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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Last post by LP -
Quote from: kruddler on
Charles is leading the Coleman. He has kicked a goal in every one of his last 56? Games which is a record a that goes back decades to find a peer I believe. I'm not sure how out of form he is.

However that out of form also coincides with playing 2 rucks. Harry being in the 50 full time during the period you mentioned.
Charlie has been inconsistent all season, but I admit he and coach have stated his role is a little different this year, he's had moments when his ability shines and he can score quickly, but he is not consistent like he has been the previous two seasons. He's also scored a bunch more of the Joe the Goose type goals courtesy of Harry or TDK contesting while Charlie roves the back of the pack. While I understand his ability to recover quickly is unique for a player his size and shape, he needs the others contesting to do that but that is not how we want to see Charlie Curnow scoring goals, it should be an occasional feature not a method operandi.

I'd like to claim we don't need TDK or even Cripps and Pitto pressing forward, but at the moment TDK is proving valuable. He can't do that and ruck, and even if he does push or rest forward when rucking it probably means one of Charlie or BigH aren't there and the advantage of being the 3rd wheel that needs a cover is lost.

But this debate becomes silly when people demand one or the other, it has to be horses for courses, and I expect some weeks even if the list is in full health we should / would go with only one ruck.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Last post by Lods -
We probably need to consider the quality of opposition when comparing combinations.

Which block is the better, given who we beat, and where we currently sit?

Team-margin -current ladder position

Tom DeKoning rucking

Brisbane  +1 (currently 13th)
Richmond +5 (currently 17th)
North Melbourne +56 (currently 18th)
Fremantle +10 (currently 9th)

Pittonet /DeKoning sharing the load

Adelaide -2 (currently 12th)
GWS +19 ( currently 5th)
Geelong -13 (currently 2nd)
Collingwood -6 (currently 8th)
Melbourne +1 (currently 4th)
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Last post by kruddler -
Quote from: LP on
BigH has consistently been our only effective forward in the last month or so, Charlie is in a rut, and the anti-ruck-duo brigade want BigH out of F50 and rucking when he doesn't really need to do so, even contemplating it momentarily is pure insanity!

Playing devils advocate here...
Charles is leading the Coleman. He has kicked a goal in every one of his last 56? Games which is a record a that goes back decades to find a peer I believe. I'm not sure how out of form he is.

However that out of form also coincides with playing 2 rucks. Harry being in the 50 full time during the period you mentioned.

Soeaking of Harry, he only found form when he was able go break the shackles and play up the ground in the ruck.

For transparency, in not saying we should only play 1 ruck this week due to the above.
I'm just saying your reasoning is incorrect.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Last post by LP -
It's like a broken record, if we win a flag with TDK and Pitto playing, they'll be telling us we would have won by more with only one!

BigH has consistently been our only effective forward in the last month or so, Charlie is in a rut, and the anti-ruck-duo brigade want BigH out of F50 and rucking when he doesn't really need to do so, even contemplating it momentarily is pure insanity!

"Nah, let's put BigH against Gawn, or perhaps next week he can follow Grundy around like a tagger, we shouldn't worry though because I'm sure Grundy will lead him into our F50 just to play fair." We can surrender the midfield clearance on the SCG, the ground that's one good kick from the midfield break to the goal square!

Of course, for the last 4 or 5 weeks our rucks and midfield have been flogged witless, no wonder we need to make change!
(Or would that be f0rk up the only lines we have that are consistently winning?)
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Last post by pinot -
Maybe Pitto was also the reason we lost three of four games.\Essendon looks better with only Goldstein and no Draper.

That goes with every team in the competition. If we want to be unique then sure - Cripps and Kennedy rucking against second string rucks was not ideal but need to utilise Harry more.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
Pittonet was a main reason why we beat Melbourne imho, he was aggressive with Gawn and had the Melb player frustrated and sooking with his mind off the job. Having two very different ruckman is an asset in the modern game and you only have to look at Essendon to see what a difference Goldstein has made in his pairing with Draper.
Being able to play Pittonet and TDK in a horses for courses fashion will be a key for us going forward and Grundy this week is another player who I think would be happy to see the more physical Pittonet out and would prefer to back his skills vs TDK's rather than have Pitto working him over and making it far from bruise free.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Sydney
Last post by pinot -
Quote from: DJC on
While getting smashed in the clearances, struggling to take a mark around the ground and having our key forwards double-teamed 🤔

TDK was winning clearances and tackles when he was solo ruck. (also taking marks around the ground and kicking goals) mids were slightly out of form first few rounds but our scoring from turn over was through the roof and that's pedal to the metal.