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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: RD 21: Richmond v Carlton (Pre-game Prayers)
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Someone today asked me if I'd want to play finals via the back-door i.e. 9th, even though we are likely to get flogged.

My answer was an unequivocal yes. The thought of playing Collingwood or Richmond in a final is mouth watering even if we do get beaten.

Finals are finals and given how starved we have been over the last 18 years I'll take them any way possible.

As blindingly optomistic or idiotic this may sound, our destiny still rests with us and until we are totally and mathematically out of the frame, I'll keep hoping we can put something together.

I'm hoping the injection of some youth may give us some sort of pulse. Richmond are beatable and have weaknesses. I hope we show some serious balls.

It's funny isn't it.

We are still a chance to get into finals, as unlikely as that seems. Everyone is too busy throwing in the towell to care.

Going by form, logic, current players available for both sides and the misalignment of the planets at present, there is nothing that suggests we even have a sniff in this game.

So going by that, we will win by 2 goals.  :o
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Chris Yarran has gone backwards.
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on
Walker's defensive side has been average this year. He was exposed as the weak link vs Freo. As for him not being as useful in front of goal, how many did he kick in his injury free year in 2011? 52 from memory, he was our leading goalkicker I think. Yarran was copping the defensive forward in every game as a defender.

Read what i write carrots.

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Yarran is probably better streaming through the middle of the ground, and probably better at kicking the miracle goal.
Walker is better as a leadup forward, but not as useful in front of goal. Would also struggle given our forward setup now.

Yarran is more freakish in front of goal and more capable of pulling one out of nothing.
Walker is more reliable as a leadup forward. Read consistent.

You've formed an opinion and everything you say from now you arrange to fit in line with your original opinion. ie everything was better under ratten.
Trying to convince you of otherwise is pointless at present.

Personally, i think the defensive forwards worked a treat more often than not on Yarran last year. That hasn't worked on Walker this year (or it hasn't been tried). He couldn't break a decent tag.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Chris Yarran has gone backwards.
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@ Carrots and (the poster formerly known as) LLT

I never said Yarran was better, i said he hasn't gone backwards. His stats show he is better.

I said previously that i think he is essentially the same player he was last year. Brilliant at his best, sooky and disinterested at his worst and overall consistently inconsistent.

Carrots is trying to say he was a star more often than not last year. I'm saying there is negligable difference one way or the others.

If he is about the same, is he more effective as a forward or a defender? Or are we saying he is as effective as a forward as he is a defender?

I think you need to package up Andrew Walker to make that decision.

Walker back and Yarran forward
or
Yarran back and Walker forward

What works better? Don't know.

I think Walker is a better defender as he can play on tallish players as well.
Yarran is probably better streaming through the middle of the ground, and probably better at kicking the miracle goal.
Walker is better as a leadup forward, but not as useful in front of goal. Would also struggle given our forward setup now.

I think this years version of Walker back and Yarran forward works better than last years version of Walker forward and Yarran back..

Ideally, you'd want Yarran to work on his tank and consistency and get more time in the middle.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Chris Yarran has gone backwards.
@ Carrots and (the poster formerly known as) LLT

I never said Yarran was better, i said he hasn't gone backwards. His stats show he is better.

I said previously that i think he is essentially the same player he was last year. Brilliant at his best, sooky and disinterested at his worst and overall consistently inconsistent.

Carrots is trying to say he was a star more often than not last year. I'm saying there is negligable difference one way or the others.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Chris Yarran has gone backwards.
Quote from: PassIt2Carrots on
Didn't you watch the game on the weekend? Stats mean sweet FA, I know what Yarran is capable of and I've seen what he's produced in the past, especially the previous two years. I've provided highlight reels at the start of the thread, go back and take a look if you can't seem to remember how good he was.

Double the tackles.
More hard ball.
More goals.

You want to watch a highlight reel, go support the ruckman for the eagles.

You want team oriented output...stay tuned.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Chris Yarran has gone backwards.
Here are some stats on Yarran comparing last year to this year.
Last year he was a backman.
This year he is a forward.

Averages...
Disposals
2012 - 14.7 per game
2013 - 10.3

Goals
2012 - 0.5
2013 - 1.4

Tackles
2012 - 1.7
2013 - 3.8

Contested possesions
2012 - 4.1
2013 - 4.7

...and finally the % of his possessions that are contested
2012 - 28%
2013 - 44%

So although his overall possessions are down a touch from last year, he is kicking more goals (as you'd expect being forward now) but also laying double the amount of tackles he was laying last year.

Overall he is getting more hard ball per game, but overall he is getting a lot more hard ball and less easy ball compared to last year.

So the stats say that he is laying more tackles, getting more hard ball and obviously hitting the scoreboard more.

So tell me how it is exactly he is going backwards again? ???
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Chris Yarran has gone backwards.
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Can't remember Mick calling him selfish. He criticised him for showing signs of injury. Of course Mick in the commentary box was in a great position to tell just how Yazz was feeling. Let's face it, the guy hasn't got the best record when it comes to Chris Yarran

Mick called him selfish.

Essentially he said the way he carried on while injured was not good. It shows a weakness to the opposition. He didn't need to carry on the way he did.

Its the same reason why Mick said what he said recently in regards to Murphy and injuries etc.

All players who take the field are 100% fit. Implying anything other than that is showing weakness. Mick is all about the psychology of battle. Show a strong, united front at all times.

This is his issue with Yarran and his injury. It went against his mantra and in his opinion was selfish for not sucking it up and putting the team first.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Chris Yarran has gone backwards.
You are not going to change your mind, i know that and you know that.

By for the sake of completeness, i feel the need to put the record straight for others who may have forgotten and simply take your word for it.

Yarran has played many a disinterested game in the 2's and the 1's.
I already pointed out when Mick called him out for being selfish when he got injured. That is our current coach making an observation about Yarran under our previous coach. Doing the same thing he has done this year!
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Chris Yarran has gone backwards.
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Nah it's different rules for different players, that's what's so annoying but nobody gets it. You can only say it so many times.

You are starting to sound like Jimbo.

You can say it repeatedly, how about backing it up with some facts.

What i am hearing from you is that Yarran has been ruined by Mick Malthouse and that he was an out and and star under Ratten. Your opinion, and so be it.

No, what I'm saying is he was developing nicely under Ratts but has gone backwards under Malthouse. I think he's lost all passion, and more importantly all confidence. It took Ratts a good few years to build up Yazz's confidence and it seems Mick's undone it all in a few months. IMO.

What's wrong with Jimbo anyway? :P

I recall quite clearly Yazz playing for the NBs last year and he was pathetic. His attitude (and this is under Ratts, to respond to what you write above) stunk. He was blasted by team mates and was the very personification of petulance. He was booed by our supporters from the ground... then was rewarded with senior selection the following week! FMD! However, this year when he spent time in the twos, he actually tried hard and got dirty. He is better under MM, but clearly has some attitude problems. Maybe he can only be a one way, prima donna :-\

This is what i was suggesting earlier. Carrots is looking at what he sees as the outcome (Yarran has gone backwards under Mick) and bringing up things that back that up, and ignoring (or forgetting) that the same things occured previously.

I am a huge fan of Yazza and i think he has been pretty much consistently inconsistent year to year.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Chris Yarran has gone backwards.
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Nah it's different rules for different players, that's what's so annoying but nobody gets it. You can only say it so many times.

You are starting to sound like Jimbo.

You can say it repeatedly, how about backing it up with some facts.

What i am hearing from you is that Yarran has been ruined by Mick Malthouse and that he was an out and and star under Ratten. Your opinion, and so be it.

What i recall is that he had some great games under Ratten, but he also had some shockers were he was tagged out of the game, wouldn't chase or tackle and generally sulked.
I actually recall Malthouse complaining about the way Yarran sooked, while commentating, about when he got himself injured and carried on. Malthouse did not like the fact he put himself ahead of the team and showed weakness. The majority of people agreed.
Alternatively Yarran has had some great games this year too. West Coast and despite the late misses, Tigers as well. In fact, a lot of the early games he was very good.

I know you're angry with the club, and specifically Mick. I think your anger is playing tricks with your memory.

I think you'll also find that Mick has chastised many at the club thus far. Robbo and Walker have got some bench abuse and there have been plenty of others. I actually think the ONLY reason Yarran has received so much attention is because the media knows something about that whole scenario that it is not letting on (verbal backlash from Yarran? Off-field issues). THEN the way Yarran responded, badly, added more fuel to the fire.

I get you're on a witch hunt and want whats best for the club. I just think you've got the blinkers on.

FWIW, your value on Yarran is way off. Clubs realise his talent and despite a recent drop in form, a first round pick is all but guaranteed.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Chris Yarran has gone backwards.
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Wow brilliant move by Malthouse to drop him, certainly got the best out of him didn't it? He's firing on all cylinders now. He's not in our best 22 and our best 22 is a pretty weak outfit. What a fall from grace from Yarran, TBH I can't even watch him any more it's just too painful.

Cmon Carrots, you are better than that.

The players don't get given games, they need to earn them.

If they don't buy in to the gameplan and are disinterested then that is on them.

Many on here were blaming Malthouse for how Kade Simpson was travelling early on. Now Simmo has listened, learned and performed his new role exactly as Mick wants him too and have a look at the benefits, one of our best last night.

Freo were so impressive because everyone buys in to the team game plan. If you have a player, or 10, that don't it doesn't work. Mick is working out who is willing to buy in and work for the team. Yarran has the ability, he needs to prove he has the mental capacity and dedication to become a real player.

I love Yarran, but this is on him, not Mick.