The Aus selectors have confirmed Glen Maxwell is on the outer not through poor form on the field but poor form in the dressing room by leaving him out of the ODI squad.
They have to be kidding?..Chris Lynn is in but cant field properly due to injury, Maxwell is probably the best fielder in the country and has been in ok form in the Big Bash.
Steve Smith has said Maxwell has to train smarter....???........ok Smith and the inner circle dont like him but that doesnt mean he gets left out when his form warrants selection and then give a BS random excuse saying he has to train smarter....
An inexplicable decision ????
It is indeed a strange decision.
An inexplicable decision ????
Maybe it's a team game and he doesn't want to do what he's told?
Let's face it, it ain't the first time he's had a kick in the bum.
At 29 you would think he would have pulled his head in
An inexplicable decision ????
Far from inexplicable clearly. That we don't know the reason (exactly) doesn't make it inexplicable!
Same problem as Peter Handscomb, Brad Hodge, Dean Jones etc etc. If you choose to play for Victoria you limit your chances of playing for Australia
There has to be more to this one than meets the eye of someone like me. Maxwell appears to be doing more of the right thing and certainly has runs on the board this year.
As for Chris Lynn, he was selected on last year's form as much as anything. He has been OK in the big bash, but his fielding is not up to standard. I understand why his fielding is ordinary, but it does look a little strange.
I don't know what Maxwell can do to get back in the good books when form with the bat is not the main criterion. Very interesting to see how he takes it.
Maybe it's a team game and he doesn't want to do what he's told?
Let's face it, it ain't the first time he's had a kick in the bum.
At 29 you would think he would have pulled his head in
Take your point about him being a lone wolf but I think its team Smith with Warner and crew not liking him, we had that incident with Wade when he was the incumbent keeper batting himself above Maxwell in the state game and Maxwell let everyone know he wasnt happy and Smith came out in support of Wade.
He isnt popular IMO but that shouldnt affect selection..Bradman didnt get on with OReilly, Fingleton etc but that didnt affect picking the best team.....Maxwell is one of the best one day cricketers in the country but isnt playing because Smith and crew dont like him IMO and thats wrong....
Take your point about him being a lone wolf but I think its team Smith with Warner and crew not liking him, we had that incident with Wade when he was the incumbent keeper batting himself above Maxwell in the state game and Maxwell let everyone know he wasnt happy and Smith came out in support of Wade.
He isnt popular IMO but that shouldnt affect selection..Bradman didnt get on with OReilly, Fingleton etc but that didnt affect picking the best team.....Maxwell is one of the best one day cricketers in the country but isnt playing because Smith and crew dont like him IMO and thats wrong....
Agree, potentially he is one of the best one day players, but we have a World Cup coming up and Australia need performance not potential.
He obviously has been asked to work on aspects of his game, and he hasn't or won't.
Team Smith and Warner are captain and vice captain and if maxwell thinks he is going to pull the strings he's kidding himself
Far from inexplicable clearly. That we don't know the reason (exactly) doesn't make it inexplicable!
Inexplicable = unable to be explained or accounted for. I'd like to hear the selectors account for Maxwell's omission. They may be able make something up but I don't believe they could provide a logical, defensible argument.
I wonder if they could do better than Smith's lame attempt at 'training smarter'. I don't think 'because he's a Victorian' will work.
Inexplicable = unable to be explained or accounted for. I'd like to hear the selectors account for Maxwell's omission. They may be able make something up but I don't believe they could provide a logical, defensible argument.
I wonder if they could do better than Smith's lame attempt at 'training smarter'. I don't think 'because he's a Victorian' will work.
We seem to have a knack for breeding talented dickheads, or at the very least outspoken ones who won't toe the party line. If Maxwell was killing it in domestic cricket they'd have no choice but to pick him but alas his performances aren't at a level that will embarrass the selectors which is what Victorians need to do.
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If Maxwell needs to "work on his game" then Mitch Marsh can work on his inconsistent fielding abd lacklustre bowling.
Maxwell is a proven top line ODI player. His omission is, in simple terms, bullish1t
If Maxwell needs to "work on his game" then Mitch Marsh can work on his inconsistent fielding abd lacklustre bowling.
Maxwell is a proven top line ODI player. His omission is, in simple terms, bullish1t
I stick by "inexplicable" but "bullsh1t" would be an acceptable alternative ;)
Imagine how much better our Australian cricket teams would perform if they were picked on merit rather than the arcane formula that our selectors have used for decades (I remember my father, who played cricket for Carlton) complaining that it was harder to get out of the Test team than to get in (and the same was true for Carlton's district team). Selection was based on relationships rather than merit and it seems that nothing has changed.
I stick by "inexplicable" but "bullsh1t" would be an acceptable alternative ;)
Imagine how much better our Australian cricket teams would perform if they were picked on merit rather than the arcane formula that our selectors have used for decades (I remember my father, who played cricket for Carlton) complaining that it was harder to get out of the Test team than to get in (and the same was true for Carlton's district team). Selection was based on relationships rather than merit and it seems that nothing has changed.
Yep the selectors have had a shocking time this summer ????
He's been forked up by a batting coach trying to make him a test player.
Instead of becoming the next Doug Walters he's ended up like Bruce Laird!
His non-selection in the test team was a bigger indicator that something was up... made a ton in India and they could have easily picked him ahead of Marsh.
Smith needs his bloody head read if he thinks that blokes past their use by date like White can replace Maxwell. Bats, fields and bowls unlike the imposters taking his position.
I don't mind Mitch Marsh playing himself in, but getting out for 30 or so after playing himself in is the killing us in the middle overs.
Warner continues to get out in soft ways against pace.
Smith needs his bloody head read if he thinks that blokes past their use by date like White can replace Maxwell. Bats, fields and bowls unlike the imposters taking his position.
I don't mind Mitch Marsh playing himself in, but getting out for 30 or so after playing himself in is the killing us in the middle overs.
Warner continues to get out in soft ways against pace.
Maxwell should be promoted for the next 3 games.
White was pathetic and should never wear the baggy green again.
Batting White @7 is like asking Hazelwood to open the batting. Not what he does. Not Whites fault he got selected and played in the wrong place. Stoinis and Marsh in the one side takes away balance.
Selectors are making strange decisions
Maxwell should be promoted for the next 3 games.
White was pathetic and should never wear the baggy green again.
White can't score off enough balls.
You need a far greater range of shots.
Lyon should be playing
Kawahja should be 3.
Mitch Marsh or Stoinis should be batting 8 or 9 but can't have both playing
Maxwell should be promoted for the next 3 games.
White was pathetic and should never wear the baggy green again.
I was astounded when he was picked. I thought that his time in Australian colours was long gone.
Picking Maxwell now would be admitting a mistake ... or perhaps Smith could say that Maxwell has taken his advice onboard and is now "training smarter".
I was astounded when he was picked. I thought that his time in Australian colours was long gone.
Picking Maxwell now would be admitting a mistake ... or perhaps Smith could say that Maxwell has taken his advice onboard and is now "training smarter".
When White got picked over Maxwell everyone knew Maxy was in the sin bin and would continue to be in Coventry......agree about admitting a mistake, aint going to happen
but got no doubt he will be in the WC team along with Nathan Lyon...
Darcy Short should be in the team too....class player IMO and No 3 could be Finch or Warner......Short and Maxwell also bowl spin which seems to be handy taking the pace off the ball.
The new Pommy ODI lineup with Roy, Hales, Butler, Morgan love the quicks and dine out when the fielding restrictions are in.....time to do what they do and bowl Lyon and crew to take the pace off the ball and cause frustration that leads to poor shots. Players like Ali, Rasheed, Plunkett and Woakes look like world beaters thanks to our pathetic selection issues, I might sound biased but England aint that good and we should be doing better on our own dung heaps...
Smith has been drinking his own bathwater of late too....was trapped plumb by Root but carried on like it was a poor decision instead of checking his own technique and figuring out playing around your pads all the time will eventually lead to trouble, had a great summer but needs to concentrate better in this format and think its not going to be as easy as the test series....ditto for Warner.
Cummings and Starc have stunk in the ODI series and should be "rested".
Warner has been putrid and also needs a break, White should never, ever be picked again. Imbecilic selection.
Selectors pucked up the ODI series big time.
Cummings and Starc have stunk in the ODI series and should be "rested".
Warner has been putrid and also needs a break, White should never, ever be picked again. Imbecilic selection.
Selectors pucked up the ODI series big time.
Agree....England run two seperate teams bar a few players, Broad, Anderson dont play and I reckon Starc and in particular Hazlewood should be left out.
They need to bowl to attacking fields and look numb when players like Butler hit them out of the park and they have to bowl with no slips etc, they are not the inventive types and should play in the traditional format of test cricket only.
Lyon is a good one day bowler IMO and I cant believe he hasnt played.......
Even Mark Taylor and Michael Slater are calling for Maxwell to play and making noises about his omission being more about other things than form....
Warner looks tired and over the grind, another lazy poor shot today and I'd give him a break too and pick Darcy Short who is hungry for a chance....
Hazlewood and Starc are ranked 5 and 7 respectively in the ICC ODI rankings. The only other Australian in the top 20 is Cummins (19). Surely Hazlewood and Starc are in our best ODI 11?
Hazlewood and Starc are ranked 5 and 7 respectively in the ICC ODI rankings. The only other Australian in the top 20 is Cummins (19). Surely Hazlewood and Starc are in our best ODI 11?
Seen those rankings...Imran Tahir at No2 for Bowling and Babar Azam at No 4 for batting.....neither would get a game in my best ODI team.....
I actually prefer Cummins to either Starc or Hazlewood....Starc bowls well to the mugs in the tail but not so good to the top order IMO, gets erratic and looks moody when playing one day cricket..
Hazlewood is accurate but without the slips/gully plan lacks invention and when the batsman come at him looks a bit lost where to bowl and put his field....he is also a mug with the bat and I wouldnt call him the safest fielder either..
Cummins is a more versatile inventive bowler and handy with the bat.....better bowler when its tough than the other two IMO....
I tend to agree, big fan of Cummins in any form of the game. Hard to put a finger on it, but he always seems to be at the batsman, I would hate having to face him. I think a bigger problem is our lack of use of spinners, all the best teams have spinners that can bowl on any surface and restrict scoring and get wickets. Lyon should be playing all forms, and i would like to see Fawad Ahmed given a go in short form cricket too
Shocking bowling at the depth cost us. Smith does reasonable job as captain in the Test matches but seems lost in ODI. Bowling short at leg stump with a packed on-side field is not going to be successful late in the innings. It's not the Test matches now. Smith is a one dimensional thinker and doesn't adapt from Tests to ODI. Butler and Woakes just got their front leg out of the way and smashed us over the fence. Just dumb.
Noticed while every other Australian will go to South Africa early, missing the T20 series, Warner is staying to captain the side. Wonder if the selectors want another look at Warner as captain. His 4 games as ODI skipper in Sri Lanka he did an outstanding job. Very proactive. We lost the first game with Smith as captain, then he went home for a rest. Warner took over and we won them all.
Shocking bowling at the depth cost us. Smith does reasonable job as captain in the Test matches but seems lost in ODI.
In tests you get breaks when the coach can tell you what to do! ;)
I tend to agree, big fan of Cummins in any form of the game. Hard to put a finger on it, but he always seems to be at the batsman, I would hate having to face him. I think a bigger problem is our lack of use of spinners, all the best teams have spinners that can bowl on any surface and restrict scoring and get wickets. Lyon should be playing all forms, and i would like to see Fawad Ahmed given a go in short form cricket too
Agree on Lyon ...the English spinners are rubbish but get the job done by being reasonably tight and frustrating our blokes.
Lyon is actually a threat to take wickets and I reckon when a bowler is in red hot form you play him regardless of the format.....we need to bowl teams out, we wont be winning games by trying to defend.
re: Jim's comment on Warner being ODI captain....fully agree, its a different format and Smith doesnt think quick enough on his feet. You look at Morgan vs Root and its the same thing...Morgan is proactive, reads the game fast and is all about attack. It might help Warner get a bit more interested too, looks a candidate for a 20/20 only career doing IPL, Big Bash and other overseas big money tournaments and wanting out of the grind of representing your country, that last shot he played was a lazy dont give a stuff shot, the normal Warner would have smashed that for four instead of scooping it to cover....
Just been watching highlights of the U19 World Cup Quarter Final. Decided Zampa out, Lloyd Pope in..lol.
Against England we got rolled for 127 then Pope took 8/35 to knock England over for 96. Bowled some outstanding leg spin and wrong 'uns.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/video/cricket/cricket/next-warneys-8-wicket-haul!661588?utm_source=Social&utm_medium=Facebook&utm_campaign=FoxSportsAus
why not bring this kid into the big time....?
the result is set (in the ODIs), the kid gets wickets.
Take the plunge.
why not bring this kid into the big time....?
the result is set (in the ODIs), the kid gets wickets.
Take the plunge.
We don't even play the best we've got now!
why not bring this kid into the big time....?
the result is set (in the ODIs), the kid gets wickets.
Take the plunge.
Not sure you would pull him out of the final stages of a World Cup to play a meaningless match... and I also don’t think he has played a first class match... so he would be bypassing every other spinner in the country... and he could take 0/120 off 5 overs and 2 years later is bowling 4th change for French Island 3rd XI.
On the flip side... imagine the buzz it would generate... it would be huge!
He couldn't throw up as much crap as Starc, Gees he's putrid ATM.
Putrid batting effort again....
Senior players have been awful. Smith, Warner stunk. Marsh keeps getting out when set. Starc is bowling Shiite and batting is even worse..... A LOT of work to do before S.A. tour.
between the ears mostly....
Massive mistake playing White - a has been on a good day....
Selectors should be shot,.
Morgan is an excellent captain, players want to play for him and lift when he asks for the extra effort, his field placings and ability to attack at the right time are second to none......England could do worse than making him captain in the test team if he could hold his spot. Root is a much better player too when not given the captains role.
Think Warner has to do a Morgan and be given the ODI team to captain, Smith just doesnt have the know how or imagination to change the game at the critical moments..
Lyon has to play ODI IMO....Starc and Hazlewood maybe need resting for ODI and only turn out for test cricket and we play specialist one day bowlers.
Willey didnt take a wicket but I thought his second spell was spot on, swings the ball and was so accurate our blokes couldnt get him off the square and he paved the way for Curran to clean us up...
Think we will do better in the 20/20 games and reap the rewards of some of our players being in the BBL and we should win easily IMO......
Expect Darcy Short, Chris Lynn and Andrew Tye to be standouts.....
IPL contracts....Morgan and Root missed out as did Nathan Lyon??????....cant believe Lyon cannot get a game in the IPL.
Andrew Tye however was signed by the Kings XI Punjab for a lazy 1 million dollars, Darcy Short 775K......just shows too how the BBL is a pre show for the IPL and why
overseas players and Aus players want to play BBL...Stoinis, Lynn, Finch, Maxwell all on life changing big money ....
Chris Woakes also on 1.44 mill yet Josh Hazlewood didnt attract a initial auction bid....
Even Gayle missed out round 1.
Can't agree more EB.... Warner should be the short form captain. Smith should be taken aside and told to concentrate on test cricket - like Clarke before him his batting really isn't that suited to the short format (he normally plays himself in) and his captaincy is far to reactive and conservative.
The prediliction with pace bowling works at test level but taking the pace from the ball is the go when the hitters start swing... we seem to be looking for a new generation of allrounders with the shelving of Faulkner etc and the selectors seem loathe to fiddle with Lyon now that he is a serious threat at test level. The side really is in transition ATM.
Poms have a swag of decent seamers and two spinners (plus Root) who can swing the bat hard in the allrounder mode - we fall short in that area although Stonis, Marsh and Maxwell can do roles.
As for specialist one day bats, I can think of Finch, Lynn, Head - after that the well kind of dries up as opposed to Roy, Hale etc.
Zampa needs to start taking wickets as you can't carry specialist bowlers who are ineffective and can't bat... maybe Ahmed or Agar could get a gig instead.
Can't agree more EB.... Warner should be the short form captain. Smith should be taken aside and told to concentrate on test cricket - like Clarke before him his batting really isn't that suited to the short format (he normally plays himself in) and his captaincy is far to reactive and conservative.
The prediliction with pace bowling works at test level but taking the pace from the ball is the go when the hitters start swing... we seem to be looking for a new generation of allrounders with the shelving of Faulkner etc and the selectors seem loathe to fiddle with Lyon now that he is a serious threat at test level. The side really is in transition ATM.
Poms have a swag of decent seamers and two spinners (plus Root) who can swing the bat hard in the allrounder mode - we fall short in that area although Stonis, Marsh and Maxwell can do roles.
As for specialist one day bats, I can think of Finch, Lynn, Head - after that the well kind of dries up as opposed to Roy, Hale etc.
Zampa needs to start taking wickets as you can't carry specialist bowlers who are ineffective and can't bat... maybe Ahmed or Agar could get a gig instead.
Yes to Agar, absolutely. there's something about finger spinners that make them harder to hit.....unless you are a world class leggy, which Zampa is not. Agar is a very clean striker of the ball as well. I hope he gets a gong again in tests one day soon.
Need to can the idea of playing your test fast bowling attack in a one day series right before another huge test series vs SAF. If there's nothing scheduled, then fine. Mind you, at least they've not played all of them in all 5 matches. Mitchell Starc really needs to be playing a match or two in shield cricket, he is bowling poop atm. But there'll be none of that while the Big Bash hold court for over a month !.
Zampa has lost his mojo.... Starc?
in my opinion, clearly hampered by the foot. No more cricket until SA. There's a 3 day game before the 1st Test to find the rhythm!
Still bowls the unplayable ball nonetheless.
Was good to see Marsh bowling around 140 clicks again, the shoulder must be loosening up.
Starc is a rubbish ODI bowler, he should follow Smith out the door!
Marsh would want to be bowling 140 because there is a raft of players who'd be better middle order batting options! But lets not get carried away with Marsh, he's only bowled 18 overs in five games, when he's bowled 40 or 50 overs in five games we'll have something to talk about!
But I don't blame Marsh for the 18 overs, that's Smith's fault. Smith is still in test mode! Perhaps Smith should microphone himself up so he can have a chat and get a suggestion from the commentators!
Starc is a rubbish ODI bowler, he should follow Smith out the door!
Marsh would want to be bowling 140 because there is a raft of players who'd be better middle order batting options! But lets not get carried away with Marsh, he's only bowled 18 overs in five games, when he's bowled 40 or 50 overs in five games we'll have something to talk about!
But I don't blame Marsh for the 18 overs, that's Smith's fault. Smith is still in test mode! Perhaps Smith should microphone himself up so he can have a chat and get a suggestion from the commentators!
Starc bowls good yorkers to the tail but is a opening test bowler who needs four slips and a gully plus batsman playing defensively initially......in test cricket his wide short or legside rubbish will often be let go but not at one day level....
Hazlewood is accurate but at his pace on flat wickets is also hittable and like Starc likes to build pressure to get his wickets which vs attacking batsman doesnt work...
Dale Steyn isnt a great one day bowler either IMO and tries to bowl nice outswingers that suit attacking test fields, ditto for Jimmy Anderson and I can even remember Dennis Lillee not really the same bowler in the shorter format...
IMO specialist one day bowlers is where the game is at these days and you are really looking at bowling allrounders who can throw the bat......eg Woakes is a woeful test bowler IMO but a real good ODI cricketer and we need to get more of his type into the team. A player like Ben Cutting is probably going to be more value than a Hazlewood type.....
Starc is a rubbish ODI bowler, he should follow Smith out the door!
Marsh would want to be bowling 140 because there is a raft of players who'd be better middle order batting options! But lets not get carried away with Marsh, he's only bowled 18 overs in five games, when he's bowled 40 or 50 overs in five games we'll have something to talk about!
But I don't blame Marsh for the 18 overs, that's Smith's fault. Smith is still in test mode! Perhaps Smith should microphone himself up so he can have a chat and get a suggestion from the commentators!
Starc was Man of the Series at last World Cup with some outstanding bowling. Just a bit out of form or still injured this season. Starc has 141 and an ODI bowling average of 20.93 at an economy rate of 4.93. Outside of this year has been an outstanding ODI performer. No chance of him being dropped. He'll get back into form again.
Smith averages 42.20 at a strike rate of 86 in ODI's. Neither are going anywhere. They may swap the captaincy for Warner in the ODI's but he won't be out of the team any time soon. He too will be back in form soon enough.
Starc bowls good yorkers to the tail but is a opening test bowler who needs four slips and a gully plus batsman playing defensively initially......in test cricket his wide short or legside rubbish will often be let go but not at one day level....
Hazlewood is accurate but at his pace on flat wickets is also hittable and like Starc likes to build pressure to get his wickets which vs attacking batsman doesnt work...
Dale Steyn isnt a great one day bowler either IMO and tries to bowl nice outswingers that suit attacking test fields, ditto for Jimmy Anderson and I can even remember Dennis Lillee not really the same bowler in the shorter format...
IMO specialist one day bowlers is where the game is at these days and you are really looking at bowling allrounders who can throw the bat......eg Woakes is a woeful test bowler IMO but a real good ODI cricketer and we need to get more of his type into the team. A player like Ben Cutting is probably going to be more value than a Hazlewood type.....
Yes, the way they bat these days in ODI's pace off the ball is a necessity. Two spinners i'd play these days and no more than two 140k+ bowlers at the very most.
Yes to Agar, absolutely. there's something about finger spinners that make them harder to hit.....unless you are a world class leggy, which Zampa is not. Agar is a very clean striker of the ball as well. I hope he gets a gong again in tests one day soon.
Need to can the idea of playing your test fast bowling attack in a one day series right before another huge test series vs SAF. If there's nothing scheduled, then fine. Mind you, at least they've not played all of them in all 5 matches. Mitchell Starc really needs to be playing a match or two in shield cricket, he is bowling poop atm. But there'll be none of that while the Big Bash hold court for over a month !.
Actually i'd pick Lyon and one of our best T20 Big Bash bowlers, either Fawad Ahmed or Mitchell Swepson. Both have been very good. Leggies have done well in the BBL. Rashid proved to be trouble in the recent ODI series. I'd play two spinners these days. Australian have to move with the times in regards to ODIs.
Actually i'd pick Lyon and one of our best T20 Big Bash bowlers, either Fawad Ahmed or Mitchell Swepson. Both have been very good. Leggies have done well in the BBL. Rashid proved to be trouble in the recent ODI series. I'd play two spinners these days. Australian have to move with the times in regards to ODIs.
Agree on the spinners, the leggies do well in the BBL and even Moeen Ali who cant spin a ball to save himself is harder to hit than some of our quicks because the pace is off the ball and he just fires the ball in looking to concede singles with the field set back.
Agree also on Lyon and I like Swepson but I dont want a tail of bowlers who cant bat so I would probably go Lyon and Agar.
On another cricket issue I reckon Chad Sayers has been real unlucky not to get a touring spot to SA....I think his bowling is very Philander like and he would also do well in England.
He is different to our other quicks in that he pitches the ball up and looks for seam and swing rather than banging the ball in trying to bounce batsman and I think we need variety.
Not a fan of Trevor Hohns and while he has picked Paine and Marsh to good effect this series I think he plays favorites and often players get overlooked who are not either popular with other players or who dont have the right connections and I reckon Sayers omission has more to do with the fact he is good mates with Darren Berry who has had a long running battle with Trevor Hohns.
As EB mentioned the Woakes type who can bowl and slog 20 or 30 is all the rage. Coulter-Nile bowls slippery pace and can swing lustily might be worth a go, but I think his shoulder is bust ATM? That's the kind of bowler you need to be thinking about for modern ODI squads.
The days of Malinga, Lee, Tait and the Pakis bowling screaming Yorkers and going through sides with 150 + km/hr stuff seems to be part of a previous era now - the rubbish is too easily put away and the edges and mis-hits go for boundaries.
As EB mentioned the Woakes type who can bowl and slog 20 or 30 is all the rage. Coulter-Nile bowls slippery pace and can swing lustily might be worth a go, but I think his shoulder is bust ATM? That's the kind of bowler you need to be thinking about for modern ODI squads.
The days of Malinga, Lee, Tait and the Pakis bowling screaming Yorkers and going through sides with 150 + km/hr stuff seems to be part of a previous era now - the rubbish is too easily put away and the edges and mis-hits go for boundaries.
I'm 100% in agreement.
I'm not claiming Starc wouldn't be effective when conditions suit, but conditions have to suit him and in most countries 8 out of 10 games don't suit him. For me the ODI Coutler-Niles and Stoinis types need more exposure and it should come at the expense of players like Smith, Marsh and Starc.
I read an article today in which Smith allegedly questioned England's tactics stating they may not hold up. But he's hardly in a position of strength to make such a sweeping statement. I suspect he's been coached to make a statement that is nothing more than deflection!
I'm 100% in agreement.
I'm not claiming Starc wouldn't be effective when conditions suit, but conditions have to suit him and in most countries 8 out of 10 games don't suit him. For me the ODI Coutler-Niles and Stoinis types need more exposure and it should come at the expense of players like Smith, Marsh and Starc.
I read an article today in which Smith allegedly questioned England's tactics stating they may not hold up. But he's hardly in a position of strength to make such a sweeping statement. I suspect he's been coached to make a statement that is nothing more than deflection!
Starc's never had an ODI issue in any country hence his outstanding average, economy and strike rate. As for Tests, his best Series comfortably was the last Sri Lankan Tour.
Starc's never had an ODI issue in any country hence his outstanding average, economy and strike rate. As for Tests, his best Series comfortably was the last Sri Lankan Tour.
Starc's a good ODI bowler, a great finisher to the low order, but I think he's well away from where we need him to be when bowling to the top order.
Starc's figures are greatly bolstered by those cheap wickets he picks up at the bottom end of the innings. Not that isn't in someway valuable but the figures are distorted, when you drill down from the general match stats into the details this becomes quite apparent. Lots of those four wicket hauls are three tail enders.
We need another bowler or two that make it harder for the top order, for the tail end I'd back in most of our better ODI and 20/20 bowlers to clean up the tail if they were given the opportunity!
Starc's a good ODI bowler, a great finisher to the low order, but I think he's well away from where we need him to be when bowling to the top order.
Starc's figures are greatly bolstered by those cheap wickets he picks up at the bottom end of the innings. Not that isn't in someway valuable but the figures are distorted, when you drill down from the general match stats into the details this becomes quite apparent. Lots of those four wicket hauls are three tail enders.
We need another bowler or two that make it harder for the top order, for the tail end I'd back in most of our better ODI and 20/20 bowlers to clean up the tail if they were given the opportunity!
That lower order stuff is a myth. He gets alot at the top order too. Brendon McCullum will testify to that. In the preliminary game too he single handed near won the game for Australia after we only made 150. Good reason he was Man if the Series at the last World Cup. He has 141 ODI wickets, economy rate of 4.93 a strike rate of a very low 25 balls per wicket. You don't get that just bowling out the lower order.
Hate to say it but this pie chart makes you claims about Starc look very wrong. Bottom order wickets you say?...lol.
http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerWicketAnalysisGraph_ODI.asp?PlayerID=3830
As predicted, Langer is a lying snake. Just pick the WA state side and forget a "national team".
Wouldn't pick Maxwell because he hasn't scored enough runs (I can understand that), and "he's 30". Has also pigeon hole him as a "frustrating cricketer" yet continually pushes up the Marsh brothers, one old enough to be a grandparent and both the epitome of frustration.
Predicted this kind of BS pre his appointment. Every time he opens his mouth it's BS and obsfucation.
That lower order stuff is a myth. He gets alot at the top order too. Brendon McCullum will testify to that. In the preliminary game too he single handed near won the game for Australia after we only made 150. Good reason he was Man if the Series at the last World Cup. He has 141 ODI wickets, economy rate of 4.93 a strike rate of a very low 25 balls per wicket. You don't get that just bowling out the lower order.
Hate to say it but this pie chart makes you claims about Starc look very wrong. Bottom order wickets you say?...lol.
http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerWicketAnalysisGraph_ODI.asp?PlayerID=3830
Sorry I just saw this reply.
Bottom of the Innings is not the same as
bottom of the order, low order or bottom order!When I referred to Starc
against the top order I'm discussing his bowling early in the innings against openers, my bad for the poor choice of phrase.
He collects their wickets and plenty of other wickets but often collects wickets late in the innings
often after otherwise expensive opening spells with the new ball. This has always been his issue, spraying the new ball, and in my opinion it stops him being right up their with Australia's greatest bowlers.
Predicted this kind of BS pre his appointment. Every time he opens his mouth it's BS and obsfucation.
I'm a strong cynic of his appointment and even I'm shocked at how quickly this has happened.
NSW boys must be fired up, they'll be like cut snakes as they have a bunch of redundant Baggy Green caps sitting in brown paper bags somewhere. But perhaps this is about Smith and Warner, creating an environment and results that ultimately lead to their seamless resumption, because it's hard to see much success with the Marsh boys on the front line!
That lower order stuff is a myth. He gets alot at the top order too. Brendon McCullum will testify to that. In the preliminary game too he single handed near won the game for Australia after we only made 150. Good reason he was Man if the Series at the last World Cup. He has 141 ODI wickets, economy rate of 4.93 a strike rate of a very low 25 balls per wicket. You don't get that just bowling out the lower order.
Hate to say it but this pie chart makes you claims about Starc look very wrong. Bottom order wickets you say?...lol.
http://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Players/PlayerWicketAnalysisGraph_ODI.asp?PlayerID=3830
great site, thanks!
If Maxwell had the opportunities at test level the Marsh boys got.... Any FUs from that pair in Dubai and let's see if Langer has the stones to dump his mates.
If Maxwell had the opportunities at test level the Marsh boys got.... Any FUs from that pair in Dubai and let's see if Langer has the stones to dump his mates.
It won't happen.
For example, I expect at least one or two horrible and awkward run-outs involving a Marsh through a series, given two of them might play in the same game probably even more than one or two. But you can bet it'll be the other batsmen that gets the blame! ;)
That comment about a youth focus was laughable wasn't it, given young Handscomb is out, while others in the elder statesmen bracket get to continue decade long horrible runs of form!
Maxwell’s response to his non-selection and apparent mis-management over the off season was pure class.
I hope he smashes the runs out and finally cements a place - he deserves it for his attitude alone.
Ponting certainly not pandering to the old boys club, saying it as he sees it...
https://www.cricket.com.au/news/ricky-ponting-glenn-maxwell-omission-australia-test-squad-pakistan-tour-uae-ropeable/2018-09-11
Ponting certainly not pandering to the old boys club, saying it as he sees it...
https://www.cricket.com.au/news/ricky-ponting-glenn-maxwell-omission-australia-test-squad-pakistan-tour-uae-ropeable/2018-09-11
The people laughing and smiling the most strongly about this are the opposition!
The same people who were laughing and smiling about Smith's ban!
Australian Cricket is mired in politics, it makes the Federal Coalition look relatively stable!
Maxwell isnt popular in some sections of the Aus cricket community and I did hear a rumour that he said he wouldnt be into sledging Virat Kholi and it didnt go down well
with his Aus teammates who see Maxwell as selfish and putting his personal career ahead of the team. Maxwell is mates with Kholi off the field.....
I like Peter Siddle and he is a honest trier but this isnt good for Aus cricket recalling him at his age, this is what England used to do and we are better than that....
Maxwell isnt popular in some sections of the Aus cricket community and I did hear a rumour that he said he wouldnt be into sledging Virat Kholi and it didnt go down well
with his Aus teammates who see Maxwell as selfish and putting his personal career ahead of the team. Maxwell is mates with Kholi off the field.....
I like Peter Siddle and he is a honest trier but this isnt good for Aus cricket recalling him at his age, this is what England used to do and we are better than that....
We should be better than this but it seems that the same old political biases are in play here. Maxwell clearly deserves his chance on this tour but is clearly out of favour, can't see the squad we are sending coming back with anything other than resounding losses.
I can live with Maxwell's exclusion, but I can't abide the bull crap explanations.
And I don't understand why the Marsh brothers are retained for the exact same reasons Maxwell is excluded.
I'd love to see the photos Shaun has, they must be damning.
Maxwell isnt popular in some sections of the Aus cricket community and I did hear a rumour that he said he wouldnt be into sledging Virat Kholi and it didnt go down well
with his Aus teammates who see Maxwell as selfish and putting his personal career ahead of the team. Maxwell is mates with Kholi off the field.....
I like Peter Siddle and he is a honest trier but this isnt good for Aus cricket recalling him at his age, this is what England used to do and we are better than that....
I'd be very surprised if the current team went down the path of sledging Kohli. Not only would that undermine the supposed new sportsmanship mantra lead by Paine, but it would actually help Kohli's performances. He thrives on verbal combat to get himself up. The Aussies would be far better suited to completely ignore Kohli, say nothing. If he wants to start anything, then let him & he can deal with the media focus on his behaviour.
I'd be very surprised if the current team went down the path of sledging Kohli. Not only would that undermine the supposed new sportsmanship mantra lead by Paine, but it would actually help Kohli's performances. He thrives on verbal combat to get himself up. The Aussies would be far better suited to completely ignore Kohli, say nothing. If he wants to start anything, then let him & he can deal with the media focus on his behaviour.
This may well be Maxwell's reason for avoiding the confrontation, everyone knew that firing Kohli up was a bad idea last time he toured yet some morons still tried! Well, it's clear that they aren't all brain surgeons!
I'm absolutely gob-smacked that Punter wants Mitch Marsh as VC.
Usually I'm OK with Punter's perspectives, but this one reeks of nepotism!
No sane cricket person would support that decision.
I'm absolutely gob-smacked that Punter wants Mitch Marsh as VC.
Usually I'm OK with Punter's perspectives, but this one reeks of nepotism!
Yeah, I admit, sounds ridiculous at first glance.....but who are the other options ?
until Smith makes it back (& there's no guarantee he'll get another role like that), who else have we got ?
Finch has got one series to try to make the opening spot his, he doesn't need the extra pressure
Lyon ? Khawaja ?
It might be just a case of last man standing....and he has captained WA.
I captained U12s, doesn't make me good enough to captain Australia.
Aaron Finch has been a very good, experienced short form captain. Bailey is good too.
I captained U12s, doesn't make me good enough to captain Australia.
Aaron Finch has been a very good, experienced short form captain. Bailey is good too.
I’m not so sure Prof, you could be the man ;)
Aren’t there several players with captaincy experience in the likely eleven?
I’m not so sure Prof, you could be the man ;)
Aren’t there several players with captaincy experience in the likely eleven?
Cricket is one sport where being a good captain can be enough to get you a gig!
The problem I think Australian cricket has is that there may well be a number of seriously good captains out there, but they are not the best cricketers and at the moment our team is so poor we cannot afford to carry them!