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Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 9: Carlton vs. GWS

Reply #150 –
In any event, the next 4 weeks will determine Bolton's future...

He should get a few back this week - Simmo, Cuners, Plow.

Let's hope they wise up at the selection table!!!!

(picking Macreadie - how bloody dumb, noting not the kid's fault)
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 9: Carlton vs. GWS

Reply #151 –
Quote from: laj on
Give up. You backed the wrong horse.

4 years later, with a good young side we are still heading for the spoon with a worse record than our previous dud coaches.
Not sure what evidence you could use to back up your assertion that we are a "good young side"? I must have missed something

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 9: Carlton vs. GWS

Reply #152 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
Context.

We were heading to a spoon when Bolton took over the club.

Ratten had set his sights on top 4 and a premiership tilt.

At the time ratten got sacked we were a divided club who wasn't sure he should be sacked and history shows it was unlikely to have been the correct decision.

Applying any argument surrounding using rattens grounds for sacking works against anyone using it to argue why we should sack Bolton.  In fact its proof the playing group will not unite against a new coach.

Just to clarify.
We were 'deliberately' heading for an 'optimum list management' position when Bolton took over (although he had little impact on that)

Just as we were 'deliberately' looking for an 'optimum list management' position when Ratten took over.

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 9: Carlton vs. GWS

Reply #153 –
It worked for the libs and the messiah from the shire

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 9: Carlton vs. GWS

Reply #154 –
Quote from: Lods on
Just to clarify.
We were 'deliberately' heading for an 'optimum list management' position when Bolton took over (although he had little impact on that)

Just as we were 'deliberately' looking for an 'optimum list management' position when Ratten took over.

We were discussing the state of play when ratten was sacked although the climate in which both coaches started is a poignant point.  Both have started in a similar environment.   Sacking the coach not only didn't work actually worked against our footy club lifting itself out if the malaise it finds itself in yet again.

To prove a point, ratten is on record stating that the goal is top 4 in the year he got sacked in.  I am still yet to hear us state we are going to be defined by wins and losses under Bolton.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theage.com.au/sport/afl/makeorbreak-month-for-ratten-20120603-1zq5a.html



"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 9: Carlton vs. GWS

Reply #155 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
We were discussing the state of play when ratten was sacked although the climate in which both coaches started is a poignant point.  Both have started in a similar environment.   Sacking the coach not only didn't work actually worked against our footy club lifting itself out if the malaise it finds itself in yet again.

To prove a point, ratten is on record stating that the goal is top 4 in the year he got sacked in.  I am still yet to hear us state we are going to be defined by wins and losses under Bolton.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theage.com.au/sport/afl/makeorbreak-month-for-ratten-20120603-1zq5a.html

Did it work when Pagan was sacked?

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 9: Carlton vs. GWS

Reply #156 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
We were discussing the state of play when ratten was sacked although the climate in which both coaches started is a poignant point.  Both have started in a similar environment.   Sacking the coach not only didn't work actually worked against our footy club lifting itself out if the malaise it finds itself in yet again.

To prove a point, ratten is on record stating that the goal is top 4 in the year he got sacked in. I am still yet to hear us state we are going to be defined by wins and losses under Bolton.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theage.com.au/sport/afl/makeorbreak-month-for-ratten-20120603-1zq5a.html

Is that a good thing?  :-\ :-\
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 9: Carlton vs. GWS

Reply #157 –
Quote from: JonHenry on
Did it work when Pagan was sacked?

Nope.

It hasn't worked at all.

If anything the last time we sacked a coach that wasnt working out, and it worked was when we gave walls the lemon stars and brought back David parkin.

After that it's been one train wreck after another.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 9: Carlton vs. GWS

Reply #158 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
Nope.

It hasn't worked at all.

If anything the last time we sacked a coach that wasnt working out, and it worked was when we gave walls the lemon stars and brought back David parkin.

After that it's been one train wreck after another.

It's still a train wreck if you haven't noticed!
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 9: Carlton vs. GWS

Reply #159 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
Nope.

It hasn't worked at all.

If anything the last time we sacked a coach that wasnt working out, and it worked was when we gave walls the lemon stars and brought back David parkin.

After that it's been one train wreck after another.

Oh so it’s only a premiership that means it worked.
If that’s the case, we need to find our next coach cause this bloke ain’t winning us a flag

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 9: Carlton vs. GWS

Reply #160 –
Quote from: JonHenry on
Oh so it’s only a premiership that means it worked.
If that’s the case, we need to find our next coach cause this bloke ain’t winning us a flag

One swallow doesnt make a summer.

We spent all of one season reasonably challenging for top 4 (2011) and in that season there were signs we were not quite up to it and we finished 5th. 

We were 5 and 1 in 2012.

Our results over a longer period of time indicate that the football club was building towards that period and then during that period failed to get the future planning part of that equation correct.

This explains why we are finishing where we are over the last 5 years.  We thought a handful of first round picks would save the club last time and some of our fans are behaving the same way now and that's why they want the coach sacked. 

In reality it's much bigger than one coach.  It's the inability to stay the course on a 5 year plan for starters. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 9: Carlton vs. GWS

Reply #161 –
Notice in his presser McKay stated (paraphrasing);

"They don't want to be driven by the media, they want the response to come from within!"

This answer relates to their last three performances.

Put that in context of fans saying the media commentary and our clubs silence in the media makes no difference! Fans are in complete fantasy if they think players are either indifferent or immune to the crap people like Barrett, Hunchy, Bartlett, Darcy, Ling, McGuire, etc., etc., dish out!

Our club officials choosing to staying mum are really only making an excuse for their own discomfort in the media.
The Force Awakens!

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 9: Carlton vs. GWS

Reply #162 –
I agree. I'm also sensing a shift in mood from some fans (probably many). At some stage (maybe already for some) members will call this year a write-off. But also at some stage members will question whether it is worth continuing to pour their hard earned dollars into a club that looks like it is going backwards (from finishing 18th with a % in the 60s, that's not easy to do!). The club needs to be sedning the right messages to members and supporters in these dark times, or some (many) may be lost for good. Not to mention what this is dooing to our young supporters, for some this is all they've ever known

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 9: Carlton vs. GWS

Reply #163 –
Quote from: Thryleon on
One swallow doesnt make a summer.

We spent all of one season reasonably challenging for top 4 (2011) and in that season there were signs we were not quite up to it and we finished 5th. 

We were 5 and 1 in 2012.

Our results over a longer period of time indicate that the football club was building towards that period and then during that period failed to get the future planning part of that equation correct.

This explains why we are finishing where we are over the last 5 years.  We thought a handful of first round picks would save the club last time and some of our fans are behaving the same way now and that's why they want the coach sacked. 

In reality it's much bigger than one coach.  It's the inability to stay the course on a 5 year plan for starters.

The club still had a far more successful period under Ratten, so you have to say moving Pagan on was a success.

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2019 Rd 9: Carlton vs. GWS

Reply #164 –
Quote from: JonHenry on
The club still had a far more successful period under Ratten, so you have to say moving Pagan on was a success.

The club didn't defend Ratten in the spotlight of a media barrage of weasel words, twisted facts and spin, and it's doing the very same to BB right now!

A lot has changed, but a big chunk hasn't, it's not the coach that needs changing because any coach we get in will suffer the same fate!
The Force Awakens!