Who woulda thunk ??
Sunday afternoon at the MCG, will be a sellout too !!
Hard to know how it will pan out, if we play like we did up to 3/4 time today against the Power, we will get belted out of the park. Turn it on like we did in the last quarter and we will smash the Tigers.
Team selections will always be crucial, I reckon Duigan may have done enough to keep his slot as the sub but Casboult is a serious concern.
What would be ironic is if we were to knock over the Tigers in their first final for many years after finishing 9th.
Unless the Dagpies win by 700 goals tomorrow, it will us and the Tiggers on Sunday next.
So very, very interesting to read that the Tiggers were scared we would lose and the Kangabies would win - they were nervous about meeting them, but not us.
Seems the Tiggers lacked confidence had they had to play the Kangabies. They are extemely confident that they will beat us. Boastingly confident.
Given our current record against the Tigers we would have to be fairly confident about believing we can win.
With this mob it appears to be 90% of the battle. The Tigers have the opposite problem when facing navy blue (thankfully).
Fark!!! Sunday. Can't go. damn.
Unless the Dagpies win by 700 goals tomorrow, it will us and the Tiggers on Sunday next.
So very, very interesting to read that the Tiggers were scared we would lose and the Kangabies would win - they were nervous about meeting them, but not us.
Seems the Tiggers lacked confidence had they had to play the Kangabies. They are extemely confident that they will beat us. Boastingly confident.
Heard this type of thing from Bitchmond supporters during the week. Statements like 'kangas have the wood on us, we haven't beaten them in 10 games' to which I replied 'and you've beaten us once in the last 10'. Cue pin drop. And for what it's worth Rich v Nth last 10: Rich - 3, Nth - 6, 1 draw. They are trying to convince themselves, nothing more. I know which loss would hurt them more. We will get to see it on Sunday, if we can maintain pressure (scoreboard or otherwise) from the start of the game, sooner or later they will fold. In spite of the round one result we still own these pricks.
What would be ironic is if we were to knock over the Tigers in their first final for many years after finishing 9th.
Ironic indeed, and in my case there's some major crap stirring riding on the back of that irony. Brother-in-law is a die hard ninethmond fan. I only just started winding down from bagging him after our win a few weeks ago. The mind games start again tomorrow night at family Father's Day dinner.
Blues by plenty.
That win today, even if stolen, was for a reason?
Let's be clear on one thing. We need to assume the under dog status from the get go, or we're f@cked. The Tiglets want a cocky Carlton and they will use the scum penalty to emphasise our unworthiness. Lets bow and praise the mighty RFC for allowing us to challenge them on their crusade to become AFL premiers. Then smash them on the park!!! >:D
Let's be clear on one thing. We need to assume the under dog status from the get go, or we're f@cked. The Tiglets want a cocky Carlton and they will use the scum penalty to emphasise our unworthiness. Lets bow and praise the mighty RFC for allowing us to challenge them on their crusade to become AFL premiers. Then smash them on the park!!! >:D
Good point.... Noted
Lots of focus on Judd. I reckonhe plays.
Judd, Scotto, Mclean back next week?
Who goes out?
Ellard, Casboult and one other, maybe go in with one ruckman
It's my hope they play with the flair shown after half time today
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I'd rather Casboult in there than Warnock . At least he can hold a mark .
A good rev through the week might liven Levi up a bit again .
When are tickets on sale? Ive never been to a final and theres no way im missibg this one.
Whatever we do I just hope we don't play that stupid fkn stagnant round the boundary line crap where we turn it over and get cut up through the middle time and time again. Maybe the stubborn old fool will start Yazz down back as well.
I'd rather Casboult in there than Warnock . At least he can hold a mark .
A good rev through the week might liven Levi up a bit again .
I agree, but did the Bolt earn his spot?
Judd, Scotto, Mclean back next week?
Who goes out?
Ellard, Casboult and one other, maybe go in with one ruckman
It's my hope they play with the flair shown after half time today
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It's a final so we need to strengthen our defence.
Mick' gotta bring back Bootsma ????
Really happy it's on a Sunday.
Had it been a Saturday night I'd have had to miss it to watch the election coverage ;) :))
Really happy it's on a Sunday.
Had it been a Saturday night I'd have had to miss it to watch the election coverage ;) :))
Crowd will be down Saturday night Lodsie with all those intelligent pie supporters staying home to watch it ????
Warnock dominates the tap-outs each week, but it is not clear that we get advantage.
I don't blame RobbieW, maybe we are not capitalizing on what he does.
Whatever we do I just hope we don't play that stupid fkn stagnant round the boundary line crap where we turn it over and get cut up through the middle time and time again. Maybe the stubborn old fool will start Yazz down back as well.
Personally I dont like Yarran in the backline. He gets hurt the other way as he doesnt have a defensive bone in his body. Opo often played through him. We werent the side who conceded the most points against for no reason.
Really happy it's on a Sunday.
Had it been a Saturday night I'd have had to miss it to watch the election coverage ;) :))
Will it be a 1.10pm or 3pm kick off? Anyone know?
Whatever we do I just hope we don't play that stupid fkn stagnant round the boundary line crap where we turn it over and get cut up through the middle time and time again. Maybe the stubborn old fool will start Yazz down back as well.
Personally I dont like Yarran in the backline. He gets hurt the other way as he doesnt have a defensive bone in his body. Opo often played through him. We werent the side who conceded the most points against for no reason.
Wing for mine, his skill set is perfect but needs to be prepared to run all day and crack in at the odd centre bounce.
Really happy it's on a Sunday.
Had it been a Saturday night I'd have had to miss it to watch the election coverage ;) :))
Will it be a 1.10pm or 3pm kick off? Anyone know?
3:20pm
Judd, Scotto, Mclean back next week?
Who goes out?
Ellard, Casboult and one other, maybe go in with one ruckman
It's my hope they play with the flair shown after half time today
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It's a final so we need to strengthen our defence.
Mick' gotta bring back Bootsma ????
Scotland before Boots IMO
I still reckon Richmond were mad for beating Essendon. They would have ended up playing Port if they dropped that game and we would've ended up playing Collingwood (given they beat North today). So many things working in our favour right now. Come from behind victory gives a team momentum regardless of how badly they've been travelling. I'd be very nervous if I was a Tiger's fan right now.
I still reckon Richmond were mad for beating Essendon. They would have ended up playing Port if they dropped that game and we would've ended up playing Collingwood (given they beat North today). So many things working in our favour right now. Come from behind victory gives a team momentum regardless of how badly they've been travelling. I'd be very nervous if I was a Tiger's fan right now.
Can't just think one week ahead. The winner of the Port final will most likley get Fremantle at Fremantle now that the Cats are playing at SS.
Judd, Scotto, Mclean back next week?
Who goes out?
Ellard, Casboult and one other, maybe go in with one ruckman
It's my hope they play with the flair shown after half time today
.
It's a final so we need to strengthen our defence.
Mick' gotta bring back Bootsma ????
Scotland before Boots IMO
Tough week, I think Scotland and Judd are a must. Tigers strongest asset is midfield.
Who for? do we carry two rucks again? I would say one ruck has to go out and Scotland vs Duigan
For me it is out Warnock and Duigan in Scotland and Judd.
I still reckon Richmond were mad for beating Essendon. They would have ended up playing Port if they dropped that game and we would've ended up playing Collingwood (given they beat North today). So many things working in our favour right now. Come from behind victory gives a team momentum regardless of how badly they've been travelling. I'd be very nervous if I was a Tiger's fan right now.
Can't just think one week ahead. The winner of the Port final will most likley get Fremantle at Fremantle now that the Cats are playing at SS.
Right, but the winner of our final will most probably play Sydney in Sydney so what's the point? At least if Richmond had've played Port they would most probably have had a win. I think they will have more trouble against us.
What about our season says to people that they should have great confidence in this team?
Could not put away Essendon who over the last 6 weeks have lost their other 5 games by an average of about 55 points.
We have beaten Port and Richmond since the GC game and lost to the Bulldogs and Essendon. Both the Port and the Richmond game they should have put us away and if it was finals, I don't think you come back in either of those games.
Port have been a better team than us all year and if I was Richmond I would rather play the soft as crap Carlton, who 'may' show their class, but probably won't, than the Power who you know will give it everything and play it like it is the end of the world. Every day give me the soft cocks, because there is a huge chance our crap side shows up and they do to us what we done to Essendon in the finals a couple of years back and belt the pants off us.
I am embarrassed that we are playing finals with our performances this year and hold no excitement going into this weeks game. We have 11 wins for the season and many times have looked completely inept. I would rather just have the off-season roll on and see how next year shapes.
The cockiness of Richmond supporters is staggering. They are playing a team they've beaten once in 11 outings and yet still believe they are shoe ins. Some teams just match up well against others and we should be confident against this mob.
Casboult stays in for mine. Didn't think he was our worst player in the first half, we just needed more run. Our best ruck option is Kruezer and Cas. Kruezer can go forward and Cas can pinch hit ruck. Judd will be refreshed and ready to go. Don't no where Brock is at, but he slays the tigers usually. Can't wait to get tickets mon morn!!!!
I still reckon Richmond were mad for beating Essendon. They would have ended up playing Port if they dropped that game and we would've ended up playing Collingwood (given they beat North today). So many things working in our favour right now. Come from behind victory gives a team momentum regardless of how badly they've been travelling. I'd be very nervous if I was a Tiger's fan right now.
Can't just think one week ahead. The winner of the Port final will most likley get Fremantle at Fremantle now that the Cats are playing at SS.
Right, but the winner of our final will most probably play Sydney in Sydney so what's the point? At least if Richmond had've played Port they would most probably have had a win. I think they will have more trouble against us.
not if the hawks lose buddy. I think Syd win that first one.. It will be two brutal game games for either of those sides.
I reckon the reason we go alright against Richmond is because they are similar to us in terms of accountability, running both ways etc. Whoever can front run better may very well win the game! Also, Richmond have had two relatively bruise free games of footy against GWS and last night was an outside type of game. Not the best lead up to the finals IMO.
KB will be firing up this week on SEN will be worth tuning in for the week let's see how much he can jinx his beloved Tigers!
I am embarrassed that we are playing finals with our performances this year and hold no excitement going into this weeks game. We have 11 wins for the season and many times have looked completely inept. I would rather just have the off-season roll on and see how next year shapes.
Well, I feel sorry for you. I am definately excited even if we don't deserve to be there. I know we haven't been great this year but maybe, just maybe we do produce a game like we did against the Dawks at stinlin Ethard earlier this year when we were robbed by the maggots. I live in hope that the planets will be in alignment and we do produce because you know why? Because this will be a final in Melbourne I can actually get to. I want our season to continue because I have absolutely zero enthusiasm for any other team in the finals. It's all about me and my club. Isn't that why we are supporters?
I still reckon Richmond were mad for beating Essendon. They would have ended up playing Port if they dropped that game and we would've ended up playing Collingwood (given they beat North today). So many things working in our favour right now. Come from behind victory gives a team momentum regardless of how badly they've been travelling. I'd be very nervous if I was a Tiger's fan right now.
Can't just think one week ahead. The winner of the Port final will most likley get Fremantle at Fremantle now that the Cats are playing at SS.
Right, but the winner of our final will most probably play Sydney in Sydney so what's the point? At least if Richmond had've played Port they would most probably have had a win. I think they will have more trouble against us.
not if the hawks lose buddy. I think Syd win that first one.. It will be two brutal game games for either of those sides.
Ok, so not the point I was trying to make. So the winner plays Hawthorn, whatever. The point is more about having a better chance to get to the second week of finals. Nevermind
Really happy it's on a Sunday.
Had it been a Saturday night I'd have had to miss it to watch the election coverage ;) :))
Will it be a 1.10pm or 3pm kick off? Anyone know?
3:20pm
Thanks Mate. Time to bribe to Sister-in-law to baby sit.
How funny would it be to finish 9th and still make the finals and then when Richmond finally makes finals after 12 years we're the ones who knock them out from 9th spot. ;D
I think their inexperience is an area we can exploit. We simply must get up a lead in the first quarter.
I'd rather Casboult in there than Warnock . At least he can hold a mark .
A good rev through the week might liven Levi up a bit again .
I agree, but did the Bolt earn his spot?
Agreed - Warnock does sweet FA apart from the tap out... Kreuzer to ruck 80 % game time against Maric.
Casboult showed the other week he can take a clunk near the goals and the Tiger defenders will be worried about that.
In - Judd Mclean Scotland ( if fit )
Out - Warnock Ellard Menzel
I'd take the gamble on Kreuzer... if he go's down we could be in trouble.
Menzel unlucky but we have the 3 amigos ahead of him.. Keep Duigan in, need some mongrel in a final.
Nah I'm worried about no back up ruckman... McInnes out and Keep Warock as Insurance...
I'm so confused... Youre on the big bucks Mick... u sort it out :D
The Tiges won't be happy playing us.
Will they risk playing Jack?
I think yesterday's win will really galvanise our lads.
Give Murphy a big shot in the arm.
Will the Judd man be back for next Sunday?!!
Menzel is already better than the three amigo's, IMO.
Give Murphy a big shot in the arm.
That's what got Essendon in trouble and the reason we're in.. ..... We don't do that at Carlton.. ;)
Menzel is already better than the three amigo's, IMO.
Really?
I thought all three had him covered yesterday.
The amigos can be frustrating but make no mistake Yarran got us over the line yesterday.
Menzel stays would be an awful decision to drop him. We don't even know if Scotto and/or Mclean will be fit as yet.
Menzel stays would be an awful decision to drop him. We don't even know if Scotto and/or Mclean will be fit as yet.
I said "If fit" Judd, Mclean and Scotland would have to come in........ who do u drop.. ??
The 3 amigos and Menzel all play the same ... Menzel unlucky but would have to go IMO
The main one in danger of being dropped would have to be Casboult. He needs to go away and come back when he has sorted out his set shot kicking - get someone to help him over the summer. Any of the others would be stiff.
All this talk about who should be dropped if we have players to come in ????
A read through the " in game " thread from yesterday , and there is around 20 players who could easily go out . 8)
For everything that has happened this season,our highs and lows and the successes of others, we are on absolutely even terms with with both Richmond and Collingwood and better off than Port (we don't travel, we play a home final and we are playing at our favourite ground!)
We play an opponent who we have defeated 9 of the past 10 meetings, including 3 weeks ago. They have 3 key players under injury clouds (Newman, Riewold and White), as do we ( Judd, McLean and Scotland)
One feels that the stars might just be slightly alining........
Hope Lappinlappystick drops in for an overview of our chances.
Nice of his team to give up a place for us.
;D ;D ;D
All this talk about who should be dropped if we have players to come in ????
A read through the " in game " thread from yesterday , and there is around 20 players who could easily go out . 8)
I had given up on them Sands, and just stopped posting after quarter time.
The come back was a combination of two factors, Port Tired, and the team actually put in.
What it proved was that IF they put in, they can match it with any team.
The trouble is, that we can't match it for four quarters, that we desperately lack some key position players, that we lack kicking skills and tackling skills and that in every game we carry passengers irrespective of the effort we put in.
I reckon we can beat Richmond, because let's face it, even though we are not much good, they aren't much better if in fact they are better at all.
This will be great experience for the players win lose or draw.
But as I have said for weeks now, I hope this very fortunate appearance in the finals, does not cloud the judgement of those in charge of getting rid of the deadwood, and bringing the type of player to Carlton that can carry us to a flag. 8) 8)
Menzel is already better than the three amigo's, IMO.
Really?
I thought all three had him covered yesterday.
The amigos can be frustrating but make no mistake Yarran got us over the line yesterday.
Yes they had him covered.
But Menzel has shown more than enough, plenty more than enough since he has been in. Shown enough to suggest that letting Eddie go will not be a tragedy.
From what I can tell, at least we know he'll rock up each week and contest.
Menzel is already better than the three amigo's, IMO.
Really?
I thought all three had him covered yesterday.
The amigos can be frustrating but make no mistake Yarran got us over the line yesterday.
Yes they had him covered.
But Menzel has shown more than enough, plenty more than enough since he has been in. Shown enough to suggest that letting Eddie go will not be a tragedy.
From what I can tell, at least we know he'll rock up each week and contest.
So, he's not already better than them.
He might end up being better than all of them, but he isn't yet.
TBH, I think he'll be a completely different player to all of them.
No need for Ellard to be dropped.. I wouldnt be dropping Duigan either... Thought he was very good when he came on..
Back luck we don't feature in either the official AFL or Ch 7 video promos for the finals!
Back luck we don't feature in either the official AFL or Ch 7 video promos for the finals!
I saw that. :))
What about our season says to people that they should have great confidence in this team?
Could not put away Essendon who over the last 6 weeks have lost their other 5 games by an average of about 55 points.
We have beaten Port and Richmond since the GC game and lost to the Bulldogs and Essendon. Both the Port and the Richmond game they should have put us away and if it was finals, I don't think you come back in either of those games.
Port have been a better team than us all year and if I was Richmond I would rather play the soft as crap Carlton, who 'may' show their class, but probably won't, than the Power who you know will give it everything and play it like it is the end of the world. Every day give me the soft cocks, because there is a huge chance our crap side shows up and they do to us what we done to Essendon in the finals a couple of years back and belt the pants off us.
I am embarrassed that we are playing finals with our performances this year and hold no excitement going into this weeks game. We have 11 wins for the season and many times have looked completely inept. I would rather just have the off-season roll on and see how next year shapes.
I assume you don't extend this attitude to other aspects of your life otherwise you would have killed yourself by now. So why view your football club like this?
What about our season says to people that they should have great confidence in this team?
Could not put away Essendon who over the last 6 weeks have lost their other 5 games by an average of about 55 points.
We have beaten Port and Richmond since the GC game and lost to the Bulldogs and Essendon. Both the Port and the Richmond game they should have put us away and if it was finals, I don't think you come back in either of those games.
Port have been a better team than us all year and if I was Richmond I would rather play the soft as crap Carlton, who 'may' show their class, but probably won't, than the Power who you know will give it everything and play it like it is the end of the world. Every day give me the soft cocks, because there is a huge chance our crap side shows up and they do to us what we done to Essendon in the finals a couple of years back and belt the pants off us.
I am embarrassed that we are playing finals with our performances this year and hold no excitement going into this weeks game. We have 11 wins for the season and many times have looked completely inept. I would rather just have the off-season roll on and see how next year shapes.
I assume you don't extend this attitude to other aspects of your life otherwise you would have killed yourself by now. So why view your football club like this?
Utterly unnecessary response to a very valid opinion (though one that I don't entirely agree with in every aspect either).
We have been awful at times and have struggled to put four quarter games together just about every single week.
The odds are definitely against us, but a finals game is a finals game and anything can happen. As I said in another thread, I'm hoping that the passion that we showed for each other and for the jumper in that second half will prove to be a 'line in the sand' moment for the playing group and club as a whole.
We could be looking back in 10 years time after a dynasty of incredible performances and pointing to this last game as the moment it all clicked.
I assume you don't extend this attitude to other aspects of your life otherwise you would have killed yourself by now. So why view your football club like this?
Are you 13?
I haven't enjoyed football this season for a number of reasons, one of them is that imo my football club has gone backwards.
Making up numbers in the finals gives me no satisfaction, especially when we were not in the best 8 sides to play this year and if we wanted to be honest it would be very easy to mount an argument that we were not in the best 9 sides this year.
I am not trying to take away from others joy, I am saying I get no joy out of this season and this finals series and i will be doing something other than listening to or watching the football next Sunday, because at the moment I could not give a crap.
Now thank goodness I don't seek your permission to be quite flat about my team this year, I have followed them long enough to have a right to feel however I like about this season and I have stated how that is.
No need for Ellard to be dropped.. I wouldnt be dropping Duigan either... Thought he was very good when he came on..
Statistically, bottom 4 supercoach players were:
Duigan 43
Henderson 41
Menzel 30
Casboult 11
What about our season says to people that they should have great confidence in this team?
Could not put away Essendon who over the last 6 weeks have lost their other 5 games by an average of about 55 points.
We have beaten Port and Richmond since the GC game and lost to the Bulldogs and Essendon. Both the Port and the Richmond game they should have put us away and if it was finals, I don't think you come back in either of those games.
Port have been a better team than us all year and if I was Richmond I would rather play the soft as crap Carlton, who 'may' show their class, but probably won't, than the Power who you know will give it everything and play it like it is the end of the world. Every day give me the soft cocks, because there is a huge chance our crap side shows up and they do to us what we done to Essendon in the finals a couple of years back and belt the pants off us.
I am embarrassed that we are playing finals with our performances this year and hold no excitement going into this weeks game. We have 11 wins for the season and many times have looked completely inept. I would rather just have the off-season roll on and see how next year shapes.
I assume you don't extend this attitude to other aspects of your life otherwise you would have killed yourself by now. So why view your football club like this?
MIO's view is a realistic one...we fell into the eight, had poor form leading up to the Port game and been dissapointing for most of the year given most people view that we were a top 4 team in the making(not mine).
Richmond are not flash but should start favorites given their better performances over the year and the fact they earned their top 8 spot and we didnt.....love to win a final and get some experience into kids like Menzel but we all know the real work and test is for us is trade week and the ND draft.
We are making up the numbers this season and expectations should be very measured and I understand MIO's lack of enthusiasm....
No need for Ellard to be dropped.. I wouldnt be dropping Duigan either... Thought he was very good when he came on..
Statistically, bottom 4 supercoach players were:
Duigan 43
Henderson 41
Menzel 30
Casboult 11
Duigan played less than half a game.
Menzel is already better than the three amigo's, IMO.
Really?
I thought all three had him covered yesterday.
The amigos can be frustrating but make no mistake Yarran got us over the line yesterday.
Yes they had him covered.
But Menzel has shown more than enough, plenty more than enough since he has been in. Shown enough to suggest that letting Eddie go will not be a tragedy.
From what I can tell, at least we know he'll rock up each week and contest.
So, he's not already better than them.
He might end up being better than all of them, but he isn't yet.
TBH, I think he'll be a completely different player to all of them.
He wasnt better than them yesterday, you are correct.
On the other weeks he has been in, I have been more impressed with Menzel than the other 3. This is not necessarily reflective of 'stats' which is why I put 'IMO' in my original comment.
I reckon the reason we go alright against Richmond is because they are similar to us in terms of accountability, running both ways etc. Whoever can front run better may very well win the game! Also, Richmond have had two relatively bruise free games of footy against GWS and last night was an outside type of game. Not the best lead up to the finals IMO.
Agree. Most of the good Richmond players are very outside.
I don't understand the falling into the 8 theory, we beat 2 sides in the 8 in the last 3 weeks to get there. Yeah the bombers got kicked out but they were on freaking drugs and don't believe the spin about them not being performance enhancing.
I still reckon Richmond were mad for beating Essendon. They would have ended up playing Port if they dropped that game and we would've ended up playing Collingwood (given they beat North today). So many things working in our favour right now. Come from behind victory gives a team momentum regardless of how badly they've been travelling. I'd be very nervous if I was a Tiger's fan right now.
Can't just think one week ahead. The winner of the Port final will most likley get Fremantle at Fremantle now that the Cats are playing at SS.
Right, but the winner of our final will most probably play Sydney in Sydney so what's the point? At least if Richmond had've played Port they would most probably have had a win. I think they will have more trouble against us.
Swans have a longer injury list at the moment and key players have missed 7-8 games. Jetta, Goodes, LRT. Plus injuries to Hannebery and Smith in the last couple of weeks. Can't see the Tigers beating Fremantle away. Sydney a better chance. But that's just me.
I'm with you MBB history will record that we played finals and Essendon didn't. Hopefully we can carry some form into our game on Sunday.
Menzel is already better than the three amigo's, IMO.
Really?
I thought all three had him covered yesterday.
The amigos can be frustrating but make no mistake Yarran got us over the line yesterday.
Yes they had him covered.
But Menzel has shown more than enough, plenty more than enough since he has been in. Shown enough to suggest that letting Eddie go will not be a tragedy.
From what I can tell, at least we know he'll rock up each week and contest.
So, he's not already better than them.
He might end up being better than all of them, but he isn't yet.
TBH, I think he'll be a completely different player to all of them.
He wasnt better than them yesterday, you are correct.
On the other weeks he has been in, I have been more impressed with Menzel than the other 3. This is not necessarily reflective of 'stats' which is why I put 'IMO' in my original comment.
Menzel shows plenty it's true, but his fitness is not yet anywhere near that of an afl footballer. His very limited pre-season a contributing factor. All things considered I'd like him to play, but he's probably best suited to either be the sub or be subbed out
I think we need to be careful not to be too defensive in our game plan. Mick needs to fine tune the balance and make us a side that is hard to beat. Once we run in numbers we are hard to stop. This is what was done in the last quarter against Port and they came to a complete stand still. They turned the ball over and were met with a brutal tackle any direction they turned.
Its a fine balance, but we need to be prepared to run hard each way. On the attack, and back to defend. Run hard and no just a medium pace jog. This is a do or die game that will really show who we need to keep and who needs to move on. Make no mistake the Tigers won't be soft because they had no answer to our game last time. I expect this to be a physical battle and there could be players going down. We better no be celebrating to much this weekend. We need to be pumped and ready for action in this next game. Gloves off and ready for war.
Do we risk players with injury clouds? (Judd, McLean, Scotland). They will face a similar dilemma with Reiwold, Newman and White. Pace will be important. Selection will be critical.
Do we risk players with injury clouds? (Judd, McLean, Scotland). They will face a similar dilemma with Reiwold, Newman and White. Pace will be important. Selection will be critical.
NO!
We are not reliant on any of those players to win and it is critical fit players take the field
Do we risk players with injury clouds? (Judd, McLean, Scotland). They will face a similar dilemma with Reiwold, Newman and White. Pace will be important. Selection will be critical.
NO!
We are not reliant on any of those players to win and it is critical fit players take the field
Agree. The last thing we need is another 1st qtr injury sub to one of the questionable ones. I say let the team that played Sat have a crack. If anything, need to bring fresh speedy legs. Mclean aint that although he does dine out against the Tiggers. Gonna be tough and brave at the selection table.
We definitely deserve to be playing finals. We lost narrowly to a drug cheating team. Twice. We have a right to be there.
NO!
We are not reliant on any of those players to win and it is critical fit players take the field
Far too many times I've seen a club go into a cutthroat final with players under injury clouds in their team and it has come horribly unstuck. In fact I've rarely seen it pay dividends !!
Every player selected this week must be 100% clear of any injury concerns, I'd hate to lose this match purely on the basis of playing someone who wasn't.
Any news to clarify Judd is 100% fit to play. I know he is being considered, but if he isn't 100% he could hurt our chances. I wouldn't even use him as a sub if he is suspect. Just in case the sub activation is in the first quarter.
NO!
We are not reliant on any of those players to win and it is critical fit players take the field
Far too many times I've seen a club go into a cutthroat final with players under injury clouds in their team and it has come horribly unstuck. In fact I've rarely seen it pay dividends !!
Every player selected this week must be 100% clear of any injury concerns, I'd hate to lose this match purely on the basis of playing someone who wasn't.
I m more concerned about the injuries between the ears
we put up that sh1te in the 3 quarters - we'll get blown out of the water
NO!
We are not reliant on any of those players to win and it is critical fit players take the field
Far too many times I've seen a club go into a cutthroat final with players under injury clouds in their team and it has come horribly unstuck. In fact I've rarely seen it pay dividends !!
Every player selected this week must be 100% clear of any injury concerns, I'd hate to lose this match purely on the basis of playing someone who wasn't.
And MM has form for this.
I wouldnt be dropping Casboult. He has been a good finals performer for the Northern blues and seems to have good form against Richmond.
Maric would have nightmares thinking of running into casboult the way Levi was able to outmuscle him.
Feck anyone who isn't happy we are playing finals. Feck 'em too if you think we shouldn't be playing.
Too right, you have every right to hold that opinion, I just feel sorry for you if you do.
I love this team. I might b1tch about them too often, I might fast forward too many bad quarters of play and I might throw too many things at the tv when they miss set shot after set shot at goal. But they are MY team, and I look forward to watching them play every week, and despite what I might outwardly say about our chances of winning any game, I secretly believe in my heart that can can win if they only...
so yeah, feck you... I'll be watching, I'll be cheering, I'll be as excited as a kid waking up on Christmas morning. If we lose I might b1tch and moan some more, but like you, I have a right to do so.
Come on boys, "...we''ll keep our end up!"
BTW... Menzel must play.
This guy will be a gun, and if we can get 1 or god forbid 2 finals games into him, the experience will be invaluable.
I have to agree, as much as I called him everything for his useless kicking abilities yet again yesterday, I think Casboult needs to be in to match up against the Tiges.
He obviously can't kick, so let's just leave him at FF in the square - don't come out, don't run up to CHF, don't go anywhere, just take one of Richmond's big boys out of the game and hope we can snag a couple with his marking ability!
C'mon Blues, here's another opportunity to make a mess of these finals - no one wanted us in there for that reason!
C'mon!
I assume you don't extend this attitude to other aspects of your life otherwise you would have killed yourself by now. So why view your football club like this?
Are you 13?
I haven't enjoyed football this season for a number of reasons, one of them is that imo my football club has gone backwards.
Making up numbers in the finals gives me no satisfaction, especially when we were not in the best 8 sides to play this year and if we wanted to be honest it would be very easy to mount an argument that we were not in the best 9 sides this year.
I am not trying to take away from others joy, I am saying I get no joy out of this season and this finals series and i will be doing something other than listening to or watching the football next Sunday, because at the moment I could not give a crap.
Now thank goodness I don't seek your permission to be quite flat about my team this year, I have followed them long enough to have a right to feel however I like about this season and I have stated how that is.
You say you are not trying to take away from others joy yet come on the Carlton SUPPORTERS Club forum to question the confidence of other supporters towards their team and outline reasons to view the teams chances in an entirely negative light. And you question my maturity? Strange behaviour from someone who claims not to give a crap.
Of course you have the right to feel however you like and more than enough reason to be quite flat about your team but you and your misery have come to the wrong place in pursuit of company. So while I will be at the 'G on Sunday cheering my lungs out in support of the Club I love, win or lose, I will spare a thought for you and genuinely hope that whatever it is that you wind up doing is as rewarding as I know my experience will be.
BTW... Menzel must play.
This guy will be a gun, and if we can get 1 or god forbid 2 finals games into him, the experience will be invaluable.
I reckon this guy will be gem.
He did some super clever/skilful things against Port when the heat was on.
His run up to goal needs to be addressed!
Feck anyone who isn't happy we are playing finals. Feck 'em too if you think we shouldn't be playing.
Too right, you have every right to hold that opinion, I just feel sorry for you if you do.
I love this team. I might b1tch about them too often, I might fast forward too many bad quarters of play and I might throw too many things at the tv when they miss set shot after set shot at goal. But they are MY team, and I look forward to watching them play every week, and despite what I might outwardly say about our chances of winning any game, I secretly believe in my heart that can can win if they only...
so yeah, feck you... I'll be watching, I'll be cheering, I'll be as excited as a kid waking up on Christmas morning. If we lose I might b1tch and moan some more, but like you, I have a right to do so.
Come on boys, "...we''ll keep our end up!"
Love it !!
I suspect Casboult will retain his spot, primarily because the NBs haven't played and Rowe has been just as poor over the last couple of weeks, unless of course Laidler get the miracle nod!
But Meat better start playing more like Tarzan inside F50 and far less like Jane out on the wing or this final could be the end for his Carlton career! He needs to be clunking marks or brining the ball to ground in and around the goal square.
That's a ridiculous post. He might not have the best skills but Casboult goes the hardest of any of our big men.
So - which Blues team will turn up this weekend??? They have been schizophrenic all year, and the weekend was just another well documented episode.
Despite the potential harm to my mental health I have already booked flights to come down and watch them. As much as they have disappointed me with some of their play during the year, a final at the MCG against the Tigers cannot be missed.
If we get Judd, McLean and Scotland back, and Kruzuer & Waite produce after a quiet weekend we are a real big show. The Tigers have all the pressure on them, and are a big chance to get stage fright. Add to that Newman and Reiwoldt are both under an injury cloud.
C'mon boys, give us something after a year of so much dissapointment! A win aginst the Tigers this weekend and all will be forgiven!!!
So - which Blues team will turn up this weekend??? They have been schizophrenic all year, and the weekend was just another well documented episode.
Despite the potential harm to my mental health I have already booked flights to come down and watch them. As much as they have disappointed me with some of their play during the year, a final at the MCG against the Tigers cannot be missed.
If we get Judd, McLean and Scotland back, and Kruzuer & Waite produce after a quiet weekend we are a real big show. The Tigers have all the pressure on them, and are a big chance to get stage fright. Add to that Newman and Reiwoldt are both under an injury cloud.
C'mon boys, give us something after a year of so much dissapointment! A win aginst the Tigers this weekend and all will be forgiven!!!
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I'd rather Casboult in there than Warnock . At least he can hold a mark .
I'd be keeping Casboult in the team.....he cant kick but everynow and then he kicks one he shouldnt and has that bit of X factor about him...has some physical presence and I'm all for giving kids like him and Menzel finals experience.
The latter needs to play and do well or we might end up with Didak...he had 24 possies and was one of the Pies best vs North and Mick might have got interested in him after watching that game...hoping Menzel kicks a few vs the Tigers.
After listening to MM's after match presser I wonder what he thinks of Casboult?
The question of Casboult's kicking was raised and MM seemed resigned to the fact that it would be difficult to correct his fundamental technique, as it would be in any player of his age. He did seem to think that something could be done to work through the problem though - not sure what he meant.
Bottom line was that he didn't seem too phased and maybe Casboult is safe fo Sunday - he seemed a lot more concerned about Kreuzer's performance.
Kreuzer's performance very concerning. Really needs to step it up a notch this weekend, would be good to not need Warnock and have Kreuzer ruck the majority, otherwise I'd be dropping Kreuzer if he's not fit anough to ruck the entire game.
For mine Levi plays, big blokes like him don’t get any smaller come finals.
If I remember correctly there were a couple of NB games I think finals or play offs for final spot where he played very very well he might just be a big game player.
The problem with Kreuzer is the same as it's always been: He is NOT a key forward. Kreuzer plays his best when he is the No.1 ruck. Unfortunately Warnock can't play anywhere else either. So if you play them both in the same side at the moment, 1 is going to have a shocker.
I'd probably mix things up with Kreuzer. His biggest assest as a ruckman is that he becomes another midfielder when the ball hits the deck...so why don't we play him as one? Chuck him on the wing, he'd be impossible to match up on and would give us a great linking player between defence and attack.
Leave Hendo and Casboult up forward and throw Waite down back.
Krezuer's skills aren't good anough to be a mid IMO and his 3 possessions on Saturday show he's no ball magnet.
Chuck him on the wing, he'd be impossible to match up on and would give us a great linking player between defence and attack.
Impossible for our opposition or for us?
MK is good at creating pressure once he's finished his rucking. I'm not sure I ever really remember him being like another mid but it's been a long time since he's been at his best.
Warnock has to play otherwise Maric will dominate the ruck.
Kreuzer is no doubt best used as first ruck, resting forward, and he and Warnock should compete for that spot each week (even if Warnock struggles forward), i.e. we only ever play one of them at a time.
If we can snare a another Fwd for 2014 who can chop out in the ruck or someone like Casboult steps up a bit, then that's what I think might happen. Would not be surprised to see us recruit a junior ruckman either, enabling, say, Warnock to be traded out in a couple of years.
It's more his speed and agility that would be exposed. It's the Holy Grail to have a ruckman who can actually ruck but can run like a mid. Kreuzer was the guy who was closest to the pin for a while, but now Nic Nat has taken that honour. He really does have the Kouta-like ability to grab the ball like a big kid playing with little kids and sprint away from the pack.
Kreuzer is really only able to demonstrate those qualities when his direct opponent is an old-style big ruckman whose strength is his tap work and his ability to drop back into the hole in defence. He has a great tank and can therefore lose his opponent when he runs forward and this can leave him free to mark or gather loose balls in F50. Put him against Nic Nat or Patty Ryder and he's the one who finds it difficult to keep up. Play him in the midfield opposed to Pendlebury or Swan and there's no contest concerning who'll do more damage in the midfield. Does anyone think that Kreuzer would be better than Simmo on a wing?
And when he plays as 1 of 2 KPFs, he attracts a quality key defender on him when he's 1 of 2 tall KPFs, those key defenders have good closing speed and usually have better agility than Kreuzer. Against a disciplined key defender, he can't maintain separation on the lead or find free space.
He's still young and will be good for us, but the early fantasy that he would reinvent rucking has faded.
For mine Levi plays, big blokes like him don’t get any smaller come finals.
If I remember correctly there were a couple of NB games I think finals or play offs for final spot where he played very very well he might just be a big game player.
Casboult must play.
He is better than Rowe for marking, splitting packs and hitting bodies - which is essential for the Halter Skelter of a final
His kicking is a real problem but is off set by the above.
Judd says he's ready for finals (http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/judd-says-hes-ready-for-finals-20130901-2sz0y.html), the Age, 2/9.
Blues defender Zach Tuohy admitted playing Judd under an injury cloud would be a risk, but was confident the dual Brownlow medallist would make the right call for the team.
''He's been running, but I think it's just going to come down to whether or not he feels like he can train this week, and it's a decision that is going to be have between him and the medicos,'' Tuohy said on Channel Nine on Sunday.
Key midfielder Brock McLean, one of the match winners for the Blues in their 10-point victory over the Tigers in round 21, is also due back from a quadriceps injury.
The article also suggests there are injury clouds over Newman, Riewoldt and White, but all are likely to play.
For mine Levi plays, big blokes like him don’t get any smaller come finals.
If I remember correctly there were a couple of NB games I think finals or play offs for final spot where he played very very well he might just be a big game player.
Casboult must play.
He is better than Rowe for marking, splitting packs and hitting bodies - which is essential for the Halter Skelter of a final
His kicking is a real problem but is off set by the above.
Maybe 2E should always be lurking when Casboult lines up to kick, ready for the hand off? 8)
Can someone send that bag of dicks down to Ticketek? Took 45 mins this morning, they were throwing standing room tickets at me, but I got there in the end.
Very stressful.
Can someone send that bag of dicks down to Ticketek? Took 45 mins this morning, they were throwing standing room tickets at me, but I got there in the end.
Very stressful.
I was pretty lucky Level 2 on the wing and got on straight away but a friend sitting next to me kept getting bumped off.
I've always believed in not playing half fit players. I wouldn't be playing Judd unless he is 100%.
However, if the Tiges want to play a few cripples, let them! if they have brains they won't take the risk.
That's a ridiculous post. He might not have the best skills but Casboult goes the hardest of any of our big men.
As long as he isn't hearing footsteps! Levi loves jumping over packs but turns timid once he has the front spot, he runs under the ball way too much for a bloke his size! In this respect Rowe has far more presence, but Rowe has been horribly out of form and is not timing his marking attempts very well at all. Not that that is anything new for our big blokes, we got a total of 6 marks from Warnock, Kreuzer and Casboult and three of them were marks taken out on the wings virtually uncontested!
Also if you watch the replay you see another Casboult trait that is a problem, and this is what I refer to when making my Jane statement. Meat got shoved off the ball multiple times by blokes 20cm shorter and 15kg~20kg lighter, that should never ever happen to someone his size unless he has already lost his balance! He should be clearing packs Bell style, not watching or roving like Garlett!
In my opinion there is only one place on the ground to play Meat, and that is starting on the goal line and jumping at everything that comes within 30m of goal.
I reckon Warnock might have hurt himself late in the game when he tried to crash a pack on the wing.
Brought the ball to ground, but gee he looked proppy getting up.
@ Thry I saw that I think it was just tiredness pretty taxing game in the end.
Also anyone else notice how long Yarran was on the bench for towards the end it was something like 6 minutes the commentators where saying. Need to get that sorted out quickly those rotations need to be working better than that specially when a bloke is changing a game.
@ Thry I saw that I think it was just tiredness pretty taxing game in the end.
Also anyone else notice how long Yarran was on the bench for towards the end it was something like 6 minutes the commentators where saying. Need to get that sorted out quickly those rotations need to be working better than that specially when a bloke is changing a game.
Yeah and he was on the boundary telling them to HTFU as well amazing that a player of his talents in that frame of mind was stuck on the bench trying to get on at such a crucial period in the game.
It's pretty common for players to "not hear" the runners telling them to get off.
Changes will depend on who's fit. I think the squad announced on Thursday night for the Sunday game will include Judd, Scotland and McLean. Id be leaning toward only playing whos fit, hopefully that include Judd, and maybe only two to come in. Casboult out and probably Ellard too. Id be keeping Duigan and Bell in for sure.
Can someone send that bag of dicks down to Ticketek? Took 45 mins this morning, they were throwing standing room tickets at me, but I got there in the end.
Very stressful.
Do you have a membership?
It took me about 10 minutes to get done. It took 3 or so minutes to actually make it to the ticketek page and then the thing was so sloow it took a few minutes for it to update the page after each selection. Usually that process takes about a minute.
Terrible experience. Anyway, I got lower level in the Olympic stand. Pretty pleased. Ponsford stand area was gone by 9:05 :o
It looks like Judd, Maclean & Scotland will be right to play. If Judd isn't cherry ripe to play the whole game, I would play him as the substitute, allowing him to come on just before 3/4 time and then make a massive impact in the last quarter. I would think that Ellard & Duigan are two who are likely to miss out, though you have got to love Duigan's shepherd in the last quarter. Our forward line functions around running and speed, and controlling the rucks against Richmond will be essential. So I would go with Warnock & Kreuzer and Casboult would miss out
McLean will be right to play after missing a week with a strained quad? NFW that is gonna happen......
And btw people.....we've all moved on from the Essendon loss, so let's try to get there in force on Sunday. The Carlton supporter showing was pitiful the last time we played this mob, absolutely no excuse not to go this Sunday, the Tiger bandwagon will be overflowing, we need to show up in numbers to nullify this & let our team know we can conjur-up just a big a bandwagon!!! Unfortunately I daresay most neutrals who attend, will probably support the Tigers on the day, so please people - encorurage every Blues supporter you know of to attend!!!
I think there will be a big Carlton crowd there, Carlton supporters have come out of the woodwork since Saturday night asking my mates and I for tickets.
And btw people.....we've all moved on from the Essendon loss, so let's try to get there in force on Sunday. The Carlton supporter showing was pitiful the last time we played this mob, absolutely no excuse not to go this Sunday, the Tiger bandwagon will be overflowing, we need to show up in numbers to nullify this & let our team know we can conjur-up just a big a bandwagon!!! Unfortunately I daresay most neutrals who attend, will probably support the Tigers on the day, so please people - encorurage every Blues supporter you know of to attend!!!
Just locked in the members tickets and booked the flights last night. I'm excited, and have a very good feeling.
It has been a 23 round roller coaster ride, but this is what you live for as a true supporter. WHo cares how we got there or what has come before - at 3:20 this Sunday we are playing finals against our hated foe on the hallowed MCG. If that doesn't stir the blood and get you excited then nothing will. A lot of sins and frustration pent up over the last 23 rounds might just be forgiven by 6pm!!!! Get there and get amongst it.........
This game is huge. We have the talent out there to win no doubt.
This game is huge. We have the talent out there to win no doubt.
No doubt whatsoever PI2C - we may have overcome our psychological barriers last week - so we can only hope now!
Hope y'all have a great time.
Really gave serious consideration to flying over but couldn't justify the cost for me and the kiddo's .
Besides if I come over for this I wouldn't be able to afford seeing us in the GF!!
Hope y'all have a great time.
Really gave serious consideration to flying over but couldn't justify the cost for me and the kiddo's .
Besides if I come over for this I wouldn't be able to afford seeing us in the GF!!
Yeah definitely save your money for the grand final.
Mate I can't wait, just hope the boys turn up to play. This is the only all-Victorian final hence the biggest game of the round in Melbourne. Bring it on!
This is awesome everyone is up and about pumped great to see. So frightened of us losing but so excited to be there bring it on smash them and let’s keep rolling on…
Best time of year this finals football our team is playing and the horses start rolling out for the spring… Only problem is we have to wait till Sunday for it..
The pressure is on Richmond, we fell into the finals remember?
The pressure is on Richmond, we fell into the finals remember?
Heard KB on SEN earlier as I was out in the car. Our finals entry was described as a "wild card" and KB stated that in his opinion there should be no wildcard entries in the finals...hehehehe! Reckon he can definitely hear footsteps. ;D
I agree and Wallsy has already pointed out they they were celebrating too much over making the finals without actually winning one as yet. We can match them for sure and more importantly we have the finals experience. Plenty of the Cotchins, Delidios and Martyns will be nervous playijng their first final. We need to jump them early and put a space in them.
All this energy has got me thinking, is it to early to start singing...
DA DA DA DA DAAAA! O0
If anything it'll tell us who wants to be there and who doesn't. Although, if for example Yarran or Warnock have absolute blinders we might have to reassess our trade bait.
Will also tell us a lot about Marc Murphy.
The pressure is on Richmond, we fell into the finals remember?
Can't remember the exact words, but I recall an interview with Lethal a few years back, and he reckoned the whole "pressure is on them not me" argument is a cop out. He said to really deal with it properly, you needed to accept it and face the pressure head on. Wish I could remember more of what he said. Make no mistake, the boys know they've cheated death, and they need to confront this properly, and head on. The whole "we have nothing to lose" argument doesn't wash with me. They have plenty to lose.
If anything it'll tell us who wants to be there and who doesn't. Although, if for example Yarran or Warnock have absolute blinders we might have to reassess our trade bait.
Will also tell us a lot about Marc Murphy.
Glad its an eight day break. The boys must have been spent after the match, I reckon it will take all week to get back into it.
Plus it meant Collingwood get a 6 day break. ;D
@PaulP
The thought that we've got the Bummer's spot should be a huge motivation to go out and win the flag with it! The stuff of dreams! 8)
@PaulP
The thought that we've got the Bummer's spot should be a huge motivation to go out and win the flag with it! The stuff of dreams! 8)
YEAH.
LET'S DO IT FOR HIRDY BOY'S!!!!!! >:D
Yep, Stand by Hird. Of course this means you'll miss the game as he'll be off somewhere licking his wounds (or does he have someone to do that for him too?) while the Blues play his team's elimination final 8)
Thanks Jimmy. I can't understand why everyone says such nasty things about him O0
This game is huge. We have the talent out there to win no doubt.
No doubt whatsoever PI2C - we may have overcome our psychological barriers last week - so we can only hope now!
The swaggers back!
Big G2C posse heading to the G Sunday. BBQ in the Car Park first, plenty of Garage Hermitage, big day planned.
Go the Farken Blues!!!!
Can't remember the exact words, but I recall an interview with Lethal a few years back, and he rThe pressure is on Richmond, we fell into the finals remember?eckoned the whole "pressure is on them not me" argument is a cop out. He said to really deal with it properly, you needed to accept it and face the pressure head on. Wish I could remember more of what he said. Make no mistake, the boys know they've cheated death, and they need to confront this properly, and head on. The whole "we have nothing to lose" argument doesn't wash with me. They have plenty to lose.
interesting and good point, however using the "The pressure is on Richmond, we fell into the finals remember?" line may be a good way to cope with or handle said pressure?!
A true champion will just see it as another game of football to win.
No pressure, no crap, just go out there and get the job done. The odds are rubbish they simply represent what the public opinion think. We have 22 vs their 22. Both teams statistically have as much chance of winning this one as each other. This is not the first time they are playing finals footy, its simply another game in their career that they should be wanting to win.
The only way to find consistency in your game, is to keep doing the right things. Keep your routine as uniform as possible, and build upon doing things better. Being good enough is not good enough. You need to be the best that you can be every week. If that is not good enough, then so be it, as long as you put your best foot forward, there is no way you will ever die wondering about what could have been.
We are Carlton, fudge the rest!
Big chance Richmond will choke IMO but we could just as easily bring a rubbish game.
Blues by 16 points O0
It's pretty simple for our boys really. Play 4 quarters and they win. Unfortunately it's something they've not been able to grasp this season and this is the big stage. I'd love Mick to finish ahead of Nafan. C'MON!!
They bring their best and we also bring our best... we win.
They play near their best and likewise us... line ball.
Very glad all the media attention and publicity is on them and that we will start under-dogs.
They bring their best and we also bring our best... we win.
Not sure about that, the only side in the top 6 weve beaten is Richmond and along with their inexperience is why I reckon we're a shot.
Do we play with the flair that got us into the final or go the boundary... Will be interesting to see.
They bring their best and we also bring our best... we win.
Not sure about that, the only side in the top 6 weve beaten is Richmond and along with their inexperience is why I reckon we're a shot.
Do we play with the flair that got us into the final or go the boundary... Will be interesting to see.
Our best includes kicking straight... very straight!
Do we play with the flair that got us into the final or go the boundary... Will be interesting to see.
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We play our best Football when we're 5 goals down....
Lets give Richmond a 5 goal head start so we can attack from the 1st bounce 8)
Do we play with the flair that got us into the final or go the boundary... Will be interesting to see.
With this list if we go the boundary line it will be like throwing an anchor overboard and then gunning the motor, circle to nowhere!
That seems exactly how we have played at times this season!
Do we play with the flair that got us into the final or go the boundary... Will be interesting to see.
We play our best Football when we're 5 goals down....
Lets give Richmond a 5 goal head start so we can attack from the 1st bounce 8)
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Not sure it was about game plan in that last quarter. Seemed more about boldness, endeavour, ruthlessness and risks. Everyone of us, and the media, was asking the same question during the final quarter, "Where was this effort in the first half????"
Can't remember the exact words, but I recall an interview with Lethal a few years back, and he rThe pressure is on Richmond, we fell into the finals remember?eckoned the whole "pressure is on them not me" argument is a cop out. He said to really deal with it properly, you needed to accept it and face the pressure head on. Wish I could remember more of what he said. Make no mistake, the boys know they've cheated death, and they need to confront this properly, and head on. The whole "we have nothing to lose" argument doesn't wash with me. They have plenty to lose.
interesting and good point, however using the "The pressure is on Richmond, we fell into the finals remember?" line may be a good way to cope with or handle said pressure?!
Maybe - if I understand Lethal's point (never a certainty), once you start the whole "pressure on others, not on us" routine, you are in a sense, giving yourself an out if you don't win. It's like saying, "well, we were never expected to win, so it's ok". Which then starts to create a drop in intensity and performance.
Make no mistake, this is a VERY winnable game for us. We are playing the worst of the other 7 finalists, on our best ground. We'll have a good break. We have several players with finals experience (compare with Richmond). We are playing a team we have owned for ages (granted plenty of others have as well). Comparing coaches, once again you have one with a wealth of finals experience, and one who has hardly any. Also, with any luck we should be getting 1 or 2 of out best 22 back.
In fact, the more I think about it, the more I think we should be favorites.
Not sure it was about game plan in that last quarter. Seemed more about boldness, endeavour, ruthlessness and risks. Everyone of us, and the media, was asking the same question during the final quarter, "Where was this effort in the first half????"
Looking at the start of the comeback in the third quarter we quite clearly look to switch the ball to Yarran through the middle. Obviously a ploy from MM and about forking time play the kid to his strengths, he's at his best with the field in front of him and players to run at. FFS I hope he starts in the same position or on a wing on Sunday. Time to unleash the beast!
Looking at the start of the comeback in the third quarter we quite clearly look to switch the ball to Yarran through the middle. Obviously a ploy from MM and about forking time play the kid to his strengths, he's at his best with the field in front of him and players to run at. FFS I hope he starts in the same position or on a wing on Sunday. Time to unleash the beast!
cant argue with that.
he has strung together two great games for the first time ever.
lets see how he goes this week.
Trying to get some tickets but no luck. There are still categories that say limit3d availability but I cant get past the first page. Anyone else struggling or got tix already?
Trying to get some tickets but no luck. There are still categories that say limit3d availability but I cant get past the first page. Anyone else struggling or got tix already?
My Wife struggled this Morning getting onto the website via the laptop to buy tickets..on a whim went via the mobile phone and Bang. Got in and 2 tickets bought for Sunday. Happy Man.
They bring their best and we also bring our best... we win.
Not sure about that, the only side in the top 6 weve beaten is Richmond and along with their inexperience is why I reckon we're a shot.
Do we play with the flair that got us into the final or go the boundary... Will be interesting to see.
Our best includes kicking straight... very straight!
BANG right there!
Not sure it was about game plan in that last quarter. Seemed more about boldness, endeavour, ruthlessness and risks. Everyone of us, and the media, was asking the same question during the final quarter, "Where was this effort in the first half????"
Looking at the start of the comeback in the third quarter we quite clearly look to switch the ball to Yarran through the middle. Obviously a ploy from MM and about forking time play the kid to his strengths, he's at his best with the field in front of him and players to run at. FFS I hope he starts in the same position or on a wing on Sunday. Time to unleash the beast!
Whatever it was it WAS NOT what we had played to get into the poo in the first place.
Trying to get some tickets but no luck. There are still categories that say limit3d availability but I cant get past the first page. Anyone else struggling or got tix already?
My Wife struggled this Morning getting onto the website via the laptop to buy tickets..on a whim went via the mobile phone and Bang. Got in and 2 tickets bought for Sunday. Happy Man.
Yeah tried that too mate. Its bugging me cos it says there ate tix left but wont let me buy any!
Do we play with the flair that got us into the final or go the boundary... Will be interesting to see.
We play our best Football when we're 5 goals down....
Lets give Richmond a 5 goal head start so we can attack from the 1st bounce 8)
[/quote]Lets stress test our hearts again, I say rope-a-dope like PA. Give em a start, make em run em selves ragged, then we start throwin haymakers and come over the top...said no one ever!
They bring their best and we also bring our best... we win.
Not sure about that, the only side in the top 6 weve beaten is Richmond and along with their inexperience is why I reckon we're a shot.
Do we play with the flair that got us into the final or go the boundary... Will be interesting to see.
Ive watched the last qtr replay a few times, , I dont reckon we so much stopped going along the boundary, PA seemed to clog the boundary line area daring us to go thru the guts. We reacted well, took it on and pantsed them.
Just a reminder.
So whereabouts have people gotten their seats for the game (as in bay number)? Reason I ask is that I've got a couple of mates thinking of getting some eBay tickets, but don't wanna be purchasing seats right in the middle of a Richmond bay stronghold, so if I can gauge where Carlton members have been allocated seats, it'll help me be able to pinpoint a bay where there's at least a few Carlton supporters for them to be sitting near.....thanks people!!!
So whereabouts have people gotten their seats for the game (as in bay number)? Reason I ask is that I've got a couple of mates thinking of getting some eBay tickets, but don't wanna be purchasing seats right in the middle of a Richmond bay stronghold, so if I can gauge where Carlton members have been allocated seats, it'll help me be able to pinpoint a bay where there's at least a few Carlton supporters for them to be sitting near.....thanks people!!!
Brettie when you go online, they ask where you want them, you put Carlton Members Area. Having said that, its a shambles of a system. More categories that are necessary, intermingled between levels, stands, covered/not covered etc.
They bring their best and we also bring our best... we win.
Not sure about that, the only side in the top 6 weve beaten is Richmond and along with their inexperience is why I reckon we're a shot.
Do we play with the flair that got us into the final or go the boundary... Will be interesting to see.
Ive watched the last qtr replay a few times, , I dont reckon we so much stopped going along the boundary, PA seemed to clog the boundary line area daring us to go thru the guts. We reacted well, took it on and pantsed them.
Agree, and I reckon we won the ball from PA a few times as they attempted to go via the corridor, so we then went back the other way thru by default.
So whereabouts have people gotten their seats for the game (as in bay number)? Reason I ask is that I've got a couple of mates thinking of getting some eBay tickets, but don't wanna be purchasing seats right in the middle of a Richmond bay stronghold, so if I can gauge where Carlton members have been allocated seats, it'll help me be able to pinpoint a bay where there's at least a few Carlton supporters for them to be sitting near.....thanks people!!!
Carlton Cheer Squad are sitting in M33 (ground level Ponsford Stand) if that helps!
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So whereabouts have people gotten their seats for the game (as in bay number)? Reason I ask is that I've got a couple of mates thinking of getting some eBay tickets, but don't wanna be purchasing seats right in the middle of a Richmond bay stronghold, so if I can gauge where Carlton members have been allocated seats, it'll help me be able to pinpoint a bay where there's at least a few Carlton supporters for them to be sitting near.....thanks people!!!
Carlton Cheer Squad are sitting in M33 (ground level Ponsford Stand) if that helps!
That does help actually....I was assuming that Richmond would get the Punt Road, but always nice to be sure. I remember for the Essendon elimination final, almost the entire bottom deck of the Ponsford Stand was a sea of navy blue & white.
So whereabouts have people gotten their seats for the game (as in bay number)? Reason I ask is that I've got a couple of mates thinking of getting some eBay tickets, but don't wanna be purchasing seats right in the middle of a Richmond bay stronghold, so if I can gauge where Carlton members have been allocated seats, it'll help me be able to pinpoint a bay where there's at least a few Carlton supporters for them to be sitting near.....thanks people!!!
Brettie when you go online, they ask where you want them, you put Carlton Members Area. Having said that, its a shambles of a system. More categories that are necessary, intermingled between levels, stands, covered/not covered etc.
Thanks for that Goin, but just checked & there's no longer any option for Club Members, general public only & it's pretty much sold out.
So whereabouts have people gotten their seats for the game (as in bay number)? Reason I ask is that I've got a couple of mates thinking of getting some eBay tickets, but don't wanna be purchasing seats right in the middle of a Richmond bay stronghold, so if I can gauge where Carlton members have been allocated seats, it'll help me be able to pinpoint a bay where there's at least a few Carlton supporters for them to be sitting near.....thanks people!!!
Seemed to be in the same sorts of areas that our home game members allocation get.
Do we play with the flair that got us into the final or go the boundary... Will be interesting to see.
We play our best Football when we're 5 goals down....
Lets give Richmond a 5 goal head start so we can attack from the 1st bounce 8)
Lets stress test our hearts again, I say rope-a-dope like PA. Give em a start, make em run em selves ragged, then we start throwin haymakers and come over the top...said no one ever!
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Reckon there's something in this... While I'm not suggesting we actually sit back and wait till we're 5 goals down before we get our A into G, its clear that something clicks when ever that scenario exists. I'm sure part of it is between the ears, but there's got to be something more tangible to it. What else happens when we are behind?, is it purely an instructional thing or is it a reshuffling of personnel to different positions that causes the route to change from boundary hugging to corridor?. I usually get to emotionally caught up in the game to notice the effect of personnel positional reshuffling, but on sat couldn't help but noticing Yazz's positional change to midfield brought with it a natural tendency to attack through corridor.
They bring their best and we also bring our best... we win.
Not sure about that, the only side in the top 6 weve beaten is Richmond and along with their inexperience is why I reckon we're a shot.
Do we play with the flair that got us into the final or go the boundary... Will be interesting to see.
Ive watched the last qtr replay a few times, , I dont reckon we so much stopped going along the boundary, PA seemed to clog the boundary line area daring us to go thru the guts. We reacted well, took it on and pantsed them.
Regardless, it's been the stubborn refusal to go inside that has cost us in the past when this tactic is employed. Go back to the third quarter, that's when we start switching it through the middle.
So whereabouts have people gotten their seats for the game (as in bay number)? Reason I ask is that I've got a couple of mates thinking of getting some eBay tickets, but don't wanna be purchasing seats right in the middle of a Richmond bay stronghold, so if I can gauge where Carlton members have been allocated seats, it'll help me be able to pinpoint a bay where there's at least a few Carlton supporters for them to be sitting near.....thanks people!!!
Apparently more tickets will be made available on Thursday from unused club allocations. Yesterday 12,000 Carlton members purchased tickets compared to 26,000 Richmond fans. They will outnumber us 2-1 on Sunday.
WTF you are joking? Surely members would want to go to this game?
WTF you are joking? Surely members would want to go to this game?
I just read it in the HeraldSun.
WTF you are joking? Surely members would want to go to this game?
Not that surprised. We don't play that nice a football, our members are probably expecting us to get smashed and tickets were $75+.
WTF you are joking? Surely members would want to go to this game?
Not surprising. After the Essendon saga Carlton have ended up the big losers. Those fans that abandoned us at the beginning of the dark years apear to have dumped AFL footy. Our crowd figures have been ordinary all season with only 53 000 going to the game vs Essendon.
Many dont think we deserve to be there and are not going.
We might have more AFL members that will go.
Yeah but fk, I reckon we are boring as well and I'm unhappy about the way we play but it sure as hell wont stop me from rocking up to a final at the G on a Sunday this is what we exist for.
I'm going - I've got my tickets - and hopefully I will witness a bedraggled, beaten and broken Tiger Army leaving the MCG in as much disarray as when Napolean's army left Moscow. To the other Carlton members and supporters who are all mealy mouthed about the Mighty Blues at the moment, this is what you can miss out on if you don't turn up. We are not expected to win so it is all upside for me.
So whereabouts have people gotten their seats for the game (as in bay number)? Reason I ask is that I've got a couple of mates thinking of getting some eBay tickets, but don't wanna be purchasing seats right in the middle of a Richmond bay stronghold, so if I can gauge where Carlton members have been allocated seats, it'll help me be able to pinpoint a bay where there's at least a few Carlton supporters for them to be sitting near.....thanks people!!!
Apparently more tickets will be made available on Thursday from unused club allocations. Yesterday 12,000 Carlton members purchased tickets compared to 26,000 Richmond fans. They will outnumber us 2-1 on Sunday.
Bring it!
So whereabouts have people gotten their seats for the game (as in bay number)? Reason I ask is that I've got a couple of mates thinking of getting some eBay tickets, but don't wanna be purchasing seats right in the middle of a Richmond bay stronghold, so if I can gauge where Carlton members have been allocated seats, it'll help me be able to pinpoint a bay where there's at least a few Carlton supporters for them to be sitting near.....thanks people!!!
Apparently more tickets will be made available on Thursday from unused club allocations. Yesterday 12,000 Carlton members purchased tickets compared to 26,000 Richmond fans. They will outnumber us 2-1 on Sunday.
Bring it!
I am going but in the MCC, yet I am a club member. So my ticket would not be counted amongst the 12,000. These numbers are never a true reflection.
I am going but in the MCC, yet I am a club member. So my ticket would not be counted amongst the 12,000. These numbers are never a true reflection.
Same here, a lot of Carlton fans will be in the MCC members side of the ground.
Those figures came from a Richmond official so they might not be accurate.
I am going but in the MCC, yet I am a club member. So my ticket would not be counted amongst the 12,000. These numbers are never a true reflection.
Same here, a lot of Carlton fans will be in the MCC members side of the ground.
I'm CFC and MCC member but I'm sitting nin the AFL members so there you go! :P
I'm CFC and MCC member but I'm sitting nin the AFL members so there you go! :P
Well La De Da!
As for the Nthmond figures, Mick Molloy said he was going that accounts for a lot of seats.
His ar5e takes up one whole bay and his head another!
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Also they had to book seats for the band to celebrate their premiership, talk about getting ahead of themselves!
One thing is for sure, you do not want to be near the Nthmond players race as they trudged off after the loss. Not unless you fancy a quick shower, coach Hardwick will learn the meaning of gob that day I tell you!
KB is annoying me with his hyper love of the tigers and hatred for us...we have to win to shut him up.....
We all know it's going to be Bootsma that comes in for Kreuzer if he gets dropped.... right?
We have the track record at the MC :P
KB is annoying me with his hyper love of the tigers and hatred for us...we have to win to shut him up.....
Yep he was crowing about them resting players and winning by 96 points the other day. He loves trying to wind up Carlton fans.
In reality, even he knows that its not going to happen and is simply doing it to be contraversial.
Correct he needs callers to ring in, he likes nothing better than to bait Carlton fans into ringing him. I don't know how superstitious you blokes are but fk me he is jinxing the crap out of Richmond!
The club posted a video of Monday review;
Most senior and rookie listed players attended but I could not sight at the session.
Seniors:
- McCarthy
- Mitchell
- Watson
- White
- Robinson*
- Buckley
- Temay
Rookies:
- Bell*
- Collins
Does anyone else think it's possible that they may bring Joesph in this week as a possible match up for Ellis???
If we need a "dud" in the side, I'd rather Joseph than Ellard. I thought Davey was particularly bad last week, kind of akin to where Robbo was last year... All crash and bash, no brains.
If he has a tagging role, Joseph can be quite effective.
I am going but in the MCC, yet I am a club member. So my ticket would not be counted amongst the 12,000. These numbers are never a true reflection.
Same here, a lot of Carlton fans will be in the MCC members side of the ground.
Ditto me....there's generally always a good turnout of Carlton supporters in the MCC area.
I am going but in the MCC, yet I am a club member. So my ticket would not be counted amongst the 12,000. These numbers are never a true reflection.
Same here, a lot of Carlton fans will be in the MCC members side of the ground.
Ditto me....there's generally always a good turnout of Carlton supporters in the MCC area.
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Finally got around to watching the replay tonight. There's no way Duigan would get dropped on that performance surely?
Finally got around to watching the replay tonight. There's no way Duigan would get dropped on that performance surely?
You'd have thought that based on the previous week though as well.
The club posted a video of Monday review;
Most senior and rookie listed players attended but I could not sight at the session.
Seniors:
- McCarthy
- Mitchell
- Watson
- White
- Robinson*
- Buckley
- Temay
Rookies:
- Bell*
- Collins
Link to the video?
This post is a little cryptic.
Did these guys miss a session or something?
Finally got around to watching the replay tonight. There's no way Duigan would get dropped on that performance surely?
You'd have thought that based on the previous week though as well.
I definitely did not, he was putrid against Essendon.
Disagree.
One of the few who put in 100%. Attack on the footy was great and was a LONG way from our worst.
Finally got around to watching the replay tonight. There's no way Duigan would get dropped on that performance surely?
Interesting Brettie. The other night, on Talking Footy when MM was on, Carey had a crack at doing the Ins and Outs. He had Judd, McClean, Caccia, cant remember the other one In. He had Duigan, McInnes, Bell and Ellard Out. MM looked at the outs, pointed to them and said to Carey "Hang on, dunno about the outs, one put us in front, one was as tuff as a cats head..." I assume he meant Bell and Duigan. He then said MC hadnt met and no decisions were made. I would doubt Duigan will be out.
Finally got around to watching the replay tonight. There's no way Duigan would get dropped on that performance surely?
Interesting Brettie. The other night, on Talking Footy when MM was on, Carey had a crack at doing the Ins and Outs. He had Judd, McClean, Caccia, cant remember the other one In. He had Duigan, McInnes, Bell and Ellard Out. MM looked at the outs, pointed to them and said to Carey "Hang on, dunno about the outs, one put us in front, one was as tuff as a cats head..." I assume he meant Bell and Duigan. He then said MC hadnt met and no decisions were made. I would doubt Duigan will be out.
......and Swan was on KB's show Monday saying all three of Judd, McLean and Scotland would play.
Everything said during the week is just for the media. We'll find out when they run out I reckon.
IMO i'd say neither Judd nor McLean will play. Medial ligament and a quad? they are not two week injuries.
Finally got around to watching the replay tonight. There's no way Duigan would get dropped on that performance surely?
Interesting Brettie. The other night, on Talking Footy when MM was on, Carey had a crack at doing the Ins and Outs. He had Judd, McClean, Caccia, cant remember the other one In. He had Duigan, McInnes, Bell and Ellard Out. MM looked at the outs, pointed to them and said to Carey "Hang on, dunno about the outs, one put us in front, one was as tuff as a cats head..." I assume he meant Bell and Duigan. He then said MC hadnt met and no decisions were made. I would doubt Duigan will be out.
......and Swan was on KB's show Monday saying all three of Judd, McLean and Scotland would play.
Everything said during the week is just for the media. We'll find out when they run out I reckon.
IMO i'd say neither Judd nor McLean will play. Medial ligament and a quad? they are not two week injuries.
Tend to agree, as I said in another thread, dont want a sub in the 1st or 2nd or the game is shot. We have subbed 9 times due to injury in the 1st or 2nd qtrs this year, we have lost every one of those games.
Disagree.
One of the few who put in 100%. Attack on the footy was great and was a LONG way from our worst.
Goddard's stats in that game would prove you wrong......
Finally got around to watching the replay tonight. There's no way Duigan would get dropped on that performance surely?
Interesting Brettie. The other night, on Talking Footy when MM was on, Carey had a crack at doing the Ins and Outs. He had Judd, McClean, Caccia, cant remember the other one In. He had Duigan, McInnes, Bell and Ellard Out. MM looked at the outs, pointed to them and said to Carey "Hang on, dunno about the outs, one put us in front, one was as tuff as a cats head..." I assume he meant Bell and Duigan. He then said MC hadnt met and no decisions were made. I would doubt Duigan will be out.
......and Swan was on KB's show Monday saying all three of Judd, McLean and Scotland would play.
Everything said during the week is just for the media. We'll find out when they run out I reckon.
IMO i'd say neither Judd nor McLean will play. Medial ligament and a quad? they are not two week injuries.
Tend to agree, as I said in another thread, dont want a sub in the 1st or 2nd or the game is shot. We have subbed 9 times due to injury in the 1st or 2nd qtrs this year, we have lost every one of those games.
Yep - for mine, if McLean plays especially, advantage Richmond. One week out with a quad....purlease.....
I can believe Juddy is on the cusp, but like McLean, the Scotland quad is a concern.
Stats dont tell the whole of any story. Yep, they tell part of a story, but rarely all of it.
If you think he was amongst the 3 or 4 worst wearing blue, then thats cool, but I'll disagree, I had him in the top 10... Stats or no stats.
Finally got around to watching the replay tonight. There's no way Duigan would get dropped on that performance surely?
Interesting Brettie. The other night, on Talking Footy when MM was on, Carey had a crack at doing the Ins and Outs. He had Judd, McClean, Caccia, cant remember the other one In. He had Duigan, McInnes, Bell and Ellard Out. MM looked at the outs, pointed to them and said to Carey "Hang on, dunno about the outs, one put us in front, one was as tuff as a cats head..." I assume he meant Bell and Duigan. He then said MC hadnt met and no decisions were made. I would doubt Duigan will be out.
......and Swan was on KB's show Monday saying all three of Judd, McLean and Scotland would play.
Everything said during the week is just for the media. We'll find out when they run out I reckon.
IMO i'd say neither Judd nor McLean will play. Medial ligament and a quad? they are not two week injuries.
Tend to agree, as I said in another thread, dont want a sub in the 1st or 2nd or the game is shot. We have subbed 9 times due to injury in the 1st or 2nd qtrs this year, we have lost every one of those games.
Yep - for mine, if McLean plays especially, advantage Richmond. One week out with a quad....purlease.....
I can believe Juddy is on the cusp, but like McLean, the Scotland quad is a concern.
Tend to agree here.
Judd is worth the risk, and I truly believe that Judd is professional enough to not put himself forward if he didn't think he was right.
While the other 2 would be great ins, I don't think they are high enough reward to take the risk... Certainly not both anyway.
It will be a hard battle on Saturday. We had luck when we beat them last time - although kicking a lot of points.
I am not sure we are good enough where bodies are thrown in seeking advantage with the loose ball.
It will be an interesting match.
Bell did some good things last week, but is under-skilled in top company.
I am not sure what Mick is working with the rucks. We do not get enough advantage from our dominance and Kreuzer is a little at sea in the forward line.
Why was Levi in the team last week - with the other two rucking?
We have some good boys, but the team is not settled enough to go that much further forward.
I think we will beat the Tigers - but could go either way.
Judd plays Lance Whitnall played in Braddle's 350th after doing his medial ligament a few weeks earlier, yeah it was a risk but he got through fine. I guess Juddy's at that stage of his career where the rewards outweigh the risk.
Anyone going down to training tomorrow? Judd will almost certainly be named IMO, whether he plays though...
Anyone going down to training tomorrow? Judd will almost certainly be named IMO, whether he plays though...
Thinking about it, what time is the session?
I think they having something Saturday as well with BBQ going ect. I believe Sat is from 10am
Dunno whether its already been said but MM's presssers are giving me the crapes!!
Fancy coming out and saying........
"we deserve to be in the finals" and using the past 15 rounds as eveidence that we're better than Port???? ??? :o
Would much prefer he came out and said
"Yep. We dont deserve to be here but circumstances as they are....here we are. AND while we're at it we're going to try to make the most out of it and give every team a run for their money depending on how far we can go"
Geez, to win a final would really peeve Ess off.....but to win maybe 2??????
I'd better stop........I'm getting that warm sensation in my pants ! ;)
FWIW, we dont deserve to be here. Players should earn the right to participate in finals and our clubs performances this year simply dont warrant it. Would be just lovely for them to be a nuisance thou!!
The ladder position warrants it, it is a top 8 after all and we lost two games to a side with a clear PED advantage, I say we should be there, albeit making up the numbers.
Which team did deserve that 8th spot? Essendon certainly doesn't and we have a better claim on that spot than anyone else.
Take your opportunities, I say. Win a final and that's a pretty good season. Plus Richmond will squeal which would warm my heart. Get a spanking and it's going to be a long preseason.
Anyone going down to training tomorrow? Judd will almost certainly be named IMO, whether he plays though...
Thinking about it, what time is the session?
My bad, it's a closed session.
We're in a beautiful spot, honestly.
No one thinks we deserve to be there, everyone expects Richmond to pants us after their best season in 10+ years, there is absolutely no expectation of us winning from the media or football public, in fact there's nothing good at all being said about us in the press.
Whereas Richmond carry the weight of the world on their shoulders, they've finished 5th on merit and, as I said above, absolutely everyone expects them to beat us, and they're buying into their own hype at every level from the supporters through to the coach in his media conferences. They are paying us absolutely no respect whatsoever.
Couple that with the fact that 99% of the Richmond list have never been exposed to Finals Footy. Most of our guys have and know what it takes to lift and even win a final.
We are firmly the underdog here in almost everyone's eyes, which is where I like us sitting and where we seem to play our best football.
We also had a FAR better lead up to Finals footy in Round 23 courtesy of our pressure cooker match against Port compared to the limp noodle performance Essendon put up against Richmond in a game that meant nothing. It was virtually NAB Cup pressure out there in that game.
Oh, and just to add a little more fuel to the fire, we came from behind to beat Richmond the last time we played them, which was only 3 weeks ago!
It's almost a perfect storm and I haven't had a positive feeling like this about an upcoming game for us all season. I'm picturing tidal waves, earthquakes, and nuclear meltdown at Punt Road by about 6pm on Sunday.
Carlton by 54 points.
Don't know about your winning margin Nathbear, but I appreciate the logic behind your post.
As I stated previously in this thread, this is a very winnable game for us. Very winnable. No delusions or pretensions at all in saying that. Of all the finalists, the Tiggies are the ones that are very easily within our grasp.
Brettie has written us off, and declared it is Betts last game.
So I can only conclude Blues by ten(10) goals and Betts contracted for three years!
Brettie has written us off, and declared it is Betts last game.
So I can only conclude Blues by ten(10) goals and Betts contracted for three years!
Bless Brettie...booking my flights to Sydney now.
Yeah but then you have Nath doing a KB and jinxing the fk out of us calling a 9 goal victory. Let's just stay quiet don't mess with the jinx lords leave that to KB.
Yeah but then you have Nath doing a KB and kinxing the fk out of us calling a 9 goal victory. Let's just stay quiet don't mess with the jinx lords leave that to KB.
Haha good point, I'll try to reign in my enthusiasm.
Been grinning all week at work so far, pretty sure my staff think I've been sneaking off for 'top ups' throughout each day.
Next week they'll either think I'm the moodiest bastard on Earth, or they'll be telling me I need to buy pants that are looser in a few key areas.
A Brettie beats a Nathbear hands down.
A Brettie can only be beaten by a Navy Andrew, or a JTG in combination with one of any other!
What time is kick off?
I have state home brew beer comp judging in the morning. Might just continue the boozing into the arvo to enjoy this one.
320pm either gonna be a great Monday back at work or an awful one. Amazing how September footy can shape your life.
Murph and MM coming up on AFL 360 tonight!
Murph and MM coming up on AFL 360 tonight!
Let us know what they say.
I have state home brew beer comp judging in the morning.
Where abouts Raven?
I have state home brew beer comp judging in the morning.
Where abouts Raven?
How stupid am I .
I've been looking at a new hobby been thinking about learning a language or an instrument or going back to golf, but never thought of becoming a home brewing superstar !!!
They just said the usual stuff looking forward to the game etc. etc.. Mick said our strengths are the ability to swing key position players and the fact that the midfield isn't entirely reliant on just a few players. He said we have the ability to play one or two taggers. Also said they pick the side to counter the opposition strengths as opposed to playing to their own strengths. Thought that one was very interesting.
Sunday is where we really rely upon the experience of MM to prepare our side for a cut-throat final.
He knows that this introverted bunch responds to heavy handed motivation - so hit em hard, coaching group.
They just said the usual stuff looking forward to the game etc. etc.. Mick said our strengths are the ability to swing key position players and the fact that the midfield isn't entirely reliant on just a few players. He said we have the ability to play one or two taggers. Also said they pick the side to counter the opposition strengths as opposed to playing to their own strengths. Thought that one was very interesting.
That last one sounds like a small lack in self belief. You know how hard it is to win when you try beating a team at their own game.
They just said the usual stuff looking forward to the game etc. etc.. Mick said our strengths are the ability to swing key position players and the fact that the midfield isn't entirely reliant on just a few players. He said we have the ability to play one or two taggers. Also said they pick the side to counter the opposition strengths as opposed to playing to their own strengths. Thought that one was very interesting.
That last one sounds like a small lack in self belief. You know how hard it is to win when you try beating a team at their own game.
So often introverts (in sport) need external motivation. Your extrovert pumps themselves... as a figure of speech!!! This is why our coaching group must be really aggressive with their motivation on Sunday. Introverts have a real prob with being in the 'present moment'... they need to be shocked into it.
Get them to sniff those smelling salts weight lifters do before a lift and slap them in the face for all I care. Use what ever tools are needed, and if they don't have enough tools I have a few baseball bats at home ready to go. ;)
Sunday is where we really rely upon the experience of MM to prepare our side for a cut-throat final.
He knows that this introverted bunch responds to heavy handed motivation - so hit em hard, coaching group.
Mate Im no expert in this area but I dont get how this is correct. I have trained a few dogs in my time and the introverted timid ones definitely dont respond to heavy handedness. The extroverted boisterous one do. Just a thought.
Sunday is where we really rely upon the experience of MM to prepare our side for a cut-throat final.
He knows that this introverted bunch responds to heavy handed motivation - so hit em hard, coaching group.
Mate Im no expert in this area but I dont get how this is correct. I have trained a few dogs in my time and the introverted timid ones definitely dont respond to heavy handedness. The extroverted boisterous one do. Just a thought.
I wouldn't mind getting Dame Edna to pep up some of the more comedic types in the team pre-match
Sunday is where we really rely upon the experience of MM to prepare our side for a cut-throat final.
He knows that this introverted bunch responds to heavy handed motivation - so hit em hard, coaching group.
Mate Im no expert in this area but I dont get how this is correct. I have trained a few dogs in my time and the introverted timid ones definitely dont respond to heavy handedness. The extroverted boisterous one do. Just a thought.
Understand. But introverted does not mean timid. Nor does extroverted mean tough. Its about much more than that. Put another way (way too simplisticly), introverts think too much before acting & extroverts act before thinking. Doully was an introvert (heavily so) but had to trust himself more being surrounded by so many extroverts... his team mates pushed him to trust himself and back himself.
Strong and passionate motivation helps introverts to
trust themselves and be
bold/confident. Introverts feel more comfortable responding, rather than initiating (as extroverts do). Bla bla bla... its a lot more involved than that, but our introverted side needs to come out on Sunday with a bold and confident resolve. From the first bounce they've all gotta want to hurt (for the cause) and be ruthlessly present as if it were the final minute and they needed a goal to win... and that is very much the coaching group's responsibility. But when I look at our coaching group... I do not see the strength needed to motivate. MM (an extrovert) needs more extroverted coaches around him in season 2014... not the
facile bunch he has at present... and for this reason I am not confident about Sunday, unless MM exhausts himself doing all the motivation himself.
Latest odds:
Tigers 1.50
Blues 2.65
Huh?
Didn't we win last time around and don't we have a lot more finals experience?
I'll be having a piece of that!!
Rule #1. Never mix gambling and emotion. You should never bet for or against your own team.
I have state home brew beer comp judging in the morning.
Where abouts Raven?
Glenelg, Adelaide. State brewing championships. Top 3 beers in each class can be entered to nationals the month following.
(Mad homebrewer here!). Got a fair few entries in myself too.
Rule #1. Never mix gambling and emotion. You should never bet for or against your own team.
I have won more money betting against Carlton than I have any other betting field.
Rule #1. Never mix gambling and emotion. You should never bet for or against your own team.
I have won more money betting against Carlton than I have any other betting field.
I would have thought betting against your team is one of the more clinical and calculated things you can do!
I've bet against Carlton 3 times and have lost my money, should I do it?
I've bet against Carlton 3 times and have lost my money, should I do it?
Couldn't hurt. :))
I often bet against Carlton as a hedging strategy.
Latest odds:
Tigers 1.50
Blues 2.65
Huh?
Didn't we win last time around and don't we have a lot more finals experience?
I'll be having a piece of that!!
Thats it, sew it up, Im guaranteeing a win now.
Nothing surer of a Carlton Victory and Richmond loss when those events occur.
Latest odds:
Tigers 1.50
Blues 2.65
Huh?
Didn't we win last time around and don't we have a lot more finals experience?
Odds would be longer if it wasn't for that fact.
Please let then choke!
Sunday is where we really rely upon the experience of MM to prepare our side for a cut-throat final.
He knows that this introverted bunch responds to heavy handed motivation - so hit em hard, coaching group.
Mate Im no expert in this area but I dont get how this is correct. I have trained a few dogs in my time and the introverted timid ones definitely dont respond to heavy handedness. The extroverted boisterous one do. Just a thought.
Understand. But introverted does not mean timid. Nor does extroverted mean tough. Its about much more than that. Put another way (way too simplisticly), introverts think too much before acting & extroverts act before thinking. Doully was an introvert (heavily so) but had to trust himself more being surrounded by so many extroverts... his team mates pushed him to trust himself and back himself.
Strong and passionate motivation helps introverts to trust themselves and be bold/confident. Introverts feel more comfortable responding, rather than initiating (as extroverts do). Bla bla bla... its a lot more involved than that, but our introverted side needs to come out on Sunday with a bold and confident resolve. From the first bounce they've all gotta want to hurt (for the cause) and be ruthlessly present as if it were the final minute and they needed a goal to win... and that is very much the coaching group's responsibility. But when I look at our coaching group... I do not see the strength needed to motivate. MM (an extrovert) needs more extroverted coaches around him in season 2014... not the facile bunch he has at present... and for this reason I am not confident about Sunday, unless MM exhausts himself doing all the motivation himself.
Nice summary Baggers and probably explains alot about our performances.
Throw caution to the wind boys >:(
MM (an extrovert) needs more extroverted coaches around him in season 2014... not the facile bunch he has at present... and for this reason I am not confident about Sunday, unless MM exhausts himself doing all the motivation himself.
Not sure if this Q has already been asked, Baggers do you see Ling as an extrovert?
According to the Podcast Judd a certain starter!
According to the Podcast Judd a certain starter!
Judd the Super Sub. ;)
Let's face it. We are going to need big games from the leaders at our club if they play some great football we will win this.
Reckon Tigers weight of expectations and excitement of just making the finals will see them fall over.
Blues to win by - who cares how much ;D
Judd, Scotland and McLean in the squad of 25! Hope they know what they are doing!!
Judd is no sub IMHO. He is a Rolls Royce. If he's fit he plays, if not he doesnt. Duigan is the ideal sub, tuff uncompromising utility type. Cannot go in with Cas, Kruze, and 206. Cas and Kruze for mine, 206 offers very little beyond stoppages.
Judd is no sub IMHO. He is a Rolls Royce. If he's fit he plays, if not he doesnt. Duigan is the ideal sub, tuff uncompromising utility type. Cannot go in with Cas, Kruze, and 206. Cas and Kruze for mine, 206 offers very little beyond stoppages.
Tend to agree with all of that.
Judd worth the risk.
MM (an extrovert) needs more extroverted coaches around him in season 2014... not the facile bunch he has at present... and for this reason I am not confident about Sunday, unless MM exhausts himself doing all the motivation himself.
Not sure if this Q has already been asked, Baggers do you see Ling as an extrovert?
Absolutely. Character too but unlikely to want to coach. Jude Bolton would be a terrific get.
Scotland, McLean and Judd all named in the starting 18, TBH I'm a bit concerned this could backfire, or is the MC foxing?
We are flying so far under the radar in this game, the technology may as well have not even been invented yet.
Just how I like it. No hype, no expectation, just get out there and perform.
We are the slowly simmering pot of water. Quietly turn up the heat and watch us boil!
Go Blues!
Yes, at last some circumspection, and MM isn't even Jewish.
Wonder how many of the INs will actually end up playing.
I reckon Judd plays and perhaps on of Mclean or Scotto. Geez it would be nice to have all three at full fitness three hardened senior players.
B: Heath Scotland, Michael Jamison, Lachie Henderson
HB: Zach Tuohy, Jarrad Waite, Bryce Gibbs
C: Chris Yarran, Mitch Robinson, Kade Simpson
HF: Ed Curnow, Andrew Walker, Brock McLean
F: Jeff Garlett, Matthew Kreuzer, Chris Judd
Foll: Robert Warnock, Eddie Betts, Marc Murphy
I/C: David Ellard, Nick Duigan, Andrew McInnes, Troy Menzel, Tom Bell, Levi Casboult, Dennis Armfield
In: Chris Judd, Brock McLean, Heath Scotland
Out: -
Ellard, Duigan, McInnes to miss for mine if the three inclusions play. There's also the question of Kreuzer/Warnock.
Just saw a Tigers ad about getting into finals. I know we were excited after 10 yrs but seriously make an ad WTF!! Makes just so much more want to see us win. #Believe
Judd is no sub IMHO. He is a Rolls Royce. If he's fit he plays, if not he doesnt. Duigan is the ideal sub, tuff uncompromising utility type. Cannot go in with Cas, Kruze, and 206. Cas and Kruze for mine, 206 offers very little beyond stoppages.
Tend to agree with all of that.
Judd worth the risk.
Fully fit...no doubt.
If that's the case he plays the full game..or at least starts it.
But I suspect they're taking a risk.
Now if he doesn't last the full game when would be the best time to use him....when the game is young or with about a quarter and a bit to go when he can go full bore for 40 minutes +.
I don't think he'd make a lot of difference early in the game when their mids were up and about but you can imagine the lift the side would get if they were trailing by a couple of goals and he was introduced into the game mid-way through the third quarter.
The supporter roar would be enough to give them a bit of a lift.
Psychologically it could cause the tigers to waver.
Playing Judd if he is a risk of getting worse is not on. Why would you try to beat the Tigers with him in the side and miss him helping you win the next final. If they do it and he isn't 100%, someone needs to be shot for the selection. IMO
I will be very disappointed if any of Judd, MacLean and Scotland take the field and can't run out the game.
You may be able to nurse an upper body injury through a game but playing someone with a dodgy leg is folly.
I will be very disappointed if any of Judd, MacLean and Scotland take the field and can't run out the game.
You may be able to nurse an upper body injury through a game but playing someone with a dodgy leg is folly.
Very risky IMO....I'd play Judd only......taking three dodgy older players into the game is too much of a risk..
I will be very disappointed if any of Judd, MacLean and Scotland take the field and can't run out the game.
You may be able to nurse an upper body injury through a game but playing someone with a dodgy leg is folly.
Very risky IMO....I'd play Judd only......taking three dodgy older players into the game is too much of a risk..
Gobsmacked....so we're playing these silly little selection games are we? If Scotland or especially McLean play, then we've already begun the game with at least one man down. Shaking my head at the bonehead decision to name them.
I will be very disappointed if any of Judd, MacLean and Scotland take the field and can't run out the game.
You may be able to nurse an upper body injury through a game but playing someone with a dodgy leg is folly.
Very risky IMO....I'd play Judd only......taking three dodgy older players into the game is too much of a risk..
Gobsmacked....so we're playing these silly little selection games are we? If Scotland or especially McLean play, then we've already begun the game with at least one man down. Shaking my head at the bonehead decision to name them.
1. Are the 3 in question in our best 22?
2. Do we know how bad the injuries were?
3. If the answer to 1. is yes, is it ok to give them every opportunity to get up for the game?
At the end of the day, its giving the Tiggers something to think about, could be just the little 0.5% that takes their eyes off the ball.
@brettie all three wont play. Judd the only chance and I'll be surprised to see him. It's not like we don't have a history of this sort of shenanigans. We even closed the training session so the opposition wouldn't see our players hobbling around.
I cant see Mclean playing. Does his best work motoring round the pitch running a bloke into the ground.
Judd and scotland can play half forward or half back with burst football in the guts.
Unless they are all minor strains and were put on ice out of precaution in case we made finals. Somehow i think all might play and might be in better nock than advertised.
I will be very disappointed if any of Judd, MacLean and Scotland take the field and can't run out the game.
You may be able to nurse an upper body injury through a game but playing someone with a dodgy leg is folly.
Very risky IMO....I'd play Judd only......taking three dodgy older players into the game is too much of a risk..
Gobsmacked....so we're playing these silly little selection games are we? If Scotland or especially McLean play, then we've already begun the game with at least one man down. Shaking my head at the bonehead decision to name them.
What do you know that the medical staff at CFC don't know ?
Still got 2 and a half days to finish off their preparation and prove themselves including an open session on Saturday.
Going into a cut-throat final with injured players is sheer lunacy, it has to be all part of a clever ruse to throw the Tigers out.
Going into a cut-throat final with injured players is sheer lunacy, it has to be all part of a clever ruse to throw the Tigers out.
You would hope this is the case if the players are not up to it. Maybe they are in better shape than we think and it is only Thursday still.
I don't think MM will want anyone taking the field who is not 100% - if there's one thing he isn't it would be sentimental, even towards Juddy!
I don't think MM will want anyone taking the field who is not 100% - if there's one thing he isn't it would be sentimental, even towards Juddy!
Not too sure about that Cookie; Malthouse has a history of playing injured players in finals; Didak in 2010, Beams, Jolly and Reid in 2011. Hopefully, he's learned his lesson and our 22 will fit and ready to go.
I don't think MM will want anyone taking the field who is not 100% - if there's one thing he isn't it would be sentimental, even towards Juddy!
Not too sure about that Cookie; Malthouse has a history of playing injured players in finals; Didak in 2010, Beams, Jolly and Reid in 2011. Hopefully, he's learned his lesson and our 22 will fit and ready to go.
True.
MM has form for playing less than 100% players for a while.
Not sure if its because players play when they shouldn't because they hide it or because MM would rather pick someone who he rates higher.
Judd at 80% or better is worth playing.
Scotland hasn't got going this season so would be inclined to leave him out.
McLean would need to be 110% fit to play as he is not quick when fit, and the tigers are a fast team.
Fingers crossed the match commitee gets it right.
Will be there with my Tiges supporting hubby. At least one of us will have a team still in the finals Monday.
Just buzzed about being in the finals at all - Go Blues !!!
I don't think MM will want anyone taking the field who is not 100% - if there's one thing he isn't it would be sentimental, even towards Juddy!
Not too sure about that Cookie; Malthouse has a history of playing injured players in finals; Didak in 2010, Beams, Jolly and Reid in 2011. Hopefully, he's learned his lesson and our 22 will fit and ready to go.
Lets be quite honest, half the team probably isn't 100% fit, same goes for Richmond. You can guarantee murphy, Waite, Kruezer, jamo, etc are all carrying niggles. It's all about calculated risk. You don't play players who can't see out 100min of football
Anyone else over the Richmond love in this week?
Anyone else over the Richmond love in this week?
Yep bloody oath... Honestly im amazed about how little attention we have had.. We have been given no chance and its like a nothing game Richmond are already in week two.. Even that knob Cloke last night paid us such little respect.
I hope the the tigers are thinking the same thing walk in the park they are already in week two...
I got a feeling Menzal might be one of the ones left out.. MM sees Garlett and Betts as the options really cant see us carry 3 specialist fwds.
Having said that it may force MC to play Yarran elsewhere, which based on last week its a much better option.
I reckon Richmond are banking on trying to stretch our defense they believe it where they will ultimately beat us.
Yep. Vickery, Reiwoldt and Edwards will stretch us height wise. At least there is no Bootsma this time. I guess that's why McInnes needs to play unless Duigan could take Edwards. Would be risky.
Anyone else over the Richmond love in this week?
Yes it is quite puke-inducing but victory would be all the sweeter if we can pull it off! Go Blues! >:D
At the end of this season, the joke will be:
Q. Who was the last coach to get Carlton into the finals?
A. James Hird ;D
Yes it is quite puke-inducing but victory would be all the sweeter if we can pull it off! Go Blues! >:D
Nthmond love this week is all about Carlton hate!
We have to put up with this for decades, until this generation of sour grapes commentators shuffle off. Just about any of them who played against us from the 80s until the early 2000s claim the only reason we beat them was due to the salary cap.
Fortunately for us, EFC have done more than enough to replace us as the focus of attention. They are now convicted salary cap and drug cheats!
I got a feeling Menzal might be one of the ones left out.. MM sees Garlett and Betts as the options really cant see us carry 3 specialist fwds.
Having said that it may force MC to play Yarran elsewhere, which based on last week its a much better option.
I reckon Richmond are banking on trying to stretch our defense they believe it where they will ultimately beat us.
Not based on this article! Sounds like he is a certain starter
Menzel growing in confidence (http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2013-09-06/menzel-growing-in-confidence)
Last final we played on an election weekend turned out great, hopefully a repeat of that ;D
Last final we played on an election weekend turned out great, hopefully a repeat of that ;D
Ah yes - right you are.......that glorious Prelim. Final!!!
At the end of this season, the joke will be:
Q. Who was the last coach to get Carlton into the finals?
A. James Hird ;D
Gold!! ;D
At the end of this season, the joke will be:
Q. Who was the last coach to get Carlton into the finals?
A. James Hird ;D
Gold!! ;D
Indeed! We'll be doing it for Jimmy. :))
I got a feeling Menzal might be one of the ones left out.. MM sees Garlett and Betts as the options really cant see us carry 3 specialist fwds.
Having said that it may force MC to play Yarran elsewhere, which based on last week its a much better option.
I reckon Richmond are banking on trying to stretch our defense they believe it where they will ultimately beat us.
Not based on this article! Sounds like he is a certain starter
Menzel growing in confidence (http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2013-09-06/menzel-growing-in-confidence)
Was just a feeling but yep looks like he will play.
If its wet conditions on Sunday, which at this stage is likely, that d take away any advantage their marking forwards might have.
At the end of this season, the joke will be:
Q. Who was the last coach to get Carlton into the finals?
A. James Hird ;D
Such a quotable line! May it be repeated!
Fck Tiger supporters are really starting to get my goat, so frrkn confident they are already talking next week & trying to recruit every other team against us (not that there's anything wrong with that bit). This from a team that have a player who's waited 200+ frrrkn games to play in a final FFS.
Please, please win this game. Don't care about next week, don't care about Mick being our coach - if we win I will for ever refer to him as the Super Messiah (ie. until we eventually sack him) >:D >:D
It's all good for us, they have spoken out loud all week and we've just minded our business, kept to ourselves and preapred for our game. If there's one thing I remember about MM at Collingwood, they ALWAYS stepped up for the finals. I'm expecting/hoping for the same from our boys.
Was just a feeling but yep looks like he will play.
Still makes the cut tonight very interesting! Can't decide which three will get the chop
Was just a feeling but yep looks like he will play.
Still makes the cut tonight very interesting! Can't decide which three will get the chop
I don't think we'll know for sure until an hour before the match TBH.
It's all good for us, they have spoken out loud all week and we've just minded our business, kept to ourselves and preapred for our game. If there's one thing I remember about MM at Collingwood, they ALWAYS stepped up for the finals. I'm expecting/hoping for the same from our boys.
Youre right Carrots, I expect to see him earn his keep and justify the $$$$ this week.
Was just a feeling but yep looks like he will play.
Still makes the cut tonight very interesting! Can't decide which three will get the chop
If MM sticks to his guns, Judd, Scotland and McLean.
MM always claims, when they are ready and one week more!
Finals experience is one advantage we hold over the Tigers. It's a long time since Hardwick was involved in the Port finals games, and that was only as an assistant. And our boys have mostly had a taste of finals in 2010 and 2011 as well as the NAB Cup GF at the start of this year.
Matthew White's omission through injury will be a setback for them. Not sure that Titch Edwards fills the hole.
Our last game revealed that Army is a great match-up for Ellis who can carve teams up. Always good to have one match-up already done and dusted.
Last time we played them without Kreuzer, Judd or Garlett.
That three alone make a world of difference.
Finals experience is one advantage we hold over the Tigers. It's a long time since Hardwick was involved in the Port finals games, and that was only as an assistant. And our boys have mostly had a taste of finals in 2010 and 2011 as well as the NAB Cup GF at the start of this year.
Don't under estimate M Williams there, he will know exactly what is involved as a coach and mentor.
Funny listening to SEN I think it was Nafan Thomson(?), talked up Carlton, experience campaigners in comparison, weight of expectation on tigers etc etc and then folded and tipped Tigers. So glad we are the underdogs here, absolutely nothing to lose :D
Don't under estimate M Williams there, he will know exactly what is involved as a coach and mentor.
Let's not forget that Choco coached Port to the biggest loss in a VFL/AFL GF - not bad given that the league is over a 100 years old. What does it say about your ability to get a side up for a final if your side is smashed from the start and ends up losing by 119 points? Given that they won the PF by 87 points, that's a massive 206 point turnaround in the GF!!!!!!!
Don't under estimate M Williams there, he will know exactly what is involved as a coach and mentor.
Let's not forget that Choco coached Port to the biggest loss in a VFL/AFL GF - not bad given that the league is over a 100 years old. What does it say about your ability to get a side up for a final if your side is smashed from the start and ends up losing by 119 points? Given that they won the PF by 87 points, that's a massive 206 point turnaround in the GF!!!!!!!
Coached his side to a flag too and that side that Port beat by 87pts in tthe PF also lost to Geelong in the QF by 104 pts.
Don't under estimate M Williams there, he will know exactly what is involved as a coach and mentor.
Let's not forget that Choco coached Port to the biggest loss in a VFL/AFL GF - not bad given that the league is over a 100 years old. What does it say about your ability to get a side up for a final if your side is smashed from the start and ends up losing by 119 points? Given that they won the PF by 87 points, that's a massive 206 point turnaround in the GF!!!!!!!
Well lets hope he uses that pre match speech again on Sunday.
Think Rob Walls made the comment a few years back that Williams was one of the most frustrating coaches ever. Could be brilliant and crap week to week.
Judd, Brock McLean and Heath Scotland will all line up in the final 22 picked for Sunday's game.
Andrew McInnes, David Ellard and Nick Duigan have been omitted and listed as the emergencies
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2013-09-06/judd-a-confirmed-starter
Judd, Brock McLean and Heath Scotland will all line up in the final 22 picked for Sunday's game.
Andrew McInnes, David Ellard and Nick Duigan have been omitted and listed as the emergencies
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2013-09-06/judd-a-confirmed-starter
Hope they don't bite us on the back side, not convinced that quad injuries recover so quickly.
Don't necessarily expect both McLean and Scotland to play.
McLean has been a bit of a bogeyman for Richmond and MM might just be bluffing, hence the closed training yesterday.
If the three inclusions are all fit then I'm happy. I'm a bit surprised Casboult was retained but good on him and I hope he goes well!
Don't necessarily expect both McLean and Scotland to play.
McLean has been a bit of a bogeyman for Richmond and MM might just be bluffing, hence the closed training yesterday.
Yeah, could be a late change (or two).
Just wondering, with jack, vickers and Edwards, who plays as the 3rd tall?. Just feel andy mac or Duigan need to play
We need to jump them from the start to take the crowd out. It will probably be one of the loudest AFL crowds of all time.
Judd, Brock McLean and Heath Scotland will all line up in the final 22 picked for Sunday's game.
Andrew McInnes, David Ellard and Nick Duigan have been omitted and listed as the emergencies
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2013-09-06/judd-a-confirmed-starter
Hope they don't bite us on the back side, not convinced that quad injuries recover so quickly.
The Juddster turns 30 on Sunday so hopefully the boys will celebrate it with a win over the Tiggers! 8)
Also a birthday for Duigs on the Saturday...he may yet replace Scotto.
McLean though seemed to be moving freely in the sneak peek Fox Footy got of the Blues closed training session so expect him to play.
Good luck to our youngsters playing in their first final :)
Updated weather forecast is for a cloudy but dry day on Sunday with light winds....looking good!
Just wondering, with jack, vickers and Edwards, who plays as the 3rd tall?. Just feel andy mac or Duigan need to play
Does anyone think that Richmond are playing a pretty static forward line? Lots of long bombs to their forward 50?
Just wondering, with jack, vickers and Edwards, who plays as the 3rd tall?. Just feel andy mac or Duigan need to play
Does anyone think that Richmond are playing a pretty static forward line? Lots of long bombs to their forward 50?
I think they have a pretty good mix. Edwards can work up the ground. As I said if anything we are a defender short IMO. Cannot understand the merits of playing warnock, Kruezer, and Cas in the same side. Cannot see it working. I would have Duigan in and Menzel out
Just wondering, with jack, vickers and Edwards, who plays as the 3rd tall?. Just feel andy mac or Duigan need to play
There has to be a change and either McInnes or Duigan will come in. Unless Kreuzer and Casboult will be our permanent forwards (God help us) with Waite, Hendo and Jamo all playing down back. Can't see that happening TBH.
McInnes has to play...we're too short down back otherwise ....IMHO ;)
Just wondering, with jack, vickers and Edwards, who plays as the 3rd tall?. Just feel andy mac or Duigan need to play
I remember a few years ago we played Geelong, who played Hawkins, JPod and Mooney. We went in seemingly one tall short but we played Walker on one of them. We smashed Geelong that day by 6 goals and part of that Walker killing them running off their static talls. The 3 amigos killed them for pace that day running into an open forward line, alot coming from our run out of defence.
Memo for Sunday:
Umpires are VERY Liberal in looking after the man with the ball.
Just wondering, with jack, vickers and Edwards, who plays as the 3rd tall?. Just feel andy mac or Duigan need to play
I remember a few years ago we played Geelong, who played Hawkins, JPod and Mooney. We went in seemingly one tall short but we played Walker on one of them. We smashed Geelong that day by 6 goals and part of that Walker killing them running off their static talls. The 3 amigos killed them for pace that day running into an open forward line, alot coming from our run out of defence.
Unfortunately Walker's defensive side has been exposed badly down back in the second half of the season, Fremantle really found him out a few weeks back. I wouldn't want him on Edwards no way. I guess if we stop decent supply from the midfield we're halfway there.
However it pans out, I hope our boys are watching tonight's game. An object lesson in how it's done (mainly by the Dawks).
However it pans out, I hope our boys are watching tonight's game. An object lesson in how it's done (mainly by the Dawks).
Definitely how to apply pressure and keep the pressure on for 4 quarters. You would think the Swans would have played better tonight because of the last game. Hodge being a danger guy tonight.
Just wondering, with jack, vickers and Edwards, who plays as the 3rd tall?. Just feel andy mac or Duigan need to play
I remember a few years ago we played Geelong, who played Hawkins, JPod and Mooney. We went in seemingly one tall short but we played Walker on one of them. We smashed Geelong that day by 6 goals and part of that Walker killing them running off their static talls. The 3 amigos killed them for pace that day running into an open forward line, alot coming from our run out of defence.
Unfortunately Walker's defensive side has been exposed badly down back in the second half of the season, Fremantle really found him out a few weeks back. I wouldn't want him on Edwards no way. I guess if we stop decent supply from the midfield we're halfway there.
Aaron Edwards is a dangerous player....no obvious matchup and I think Walker may get him as the alternatives are few. Touhy did well on Martin last game so I think that option for Edwards wont be there...
Edwards doesnt chase and isnt a player who keeps the ball in the 50 with second efforts and is purely offensive....but he is very strong in the air for his inches and one of the most accurate kicks in the comp, I hope we have done our homework on him and dont get burnt by concentrating on Reiwoldt and Vickery.
Looking at the game on TV now I 'm thinking we have one tall too many for a highly contested final. Both Sydney and Hawthorn subbed off their ruckmen in the 3rd qtr. Nothing as sure, barring an injury, that one of our talls will be subbed too at some stage in the 3rd qtr.
However it pans out, I hope our boys are watching tonight's game. An object lesson in how it's done (mainly by the Dawks).
Definitely how to apply pressure and keep the pressure on for 4 quarters. You would think the Swans would have played better tonight because of the last game. Hodge being a danger guy tonight.
Agree - Swans have been (dare I say it) gallant most of the season without a number of their stars and senior players. Couldn't have done much better IMO.
The stakes are higher after the Swans were plucked. Biggest loss under Longmire. Maybe McVeigh injured, and a few of their guys were exposed for their lack of preparation - Rohan, Hanneberry, and Jetta. That was a bit of a warning shot were the Swans considering bringing back Goodes and LRT. A preliminary final may well be on the line on Sunday.
The stakes are higher after the Swans were plucked. Biggest loss under Longmire. Maybe McVeigh injured, and a few of their guys were exposed for their lack of preparation - Rohan, Hanneberry, and Jetta. That was a bit of a warning shot were the Swans considering bringing back Goodes and LRT. A preliminary final may well be on the line on Sunday.
Biggest los was 46 points and now 54 points, but man they looked flat after half time. Poor recovery or lack of it between the ears. No franklin and Rioli could have made an ugly final even worse. If the Swans can be beaten it is now.
Not liking us going into this game with Krooze, Warnock and Levi in the side.
We could be exposed for a lack of pace. Get sn injury and we will be even more exposed.
Remember first Saints game. We lost Ellard and yarran early and got stuck playing 3 big men.
Think we should definitely reconsider Casboult's selection - I think, after watching the Swans tonight, I'd prefer to see Duigan back as another midfield rotation who can put his body into the clearances and disputed possessions as well as being an extra defender if needed.
The stakes are higher after the Swans were plucked. Biggest loss under Longmire. Maybe McVeigh injured, and a few of their guys were exposed for their lack of preparation - Rohan, Hanneberry, and Jetta. That was a bit of a warning shot were the Swans considering bringing back Goodes and LRT. A preliminary final may well be on the line on Sunday.
Biggest los was 46 points and now 54 points, but man they looked flat after half time. Poor recovery or lack of it between the ears. No franklin and Rioli could have made an ugly final even worse. If the Swans can be beaten it is now.
The Swans looked knackered in the second half. They will play at ANZ Stadium next Saturday night (hopefully against us). Not sure how quickly the turf at ANZ will recover from the rugby league game on the Friday night. Might make it that bit tougher for the Swans given their injury toll too.
Think we should definitely reconsider Casboult's selection - I think, after watching the Swans tonight, I'd prefer to see Duigan back as another midfield rotation who can put his body into the clearances and disputed possessions as well as being an extra defender if needed.
Actually reconsider a ruckman. Our ruckman, compared to those of other clubs, are terrible when up forward.
Nothing surer that of of the 3 will be subbed sometime in the 3rd qtr, probably early in it .
Not liking us going into this game with Krooze, Warnock and Levi in the side.
We could be exposed for a lack of pace. Get sn injury and we will be even more exposed.
Remember first Saints game. We lost Ellard and yarran early and got stuck playing 3 big men.
I'm really worried that we are going to be too slow. The 3 ins don't actually burn the track up.
Remember that Matt White is out with a hammie, and Nathan Foley has been omitted. On top of that, Newman has been selected notwithstanding concerns over an ankle injury. Foley and White out means a real loss of top-line speed.
Warning for Sunday!! Don't park at the tennis centre as they have doubled the price from $15 to $30 for the finals.
Can't pick this game.
I think we kick straight and hold our nerve they may fall away is the second half.
But they have played a few impressive games this year.
Can we run out the game?
A preliminary final may well be on the line on Sunday.
Well it will more than likely come down to either Carlton, Richmond or Sydney playing the Handbaggers in the Prelim which is disturbing in itself but it shows the importance of a Carlton Win. Why? Because Richmond just aren't good enough even if they beat us to roll Geewankers, where as we are capable of beating anyone (except Hawthorn ::)) on any given day.
Warning for Sunday!! Don't park at the tennis centre as they have doubled the price from $15 to $30 for the finals.
Hope Jeffy takes a cab!! ;)
I have never ever seen a team get pumped up leading in to a game as much as the Tigers before in my life.
It's like they are favourites in a Grand Final.
Their tears will taste sweet on Sunday Arvo.
They reckon this will pump their tyres..
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Gimme a little of this FFS
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I did not #believe it until I saw it with my own eyes. The Tigs have produced and ad, on TV, congratulating themselves for making finals. Woweee!
I'm actually quite enjoying the lack of media coverage on us for a change, it's almost as if the Tiges are plying themselves.
This is good cause we usually play poorly when our tyres are pumped up.
The Tigers have everything to lose. :P
Can't pick this game.
I think we kick straight and hold our nerve they may fall away is the second half.
But they have played a few impressive games this year.
Can we run out the game?
Totally agree. If we kick straight and get them in the first half they will break. Reckon their resolve is as big as ours tends to be. Too close to call.
The stakes are higher after the Swans were plucked. Biggest loss under Longmire. Maybe McVeigh injured, and a few of their guys were exposed for their lack of preparation - Rohan, Hanneberry, and Jetta. That was a bit of a warning shot were the Swans considering bringing back Goodes and LRT. A preliminary final may well be on the line on Sunday.
Biggest los was 46 points and now 54 points, but man they looked flat after half time. Poor recovery or lack of it between the ears. No franklin and Rioli could have made an ugly final even worse. If the Swans can be beaten it is now.
self preservation kicked in when the hawks doubled their score and the game opened up. Looked like they were going through the motions when the hawks doubled their score.
The stakes are higher after the Swans were plucked. Biggest loss under Longmire. Maybe McVeigh injured, and a few of their guys were exposed for their lack of preparation - Rohan, Hanneberry, and Jetta. That was a bit of a warning shot were the Swans considering bringing back Goodes and LRT. A preliminary final may well be on the line on Sunday.
Biggest los was 46 points and now 54 points, but man they looked flat after half time. Poor recovery or lack of it between the ears. No franklin and Rioli could have made an ugly final even worse. If the Swans can be beaten it is now.
self preservation kicked in when the hawks doubled their score and the game opened up. Looked like they were going through the motions when the hawks doubled their score.
Gee, the Hawks get away with a hell of a lot of throws in and around stoppages.
Please, please, please play Gibbs in an attacking role in the guts. I believe this could be his most career defining game. Yarran off a wing or half back too. We look so much better with Yaz breaking the lines and giving lace out passes into the fwd line. Warnock in the ruck with Kruezer roaming where he sees fit.
pretty nervous about bringing three injured players in Judd is OK, not sure about Brock and Scotto. Don't want players not 100% that arnt named Judd. I hope this is not going to cost us. Having said that, not sure if Scotto will play, which would bring Duigan back in, his hardness in the last two weeks has been pretty good.
Like most of you have been saying, Richmond have gotten a bit ahead of themselves, by a bit I mean WAY.
Bit surprised Duigan has been omitted. Cant see all of the 3 inclusions taking their place, suspect that Duigan will retain his place at the expense of Mclean. Wouldn't be to fussed if Judd doesn't come up but expect he will play.
Anyone hit the open training session today??
Just heard from a relative of a Richmond emergency that they are expecting no change tomorrow. Wonder if we will be the same.
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/afl/afl-news/familiar-refrain-calls-family-to-rally-round-20130906-2taky.html
Keep pumping them up media people, it'll make it all the more sweeter when we pinch it from them. :P
http://www.canberratimes.com.au/afl/afl-news/familiar-refrain-calls-family-to-rally-round-20130906-2taky.html
Keep pumping them up media people, it'll make it all the more sweeter when we pinch it from them. :P
Yeah I was watching the Richmond supporters traipsing around the city today and quietly thought to myself how flat they're all going to be Sunday night. Somehow I just feel Richmond will cough this up. Bartlett will have a fit and that alone will be worth it.
Tomorrow could be doubly sweet.
We beat Nthmond, Buckley is out and MM coaches Carlton to a win!
Stick it to two clubs in one game!
Stick it to two clubs in one game!
LOL oh yes!
Hope Port winning isnt the last of the surprise wins.....you always get one outsider get up but we have had two today......odds just against us tomorrow if you were a betting man and playing the percentages...
Hope Port winning isnt the last of the surprise wins.....you always get one outsider get up but we have had two today......odds just against us tomorrow if you were a betting man and playing the percentages...
I would rather the odds against us as there is less expectation. Like when we played last week. ;)
Hope Port winning isnt the last of the surprise wins.....you always get one outsider get up but we have had two today......odds just against us tomorrow if you were a betting man and playing the percentages...
I would rather the odds against us as there is less expectation. Like when we played last week. ;)
Yeah I think the same way here Mantis. We have nothing to lose - we weren't even supposed to there LOL! Still laughing about it :)) :)) :))
Tomorrow could be doubly sweet.
We beat Nthmond, Buckley is out and MM coaches Carlton to a win!
Stick it to two clubs in one game!
We'd be sticking it to three of the b@rstards LP, since we've got the Bummers spot in the finals!
A Carlton win combined with the Abbott paid maternity leave policy could make for a crazy Sunday night in the Bear Cave!
A Carlton win combined with the Abbott paid maternity leave policy could make for a crazy Sunday night in the Bear Cave!
I need the Carlton win to get over Abbott.........and Clive Palmer....
Motivation tomorrow??
Finish higher than Collingwood!!
Hope Port winning isnt the last of the surprise wins.....you always get one outsider get up but we have had two today......odds just against us tomorrow if you were a betting man and playing the percentages...
Your right i cant see the outsider (richmond) getting up in our game either.
Why are we the outsider again?
Is it the fact that we are playing our fourth finals series in five years vs the Tigers first since prior to 2000?
Or is it the fact that in our last 11 matches they have beaten us once and it was our first game under our brand new coach?
I reckon the market has got it wrong and we shouldnt be outsiders to be honest.
So if we win we finish higher than Collingwood, Richmond and Essendon despite finishing 9th!
So if we win we finish higher than Collingwood, Richmond and Essendon despite finishing 9th!
Yeah it's a blast and they have all summer to choke on it! :)) :)) :)) :))
So if we win we finish higher than Collingwood, Richmond and Essendon despite finishing 9th!
Yep, we're in the last six!!
Hope Port winning isnt the last of the surprise wins.....you always get one outsider get up but we have had two today......odds just against us tomorrow if you were a betting man and playing the percentages...
Your right i cant see the outsider (richmond) getting up in our game either.
Why are we the outsider again?
Is it the fact that we are playing our fourth finals series in five years vs the Tigers first since prior to 2000?
Or is it the fact that in our last 11 matches they have beaten us once and it was our first game under our brand new coach?
I reckon the market has got it wrong and we shouldnt be outsiders to be honest.
4 more wins during the season, 16 or so better percentage.
They are the better performed side over the season. They deserve to go in as favourites but we perform well against them, it's their first final in a while - that gives us a shot.
So if we win we finish higher than Collingwood, Richmond and Essendon despite finishing 9th!
Yep, we're in the last six!!
Still 7 teams in it. Only the Pies are outski atm.
So the day is here!. Can't wait to hop in the car and head to the "g". Heart says we can win, head says rich have been the better side all year and finals have a way of sorting out the men from the boys. Here's hoping the head doesn't no s#*t. Finally here's hoping for a late change, we are definitely 1 defender short atm
Pick up HS and 2 double pages of richmond and one very long dribble article about Daniel Jackson.. We get a little snippet about if Judd is playing or not..
Time to shut all these people up.. Game day lets go blues.
So the day is here!. Can't wait to hop in the car and head to the "g". Heart says we can win, head says rich have been the better side all year and finals have a way of sorting out the men from the boys. Here's hoping the head doesn't no s#*t. Finally here's hoping for a late change, we are definitely 1 defender short atm
I woke up feeling very good about this one! We can definitely get across the line IMO!
I reckon Jeffy Garlett will play a big game today, I remember back in 2011 he was down on form coming into the finals but stepped it up a notch against the scum. I guess he now has 4 games finals experience and knows what's required. This is the edge we have on the Tiges. Fingers crossed it's enough.
Dont want to get exitied and predict a win. When I do it ultimately ends in tears.
If nothing else, we can say that our 2013 season lasted at least one day longer than Collingwood's !
Win today then it's Sydney, Freo and da da dada dada :o
Win today then it's Sydney, Freo and da da dada dada :o
I like that.
Can I use this on FB?
We have far more guns than the Tigers.
We just need a few to fire today and we'll get home.
At the corner having a beer with some Richmond mates, good feeling in the air on a beautiful melbourne day! Plenty of tiger support out 10 to 1 blues it feels like.
Go Blues!
Reckon Richmond willl be nervous for at least the first half of the opening quarter .... and if we jump out of the stalls, we could create some real havoc by 1/4 time.
I don't doubt we'll win, but that's predicated on an even contribution and breaking out thru the corridoors when those opportunities present. They'll come hard at us at some stage, so I'm praying we have enough resolve and "trust in team mates" to hold them out.
Should be a good game.
We have far more guns than the Tigers.
We just need a few to fire today and we'll get home.
Agree. If Murphy, Gibbs, Judd, Yarran, Garlett, Waite, Hendo, Betts, Tuohy, Jamo and co all stand up we have to be in with a HUGE chance. It just depends on which Carlton shows up, Jeckyll or Hyde?
We have far more guns than the Tigers.
We just need a few to fire today and we'll get home.
Agree. If Murphy, Gibbs, Judd, Yarran, Garlett, Waite, Hendo, Betts, Tuohy, Jamo and co all stand up we have to be in with a HUGE chance. It just depends on which Carlton shows up, Jeckyll or Hyde?
Hopefully Mr Hyde. GO BLUES!!
I reckon play Waite forward. In a way he's like Newman from the Tiges, been around a long time but only played in one final. He's waited a long time for another one, I reckon he'll be pumped for sure. If he can get on a roll he's almost unstoppable.
I reckon play Waite forward. In a way he's like Newman from the Tiges, been around a long time but only played in one final. He's waited a long time for another one, I reckon he'll be pumped for sure. If he can get on a roll he's almost unstoppable.
He might even be a bit fitter than a month ago.
We have far more guns than the Tigers.
We just need a few to fire today and we'll get home.
Our lesser lights playing shutdown roles were the big factor last time. We'll see if they can stand up again and whether our good players can stand up.
Tomorrow could be doubly sweet.
We beat Nthmond, Buckley is out and MM coaches Carlton to a win!
Stick it to two clubs in one game!
We'd be sticking it to three of the b@rstards LP, since we've got the Bummers spot in the finals!
Essendumb, Ninthmond and the Filth, now that is a sweet trifecta !!!
Stick it to two clubs in one game!
3 clubs - Tigers, Scum and Filth.
Apparently Casboult replaced in the side by McInnes (late change).
Apparently Casboult replaced in the side by McInnes (late change).
yep that is confirmed.
troy menzel will start in the green vest for us.
shane tuck for the tigers
Bit disappointed Duigan didn't come in, McInnes has had a couple of ordinary games over the last few weeks. I suppose this means Waite, Hendo or maybe both forward if Menzel is the sub.
Bit odd to leave out a tall marking target on the dry day, but I gather that means we are going for pace ahead of height.
Bit odd to leave out a tall marking target on the dry day, but I gather that means we are going for pace ahead of height.
If we lose I'm sure this will become a sore point.
Bit odd to leave out a tall marking target on the dry day, but I gather that means we are going for pace ahead of height.
If we lose I'm sure this will become a sore point.
I think they've looked at how sides with too many talls have gone this weekend.
McLean a late late out. Duigan in. Not sure if he's sub or not, though.
McLean a late late out. Duigan in. Not sure if he's sub or not, though.
Menzel sub
Our kicking has been woeful and it's mainly just bombs. I hate our game style.
MM is modelling our game on Pagan's plan. Disgraceful...bomb...bomb...bomb
There is just no flow in our game. No linking of play WTF??? Just kick and hope, kick and hope. :-\