Carlton Supporters Club

There's lots of wailing and gnashing of teeth on Carlton supporting social media this week.
There seems to be a lot more angst over this loss rather than the Adelaide one, which in my opinion was much worse.
One punter even suggested that we'd brought Walsh back to soon and he should go back to the reserves.
I think it was Ricky Gervais who said something along the lines of... "Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and everyone else is entitled to find those opinions F#ck$n ridiculous"

We're apparently a crap team with a crap coach who we need to replace.
Well if we're such a crap team with such a crap coach it reflects pretty poorly on St Kilda and their coach who were beaten in just about every key statistic and could only beat us by 22 points

I don't understand the fixation with statistics.  If they are an accurate reflection of the game then we should have won.

Football statistics don't show whether a disposal by hand or foot was effective or whether it caused a turnover resulting in a goal; whether the ball was kicked sideways or backwards to no effect; whether a ruck tap was to our advantage etc, etc.

Until there is ever a meaningful breakdown of the statistics I regard them as being covered by the saying "lies, damn lies and statistics".

I don't understand the fixation with statistics.  If they are an accurate reflection of the game then we should have won.

Football statistics don't show whether a disposal by hand or foot was effective or whether it caused a turnover resulting in a goal; whether the ball was kicked sideways or backwards to no effect; whether a ruck tap was to our advantage etc, etc.

Until there is ever a meaningful breakdown of the statistics I regard them as being covered by the saying "lies, damn lies and statistics".

Lyon won the coaching duel when he put Sinclair into the middle, that changed the game. I seem to remember Sinclair doing a number on us several times.
Yep we won the stats but let's dive deeper...the Lyon game plan forces you to feck around with ball, go sideways, then sideways again with useless kicks as you try and pick your way through and it's perfect for a slow moving , poor kicking team like we have.
The stat count for our players was ridiculous this game...our mids had so much of the ball but no idea on what to do with it.
Lyon won this game in the coaching box and showed he hasn't lost much of his cunning since his Freo days.

Spot on. Yep and as usual with our club another dumb decision in passing on Lyon who while he may coach a non exciting game plan did get 2 separate lists into GFs and if not for a cruel bounce would be a premiership coach and yet we decided to run with a champion player but a man that failed miserably the last time he was head coach.

Typical.

It's a bit of a Lyon 'love-in' at the moment.
There is no doubt he is a great tactical and game day coach.
It's silly to dispute otherwise.
In fact his time away has probably enabled him to hone those skills.
He was pretty impressive in some of the analysis he used to do on 'Footy Classified'.

Can he maintain and keep the love flowing over the season is the question.
It's funny...everyone wants him now but when we had a poll on the new coach after Teague, 55 people voted and only 3 voted for Lyon.

We had way more disposals and they had four more inside 50's........ WTF were we doing with all that ball?......having kick to kick in the middle and across half back? That is a coaching fail.....its not a talent issue, either the players are stupid and cant follow directions or the directions are wrong.
Is Lyon a genius..No..... Are we dumb...Yes

Im not sure Lyon was the full problem it was more the response from our coaching box or lack of and as GTC suggested Voss just seemed to be reacting how Lyon wanted when he made moves and spent the afternoon reacting rather than being proactive.
We seem to lack forward planning or our scouting is poor....Collingwood just snuck home the previous week with the Daicos kids getting ridiculous stats and heavily losing the stat count doesnt worry Lyon as that means his game plan is working and you are being sucked into his vortex where play just goes back and forwards in an arc until its turned over by one of your poor kicking players.
We had way more disposals and they had four more inside 50's........ WTF were we doing with all that ball?......having kick to kick in the middle and across half back? That is a coaching fail.....its not a talent issue, either the players are stupid and cant follow directions or the directions are wrong.
Is Lyon a genius..No..... Are we dumb...Yes

Also as someone said above, Lyon pulled out because he wanted the job handed to him. Remember there was some sort of  commentary coming out about some allegations made against him whilst at Freo. Then he pulled out and didn’t want to interview to a panel for the job. So you think we should’ve just handed it to him rather than go thru a process. Voss had also turned our guys around.

Lyon won the coaching duel when he put Sinclair into the middle, that changed the game. I seem to remember Sinclair doing a number on us several times.

Yep, in a nutshell. Sinclair has spanked us many times in the past.
Not entirely sure but I think Ed C had the job on Sinclair when he was at half-back? Kept him relatively quiet.
Then Ross moved him into the middle, but Voss decided Ed wasn't the option? That there is one big mistake. I don't use the "out-coached" term much but in this instance it's warranted.

I've been a Carlton supporter my whole life and no matter what happens when Carlton play against St. Kilda we just have no idea how to beat them.

It's been that way as long as I can remember, and I wasn't expecting it to change now.  Imagine wanting to slit your wrists because we lost to the form side of the competition?

I don't understand the fixation with statistics.  If they are an accurate reflection of the game then we should have won.

Football statistics don't show whether a disposal by hand or foot was effective or whether it caused a turnover resulting in a goal; whether the ball was kicked sideways or backwards to no effect; whether a ruck tap was to our advantage etc, etc.

Until there is ever a meaningful breakdown of the statistics I regard them as being covered by the saying "lies, damn lies and statistics".

Lyon's coaching record is a mixed bag. Some terrific seasons, some ordinary ones. 2016,17,18 and 19 were ordinary by any measure. 16th, 14th, 14th, 13th respectively. 4 seasons in a row of lowly finishes has to tarnish the reputation somewhat IMO.