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Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #255
People have short memories.  Yes, we have played our best footy, since the mid 90s, under Ratts. And, yes, we were great to watch.  But, he wasn’t shafted.  His time was up.  He had lost the players.   His last game, they rolled over against a joke of a Suns team.   There was no choice.    I don’t agree with the replacement, but Ratts was gooooone.

Really?

I recall a year filled of injuries yet he still went at 50%.

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Home and away season

After finishing 5th in 2011, the club entered the season with expectations of reaching the top four in 2012; the club, and coach Brett Ratten, made the bold move of stating this expectation publicly throughout the offseason.[37] Even after the winless preseason, Carlton entered the season as the fourth favourite for the premiership with punters, behind Collingwood, Hawthorn and Geelong.[38] With wins in the first three rounds, including a ten-goal win against Collingwood in Round 3, Carlton became equal premiership favourites, and after six rounds sat second on the ladder with a record of 5–1.[39]

However, the club then lost six of its next seven games to fall to tenth on the ladder with a record of 6–7 after Round 14, which brought intense speculation in the media about the future of Ratten's tenure as coach.[40] Carlton won five of its next seven games to stay in contention for eighth place, but was eliminated in Round 22 after losing and seeing other results fail to fall favourably. The club confirmed in the week following Round 22 that Ratten's contract would be terminated one year early; Ratten remained to coach the final match before departing.[7] The club finished with an even record of 11–11. Recently retired Collingwood coach Mick Malthouse, who was rumoured throughout the season to be the most likely replacement for Ratten should he have been sacked,[40] was appointed as Ratten's replacement shortly after the season.[41]

Across the season, Carlton finished with records of:

3–6 in nine games against the eight finalists, with two wins against Collingwood and one against Fremantle; but, after Round 8 the record was only 1–6.
5–3 in eight games against the four similarly placed teams (those who finished between 9th and 13th, all of whom won between ten and twelve games).
3–2 in five games against the bottom five teams. None of the bottom five managed more than five wins for the season, but Carlton suffered upset losses against two of them: Port Adelaide and Gold Coast.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #256
Really?

I recall a year filled of injuries yet he still went at 50%.


3–2 in five games against the bottom five teams. None of the bottom five managed more than five wins for the season, but Carlton suffered upset losses against two of them: Port Adelaide and Gold Coast.

That Gold Coast game put the nail in his coffin.....   they rolled over and he was gone.  There was no choice

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #257
3–2 in five games against the bottom five teams. None of the bottom five managed more than five wins for the season, but Carlton suffered upset losses against two of them: Port Adelaide and Gold Coast.

That Gold Coast game put the nail in his coffin.....   they rolled over and he was gone.  There was no choice

Bollocks. There is always choice.

After three consecutive top 8 finishes?

He was shafted.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #258
Bollocks. There is always choice.

After three consecutive top 8 finishes?

He was shafted.


The Gold Coast was the final nail.  He was a dead man walking by the north melbourne game (which we lost spectacularly).

It was shifting a then starting forward Henderson to defense when north got a run on and left him there which gave us no targets in 50.

The real problem happened after the bombers game I think where relationships were tested due to our fitness regime leading to the demise of cordy.

Like I said before.  We only see the football reasons to sack a coach.  None of the internal politics, relationships and power struggles and whispering in corners that occur like every other office.

Ratten had his flaws.  Remember Marcus Davies?  He started a final instead of chris Yarran in 2011.  That move might have been the one that cost ratten his job.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #259
I think we're playing Essenscum this weekend and re-hashing the Ratten sacking isn't terribly relevant - apart from the way the Drug Cheats monstered us and broke Carrots scapula.  If you want to debate the Ratten sacking, take it to the coaching thread.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #260
I think aside from this week we don't look likely to win too many for a few weeks.

Really thats what was the problem with Bolton at the end.  The team didn't believe they could win as much as anything else and then lost winnable games.

This is a real test.  Pummel the bombers as expected and we are good.  Have a neither here nor there win and we are in all sorts.

A loss...  well the story writes itself really.

If the players don’t all really put in for this one then I would have to conclude that they probably want TT gone or at least don’t care.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #261
If the players don’t all really put in for this one then I would have to conclude that they probably want TT gone or at least don’t care.

He's been pretty firm in saying he believes in this group.
It's probably fair enough to ask them to show they believe in him.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #262
He's been pretty firm in saying he believes in this group.
It's probably fair enough to ask them to show they believe in him.

The best way to achieve that is to select 22 players that are in form, match up well with the opposition and make up a balanced side.

Tweaking the gameplan to improve team defence and forward 50 entries would help.

Scouting the opposition and going into the game with a plan to negate their strengths and exploit their weaknesses would help too.  So would reacting more quickly to counter opposition tactics/advantages.

Finally, ensuring that the players are at optimal arousal levels for the opening bounce would go a long way towards setting up a victory.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #263
People have short memories.  Yes, we have played our best footy, since the mid 90s, under Ratts. And, yes, we were great to watch.  But, he wasn’t shafted.  His time was up.  He had lost the players.   His last game, they rolled over against a joke of a Suns team.   There was no choice.    I don’t agree with the replacement, but Ratts was gooooone.

11-11 was just a flat year Like Hardwick had in 2016 and Bomber in 2006. You don't lose the players at 11-11 you just have a flat year, especially in a year we were crippled with injury like no other.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #264
If we finish the season anywhere near a 33% win ratio of 7 or 8 wins only, Teague should go.

He has time to turn it around....but if he can't find the key to switching on the guys for 4 full quarters, he's not up to it.

Not this time for me. He's got a side with a bad culture and the only ones who can beat that is the players themselves. Every coach we've had this century hasn't been able to switch the side on for 4 qtrs. Ratts was the closest.

This is where we trade out players who don't work hard enough irrespective of ability. One need to shake player motivation somehow. Had to change the coach last time to at least start winning games, now this time it's the players.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #265
Not this time for me. He's got a side with a bad culture and the only ones who can beat that is the players themselves. Every coach we've had this century hasn't been able to switch the side on for 4 qtrs. Ratts was the closest.

This is where we trade out players who don't work hard enough irrespective of ability. One need to shake player motivation somehow. Had to change the coach last time to at least start winning games, now this time it's the players.

Bad culture? You’ve got to be joking!

Blokes are played out of position, our team is unbalanced, our tactics are poor and the coaching box is slow to react to what’s happening on the field.

More aggressive, proactive coaching and sensible team selection and we won’t have a “culture problem”!
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #266
Bad culture? You’ve got to be joking!

Blokes are played out of position, our team is unbalanced, our tactics are poor and the coaching box is slow to react to what’s happening on the field.

More aggressive, proactive coaching and sensible team selection and we won’t have a “culture problem”!

Not a bad culture on-field. Are the fkn serious? What have you been watching for 20 years. FMD!

This side hasn't been properly motivated for 20 years with 5 coaches, better under some than others, more with
Ratts, who is also learning what a bad culture can do at St.Kilda. Teague is by far our 2nd best coach, win/loss this century. Motivation, hunger, drive, comes from within. You can have players in the right positions (which I would like admittedly), have whatever you want with the coaching, if the players don't want it badly enough, don't have the drive or hunger, you are going no-where. That is the same with any sport.

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #267
I know its not the right thread but Ratten was stiff to get flicked IMO, didnt really have the cattle and got the best out of what he had without much support.
You look back at the assistants and like Teague its slim pickings with our old friend John Barker front and centre again...
We are quick to sack coaches but should have been quicker to sack some assistants.....

 

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #268
Owies, Dow and Parks in,

 Murf ,Williams [ injured} and SPS out. (omitted)

Re: Pre game postulations: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs the Drug Cheats

Reply #269
In: Paddy Dow, Matthew Owies, Luke Parks
Out: Marc Murphy (injured), Zac Williams (injured), Matthew Kennedy, Sam Petrevski-Seton

Emg: Kennedy, Petrevski-Seton, Will Setterfield and Tom Williamson