Dont worry about the behaviour of players at other clubs, Daisy being investigated by the club for drinking (heavily allegedly) at a charity event on Friday night.
Dont worry about the behaviour of players at other clubs, Daisy being investigated by the club for drinking (heavily allegedly) at a charity event on Friday night.
That one seems to be in the public domain
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2019-carltons-dale-thomas-reportedly-investigated-by-club-over-claims-of-drinking-incident-last-friday-night/news-story/ce73d56151e0d49de4deb9440c245c22
Not sure where to put this.
Anyone heard about Daisy's reported indiscretion below?
AFL 2019: Carlton’s Dale Thomas reportedly investigated by club over claims of drinking incident last Friday night
AFL
May 27, 2019 9:14pmby STAFF WRITERSSource: FOX SPORTS
Further down on that link, those intellectual colossi from On The Couch give Brackets McGovern a roasting, and Harry Mac for good measure.
Judd is reported to have said there was nothing in it, Daisy had a wine with dinner at a charity function and has no case to answer.
Here is an opportunity to unify the club and players, lets see if the executive is smart enough to stick fat!
I watched FC last night - it was Caros big scoop last night ????really there wasn’t much in it. Daisy’s said he had 2 drinks and Hutchi was shocked 2 days before a game a player would drink and Judd said he might’ve had a wine over dinner bla bla bla. The ‘‘altercation’ didn’t have much substance either - something about a spilled drink. Woopydo!
I think Lloyd or Hutchi said to Judd ‘Daisy wouldn’t play, he’d get suspended?’ And Judd just stared them down, said they don’t even have the full story.
If nothing else, Judd is extremely good at stopping questioning in its tracks, just by glaring ????
It was a wine pairing event that raised $370,000 for charity.
It was a wine pairing event that raised $370,000 for charity.
Daisy probably volunteered his time.
All the story does is show you how low Hunchy and Caro will go! ;)
Daisy probably volunteered his time.
All the story does is show you how low Hunchy and Caro will go! ;)
It's depressing to think that Caro was once a decent journalist. Just like On The Couch and plenty of others, toeing the Murdoch Party Line is obviously a requirement - go low, go hard and go often.
My biggest criticism of Caro is that she never comments on actual football. Its always the negative, behind the scenes stuff. She is the Football equivalent of the gotcha paparazzi.
Judd is reported to have said there was nothing in it, Daisy had a wine with dinner at a charity function and has no case to answer.
Here is an opportunity to unify the club and players, lets see if the executive is smart enough to stick fat!
Juddy also said whilst a few wines or beers with dinner is ok, "drinking in public two days before a game fails the stupidity test". He went to stop the discussion and said lets gather all the facts before we go too far.
It was a wine pairing event that raised $370,000 for charity.
Good onya Daisy.
What an upstanding contributor to society.
Every $ in the charity bucket aims to support those in need.
Pretty sure the 'actual' story could go something like that.
The rest is uneventful. Move on if that's possible.
Imagine what garbage the supposed scoop would have been without Juddys intellectual prowess.
Joke
It's depressing to think that Caro was once a decent journalist. Just like On The Couch and plenty of others, toeing the Murdoch Party Line is obviously a requirement - go low, go hard and go often.
How many times have they received similar info about Dusty and said nothing, even in his premiership year?
You'd think in a year where Dusty was in the hunt for a flag it was an even bigger sin, not a forgivable offense, but it got crickets from Caro and the AFL media!
Caro and Hunchy excel at kicking people in the gutter, nothing more and nothing less!
In some respects this issue will blow up because Judd shows some inexperience, he should not have made a value judgment on air! That's all you will hear now for the next 24/48 hours!
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In some respects this issue will blow up because Judd shows some inexperience, he should not have made a value judgment on air! That's all you will hear now for the next 24/48 hours!
I tend to agree. I think that comment about "failed the stupidity test" is a very poor phrase, and feels almost like throwing Daisy under a bus. That's precisely the sort of thing that starts the process of dividing clubs.
One thing I've never liked about Judd is that he keeps things at arms length, a certain aloofness. You never really feel like he's one of the troops.
IMO, the best media performer at our club is Bolton. Followed by Silvagni (not polished, but won't be bullied or steamrolled) followed by Judd, then Lloyd and the Judge. Liddle I haven't heard enough of.
Maybe I'm naive, but I can't see how this is a story if all he did was have a couple of glasses of wine and spilt some blokes drink? Si there more that we don't know about?
Maybe I'm naive, but I can't see how this is a story if all he did was have a couple of glasses of wine and spilt some blokes drink? Si there more that we don't know about?
Yes, if everything that happened is what we've been told, then it's a big beat up and and a complete waste of time.
Was there something else ? The club seems to be taking its sweet time issuing a statement............
Statement issued, Daisy playing VFL this week
Statement issued, Daisy playing VFL this week
Yep. What a hullabaloo over not much. And to think Rhys-Jones used to have a ciggy at half time and Lord knows what else afterwards.
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2019-05-28/club-statement-dale-thomas
I've gone in to bat for daisy more than anyone on this site i reckon, but i'll back the club in on this one.
Why?
He lied to the club. He said he only had a couple of drinks, when in reality he was probably pretty sloshed.
Even if it was just a couple, not ideal, especially in public. But its the lies he told the club that are the big thing for me.
I backed the club when they ditched Robbo, for the same thing, and i'll back them now. You have to set the standard. You have to be held accountable.
Kudos to the club for making a stand. Daisy will learn from it.
I think the timing of this is either 'worst possible' or 'perfect' depending on if you are wearing a tin-foil hat or not.
Let me explain...
Worst possible timing because we need every senior player we have for this week in a winnable game against the old enemy.
Perfect timing because the club might find it harder to sack Bolton if he wins.
Surely you mean "if he loses"?
I've gone in to bat for daisy more than anyone on this site i reckon, but i'll back the club in on this one.
Why?
He lied to the club. He said he only had a couple of drinks, when in reality he was probably pretty sloshed.
Even if it was just a couple, not ideal, especially in public. But its the lies he told the club that are the big thing for me.
I backed the club when they ditched Robbo, for the same thing, and i'll back them now. You have to set the standard. You have to be held accountable.
Kudos to the club for making a stand. Daisy will learn from it.
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I think it's an overreaction. Sanction him, give him a fine, but we need to win games of footy. I understand your "worst possible" or "perfect" scenario, but I still think it's OTT. Should we trade him out at year's end ?
I'm not being smart, but how do you know he lied to the club? I don't know what he said to the club, and I don't know what happened apart from the Club statement?
I'm not being smart, but how do you know he lied to the club? I don't know what he said to the club, and I don't know what happened apart from the Club statement?
Based on Caros efforts, Judds comments and reevaluating and the fact he's been suspended.
Surely you mean "if he loses"?
No, i'm suggesting the club might WANT to sack him. If he wins, it might ruin their plans. Suspending daisy might help them achieve that goal.
Hence the tin-foil hat comment.
Ridiculous penalty. TOTALLY out of order. Just another example of how inept we really are.
I think it's an overreaction. Sanction him, give him a fine, but we need to win games of footy. I understand your "worst possible" or "perfect" scenario, but I still think it's OTT. Should we trade him out at year's end ?
Not at all.
Its his first issue since being at the club (i don't count the umpire thing because he's right!)
He'll cop his whack and life goes on.
Yep. What a hullabaloo over not much. And to think Rhys-Jones used to have a ciggy at half time and Lord knows what else afterwards.
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2019-05-28/club-statement-dale-thomas
Pauly to me its about setting and living elite standards. If the players had a rule amongst themselves about no drinking x hrs before a training session or game, then so be it. If the club high performance group imposed the rule, so be it. Either way, if the rule is in place, it must be enforced, its the only way the culture will be improved. The only person who can judge if this is an overreaction or BS is Daisy himself. By the sound of it, he knows he farked up and is prepared to make amends. Same rules for 1st years as 10th year and 20yr players. Does it penalise the club and jeopardise our chances of winning? Probably. "Pay the price" is what John Kennedy Snr used to say.
Not at all.
Its his first issue since being at the club (i don't count the umpire thing because he's right!)
He'll cop his whack and life goes on.
Sorry, that was a sarcastic reference to Garlett and Robbo being traded out.
Sorry, that was a sarcastic reference to Garlett and Robbo being traded out.
I figured as much, hence why i said it was his first offence.
The 2 you mentioned were repeat offenders
Pauly to me its about setting and living elite standards. If the players had a rule amongst themselves about no drinking x hrs before a training session or game, then so be it. If the club high performance group imposed the rule, so be it. Either way, if the rule is in place, it must be enforced, its the only way the culture will be improved. The only person who can judge if this is an overreaction or BS is Daisy himself. By the sound of it, he knows he farked up and is prepared to make amends. Same rules for 1st years as 10th year and 20yr players. Does it penalise the club and jeopardise our chances of winning? Probably. "Pay the price" is what John Kennedy Snr used to say.
My issue is with the punishment rather than the rules. In my view, we have a tendency to go overboard with these things. He's been a model citizen for ages, why not just give him a warning ?
The other thing is who is actually being punished ? We have no seniors as it is. Why leave him in the magoos when we desperately need a win. I think we punish ourselves more than any individual. There's some fine tuning required to how we deal with these issues - too draconian for mine.
Yep. What a hullabaloo over not much. And to think Rhys-Jones used to have a ciggy at half time and Lord knows what else afterwards.
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2019-05-28/club-statement-dale-thomas
Eddie was defending Daisy this morning, if only we had a leader like him. We are the worst run club in the country.
My issue is with the punishment rather than the rules. In my view, we have a tendency to go overboard with these things. He's been a model citizen for ages, why not just give him a warning ?
The other thing is who is actually being punished ? We have no seniors as it is. Why leave him in the magoos when we desperately need a win. I think we punish ourselves more than any individual. There's some fine tuning required to how we deal with these issues - too draconian for mine.
The rules will be in place, most likely so will the punishments.
In any event, setting an example of what can happen to a senior player, will make sure that everybody knows what is required and that nobody is exempt.
Eddie was defending Daisy this morning, if only we had a leader like him. We are the worst run club in the country.
Not sure about your last sentence, but this "high standards" business needs some tweaking. We seem to be more concerned with showing the world how "professional" we are, but it never feels like we have each other's back. It feels a bit like hanging people out to dry. I also wish we had someone like McGuire.
I lived opposite Didak for quite a few years. What he and his team mates got up to on the sauce was unbelievable. No details I'll reveal here. Daisy never attended once BTW.
FACTS
I lived opposite Didak for quite a few years. What he and his team mates got up to on the sauce was unbelievable. No details I'll reveal here. Daisy never attended once BTW.
FACTS
Didak was a rat packer and thick as thieves with Johnson, Tarrant, Shaw and of course Dane Swan.
His peers have made the judgement
Daisy's accepted the penalty, and taken responsibility.
You can understand how it happened...most of us would probably struggle to stop at one or two given the surrounds and the feel good event.
But we're not part of a struggling club, under the microscope at the moment, about 12 hours from a training session and 48 hours from an important game.
This is player driven and I'm happy for them to be the judge.
His peers have made the judgement
Daisy's accepted the penalty, .......................
This is player driven and I'm happy for them to be the judge.
I think that makes it worse. He had a bit to drink, at an event for a very good charitable cause, spilled someone's glass, no harm done. It's not like he was out at all hours, drinking at the local with his mates, fighting etc.
Seems very OTT to me.
I think that makes it worse. He had a bit to drink, at an event for a very good charitable cause, spilled someone's glass, no harm done. It's not like he was out at all hours, drinking at the local with his mates, fighting etc.
Seems very OTT to me.
The leadership group obviously thought it wasn't up to the standards they've set themselves.
We have to back their judgement as they'd have a much better idea of exactly how much Daisy overindulged.
He seems OK with it and is saying all the right things.
We're demanding leadership and high standards on the field...I've no problem if the players demand as much of themselves off the field.
It's probably as much about the self discipline as it is about the amount drunk.
Seems very OTT to me.
I'd heard several senior club officials were also at the dinner, which was a matched wine and food type event, I didn't post it earlier because I had no correlated reports, but the presence of Warnock suggests the club may have had some involvement.
I suspect Daisy may have fallen on his sword to save them all face because more would have been dragged into it!
How would fans feel if board members and executives were also at the event and knew Daisy was drinking with the dinner coarses?
His peers have made the judgement
Daisy's accepted the penalty, and taken responsibility.
You can understand how it happened...most of us would probably struggle to stop at one or two given the surrounds and the feel good event.
But we're not part of a struggling club, under the microscope at the moment, about 12 hours from a training session and 48 hours from an important game.
This is player driven and I'm happy for them to be the judge.
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I think that makes it worse. He had a bit to drink, at an event for a very good charitable cause, spilled someone's glass, no harm done. It's not like he was out at all hours, drinking at the local with his mates, fighting etc.
Seems very OTT to me.
Been to a few of these wine pairing things and 5 glasses would be the equivalent of 2.
Our players haven't earned the right to judge Daisy.
Been to a few of these wine pairing things and 5 glasses would be the equivalent of 2.
I've never been to one, so can't comment. But when someone like me starts wondering whether the CFC has become too much of a nanny state, you know something's up.
Still seems like a big beat up to me.
Our players haven't earned the right to judge Daisy.
I doubt the playing group imposed this, it's a bit ludicrous.
I doubt the playing group imposed this, it's a bit ludicrous.
If they didn't we're in more strife than we thought because the statements gone out under their' banner.'
I doubt the playing group imposed this, it's a bit ludicrous.
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If they didn't we're in more strife than we thought because the statements gone out under their' banner.'
I suspect "leadership group" is a pretty malleable designation.
I think that makes it worse. He had a bit to drink, at an event for a very good charitable cause, spilled someone's glass, no harm done. It's not like he was out at all hours, drinking at the local with his mates, fighting etc.
Seems very OTT to me.
Club has its rules, if you think they are over the top, then bully for you. The club doesn't have to be accountable to you, but itself. Set the standards, stick by them.
Of course, usually what makes the media is a watered down version of actual events. So who knows if there is more to the story than what we've been told.
Regardless, the best way to get kids to follow the rules is to punish a senior bloke.
Its done, we move on.
Ed Curnow, Murphy Simpson Docherty Cripps
I doubt whether a few of those guys would be happy for the club to make a decision they didn't agree with and then put it out in their name.
It sells them a bit short in the eyes of the playing group.
Cant see us imposing a playing ban to a senior player like Daisy unless it was warranted. Need every available decent senior player we can get on the park.
I bet several eyewitnesses seen him and thought he was intoxicated.. seriously don't believe the story he had 2 beers 2 nights out before a game. Even the bit with spilling a drink over an ex player, then apologising sounds like BS to me.
There is more to this then they are letting on.
This is just crap. If I was Bolton I'd get the players around for a keg and a BBW. Lightening the mood might be good for everyone.
Club has its rules, if you think they are over the top, then bully for you. The club doesn't have to be accountable to you, but itself. .........................
Excuse me.
This is just crap. If I was Bolton I'd get the players around for a keg and a BBW. Lightening the mood might be good for everyone.
No doubt the paparazzi would come up with some less than flattering "optics" and they'd all be put up for trade, and Bolton would be sacked. After all, the club has its rules.
What would be on offer ? Lettuce sandwiches and a keg full of Grapefruit Nehi ?
Everybody’s entitled to their opinion,but I’d certainly be suspending Daisy
How can it be that a senior player is drinking alcohol mid week??? Wtf is going on. Some players in the VFAA and EDFL are more professional and there’s simply no excuse fir a full time sportsperson.. This is a professional not a hobby and I’d be ropable if I was the coach.
I've thought about this one a little.
The way to work all this out is simple.
Remove the name of said player from the equation.
If ever there was a time for our club to set and maintain standards it's when you're bottom of the ladder.
I think a warning and a fine would be sufficient. It seems bizarre that we won't fly the flag for one of our blokes when they get injured, yet we come down hard on someone for a minor drinking incident at a charity do.
I understand the winds of change sweep through organisations from time to time. e.g the changeover from Malthouse to Buckley. Buckley was keen to remake the joint in his image i.e more squeaky clean, so he moved on Didak and others whom he thought would hinder that change. And clearly Bolton seems more like Buckley than old school coaches. But there is always some discretion and interpretation that needs to be applied when deciding on a punishment. And I think frankly the club has erred.
I've thought about this one a little.
The way to work all this out is simple.
Remove the name of said player from the equation.
If ever there was a time for our club to set and maintain standards it's when you're bottom of the ladder.
Then we should also be dropping players who aren't performing regardless of their draft pick number.
Then we should also be dropping players who aren't performing regardless of their draft pick number.
Touché!
What's the bigger offense, having a glass of wine with dinner or playing like some have at times in recent weeks?
I haven't noticed Daisy not putting in!
Dane Swan:
I drink at qtr time if I played for Carlton. @DThomas_39 Being unavailable to play is not a punishment imo it’s a reward. I’d ask to be suspended for the rest of the year.
Touché!
What's the bigger offense, having a glass of wine with dinner or playing like some have at times in recent weeks?
I haven't noticed Daisy not putting in!
It wasn't just a glass a wine mate.
It wasn't just a glass a wine mate.
Really, can you tell us your evidence?
Then we should also be dropping players who aren't performing regardless of their draft pick number.
I dont disagree but it all depends on the alternative options.
Really, can you tell us your evidence?
The rumour mill is swirling. The penalty handed out suggests that bigger things were happening.
Daisy and Cripps have both played angry the last 2 or 3 weeks. I wonder what's up ?
Everybody’s entitled to their opinion,but I’d certainly be suspending Daisy
How can it be that a senior player is drinking alcohol mid week??? Wtf is going on. Some players in the VFAA and EDFL are more professional and there’s simply no excuse fir a full time sportsperson.. This is a professional not a hobby and I’d be ropable if I was the coach.
I think Judd’s comments are relevant. They were along the lines of a glass of wine with a meal is OK but drinking in public is not a good look.
I don’t think the club had any option other than to suspend Daisy. Apart from showing the AFL community that we are committed to striving for high standards, it sends a strong message to the playing group.
Daisy and Cripps have both played angry the last 2 or 3 weeks. I wonder what's up ?
They play with a bunch of soft c0cks.
They play with a bunch of soft c0cks.
Well, assuming that's true, it's taken them a long while to figure it out.
From what I can glean, Daisy and Murphy get on well and are very good mates.
According to one report the waiters were topping up the glasses as they got lower.
If that's true I don't think Daisy could tell you how many drinks he actually had.
Really, can you tell us your evidence?
My evidence is not a chance in hell the club makes a story of this, if it was just one or two wines with dinner....surely you don't believe that.
Reports where he spilled a drink on Warnock and there were words afterwards....club said he apologised but if that story is 100% true, that means the one drink he had he didn't even drink cause Warnock wore it ;)
As i said earlier there a lot more to this....the 1 or 2 drinks parts was only said IMO to tone things down.
My evidence is not a chance in hell the club makes a story of this, if it was just one or two wines with dinner....surely you don't believe that.
Reports where he spilled a drink on Warnock and there were words afterwards....club said he apologised but if that story is 100% true, that means the one drink he had he didn't even drink cause Warnock wore it ;)
As i said earlier there a lot more to this....the 1 or 2 drinks parts was only said IMO to tone things down.
So you just made it up? You could get a job as at the HeraldSun.
I don’t think the club had any option other than to suspend Daisy. Apart from showing the AFL community that we are committed to striving for high standards, it sends a strong message to the playing group.
Nobody is telling me what warrants this, was Daisy wielding a dangerous pair of chopsticks?
Did Warnock feel threatened?
Did our club strong-arm the accuser so they withdrew their complaints?
Did we hunt down the concerned mother of the victim?
FWIW, Mr ChopsticksMartin ultimately received no criminal or league imposed sanction for the alleged incident but did receive a club-imposed $5,000 fine for being drunk and acting inappropriately in public. The club chose to suspend the fine considering the massive reputational damage the ultimately unfounded incident had inflicted upon him.
It seems to me the disparity in the way some players and clubs get treated in the media just washes right over many fans like a passing fart! Until our club gets serious about addressing these apparent disparities our players will continue to feel like imposters in the AFL system, and that goes a long way to explaining their performance, lack of development and lack of heart!
Actually I agree with you LP.
I think it's a problem that we are working through but we dont have impeccable history with dealing with these issues.
Nobody is telling me what warrants this, was Daisy wielding a dangerous pair of chopsticks?
Did Warnock feel threatened?
Did our club strong-arm the accuser so they withdrew their complaints?
Did we hunt done the concerned mother of the victim?
FWIW, Mr Chopsticks
It seems to me the disparity in the way some players and clubs get treated in the media just washes right over many fans like a passing fart! Until our club gets serious about addressing these apparent disparities our players will continue to feel like imposters in the AFL system, and that goes a long way to explaining their performance, lack of development and lack of heart!
We're driving high standards while Richmond are winning premierships and breaking membership records.
Nobody is telling me what warrants this, was Daisy wielding a dangerous pair of chopsticks?
Did Warnock feel threatened?
Did our club strong-arm the accuser so they withdrew their complaints?
Did we hunt done the concerned mother of the victim?
FWIW, Mr Chopsticks
It seems to me the disparity in the way some players and clubs get treated in the media just washes right over many fans like a passing fart! Until our club gets serious about addressing these apparent disparities our players will continue to feel like imposters in the AFL system, and that goes a long way to explaining their performance, lack of development and lack of heart!
If I remember correctly, the Chopsticks Affair took place in the off season.
Many players from other clubs have been exposed in the media for drinking in public; Tex Walker having a beer during a game while out injured springs to mind and Steven May was sprung earlier this season. Hawthorn’s failure to suspend Luke Hodge was widely criticised and his subsequent suspension for missing training was interpreted as making up for the lenient penalty.
I think that Daisy’s misdemeanour is magnified by our win-loss record rather than any media bias.
I think that Daisy’s misdemeanour is magnified by our win-loss record rather than any media bias.
I think they go after us because they know our club will be bullied into a reaction!
I'm sure someone like Balme, Malthouse, Sheedy, Clarkson, Riciutto, Roos, Colless, Pridham, etc., etc., would react differently. It's certainly not a chicken and egg situation, they haven't just become vocal after success, they have always been that way! They see defending their players and club as a key to success, not a byproduct of it!
I think they go after us because they know our club will be bullied into a reaction!
I'm sure someone like Balme, Malthouse, Sheedy, Clarkson, Riciutto, Roos, Colless, Pridham, etc., etc., would react differently. It's certainly not a chicken and egg situation, they haven't just become vocal after success, they have always been that way! They see defending their players and club as a key to success, not a byproduct of it!
Win games and Daisy could have his way with goat whilst swilling a bottle of Grange in the middle of Burke St and no one would care.
Win games and Daisy could have his way with goat whilst swilling a bottle of Grange in the middle of Burke St and no one would care.
Dangerfield would!
Dangerfield would!
Dangerfield could set fire to Greater Geelong and be awarded a clean up Australia Medal.
Dangerfield could set fire to Greater Geelong and be awarded a clean up Australia Medal.
Nah, but a Curnow might get the blame!
On another note, what's the general feeling about Thomas being dropped this week? We can't really afford to be dropping senior blokes but I'm happy with the club decision....he's been around long enough to realise he stuffed up and will cop it on the chin.
On another note, what's the general feeling about Thomas being dropped this week? We can't really afford to be dropping senior blokes but I'm happy with the club decision....he's been around long enough to realise he stuffed up and will cop it on the chin.
The forum is divided. Some think it's an appropriate sanction, some think it's OTT. Certainly doesn't help our chances on the weekend.
On another note, what's the general feeling about Thomas being dropped this week? We can't really afford to be dropping senior blokes but I'm happy with the club decision....he's been around long enough to realise he stuffed up and will cop it on the chin.
I say good move club. With so many youngsters on our list, the club had to punish him. Even just for the optics, it sets a bad example. It’s not about Daisy, it’s about the youngsters and the club branding. It’s a week off, not the end of the world like some peanuts are going on about. Move on.
I'm with Woodstock....if it was a young bloke he'd be dropped and doubt we'd question it. You can't have two sets of rules. It's not a good look just before a game and Thomas simply should've known better.
Bit of a mixed message with Thomas IMO, Judd assessed it as a low grade offense for a good cause yet the leadership group have gone hard.
Personally I would have fined Daisy but not suspended him...I reckon he might have played a big game this week to make up for his minor indiscretion and
I would have challenged him to be a leader and deliver on the field to pay back his teammates if what he did was such a major crime.
Bit of a mixed message with Thomas IMO, Judd assessed it as a low grade offense for a good cause yet the leadership group have gone hard.
Personally I would have fined Daisy but not suspended him...I reckon he might have played a big game this week to make up for his minor indiscretion and
I would have challenged him to be a leader and deliver on the field to pay back his teammates if what he did was such a major crime.
Agree EB.
Bit of a mixed message with Thomas IMO, Judd assessed it as a low grade offense for a good cause yet the leadership group have gone hard.
Personally I would have fined Daisy but not suspended him...I reckon he might have played a big game this week to make up for his minor indiscretion and
I would have challenged him to be a leader and deliver on the field to pay back his teammates if what he did was such a major crime.
Judd said that before he had all the facts.
Which is why there must be more to the story.
Lot of people using this as yet another opportunity to kick us when we're down. Now even some nobody bachelorette Moll has waded in. Really? Get. A. Life.
Let's beat the cheats and ram it so far up the media they choke on it (hey, we can all dream).
Lot of people using this as yet another opportunity to kick us when we're down. Now even some nobody bachelorette Moll has waded in. Really? Get. A. Life.
Let's beat the cheats and ram it so far up the media they choke on it (hey, we can all dream).
Who?
Yes, Bob has said don't play him for the rest of the year, as has Maclure apparently. Swanny has been funny. Everyone has had a shot. Personally I don't care, Daisy was stupid to do it and after not wanting him when MM bought him across (that was because he was good for culture, wasn't it? Because he was busted up), I have come to respect him because of the contract thing and also he gives 100% every game. He made a mistake, at a charity event for goodness sake, I think he can be forgiven and we move on.
I enjoyed hearing the reporting on Ch7 Yesterday afternoon about Garry Ablett. The reporting went 'as his teammates are in blizzard conditions training, Garry is taking a well earned break up on the Gold Coast in the sun, after being hit with a 1 week suspension'. Excuse me? A well earned break up to the sun, you say? for punching someone in the head. 3rd week in a row. Absolutely amazing, one rule for one, one rule for the other.
My father in law called it after Ablett's second elbow, said he was trying to get a break.
My father in law called it after Ablett's second elbow, said he was trying to get a break.
His status, age, and reputation at Geelong is such that I'm sure he would be rested if he simply asked. I doubt he needs to resort to head punches.
Lot of people using this as yet another opportunity to kick us when we're down. Now even some nobody bachelorette Moll has waded in. Really? Get. A. Life.
Let's beat the cheats and ram it so far up the media they choke on it (hey, we can all dream).
Well said Prof. That's the ultimate response required.
Don't think it would make it as 'news' though.????
Imo the club's response is one thing (which is ok for a club of good boys). The media response is another. That of course, is OTT. But that's life with the inherent biased force at play.
Now it's surfaced that Daisy had between 3 and 5 drinks at a "Paired Wine and Food" function.
Anyone who has been to one of those will realise that does not equate as 3 to 5 standard drinks. Usually you have a single bottle on a table of between 8 and 10 people and get about 1/2 to 2/3 of a standard serve per course spread over 2 or 3 hours!
One thing that can happen, is that you can consume more if you are sitting with people that can't or won't consume alcohol. But that is pretty rare event at a promoted wine and food function! However, pregnant women, tea totallers, etc., etc., still do attend such functions with their partners.
That is not even certain to have someone Daisy's size over the legal drink drive limit in Victoria!
Put that in context of seeing Stephen May consuming Pots while in injury recovery, and the relative media response to the two incidents!
I said at the time, the bigger issue was that the club knew, with rumors persisting that senior club officials attended the same function, and that Daisy had attended with their approval. I felt that Daisy was falling on his sword to save the club from further embarrassment if those facts got out, but now it appears they will anyway!
Think about this in framework of having the players backs, or perhaps stabbing them in the back?
Now it's surfaced that Daisy had between 3 and 5 drinks at a "Paired Wine and Food" function.
Anyone who has been to one of those will realise that does not equate as 3 to 5 standard drinks. Usually you have a single bottle on a table of between 8 and 10 people and get about 1/2 to 2/3 of a standard serve per course spread over 2 or 3 hours!
That is not even certain to have someone Daisy's size over the legal drink drive limit in Victoria!
Put that in context of seeing Stephen May consuming Pots while in injury recovery, and the relative media response to the two incidents!
I said at the time, the bigger issue was that the club knew with rumors persisting that senior club officials attended the same function. I felt that Daisy was falling on his sword to save the club from further embarrassment if those facts got out, but now it appears they will anyway!
Give it up LP, that's just speculation at best. He could have had 12 glasses - and certainly looked well done in that shot with his GF?
The bloke did the wrong thing, he takes a whack, we move on.
It's not like he's the difference between is winning and losing ala Crippa....
Give it up LP, that's just speculation at best. He could have had 12 glasses - and certainly looked well done in that shot with his GF?
The bloke did the wrong thing, he takes a whack, we move on.
It's not like he's the difference between is winning and losing ala Crippa....
If you think this is over in the media you are kidding yourself, they are after somebody else, Daisy is just the leverage! The minute you start hearing fresh follow up facts that are withheld from original reports you know they have somebody in the gun, do not be so naive to think they do not already know the answers to the questions they ask!
I suspect they want to press the issue to see if they can get a more senior figure to put a foot in their mouth! We have a history of cracking under media pressure, the core issue might not even be related to Daisy, and the media are hoping someone will trip up on some other issue trying to deflect.
Now it's surfaced that Daisy had between 3 and 5 drinks at a "Paired Wine and Food" function.
Anyone who has been to one of those will realise that does not equate as 3 to 5 standard drinks. Usually you have a single bottle on a table of between 8 and 10 people and get about 1/2 to 2/3 of a standard serve per course spread over 2 or 3 hours!
That is not even certain to have someone Daisy's size over the legal drink drive limit in Victoria!
Put that in context of seeing Stephen May consuming Pots while in injury recovery, and the relative media response to the two incidents!
I said at the time, the bigger issue was that the club knew with rumors persisting that senior club officials attended the same function. I felt that Daisy was falling on his sword to save the club from further embarrassment if those facts got out, but now it appears they will anyway!
It's all guessing....even for the folks who were there, how much Thomas had to drink.
It's doubtful someone was sitting there going.... one, two, two and a half...
If the waiters were topping up the glasses Daisy probably doesn't even know how much he had to drink.
Another unknown is was his behaviour reflected his drinking?
No-one sees to have commented on that but if others from the club did attend (and attendance and over-indulging is not an issue unless you were training the next morning) they would probably have given those making any judgment a good report of what transpired.
Wilson only broke the story that there was a problem being investigated.
She didn't create the situation or the fact the club was looking at it. She only reported it.
Someone (and it would have to have come from the club)has given her that information.
That's maybe a story in itself.
Photos of the event either show someone who's sloshed or someone just having a good time depending on what interpretation you want to put on it.
It's all just speculation.
The bottom line is the players have made the judgement (believe that or not, that's the clubs position) and Daisy has accepted it.
The bottom line is the players have made the judgement (believe that or not, that's the clubs position) and Daisy has accepted it.
No doubt Lods, but the how and why does matter when you are trying to unify a club and it's culture!
If the media think certain senior club officials are being two-faced, we have potentially a much bigger problem! I feel the behind the scenes aspects of this are a bit glossed over by fans, but the media won't overlook them!
This is actually Caro's specialty, not football!
There are so many versions and so much speculation as to what happened. Unless you 100% know (talking to you, media), don't put your opinion in - it means nothing.
I don't care what the real version is - club spoke to Daisy, club punished (or rewarded) him with a week off - need to trust that!
End of story.
I hate the media gossip - if you say it load and often enough it becomes the fact even though it probably isn't.
No doubt Lods, but the how and why does matter when you are trying to unify a club and it's culture!
If the media think certain senior club officials are being two-faced, we have potentially a much bigger problem! I feel the behind the scenes aspects of this are a bit glossed over by fans, but the media won't overlook them!
This is actually Caro's specialty, not football!
I'm not sure what your getting at with the senior officials.
If they were in attendance and even if they wiped themselves off that's not really an issue.
They're not there to look after Thomas and the only one responsible for his behaviour would be Thomas himself.
Oh so now Matt Tilley on Nova is talking about it, more chastising Georgia Love from the Bachelorette, for replying to the 3AW tweet about it by saying she was there and he had way more than 2 drinks - Matt Tilley actually said that was awful of her to do and she’s a self promoter and should be ignored.
Talk about a big deal being made about nothing - so he was off his face, not great, he’s been punished. Move on.
Fck the media, keep trying to kick to get us to crack - I’m more determined now that we stick together and shove it right up them!
Oh so now Matt Tilley on Nova is talking about it, more chastising Georgia Love from the Bachelorette, for replying to the 3AW tweet about it by saying she was there and he had way more than 2 drinks - Matt Tilley actually said that was awful of her to do and she’s a self promoter and should be ignored.
Talk about a big deal being made about nothing - so he was off his face, not great, he’s been punished. Move on.
Fck the media, keep trying to kick to get us to crack - I’m more determined now that we stick together and shove it right up them!
Too late for that.
I hate the media gossip - if you say it load and often enough it becomes the fact even though it probably isn't.
What does this mean when our club stays silent in the media, and allows discussions about or referencing the club to be driven by others? ;) This is a clear example of surrendering control of the narrative to external influences!
It's clear to me, professionalism starts or ends from the top down! I'd have to say all this has done has further reduced my faith in the board and executive, while having zero impact on what I think about coaches and players!
If the board and executive feel under pressure, who will pay the price?
Too late for that.
It is getting a bit ridiculous.
Misdemeanour noted and sanctioned... move on.
What does this mean when our club stays silent in the media, and allows discussions about or referencing the club to be driven by others? ;)
It's clear to me, professionalism starts or ends from the top down!
We've issued a statement...a good professional one I thought, from club and player.
That should close the issue.
If we get into a scuffle over the media coverage it will just keep the issue bubbling along...then all sorts of judgements will be made over the timing of Thomas' return.
If we have some major issues with media coverage this probably isn't a battle we want to use to fight that because even supporters are divided on the issue.
It is getting a bit ridiculous.
Misdemeanour noted and sanctioned... move on.
but the punishment didn't fit the crime so now they're is speculation.
We've issued a statement...a good professional one I thought, from club and player.
That should close the issue.
If we get into a scuffle over the media coverage it will just keep the issue bubbling along...then all sorts of judgements will be made over the timing of Thomas' return.
If we have some major issues with media coverage this probably isn't a battle we want to use to fight that because even supporters are divided on the issue.
It's not an isolated incident Lods, we cannot keep giving them retrospective pass marks when the behavior is recidivist!
Previously it was comments from fans like, the club will learn from it and handle it better next time, then it happens all over again, and again, like a running joke!
Pretty much any of us could well have sat down and wrote out the script for these events before it happened, the media strategy, the club reaction, the follow up, we've seen it before multiple times. When will our club become proactive rather than reactive?
but the punishment didn't fit the crime so now they're is speculation.
We cannot really go there MBB, because we do not know the facts surrounding the event, but we can clearly comment on the public reaction and public responses!
If it's even half true, it's hardly perfect timing but he does his penance and we pay the potential penalty come Sunday.
We cannot really go there MBB, because we do not know the facts surrounding the event, but we can clearly comment on the public reaction and public responses!
I'm saying the punishment doesn't fit the crime that we have disclosed.
Judd said he had a couple of wines, Daisy said he had 3. Daisy accidentally spilled a drink on Warnock, he apologized and that was that.
The fact that we suspended him has people thinking there is more in it.
IMO, our club should focus less on being tough wrt minor indiscretions and focus more on showing some common sense and being united. Too much throwing people under a bus for mine. Little wonder the players often lapse into self preservation mode. If Daisy was still a Pies player, no way Eddie would have banished him.
The fact that we suspended him has people thinking there is more in it.
Yes I agree.
Further fans are reacting to this news after the fact.
The media and the club clearly knew about this before the weekend, it raises questions around why it took so long to surface. In the old days it would have been in the Saturday morning editions! It's pretty clear the club approved the excursion.
MLG and Lloyd were both active in the broadcast media on Saturday and Sunday before the game, but there was NADA in that content! They had the opportunity to cut off the serpents head but instead by inaction they offered it a sacrifice!
It would have been as simple as one of them steering a conversation and making some proactive statement like this on Saturday,
"At Carlton, we want to be part of the wider community, for example Daisy spent last night volunteering his time at a charity diner to raise funds for Camp Quality!"Sorted, issue dead and buried, it's that simple! If any smart-ar5e blogger or journo tries to raise the drinking issue after that sort of public pronunciation they just make themselves look like an asshole! Because making a football issue around a charity fund raiser for sick children means you are an asshole, Caro!
When it broke the way it broke Monday, all we had to pose as a question was this on Tuesday,
"Why is Caro(or The Media if you wish to be less personal) politicising a children's cancer charity fund-raiser, is that really how low we are prepared to go?"Yet NADA!
McGuire, as much as I hate him, has us covered in spades. I don't know who manages or advises our club on media issues but they are dead-set worthless!
Yes I agree.
Further fans are reacting to this news after the fact.
The media and the club clearly knew about this before the weekend, it raises questions around why it took so long to surface. In the old days it would have been in the Saturday morning editions! It's pretty clear the club approved the excursion.
MLG and Lloyd were both active in the broadcast media on Saturday and Sunday before the game, but there was NADA in that content! They had the opportunity to cut off the serpents head but instead by inaction they offered it a sacrifice!
It would have been as simple as one of them steering a conversation and making some proactive statement like this on Saturday,
"At Carlton, we want to be part of the wider community, for example Daisy spent last night volunteering his time at a charity diner to raise funds for Camp Quality!"
Sorted, issue dead and buried, it's that simple! If any smart-ar5e blogger or journo tries to raise the drinking issue after that sort of public pronunciation they just make themselves look like an asshole! Because making a football issue around a charity fund raiser for sick children means you are an asshole, Caro!
When it broke the way it broke Monday, all we had to pose as a question was this on Tuesday,
"Why is Caro(or The Media if you wish to be less personal) politicising a children's cancer charity fund-raiser, is that really how low we are prepared to go?"
Yet NADA!
McGuire, as much as I hate him, has us covered in spades. I don't know who manages or advises our club on media issues but they are dead-set worthless!
We really don't know how much and when the club knew.
Judd seemed 'not too sure' on the TV Monday night.
Wilson suggested that after an initial inquiry the club were going back to Thomas for clarification.
The clubs integrity manager Craig Millar conducted an investigation.
So it was probably a bit premature for the club to go on the front foot on Saturday morning
Judd on Monday night...
Judd said he had no problems with a player having one or two drinks before a game, but acknowledged it was a bad look given Carlton's plight.
Thomas allegedly has told the club he had two glasses of wine at the dinner.
"I'm not one to 'infantise' players - if players have a single beer or a couple of wines over dinner, I don't have a huge problem," Judd told Channel Nine's Footy Classified.
"Needless to say, drinking, full-stop, in public, two days before a game when you're 1-9, fails the stupidity test clearly.
"So we'll wait and see what the result of the investigations are - I actually don't have the detail, I'm not spinning that.
If we had taken this tack
"Why is Caro(or The Media if you wish to be less personal) politicising a children's cancer charity fund-raiser, is that really how low we are prepared to go?"I reckon we would have been cut to pieces for trying to deflect it using 'cancer charity' as a cover. It would backfire.
You see the wider community doesn't regard the media as biased against Carlton...they just see them as reporting on a struggling club having another issue to deal with with.
I agree we need to be more proactive but this one isn't a battle we would win.
If we had taken this tack
"Why is Caro(or The Media if you wish to be less personal) politicising a children's cancer charity fund-raiser, is that really how low we are prepared to go?"
I reckon we would have been cut to pieces for trying to deflect it using 'cancer charity' as a cover.
You see the wider community doesn't regard the Media as biased against Carlton...they just see them as reporting on a struggling club having another issue to deal with with.
I agree we need to be more proactive but this one isn't a battle we would win.
What the wider community think is irrelevant, if you want to build unity and a culture what Carlton people think, the coaches, players, families, staff, sponsors and fans is the really important perspective.
If the publicly exposed order of events had been different in most cases it's usually first in best dressed. I'm not sure you can make the bolded argument retrospectively. In my experience the opening statement sets the agenda and perspective, it's why print and broadcast media structure reports and headlines the way they do, they know most people form opinion on the first line or two of a report and never read or pay attention to the rest!
Have a look at CheatsFC, despite the early claims being clearly exposed as false, to this day it's still the opinion of CheatsFC fans that the players were ignorant of any wrong doing! But that lie by deliberate omission of a fact, set up the structure of support for the players and ultimately stronger support for CheatsFC as a club!
What the wider community think is irrelevant, if you want to build unity and a culture what Carlton people think, the coaches, players, families, staff, sponsors and fans is the really important perspective.
If the publicly exposed order of events had been different in most cases it's usually first in best dressed. I'm not sure you can make the bolded argument retrospectively. In my experience the opening statement sets the agenda and perspective, it's why print and broadcast media structure reports and headlines the way they do, they know most people form opinion on the first line or two of a report and never read or pay attention to the rest!
Have a look at CheatsFC, despite the early claims being clearly exposed as false, to this day it's still the opinion of CheatsFC fans that the players were ignorant of any wrong doing! But that lie by deliberate omission of a fact, set up the structure of support for the players and ultimately stronger support for CheatsFC as a club!
My father was a journalist and what you say is true about structuring reports.
The thing is "Daisy will attend a children's cancer function" would hardly have raised an eyebrow.
Good bloke playing good football for a struggling club ….but it would only get a paragraph if a mention at all.
It might be a nice piece for the club website in the aftermath.
"Daisy drinks too much at function" is a much larger story.
The fact that it was a cancer charity function was reported extensively.
The reason I think the bit you wrote about using the charity function as a defence would backfire is that I'm a Carlton tragic and a Daisy fan....and I felt uncomfortable that would be the line we'd take.
The reason I think the bit you wrote about using the charity function as a defence would backfire is that I'm a Carlton tragic and a Daisy fan....and I felt uncomfortable that would be the line we'd take.
It's an uncomfortable job Lods, media, marketing and spin, but if you are in it you have to be in it up to your neck!
And again, this feeling you have is after the fact, we can't change that now because the first thing we heard was about Bad Daisy! Caro knows that!
If on the other-hand the first thing you had heard or read was that Daisy was out late Friday voluntarily raising money for a children's cancer charity, just two nights before the game, you'd have an immediate warm glow despite our poor on-field history!
By the way, no variant of this stops Caro being an asshole, that is retained in either frame of reference!
Rather than banishing him to the vfl we get him to acknowledge his stuff up, issue him a fine with proceeds to said charity and we move on.
Club could cover the fine and everyone is happy.
Or we could have just given him a warning like what every other club would have done.
Rather than banishing him to the vfl we get him to acknowledge his stuff up, issue him a fine with proceeds to said charity and we move on.
Club could cover the fine and everyone is happy.
Because internally that would be seen as a slap on the wrist and the younger crop wouldn't get the message.
Or we could have just given him a warning like what every other club would have done.
Why cant he follow the rules he and all the other senior players set?
It was such a minor offence.
About a quarter of all AFL players have taken drugs, but yeah let's pretend that isn't happening and crack down on veteran drinking a couple of shiraz's at a charity event.
It was such a minor offence.
About a quarter of all AFL players have taken drugs, but yeah let's pretend that isn't happening and crack down on veteran drinking a couple of shiraz's at a charity event.
I understand what you mean but why cant he follow the rules? Why didnt he go to the senior boys prior and tell them he was going to have a few wines? As I said, stories are circulating that it wasnt just a couple of wines at a charity dinner. In any case, we are 1-9, he had a poor game and its not a good look.
Or we could have just given him a warning like what every other club would have done.
I'd be happy with that. Problem is we're supposed to be developing a culture based on behavior consistent with core values. Said system applies values and sanctions consistently. This is unlike some club's who apply sanctions inconsistently (tigers, hawks ....) where some are untouchables.
Because internally that would be seen as a slap on the wrist and the younger crop wouldn't get the message.
The shame in the public domain is a deterrent.
It's not like he threatened someone with a chopstick.
FWIW the timing is impeccable. We are dropping a very important player for a winnable game for no good reason, AND it's a punishment that doesn't fit the crime which we don't see dished out too often.
You know when we sacked Robinson I backed the club. This time, I'm not sure. Daisy has enough credits in the bank where this seems very overeactive.
The shame in the public domain is a deterrent.
It's not like he threatened someone with a chopstick.
FWIW the timing is impeccable. We are dropping a very important player for a winnable game for no good reason, AND it's a punishment that doesn't fit the crime which we don't see dished out too often.
You know when we sacked Robinson I backed the club. This time, I'm not sure. Daisy has enough credits in the bank where this seems very overeactive.
One of the few elder statesmen and influential mentors we have got on the sauce in public a couple of days before a game. That's setting a terrible example for the youngsters who clearly look up to Daisy.
The easy option would be to fine him. The best and harder option is to hit him where it hurts and stop him playing the game he loves. That sends a message to the entire list that we're serious about driving change and striving to be our best at all times.
Damien Barrett
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anyone can produce the clause in a player's contract where it says you can't do something legal and have a few drinks at a charity function ...
then
please forward it. Yep, get that it's bad image. But that's all it is. If the Blues were 9-1 and not 1-9, they would’ve made this go away, and Daisy would be playing. Don't ever forget - Hawthorn, chasing a history-making third consecutive flag in 2015, allowed Hodge to play in a qualifying final a week after he was done for drink-driving.
I haven't heard this mentioned to much (apart from Terry Wallace) which seems a lot worse and he played finals
"Hawthorn Luke Hodge being busted for drink driving a week out from the AFL finals after "a couple of drinks" at a social function"
Whether we think the punishment was fair or not...
Peers sitting in judgement are often harsher and hold each other to higher standards.
Once the players had control of the punishment the club couldn't intervene and overrule them without undermining them.
Whether we think the punishment was fair or not...
Peers sitting in judgement are often harsher and hold each other to higher standards.
Once the players had control of the punishment the club couldn't intervene and overrule them without undermining them.
As much as I respect that idea, I don't think it's that black and white Lods!
In the spectrum of participation, analogously AFL leadership groups sit somewhere between primary school and VCE, there will still be a guiding hand involved to some extent! So it's neither Lord of the Flies or Vladimir Putin!
Bolton says Daisy is not a certainty to return due to multiple reasons, form being one of them.
Bolton says Daisy is not a certainty to return due to multiple reasons, form being one of them.
Yep, saw that :
https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl/future-unclear-for-thomas-as-blues-gear-up-for-essendon-20190531-p51t53.html
Bolton says Daisy is not a certainty to return due to multiple reasons, form being one of them.
I'm going out on a limb and saying the form thing is rubbish.
He's been one of only around 3 or 4 guys that has been consistently good this season.
I'm going out on a limb and saying the form thing is rubbish.
He's been one of only around 3 or 4 guys that has been consistently good this season.
I think what Bolton meant was that Daisy's good form does not guarantee a return to the seniors next week - that they will be taking into account a few things when making their decision.
I think what Bolton meant was that Daisy's good form does not guarantee a return to the seniors next week - that they will be taking into account a few things when making their decision.
I think "form" in that context refers to the blokes in the 22. If those playing Daisy-type roles do well, he stays in the NBs. If they play poorly, he comes back in. No disrespect to Daisy, but I'd prefer to see him languishing in the NBs for a while ... but I don't think that's going to happen.
One of the few elder statesmen and influential mentors we have got on the sauce in public a couple of days before a game. That's setting a terrible example for the youngsters who clearly look up to Daisy.
The easy option would be to fine him. The best and harder option is to hit him where it hurts and stop him playing the game he loves. That sends a message to the entire list that we're serious about driving change and striving to be our best at all times.
"Kill one save many"
I think "form" in that context refers to the blokes in the 22. If those playing Daisy-type roles do well, he stays in the NBs. If they play poorly, he comes back in. No disrespect to Daisy, but I'd prefer to see him languishing in the NBs for a while ... but I don't think that's going to happen.
I suspect you are right, I don't think Daisy has got any worries at all, half the kids in the team at the moment do not deserve their spot!
I think the Club's stance is a tad hypocritical and misguided. I much prefer the stance taken by the Hawks wrt Hodge. The message I get is every man for themselves. If someone like Mummy takes you out, you're on your own. And if you commit a minor misdemeanor, we'll hang you out to dry. That's not how you build unity, and it's far too literal an application of standards and values. What if there was no "optics"? What if it didn't come to the public's attention ? Would he still be dropped ?
I think the Club's stance is a tad hypocritical and misguided. I much prefer the stance taken by the Hawks wrt Hodge. The message I get is every man for themselves. If someone like Mummy takes you out, you're on your own. And if you commit a minor misdemeanor, we'll hang you out to dry. That's not how you build unity, and it's far too literal an application of standards and values. What if there was no "optics"? What if it didn't come to the public's attention ? Would he still be dropped ?
I agree with this 100%.
Privately we can do the discipline stuff but publicly we must be seen to "stick fat", and we are doing the opposite of "Stick Fat" whatever that is!
As much as I respect that idea, I don't think it's that black and white Lods!
In the spectrum of participation, analogously AFL leadership groups sit somewhere between primary school and VCE, there will still be a guiding hand involved to some extent! So it's neither Lord of the Flies or Vladimir Putin!
We'll never know the extent of club involvement so we believe what we want to.
When Judd was asked what would happen to him on Monday night he said that it was "for the players to decide."
There may indeed have been some club 'suggestions' but in a week where the Captains took it upon themselves to have a player meeting I find it difficult to imagine that Cripps and Docherty would not have been quite comfortable with the penalty.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/hawthorn/luke-hodge-fined-5000-for-drink-driving-by-hawthorn-but-free-to-play-finals/news-story/03d5085aaf6c1cb0b9961fd5f48e7f0d
This is how it's done. Did Daisy even drive home, or did his partner drive ?
The language used in the article is much better controlled than we have allowed. Particularly the rhetoric surrounding what happened.
There is a point of difference the incidents have. Hodge was fined by the police, and suspended so he had external punishment to go with it, and he was suspended from playing at the time of his indiscretion which means he was technically not breaking their team drinking rules.
Daisy seems to have.
I have really mixed feelings about it as I both agree and disagree with the outcome which means its probably ok.
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There is a point of difference the incidents have. Hodge was fined by the police, and suspended so he had external punishment to go with it, and he was suspended from playing at the time of his indiscretion which means he was technically not breaking their team drinking rules.
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I'm not sure teams think it's ok to hit the turps if you've been rubbed out. He's already done the wrong thing by being suspended, and the drink driving was a 2nd wrong thing. In my view, it's worse than Daisy's situation. I'm also not sure that "the Police have already punished him" line is valid. If that was us, we would have punished way beyond a fine in my view.
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/hawthorn/luke-hodge-fined-5000-for-drink-driving-by-hawthorn-but-free-to-play-finals/news-story/03d5085aaf6c1cb0b9961fd5f48e7f0d
This is how it's done. Did Daisy even drive home, or did his partner drive ?
Train surfed home while drinking a bottle of Jack Daniels.
Train surfed home while drinking a bottle of Jack Daniels.
Who ?
I'm not sure teams think it's ok to hit the turps if you've been rubbed out. He's already done the wrong thing by being suspended, and the drink driving was a 2nd wrong thing. In my view, it's worse than Daisy's situation. I'm also not sure that "the Police have already punished him" line is valid. If that was us, we would have punished way beyond a fine in my view.
Spot on.
Train surfed home while drinking a bottle of Jack Daniels.
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Clearly, I'm no match for the wit, subtlety and sophistication of the Engineering crowd. :-*
Clearly, I'm no match for the wit, subtlety and sophistication of the Engineering crowd. :-*
Still love ya Pauly ;)
Train surfed home while drinking a bottle of Jack Daniels.
Class that can only be picked up from the rich traditions of the Collingwood FC.????
Still love ya Pauly ;)
You better - I'm the possessive type. :D
Class that can only be picked up from the rich traditions of the Collingwood FC.????
Just like Fazzy boy's off season antics. Once a toothless feral, always a toothless feral. :P
"Kill one save many"
Surprised i've beaten crash for this one.
"The needs of the many, outweigh the needs of the few...or the one"
I reckon the many would prefer having one of our in form senior players alongside them helping to win the match.
BTW Daisy's form has been much better than just about anyone else in our team (Captain aside) and if they think that some hack like Fas or Lang are going to keep him out of the side, then maybe we do need to change the coach.
BTW Daisy's form has been much better than just about anyone else in our team (Captain aside) and if they think that some hack like Fas or Lang are going to keep him out of the side, then maybe we do need to change the coach.
Unless there's an agenda, or unless Bolton really has lost it, you think Daisy would be a lock to return next week.