Fasolo cost us nothing as he is an Unrestricted Freee Agent.
Fasolo is a low risk option - big payoff if he is successful, not much lost if he isn't. Worth it IMO as he does have natural talent.
Fasolo is a low risk option - big payoff if he is successful, not much lost if he isn't. Worth it IMO as he does have natural talent.
Spot on.
Wingard is chasing big, big $$$$.
Save the coin for quality mids....
I'd say the Guv is quick for a guy his size.....that said, plenty of mids his size these days!
That said, his primary job is to mark the ball and kick goals.
Some defenders have made the mistake in the past and tried to drag him up the ground into the midfield. They found him to be very proficient when dragged there.
Forward line looks a bit slow and lumbering, Fisher the only one there who woul apply decent forward pressure
I didn't comment on this straight away, but others have started to pick up on it.
'Slow and lumburing' compared to what?
McKay is quick and agile for his height.
Curnow is quick and agile for his height
McGovern is quick and agile for his height.
Daisy is not as quick as he used to be, but quick of mind definitely....and no slouch phyiscally pressure wise.
Fasolo, well is also quick of mind. Not sure what his pressure will be like, or what his body is like, but we'll see.
Which leaves Fisher, who's pressure is elite. Not many players can stack up to his kind of pressure.
So overall they are not 'that bad'. Obviously if the defenders are all 6 foot players, by comparison they might be slow and lumbering. But relative to players their size, its a huge step up from Casboult + Silvagni.
Of course, others like Garlett and Pickett could very well play through there starting from the bench if you were so inclined.
I didn't comment on this straight away, but others have started to pick up on it.
'Slow and lumburing' compared to what?
McKay is quick and agile for his height.
Curnow is quick and agile for his height
McGovern is quick and agile for his height.
Daisy is not as quick as he used to be, but quick of mind definitely....and no slouch phyiscally pressure wise.
Fasolo, well is also quick of mind. Not sure what his pressure will be like, or what his body is like, but we'll see.
Which leaves Fisher, who's pressure is elite. Not many players can stack up to his kind of pressure.
So overall they are not 'that bad'. Obviously if the defenders are all 6 foot players, by comparison they might be slow and lumbering. But relative to players their size, its a huge step up from Casboult + Silvagni.
Of course, others like Garlett and Pickett could very well play through there starting from the bench if you were so inclined.
Pickett is a must.
Fast and can tackle.
Curnow, McKay and McGovern have to increase their tackle pressure.
Barry Hall said it did wonders for his game at the Swans.
People underestimate two things about Garlett, just how good he is when he is not injured, and just how much we kept playing him injured. Before that shoulder he was on fire, looked far better than all the other competing small forwards on our list!
But I think we have a habit of playing injured guys, especially the young ones, and I challenge those claims that doing that regular to them is good for their development. The claim is it creates adversity which teaches them to overcome, tests their resolve. I think it is 50/50 on whether it accelerates or stifles progress because the devil is in the detail and to me at Carlton the concept is being too generally applied!
People underestimate two things about Garlett, just how good he is when he is not injured, and just how much we kept playing him injured. Before that shoulder he was on fire, looked far better than all the other competing small forwards on our list!
But I think we have a habit of playing injured guys, especially the young ones, and I challenge those claims that doing that regular to them is good for their development. The claim is it creates adversity which teaches them to overcome, tests their resolve. I think it is 50/50 on whether it accelerates or stifles progress because the devil is in the detail and to me at Carlton the concept is being too generally applied!
What was his injury LP (I didn't know...)?
What was his injury LP (I didn't know...)?
Shoulder. Didn't notice the strapping he had on all year? Was worse than Judd.
Yep, wasn't able to stick tackles once he got his injury, and his confidence and game suffered. Before that he looked like a forward pressure / tackling / jumping lunatic.
I have no doubts about him having the game to be up there with the best of the best small pressure forwards.
He could be our Poppy!
Got to wonder why we didn't put hinm in for surgery, get him right and then have him for the second half of the season
Got to wonder why we didn't put hinm in for surgery, get him right and then have him for the second half of the season
I can't recall, didn't they end his season early?
I suppose because he did it so early in the season, and had shown some good form before that, they had to give him the chance.
But I agree, by half-way it was probably time to get him ready for 2019. Perhaps because Murphy was injured they couldn't afford the further loss!
Apologies that this is off topic, I didn't know where to put it. I just got my promised membership upgrade, and it is access to something called the Legends Lounge which apparently all other members also have access to. Living 2 hours drive away this is something I will never use. Just a little disappointed, I liked the idea of a free upgrade to all members when they announced it.....
Apologies that this is off topic, I didn't know where to put it. I just got my promised membership upgrade, and it is access to something called the Legends Lounge which apparently all other members also have access to. Living 2 hours drive away this is something I will never use. Just a little disappointed, I liked the idea of a free upgrade to all members when they announced it.....
No apologies required.
It's a bit of a car-sales technique, giving you something for free that you have already paid for! ;)
Yep seems that way. Forget membership upgrades, I'd settle for a few more wins
Pickett is a must.
Fast and can tackle.
Curnow, McKay and McGovern have to increase their tackle pressure.
Barry Hall said it did wonders for his game at the Swans.
Think you'll like McGovern's tackling pressure.
Think you'll like McGovern's tackling pressure.
2.4 tackles per game, 11 possies, 1.4 goals, less than 1 assist per game......will need to lift those numbers with us, wont have the entries/delivery that the Crows provide either.
Think you'll like McGovern's tackling pressure.
How many may not be the issue, the ferocity is the thing I'm looking forward to, someone aggressive in our F50.
He's not going to be a giant waiting out back of a pack for a Joe-The-Goose!
Think you'll like McGovern's tackling pressure.
I meant as a unit.
They have to harass and tackle. I’m sick to death of watching opposition players walk out of our forward line.
All three have pace, they need to build a defensive reputation.
Hamill was a beauty for it
From the AFL website:
TEAM EXPLAINED: Nic Newman's arrival will help to offset an ACL injury that is likely to rule out co-captain Sam Docherty for the majority, if not all, of 2019. Lochie O'Brien will likely play off half-back, though the Blues have also trialled Sam Petrevski-Seton in that role. Alex Fasolo and Mitch McGovern find positions up forward, while Will Setterfield adds a bigger body into a light midfield. Sam Walsh narrowly edges out fellow first-round draft pick Liam Stocker for the final place in the team, while Tom Williamson returns and goes ahead of Liam Jones on the bench to add flexibility to the side's backline. Jack Silvagni, Jarrod Pickett, Tom Bugg and David Cuningham will likely be the first in line for a recall from the reserves.
PRE-SEASON BATTLE: A four-way battle looms for three key position places down back. Jacob Weitering, Lachie Plowman, Caleb Marchbank and Liam Jones are all flexible intercept players, but may not be able to fit into the same back six. - Riley Beveridge
B: Nic Newman, Jacob Weitering, Lachie Plowman
HB: Lochie O'Brien, Caleb Marchbank, Kade Simpson
C: Ed Curnow, Will Setterfield, Marc Murphy
HF: Sam Petrevski-Seton, Charlie Curnow, Paddy Dow
F: Mitch McGovern, Harry McKay, Alex Fasolo
FOLL: Matthew Kreuzer, Patrick Cripps, Zac Fisher
I/C: Matthew Kennedy, Tom Williamson, Dale Thomas, Sam Walsh
2.4 tackles per game, 11 possies, 1.4 goals, less than 1 assist per game......will need to lift those numbers with us, wont have the entries/delivery that the Crows provide either.
Disagree, we get it in enough, just have to clean it up a little. With some genuine quality up fwd (Gov and with the improving H and CC, the goals will come.
From the AFL website:
TEAM EXPLAINED: Nic Newman's arrival will help to offset an ACL injury that is likely to rule out co-captain Sam Docherty for the majority, if not all, of 2019. Lochie O'Brien will likely play off half-back, though the Blues have also trialled Sam Petrevski-Seton in that role. Alex Fasolo and Mitch McGovern find positions up forward, while Will Setterfield adds a bigger body into a light midfield. Sam Walsh narrowly edges out fellow first-round draft pick Liam Stocker for the final place in the team, while Tom Williamson returns and goes ahead of Liam Jones on the bench to add flexibility to the side's backline. Jack Silvagni, Jarrod Pickett, Tom Bugg and David Cuningham will likely be the first in line for a recall from the reserves.
PRE-SEASON BATTLE: A four-way battle looms for three key position places down back. Jacob Weitering, Lachie Plowman, Caleb Marchbank and Liam Jones are all flexible intercept players, but may not be able to fit into the same back six. - Riley Beveridge
B: Nic Newman, Jacob Weitering, Lachie Plowman
HB: Lochie O'Brien, Caleb Marchbank, Kade Simpson
C: Ed Curnow, Will Setterfield, Marc Murphy
HF: Sam Petrevski-Seton, Charlie Curnow, Paddy Dow
F: Mitch McGovern, Harry McKay, Alex Fasolo
FOLL: Matthew Kreuzer, Patrick Cripps, Zac Fisher
I/C: Matthew Kennedy, Tom Williamson, Dale Thomas, Sam Walsh
Cant expect Marchbank to pick up big key forwards...not big or strong enough, Jones has to play IMO....
Disagree, we get it in enough, just have to clean it up a little. With some genuine quality up fwd (Gov and with the improving H and CC, the goals will come.
Need to improve our contested work, we just dont win enough football when its tough apart from Cripps and Ed Curnow and our entries are poor quality.
Cant expect Marchbank to pick up big key forwards...not big or strong enough, Jones has to play IMO....
Agreed.
People harp on about Jones' perceived weaknesses but never give credit for his strengths....
Interesting to see Gov training with the midfield group, and Setterfield having a run with the forwards. Fasolo has also spent time training with the midfield.
Jones is exclusively training defence so there is no doubt he'll be down back.
Agreed.
People harp on about Jones' perceived weaknesses but never give credit for his strengths....
True, his best down back is breathtaking, unfortunately his worst is also breathtaking... ????????
I think with a clearly defined role and confidence that others are willing and able to provide the required cover he’ll look good.
Being surrounded by regulars in the backline will help his and the reams cause no end.
True, his best down back is breathtaking, unfortunately his worst is also breathtaking... ????????
I think with a clearly defined role and confidence that others are willing and able to provide the required cover he’ll look good.
Being surrounded by regulars in the backline will help his and the reams cause no end.
Agree. Too often last year Jones was caught in two minds and looked bad. I think it was as much a result of our disorganisation at the back as anything else. If he is given a defined role and the rest of the team perform theirs he'll look a lot better imo.
Agreed.
People harp on about Jones' perceived weaknesses but never give credit for his strengths....
That's because his weaknesses - failing to kill the ball when spoiling, leaving his opponent unguarded, kicking to the opposition - generally end up with the opposition scoring.
Hopefully, he can work on those weaknesses because his strengths are admirable.
Agree. Too often last year Jones was caught in two minds and looked bad. I think it was as much a result of our disorganisation at the back as anything else. If he is given a defined role and the rest of the team perform theirs he'll look a lot better imo.
The caught in-between situation was caused by the lack of defensive run from our mids and forwards. Players like Cripps, Ed, SoJ and Kennedy can't keep up with opposition players who stream forward.
Some other Carlton players just refuse to chase with the same intensity that they show when they run forward.
The caught in-between situation was caused by the lack of defensive run from our mids and forwards. Players like Cripps, Ed, SoJ and Kennedy can't keep up with opposition players who stream forward.
Some other Carlton players just refuse to chase with the same intensity that they show when they run forward.
I agree that these are major factors. Many AFL defenders would struggle in these circumstances.
The caught in-between situation was caused by the lack of defensive run from our mids and forwards. Players like Cripps, Ed, SoJ and Kennedy can't keep up with opposition players who stream forward.
Some other Carlton players just refuse to chase with the same intensity that they show when they run forward.
That may have been a factor but it doesn’t excuse defenders being hopelessly out of position as an opposition player prepares to kick inside 50 from a free or mark.
Our defenders are often caught out position because they are indecisive and/or misjudge inside 50 kicks and their ability to get to contests. Of course, they are not helped by the slingshot rebounds arising from poor disposal by defenders and players further up the ground. Having a more capable forward line and saying goodbye to some of the worst turnover merchants should reduce pressure on our defenders. However, improving defensive structures and addressing individual defender’s one on one and team defence is essential.
Our defenders are caught out of position because they are trying to man up on a piece of grass.
This continual use zone defence is BS. Each backman has a player, stick with him and if the majority of our players beat their man then we generally win!
Simple ;D
That's because his weaknesses - failing to kill the ball when spoiling, leaving his opponent unguarded, kicking to the opposition - generally end up with the opposition scoring.
Hopefully, he can work on those weaknesses because his strengths are admirable.
Oh you had better throw in he's often left with the choice of having to man 2 or 3 forwards on his pat....that's an easy one to fix!
My Best 22 from the last 4 Drafts -
B. O'Brien Weitering J.Silvagni
H/B Williamson McCreadie Schumacher
C. Dow Cunningham Fisher
H/F Petrovski-Seaton Curnow Polson
F. Kerr McKay Walsh
R. DeKonning Setterfield Kennedy
I/C Stocker LeBois B.Silvagni O'Dwyer
My Best 22 from our first round draft picks -
B. O'Brien Weitering Goddard
H/B Plowman Marchbank Thomas
C. Dow Cripps Murphy
H/F Petrovski-Seaton Curnow Garlett
F. Picket McKay Walsh
R. Kreuzer Setterfield Kennedy
I/C Stocker Cunningham Lang Lobbe