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Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #180 –
Quote from: Lods on
Well if we're such a crap team with such a crap coach it reflects pretty poorly on St Kilda and their coach who were beaten in just about every key statistic and could only beat us by 22 points ;)
As Pauline Hanson would say, "Please Explain?"
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #181 –
Quote from: Lods on
There's lots of wailing and gnashing of teeth on Carlton supporting social media this week.
There seems to be a lot more angst over this loss rather than the Adelaide one, which in my opinion was much worse.
One punter even suggested that we'd brought Walsh back to soon and he should go back to the reserves.
I think it was Ricky Gervais who said something along the lines of... "Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and everyone else is entitled to find those opinions F#ck$n ridiculous"

We're apparently a crap team with a crap coach who we need to replace.
Well if we're such a crap team with such a crap coach it reflects pretty poorly on St Kilda and their coach who were beaten in just about every key statistic and could only beat us by 22 points ;)

Yep. And perhaps we're actually a really good club simply going through a difficult, maybe growing pains, time? Perhaps making excuses (legitimate reasons - still can't get our best or near best squad on the park & the trials and tribulations of changing culture, not to mention gifting players games who don't deserve it and not rewarding good Magoo form)... is something we find difficult as we've been doing it for nigh on 23 years!

I think the severe supporter reaction to the Aints game was more due to it being 2 losses in a row.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #182 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton on
As Pauline Hanson would say, "Please Explain?"

We lost because of structure and inefficency on the day, not because their coach or their side is a much superior unit.
In fact the game could quite easily have been wrapped up by half time
Both structure and inefficiency are things that can be improved on.
The doom and gloom reaction from some folks is totally off the charts.
Our side that took the field  on the weekend will probably look substantially different by round 23....and hopefully much more efficient.
Improvement is not a linear thing it's a peak and trough thing.
There will be ups and downs but as long as the general trend is in the right direction you'r e going OK.
The time to judge that is not half a dozen rounds into the season.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #183 –
Lyon won the coaching duel when he put Sinclair into the middle, that changed the game. I seem to remember Sinclair doing a number on us several times.
Yep we won the stats but let's dive deeper...the Lyon game plan forces you to feck around with ball, go sideways, then sideways again with useless kicks as you try and pick your way through and it's perfect for a slow moving , poor kicking team like we have.
The stat count for our players was ridiculous this game...our mids had so much of the ball but no idea on what to do with it.
Lyon won this game in the coaching box and showed he hasn't lost much of his cunning since his Freo days.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #184 –
It was also watching the pitiful way we played.  The constant kicks direct to a St player Or to one of ours with 3 Sts on him.

The backwards and sideways slow slow movement to then hit the 50 and bomb It in, again. Only to watch it fly out again.

The non tackles and the getting caught constantly.

That was what was painful to watch

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #185 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Lyon won the coaching duel when he put Sinclair into the middle, that changed the game. I seem to remember Sinclair doing a number on us several times.
Yep we won the stats but let's dive deeper...the Lyon game plan forces you to feck around with ball, go sideways, then sideways again with useless kicks as you try and pick your way through and it's perfect for a slow moving , poor kicking team like we have.
The stat count for our players was ridiculous this game...our mids had so much of the ball but no idea on what to do with it.
Lyon won this game in the coaching box and showed he hasn't lost much of his cunning since his Freo days.
Richardson commented on Lyons structure at the end of the game last night. He said being at the ground, watching their defensive structure move and hold position in sync was something to see. He and Daisy Thomas both said after watching them live on Sunday, StKilda are the real deal. Daisy went with a more comical description saying something like, every time Ross dropped bait, Voss went to get it and Ross gobbled him up.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #186 –
It's a bit of a Lyon 'love-in' at the moment.
There is no doubt he is a great tactical and game day coach.
It's silly to dispute otherwise.
In fact his time away has probably enabled him to hone those skills.
He was pretty impressive in some of the analysis he used to do on 'Footy Classified'.

Can he maintain and keep the love flowing over the season is the question.
It's funny...everyone wants him now but when we had a poll on the new coach after Teague, 55 people voted and only 3 voted for Lyon.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #187 –
We need a better forward mix. Its up to the coaches to rectify it because it hasn't been working for years.

Defensive mix is top four - I rate our defence and defensive mechanisms as one of the best in the league.
Midfield mix is top six - out of form midfield that is starting to put it together need them healthy to build better cohesion but no doubt the clearance and tackling work is of high quality.
Forward mix is bottom four - We can't depend on Charlie and Harry every game - there are six players in the forward line not two and they all need to play their roles and pull their weight which they are not doing.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #188 –
Quote from: laj on
Last year we were contested bulls, dominating from stoppages. This we rank 17th for clearances. Work rate has dropped right off. Don't want it badly enough. Played one good game for the year, round 2 against Geelong.

Last year we started like a bull at the gate only to see us drop off considerably in the second half of the season. Maybe this year we are trying a slow buildup.   ::)  I think Geelong were the same and peaked at the business end of the season. Although we do need some pace on the outside.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #189 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Frustrating was Harry in the 3rd quarter trying to convert and then watching that rain maker kick that got swept away down forward...does all the hard work taking marks then just doesnt concentrate at the critical times and that proved a momentum shifter.

Yeah agree, however nothing has changed since last year or his Coleman year in his kicking style, so maybe its in his head and he is out of form goal kicking wise.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #190 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
Complryely outcoached by Ross the Boss.

Yep. Played into his hands. Blocked all the exists. As a mate of mine said that night we had no idea how to play to his game style and it looked that way.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #191 –
Quote from: pinot on
We need a better forward mix. Its up to the coaches to rectify it because it hasn't been working for years.

Defensive mix is top four - I rate our defence and defensive mechanisms as one of the best in the league.
Midfield mix is top six - out of form midfield that is starting to put it together need them healthy to build better cohesion but no doubt the clearance and tackling work is of high quality.
Forward mix is bottom four - We can't depend on Charlie and Harry every game - there are six players in the forward line not two and they all need to play their roles and pull their weight which they are not doing.

We miss Owies. He hits the scoreboard and ranked 3rd for inside 50 tackles last year.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #192 –
Quote from: blueboys_1 on
Yep. Played into his hands. Blocked all the exists. As a mate of mine said that night we had no idea how to play to his game style and it looked that way.

Malthouse effectively used a big forward press when coaching the Pies and was very effective against Lyon's style.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #193 –
Quote from: Lods on
It's a bit of a Lyon 'love-in' at the moment.
There is no doubt he is a great tactical and game day coach.
It's silly to dispute otherwise.
In fact his time away has probably enabled him to hone those skills.
He was pretty impressive in some of the analysis he used to do on 'Footy Classified'.

Can he maintain and keep the love flowing over the season is the question.
It's funny...everyone wants him now but when we had a poll on the new coach after Teague, 55 people voted and only 3 voted for Lyon.


Lyon has shown over a long period of time he can keep teams competitive and hard to beat right off the bat. Perhaps he isn't the serial killer everyone made him out to be.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
 

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #194 –
Lyon's coaching record is a mixed bag. Some terrific seasons, some ordinary ones. 2016,17,18 and 19 were ordinary by any measure. 16th, 14th, 14th, 13th respectively. 4 seasons in a row of lowly finishes has to tarnish the reputation somewhat IMO.