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Title: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: crashlander on June 17, 2015, 02:46:39 pm
2:10 at Ikon Park (Princes Park) on Saturday 20th June.
Hopefully we can come back from the bye with a few more guys on the field, although losing Warnock, Judd and Thomas in 1 week is pretty debilitating. Jamison, Byrne and Gibbs coming back will strengthen things a little. There will be a few guys coming back from the seniors and looking for a quick return.
Aurrichio still looks like the only ruckman, although Bolger did well in the development team last week. But if Werribee have anything like a decent ruck brigade, then we are starting at a considerable disadvantage.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: crashlander on June 18, 2015, 08:02:16 pm
Northern Blues vs. Werribee Tigers       

Saturday, Jun 20
IKON Park at 2.15pm

Northern Blues

B: Fields Jaksch McGuinness
HB:  Wilkinson Jamison Gowers
C: Tutt Walsh Viojo
HF Bransgrove Watson Ellard
F Johnson Jones Boekhorst
R: Aurrichio Holman Whiley
Int: Wilson Russell Cattapan Aujla* Murray Armitage Dirago Foster Smith
 

 

Werribee Tigers

B: Sodomaco Wilson Sherlock
HB: Laracy Mihocek McMahon
C:  McDonald Hanson Norris
HF: Crichton Porter Fordham
F: Turner Wood Speight
R:  Daw Bolton Conway
Int: Maishman Munro H. Wales Robinson Wallace Harper Hussey Holman* E. Wales
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: crashlander on June 18, 2015, 08:59:01 pm
Northern Blues vs. Werribee Tigers       

Saturday, Jun 20
IKON Park at 11.15am

Northern Blues
B: Porter J. Roberts Boscarini
HB: Kilpatrick Dirago Johnston
C: Totevski Soncin Strachan
HF: Russell Walton Armitage
F: Murray Foster Wilson
R: Bolger Ballard Cattapan
Int: Langwell Schiavello McDonald Toman Asani Gilbert Stevens M. Gleeson Jenkins Perry Haynes Conlon McDonough

Werribee Tigers
B: Iles Maddock Helliwell
HB: H. Wales Brett Pickering
C: Harper Hussey Maishman
HF: Robinson Kolang Adams
F: E. Wales Stretton Munro
R: Wallace King Del Papa
Int: Jawad Burton O'Shea Jago Walson Esposito Killworth Taylor Weston Krithararis Ferrari Pepper Christensen
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: Mantis on June 18, 2015, 09:04:50 pm
How is Jaksch listed for NB and Carlton for Saturdays game. He won't be running out for Carlton, will he because he is an emergency for the seniors only? Is that right.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: crashlander on June 18, 2015, 09:36:01 pm
How is Jaksch listed for NB and Carlton for Saturdays game. He won't be running out for Carlton, will he because he is an emergency for the seniors only? Is that right.
It is usual for at least 1 of the emergencies to be at the ground until the teams runs out onto the ground. Late injuries and injuries during the warm up have occurred.
Assuming there isn't one, someone will drive Jaksch up to Princes Park for the VFL game. He may get there in time, he may not. Usually, if he is playing, things will have been organized and he will be on the VFL team sheet, even if he doesn't run out with the guys before the 1st bounce. He will then run out when he arrives and kits up.
He has about 30 minutes to get from the Underground Car Park to Ikon Park.
Sometimes the logistics don't work out and the player misses. More than once guys have come on as late as Quarter time.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: Professer E on June 18, 2015, 09:48:02 pm
What's happened to Matty Dick?  Seems to have vanished...  all the hoo ha surrounding his much vaunted recruitment seems to have evaporated.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: Mantis on June 18, 2015, 09:51:50 pm
Thanks for that explain Crash. I never figured they would have enough time to pull this off. I've seen names listed in the past with a potential clash and wondered what the club did about it. I thought I would ask for once, so sorry if I am a nuff nuff in this area.  ;)
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: crashlander on June 19, 2015, 08:54:05 am
Thanks for that explain Crash. I never figured they would have enough time to pull this off. I've seen names listed in the past with a potential clash and wondered what the club did about it. I thought I would ask for once, so sorry if I am a nuff nuff in this area.  ;)
Non worries, mate. Nobody is a nuff nuff in this area: clubs seem to make up the rules as they go along. This has only really become an issue in recent times when the VFL and the AFL have started playing their affiliates at approximately the same time. To me it is a stupid idea that makes the logistics for a club like Carlton so much harder. We've had guys trying to get to Frankston from the city with a 20 minute window in recent times. The idea is silly and makes sure that AFL teams can't get their supporters to VFL games.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: Professer E on June 19, 2015, 09:35:09 am
Looks like one of the better balanced NB's sides we've seen for a while, just need to play to their ability.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: crashlander on June 19, 2015, 01:02:19 pm
What's happened to Matty Dick?  Seems to have vanished...  all the hoo ha surrounding his much vaunted recruitment seems to have evaporated.
That is a good question. He hasn't played in the last couple of weeks and he has received no mention in dispatches.
Whatever his issues, hopefully he can get over them soon. I'd rather he showed us what he's got.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: cimm1979 on June 19, 2015, 01:41:07 pm
That is a good question. He hasn't played in the last couple of weeks and he has received no mention in dispatches.
Whatever his issues, hopefully he can get over them soon. I'd rather he showed us what he's got.

Matthew Dick Calf 1 week
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: crashlander on June 19, 2015, 08:52:06 pm
Matthew Dick Calf 1 week
Hopefully only 1 week. Ciaran Byrne's hamstring was supposed to be about 1 week, but it has kept him out for nearly half a season.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: Rational_Expectations on June 20, 2015, 05:19:56 pm
Won by 4 points.

Watson 6 gls. Whiley 28 disp, Boekhorst 26. The latter was apparently quite good.

Jamison unscathed.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on June 20, 2015, 05:23:57 pm
Watto with six goals!! He's earned his crack see you later Walker.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: RiverRat on June 20, 2015, 06:31:15 pm
Watto with six goals!! He's earned his crack see you later Walker.

With the slowest AFL key defender playing for the Power today, Watto might missed his best chance.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on June 20, 2015, 09:10:50 pm
Kicked six goals RR, has earned another chance.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: crashlander on June 20, 2015, 09:40:00 pm
2015 AFL Victoria Development League
Northern Blues   4.2  6.6  12.10  13.12 (90)
Werribee Tigers   1.4  2.4  9.6  14.8 (92)

GOALS:
Northern Blues: Murray 3 Bolger 3 Armitage 2 Schiavello 2 Dirago  Walton  Cattapan
Werribee Tigers: Christensen 3 Kolang 3 Ferrari 2 Iles  Stretton  Pepper  Brett  O'Shea  Taylor

BEST:
Northern Blues: Soncin Ballard Murray Cattapan Johnston Walton
Werribee Tigers: Ferrari Weston Krithararis King Wales Kolang

Very stiff. Deserved to win.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: crashlander on June 20, 2015, 09:45:39 pm
2015 Peter Jackson VFL
Northern Blues   1.2  6.6  14.10  16.10 (106)
Werribee Tigers   3.6  7.8  9.10  15.12 (102)

GOALS:
Northern Blues: Watson 6 Foster 2 Johnson 2 Jaksch  Jones  Boekhorst  Wilson  Russell  Holman
Werribee Tigers: Harper 3 Turner 3 Daw 3 Porter 2 Robinson  Wood  Hanson  Munro

BEST:
Northern Blues: Watson Whiley Ellard Tutt Wilson Boekhorst
Werribee Tigers: Wilson Bolton Wood Hanson Turner Daw

This was marvelous news: almost as good as having the seniors win!

DISPOSALS: Whiley 28, Ellard 28, Boekhorst 26, Holman 22, Tutt 21, Wilson 21, Walsh 20
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: RiverRat on June 21, 2015, 12:02:44 am
Kicked six goals RR, has earned another chance.

In place of ???
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: Juddkreuzer on June 21, 2015, 12:30:22 am
Watto with six goals!! He's earned his crack see you later Walker.


Agree on Walker, he is one we need to trade, but I don't want Watson tarnishing our brand in the senior side. Had too many chances and will never make the grade.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: Lods on June 21, 2015, 07:29:23 am
In place of ???

re Watson
Good question.
No-one on yesterday's performance (unless we give Wood a break and just go with Kreuzer and Casboult  as the two rucks.)
I'd prefer to see Watson back it up before a call-up

But it begs another Question
What's the goal for the rest of the season?
Rotate players through the senior side, or just play the best side and go for the wins?

We've seen Graham go well once given the chance.
The thing is it can't be just 'one game' opportunities for these guys it needs to be 3 or 4 in a row.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on June 21, 2015, 07:54:27 am
I would drop Walker and make Watto sub. Start from there. Happy to see Watto reproduce again if need be but he's been the leading goalkicker for the reserves three weeks running now hasn't he?
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 21, 2015, 10:27:33 am
I would drop Walker and make Watto sub. Start from there. Happy to see Watto reproduce again if need be but he's been the leading goalkicker for the reserves three weeks running now hasn't he?

Watto in is going to mess with team balance unless they drop someone like Wood IMO.....Walker out would probably mean Whiley or Boekhorst in as they are more like for like.
Gibbs might get a week for that tackle on Gray so Walker might stay in...
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: northernblue on June 21, 2015, 10:38:49 am
A question for the regular NB watchers...
Have the NB altered their gameplan ? ie has the Carlton coaching change filtered down ?
I was wondering if MM was trying to implement a "standard" playing style across cfc/NB ?

Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: cimm1979 on June 21, 2015, 10:58:41 am
Watsons only hope is if Casboult, Krooz, Rowe and Henderson are all injured at the same time.

He's the KPP of last resort.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on June 21, 2015, 01:39:06 pm
(http://i.imgur.com/N1XjdIe.png)
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: jeza on June 21, 2015, 02:46:56 pm
Boekhorst 27 disposals = outstanding news.

Hope to see him back soon. Perfect player for the way we are playing now. More speed would be good.

Whiley also good to see but he's going to have to wait for an injury to Carrazzo / Cripps as he is a slower in and under type. Looks like his body needs another year or two also. Good to see some guys hitting a bit of form though. Reasonable opposition too.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: crashlander on June 21, 2015, 04:28:42 pm
Thanks for the stats, PI2C, you can tell quite a bit from at times.
[1] I remain disappointed with Viojo - Rainbow, Gowers, Johnson, Foster and Smith. They seem to be really struggling at the moment.
Foster's best game was against North Ballarat a few weeks back when they played as a curtain raiser. He played that day in defence. other than that, I don't think he has bettered 10 possessions in any game.
Smith got senior games earlier this year, but he is struggling to stay in the VFL at the moment. Confidence? Homesickness? I don't know.
Gowers does some very nice cameos and has played some reasonable games in defence, but he seems to be struggling to get the ball. Last year he was getting approximately double the possessions he is getting now.
Viojo Rainbow was highly rated last year. His kicking is very nice, but not so good when he is only getting 10 or 11 per game. He doesn't appear to want it enough at the moment.
Johsnon has gone backwards and will struggle to remain on the list unless he gets more of the ball.

So, at the moment we are going in maybe 4 - 5 players short.

[2] I'd be happy with how Aurrichio is going. He may have had only 8 possessions, but he managed 37 taps and we won the midfield contest.

[3] We do appear to seriously lack depth in the Preston side of the equation. Wilson, Wilkinson and McGuinness have been the standouts. It would be nice if we had a bit more strength on the VFL list.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: RiverRat on June 21, 2015, 07:15:33 pm
Watsons only hope is if Casboult, Krooz, Rowe and Henderson are all injured at the same time.

He's the KPP of last resort.


That sounds about right.

In relation to the stats sheet - it would be great if someone who actually saw the game could comment on the 8 kicks and 8 marks for 6 goals.

We all know he can kick and that Watto is quite capable of marking if he is on his own or strongly advantaged in a one-on-one contest but he is less than useful in a contested marking situation against any decent opposition - so the stats mean little without some eye witness context.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: RiverRat on June 21, 2015, 07:18:30 pm

It would be nice if we had a bit more strength on the VFL list.

Unlikely to happen unless VFL listed players get well paid or a given a decent chance of senior selection on the basis of their performance - as was the case when Teague was coaching.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on June 21, 2015, 07:27:50 pm
That sounds about right.

In relation to the stats sheet - it would be great if someone who actually saw the game could comment on the 8 kicks and 8 marks for 6 goals.

We all know he can kick and that Watto is quite capable of marking if he is on his own or strongly advantaged in a one-on-one contest but he is less than useful in a contested marking situation against any decent opposition - so the stats mean little without some eye witness context.

Kicked three goals in five minutes. Apparently took two very strong contested marks.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: bmaurizio on June 22, 2015, 05:55:48 pm
I'd give whiley Watson and Boekhurst a go  in place of White, Wood and Gibbs.
We'll be adding speed, and another forward target.
Also will be very interesting to see how new found team enthusiasm, a free style and hard positive working ethic , has on the rest of the fringe players for the rest of the season.
Ciao
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: cookie2 on June 22, 2015, 06:33:47 pm
If Watto does not get a go after a 6 goal performance he may as well clear out his locker now.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: Rational_Expectations on June 22, 2015, 07:55:39 pm
Here are the goals. Boekhurst caught my eye a few times, especially when he burst out of the guts about a minute in.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RrmZqaxhX1k
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on June 22, 2015, 08:04:43 pm
WOW how forking good was Boekhorst?? Must come in this week for Walker.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 22, 2015, 08:08:42 pm
Here are the goals. Boekhurst caught my eye a few times, especially when he burst out of the guts about a minute in.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RrmZqaxhX1k

Agree..Boekhorst was impressive..Whiley looked to get some ball according to the stats but didnt look that clean with the footy....Holman impresses me.
Watto.....kicked six but I didnt get that buzz from how he played and a couple of those goals fell his way, he does kick well but I remain unconvinced...
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: Mantis on June 22, 2015, 08:45:59 pm
I agree Boekhorst in for Walker and the others look good in the footage. If Gibbs is out for 2 weeks we need to promote another. Love to have Byrne back in our side. Him or Sheehan. How is Watson not getting a game if we are getting our entries into forward 50m so fast that the other sides defenders are caught off guard ?
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on June 22, 2015, 08:47:41 pm
Yup. If Gibbs is out then also drop Walker, bring in Boekey and Watto, play Armfield as the sub.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: Professer E on June 22, 2015, 08:55:58 pm
Thanks for the link.

Gees Watson can kick given time with the ball but around the ground Boekhorst was very damaging (more like his WAFL play) as was Holman.  Foster took two good marks and showed something as well.

But the general field kicking looked very average and the other thing that stood out was the treatment Werribee handed out after a mark was taken etc... talk about something that needs to be looked at... the dive onto Johnson after he took a mark was especially poor IMO.

p.s. there was one clear sling tackle in that footage!  No free... play on!
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: cimm1979 on June 22, 2015, 09:08:09 pm
Boek used to sell a lot of candy in the WAFL.

Love that he's IN the stoppages not lurking as a get out handball option.
He and Sheehan have the same bouncing style.????

Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: MilkIt on June 23, 2015, 12:04:31 am
Boek used to sell a lot of candy in the WAFL.

Love that he's IN the stoppages not lurking as a get out handball option.
He and Sheehan have the same bouncing style.????

He doesn't look like he has elite pace (as we were told by Shane Rogers) but he looks like he has that extra time in close quarters like Pendlebury. Part of that comes from making the opponent unsure of what your next move will be (selling candy etc.). Still looks very light.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: LP on June 23, 2015, 08:18:35 am
Aurrichio looks a likely rookie.

Fosters goal square grab shows something.

Whiley might be in the Cripps double act in 2016.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: ItsOurTime on June 23, 2015, 09:04:33 am
Not sold on the coyote, if he fails to get a game and continues to do okay in the twos, that would tell me SOS doesn't rate him.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: Navy Maven on June 23, 2015, 01:11:58 pm
Watto needs to get a go this week. With Jamo still out we could play Hendo down back and have Watson, Casboult and Kreuzer up forward. With the Suns depleted stocks at the moment, an extra tall to cover would be a stretch. Boekhorst in for Gibbs this week.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: northernblue on June 23, 2015, 03:13:59 pm
Not sold on the coyote, if he fails to get a game and continues to do okay in the twos, that would tell me SOS doesn't rate him.

Some people need to read job descriptions.
Is SOS head of recruiting or match committee ?

Edit:
SOS is doing an outstanding job at the moment, I've never seen our boots so well studded... Kudos SOS, next week you're in the membership dept...
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: ItsOurTime on June 23, 2015, 08:45:08 pm
Some people need to read job descriptions.
Is SOS head of recruiting or match committee ?

List Management, so neither....

He'd have a fair idea about the fellas from GWS and it is naive to think he wouldn't let his opinion be known.

Club doesn't publish the MC anymore but I wouldn't be surprised if SOS was on it.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: malo on June 24, 2015, 08:50:13 am
Thanks for the link.

Gees Watson can kick given time with the ball 

Can he what....that first one had to be 60m !  And kicking from 50 was a breeze.  He looked ok mobility wise too.  One bit of play caught my eye, Jaksch attack on the the ball, clean pick up on the run & goal from around 45.  Showed some class there.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: Lods on June 24, 2015, 09:43:48 am
I'd actually like to think Silvagni is having some input into team selections.
Hopefully he and Barker are working together to give some of the fringe players an opportunity to show their stuff before hard decisions are made.

We are going to need to cull a few players at the end of the year. As we've seen some players can perform better playing a different style of game. You'd hate to let one of these guys go and see them develop at another club in exactly a role we end up lacking.

A couple at a time, give these players two or three games in a row and then stamp their papers...or in some cases put a new paper in front of them to sign.

Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: cookie2 on June 24, 2015, 10:13:11 am
I'd actually like to think Silvagni is having some input into team selections.
Hopefully he and Barker are working together to give some of the fringe players an opportunity to show their stuff before hard decisions are made.

We are going to need to cull a few players at the end of the year. As we've seen some players can perform better playing a different style of game. You'd hate to let one of these guys go and see them develop at another club in exactly a role we end up lacking.

A couple at a time, give these players two or three games in a row and then stamp their papers...or in some cases put a new paper in front of them to sign.

I'm sure SOS would be working closely with Barker at this time as both are primarily focused currently on developing our list. Giving each of our players a fair run in a controlled way would be a concern of both I would think.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: cimm1979 on June 24, 2015, 10:38:03 am
When Baker got the job he said something like he'd be working with SOS to asses the list.

I took it to mean that they would have a plan to have a look at certain players on the list through seeing who gets games.

I would be surprised if we didn't see guys like Holman, Graham (happening now), Boek, KJ etc get some blocks of games and not with the vest on.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: LP on June 24, 2015, 01:07:11 pm
When Baker got the job he said something like he'd be working with SOS to asses the list.

I took it to mean that they would have a plan to have a look at certain players on the list through seeing who gets games.

I would be surprised if we didn't see guys like Holman, Graham (happening now), Boek, KJ etc get some blocks of games and not with the vest on.

I don't think they need to assess someone like Jaksch, he just needs to get himself right.

But the rookies had better be given a run here and there to see how they go, they have to demonstrate an ability to step up a level.
Title: Re: VFL Round 10: Northern Blues vs, Werribee at Carlton
Post by: cimm1979 on June 24, 2015, 02:57:58 pm
I don't think they need to assess someone like Jaksch, he just needs to get himself right.

But the rookies had better be given a run here and there to see how they go, they have to demonstrate an ability to step up a level.

Of course they need to asses KJ.

His pre-season form was solid but he's had injuries and form drop off since.

They need to see what this kid brings before the seasons out, it will determine what type o player he is, where he should play (some talk he might be a forward eventually) and that impacts on recruiting, trading and drafting.

I'd like to see him i a side that has Rowe and Jamo going well and KJ gets the third tall, basically getting the role White is doing now, although White is getting the second tall sometimes.