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Title: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on July 21, 2013, 06:30:22 PM
Australia are 1-0 down in the series and are facing not a world record chase, it'll be a universe record number of runs they need to win this second Test. However, the cracks that have appeared in this series, which will undoubtedly turn into gaping chasms by the time the team arrives back here for the return series, are not something that has just magically appeared. It is my strong belief that this has been coming for some time, its just that the pressure & microscope of an Ashes series has made them more visible than ever before.

Australian cricket, not dislike our fabulous football club, goes in cycles of success based on the quality of key players assembled at any given time. We have been giving the Poms some serious wallopings for some years on the back of having player like Warne, Waugh, McGrath & Gilchrist in the team.

If we take a look at the current team, only Michael Clarke is genuinely up to world standard although Ashton Agar has given us some future hope. Siddle & Pattinson are good bowlers, but not great, with both having some control issues and not knowing when & when not to be aggressive and in their face. Haddin is not a 'keepers bootlace yet if you ask anyone, they'll tell you he's the best of a bad bunch. Khawaja, Rogers, Cowan etc all have reasonable techniques but don't have the iron-clad mettle to build a long innings whilst Hughes is just a complete dud with an equally dud technique and footwork.

Basically, we have not been able to replace the gun players of the previous era (it is not something done with ease either) but the players we keep pinning our hopes on are too soft mentally or are too focussed on themselves, not the team (read : Watson).

We have recently seen the players have a hand in former coach Mickey Arthur being sacked with Watson's sooky-la-la attitude being central to it all. There is a culture within the playing ranks that is in complete contrast to that of yesteryear whereby the players did what was expected of them and didn't quibble about being pushed harder to achieve greater heights. They had genuine character and lived up to the standards that go with wearing the famous baggy green cap. 

It seems like this behaviour is not only tolerated, it is considered acceptable by many of them too !!

To add insult to injury, the ACB is being run by one James Sutherland who to the best of my knowledge, has not done anything ever to promote the game in this country nor focus on producing better cricketers overall. I say this because I keep getting the online newsletters telling us at grass roots level how well cricket is going in this country yet he is undoubtedly out of touch with reality. Cricket does not have increasing participation levels at all James, sadly, it is on the decrease and by a reasonable amount too. So instead of facing the reality of the situation and making plans to address it, they just put their heads in the sand and say its all good, great work if you can get it I reckon !!

And the ACB itself, it has some serious issues to address for this thing to be turned around and heading in the right direction. It appears to me that it is more and more being run along the lines of what you would get an your local and well-established suburban club with the only difference being that these guys actually get paid for giving their old school buddy a lucrative job or getting their best mate's son into the state squad.

They say the 'fish rots from the head' and if we look at the ACB as a complete entity, this one is past being rotten, it is decrepit. I cannot see any reason for us to return to being a power in world cricket whilst we have lacklustre administration running the game.

With India producing Test quality players as quickly as they do Bollywood movies, we will fall further behind unless we have the right people running the game in this country with a passion & committed drive for success.

Right now, we are fast becoming a national joke and an international embarrassment.         
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: age on July 21, 2013, 07:14:49 PM
Still in it.  Take some early ickets this morning and we are a chance.  :P
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on July 21, 2013, 07:22:37 PM
I'm talking about cricket in general, we are in a lot of trouble behind the scenes as well as out in the middle.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on July 21, 2013, 07:34:28 PM
The problem is, just like the 80's, development suffered on the back of a superb national team.

Plus, they gave Michael Clarke the captaincy 5 years ago and since then he's been waiting to get it from Punter officially, who was a crap skipper himself.

Clarke is the worst thing to happen to Oz cricket ever.

Clarke is a **** pure and simple and I don't mean a **** when he needs to be, like Alan Border, I mean just a **** every **** day of the week.

screw him, Watson and Haddin (all ****s) off and start again.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on July 21, 2013, 09:37:53 PM
Australia are 1-0 down in the series and are facing not a world record chase, it'll be a universe record number of runs they need to win this second Test. However, the cracks that have appeared in this series, which will undoubtedly turn into gaping chasms by the time the team arrives back here for the return series, are not something that has just magically appeared. It is my strong belief that this has been coming for some time, its just that the pressure & microscope of an Ashes series has made them more visible than ever before.

Australian cricket, not dislike our fabulous football club, goes in cycles of success based on the quality of key players assembled at any given time. We have been giving the Poms some serious wallopings for some years on the back of having player like Warne, Waugh, McGrath & Gilchrist in the team.

If we take a look at the current team, only Michael Clarke is genuinely up to world standard although Ashton Agar has given us some future hope. Siddle & Pattinson are good bowlers, but not great, with both having some control issues and not knowing when & when not to be aggressive and in their face. Haddin is not a 'keepers bootlace yet if you ask anyone, they'll tell you he's the best of a bad bunch. Khawaja, Rogers, Cowan etc all have reasonable techniques but don't have the iron-clad mettle to build a long innings whilst Hughes is just a complete dud with an equally dud technique and footwork.

Basically, we have not been able to replace the gun players of the previous era (it is not something done with ease either) but the players we keep pinning our hopes on are too soft mentally or are too focussed on themselves, not the team (read : Watson).

We have recently seen the players have a hand in former coach Mickey Arthur being sacked with Watson's sooky-la-la attitude being central to it all. There is a culture within the playing ranks that is in complete contrast to that of yesteryear whereby the players did what was expected of them and didn't quibble about being pushed harder to achieve greater heights. They had genuine character and lived up to the standards that go with wearing the famous baggy green cap. 

It seems like this behaviour is not only tolerated, it is considered acceptable by many of them too !!

To add insult to injury, the ACB is being run by one James Sutherland who to the best of my knowledge, has not done anything ever to promote the game in this country nor focus on producing better cricketers overall. I say this because I keep getting the online newsletters telling us at grass roots level how well cricket is going in this country yet he is undoubtedly out of touch with reality. Cricket does not have increasing participation levels at all James, sadly, it is on the decrease and by a reasonable amount too. So instead of facing the reality of the situation and making plans to address it, they just put their heads in the sand and say its all good, great work if you can get it I reckon !!

And the ACB itself, it has some serious issues to address for this thing to be turned around and heading in the right direction. It appears to me that it is more and more being run along the lines of what you would get an your local and well-established suburban club with the only difference being that these guys actually get paid for giving their old school buddy a lucrative job or getting their best mate's son into the state squad.

They say the 'fish rots from the head' and if we look at the ACB as a complete entity, this one is past being rotten, it is decrepit. I cannot see any reason for us to return to being a power in world cricket whilst we have lacklustre administration running the game.

With India producing Test quality players as quickly as they do Bollywood movies, we will fall further behind unless we have the right people running the game in this country with a passion & committed drive for success.

Right now, we are fast becoming a national joke and an international embarrassment.       

First thing I'd do is play a few from the A Team now in SA. In an extraordinary low scoring game Doolan made 52, Fawad Ahmed took 8 wickets and Cummins bowled very well. Admittedly against Zimbabwe but we have to start somewhere. The most important Ashes series is the return home series, where the the winner holds the Ashes for 3 years, so use this current series to blood some players.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on July 21, 2013, 09:41:12 PM
The problem is, just like the 80's, development suffered on the back of a superb national team.

Plus, they gave Michael Clarke the captaincy 5 years ago and since then he's been waiting to get it from Punter officially, who was a crap skipper himself.

Clarke is the worst thing to happen to Oz cricket ever.

Clarke is a **** pure and simple and I don't mean a **** when he needs to be, like Alan Border, I mean just a **** every **** day of the week.

screw him, Watson and Haddin (all ****s) off and start again.

You're kidding about Clarke. He's made you look silly quite a few times so I suggest you quit that one while your behind. Especially as he's averaging 52.

As I said, try some blokes from the A Team currently touring SA.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on July 21, 2013, 10:08:05 PM
The administration in this country has focussed on developing players who are best suited to playing 20/20 which does nothing for sustaining or improving a player's technique. Their mindset is all slather and whack because they think they only have 20-overs to bat, instead, they have five days which none of them have been able to completely grasp.

The administration is wrong, the selectors are wrong, the appointment of Clarke as captain was wrong at the time, the balls-up with Mickey Arthur ........... where does it stop ??

We are faced with years of rubbish like we are seeing in England right now because of the ineptness of the current people in control of the game in this country.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on July 21, 2013, 10:29:17 PM
The problem is, just like the 80's, development suffered on the back of a superb national team.

Plus, they gave Michael Clarke the captaincy 5 years ago and since then he's been waiting to get it from Punter officially, who was a crap skipper himself.

Clarke is the worst thing to happen to Oz cricket ever.

Clarke is a **** pure and simple and I don't mean a **** when he needs to be, like Alan Border, I mean just a **** every **** day of the week.

screw him, Watson and Haddin (all ****s) off and start again.

You're kidding about Clarke. He's made you look silly quite a few times so I suggest you quit that one while your behind. Especially as he's averaging 52.

As I said, try some blokes from the A Team currently touring SA.

Fine play the selfish tool until he fails but he's not a skippers crap hole.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 21, 2013, 10:37:12 PM
The administration in this country has focussed on developing players who are best suited to playing 20/20 which does nothing for sustaining or improving a player's technique. Their mindset is all slather and whack because they think they only have 20-overs to bat, instead, they have five days which none of them have been able to completely grasp.

The administration is wrong, the selectors are wrong, the appointment of Clarke as captain was wrong at the time, the balls-up with Mickey Arthur ........... where does it stop ??

We are faced with years of rubbish like we are seeing in England right now because of the ineptness of the current people in control of the game in this country.


Correct.....you look at Joe Root and he does all the basics right, the technique is good. Bell wont ever be thought of as a great of test cricket yet now has a decent record based on having good technique, when he comes in his bat looks a metre wide and we never look like getting him out.
20/20 cricket is park cricket and produces park cricketers with zero technique.....you watch Hughes bat and his stance is awkward, his back anglesd , never straight, good test bowlers work you out and he has been worked out.

Its fire fighting every series...players in and out of the team with no plan, we used to be the best but now South Africa lead the pack and we are getting beat by a B grade team in England...
Most of us knew that when we picked Haddin we were in trouble and you have to look at the 35 year old Chris Rogers and compare that with the baby faced Joe Root....where is the upside/future in Haddin and Rogers. Even Harris is a retro move, bowled well but isnt the future......

If Clarke plays then Watson has to go and so do any of his faction unless that want follow orders and back the skipper......you cant have unrest in the camp unless you have Bradman like players who can perform on the field even if they dont get on with each other off the field and Watson aint no Bradman.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on July 22, 2013, 08:43:54 AM
Clarke is good... once he gets a start, but he has always been a risky conveyance when batting.  That was his real issue before his golden run... lots of pretty 30's and not a lot of conversion into real scores.  When he fixed that issue, he became decent.

Agree with the above. Piss off Watson and all his mates, go back to ground zero with the batting and pick kids with technique.  There must be some around.  Joe Burns?    Nick Maddinson?

Adam Voges, although older, is another I'd look at for a cool head and a touch of experience, plus I'd be looking at Paine as well.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on July 22, 2013, 09:26:15 AM
Sack Sutherland.

This whole problem is a result of that weak c#%t bending over for the Indians.
Tell em to take their cash and shove it up their ass.

No more champions league trophy prior to a Test Series

Pick a 16 man squad for Test and one day cricket. Proper cricketers, not Glen Maxwell, X Doherty or Clint McKay. Guys who might become champions of the long game.

Fark off the BIG BASH crap.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on July 22, 2013, 09:58:11 AM
You cant have unrest in the camp unless you have Bradman like players who can perform on the field even if they dont get on with each other off the field and Watson aint no Bradman.

Watson is the Kevin Rudd of the Australian cricket team and must go. Time for the selectors to show some bloody teeth and get ruthless, no more pandering to selfish individuals who put themselves ahead of the team.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on July 22, 2013, 10:11:53 AM
Bird must be played...... bizarre that he wasn't for this Test.

Watson must be dropped - can't get rewarding the carpola he produces...... fly in another 19 YO IF THAT'S ALL WE'VE GOT....

Does Rogers get another go after that deplorable effort?

Way too many NSW guys in the team too. Smith? Meh?

Hughes - double meh.......Shaun Marsh is 6 times the player Hughes could ever be......

Voges? D. Hussey?

Mike Hussey saw the writing in the wall i reckon.

Is Clarke as Captain the problem?!!  ???
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on July 22, 2013, 11:52:42 AM
Bird must be played...... bizarre that he wasn't for this Test.

Watson must be dropped - can't get rewarding the carpola he produces...... fly in another 19 YO IF THAT'S ALL WE'VE GOT....

Does Rogers get another go after that deplorable effort?

Way too many NSW guys in the team too. Smith? Meh?

Hughes - double meh.......Shaun Marsh is 6 times the player Hughes could ever be......

Voges? D. Hussey?

Mike Hussey saw the writing in the wall i reckon.

Is Clarke as Captain the problem?!!  ???

Don't start me on the NSW thingy, despite the team problems they are not the only cause, they just started the stone rolling down a very slippery slope! And I won't even start on NSW Cricket's alleged links to the MCC manipulating player placement in County Cricket!

How to become a Australian Test player;

 - Be born, play or move to NSW.
 - Be a distant cousin, nephew or relative of a past NSW state or test player.
 - Hack 50 runs off 20 balls in some limited over rubbish on a back block in Mudgee or similar off the radar location.
 - Rip open the brown paper bag they delivered when your mum brought you home from hospital!

When Sheffield Shield Cricket died, Australian Test cricket became gravely ill!

Now we breed hacks courtesy of the big bash!

PS.  Further to my hack statement, the juniors I sometimes help to coach tell me that David Warner and Phil Hughes are "Classical Batsmen." That says something about where our national sport is heading!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on July 22, 2013, 03:32:16 PM
Have been talking this morning with friends about the parlous state of Australian cricket when one of them brought up two more incidents that I'd forgotten about.

The first was Mike Hussey's retirement and the party amongst the players that got hijacked by Clarke & Watson who wanted to go on Packer's boat. Hussey stated he didn't want a big fanfare, a few beers in the change-rooms with the lads would suffice. Packer offered his boat for the shindig so Clarke decides that it is a ACB sanctioned event that all players had to attend, however, some of them (including Hussey & Pattinson) refused to go.

What this event did was put a huge wedge in the playing group and unnecessarily divided it virtually permanently.

The other was the poor handling of Simon Katich and his selection in the team and then his unceremonious dumping etc. It was all woefully childish and smacked of 'jobs for the boys'.

Australian cricket needs a huge enema to cleanout the crap stuck in the middle of it.

Time to rebuild the actual playing squad from the ground up, be prepared to cop some beltings whilst the young guys perfect their craft and only then will we be back on par with the rest of the world leaders in the game.

     
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on July 23, 2013, 10:14:21 PM
Sack Sutherland.

This whole problem is a result of that weak c#%t bending over for the Indians.
Tell em to take their cash and shove it up their ass.

No more champions league trophy prior to a Test Series

Pick a 16 man squad for Test and one day cricket. Proper cricketers, not Glen Maxwell, X Doherty or Clint McKay. Guys who might become champions of the long game.

Fark off the BIG BASH crap.

If they (CA) are serious about getting back the Ashes, they would cancel the frigging OD series vs India that's been slotted in between the two series !......get ALL the players back in Australia & tell them they ALL MUST play every single shield game (at least 3-4)  before the 1st Test in Brisbane.......Test team to be picked on performances in these games.

You reckon that'll ever happen ?

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on July 23, 2013, 11:24:36 PM


If they (CA) are serious about getting back the Ashes, they would cancel the frigging OD series vs India that's been slotted in between the two series !......get ALL the players back in Australia & tell them they ALL MUST play every single shield game (at least 3-4)  before the 1st Test in Brisbane.......Test team to be picked on performances in these games.

You reckon that'll ever happen ?

How good would that be. For added effect they should play shield in convict threads!

Lets get back to basics.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 23, 2013, 11:27:25 PM
Sack Sutherland.

This whole problem is a result of that weak c#%t bending over for the Indians.
Tell em to take their cash and shove it up their ass.

No more champions league trophy prior to a Test Series

Pick a 16 man squad for Test and one day cricket. Proper cricketers, not Glen Maxwell, X Doherty or Clint McKay. Guys who might become champions of the long game.

Fark off the BIG BASH crap.

If they (CA) are serious about getting back the Ashes, they would cancel the frigging OD series vs India that's been slotted in between the two series !......get ALL the players back in Australia & tell them they ALL MUST play every single shield game (at least 3-4)  before the 1st Test in Brisbane.......Test team to be picked on performances in these games.

You reckon that'll ever happen ?


Good point.....but it wont happen...IPL and its spin offs have ruined test cricket...players like Chris Gayle started the rot by giving test cricket the finger and going for the money.
The only Aus player not really playing IPL has been Clarke and he has been the only Aus player to produce in recent years.....once you get bozo's like Glen Maxwell playing test cricket you know we have hit rock bottom.
IPL playing cricketers wouldnt be at the top of my selection list either, obviously you dont ignore the real champs like Steyn, Dhoni, Clarke, Cook, Smith etc who produce in all forms of cricket but I would be sending a message that bit part IPL players are not test cricketers and wont ever get picked in test squads..
An example would be Agar..if he decided to play IPL then I would be telling him you wont be playing for Australia....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on July 24, 2013, 06:33:55 PM
Bird must be played...... bizarre that he wasn't for this Test.

Watson must be dropped - can't get rewarding the carpola he produces...... fly in another 19 YO IF THAT'S ALL WE'VE GOT....

Does Rogers get another go after that deplorable effort?

Way too many NSW guys in the team too. Smith? Meh?

Hughes - double meh.......Shaun Marsh is 6 times the player Hughes could ever be......

Voges? D. Hussey?

Mike Hussey saw the writing in the wall i reckon.

Is Clarke as Captain the problem?!!  ???

Unfortunately Watson is our leading run scorer amongst the top 6 right now and he bowls too. That's not saying anything though as he's averaging 27 for the series. Not necessarily disagreeing but our choices are that bad. At least he half looks like it out there...until he gets his front pad out too far, plays across the line and is LBW. Needs to fix that big time.

Rogers. I think if he gets a score will  be on  his way. 

As I said in  the other thread, get Klinger out of County cricket and Doolan over from South Africa and bat then 3 and 4. Blokes that will put their heads down. Get Fawad and Cummins over from South Africa too, the latter replacing Pattinson. Bat Warner at 6 and hope (being the operative word) he can change a game like Gilchrist sometimes.

Again, as I said on the other thread, we miss Hussey like you wouldn't believe. We're realising now how much he covered the @rse of the batting line up. Often he and Clarke turned 3/40 into 500 with strong resistance from the tail. Now it gets to 6 and just collapses until a 10th wicket stand bails us out.

Maybe try this 12...

Watson
Rogers
Klinger
Doolan
Clarke
Warner
Haddin/Wade
Siddle
Harris
Fawad
Bird
Cummins

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on July 24, 2013, 06:56:58 PM
The problem CA now has is the selectors have got well and truly behind this group, but have now changed coach.

Don't forget the big part of Mickey Arthurs accepting the job was he was going to be a selector and I suspect his assessment of the players, their strengths and weaknesses and what they can do to improve, went a long way selecting this touring party.


Now we have Boof, he might have a completely different assessment of the same group of players but he has (quite rightly IMO) publicly backed the 18 we have in England.

But really, what choice did he have? Two weeks out from the biggest series in cricket, he can't start questioning these guys ability without the whole house of cards falling down.

it's a fine line. I would love to see the kids given a shot and 3 full tests to cement their spot, but is the best method to put the acid on the top 6 and basically say "it doesn't matter who you are, what your contract status, how many soft drinks your face sell, make runs or you are gone".

Do we play nice with our young kids or just become bloody ruthless with the squad we have and keep being ruthless until someone stands up.?

Tricky.



Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 24, 2013, 10:27:40 PM
Rogers is 35 and too old......we need to develop a younger opener who has a sound technique and thats not Warner or Hughes either.
Jordan Silk is a player who I would develop like England have done with Joe Root, good fielder as well......troublemakers like Warner, Watson etc would be finished at test level if it was me coaching/selecting and it would a few years of pain developing a young team but what we have at the moment is a fire fighting band aid approach that wont ever deliver long term sustained success.

I actually think Khawaja and Silk might be a decent opening combo....the former has a sound technique but doesnt have enough shots for me to bat at No 3 and can get bogged down but has the ability to grind and apply himself .

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on July 25, 2013, 12:12:45 PM
I too would go with Silk and Maddinson as a start. Time for a complete re-build. Others in the frame include Doolan and Burns for top 6 batting spots with either Wade or my preferred option Paine as the keeper for the Aus summer. Cant include Shaun Marsh until he does more IMO. Id like bats who can field preferably too, particularly those that can cathc in the slips and gully would be at the top of my list.

Those to go for me would be - Haddin, Rogers, Hughes, Warner, Watson and Cowan.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Amers on July 25, 2013, 07:53:16 PM
 ::)
Sack Sutherland.

This whole problem is a result of that weak c#%t bending over for the Indians.
Tell em to take their cash and shove it up their ass.

No more champions league trophy prior to a Test Series

Pick a 16 man squad for Test and one day cricket. Proper cricketers, not Glen Maxwell, X Doherty or Clint McKay. Guys who might become champions of the long game.

Fark off the BIG BASH crap.

If they (CA) are serious about getting back the Ashes, they would cancel the frigging OD series vs India that's been slotted in between the two series !......get ALL the players back in Australia & tell them they ALL MUST play every single shield game (at least 3-4)  before the 1st Test in Brisbane.......Test team to be picked on performances in these games.

You reckon that'll ever happen ?



Ah, you're a funny man Mal, do you really think that CA would really use that much common sense?!!   ::) ;)

As they say, common sense isn't common any more......
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: tex on July 25, 2013, 07:57:20 PM
ffs its a business not a sport.
India has the coin. You think CA care about making champions?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on October 17, 2013, 10:56:28 AM
R.I.P
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Zed on October 17, 2013, 11:10:02 AM
Wow.  How did we lose that? 

Takes me back to our brilliant efforts in snatching defeat from the jaws of victory in both our games against the cheating Scum this year.  Well done CA!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on October 17, 2013, 02:59:48 PM
Ponting has annointed Steve Smith as the next test captain.........the cupboard is officially bare in terms of captaincy options.... :o
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Zed on October 17, 2013, 03:05:58 PM
In that case, I'll put my hand up for it. Can't bat, pretty poor bowler too but good in the field... and willing to have a crack at Lara Bingle.  Do I get the job?  >:D
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on October 17, 2013, 03:24:46 PM
... and willing to have a crack at Lara Bingle.

There are soooooo many puns and innuendos that go with this statement that I dare not start them!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on October 17, 2013, 03:27:49 PM
In that case, I'll put my hand up for it. Can't bat, pretty poor bowler too but good in the field... and willing to have a crack at Lara Bingle.  Do I get the job?  >:D

Zed ...You were going alright until you mentioned Lara Bingle.....the ACB are actually hoping to appoint someone who hasnt had a crack at Lara Bingle and so far have failed to receive an application... ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on October 17, 2013, 04:26:17 PM
Ponting has annointed Steve Smith as the next test captain.........the cupboard is officially bare in terms of captaincy options.... :o

Smith would probably make a great skipper, but I worry about his technique.

Footwork non-existent against the quicks and plays a good foot and a half too far away from his body and gets worse the better he's hitting them.

A lot of eye players do this and then, when their form leaves them, they don't have the technique to battle back.

He needs to see some tape of early S Waugh and early D Martin compared to the latter stages of their career to see the changes they made, it's the only tape he'll need to watch.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on October 17, 2013, 04:50:45 PM
Australian crickets downhill slide started with the Steve Waugh captaincy.  Waugh, as good a cricketer as he was, was an ordinary captain and was basically allowed to pick his own side in a era full of serious talent, without any regard whatsoever to the future.

We are stuck recycling the left overs with blokes like Johnston and Haddin, when they should have been sorted out long ago and in themselves we should see blokes helping build the next generation of players not blocking their progress.

Further players like Smith, Warner and  Hughes were anointed before they could even hold a bat. Technically they are closer to hacks than batsmen, and it shows in their highly variable output which is the nicest way I can put it! No other argument is required and no valid defense can be made except it is the way it is.

Australian cricket will not start it rebuild until the ACB breaks the stranglehold NSW Cricket with it's MCC connections have over Australia's 1st class cricketers. That collaboration has become a boat anchor stalling our progress, and now the Indian BCC chips away at the foundations by turning every promising opposition test player into an ax wielding maniac, while they pay their own superstars to limit their exposure to the short forms of the game.

In the meantime more and more talented but disillusioned young cricketers leave the sport. After years of success and promise at junior levels they see no hope in penetrating the nepotistic system that controls Australian cricket and ruins careers.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on October 17, 2013, 04:53:57 PM
Ponting has annointed Steve Smith as the next test captain.........the cupboard is officially bare in terms of captaincy options.... :o

Smith would probably make a great skipper, but I worry about his technique.

Footwork non-existent against the quicks and plays a good foot and a half too far away from his body and gets worse the better he's hitting them.

A lot of eye players do this and then, when their form leaves them, they don't have the technique to battle back.

He needs to see some tape of early S Waugh and early D Martin compared to the latter stages of their career to see the changes they made, it's the only tape he'll need to watch.

I dont regard him as a fixture in the team and as you suggest he has little technique and IMO is a slogger who has to get lucky to make runs....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Baggers on October 17, 2013, 05:19:46 PM
It was interesting that before the run-chase Border and his buddies hinted that on their own dung heap and with nothing to lose these blokes were a real chance.

There is a certain softness with our blokes which is going to take Boof a while to turn around. Can't think of a better bloke to do it, though.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on October 17, 2013, 08:37:00 PM
Australian crickets downhill slide started with the Steve Waugh captaincy.  Waugh, as good a cricketer as he was, was an ordinary captain and was basically allowed to pick his own side in a era full of serious talent, without any regard whatsoever to the future.

We are stuck recycling the left overs with blokes like Johnston and Haddin, when they should have been sorted out long ago and in themselves we should see blokes helping build the next generation of players not blocking their progress.

Further players like Smith, Warner and  Hughes were anointed before they could even hold a bat. Technically they are closer to hacks than batsmen, and it shows in their highly variable output which is the nicest way I can put it! No other argument is required and no valid defense can be made except it is the way it is.

Australian cricket will not start it rebuild until the ACB breaks the stranglehold NSW Cricket with it's MCC connections have over Australia's 1st class cricketers. That collaboration has become a boat anchor stalling our progress, and now the Indian BCC chips away at the foundations by turning every promising opposition test player into an ax wielding maniac, while they pay their own superstars to limit their exposure to the short forms of the game.

In the meantime more and more talented but disillusioned young cricketers leave the sport. After years of success and promise at junior levels they see no hope in penetrating the nepotistic system that controls Australian cricket and ruins careers.


 I blame John Buchanan...he was endorsed by Waugh because he would do what he was told and be a yes man to everything Tugga wanted including picking his mates and continuing the NSW mafia led dominance of team selection. We ended up with this inner circle of players who controlled the game, sure we had success but it has cost us down the track with the boys club legacy living on.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Baggers on October 17, 2013, 08:44:52 PM
Australian crickets downhill slide started with the Steve Waugh captaincy.  Waugh, as good a cricketer as he was, was an ordinary captain and was basically allowed to pick his own side in a era full of serious talent, without any regard whatsoever to the future.

We are stuck recycling the left overs with blokes like Johnston and Haddin, when they should have been sorted out long ago and in themselves we should see blokes helping build the next generation of players not blocking their progress.

Further players like Smith, Warner and  Hughes were anointed before they could even hold a bat. Technically they are closer to hacks than batsmen, and it shows in their highly variable output which is the nicest way I can put it! No other argument is required and no valid defense can be made except it is the way it is.

Australian cricket will not start it rebuild until the ACB breaks the stranglehold NSW Cricket with it's MCC connections have over Australia's 1st class cricketers. That collaboration has become a boat anchor stalling our progress, and now the Indian BCC chips away at the foundations by turning every promising opposition test player into an ax wielding maniac, while they pay their own superstars to limit their exposure to the short forms of the game.

In the meantime more and more talented but disillusioned young cricketers leave the sport. After years of success and promise at junior levels they see no hope in penetrating the nepotistic system that controls Australian cricket and ruins careers.


 I blame John Buchanan...he was endorsed by Waugh because he would do what he was told and be a yes man to everything Tugga wanted including picking his mates and continuing the NSW mafia led dominance of team selection. We ended up with this inner circle of players who controlled the game, sure we had success but it has cost us down the track with the boys club legacy living on.

Sound familiar?  >:D
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: raven on October 18, 2013, 12:11:52 PM
Ponting has annointed Steve Smith as the next test captain.........the cupboard is officially bare in terms of captaincy options.... :o

More likely Bailey to debut soon as captain in his first test. And yes I am serious. And no I am not happy writing this.

And yes we are in an appalling state re: cricket.

Batsmen are only averaging mid 30's at state level, you can't expect any better at test level.

Our era of mediocrity.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on October 18, 2013, 01:29:57 PM
I blame John Buchanan...he was endorsed by Waugh because he would do what he was told and be a yes man to everything Tugga wanted including picking his mates and continuing the NSW mafia led dominance of team selection. We ended up with this inner circle of players who controlled the game, sure we had success but it has cost us down the track with the boys club legacy living on.

You are probably right EB1, no doubt Waugh alone could not have been a problem without some administrative bungling.

Buchanan's heavily biased statistical approach identifies good form but it also exposes a problem. If all you care about is the stats, and you spend all day looking at them, you can miss the cliff you are approaching!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Phillipwh on October 18, 2013, 07:21:10 PM
My comment on Australian Cricket is
NO COMMENT
They neglect Shield Cricket which develops the class,
and waste our time with overseas players and overpaid players in pyjama game
I won't take an interest this year
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on October 18, 2013, 08:05:58 PM
My comment on Australian Cricket is
NO COMMENT
They neglect Shield Cricket which develops the class,
and waste our time with overseas players and overpaid players in pyjama game
I won't take an interest this year

It's very obvious to me - Sutherland is a Vlad clone - chase the coin, ignore the grass roots.....

And take plenty of coin personally whilst at it....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 06, 2013, 10:11:59 PM
According to Mark Taylor we should be thinking about Moises Henriques as our next skipper......be nice if Moises could actually get in the test team first and Tubby needs to think about Aus cricket not centering around NSW...

Nice of Warnie to fire up Alistair Cook as well.....well done Warnie...just stick to figuring out which phone to use and which one to hide from Liz and stop coaching from the commentary box.....Cook is boring but he a boring winner and your mate Clarkie needs to get a bit more boring and start winning some tests.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on November 06, 2013, 10:32:01 PM
According to Mark Taylor we should be thinking about Moises Henriques as our next skipper......be nice if Moises could actually get in the test team first and Tubby needs to think about Aus cricket not centering around NSW...

Nice of Warnie to fire up Alistair Cook as well.....well done Warnie...just stick to figuring out which phone to use and which one to hide from Liz and stop coaching from the commentary box.....Cook is boring but he a boring winner and your mate Clarkie needs to get a bit more boring and start winning some tests.

He is dull but the Pommy MO is to bat long and slow and reduce the chance of losses.

If we don't win at the Gabba we can forget the urn.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Gozza on November 06, 2013, 11:38:02 PM
MARVELLOUSHHHHHHHHHHHH
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: raven on November 07, 2013, 02:26:25 PM
Our Aus A bowlers are doing a brilliant job of starving the poms middle order of runs.   >:D

Adelaide Oval's new big screen TV's work, just walked past on my lunch walk and they are being tested. The footbridge has a LONG way to go though, anticipating a partial completion for use during the test here, then closed again till its totally finished.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Stock on November 15, 2013, 09:17:55 PM
Our Aus A bowlers are doing a brilliant job of starving the poms middle order of runs.   >:D

Adelaide Oval's new big screen TV's work, just walked past on my lunch walk and they are being tested. The footbridge has a LONG way to go though, anticipating a partial completion for use during the test here, then closed again till its totally finished.
Leave the bridge as is but open in up anyway :)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Gozza on November 15, 2013, 09:31:52 PM
MARVELLOUSHHHHHHHHHHHH

I don't remember posting this.  ;D 20 to 12 at night too....  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 15, 2013, 11:27:04 PM
Mitchell Johnson needs to perform...he has been hyped up this series bigtime as the destroyer and every Aus player interviewed has him as the messiah.
You just start worrying when teams start talking themselves up..its usually because they dont have the form or skillset to match the opposition and try and use the mental approach to get some sort of edge. Problem is England are not biting and have hardly said a word in anger so far and are just quietly going about their business.

Had to laugh at an article in the Sun where Jimmy Anderson and Michael Clarke has some run in years ago ...Anderson reckons Clarke was being an arrogant knob at some player gathering so he grabbed a batting pad and preceeded to whack Clarke with it....... ???......think I would have grabbed something solid like my bat and returned service to Jimmy who seems an arrogant individual who has got way ahead of himself in terms of where he sit in terms of great Engliish Bowlers...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 21, 2013, 01:07:51 PM
Watson out in the last over prior to lunch.  Looks like the this series is going to continue exactly where the last one left off. 

On another note... over rates.... umpires needs to have a chat to Cook and tell him to get on with it.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Zed on November 21, 2013, 01:52:21 PM
And Clarke gone for 1  :o   Ho hum...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 21, 2013, 02:20:00 PM
Warner gone.

4 for 92!

ouch.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 21, 2013, 02:26:14 PM
Some terrible batting from Australia - Warner and the bimbo Watson in particular.....

Watson simply is not a Test batsman.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 21, 2013, 02:27:56 PM
Bailey gone - another unnecessary poke at a ball outside off....

5 for 100.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Tribey72 on November 21, 2013, 02:30:35 PM
Going well isn't it...

They used to have depth...now they talk about depths.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Tribey72 on November 21, 2013, 02:32:28 PM
By the way, it'll be interesting to see if Haddin can put his hand up here.

He's usually responded to tough circumstances by trying to drive at outswingers on the up.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 21, 2013, 02:34:03 PM
By the way, it'll be interesting to see if Haddin can put his hand up here.

He's usually responded to tough circumstances by trying to drive at outswingers on the up.

Or pull deliveries that are three feet outside the off stump......
I'm picking Siddle to make some runs....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 21, 2013, 02:41:37 PM
Bailey gone - another unnecessary poke at a ball outside off....

5 for 100.

Bailey is our version of Mike Brearley.....good captain material but wont hold his place in the team as a batsman....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: age on November 21, 2013, 03:39:06 PM
Can't beleive it as come to this.  Duds. 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Dominator_7 on November 21, 2013, 04:34:30 PM
Its funny how our  national teams in Cricket and Soccer have mirrored each other.
Both relied on the 'same olds' for way too long, and are now paying a heavy price for that.
The same people who the Aussie cricket team treated with arrogance and distain when at the top of the hill, are the same people who are absolutely reveling in our misfortunes now that we re at the bottom. That's why it hurts so much for the Aussies. They ve got the 'but I was the Prom Queen' syndrome.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 21, 2013, 05:34:53 PM
Two of the whipping boys have knuckled down and put on a good partnership.  They need to stick around and put on at least another 100.

The controlled aggression from both Haddin and Johnson looks to be the way to go against the Poms' attack.

Edit: Johnson didn't go on with it but a 50 is a 50.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 21, 2013, 09:45:55 PM
Yep, crisis is the best word for it.  May as well pick a pair of openers, a keeper and 8 bowlers and try to chase small(er) totals.

Clarke not fit and clearly so.  If his back is so bad how long can he continue?

Can't believe that Watson still remains an automatic selection.  Based upon what.... potential?  Concentration wobbled prior to lunch and the manner and timing of his dismissal was woeful.

The poms will make 600 in this pitch, if it doesn't rain we could be down 350 runs with two days to go on a turning deck...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 21, 2013, 10:27:21 PM
Yep, crisis is the best word for it.  May as well pick a pair of openers, a keeper and 8 bowlers and try to chase small(er) totals.

Clarke not fit and clearly so.  If his back is so bad how long can he continue?

Can't believe that Watson still remains an automatic selection.  Based upon what.... potential?  Concentration wobbled prior to lunch and the manner and timing of his dismissal was woeful.

The poms will make 600 in this pitch, if it doesn't rain we could be down 350 runs with two days to go on a turning deck...


Clarke cant play short pitched bowling......plays like a tail ender and fends off rather than getting inside or swaying out of line.....sore back or not he has to overcome the fear of getting hit or he will continue to be bounced by every test playing nation that has a decent pace attack.
Its was bodyline stuff......

Haddin and Johnson had the advantage of facing Swann and went after him which was good cricket.....we are still in the game and runs on the board is worth something in terms of pressure.
Carberry is new, Root is inexperienced and KP is lacking match practice.....I can see Cook and Bell holding us up but I think we can knock them over for 250.......need to win this test.....their batters will improve with game time and I think Bresnan will really add to their team when he comes back from injury..

I think we will win this test.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 21, 2013, 10:30:24 PM
EB... Broad got MJ with a Jaffa but the rest looked like batting suicide or plain old rank shot selection.  Can't see the poms doing that and the chances of us taking 20 wickets on this decks are remote IMO.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 22, 2013, 08:35:55 AM
EB... Broad got MJ with a Jaffa but the rest looked like batting suicide or plain old rank shot selection.  Can't see the poms doing that and the chances of us taking 20 wickets on this decks are remote IMO.

I wouldn't even have callled the Clarke one a jaffa just very badly played...... i can't fathom what happens in the heads of our so called batsmen - not much apparently!

I would be chopping Watson pronto and trying anyone else - S. Marsh, Khawaja, Doolan.

Watson is a LIABILITY.

Will he bowl? i doubt it.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on November 22, 2013, 10:09:06 AM
Watson simply is not a Test batsman.

How long have I been saying this ??
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 22, 2013, 12:28:44 PM
Watson simply is not a Test batsman.

How long have I been saying this ??

Forget Watson in isolation, our team is not a test team and there in lies the difference!

We pick blokes who play 20/20 well for NSW, England's team is full our dour test cricketers who are prepared to toil for a result and they pick the best regardless of which county they come from!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 22, 2013, 03:32:38 PM
Watson simply is not a Test batsman.

How long have I been saying this ??

Forget Watson in isolation, our team is not a test team and there in lies the difference!

We pick blokes who play 20/20 well for NSW, England's team is full our dour test cricketers who are prepared to toil for a result and they pick the best regardless of which county they come from!

who's bitchin' now.

NOT ME.

eNGLAND 7 FOR 91.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 22, 2013, 03:41:37 PM
who's bitchin' now.

NOT ME.

eNGLAND 7 FOR 91.

You pulled the trigger so early Flyboy, you've pulled it off!

Lets wait and see the wash up at the end of the last test before we create heros from a 2hr session.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 22, 2013, 04:05:02 PM
The poms will make 600 in this pitch, if it doesn't rain we could be down 350 runs with two days to go on a turning deck...
They'll have to bat well in their second dig Prof . . . who'd have thought 8 for at tea  :o

I think it shows that the Poms' batting is as brittle as ours.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: age on November 22, 2013, 04:08:55 PM
Bet Aussies stuff this up.   They have made a habit of it lately,, getting into good positions to win match only to lose.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 22, 2013, 04:35:13 PM
Steady on, there's still plenty of time to choke and fail to not get the chocolates.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 22, 2013, 04:51:37 PM
Finally, a good result but lets see what happens in the 2nd.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 22, 2013, 05:48:01 PM
Like I said..we will win this test......I'm expecting Harris or Johnson to break down though and reckon the Poms will win a test ot two and the series will be drawn.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on November 22, 2013, 07:40:15 PM
Is any channel showing edited highlights.

In the English series both Fox and 9 had a two hour program but I can't find and FTA or Fox saying they are.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 22, 2013, 08:37:07 PM
I think the weather forecast is diabolical so this could end in a draw.  Not sure why they play tests in Brisbane at this time of year.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on November 22, 2013, 09:07:37 PM
How did we go from getting our arses spanked to spanking the Poms big time ? The pitch didn't really look that special that it would be hard to bat on for some runs. ;D
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Stock on November 22, 2013, 09:20:25 PM
I think the weather forecast is diabolical so this could end in a draw.  Not sure why they play tests in Brisbane at this time of year.
Every time we are on top the bloody weather saves the poms
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on November 23, 2013, 01:14:50 AM
The scoreline is great but we have had a total 'day out' in the field today, every time we got into a position like this over in England someone saved their hide or the weather got them off the hook.

Still to many sub-standard players in our line-up for me to get excited, big third day in store though.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on November 23, 2013, 09:32:56 AM
I think the weather forecast is diabolical so this could end in a draw.  Not sure why they play tests in Brisbane at this time of year.
Every time we are on top the bloody weather saves the poms

There are 9 sessions left in this game. Hopefully rain only take 2 or three of them.

Monday looks clear so we still should win.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 23, 2013, 10:44:34 AM
EB... Broad got MJ with a Jaffa but the rest looked like batting suicide or plain old rank shot selection.  Can't see the poms doing that and the chances of us taking 20 wickets on this decks are remote IMO.

I wouldn't even have callled the Clarke one a jaffa just very badly played...... i can't fathom what happens in the heads of our so called batsmen - not much apparently!

I would be chopping Watson pronto and trying anyone else - S. Marsh, Khawaja, Doolan.

Watson is a LIABILITY.

Will he bowl? i doubt it.

Won't be dropping our leading run scorer in England in a hurry.  Especially one who can bowl. Won't be replacing him with previous failures like Marsh and Khawaja. Watson at least gets a start, those two  don't even get that. Until you find a replacement, of which there are none, then he stays. Basically it tells us where our batting depth is at present in domestic  cricket.

Doolan looks good but prefer him in ahead of Bailey at no.4 so Clarke can go back to  5.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 23, 2013, 11:38:17 AM
EB... Broad got MJ with a Jaffa but the rest looked like batting suicide or plain old rank shot selection.  Can't see the poms doing that and the chances of us taking 20 wickets on this decks are remote IMO.

I wouldn't even have callled the Clarke one a jaffa just very badly played...... i can't fathom what happens in the heads of our so called batsmen - not much apparently!

I would be chopping Watson pronto and trying anyone else - S. Marsh, Khawaja, Doolan.

Watson is a LIABILITY.

Will he bowl? i doubt it.

Won't be dropping our leading run scorer in England in a hurry.  Especially one who can bowl. Won't be replacing him with previous failures like Marsh and Khawaja. Watson at least gets a start, those two  don't even get that. Until you find a replacement, of which there are none, then he stays. Basically it tells us where our batting depth is at present in domestic  cricket.

Doolan looks good but prefer him in ahead of Bailey at no.4 so Clarke can go back to  5.

take out the big score in the dead test and....

oh, he's failed again!!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: deags on November 23, 2013, 10:23:22 PM
We find ourselves in a great position, but the batting scorecard, once again, looks pretty woeful from the top order, save for the 2 centuries.

On Watson... He shouldn't be playing at the moment.
He is not good enough to be in there purely as a batsman, and he can't bowl atm due to fitness issues. Doubtful they will change the side if a win does eventuate, but I wouldn't mind seeing Hughes come back in for Watson.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 23, 2013, 10:28:47 PM
S. Marsh 127 n.o. today against the Vics!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on November 23, 2013, 11:11:23 PM
On Watson... He shouldn't be playing at the moment.

He shouldn't be playing ever again !!

Lack of consistency, lack of application, pea-heart and a sook.

Are we forgetting what happened recently in India ?? He's not a team player, it's all about him and bugger the rest.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on November 23, 2013, 11:24:00 PM
On Watson... He shouldn't be playing at the moment.

He shouldn't be playing ever again !!

Lack of consistency, lack of application, pea-heart and a sook.

Are we forgetting what happened recently in India ?? He's not a team player, it's all about him and bugger the rest.

Once apon a time he was. That was then. Now he isn't and hasn't been for a while. I just see him as dead weight. That is just me though.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 23, 2013, 11:24:27 PM
On Watson... He shouldn't be playing at the moment.

He shouldn't be playing ever again !!

Lack of consistency, lack of application, pea-heart and a sook.

Are we forgetting what happened recently in India ?? He's not a team player, it's all about him and bugger the rest.

Agreed, Watson is simply bad on so many levels.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on November 23, 2013, 11:45:55 PM
On Watson... He shouldn't be playing at the moment.

He shouldn't be playing ever again !!

Lack of consistency, lack of application, pea-heart and a sook.

Are we forgetting what happened recently in India ?? He's not a team player, it's all about him and bugger the rest.
Once apon a time he was. That was then. Now he isn't and hasn't been for a while. I just see him as dead weight. That is just me though.


He was always dead-weight and grossly over-rated, it's just taken a while for people to realise this fact.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: deags on November 24, 2013, 12:50:44 AM
I am no fan of Watson, but I am even less of a fan of Warner, but he made me eat my hat today. Probably why I was a little reserved in my comments re Watson.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 24, 2013, 09:14:39 AM
I am no fan of Watson, but I am even less of a fan of Warner, but he made me eat my hat today. Probably why I was a little reserved in my comments re Watson.

Warner batted well but he continues to be a knob off the field with his comments about Trott being scared etc....one way to play a bloke back into form is to challenge/sledge him in the media and Warner should be told to shut up by the teams management and let things roll along the way they are while the going is good.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 24, 2013, 10:44:23 AM
I am no fan of Watson, but I am even less of a fan of Warner, but he made me eat my hat today. Probably why I was a little reserved in my comments re Watson.

If anyone has made anyone eat their hat today, it should have been Clarke.

Good to see him do well but don't flagellate yourself too soon, something tells me he has more than a few feet remaining to stick in his mouth yet! Which leads me to EB1s comment,

Warner batted well but he continues to be a knob off the field with his comments about Trott being scared etc....one way to play a bloke back into form is to challenge/sledge him in the media and Warner should be told to shut up by the teams management and let things roll along the way they are while the going is good.

This bloke is a team destruction time bomb, one half decent innings and he is back preaching to the world like he is Garfield Sobers. What is more the NSW mafia were all over Bailey last night praising Warner's fielding and claiming he was robbed of a runout by Bailey's ineptitude. Yet it is not clear even if the bail remained in place that Cook would have been out, but the GTV9 NSW mafia tried their best to prove it on national TV. In effect they happily used Bailey's potential blunder to pump up Warner's tyres even further, I would not be surprised to find Warner believing the media and confronting Bailey in the rooms after play!

We have not even won a game yet and "they" are working hard to snatch all the glory, which will certainly derail the whole long term process. Although I don't see these first few days as an improvement, more of an aberration.

There are many tests to come!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on November 24, 2013, 11:37:23 AM
Warner gets a hundred and all of a sudden is the doyen of all cricket knowledge ....... FFS !!

Just watch the next Test, don't be expecting back-to-back tons, it won't happen, he'll fail again but everyone will be saying "he got a century in the first Test".

His form line is like a roller-coaster ride, one really good big score following by a lot of coughs and splutters, then another really good score followed by a lot of coughs and splutters.

He is way too inconsistent for me as well as being a 'heart in the mouth' type of player because he approaches every innings like it is a 20/20 slogfest.

All this crap about being a changed man because he has found love with his new squeeze Candace is a furphy too. She is a sports groupie who has been pegged by anyone with a professional contract apart from Cameron Ling. The newspapers up here a few years ago reported that she got zotted by rugby player Sonny-Boy Williams in the toilets of a Sydney nightclub, sounds like a classy woman to me. No doubt this relationship will end in tears and prove beyond doubt that Warner's impatience & poor shot selection isn't just confined to just the playing arena.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Knighter on November 24, 2013, 12:19:57 PM
Happy to see Warner do well. Has the talent just needs to stay focused. The sooner we get rid of Watson the better. His record is poor and is not a top order batsmen at Test level. Prefer to see Doolan at 3. If so, hopefully Faulkner will get the chance to play as a genuine all rounder at 6. Has the talent and that bit of mongrel to be a success.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on November 24, 2013, 12:28:21 PM
Warner gets a hundred and all of a sudden is the doyen of all cricket knowledge ....... FFS !!

Just watch the next Test, don't be expecting back-to-back tons, it won't happen, he'll fail again but everyone will be saying "he got a century in the first Test".

His form line is like a roller-coaster ride, one really good big score following by a lot of coughs and splutters, then another really good score followed by a lot of coughs and splutters.

He is way too inconsistent for me as well as being a 'heart in the mouth' type of player because he approaches every innings like it is a 20/20 slogfest.

All this crap about being a changed man because he has found love with his new squeeze Candace is a furphy too. She is a sports groupie who has been pegged by anyone with a professional contract apart from Cameron Ling. The newspapers up here a few years ago reported that she got zotted by rugby player Sonny-Boy Williams in the toilets of a Sydney nightclub, sounds like a classy woman to me. No doubt this relationship will end in tears and prove beyond doubt that Warner's impatience & poor shot selection isn't just confined to just the playing arena.

Putting Falzon to one side for a moment , his innings was quite responsible and his footwork to the spinners was particularly good.

Having said that, I agree he's a goose and could just as easily throw his innings away. TBH I reckon he's the kind of guy who gets worse when he's seeing them like watermelons because he plays to many shots.

My main concern is Smith. He's an eye player, footwork is appalling against quality pace. Yes, he'll make scores here and there, but he's suspect and unreliable.

Back to Falzon, she's ok looking I suppose. Apparently Warners lost 8 kegs since being with her so maybe she is a positive influence. She is (was?) a professional athlete in her own right.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 24, 2013, 02:26:43 PM
Warner gets a hundred and all of a sudden is the doyen of all cricket knowledge ....... FFS !!

Just watch the next Test, don't be expecting back-to-back tons, it won't happen, he'll fail again but everyone will be saying "he got a century in the first Test".

His form line is like a roller-coaster ride, one really good big score following by a lot of coughs and splutters, then another really good score followed by a lot of coughs and splutters.

He is way too inconsistent for me as well as being a 'heart in the mouth' type of player because he approaches every innings like it is a 20/20 slogfest.

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Having said that, I agree he's a goose and could just as easily throw his innings away. TBH I reckon he's the kind of guy who gets worse when he's seeing them like watermelons because he plays to many shots.

My main concern is Smith. He's an eye player, footwork is appalling against quality pace. Yes, he'll make scores here and there, but he's suspect and unreliable.

Smith, Warner and Hughes.

See the connection, NSW 20/20 hacks masquerading as test players.

As Sheik mentioned they swing the axe and get one good innings every 5 or 10 and the GTV 9 media pump them up like Bradman.

In reality there are a hundred state level and regional players who show just as much skill as that trio but haven't been given the opportunity! FFS, Smith was recruited as a leg spinner to replace Warne and gave it away to chase the big dollars in the IPL as a batsmen!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on November 24, 2013, 04:54:19 PM
It's a procession after the rain, they've lost 4/9.

Poms have no backbone or preparedness to show some fight.

Imagine how'd we go if we had 11 Test standard players in the team.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Woodstock on November 24, 2013, 06:27:25 PM
It's a procession after the rain, they've lost 4/9.

Poms have no backbone or preparedness to show some fight.

Imagine how'd we go if we had 11 Test standard players in the team.

Lol, curb that Aussie sporting arrogance for now mate ;D

They've been the better test side for a couple of years for a reason.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on November 24, 2013, 06:49:06 PM
It's a procession after the rain, they've lost 4/9.

Poms have no backbone or preparedness to show some fight.

Imagine how'd we go if we had 11 Test standard players in the team.

Lol, curb that Aussie sporting arrogance for now mate ;D

They've been the better test side for a couple of years for a reason.

I agree but what better way to shove it to those smug poms who thought it'd be a 5 zip walk in the park.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on November 24, 2013, 10:14:41 PM
Kev Pietersen & Ian Bell only contributed 81 runs between them in the two innings of this Test. During the Ashes series in England, they averaged 101.24 between them.

There's a saving of 120 runs right there !!

Graeme Swann in the recent Ashes series in England : 26/755 @ 29.44, the First Test here : 2/215 @ 107.5

Great move to target him, paid big dividends !!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: deags on November 24, 2013, 10:34:46 PM
Swan = overrated.

Australia have made him look good in the past with poor batting.
Even talk this afternoon as to whether England should drop him in favour of Monty for the Adelaide test. That's probably a bridge too far, but FFS I hope we don't give this guy a break with the usual poor shot selection and lack of patience we have been exhibiting over the last couple of years.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 24, 2013, 10:59:05 PM
Swan = overrated.

Australia have made him look good in the past with poor batting.
Even talk this afternoon as to whether England should drop him in favour of Monty for the Adelaide test. That's probably a bridge too far, but FFS I hope we don't give this guy a break with the usual poor shot selection and lack of patience we have been exhibiting over the last couple of years.

Its all about our bowling IMO......our batting is still ordinary and was propped up by the allround efforts of Johnson.....while the latter and Harris have England on the hop with the ball we will continue to dominate but if one of those two get injured or in Johnson's case go back to bowling garbage then England will be back in the contest.

Both Swann and Anderson struggle on Aus wickets where there is little movement and its bowlers like Harris, Johnson and Broad who bend their back get results..... I remain unconvinced about Clarke vs the short pitched stuff as well......he batted in the 2nd dig when the wicket was dead and Broad couldnt get any lift out of the wicket...it wasnt like it was great batting from Clarke IMO, he still looks nervous just like Trott.
There is a youtube video of Clarke vs Steyn and the latter roughing him up with the short ball and Clarke doesnt handle it well at all, he is a bunny vs the bouncer and will continue to be bounced........I'd be dropping myself down to five and getting Doolan in the team...

Hope that wicket in Adelaide is juiced up for our quicks so we can get amongst the Poms again while they have some self doubts..........
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: deags on November 25, 2013, 12:24:04 AM
Brand new drop in pitch, so I can imagine it will be green on the first couple of days and then break up pretty badly day 4 and 5.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Sexybronco on November 25, 2013, 12:31:52 AM
Brand new drop in pitch, so I can imagine it will be green on the first couple of days and then break up pretty badly day 4 and 5.

They've come a long way from the early days with drop in pitches, it will be interesting to see if they can maintain the characteristics of the old Adelaide oval pitches which we're a batsmen's paradise. England will be praying they can as they have a proven top six, we would love some bounce as it plays into the ands of our bowlers.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 25, 2013, 08:24:13 AM
Brand new drop in pitch, so I can imagine it will be green on the first couple of days and then break up pretty badly day 4 and 5.

They've come a long way from the early days with drop in pitches, it will be interesting to see if they can maintain the characteristics of the old Adelaide oval pitches which we're a batsmen's paradise. England will be praying they can as they have a proven top six, we would love some bounce as it plays into the ands of our bowlers.

Gabba pitch was just about perfect......heaven forbid if the softc0cks at the AFL try to put pressure on them to chuck in a drop-in pitch.  You will never get the sort of brillant cricket wicket that Kevin Mitchell produced with a drop-in.  AFL players just need to HTFU.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 25, 2013, 09:08:39 AM
Any squealing about doctored pitches?  Sounded like a good test wicket with something in it for everyone.

Hardest fought 4 day win I've seen in a long time, let's just not carried away with things; we won, we're exiited, let's be gracious in victory and well prepared for next week.  It only takes one bad hour to undo all the good work.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: deags on November 25, 2013, 09:57:19 AM
One of my main criticisms (criticisms in the softest of terms, I don't really like doctored pitches) of Australian cricket over the years is that we have never truly embraced the idea of pitches being prepared to suit our strengths. Each state seems to have a style of pitch and that is how the pitch is prepared year in and year out... Woebetied anyone try and tell any of our groundsmen how to prepare a pitch.
Australia is the last nation that could be accused of doctoring pitches.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: townsendcalling on November 25, 2013, 05:41:56 PM
Michael Clarke fined 25% for telling Anderson he was going to have his #%^•ing arm broken!!

What are we getting to....any race, colour, religion or creed abuse in it?

This is pathetic! Every cricketer in every grade is now on notice, if this is the bar that has been set.  Grow up cricket, even the women sledge harder than that!!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Stock on November 25, 2013, 07:36:26 PM
Gee that sledging must have got to Trott.
Gone home with stress related injuries !
( unless of course there's an existing type mental condition we/ I don't know of )
I wonder if Warner knew ?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on November 25, 2013, 08:10:29 PM
Michael Clarke fined 25% for telling Anderson he was going to have his #%^•ing arm broken!!

What are we getting to....any race, colour, religion or creed abuse in it?

This is pathetic! Every cricketer in every grade is now on notice, if this is the bar that has been set.  Grow up cricket, even the women sledge harder than that!!

Its is getting soft. Do they consider it is a threat on the players well being. Heard it on the news today.
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Post by: Juddkreuzer on November 25, 2013, 08:21:34 PM
If Mitch had broken his arm he wouldn't have copped $hit, but on this occasions words are more dangerous. Mad. :o
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 25, 2013, 08:37:51 PM
Gee that sledging must have got to Trott.
Gone home with stress related injuries !
( unless of course there's an existing type mental condition we/ I don't know of )
I wonder if Warner knew ?

Dont have a problem with Clarke vs Anderson with what was said...the Englishman is a well known sledger and needler and has to expect to get it back....fining Clarke was pathetic.

Warner vs Trott however I do have a problem...its not like Trott is a sledger or stirrer(hello KP) and what he said was degrading to question Trotts courage considering his record vs Trott's and I have the feeling now Trott has gone home that Warner is going to need ear muffs when he bats because he will cop plenty...and its a shame because he has been batting well and had no need to say anything.

Love the Johnson approach...let the ball do the talking and keep your thoughts to yourself......
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on November 25, 2013, 09:11:42 PM
The words are being delivered by Warner's mouth but they are coming direct from the Aus team, he's not doing this on his own.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 25, 2013, 09:24:07 PM
The words are being delivered by Warner's mouth but they are coming direct from the Aus team, he's not doing this on his own.

exactly.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on November 25, 2013, 09:29:16 PM
The words are being delivered by Warner's mouth but they are coming direct from the Aus team, he's not doing this on his own.

exactly.

That part reflects on the captain and his attitude towards the English players. You expect tension with international competitions. Merv put a funny spin on it this afternoon stating he said worse than what he has heard with our current players. He also said the players now would never get away with how the players were years ago. I guess there need to be some boundaries, but it isn't chess they are playing. Having said that I saw a chess game on the internet that broke out into a full on brawl once. :o
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on November 25, 2013, 09:44:24 PM
The words are being delivered by Warner's mouth but they are coming direct from the Aus team, he's not doing this on his own.

exactly.

That part reflects on the captain and his attitude towards the English players. You expect tension with international competitions. Merv put a funny spin on it this afternoon stating he said worse than what he has heard with our current players. He also said the players now would never get away with how the players were years ago. I guess there need to be some boundaries, but it isn't chess they are playing. Having said that I saw a chess game on the internet that broke out into a full on brawl once. :o

I'd be looking more at BOOF and Rod Marsh.

Marsh would have known a lot of these guys at the English Cricket Academy which he set up.

BOOF isn't that long out of the game and he was a very smart cricketer late in his career and a massive stirrer.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on November 25, 2013, 11:13:49 PM
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-11-25/jonathan-trott-returns-home-from-ashes-series-due-to-stress/5115796?section=sport

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England batsman Jonathan Trott has returned home from the Ashes series and will not play cricket "for the foreseeable future" due to a "stress-related illness".

The South Africa-born number three has been targeted relentlessly after displaying a vulnerability to short bowling in the recent series in England.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: deags on November 25, 2013, 11:19:42 PM
It's never nice to hear something like that, and I hope he does ok. I don't particularly like the type of comment Warner made but England have done similar with Clark and the short ball, and there are numerous examples of similar in the past.
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Post by: LordLucifer on November 25, 2013, 11:20:37 PM
You'll enjoy this :

http://www.cricket.com.au/video/Mitch-Johnsons-thunderbolts
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on November 26, 2013, 12:24:33 AM
You'll enjoy this :

http://www.cricket.com.au/video/Mitch-Johnsons-thunderbolts

Enjoyed that.

Thanks!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on November 26, 2013, 09:22:31 AM
You'll enjoy this :

http://www.cricket.com.au/video/Mitch-Johnsons-thunderbolts

Love it!!

Imagine if we still had Lee bowling in tandem. Scary stuff indeed.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: nathbear on November 26, 2013, 10:02:35 AM
Man, sledging is just part of cricket. A great part of cricket. A part that all of us enjoy whether we want to play it 'PC' or not!

It's always aimed just to rattle the opposition psychologically, and most real men can have a laugh and a drink with the blokes they were just sledging almost as soon as they walk off the field.

I once told a batsman that he looked like he'd just eaten half his team mates while I was fielding at short leg. Next ball was short and he pulled it straight at my head. I ducked it, laughed, then bet him 20 cheeseburgers that he couldn't do that again. He tried, got wrapped on the pads, and was given LBW.

He bought me a beer after the game, and I actually did buy him a pie haha.

Another time I was batting and facing the association leading wicket taker. There was a horribly ugly woman berating her children on some play equipment nearby. He bowled me a ripping outswinger that I played and missed at but only just. He made a comment about my lack of footwork (pretty fair, really, it was awful!) to which I replied 'Mate, I'll take care of my footwork when you go take care of your missus' and pointed over to the play equipment. Even his team mates gave him crap over that one, but the next ball was straight at my head again (which was fine, that's cricket!).

Once again, we shared a beer and a laugh after the game.

People need to stop being so damned precious! It's ruining sport, it's ruining cricket, it's making it impossible to be Australian!

Build a bridge! (just don't burn it down, you silly poms!)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 26, 2013, 10:27:10 AM
Man, sledging is just part of cricket. A great part of cricket. A part that all of us enjoy whether we want to play it 'PC' or not!

It's always aimed just to rattle the opposition psychologically, and most real men can have a laugh and a drink with the blokes they were just sledging almost as soon as they walk off the field.

I once told a batsman that he looked like he'd just eaten half his team mates while I was fielding at short leg. Next ball was short and he pulled it straight at my head. I ducked it, laughed, then bet him 20 cheeseburgers that he couldn't do that again. He tried, got wrapped on the pads, and was given LBW.

He bought me a beer after the game, and I actually did buy him a pie haha.

Another time I was batting and facing the association leading wicket taker. There was a horribly ugly woman berating her children on some play equipment nearby. He bowled me a ripping outswinger that I played and missed at but only just. He made a comment about my lack of footwork (pretty fair, really, it was awful!) to which I replied 'Mate, I'll take care of my footwork when you go take care of your missus' and pointed over to the play equipment. Even his team mates gave him crap over that one, but the next ball was straight at my head again (which was fine, that's cricket!).

Once again, we shared a beer and a laugh after the game.

People need to stop being so damned precious! It's ruining sport, it's ruining cricket, it's making it impossible to be Australian!

Build a bridge! (just don't burn it down, you silly poms!)

hey Nathbear, yeah I agree that sledging is part of cricket, but unfortunately the last season I played, it was not clever or funny sledging that made up most of it. It was just abuse. I'd had a few years off & decided to play one last season before family comittments meant that dedicating most of my weekend to cricket was not possible......& I couldn't believe in the time I'd been out of the game, the increase in the amount of verbals...and mostly coming from the young guys (late teens) playing in the higher grades.  The worst thing about this was that after the game, all these kids either jump in their cars, or get their Mummy or Daddy to pick them up & p!ssed off stright after the match......none of them stick around for a beer with the oppo anymore & therefore there's no opportunity to have a laugh about on-field stuff & consequently you have no respect for them next time you play them.

This is the main problem with cricket in Australia, particularly at the higher grade level.  There's very few of the older guys sticking around club cricket anymore teaching the young blokes how to play & how to behave on field & off. 

I still miss playing like you wouldn't believe....but I don't miss the moronic, witless cr@p than seems to go with it now.

cheers

Mal.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 26, 2013, 11:08:23 AM
Sledging if its clever and witty is ok but you dont know how some players will react on and off the field...had a incident in a sub district 2nds  game I was playing where things were said and one of the parties challenged the other to repeat it off the field.....it ended up in a fist fight in the car park with a few players involved. The aggrieved player wouldnt let it go either and on the return match wanted another piece of our player and after contact on the pitch and more push and shove we decided our bloke had best go home a bit early to avoid more car park stoushes.



Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 26, 2013, 11:15:47 AM
Firstly, on the sledging side of things. I've never been a big fan of it, usually the act of players who are out of his depth trying to find some way to drag opponents down. I've always viewed it as a compliment, once they start the sledging you know you have the better of them!

I'd rather let the bat or ball do my talking.

On the pace bowling side of things, some of the current blokes mouthing off need to be sent back in time to face the West Indies or Lillee and Thompson. Most modern bowlers are so over-rated because the majority of batsmen that they are bowling to are not much more than 20/20 hacks. If they were bowling to Viv Richards, Clive Lloyd or Doug Walters they would be ducking balls being driven at their head! Can you imagine Richards using a modern bat, FFS it would be homicide????
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on November 26, 2013, 11:21:03 AM
From Wiki

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There is debate in the cricketing world as to whether this constitutes poor sportsmanship or good-humoured banter. Sledging is often mistaken for abuse, and whilst comments aimed as sledges do sometimes cross the line into personal abuse, this is not usually the case. Sledging is usually simply an often humorous, sometimes insulting attempt at distraction.

Even in Clarke's case I don't think it constitutes personal abuse. Definitely lacks wit and is a poor image to the kids who hold him in regard as Captain of Australia. Clarkes fine should have been more along the lines of inappropriate behaviour that brings disrepute to the position of Captain of the Australian cricket side.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on November 26, 2013, 11:38:40 AM
I used to open the batting, one day i've played a rather unorthodox shot off the opening bowler, absolutely nailed it and deposited him for 6 over midwicket. The next ball he has dug it in, i've lost sight of it and he has pinged one into my helmet. That was the end of the over and i started to wander down the pitch to have a chat to my partner, the bowler was hanging around giving me the evil eye. I've gone with "what's the matter sook, haven't you been hit for 6 before?", to which he replied "not by someone as sh1t as you!". Had to pay that!







Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on November 26, 2013, 12:35:56 PM
I've been in three fights as an adult (not counting work).

Two of them were playing cricket.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Gozza on November 26, 2013, 12:50:57 PM
I've been in three fights as an adult (not counting work).

Two of them were playing cricket.

I've been in heaps of punch ups.  ;D Most of them were after 11 at night.  ;D
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on November 26, 2013, 01:08:27 PM
I've been in three fights as an adult (not counting work).

Two of them were playing cricket.

I'd say that any physical contact in cricket is crossing a major line.  But on the other hand, if your sister is smashing you all over the backyard...
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Post by: nathbear on November 26, 2013, 02:49:09 PM
Haha I've been chased around by a guy who pulled a stump out of the ground and had to intervene when an opposition player attacked another guy on my team, but other than those two incidents I haven't been involved in serious violence on a cricket field.

The latter incident involved the leading run scorer in the association attacking the captain of my team, it ended up at the tribunal at Cricket Queensland and the player in question was suspended for a year, with the captain of his team copping 3 matches and a couple other players on their team being suspended also. I think one of ours copped a suspended sentence, but that was it. They ended up pulling out of the finals, which gave us a bye in the first round due to forfeit and we went on the win an A-Grade Grand Final in a canter.

Sledging will always hold a dear place in my heart :P
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: c4e on November 26, 2013, 03:29:23 PM
I guess the Auzzie cricketers haven't had an opportunity in recent times to sledge. I mean what's the point of sledging when your team is copping a flogging. Just makes you look like a bigger dick
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 26, 2013, 04:53:06 PM
Haha I've been chased around by a guy who pulled a stump out of the ground and had to intervene when an opposition player attacked another guy on my team, but other than those two incidents I haven't been involved in serious violence on a cricket field.
So are you and Fatprick Smith still friends?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on November 26, 2013, 08:30:24 PM
I've been in three fights as an adult (not counting work).

Two of them were playing cricket.

I'd say that any physical contact in cricket is crossing a major line.  But on the other hand, if your sister is smashing you all over the backyard...

She played a mean cover drive but no wasn't her.

They were both the result of a few seasons of really close and spiteful games.

Not sure why but the animosity was deep and wide. Funny thing is all these years later I quite like most of them and we laugh about the "almost" brawls, I think we all recognize we were being stupid.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 05, 2013, 02:47:25 PM
Warner's failure today highlights the reasons behind my opinion that he is a goose who is not suited to test match cricket!  ::)

On this pitch, with a bit of good weather, there might be very few dismissals!

If Roger's can get settled he might bat through the match!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on December 05, 2013, 03:19:28 PM
Warner's failure today highlights the reasons behind my opinion that he is a goose who is not suited to test match cricket!  ::)

On this pitch, with a bit of good weather, there might be very few dismissals!

If Roger's get settled he might bat through the match!

Agreed LP, Warner is not a Test player, ditto the bimbo (Watson) for that matter.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 05, 2013, 04:21:20 PM
Warner's failure today highlights the reasons behind my opinion that he is a goose who is not suited to test match cricket!  ::)

On this pitch, with a bit of good weather, there might be very few dismissals!

If Roger's get settled he might bat through the match!

Agreed LP, Warner is not a Test player, ditto the bimbo (Watson) for that matter.

On another forum I was having an argument about Warner and Watson. Some jerk was trying to tell me Warner was OK using Watson's dismissal as a relative measure. But I had to argue comparing one nuffa with another only makes a double nuffa.
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Post by: Professer E on December 05, 2013, 04:27:18 PM
More evidence today that Watson has a concentration issue... so often gets out after batting for two hours... or just after making a milestone.  Simply doesn't go on with the job and that's the difference between 250 all out and 400.

Don't get me started on Smith.  Batsmen who get out in the last over before breaks should be dropped.  Idiotic stuff.

If Clarke isn't batting at stumps I'd be worried, very worried.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Baggers on December 05, 2013, 04:27:27 PM
Our batting really is average, at best. Clarke is about the only legitimate test batsman. Everyone else seems brittle.

If Johnson has an average match we might be in strife... on a good batting wicket, as Adelaide just about always is.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 05, 2013, 04:30:32 PM
Our batting woud have to improve to be average... it is simply awful. 

Our recent record in Adelaide is woeful because we can't bat for the required long periods and we can't take wickets there.

Par is 400+ here, otherwise we are in more trouble than the early settlers.
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Post by: Mantis on December 05, 2013, 08:36:42 PM
Watched some of the game today and was surprised at how even the pitch is. Nothing really for the bowlers to work with. Watch most players get a start and then go when they should be pounding on the runs to score a century. I thought Warne had a simple answer to the batting. Concentrate. Take a few overs to settle in and then concentrate on what you are doing. Warner, lazy stroke, Watson falling asleep and I won't even touch the others.
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Post by: laj on December 06, 2013, 02:53:47 PM
Nice to see a good general batting contribution this innings. 4 half centuries (one still unbeaten), a century, Warner got a start and looked good at least. Smith's been the only failure. Just looked worse yesterday with the two half century makers going out in  consecutive overs, and Smith going out not long after.
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Post by: DJC on December 06, 2013, 07:26:09 PM
I think that a lot of credit for the team's improved performance has to go to Boof.

He seems to have disposed of the sports science approach to the game and is hammering the requirement to play aggressively.  The players are sticking to the game plan and, for the most part, they seem to be benefiting from Boof's approach to the game.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 06, 2013, 08:27:56 PM
Clarke and Haddin did well to get the Aussie score right up there. It just looked at one stage as though every player would get a start but no go on with the job. Mind you the Poms didn't help themselves one bit. Dropped Clarke early and dropped Haddin a few times. not to mention to have Haddin caught behind on a "No Ball". They couldn't buy a wicket at one stage. Not sure if the Australian team has improved as much as the English players have been quite pathetic over the last 2 days. probably as bad as I have seen them for quite some time. Better we teach them how to hold catches over the next few days. ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 06, 2013, 10:32:19 PM
Clarke and Haddin did well to get the Aussie score right up there. It just looked at one stage as though every player would get a start but no go on with the job. Mind you the Poms didn't help themselves one bit. Dropped Clarke early and dropped Haddin a few times. not to mention to have Haddin caught behind on a "No Ball". They couldn't buy a wicket at one stage. Not sure if the Australian team has improved as much as the English players have been quite pathetic over the last 2 days. probably as bad as I have seen them for quite some time. Better we teach them how to hold catches over the next few days. ;)

Maybe I'm being too generous Mantis but I reckon the aggressive cricket from our boys is largely responsible for the Poms' errors.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 07, 2013, 09:30:01 PM
DJC, I completely agree with you. In fact Shane Warne has commented a few times how passive the Poms have looked in this test. No aggressive field setting and playing to defend the boundaries. Not setting fields to take wickets. Little risk equals little rewards. The Aussies have been pro-active rather than reactive and their intimidation with verbal sprays has had an impact on the mentality of the Englishmen. 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on December 07, 2013, 10:07:56 PM
I think that a lot of credit for the team's improved performance has to go to Boof.

Undoubtedly. Boof has got them playing as a team that has a steely determination to earn the respect of the cricket world. I think it comes down to his no bull$hit approach and his ability to connect as one of the boys. His appointment couldn't have been more timely.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Raydan on December 08, 2013, 08:02:24 AM
I have a renewed interest in cricket, and it's not just cause we're on top at the moment, it's the way the team is playing. Honest, aggressive, give it all cricket that I've grown up with.

I love Mitch Johnson's stare at Anderson after the wicket, he didn't have to say anything. In that stare so many unsaid words were spoken; I'm better than you, you can't handle me, bowl that crap to me and I'll put it back over your head.......

England don't have the luxury of doctored pitches that allow Swann to rip through the team, they don't have the luxury of of the Duke ball that swings 20-30cms, but more importantly we are playing like winners and like a TEAM!

The old adage that catches win matches shines though again. Compare the Bailey juggle to Carberry's one the difference is that Pietersen has to go and Haddin goes on to make a century. Compare Roots drop of a hard and low chance off Clarke to Warners catch of a full blooded pull off Carberry. That right there could be the game in those two balls.

The you look at the spearheads Anderson who looks limp compared to Johnson. With no swing Anderson is just a line and length bowler with no real tricks. Johnson can swing the ball too but with no swing, he's gone back to old school bowling soften them up with a few then maybe a wild one wide or a ball with some heat straight down the line and let the pitch do the work for you.

Boof and Billy have got this team purring and I'm looking forward to the South Africa tour in February to see if this can be maintained. We have got some serious holes with Rogers, Watson, Smith and Bailey. I'd really like to see Faulkner in there at 6 but he needs to improve his batting, there are young bats about that need to make the next step and quickly 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on December 08, 2013, 09:02:49 AM
I'd be much happier if Watson weren't in the team.

Overrated flatters this guy...... big time.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on December 08, 2013, 10:23:03 AM
5-0 to the Aussies... Poms won't last 3 days in Perth.

They don't look like they have any plan to Johnson, I don't think they were expecting Good Mitch to turn up (neither was I!). Our bowling is our strength, we still have 3 good young quicks in the wings that can be fed into the team over time.

England will be regretting the back-to-back series... Bresnan injured, Trott mentally exhausted... has really swung the balance of the two teams.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 08, 2013, 07:58:10 PM
Bit too much Mitch Johnson at the end and he got sucked in by some reverse sledging from  Broad who seemed to wind him up after each delivery.
Maybe its a new tactic....batsman sledging bowlers....
Also new boy in Stokes decided he would shoulder Johnson and I thought that looked like he meant it rather than accidental...Stokes is a NZ boy with a rugby dad and maybe thinks he can adopt that stuff on the cricket field but he should get a warning IMO...its not a good look for the game and with all the chat at the end I thought the umpies should have stopped it and issued warnings to both teams to play cricket and forget about having the last word.
Thought Siddle should have got more overs and done more of the monkey work and Johnson used more sparingly but kept fresher so he bowled at full pace with more venom.....

Should wrap up the game before lunch tomorrow providing rain doesnt intervene.....I would have let Warner get a century and then declare....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 08, 2013, 08:34:22 PM
Letting Warner get a century was a no brainer. Makes his CV look better. ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Gozza on December 09, 2013, 10:09:06 AM
Who the hell does Mitchell Johnson think he is? With a bit of luck, one of the poms smacks the self-righteous sh1thead in the mouth to shut him up.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on December 09, 2013, 10:22:41 AM
http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR641.loop.shtml#skip (http://www.bom.gov.au/products/IDR641.loop.shtml#skip)

bit wet over there.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Baggers on December 09, 2013, 10:29:19 AM
Watson seems to be the obvious weakest link in this side, with Smith close behind.

Must have been a tough decision to declare thus denying Warner the chance at a century. But I see the strength in such a decision - team before individual. Well done, Boof.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 09, 2013, 10:57:03 AM
Who the hell does Mitchell Johnson think he is? With a bit of luck, one of the poms smacks the self-righteous sh1thead in the mouth to shut him up.

The media have hyped him up as the enforcer and he seems to be wanting to live up to the hype and has got a bit carried away gobbing off at batsman.
I prefer the eye contact only  and walk back to the bowling mark Johnson, when he gets tangled up with players like Broad and Stokes his bowling suffers and
if was Clarke I woud have taken him off and settled him down.
Its a bit of an ugly look for the game as well with all the mouthing off and posturing going on.....smart sledging is fine but we have a got a bit of the ugly Australian happening and it wouldnt surprise me to see a bit of push and shove between some of the players if it keeps happening.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 09, 2013, 11:05:50 AM
I think Smith is much better value when he bowls and the wicket assists his bowling. He needs to bowl more because he is an ordinary middle order batsmen at best.

I think we have too many Calypso types, Warner, Watson, Smith,  and Haddin are all just as likely to make zero as they are to make a hundred. When they do well it pays off, but when they don't it is a write off, they are often an all or nothing bet. It can be good to watch, good for TV, but it is not good cricket.

I have always thought cricket is mostly about staying in the game until the end, at which time a bloke like Johnston can do something extraordinary that gets you across the line. This is the Poms problem at the moment, they have lost control of the game way too early!

We need at least one more rock solid batsmen, a grinder, who is more than likely to make 50 rather then not.

On the Mitchell Johnson issue, I love it, it reminds me of Lillee years ago. You need a bit of attitude out there on the field. This is the way cricket has been played since the year dot, and the politically correct goody two-shoes can go and get ferked!  >:(
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on December 09, 2013, 12:31:13 PM
Who the hell does Mitchell Johnson think he is? With a bit of luck, one of the poms smacks the self-righteous sh1thead in the mouth to shut him up.

The media have hyped him up as the enforcer and he seems to be wanting to live up to the hype and has got a bit carried away gobbing off at batsman.
I prefer the eye contact only  and walk back to the bowling mark Johnson, when he gets tangled up with players like Broad and Stokes his bowling suffers and
if was Clarke I woud have taken him off and settled him down.
Its a bit of an ugly look for the game as well with all the mouthing off and posturing going on.....smart sledging is fine but we have a got a bit of the ugly Australian happening and it wouldnt surprise me to see a bit of push and shove between some of the players if it keeps happening.

Bugger' em, get into them. Poms have displayed mental weakness, rub it in. We've copped it big time from them so give it back in spades while they're down
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on December 09, 2013, 12:34:48 PM
Who the hell does Mitchell Johnson think he is? With a bit of luck, one of the poms smacks the self-righteous sh1thead in the mouth to shut him up.

You're obviously a whinging Pom. We know who Mitchell Johnson, the one with 17 wickets and sticking it up the Poms both physically and verbally. Who wouldn't enjoy that unless you were a Pom.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on December 09, 2013, 12:38:46 PM
I'd be much happier if Watson weren't in the team.

Overrated flatters this guy...... big time.

With 68, 176 and 51 in  3 of his last 4 Tests, a couple of wickets too, not to mention  leading run scorer in England, he's not going anywhere for a short while at least. and who are you going to replace  him with. No good  wanting someone out because you don't like them unless you can replace them . 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Gozza on December 09, 2013, 12:42:43 PM
Who the hell does Mitchell Johnson think he is? With a bit of luck, one of the poms smacks the self-righteous sh1thead in the mouth to shut him up.

You're obviously a whinging Pom. We know who Mitchell Johnson, the one with 17 wickets and sticking it up the Poms both physically and verbally. Who wouldn't enjoy that unless you were a Pom.

I'm not a pom....but I think a little humility wouldn't go astray. All part of being a sportsman. You've got to win well and lose well. Johnson's carrying on like a farkwit.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 09, 2013, 12:52:46 PM
I'm not a pom....but I think a little humility wouldn't go astray. All part of being a sportsman. You've got to win well and lose well. Johnson's carrying on like a farkwit.

I think after being the major focus of the England pressure all Johnson is doing is letting them know what goes around comes around! Having said that, I am always an advocate in sport of the old,

"When you get to the top of the tree act like you have been there before and that you are confident you know how to get there again!"
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on December 09, 2013, 12:55:29 PM
I'd be much happier if Watson weren't in the team.

Overrated flatters this guy...... big time.

With 68, 176 and 51 in  3 of his last 4 Tests, a couple of wickets too, not to mention  leading run scorer in England, he's not going anywhere for a short while at least. and who are you going to replace  him with. No good  wanting someone out because you don't like them unless you can replace them .

Watson scored 418 runs at 41.8 (10 innings) in England.

Remove the 176 in the 'dead' Test, when the heat was off and the English more interested in night clubs and pitch pissing....

242 in 9 innings - average 26.9 = NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

This Series?

79 runs in 4 digs. Average 19.75.

NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

QED.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on December 09, 2013, 01:36:09 PM
Who the hell does Mitchell Johnson think he is? With a bit of luck, one of the poms smacks the self-righteous sh1thead in the mouth to shut him up.

You're obviously a whinging Pom. We know who Mitchell Johnson, the one with 17 wickets and sticking it up the Poms both physically and verbally. Who wouldn't enjoy that unless you were a Pom.

I'm not a pom....but I think a little humility wouldn't go astray. All part of being a sportsman. You've got to win well and lose well. Johnson's carrying on like a farkwit.

Johnson has been ridiculed by the English players since he came into the Australian side.
Anderson in particular bagged him mercilessly when he was struggling.

Well, it's come full circle and now those smug pommy ****s can go eat Mitchell's moustachioed d1ck.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on December 09, 2013, 02:02:10 PM
I'd be much happier if Watson weren't in the team.

Overrated flatters this guy...... big time.

With 68, 176 and 51 in  3 of his last 4 Tests, a couple of wickets too, not to mention  leading run scorer in England, he's not going anywhere for a short while at least. and who are you going to replace  him with. No good  wanting someone out because you don't like them unless you can replace them .

Watson scored 418 runs at 41.8 (10 innings) in England.

Remove the 176 in the 'dead' Test, when the heat was off and the English more interested in night clubs and pitch pissing....

242 in 9 innings - average 26.9 = NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

This Series?

79 runs in 4 digs. Average 19.75.

NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

QED.

Whilst I agree his form doesn't warrant selection, I think Lehman has a different philosophy and he will be given time to gain form. Winning momentum will help his cause as Lehman continues to build a united team.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on December 09, 2013, 11:13:18 PM
Put simply, I cannot wait for Perth!!

A dusty wicket with Johnson, Siddle and Harris. Carnage awaits.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 09, 2013, 11:19:52 PM
Who the hell does Mitchell Johnson think he is? With a bit of luck, one of the poms smacks the self-righteous sh1thead in the mouth to shut him up.

You're obviously a whinging Pom. We know who Mitchell Johnson, the one with 17 wickets and sticking it up the Poms both physically and verbally. Who wouldn't enjoy that unless you were a Pom.

I'm not a pom....but I think a little humility wouldn't go astray. All part of being a sportsman. You've got to win well and lose well. Johnson's carrying on like a farkwit.

Johnson has been ridiculed by the English players since he came into the Australian side.
Anderson in particular bagged him mercilessly when he was struggling.

Well, it's come full circle and now those smug pommy ****s can go eat Mitchell's moustachioed d1ck.


Agree...Anderson deserves what he gets, a real smart arse with a big mouth who has to expect it back in spades with interest attached....I can understand Clarke paying out on him too..
Like I said though I think Johnson is a better bowler without his mouth doing part of the work and I like to see him just give the odd glare without getting too carried away and losing focus.
His bowling drops off when he gets sucked in......thought he needed to re focus vs Root  instead of overdoing the sledging and he let Stokes and Broad suck him in and started bowling rubbish.

We can wrap this series up in Perth and it as good to see Lehmann with eye on the big prize and telling the team to enjoy the win but get ready for the next test.
Good work by Clarke today bowling Harris and Siddle rather than over doing Johnson and letting him get his mind right for Perth.....

Wonder if the Poms will go for 4 quicks and Stokes in Perth or stick with Swann who looks like he has lost interest....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: jeza on December 10, 2013, 08:30:01 AM
This journo should have this article framed:
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/australias-ashes-confidence-doesnt-stack-up-20131120-2xtxc.html

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: HaroldBishop on January 20, 2014, 01:31:52 PM
Bailey gone, rightly so.

Marsh's Shield record is putrid, I have no idea how he gets a spot. I'm no Hughes fan but if they're picking on form he should be there ahead of Marsh.

I'd like to now see Watson move to 6 and give Doolan a chance at 3.

David Warner, Chris Rogers, Shane Watson, Michael Clarke (c), Steve Smith, Shaun Marsh, Alex Doolan, Brad Haddin (vc), Mitchell Johnson, Ryan Harris, Peter Siddle, Nathan Lyon, James Faulkner, Jackson Bird, James Pattinson.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 20, 2014, 01:45:59 PM
Bailey gone, rightly so.

Marsh's Shield record is putrid, I have no idea how he gets a spot. I'm no Hughes fan but if they're picking on form he should be there ahead of Marsh.

I'd like to now see Watson move to 6 and give Doolan a chance at 3.

David Warner, Chris Rogers, Shane Watson, Michael Clarke (c), Steve Smith, Shaun Marsh, Alex Doolan, Brad Haddin (vc), Mitchell Johnson, Ryan Harris, Peter Siddle, Nathan Lyon, James Faulkner, Jackson Bird, James Pattinson.

Agree on Marsh, no fan of Hughes but he does have some form in South Africa with a couple of centuries early in his test career, may have something to do with Doolan being out of form at the minute and Marsh is some insurance for the No 3 spot.
Not sure Pattinson has earned his spot either but is getting a tour based on his extra pace and potential....Coulter-Nile is very unlucky IMO not to be touring.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: nathbear on January 20, 2014, 01:53:51 PM
Bailey gone, rightly so.

Marsh's Shield record is putrid, I have no idea how he gets a spot. I'm no Hughes fan but if they're picking on form he should be there ahead of Marsh.

I'd like to now see Watson move to 6 and give Doolan a chance at 3.

David Warner, Chris Rogers, Shane Watson, Michael Clarke (c), Steve Smith, Shaun Marsh, Alex Doolan, Brad Haddin (vc), Mitchell Johnson, Ryan Harris, Peter Siddle, Nathan Lyon, James Faulkner, Jackson Bird, James Pattinson.

I don't mind that squad at all, Hughes didn't exactly fire in any capacity during the last series against the Saffies, so no problem at all with Marsh and Doolan being included ahead of him. If one of those two can lock down #3, releasing Watto to #6, it'll be a huge win. We have an excellent bowling line up to choose from there as well, so should be a very good series with us in such red hot form.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: HaroldBishop on January 20, 2014, 01:56:54 PM
Bailey gone, rightly so.

Marsh's Shield record is putrid, I have no idea how he gets a spot. I'm no Hughes fan but if they're picking on form he should be there ahead of Marsh.

I'd like to now see Watson move to 6 and give Doolan a chance at 3.

David Warner, Chris Rogers, Shane Watson, Michael Clarke (c), Steve Smith, Shaun Marsh, Alex Doolan, Brad Haddin (vc), Mitchell Johnson, Ryan Harris, Peter Siddle, Nathan Lyon, James Faulkner, Jackson Bird, James Pattinson.

I don't mind that squad at all, Hughes didn't exactly fire in any capacity during the last series against the Saffies, so no problem at all with Marsh and Doolan being included ahead of him. If one of those two can lock down #3, releasing Watto to #6, it'll be a huge win. We have an excellent bowling line up to choose from there as well, so should be a very good series with us in such red hot form.

Hughes has been in a bit of form this season though and that should count for something. I don't particularly like him but form has to count for something.

Will be an interesting tour. England had us in trouble quite a few times during the Ashes at 5/90, 6/130 etc. We won't get away with starts like that against the Saffies over there.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on January 20, 2014, 02:33:26 PM
Bailey gone, rightly so.

Marsh's Shield record is putrid, I have no idea how he gets a spot. I'm no Hughes fan but if they're picking on form he should be there ahead of Marsh.

I'd like to now see Watson move to 6 and give Doolan a chance at 3.

David Warner, Chris Rogers, Shane Watson, Michael Clarke (c), Steve Smith, Shaun Marsh, Alex Doolan, Brad Haddin (vc), Mitchell Johnson, Ryan Harris, Peter Siddle, Nathan Lyon, James Faulkner, Jackson Bird, James Pattinson.

Agree on Marsh, no fan of Hughes but he does have some form in South Africa with a couple of centuries early in his test career, may have something to do with Doolan being out of form at the minute and Marsh is some insurance for the No 3 spot.
Not sure Pattinson has earned his spot either but is getting a tour based on his extra pace and potential....Coulter-Nile is very unlucky IMO not to be touring.

Ditto on Pattinson/Coulter-Nile.  But if any of the three main pace bowlers go down, it would surely have to be Jackson Bird who comes in ......bowls in the same manner as Stuart Clark...and he did major damage when he toured there.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 20, 2014, 05:17:12 PM
On the Marsh selection, perhaps a National Selector nicknamed "Bacchus" likes the surname!!!

Quite a few State players will be phoning Brad Hodge for some sympathy and advice after the announcement of this squad. I am not a Hughes fan, but he is in form and did well in South Africa last time. There are several others who should feel a bit disgruntled by the Doolan and Marsh selections.

In particular I think North and Hughes do OK against extreme pace. White has also done OK in domestic but he is perceived to have a weakness against pace bowling that perhaps leaves him on the outer.

Maybe we have a youth policy, or too many 30+ in the side already for North to get a gig!

Is it a horses for courses policy, I am not sure, but if it is I am all for it!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: nathbear on January 20, 2014, 05:24:01 PM
Lol it was a lose/lose/lose scenario for the selectors when it came to our batting line up.

If they'd gone with Bailey due to the fact that we won the last five tests he played in, then people would be up in arms given he didn't really make any runs in those tests.

If they'd gone with Hughes, people would have been up in arms about the fact that he's had plenty of chances and never really delivered since his stellar debut series.

They've gone with giving Doolan his first cap (which is a pretty bold choice against the #1 team in the world) and that has people up in arms about Hughes being overlooked.

No matter what the selectors did there, someone was going to be unhappy but I, personally, think it was a good move to blood someone else coming through while we're in form and he should have plenty of support around him.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 20, 2014, 05:41:23 PM
Hughes did do well in SA, would he do well again given the way top teams have worked him out?

I suppose Hughes has a lot of ground to cover before selectors give his "new and improved" technique a tick. I fear at the moment all he is doing is learning to play the same game plan on a different type of pitch! Fair enough, drop in pitches are here to stay, soon the SCG will be in the minority!

Finally had to laugh. During one of the broadcasts over summer they showed highlights of Viv Richards, a kid at our club was watching the TV and said Richards looked like a bigger hack than Warner. I assume he referred to the new improved Warner. The same kid idolises Hughes, such is life! ;D
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 20, 2014, 05:43:09 PM
Doolan no. 3, Watson no.4 so Clarke can go back to no.5 where he produces by far his best cricket.

Then it's just whether we want to  use Siddle or Pattinson. Siddle deserves first go but Pattinson at his pace is tempting, especially in SA.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 20, 2014, 05:46:07 PM
Lol it was a lose/lose/lose scenario for the selectors when it came to our batting line up.

If they'd gone with Bailey due to the fact that we won the last five tests he played in, then people would be up in arms given he didn't really make any runs in those tests.

If they'd gone with Hughes, people would have been up in arms about the fact that he's had plenty of chances and never really delivered since his stellar debut series.

They've gone with giving Doolan his first cap (which is a pretty bold choice against the #1 team in the world) and that has people up in arms about Hughes being overlooked.

No matter what the selectors did there, someone was going to be unhappy but I, personally, think it was a good move to blood someone else coming through while we're in form and he should have plenty of support around him.

Hughes has failed time after time after time after time  at Test level no matter how many runs he has made st Shield level. Good  move to leave him out.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on January 20, 2014, 08:56:02 PM


Finally had to laugh. During one of the broadcasts over summer they showed highlights of Viv Richards, a kid at our club was watching the TV and said Richards looked like a bigger hack than Warner. I assume he referred to the new improved Warner. The same kid idolises Hughes, such is life! ;D

I hope you slapped him or imposed some other form of punishment ... Warner and Hughes look like they are chopping wood when they bat!

Viv was in a different class... just imagine him today with roped boundaries and a modern bat!





Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on January 20, 2014, 09:17:17 PM
Your not wrong by a different class. Sir Viv was in a class of his own and its hard to pick another with the talent he had. He didn't have to thrash the bat at the ball either. it went over the boundary with ease. his captain Clive Lloyd and his dozen grips on his bat was able to monster a big six with brute force, but still make it look elegant. Hughes and Warner can bat and hit big boundaries but I would take the previous 2 in their peak form over our guys in a heart beat. ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 20, 2014, 09:44:04 PM
This season Marsh has an average of 31 and Doolan about 39.......the cupboard is bare of No 3's.......Hughes has the runs on the board but at test level as Jim suggested isnt the answer. IMO Marsh will play No 3 and the idea IMO will be Rodgers holding down one end while the other batters try and hit the Saffies bowlers off their length and line with a full out assault. If that doesnt work then Haddin and the likes of Johnson, Harris etc will have to recover the innings.

Its going to be death or glory batting IMO rather than traditional build an innings test cricket...the chance of survival vs Steyn, Philander etc will be low if the likes of Warner, Marsh, Clarke, Smith, Watson start defending and waiting for loose balls and a player like Warner will probably hold the key to the series.
I think we can keep them to reasonable totals but making runs ourselves is going to be hard work...if my memory serves me right they bowled us for less than 100 in one innings in the previous SA home series and Philander was unplayable on their wickets.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on January 21, 2014, 08:58:16 AM
Its a tough one. 2 x nice 50s in the ODI series a god start for Marsh but he is a bit of a lucky boy. Doolan I like too but both he and Marsh have very average records this summer with the red ball. Not the only reason to pick a bloke is because of his record but has to carry some weight surely.

I wouldn't have been unhappy with Marcus North at 6. Id be leaving Watson at 3 for this series to tell ya the truth anyway allowing possibly Haddin at 6 then Faulkner at 7 or one of the bats in Marsh or Doolan at 6 with Hadds at 7.

Taking both Pattinson and Bird I would not have done but rate them both. Would have taken just one in Patts and also Coulter-Nile.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 21, 2014, 12:42:07 PM
Hughes has the runs on the board but at test level as Jim suggested isnt the answer.

??? Jim, Jim, who the feck is Jim? :P
:P                                            ;D
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: raven on December 08, 2014, 04:29:51 PM
Old but continuing topic, with a new summer of test cricket upon us.

I'll be there tomorrow for Day 1.

Only 1 Marsh in the test side, thankfully not 2. I guess Mitch is there as a backup for the backup Watson who is likely to break down after 3 overs?

RIP Hughesy. Should be an emotionally charged day.

Lets spank these Indians...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 08, 2014, 08:30:47 PM
Not sure how fair dinkum the Indians are about this series and they are more interested in defending their world cup title IMO.
Aussies to win 3-0 with little resistance...

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 08, 2014, 08:38:48 PM
Yea but I wonder how focussed our mob will be as well given that there has been a lot of talk about next year's ODI world cup.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: deags on December 08, 2014, 09:30:00 PM
The day our guys start worrying more about ODIs than test cricket will be the day I stop watching.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 08, 2014, 09:33:39 PM
The day our guys start worrying more about ODIs than test cricket will be the day I stop watching.

True cricket supporters rate Test Cricket as the highest level of the sport. The ODI and Big Bash series has gained a huge following over the years. With all its music, cheer leaders dancing and fan fare.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: raven on December 10, 2014, 12:33:11 PM
Test cricket is where it's at for sure.

But nowadays the general populace want a quick game done and dusted in quick time. Hence the t20 love... personally I can't stand t20.

Great day yesterday. Warner was terrific. Now if only the weather here would clear up we might see a few more tons to the aussies.

Clarke needs to be 'cotton wooled' for tests only.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 10, 2014, 01:04:56 PM
Test cricket is where it's at for sure.

But nowadays the general populace want a quick game done and dusted in quick time. Hence the t20 love... personally I can't stand t20.

Great day yesterday. Warner was terrific. Now if only the weather here would clear up we might see a few more tons to the aussies.

Clarke needs to be 'cotton wooled' for tests only.

I prefer test cricket but this series is as flat as the Adelaide wicket......the Indian bowlers are sub district standard..Ishant is bowling at 130k, if ever you were going to cash is and improve your average  then this is the series...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on December 10, 2014, 04:05:45 PM
Onya Clarkey. You've shown yourself to be every bit a worthy Australian Captain, not that you had anything to prove.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 10, 2014, 08:35:05 PM
The weather took the fun out of the game today. Was hoping we could get a move on with the bat early, and declare with enough time to get the Indian batting line up in trouble. Clarke needs to take the time off he needs to get his back in order. Can't have him causing more issues to his previous injuries. He is of too much value when he is 100% fit. Then again he did quite well being almost completely broken. I do agree with Elwood in his above comments. ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on December 10, 2014, 09:13:41 PM
Onya Clarkey. You've shown yourself to be every bit a worthy Australian Captain, not that you had anything to prove.

That knock, with all he's had to contend with will go down as one of the greatest Captains knocks of all time. The heir apparent's wasn't to shabby either.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 10, 2014, 09:22:26 PM
I think that I have fessed up to this before but I'll do it again.

I was convinced that Warner was strictly a T20 player but he has shown that he is exactly what a 21st century test opener should be.  He is such an important part of our test team now.

I wasn't convinced that Clarke should have a spot in our best eleven, let alone being captain.  Wrong!  He is up there with the best test captains we've had, not too mention how good his batting is (most of the time).  I just hope that he can manage his back for another few seasons.

The Indians were really non-competitive today, and so many dropped catches!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 11, 2014, 09:25:18 PM
Peter Siddle!

Apparently he was unwell today but his bowling just lacks zip.  I have always been a fan but I wonder whether his vegan diet has compromised his ability to bowl fast.

Some years ago I completed a level 2 coaching course and we had a nutritionist who had worked with Olympic athletes attend to talk about diet.  He said that a vegetarian athlete would never achieve their full potential.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on December 11, 2014, 09:58:58 PM
Peter Siddle!

Apparently he was unwell today but his bowling just lacks zip.  I have always been a fan but I wonder whether his vegan diet has compromised his ability to bowl fast.

Some years ago I completed a level 2 coaching course and we had a nutritionist who had worked with Olympic athletes attend to talk about diet.  He said that a vegetarian athlete would never achieve their full potential.

I reckon it helped him bowl long spells in tough conditions, but I agree, the zip just hasn't been there since he turned hamster.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on December 12, 2014, 12:06:40 AM
Peter Siddle!

Apparently he was unwell today but his bowling just lacks zip.  I have always been a fan but I wonder whether his vegan diet has compromised his ability to bowl fast.

Some years ago I completed a level 2 coaching course and we had a nutritionist who had worked with Olympic athletes attend to talk about diet.  He said that a vegetarian athlete would never achieve their full potential.

I too like Siddle but his lifestyle choices whilst admirable from a humanitarian perspective, fall short in the test Cricketing arena. Love to see Cummins and Pattinson out in the middle developing their craft.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 12, 2014, 09:40:29 AM
I think that I have fessed up to this before but I'll do it again.

I was convinced that Warner was strictly a T20 player but he has shown that he is exactly what a 21st century test opener should be.  He is such an important part of our test team now.

I wasn't convinced that Clarke should have a spot in our best eleven, let alone being captain.  Wrong!  He is up there with the best test captains we've had, not too mention how good his batting is (most of the time).  I just hope that he can manage his back for another few seasons.

The Indians were really non-competitive today, and so many dropped catches!

x2 on Warner...now is the premier opener in the world in all forms of cricket which is a decent claim given he was a park slogger .
Clarke is a good captain depspte what Ian Chappell says and it was very brave to come out and make the runs he did.....not sure it was his best innings in terms of batting purity but in terms of
adversity it was his greatest.
India are very fickle and every time we play them along with Pakistan I never know if they are trying or playing for the bookmakers....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 12, 2014, 09:15:29 PM
I remember a few years ago calling for Warner to be made a permanent place in the Aussie test side, when he was a slogger. I remember having arguments with Tribey and a few others about him. I am so glad he finally came good. He is now the new Gilchrist as an opener. Gilchrist type of hitting machine that is.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on December 13, 2014, 12:38:55 AM
I remember a few years ago calling for Warner to be made a permanent place in the Aussie test side, when he was a slogger. I remember having arguments with Tribey and a few others about him. I am so glad he finally came good. He is now the new Gilchrist as an opener. Gilchrist type of hitting machine that is.

He's revolutionising the role of test cricket openers in the same way that Gilly changed the game coming in at #7. Warner has been able to successfully modify his short form of the game to achieve the ultimate accolades in test cricket.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 13, 2014, 09:47:14 PM
We got out of jail with this test today. India looked like they had this game licked and collapsed in the last hour of the test. 2 for 240 to be 10 for 315 is a complete fail.

3 guys in the Indian side with the name Sharma. Are they all related ? I don't remember 3 players in an international squad with the same surname or all brothers since, Ian, Greg and Trevor Chappell years ago. Some here were not born yet when they were around.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on December 13, 2014, 11:15:37 PM
We got out of jail with this test today. India looked like they had this game licked and collapsed in the last hour of the test. 2 for 240 to be 10 for 315 is a complete fail.

3 guys in the Indian side with the name Sharma. Are they all related ? I don't remember 3 players in an international squad with the same surname or all brothers since, Ian, Greg and Trevor Chappell years ago. Some here were not born yet when they were around.

They dominated the match, they ended up with the win. India showed some ticker - the skipper especially - kudos to them. Test cricket is seldom easy?

But Australia won on a pitch that largely negated our main (relative) strength - our quicks.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on December 14, 2014, 12:17:17 AM
This test was a classic example as to why test match cricket the greatest form of the game. The momentum swings, a flat deck, the Michael Clarke story, the Hughes legacy, Warner, Smith, Lyon, Kohli, Mitchell Johnson's bouncer, Warner vs Aaron. The game is won in the final session on the fifth day with the Indian collapse starting at 4.08!!!(PH's test cap number)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on December 14, 2014, 09:03:52 AM
I remember a few years ago calling for Warner to be made a permanent place in the Aussie test side, when he was a slogger. I remember having arguments with Tribey and a few others about him. I am so glad he finally came good. He is now the new Gilchrist as an opener. Gilchrist type of hitting machine that is.

He's revolutionising the role of test cricket openers in the same way that Gilly changed the game coming in at #7. Warner has been able to successfully modify his short form of the game to achieve the ultimate accolades in test cricket.

I'm really hoping a bloke called Aaron Finch, who is where Warner was 3-4 years ago, can use warner as a model for his batting into the future.  He's got the technique, he's certainly got the power & I would love to see an opening partnership of Waner & Finch as a long term pairing for Australia.

(& coming for a Tasmanian, there's no VIC bias in that statement either !.......despite Cowan's 4 hundreds so far this season !)

BTW......I'm even feeling a bit sad for the South Aussies right now, bowled out for 45, no heroics for them in the aftermath of their personal disaster.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: age on December 15, 2014, 10:31:22 AM
Did India throw that game? 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on December 15, 2014, 12:49:29 PM
Did India throw that game?

You would suspect so, watching from afar.
I was at the test and had $50 on India at $21.00 early Saturday.
I though they were home and hosed.

Kohli's shot was terrible given they needed less than 4 per over.

They should have won in a canter while he was still out there.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 15, 2014, 01:05:54 PM
Smith Captain.

That is not such a surprise, but they used Haddin to captain in Clarke's absence as the reason for Wade not getting a run in the team despite Wade's great form!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on December 15, 2014, 01:14:04 PM
Smith Captain.

That is not such a surprise, but they used Haddin to captain in Clarke's absence as the reason for Wade not getting a run in the team despite Wade's great form!

Wades keeping is not great
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 15, 2014, 01:50:08 PM
Wades keeping is not great

Haddin isn't much better, neither would be in the top three in the country based on keeping alone.

Now the media are reporting that Haddin has been snubbed. ::) Seems he has plenty of support!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 15, 2014, 10:11:09 PM
I am surprised at the outpouring of support for Smith as captain. 

I don't really know enough about Smith's leadership and cricket nous to criticize or praise the decision.  However I do think that Haddin has been treated poorly.  After his good work after Clarke went off - and Clarke's vote of confidence in him - I would have liked to see Haddin made captain for the rest of the series, with Smith as vice-captain.

The deed has been done, so it will be interesting to see how Smith shapes up.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on December 16, 2014, 12:34:30 AM
I am surprised at the outpouring of support for Smith as captain. 

I don't really know enough about Smith's leadership and cricket nous to criticize or praise the decision.  However I do think that Haddin has been treated poorly.  After his good work after Clarke went off - and Clarke's vote of confidence in him - I would have liked to see Haddin made captain for the rest of the series, with Smith as vice-captain.

The deed has been done, so it will be interesting to see how Smith shapes up.

Hopefully Haddin remains a team player and supports Smith to the hilt. In the long run this could prove to be an investment in the future of Australian Cricket.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 16, 2014, 12:40:46 AM
I am surprised at the outpouring of support for Smith as captain. 

I don't really know enough about Smith's leadership and cricket nous to criticize or praise the decision.  However I do think that Haddin has been treated poorly.  After his good work after Clarke went off - and Clarke's vote of confidence in him - I would have liked to see Haddin made captain for the rest of the series, with Smith as vice-captain.

The deed has been done, so it will be interesting to see how Smith shapes up.

Smith is from NSW so thats important... :)
Other candidates would have been Haddin, Watson and Warner I presume...

Haddin is probably too near the end, Warner isnt seen as smooth enough being too much of a hothead IMO and Watson doesnt seem to command any respect from the opposition(India in particular just keep taking the piss out of him) and is a whipping boy for even Aus supporters...

Smith has a more likeable persona, is media friendly, keeps his cool better and being young will be afforded some time to get the captains job right...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 16, 2014, 12:00:14 PM
Pity there aren't more young batsmen pushing the incumbents because our batting is being carried by a few stellar performers and there are a few passengers.  And playing Marsh at 6 means we are only playing 5 specialist bats and that's leaving us very thin I reckon.

I agree that Haddin may have been viewed as too old but he comes across as a solid, hard nosed Test cricketer and we need those right now.  He is another that also needs to start making runs as his batting of late, particularly against off spin, has been scratchy. The next Oz keeper is going to be an interesting selection decision.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: shadesy on December 16, 2014, 12:00:45 PM
Wades keeping is not great

Haddin isn't much better, neither would be in the top three in the country based on keeping alone.

Now the media are reporting that Haddin has been snubbed. ::) Seems he has plenty of support!

Nonsense.. Haddin's keeping is still very very good, Wade is not a patch on it.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Amers on December 16, 2014, 01:11:02 PM
What is the best way for Smith to learn the captaincy?
Be made VC behind Haddin so he can watch and learn?
OR be made captain and have Haddin as VC and other senior players to go to for advice and also learn from his own mistakes?

If he is the right person for the job he will listen to his senior players and coaches and keep his errors to a minimum.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Thryleon on December 16, 2014, 01:30:21 PM
The captaincy is almost an in name, media scrutiny position.

Good leaders will lead anyway, whether they have the title or not.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 16, 2014, 01:32:18 PM
The captaincy is almost an in name, media scrutiny position.

Good leaders will lead anyway, whether they have the title or not.

Please post this to BumberT care of EFC, I presume it applies to coaches as well! ;D
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: raven on December 16, 2014, 02:27:23 PM
Siddle dropped, Harris injured.

In comes SMarsh, Hazelwood and Starc.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on December 17, 2014, 04:37:57 PM
Why oh why do they keep selecting Starc ?

He just doesn't have the heart for Test match bowling.  Both sides of the wickets, half rat power.  Give me a half fit Ryan Harris any day of the week.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 17, 2014, 05:28:44 PM
X2, needs to start justifying selection because I don't see it myself.  Very uninspired stuff from our blokes today
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on December 17, 2014, 08:09:37 PM
Yep, Starc was poor.

I'd be happy for us to find someone else in Shield cricket. Faulkner comes to mind, although not express, he was born for Test cricket IMO. There are others too.

With Harris out injured, maybe we should have kept Siddle in although he wasn't that great either.

Shaun Marsh dropping twp catches. Crikey! Hope he gets runs. He's on his last chance surely.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on December 17, 2014, 08:18:57 PM
X2, needs to start justifying selection because I don't see it myself.  Very uninspired stuff from our blokes today
Oh come on Prof....it was HOT in Brizzy today....give em a break...only on $1/2million + a year...poor luvs ::)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 17, 2014, 08:49:43 PM
I think the biggest issue for Smith going forward is going to be getting consistency from this group because we're carrying a lot of passengers at the moment.  A few stellar individual performances papered over a weak team performance in Adelaide.

Johnson, who is one of the fittest cricketers I have ever seen, struggled today, so it must have been pretty tough, but that's why it is called TEST cricket.

I reckon we failed as a team today.  We wasted the new ball.  We dropped catches.  Our front liners didn't build or maintain pressure and the support bowlers didn't do enough.

Fortunately the sun will come up tomorrow and the bowlers get a chance to redeem themselves.  Then we can think about batting to save this test because we can't win it from here.



Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 17, 2014, 09:02:17 PM
I heard on the radio today that Shaun Marsh can't throw and has to have someone follow him when he chases a ball to the boundary.  :o

I thought modern cricketers had to excel at fielding  :-\
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 17, 2014, 09:04:47 PM
I didn't watch all the play today, but the couple of hours I did watch, we really applied no pressure on the batting side at all. Line was off, length was off, and when an opportunity presented, we were in no place to take a wicket. Sure tomorrow is another day, but hopeful its not the same standard as what we dished out today.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 17, 2014, 09:18:41 PM
Agreed, it was the abject lack of pressure that our bowling applied that really stood out today.

When it is stinking hot the concentration starts to meander and I reckon a few of our blokes were dealt a lesson in the mental strength required in test cricket today.  We were bloody poor in the UAE in tough conditions and it is starting to look like a common thread.

Nobody can help injuries but I will admit I queried the Marsh family lineage a few times today.  Losing the support seamer really upset the side today, especially so as the younger Marsh was bowling a tight spell when he got hurt.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 18, 2014, 09:53:12 AM
Fast Bowlers hunt in pairs...Harris is a massive loss. Johnson can only be bowled in short spells and I reckon the Hughes passing has taken the edge off his ability to want to hurt batsman.He doesnt seem to want to bowl as many short deliveries which are his major weapon IMO and he lacked support from Starc who has built his career on one day bowling and looks like he bowls to contain rather than take wickets.
Hazlewood was impressive and is a better option than Siddle IMO.

The Marsh bros dont have much luck injury wise and Shaun is a bit of a liability in the field IMO.
Tough day for Steve Smith.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on December 18, 2014, 10:08:33 AM
Fast Bowlers hunt in pairs...Harris is a massive loss. Johnson can only be bowled in short spells and I reckon the Hughes passing has taken the edge off his ability to want to hurt batsman.He doesnt seem to want to bowl as many short deliveries which are his major weapon IMO and he lacked support from Starc who has built his career on one day bowling and looks like he bowls to contain rather than take wickets.
Hazlewood was impressive and is a better option than Siddle IMO.

The Marsh bros dont have much luck injury wise and Shaun is a bit of a liability in the field IMO.
Tough day for Steve Smith.....

Yes, can understand Hazelwood coming in for Siddle, he's going to be a gun. don't understand how Starc comes in for Siddle though. That baffles me. Starc simply hasn't done well with the red ball.

I think the aggression is down to for the same reason.

Would've hated bowling in yesterday's condition. Can't imagine bowling in high 30s with high humidity. Our's bowlers, what was left of them, were cannon fodder by the 3rd sessions and we got carted accordingly. Bad toss to lose.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: raven on December 18, 2014, 11:43:30 AM
I heard on the radio today that Shaun Marsh can't throw and has to have someone follow him when he chases a ball to the boundary.  :o

I thought modern cricketers had to excel at fielding  :-\

And he dropped 2 catches! Terrible choice to give him yet ANOTHER undeserved selection ahead of a number of other more suitable options.

I wish my Dad played for Australia....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on December 18, 2014, 11:56:50 AM

Would've hated bowling in yesterday's condition. Can't imagine bowling in high 30s with high humidity. Our's bowlers, what was left of them, were cannon fodder by the 3rd sessions and we got carted accordingly. Bad toss to lose.

Got memories of playing on a 40+ degree day a few years ago with thick bush fire smoke hanging in the air... captain lost the toss, sensed that the troops were a little down as a result, and proceeded to bark that cricket is a summer sport, so deal with it, and stop f***ing whinging.

They made 380.  ;D
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 19, 2014, 12:05:03 PM
Excremental batting from the usual suspects.  Time to start looking at blooding some new talent and giving them some game time prior to the next Ashes series.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 19, 2014, 05:52:30 PM
Excremental batting from the usual suspects.  Time to start looking at blooding some new talent and giving them some game time prior to the next Ashes series.

Who else have NSW got?  ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 19, 2014, 09:40:28 PM
You know your top level batsmen are not earning their keep, when Johnson, Stark, Lyon and Hazelwood need to tow the line. Very happy with the tail helping Smith move along and get us a decent total. We potentially could have fallen short in our total without the tail wagging. Mind you the Indian bowlers didn't help themselves opting to shake Johnson up early at the crease.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 19, 2014, 09:42:43 PM
I was hoping that the Indians bombing Johnson might rile him up a bit and get him to fire up with the ball.

We are a horribly unbalanced side at the moment... only about 50% of the blokes on a given day are performing.  Hard to win consistently when the side doesn't give a consistent effort.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 19, 2014, 10:01:22 PM
Maybe after a night to reflect on where they could have been in this game, and where they actually are, and still in a possible position to win this test, they will all fire up with the ball in the morning. They have bowled well at times but are too predictable with their execution. The delivery at Haddin that had him caught out, is how I would like to see the bouncers be bowled. Just no too often. Keep the pressure up with the line and length, ball after ball. Need to be sharp fielding too.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on December 19, 2014, 11:48:20 PM
Haddin's heroics of last summer with the bat seem to have deserted him. Deserves another match based on his efforts with the gloves alone, but Steve Smiths appointment as skipper may have been an indication that CA has it's doubts about Haddin's immediate future in the test side.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 20, 2014, 03:56:12 PM
Need a real no 3 the incumbent must have used the last of his 167 chances....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on December 20, 2014, 03:59:20 PM
Need a real no 3 the incumbent must have used the last of his 167 chances....

Mitch Johnson  ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 20, 2014, 05:35:47 PM
Our batting.....Aaaaaaaaargh they annoy me.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 20, 2014, 05:48:53 PM
Our batting.....Aaaaaaaaargh they annoy me.

Watson is disappointing and if it wasnt for his ability to roll the arm over would be out IMO...given M Marsh is dodgy with injury I reckon Watson will stay in the team.
The Indians really give it to Watson sledging wise and he looks mentally cooked when he bats IMO..needs to loosen up and keep it simple...
Shaun Marsh isnt up to it IMO but will get another chance...
Rogers has done enough this test to keep his place for the summer and will make the ashes trip.....I reckon Jordan Silk will take his place after that...

India are just too inconsistent with ball and bat.....Johnson bowled well but the Indians helped him out playing some poor shots.

Kholi has had 30 slips catching attempts for a 50% strike rate...if I was an Indian quick I would be telling Dhoni I want Kholi at third man....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 20, 2014, 07:13:58 PM
Its the brainless soft dismissals that irk me...  rubbish pull shots to balls outside off, strangles down the leg side, rubbish cut shots to point.   Its all well and good to be aggressive but there's a time and place.  Notice how often we lose a wicket just before an interval - Watson is a serial offender in that regard, he has a serious concentration issue but he ain't the lone ranger in that regard.

We so often lose on slow tracks because we don't bat time - we rarely bat for more than 3-4 sessions so we never leave the other mob out there long enough to suffer in inclement conditions etc.

Watson will get another go but I would be seriously looking at a bloke like Faulkner for the allrounder position.  Another that will get another go is S Marsh but surely the acid must be on... how many chances do some blokes get?  They have to start taking some of them!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on December 20, 2014, 07:40:54 PM
Need a real no 3 the incumbent must have used the last of his 167 chances....

Yeah we do...and badly...and in a hurry.

Still reckon Khawaja can bat in that spot but otherwise I'd be looking at Steve Smith now.

There aint much else and asking a rookie to come in and bat there is ridiculous.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on December 20, 2014, 08:30:04 PM
Boxing Day

Warner
Rogers
Cowan (Belting down the door. 4 centuries including a double 150 last game. Ready to go)
Smith
S.Marsh
M.Marsh/Watson (depending on Marsh's fitness. Only need one allrounder)
Haddin (needs to make runs but is in terrific form with the gloves)
Johnson
Harris
Lyon
Hazelwood

I always liked Watson in because he added to the bowling but with Mitch Marsh playing now Watson isn't needed. Watson was a godsend in the conditions for his bowling in this Test after Marsh went down but if Marsh is fit Watson becomes surfluous. Only plays, at 6, if Marsh is injured. We can put Cowan in, who's form is exquisite right now.

Great win in the end given where we were before lunch yesterday.


Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 20, 2014, 09:01:12 PM
Khwahja has done an ACL, gone for this summer.

Might have to replace Warner as well.  Maddinson?  A really left field selection of a bloke who has hit a lot of runs in all conditions over a long period... Klinger.

An amazing stat I heard this test is that the Cowan-Warner average  partnership is within a run of the Rogers-Warner partnership.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on December 20, 2014, 10:28:47 PM
Watson must go.

Cowan, as others have said, deserves another crack. His figures cannot be denied this season.

 S. Marsh - an enigma. oozes talent but maybe just trying too hard..... needs to grind more until he's 40+ odd (runs on the board) in an innings.
 
Saying he's not up to it is plain stupid EB1 - why not level the same at Watson, Warner (this test), Haddin (should be chopped for a younger type).
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 20, 2014, 11:00:04 PM
Watson must go.

Cowan, as others have said, deserves another crack. His figures cannot be denied this season.

 S. Marsh - an enigma. oozes talent but maybe just trying too hard..... needs to grind more until he's 40+ odd (runs on the board) in an innings.
 
Saying he's not up to it is plain stupid EB1 - why not level the same at Watson, Warner (this test), Haddin (should be chopped for a younger type).

Fly....You are calling me stupid when he has played 5 tests vs India and averages 7 runs an innings?????......he is also ordinary in the field.
ODI and 20/20 only player IMO......his brother is a much more talented and correct batsman..

Watson...should be dropped like I said but wont be......Warner...proven most wrong including me that he can play all forms of the game.
Haddin....nearly finished but his efforts with the bat in Ashes given him extra credits in the bank and India are so lame with the ball we dont need him making runs just making catches.

re: Cowan....dont rate him either...not enough shots to be batting at No 3.......Ian Chappell, Ricky Ponting...........Ed Cowan......Ed isnt exactly in the same parish as those players
Only role I can see for Cowan is to take over from Rodgers when he retires.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on December 21, 2014, 01:26:19 AM
Only role I can see for Cowan is to take over from Rodgers when he retires.....

I wouldn't wait that long.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: raven on December 21, 2014, 10:12:07 PM
Watson averaging around 30 with the bat since 2011 batting #3. Simply not good enough. And he is not good enough to be in the side as a bowler either.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 21, 2014, 10:37:55 PM
Watson is not a number 3, never has and never will be.  Your best batsman should be number 3 and, at the moment, that's Warner.  However, he is doing such a great job as opener that you would be loath to move him.

I thought Watson's bowling wasn't too bad, particularly after Marsh did his fetlock.  I'd prefer to see Watson played as an allrounder and coming in at 6 or 7.  Of course, he was to stay fit.

Rogers is the perfect foil for Warner, but he can score quickly as he demonstrated yesterday.  Cowan is in rare form but he is an incredibly slow scorer and that puts too much pressure on the other batters.

As for S Marsh, EB is spot on.  He is a streaky batsman who can't throw and apparently can't catch either and shouldn't be in the team.  Surely, there's another New South Welshman who can do better.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on December 22, 2014, 12:01:37 AM
There was a lot of concern when Warner was promoted to the test squad which has proven to be unfounded. Maybe the selectors should look at Finch in the openers role with Warner dropping back to 3.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Raydan on December 22, 2014, 09:27:34 AM
Watson is only there now because of the M,Marsh injury. I said before the series started, Watson will make a big score after the series has been decided when the pressure is off. No way has he ever been a number 3 and the figures stack up to support that.

Watson is mentally weak, just look at all the scores of 90ish when he was in form. Bat him at 6 and bowl 15 overs an innings, he is a limited overs player now.

Haddin needs runs, but the fact that he and Smith get on well and Smith needs senior players around him at the moment will mean he stays.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on December 22, 2014, 11:26:02 AM
Lots of similar thoughts to mine already expressed, but here is my take on things.

[1] Chris Rogers:
At 37 he is not far from the end. It is a pity he didn't play when he was in his best form a few years back, but it is good that he managed to become more than a one test wonder.
I would not drop him yet, but I would be looking at the next generation of openers to see if there is another warner out there.
I wouldn't play Finch: his form with a red ball is very poor, no matter how good his form with the white ball is.

[2] Watson:
Watson frustrates me as he gets himself out too often, after having the bowlers at his mercy. He is not now making the scores he did either.
I am a fan of his bowling when he is fit, as he does swing the ball. He bowled well in the 2nd test, but his body is a constant source of problems for him.
I would be seriously looking for his long term replacement as a batsman, although Mitch Marsh appears to be the answer as an all-rounder.

[3] Clarke:
I'm afraid he is near the end. His ongoing back and hamstring issues simply don't allow him to play as he once did. I find hat frustrating, but we need to replace him. I don't see him getting back.

[4] Ed Cowan:
Very good at taking a not so good attack to pieces, but has been found wanting at the highest level. He may get a few more chances as we fiddle around with the lineup, but he simply isn't someone we an build a team around.

[5]
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 22, 2014, 11:46:57 AM
Lots of similar thoughts to mine already expressed, but here is my take on things.

[1] Chris Rogers:
At 37 he is not far from the end. It is a pity he didn't play when he was in his best form a few years back, but it is good that he managed to become more than a one test wonder.
I would not drop him yet, but I would be looking at the next generation of openers to see if there is another warner out there.
I wouldn't play Finch: his form with a red ball is very poor, no matter how good his form with the white ball is.

[2] Watson:
Watson frustrates me as he gets himself out too often, after having the bowlers at his mercy. He is not now making the scores he did either.
I am a fan of his bowling when he is fit, as he does swing the ball. He bowled well in the 2nd test, but his body is a constant source of problems for him.
I would be seriously looking for his long term replacement as a batsman, although Mitch Marsh appears to be the answer as an all-rounder.

[3] Clarke:
I'm afraid he is near the end. His ongoing back and hamstring issues simply don't allow him to play as he once did. I find hat frustrating, but we need to replace him. I don't see him getting back.

[4] Ed Cowan:
Very good at taking a not so good attack to pieces, but has been found wanting at the highest level. He may get a few more chances as we fiddle around with the lineup, but he simply isn't someone we an build a team around.

[5]

I'd like Jordan Silk to take over from Rogers....good technique and knows how to build an innings..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on December 22, 2014, 12:31:14 PM
Watson must go.

Cowan, as others have said, deserves another crack. His figures cannot be denied this season.

 S. Marsh - an enigma. oozes talent but maybe just trying too hard..... needs to grind more until he's 40+ odd (runs on the board) in an innings.
 
Saying he's not up to it is plain stupid EB1 - why not level the same at Watson, Warner (this test), Haddin (should be chopped for a younger type).


Fly....You are calling me stupid when he has played 5 tests vs India and averages 7 runs an innings?????......he is also ordinary in the field.
ODI and 20/20 only player IMO......his brother is a much more talented and correct batsman..

Watson...should be dropped like I said but wont be......Warner...proven most wrong including me that he can play all forms of the game.
Haddin....nearly finished but his efforts with the bat in Ashes given him extra credits in the bank and India are so lame with the ball we dont need him making runs just making catches.

re: Cowan....dont rate him either...not enough shots to be batting at No 3.......Ian Chappell, Ricky Ponting...........Ed Cowan......Ed isnt exactly in the same parish as those players
Only role I can see for Cowan is to take over from Rodgers when he retires.....


Actually, with Cowan, he has re-invented the way he has played and scoring alot faster. You can't do no more than score runs. Remember, every Australian batsman during the golden era was dropped at some stage. All came back to be superstars. Cowan may not do that but his form is exquisite right now. Double 150 last game. Happy to give Marsh a shot but if he fails again then Cowan has to be a much better option.


Watson won't be dropped until Marsh comes back. We need the extra bowling option. Once Marsh is back then we can drop Watson.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on December 22, 2014, 12:33:14 PM
Watson is only there now because of the M,Marsh injury. I said before the series started, Watson will make a big score after the series has been decided when the pressure is off. No way has he ever been a number 3 and the figures stack up to support that.

Watson is mentally weak, just look at all the scores of 90ish when he was in form. Bat him at 6 and bowl 15 overs an innings, he is a limited overs player now.

Haddin needs runs, but the fact that he and Smith get on well and Smith needs senior players around him at the moment will mean he stays.

Actually at no's 1-2-3 Watson averages 40. I agree though, when Marsh is back he's gone IMO.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Raydan on December 22, 2014, 01:40:00 PM
It would be interesting to see what he averages in "live" games where the decision matters. I bet a big portion of the high scores that boost his average happen in the dead rubbers.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Sexybronco on December 22, 2014, 05:19:20 PM
It would be interesting to see what he averages in "live" games where the decision matters. I bet a big portion of the high scores that boost his average happen in the dead rubbers.
Perennial tease, at 30+ y.o.he should be dominating matches but is still only showing glimpses. Time to cut him from the test team and give others a chance.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on December 24, 2014, 01:33:49 PM
It would be interesting to see what he averages in "live" games where the decision matters. I bet a big portion of the high scores that boost his average happen in the dead rubbers.

Had a decent dual Ashes series last year but before then then only thing that kept him in the side was his ability to bowl. That was a godsend in Brisbane. That's the only reason as well he's playing this week, as Marsh can't. 

A few "unpressured" scores there of course, mostly recent, but not as many as you think. He made 83 no in the 2nd innings on Boxing Day last year chasing down a tricky target.  Alot of "live" games though when he was opening the batting and doing well against all nations but mostly during the higher point of his career a few years ago. Has alot of 50s and alot between 40-50. Hence the problem. Watson's problem isn't often form, it's the brilliant, chanceless, annoying 25s he make before going out while looking for all the world he's going to make a big score. At least before, his starts were between 40 and 95 consistently. Now it's 25-30. Unless he does something this Test he'll be gone as Marsh will come back.


Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on December 27, 2014, 11:16:24 AM
I used to be Anti Anti Anti Steve Smith...didn't rate him as a batsman...thought his technique had too many flaws and he was only getting a gig cause of the NSW connection...but now I can't get enough...this guy can seriously bat...really impressed with him 8)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 27, 2014, 02:06:38 PM
I used to be Anti Anti Anti Steve Smith...didn't rate him as a batsman...thought his technique had too many flaws and he was only getting a gig cause of the NSW connection...but now I can't get enough...this guy can seriously bat...really impressed with him 8)

I'd rate him more if the opposition was better than sub district level......you have a bloke on 96 and Shami delivers a medium pace half volley on leg stump.....most of us could have deflected that for four easy runs.
Dhoni has tried to bounce blokes out on a wicket that doesnt have much life and with a pop gun attack that only has 4 bowlers....go figure.
The Indians have a garbage attack and appear only half interested wit their eyes on the World Cup, really unless we are playing England or South Africa there is little competition in the world for Australia and teams like India and Pakistan only try when they are on home soil in their own conditions...

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on December 27, 2014, 08:03:39 PM
I used to be Anti Anti Anti Steve Smith...didn't rate him as a batsman...thought his technique had too many flaws and he was only getting a gig cause of the NSW connection...but now I can't get enough...this guy can seriously bat...really impressed with him 8)

I'd rate him more if the opposition was better than sub district level......you have a bloke on 96 and Shami delivers a medium pace half volley on leg stump.....most of us could have deflected that for four easy runs.
Dhoni has tried to bounce blokes out on a wicket that doesnt have much life and with a pop gun attack that only has 4 bowlers....go figure.
The Indians have a garbage attack and appear only half interested wit their eyes on the World Cup, really unless we are playing England or South Africa there is little competition in the world for Australia and teams like India and Pakistan only try when they are on home soil in their own conditions...

You can't do much more against good opposition than he has in the last 18 months. Absolute star.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 27, 2014, 08:15:19 PM
I think he has been doing alright while others have been failing. Our lower order has done well to keep our scores higher than they could be. Fair enough Elwood does make a point about how ordinary the Indian bowling attack is. How do our upper order batmen not go on to score far more than they have been. Our lower order at times appear to need to bowl well, and put the score up on the board when batting. If its not Harris, its Johnson or someone else like Starc.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on December 29, 2014, 01:10:43 PM
I used to be Anti Anti Anti Steve Smith...didn't rate him as a batsman...thought his technique had too many flaws and he was only getting a gig cause of the NSW connection...but now I can't get enough...this guy can seriously bat...really impressed with him 8)

I'd rate him more if the opposition was better than sub district level......you have a bloke on 96 and Shami delivers a medium pace half volley on leg stump.....most of us could have deflected that for four easy runs.
Dhoni has tried to bounce blokes out on a wicket that doesnt have much life and with a pop gun attack that only has 4 bowlers....go figure.
The Indians have a garbage attack and appear only half interested wit their eyes on the World Cup, really unless we are playing England or South Africa there is little competition in the world for Australia and teams like India and Pakistan only try when they are on home soil in their own conditions...
Steve Smith's played the very best opposition in the last 18 months.

India's made 400s every first innings so they're interested alright. Big difference is our bowlers....when they're batting. We haven't bowled great. Usually one bowler has done the job. In a reasonably close series we've won all the big moments that mattered.

Just wish we wouldn't serve up flat tracks for India. They'd doctor them for us big time. Give them green ones for a change and stop pandering to them.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 29, 2014, 10:42:58 PM
I used to be Anti Anti Anti Steve Smith...didn't rate him as a batsman...thought his technique had too many flaws and he was only getting a gig cause of the NSW connection...but now I can't get enough...this guy can seriously bat...really impressed with him 8)

I'd rate him more if the opposition was better than sub district level......you have a bloke on 96 and Shami delivers a medium pace half volley on leg stump.....most of us could have deflected that for four easy runs.
Dhoni has tried to bounce blokes out on a wicket that doesnt have much life and with a pop gun attack that only has 4 bowlers....go figure.
The Indians have a garbage attack and appear only half interested wit their eyes on the World Cup, really unless we are playing England or South Africa there is little competition in the world for Australia and teams like India and Pakistan only try when they are on home soil in their own conditions...
Steve Smith's played the very best opposition in the last 18 months.

India's made 400s every first innings so they're interested alright. Big difference is our bowlers....when they're batting. We haven't bowled great. Usually one bowler has done the job. In a reasonably close series we've won all the big moments that mattered.

Just wish we wouldn't serve up flat tracks for India. They'd doctor them for us big time. Give them green ones for a change and stop pandering to them.

Think some of the Indians are interested like Kholi who is batting well mainly due to his dislike of Johnson and wants to prove a point but you cant tell me Dhoni is trying.....my German Shepherd would be more keen behind the wicket and probably show more interest in the field placings....his batting has also been careless and lacking intent. Ishant Sharma is the same...130k half rat power deliveries and seems more interested in arguing with Warner than bowling....
Even Johnson looks disinterested and bowled a lot of half rat power carp at Rahane/Kholi and went back to the old Mitch and bowled half trackers wide of the wicket that got hammered......
Lyon couldnt even take a regulation caught and bowled such was his lack of concentration.....

The flat wickets are helping keep the games alive, if you cant make runs on these el paradiso tracks then you shouldnt be playing the game......Shane Watson says hello.

re: Smith....played well but I still have trouble rating a player who is so unorthodox and slogs like a park cricketer....Shami,Ishant, Yadav, Ashwin and Vijay aint quality no matter how much the chanenel 9 commentators build them up...

I am glad Kholi is playing as otherwise this series would be one of the most boring...agree on the green pitches, I would have served up green tops in every state although since the passing
of Phil Hughes I detect a reluctance from our quicks to bowl too many intimidating deliveries...been bouncers but not the targeted throat high ones that have to be fended off....


Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on December 29, 2014, 11:07:41 PM
The flat wickets are helping keep the games alive, if you cant make runs on these el paradiso tracks then you shouldnt be playing the game......Shane Watson says hello.

I'd rather see Australia lose tests instead of persisting with these crappy flat wickets. We need to create an environment that makes batsmen, rather than one which harbours mediocrity.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 30, 2014, 12:13:44 AM
Wally Edwards reckons Victoria is not doing enough to get players in the Test side and Tony Dodemaide blames the focus on the short forms of the game.

Quote
Cricket Australia chairman Wally Edwards has put the heat on Victoria to produce more Test cricketers with some pointed remarks during a Boxing Day Test that features more Victorians in the commentary box than on the field.

Edwards, speaking at luncheon on day two of the Melbourne Test, pointed to participation numbers that show Victoria boasts more cricketers than footballers, and more cricketers than the production-line state in NSW, but does not pull its weight in contributing players for the Test team.
http://www.theage.com.au/sport/cricket/cricket-australia-asks-where-are-all-the-victorians-20141228-12enl0.html

Here I was thinking that NSW players were given their baggy green when they won their NSW cap  ;)

Seriously, it is a bit odd that Victoria has performed better than most in the Shield over many years but can't produce more than the occasional Test player.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 31, 2014, 12:07:47 AM
Dhoni has just retired from test cricket so I feel a bit vindicated on my comments about his poor efforts and lack of intensity in this test series.
Clearly he wasnt interested in this series and is going to play 50 over and 20/20 cricket only  where he makes a fortune in the IPL etc...

Kholi will be the new captain which will be interesting given his attitude to anything in a baggy green and given today's farcical events between him Haddin, Warner and crew I can see things heating up.
If I was the umpires I wouldnt be putting up with much more of this and would be reporting players before it gets out of hand...Kholi has far too much to say for a player who who wasnt captain(now is) and Haddin likewise was baiting him all day and its not a good look for the game. Haddin, Warner and crew need to be told to back off and likewise Kholi needs to be told the same and not be so precious when things that are accidental like Johnson throw that him get him upset...
Johnson plays hard but doesnt IMO go out there to injure players and does show genuine concern when players are hurt by bouncers etc.....

Shaun Marsh played well for his 99 and is a good player to watch when he attacks and while I remain skeptical about his ability at test cricket I enjoyed his innings and sportsmanship.....he doesnt mouth off and also claps his opponents when they reach 50, 100 etc and behaves like a test cricketer should and I hope he can make some more runs and hold his place..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on December 31, 2014, 12:32:36 PM
I used to be Anti Anti Anti Steve Smith...didn't rate him as a batsman...thought his technique had too many flaws and he was only getting a gig cause of the NSW connection...but now I can't get enough...this guy can seriously bat...really impressed with him 8)

I'd rate him more if the opposition was better than sub district level......you have a bloke on 96 and Shami delivers a medium pace half volley on leg stump.....most of us could have deflected that for four easy runs.
Dhoni has tried to bounce blokes out on a wicket that doesnt have much life and with a pop gun attack that only has 4 bowlers....go figure.
The Indians have a garbage attack and appear only half interested wit their eyes on the World Cup, really unless we are playing England or South Africa there is little competition in the world for Australia and teams like India and Pakistan only try when they are on home soil in their own conditions...
Steve Smith's played the very best opposition in the last 18 months.

India's made 400s every first innings so they're interested alright. Big difference is our bowlers....when they're batting. We haven't bowled great. Usually one bowler has done the job. In a reasonably close series we've won all the big moments that mattered.

Just wish we wouldn't serve up flat tracks for India. They'd doctor them for us big time. Give them green ones for a change and stop pandering to them.

Think some of the Indians are interested like Kholi who is batting well mainly due to his dislike of Johnson and wants to prove a point but you cant tell me Dhoni is trying.....my German Shepherd would be more keen behind the wicket and probably show more interest in the field placings....his batting has also been careless and lacking intent. Ishant Sharma is the same...130k half rat power deliveries and seems more interested in arguing with Warner than bowling....
Even Johnson looks disinterested and bowled a lot of half rat power carp at Rahane/Kholi and went back to the old Mitch and bowled half trackers wide of the wicket that got hammered......
Lyon couldnt even take a regulation caught and bowled such was his lack of concentration.....

The flat wickets are helping keep the games alive, if you cant make runs on these el paradiso tracks then you shouldnt be playing the game......Shane Watson says hello.

re: Smith....played well but I still have trouble rating a player who is so unorthodox and slogs like a park cricketer....Shami,Ishant, Yadav, Ashwin and Vijay aint quality no matter how much the chanenel 9 commentators build them up...

I am glad Kholi is playing as otherwise this series would be one of the most boring...agree on the green pitches, I would have served up green tops in every state although since the passing
of Phil Hughes I detect a reluctance from our quicks to bowl too many intimidating deliveries...been bouncers but not the targeted throat high ones that have to be fended off....

Smith is a gun.  Averaging 50 in Tests now. He isn't just a slogger, he's a super batsman.

Just flat wickets, it why bowlers look like they're at half rat power. If you bent your back all day on those you'd know about it as you're bowling for a long time without reward. Actually have to pace yourself.  Pitches are ridiculously flat. How many times has a side made 400's, a couple of times mid-400s and keep getting beaten, or near beaten as in this Test. If ever green pitches should be provided for a team it should be India given both what they doctor up for us and they incessant whinging.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Raydan on January 01, 2015, 01:25:26 PM
CA witer Andrew Ramsay has just released his greatest world cup team ever;

1 Sanath Jayasuriya
2 Adam Gilchrist
3 Ricky Ponting VC
4 Sachin Tendulkar
5 Viv Richards
6 Brain Lara
7 Jacques Kallis
8 Imran Khan
9 Wasim Akram
10 Muthiah Muralidaran
11 Glenn McGrath

12th Ian Botham

What doesn't this side have? Dynamic openers, Hall of Fame mid order, When you can bat Kallis at 7 you know things are good. Then facing the bowling; Akram and McGrath with the swing and accuracy of Imran and Kallis them Murali with chuck a few overs down. With Viv & Jayasuriya to be change up bowlers. If someone did get a shot away and going for a quick single you'd have Viv, Ponting and Sachin throwing down the stumps.

http://www.cricket.com.au/news/feature/andrew-ramsey-names-all-time-icc-cricket-world-cup-12/2014-12-31
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 01, 2015, 02:26:33 PM
CA witer Andrew Ramsay has just released his greatest world cup team ever;

1 Sanath Jayasuriya
2 Adam Gilchrist
3 Ricky Ponting VC
4 Sachin Tendulkar
5 Viv Richards
6 Brain Lara
7 Jacques Kallis
8 Imran Khan
9 Wasim Akram
10 Muthiah Muralidaran
11 Glenn McGrath

12th Ian Botham

What doesn't this side have? Dynamic openers, Hall of Fame mid order, When you can bat Kallis at 7 you know things are good. Then facing the bowling; Akram and McGrath with the swing and accuracy of Imran and Kallis them Murali with chuck a few overs down. With Viv & Jayasuriya to be change up bowlers. If someone did get a shot away and going for a quick single you'd have Viv, Ponting and Sachin throwing down the stumps.

http://www.cricket.com.au/news/feature/andrew-ramsey-names-all-time-icc-cricket-world-cup-12/2014-12-31

Holy crap, that's some side. Two of the 3 greatest all rounders of all time in there. Imran, one of the greatest fast bowlers of all time, who could swing the ball at express pace, averaging 22 with the ball and 37 with the bat in Tests, and Kallis, who averaged 55 with the bat and 33 with the ball. Two of the most explosive batsmen of all time in Gilly and Richards, the brilliance of Lara and Ponting and one of the greatest exponent of swing bowling in Akram and the man closest to the greatest very quick in McGrath.

Reckon one could pick a second side near as good. Greenidge and Haynes at the top of the order, Lillee and Hadlee as the quicks, Botham as an all rounder, and Warne as the spinner.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 01, 2015, 06:03:53 PM
I'd have Botham in ahead of Kallis and Warne ahead  of Murali and I reckon AB De Villiers would also be in my team instead of Lara....AB's stats are just too good to ignore.

Chris Gayle would also be in instead of Jayasuriya.......more muscle and hitting power

Malcom Marshall  instead of McGrath.....Marshall can handle the bat and I prefer the extra firepower with the ball..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on January 01, 2015, 09:34:09 PM
Wally Edwards comments about Victoria not doing enough to produce Test cricketers have been shown up by the selection of Ashton Agar  :o

Forgetting the fact that he is originally a Victorian, his selection shows that form has nothing to do with getting picked; 7 wickets at 45 and 130 runs at 26 is hardly putting your hand up for a Test spot.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on January 02, 2015, 01:03:46 AM
Wally Edwards comments about Victoria not doing enough to produce Test cricketers have been shown up by the selection of Ashton Agar  :o

Forgetting the fact that he is originally a Victorian, his selection shows that form has nothing to do with getting picked; 7 wickets at 45 and 130 runs at 26 is hardly putting your hand up for a Test spot.

How they didn't pick Boyce is beyond me
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on January 02, 2015, 02:06:01 PM
Wally Edwards comments about Victoria not doing enough to produce Test cricketers have been shown up by the selection of Ashton Agar  :o

Forgetting the fact that he is originally a Victorian, his selection shows that form has nothing to do with getting picked; 7 wickets at 45 and 130 runs at 26 is hardly putting your hand up for a Test spot.

How they didn't pick Boyce is beyond me

Would have Cam Boyce in my squad yes for sure.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 02, 2015, 03:26:33 PM
India play the spinners with ease and Smith can roll his arm over if we need an extra spinner...as it is Lyon really only supports the quicks and is never a real threat unless bowling with a million runs on the board where he can buy wickets
Be more exciting if we picked Pattinson or Cummins and went hard at India.
The Indians would be happy to see Agar or Boyce in at the expense of Hazlewood or Harris etc IMO...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on January 02, 2015, 09:54:54 PM
I reckon that we could play an extra quick - someone like Pattinson or Cummins - who could maintain the pace attack so we just use Watson and Lyon and the part timers at one end.  There are more than enough runs in the tail to go without one of the batsmen.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 02, 2015, 10:10:18 PM
Any thought of Smith taking Bailey's spot as 20-20 captain is dead and buried!

Bailey's winning innings, and that six(6) tonight, surely fix his position for sometime to come!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on January 02, 2015, 10:46:35 PM
Any thought of Smith taking Bailey's spot as 20-20 captain is dead and buried!

Bailey's winning innings, and that six(6) tonight, surely fix his position for sometime to come!

Really woke the crowd up tonight, didn't he ? I would not have guessed they could chase down a total so large before they went in to bat. I should have thought twice. :o
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on January 07, 2015, 11:50:10 AM
Smith's 4th First innings hundred four tests in a row still won't be enough for some... I couldn't give a stuff about India's Pop Gun attack...the guy can bat and has a great temperament... unlike Watson who is a Spud and has enjoyed 3 years of Test Cricket  he didn't deserve ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 07, 2015, 02:38:08 PM
One ball moved on the morning session and Rodgers nicked it.  Watson nicks in the last over of the day then holes out.  These pitches and bowling make some of our blokes look better than they are.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on January 07, 2015, 09:52:58 PM
Watching the game today showed me this is an easy pitch to make runs on. India are easy to score against  as they have no pressure in their bowling tactics. They bowl rubbish delivery, after rubbish delivery. Don't even start on their fielding and taking catches. Really could have had Rogers, Watson and Marsh out before they went on to score great innings. This is the first time in a long time the upper order batsmen all scored really well. Rogers 95, Warner 101, Smith 117, Marsh 73, Burns 58. When is the last time we had the top 5 batsmen all firing over half centuries ?

That was nice to see, and Harris hitting 25 off 9 balls was fun to watch too.

If Australia can take 3 wickets early in the first session of play tomorrow, they may have the Indian team on the ropes. The pressure may creep on them and make them choke. If however they lose only one wicket, or none by lunchtime, it will be a long day in the field for the Aussies, and the game will be headed for a no result. I think the Aussies needed to swing the bat earlier today to declare earlier, to give themselves more time to bowl India out. We look like we might run out of time with this match. But you never really know what can happen.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on January 08, 2015, 07:43:00 AM
Like I said previously, I'd play Steve Smith at no.3 sometime soon. He wants it and can handle it IMO.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on January 08, 2015, 08:40:00 AM
Watching the game today showed me this is an easy pitch to make runs on. India are easy to score against  as they have no pressure in their bowling tactics. They bowl rubbish delivery, after rubbish delivery. Don't even start on their fielding and taking catches. Really could have had Rogers, Watson and Marsh out before they went on to score great innings. This is the first time in a long time the upper order batsmen all scored really well. Rogers 95, Warner 101, Smith 117, Marsh 73, Burns 58. When is the last time we had the top 5 batsmen all firing over half centuries ?

That was nice to see, and Harris hitting 25 off 9 balls was fun to watch too.

If Australia can take 3 wickets early in the first session of play tomorrow, they may have the Indian team on the ropes. The pressure may creep on them and make them choke. If however they lose only one wicket, or none by lunchtime, it will be a long day in the field for the Aussies, and the game will be headed for a no result. I think the Aussies needed to swing the bat earlier today to declare earlier, to give themselves more time to bowl India out. We look like we might run out of time with this match. But you never really know what can happen.

I'd give up fast bowling if I was presented with this pitch on a regular basis......on the back of Adelaide & Melbourne as well.

Geez we've rolled the welcome mat out for the Indian bats compared to what we got for the Ashes last year...which was pretty much perfect for mine (but that's coming from an ex quick of course !)

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on January 08, 2015, 09:10:39 AM
Watching the game today showed me this is an easy pitch to make runs on. India are easy to score against  as they have no pressure in their bowling tactics. They bowl rubbish delivery, after rubbish delivery. Don't even start on their fielding and taking catches. Really could have had Rogers, Watson and Marsh out before they went on to score great innings. This is the first time in a long time the upper order batsmen all scored really well. Rogers 95, Warner 101, Smith 117, Marsh 73, Burns 58. When is the last time we had the top 5 batsmen all firing over half centuries ?

That was nice to see, and Harris hitting 25 off 9 balls was fun to watch too.

If Australia can take 3 wickets early in the first session of play tomorrow, they may have the Indian team on the ropes. The pressure may creep on them and make them choke. If however they lose only one wicket, or none by lunchtime, it will be a long day in the field for the Aussies, and the game will be headed for a no result. I think the Aussies needed to swing the bat earlier today to declare earlier, to give themselves more time to bowl India out. We look like we might run out of time with this match. But you never really know what can happen.

I'd give up fast bowling if I was presented with this pitch on a regular basis......on the back of Adelaide & Melbourne as well.

Geez we've rolled the welcome mat out for the Indian bats compared to what we got for the Ashes last year...which was pretty much perfect for mine (but that's coming from an ex quick of course !)
Don't forget the Indians run World Cricket...wickets we prepared were at their request... ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 08, 2015, 09:52:39 AM
Like I said previously, I'd play Steve Smith at no.3 sometime soon. He wants it and can handle it IMO.

I'm still dubious of his technique when  under pressure with the ball moving and on greener wickets, while he is make runs at No 4 I would leave him there
and wouldnt mess with what is working.
India have been a disgrace wit the ball....as Harris showed vs Kumar who was bowling at less than 130k its just been a picnic for batsman....
These blokes get there IPL money and just dont show up for test cricket unless its in India where they have to put on a show..

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 08, 2015, 04:38:59 PM
Be nice if we left slightly more juice in these pitches..... YAWN.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on January 08, 2015, 07:35:20 PM
Be nice if we left slightly more juice in these pitches..... YAWN.

It just shows who is running cricket these days - imagine if we prepared our pitches to meet the Poms' requirements  ::)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 08, 2015, 09:10:37 PM
Be nice if we left slightly more juice in these pitches..... YAWN.

It just shows who is running cricket these days - imagine if we prepared our pitches to meet the Poms' requirements  ::)

No wonder New Zealand are winning every series at home of late, they must be the only team in the world that play on wickets with any grass or sideways movement....
India have stuffed cricket with all their money, IPL comp, we have more match fixing(hello Chris Cairns and Lou Vincent) thanks to all the dirty money in the game and
players like Glen Maxwell getting a million bucks a season to play cross batted park cricket is ridiculous IMO..
Players like Chris Gayle have turned their back on their country for Indian money and the Windies are just a basket case in terms of cricketing structure back home and are a 3rd  world team.....half of Pakistans team are in jail for match fixing.

Australia, England, South Africa are about the only countries who you can trust to be fair dinkum when they go out to play these days.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on January 08, 2015, 09:28:31 PM
This match is a waste of time. There will be no result. I would have rather watched a match on a pitch that challenges batsmen to reach a total of 300 to 330 and have a result over 5 days. All we have done is given batsmen a chance to lift their average scores. Whether it is a deliberate thing with the curators, its just not entertaining for the public. I don't remember so many centuries in a test series for years now.

These are all batsmen that would have struggled on greener pitches with bowlers that know how to bowl. Holding, Lillee, Akram, Khan, Garner, McGrath, Warne etc.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: northernblue on January 09, 2015, 09:21:30 AM
This match is a waste of time. There will be no result. I would have rather watched a match on a pitch that challenges batsmen to reach a total of 300 to 330 and have a result over 5 days. All we have done is given batsmen a chance to lift their average scores. Whether it is a deliberate thing with the curators, its just not entertaining for the public. I don't remember so many centuries in a test series for years now.

These are all batsmen that would have struggled on greener pitches with bowlers that know how to bowl. Holding, Lillee, Akram, Khan, Garner, McGrath, Warne etc.

Geez mants, popgun attack or what ?
Edit: I mean, exactly who would score runs against that attack ?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on January 09, 2015, 10:07:46 AM
Be nice if we left slightly more juice in these pitches..... YAWN.

It just shows who is running cricket these days - imagine if we prepared our pitches to meet the Poms' requirements  ::)

No wonder New Zealand are winning every series at home of late, they must be the only team in the world that play on wickets with any grass or sideways movement....
India have stuffed cricket with all their money, IPL comp, we have more match fixing(hello Chris Cairns and Lou Vincent) thanks to all the dirty money in the game and
players like Glen Maxwell getting a million bucks a season to play cross batted park cricket is ridiculous IMO..
Players like Chris Gayle have turned their back on their country for Indian money and the Windies are just a basket case in terms of cricketing structure back home and are a 3rd  world team.....half of Pakistans team are in jail for match fixing.

Australia, England, South Africa are about the only countries who you can trust to be fair dinkum when they go out to play these days.....

We should exclusively turn our Test Cricket into a Tri-Nations comp among these 3 sides.........tell the rest they can get stuffed & play amongst themselves.  England & Aus are the only countries that still get crowds (& therefore revenue) by turning up in droves to test matches, that's why all the other sides want to play us.


Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 09, 2015, 04:28:35 PM
Getting tired of one side constantly chasing the game and the other sandbagging.  They might have more rub of the green if they starting forcing things.

Ashwin's caromb ball was a shorter but gees it looks like a chuck.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on January 09, 2015, 09:33:42 PM
This match is a waste of time. There will be no result. I would have rather watched a match on a pitch that challenges batsmen to reach a total of 300 to 330 and have a result over 5 days. All we have done is given batsmen a chance to lift their average scores. Whether it is a deliberate thing with the curators, its just not entertaining for the public. I don't remember so many centuries in a test series for years now.

These are all batsmen that would have struggled on greener pitches with bowlers that know how to bowl. Holding, Lillee, Akram, Khan, Garner, McGrath, Warne etc.

Geez mants, popgun attack or what ?
Edit: I mean, exactly who would score runs against that attack ?

I know I probably chose some of the best bowlers ever to play the game. The point I was trying to make, is that this Indian bowling line up are so far away from the best, that most decent batsmen could score centuries against them with ease. They bowl half volley deliveries, pitch it in too short, or bowl wide of the stumps way too often. In fact if any of them manage to bowl 2 or 3 good deliveries in an over, it is a miracle. Their fielding is an absolute joke, and they drop catches worse than we do. We haven't taken some of our chances in this test. India is just worse.

Kohli has been brilliant with the bat. Cannot fault his attitude or application. I would give him the thumbs up if he ever wanted to play for us. Knows when to be patient and knows when to attack. He would probably bat a good score no matter who bowled at him.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 09, 2015, 10:30:58 PM
Like I said previously, I'd play Steve Smith at no.3 sometime soon. He wants it and can handle it IMO.

I'm still dubious of his technique when  under pressure with the ball moving and on greener wickets, while he is make runs at No 4 I would leave him there
and wouldnt mess with what is working.
India have been a disgrace wit the ball....as Harris showed vs Kumar who was bowling at less than 130k its just been a picnic for batsman....
These blokes get there IPL money and just dont show up for test cricket unless its in India where they have to put on a show..

Did well in South Africa against the best fast bowling attack in the world.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 09, 2015, 11:41:03 PM
Like I said previously, I'd play Steve Smith at no.3 sometime soon. He wants it and can handle it IMO.

I'm still dubious of his technique when  under pressure with the ball moving and on greener wickets, while he is make runs at No 4 I would leave him there
and wouldnt mess with what is working.
India have been a disgrace wit the ball....as Harris showed vs Kumar who was bowling at less than 130k its just been a picnic for batsman....
These blokes get there IPL money and just dont show up for test cricket unless its in India where they have to put on a show..

Did well in South Africa against the best fast bowling attack in the world.

Fair point Jim , he was good vs the Saffies who have a very good attack.....I'll be onboard more when he makes runs vs the English next ashes series....
Watson has done enough to tour the Windies and his bowling was very handy which we will need given M. Marsh being a doubtful quantity...
Mitchell Starc might be good value on the Windies tour...it made Glen McGrath as a bowler and I'd like to see Starc take some of the load of Johnson and Harris....the latter needs some rest time  for the Ashes where I think he can help us win the series...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on January 10, 2015, 12:04:11 AM
Like I said previously, I'd play Steve Smith at no.3 sometime soon. He wants it and can handle it IMO.

I'm still dubious of his technique when  under pressure with the ball moving and on greener wickets, while he is make runs at No 4 I would leave him there
and wouldnt mess with what is working.
India have been a disgrace wit the ball....as Harris showed vs Kumar who was bowling at less than 130k its just been a picnic for batsman....
These blokes get there IPL money and just dont show up for test cricket unless its in India where they have to put on a show..

Did well in South Africa against the best fast bowling attack in the world.

Fair point Jim , he was good vs the Saffies who have a very good attack.....I'll be onboard more when he makes runs vs the English next ashes series....


Smith has done more than enough to warrant a pass from any form of scrutiny this summer. Player of the year based on his recent performances.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sandsmere on January 10, 2015, 09:17:59 AM
Yesterday afternoon certainly wasn't boring. Specially Smith and Burns.

Today has the potential to be a great finish. Kohli will go all out for a win I reckon, so there will be runs and wickets, at least for a little while.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on January 10, 2015, 11:04:36 AM
The Australian team are fair dinkum, but Cricket Australia have bowed to the whims of Indian Board and produced these "roads" for this series, taking Mitchell Johnson and the rest of our fast bowlers right out of the equation. It has back fired somewhat, as the Indians have not been able to take 20 wickets in any of the tests, whilst our guys have still been good enough to "winkle out" their bats and win the series, albeit without the fiery pace we should have seen.
The Ashes series will be different as both sides have good depth in fast bowling stocks, and the Indian Board has been taken out of the equation....all my opinion of course, love a good conspiracy ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mav on January 10, 2015, 02:01:40 PM
Anybody see Carl Barron on The Cricket Show?  He was there to spruik a movie, but did himself no favours.  Anyone plucked from the crowd would have been funnier.  You'd think he would have prepared a few funny stories to get things going.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on January 10, 2015, 07:27:32 PM
Like I said previously, I'd play Steve Smith at no.3 sometime soon. He wants it and can handle it IMO.

I'm still dubious of his technique when  under pressure with the ball moving and on greener wickets, while he is make runs at No 4 I would leave him there
and wouldnt mess with what is working.
India have been a disgrace wit the ball....as Harris showed vs Kumar who was bowling at less than 130k its just been a picnic for batsman....
These blokes get there IPL money and just dont show up for test cricket unless its in India where they have to put on a show..

Can't agree sorry elwood. He's shown he can match it and has the eye to bit a moving ball or leave it. Many players with good techniques have fluffed it at 3 and I want a bloke with the confidence and 'want' to bat at 3. He has the Ponting self-belief too which I think cannot be underestimated. He's good enough too IMHO.

Watson, S.Marsh, Cowan, and these blokes aint up to it. Shaun Marsh needs runs in The Windies badly. She reckon he's too soft mentally when batting and a liability in the field.

Burns not ready and could become a long-term opening partner for Warner IMO but either way not at 3 just yet if ever.

Clarke no good at 3 and doesnt want it let alone batting at 4. Reckon Clarkey will want Watson at 3, Smith to stay at 4 so he can come back to no.5 his preferred spot and thats ok.

Watson soft and doesnt look like he wants to bat there. It's still as an opener or no where for him IMO.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 10, 2015, 07:35:10 PM
Too many of these blokes eg Marsh, Burns are average fielders which is a real problem as well.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 10, 2015, 07:43:10 PM
Anybody see Carl Barron on The Cricket Show?  He was there to spruik a movie, but did himself no favours.  Anyone plucked from the crowd would have been funnier.  You'd think he would have prepared a few funny stories to get things going.

Agree....5 minutes of my life wasted on that non funny segment...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 11, 2015, 04:22:15 PM
Like I said previously, I'd play Steve Smith at no.3 sometime soon. He wants it and can handle it IMO.

I'm still dubious of his technique when  under pressure with the ball moving and on greener wickets, while he is make runs at No 4 I would leave him there
and wouldnt mess with what is working.
India have been a disgrace wit the ball....as Harris showed vs Kumar who was bowling at less than 130k its just been a picnic for batsman....
These blokes get there IPL money and just dont show up for test cricket unless its in India where they have to put on a show..

Can't agree sorry elwood. He's shown he can match it and has the eye to bit a moving ball or leave it. Many players with good techniques have fluffed it at 3 and I want a bloke with the confidence and 'want' to bat at 3. He has the Ponting self-belief too which I think cannot be underestimated. He's good enough too IMHO.

Watson, S.Marsh, Cowan, and these blokes aint up to it. Shaun Marsh needs runs in The Windies badly. She reckon he's too soft mentally when batting and a liability in the field.

Burns not ready and could become a long-term opening partner for Warner IMO but either way not at 3 just yet if ever.

Clarke no good at 3 and doesnt want it let alone batting at 4. Reckon Clarkey will want Watson at 3, Smith to stay at 4 so he can come back to no.5 his preferred spot and thats ok.

Watson soft and doesnt look like he wants to bat there. It's still as an opener or no where for him IMO.

I'd like another look at Cowan. Huge a huge summer including a double 150 last game and is batting very aggressively. Remember from our golden era every one of our batsmen were dropped at one stage before turning into absolute superstars. Happy to try Cowan again at 3.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 11, 2015, 04:23:43 PM
Too many of these blokes eg Marsh, Burns are average fielders which is a real problem as well.

Yes, bit worried about our fielding. It's been exceptionally poor in the catching dept in the last 2 Tests and cost us a 4-0 series win.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on January 11, 2015, 08:46:17 PM
Too many of these blokes eg Marsh, Burns are average fielders which is a real problem as well.

Yes, bit worried about our fielding. It's been exceptionally poor in the catching dept in the last 2 Tests and cost us a 4-0 series win.

I agree our fielding hasn't been sensational in this series. They take the difficult catches, but miss the catches that they would usually take.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: HaroldBishop on January 13, 2015, 10:52:46 AM
I'd like another look at Cowan. Huge a huge summer including a double 150 last game and is batting very aggressively. Remember from our golden era every one of our batsmen were dropped at one stage before turning into absolute superstars. Happy to try Cowan again at 3.

Langer springs to mind. Was quite pedestrian in his first stint but once dropped he turned himself into a more aggressive batsmen and killed it on his recall.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 13, 2015, 12:25:24 PM
Cowan is nothing flash in the field and is a poor runner between the wickets but I guess on weight of runs should get another opportunity....we need another Rodgers type who can take over and play support to Warner so I guess Cowan would be in the frame for that job after the next ashes series...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 13, 2015, 01:55:30 PM
I'm surprised that Clarke was named in the ODI squad, he is a far better player in the longer format. 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 13, 2015, 02:16:57 PM
I'm surprised that Clarke was named in the ODI squad, he is a far better player in the longer format.

Rod Marsh wants him to bowl some left arm spin so they dont have to play Doherty in some games and if they need the extra spinner but I tend to agree
he is better at the longer format..

With Smith the apprentice captain doing well and Clarke a test by test proposition I reckon the ashes will be his last test series, he spent some time
in the commentary box with his mate Warnie looking after him in the last month and I think the media is where his medium term future lies.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: raven on January 13, 2015, 05:03:46 PM
With his salary and sponsor deals he won't have to work ever again if he doesn't want to.

Throw in the hot model GF and its all looking peachy for pup.

...

Cowan to 3, Watson to 6?

Then once Rogers retires after the Ashes, move Watson up to open with Warner.

Can't stand Watson, but based on him hitting 80 and taking a few wickets last test he is now guaranteed another 5 years in our side I'd suggest...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on January 13, 2015, 05:36:47 PM
he spent some time
in the commentary box with his mate Warnie looking after him in the last month and I think the media is where his medium term future lies.
GREAT....CAN"T WAIT ::)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 18, 2015, 09:59:54 PM
The big show... As NWA said "don't believe the hype"
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on January 19, 2015, 01:26:39 AM
The big show... As NWA said "don't believe the hype"

100% agree. FWIW I was never on board and he's done Jack crape to change my opinion. Gives the bowlers more than a #10 with his early stances in attack. Poor cricketer IMO.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: HaroldBishop on January 19, 2015, 10:07:46 AM
The big show... As NWA said "don't believe the hype"

Public Enemy.

But yes I agree. His arrogance is astounding in the way he bats. Surely he must be losing some support within the team.

Assuming everyone is fit I think it's safe to say the below are lock-ins as our best side for the World Cup:

1. Warner
2. Finch
3. Watson
4. Smith
5. Clarke
6.
7. Haddin
8. Faulkner
9. Johnson
10. Starc
11.

At this stage maybe Hazlewood as the third quick but I don't know what to do about 6. Do we play Bailey and get 40 overs from Faulkner/Johnson/Starc and Hazlewood and then another 10 from Watson and Clarke/Finch for a bit of spin? That's probably the way I'm leaning. That gives us plenty of batting with Starc at 10 being more than capable.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 19, 2015, 10:51:06 AM
Maybe it was a wearing deck but I wasn't impressed with our batting.  Some of the lack of game awareness at times stuns me.  We have a major weakness against off spin, which someone will exploit.

None of Finch, Watson, Cummins, Bailey or Maxwell should be considered locks at this stage.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on January 19, 2015, 12:00:20 PM
The big show... As NWA said "don't believe the hype"

Public Enemy.

But yes I agree. His arrogance is astounding in the way he bats. Surely he must be losing some support within the team.

Assuming everyone is fit I think it's safe to say the below are lock-ins as our best side for the World Cup:

1. Warner
2. Finch
3. Watson
4. Smith
5. Clarke
6.
7. Haddin
8. Faulkner
9. Johnson
10. Starc
11.

At this stage maybe Hazlewood as the third quick but I don't know what to do about 6. Do we play Bailey and get 40 overs from Faulkner/Johnson/Starc and Hazlewood and then another 10 from Watson and Clarke/Finch for a bit of spin? That's probably the way I'm leaning. That gives us plenty of batting with Starc at 10 being more than capable.

I don't even think it's arrogance with Maxwell. I thinks it's pure an simply a complete lack of cricket nous & match awareness......which is worse.

The great players have arrogance (combined with a great match awareness).

And speaking of perceived arrogance, you know what...if Kevin Pietersen had chose to settle in Aus instead of England....he'd be still playing Test Cricket for us......and be a vital (missing) cog in our World Cup middle order !

cheers

Mal.




Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 19, 2015, 12:05:07 PM
As touched on above, if Maxwell stabilised his stance and kept his shape he may have more chance of connecting with real shots instead of trying to manufacture shots and crazy swipes.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 19, 2015, 12:18:29 PM
The big show... As NWA said "don't believe the hype"

Public Enemy.

But yes I agree. His arrogance is astounding in the way he bats. Surely he must be losing some support within the team.

I remember a lot of people, maybe even myself included, said exactly he same about Warner when he first appeared.

And if I recall, Kevin Pietersen claimed he got a similar reception from the public the first time he played reverse sweeps or switch hits. He tells a story about going out for a duck in a Test match playing a reverse sweep!
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 19, 2015, 01:44:26 PM
I think Watson is a lock in for the WC......while he cant turn many starts into centuries he is still very handy with the bat and his bowling is very accurate and
he has that partnership breaking ability you need.

David Warner....great talent as we all know but as Martin Crowe has suggested one of the most juvenile players to have ever played the game.
The incident with Rohit Sharma was an embarrassment and even though he said he got it wrong with the deflection from his throw and that he shouldnt have engaged
Sharma  he now wont apologise....poor form.
He continues to hide behind the excuse that Australia play aggressive cricket...no one supports aggressive cricket more than me but there is a line and he continues to cross it. One day another nutter like a Keiran Pollard will lose it with him on or off the field and there will be a physical altercation and Warner will be on the receiving end.

He needs to be warned by CA that he will be dropped if his behaviour doesnt improve......50% of his match fine is nothing for well paid International cricketers....
Love watching Warner bat but cringe at his behaviour and its going to end badly one day for him if he doesnt grow up..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 19, 2015, 02:50:13 PM
The incident with Rohit Sharma was an embarrassment and even though he said he got it wrong with the deflection from his throw and that he shouldnt have engaged

The bloke who should be wearing some heat about the situation is Haddin, he basically made the inference that set the whole situation in play just to cover up a piss-weak one handed keeping effort! ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on January 19, 2015, 03:32:22 PM
ICC should simply start suspending players.

It's childish rubbish mainly... I don't understand why so many of them get sucked in to it.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on January 19, 2015, 09:34:29 PM
I think that Warner's behaviour is appalling and the cricket authorities really should clamp down on poor behaviour and time wasting.  However, I wouldn't mind someone with Warner's attitude in navy blue.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on January 19, 2015, 09:39:50 PM
I think that Warner's behaviour is appalling and the cricket authorities really should clamp down on poor behaviour and time wasting.  However, I wouldn't mind someone with Warner's attitude in navy blue.

Good point. ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 23, 2015, 03:38:33 PM
I have to admit I am not impressed with the Vic tactics, boring their way to a shield victory is a very high risk option, by playing to draw they keep WA in the game longer!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 24, 2015, 03:46:40 PM
Victoria wasted the ideal batting conditions, were cheaply bowled out after overnight rain leaving a 1st innings deficit. Lost Pattinson to injury after five overs, bad for Victoria but worse for Australia. And now have the WA openers chasing quick runs at ODI rates with little resistance!

This is how to finish top and lose a cricket match.

The Vics may have well took the field wearing thumb screws, and they did it to themselves! They will be praying for enough rain so that they don't have to bat last on a rain affected pitch.

All that is good and bad in Sheffield Shield cricket wrapped up in one match!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on June 13, 2015, 10:21:43 PM
Does anyone know where to stream or listen to the Test Match?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 13, 2015, 10:25:09 PM
Does anyone know where to stream or listen to the Test Match?

http://watchcric.net/   ...dont know how slow/quick it is or how it operates..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on June 13, 2015, 10:34:16 PM
http://watchcric.net/   ...dont know how slow/quick it is or how it operates..

It's so depressing, I just want to go to bed and listen to the cricket on the radio like I have for the last 30 years. Feck me, I have no idea how they can damage the brand like this and think they are doing the right thing by the game. Kids are not even interested, nobody I know buys Foxtel and you cannot even sit around a fire or barbecue and listen to the cricket.

Those megalomaniacs running this crape must lie their arse off to investors and advertisers because the audience is effectively zero!

The world is all fecked up and going down the gurgler!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 13, 2015, 11:24:43 PM
It's so depressing, I just want to go to bed and listen to the cricket on the radio like I have for the last 30 years. Feck me, I have no idea how they can damage the brand like this and think they are doing the right thing by the game. Kids are not even interested, nobody I know buys Foxtel and you cannot even sit around a fire or barbecue and listen to the cricket.

Those megalomaniacs running this crape must lie their arse off to investors and advertisers because the audience is effectively zero!

The world is all fecked up and going down the gurgler!


Agree....listened to my first cricket matches on a crystal radio I built, its such a shame the ABC and BBC seem out of the loop in World Cricket and its it just
used to be a institution that you could listen to every Aussie test match by radio.
The Indian monopoly on all things cricket has stuffed the game and taken it away from being the peoples game and free to all  to a TV game where you pay for everything..
Enjoy the Ashes while its still free...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on June 14, 2015, 10:02:08 PM

Agree....listened to my first cricket matches on a crystal radio I built, its such a shame the ABC and BBC seem out of the loop in World Cricket and its it just
used to be a institution that you could listen to every Aussie test match by radio.
The Indian monopoly on all things cricket has stuffed the game and taken it away from being the peoples game and free to all  to a TV game where you pay for everything..
Enjoy the Ashes while its still free...

I used to wake up with my crystal set earpiece cord wrapped around my neck!

ABC cricket broadcasts should be mandatory as part of the ABC's charter and with guaranteed funding.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on June 15, 2015, 10:32:38 AM

Agree....listened to my first cricket matches on a crystal radio I built, its such a shame the ABC and BBC seem out of the loop in World Cricket and its it just
used to be a institution that you could listen to every Aussie test match by radio.
The Indian monopoly on all things cricket has stuffed the game and taken it away from being the peoples game and free to all  to a TV game where you pay for everything..
Enjoy the Ashes while its still free...

It's unbelievable that in this age of technology the options to freely listen to/watch cricket are worse than they were 50 years ago......I couldn't even find a radio commentary stream. No-ones going to games, or following test matches, but it's OK coz the governing bodies are all filling their pockets from the elitist media coverage....

grrrrr.

Mal.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 15, 2015, 04:16:32 PM
Brendon Julian never really made the cricket headlines a lot as a player but as a commentator he has for all the wrong reasons, while presenting awards
in the West Indies he did a Sandy Roberts and presented the " Sir Wank Worrell trophy".......pretty much sums up the series really....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on June 15, 2015, 05:18:18 PM
Brendon Julian never really made the cricket headlines a lot as a player but as a commentator he has for all the wrong reasons, while presenting awards
in the West Indies he did a Sandy Roberts and presented the " Sir Wank Worrell trophy".......pretty much sums up the series really....

Still it would have been nice to hear it!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on July 08, 2015, 08:13:55 PM
Wouldn't matter how many runs Marsh got in the lead up matches.....we just gotta have that Selfish Spud Watson in the side earning or not his $3million a year.....pfft :o
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Amers on July 08, 2015, 11:26:05 PM
Haddins dropped catch looks like it might cost us.

We started well, haven't been able to back it up in the 2nd session so far.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on July 09, 2015, 08:24:58 AM
Haddins dropped catch looks like it might cost us.

We started well, haven't been able to back it up in the 2nd session so far.

Yeah...only cost 134 runs..well done Brad.  7-340 is Ok in the end, need to skittle the tail rather quickly though.

That wasn't a pitch either, it was a cold bread pudding.  Balls bouncing twice to the keeper in the first over of a test match.  Bodes well for no bowler.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on July 09, 2015, 10:16:54 AM
Bowling was very inconsistent.... Jaffas mixed with overpitched trash.  Awful pitch for our pacemen, classic home team manipulation.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on July 09, 2015, 10:34:15 AM
Bowling was very inconsistent.... Jaffas mixed with overpitched trash.  Awful pitch for our pacemen, classic home team manipulation.

It's just not good enough Test Match bowling from the leftys....as usual from Starc.  Hazelwood bowled well.  Trouble is, Starc always seems to bowl just enough wicket takers to get him a couple of ......and a whole lot of garbage with no pressure on for the rest of it.  Honestly, I'd prefer Sidds & Hazelwood in England.  The pitches are not going to suit Johnson at all, deliberately of course, but you can't afford to have both he & Starc in the same side.

I hope Cummings gets a run in one of the Tests....although if he does it will be if we are well under the pump & 1 or tests down !
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on July 09, 2015, 11:00:07 AM
I watched till after lunch, didn't think we bowled well, but apart from Root they didn't bat very well either. If Gary Ballance is #3 we don't have too much to worry about.

Reckon we will post a big score and skittle the poms in the 2nd innings.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on July 09, 2015, 11:01:47 AM
It's just not good enough Test Match bowling from the leftys....as usual from Starc.  Hazelwood bowled well.  Trouble is, Starc always seems to bowl just enough wicket takers to get him a couple of ......and a whole lot of garbage with no pressure on for the rest of it.  Honestly, I'd prefer Sidds & Hazelwood in England.  The pitches are not going to suit Johnson at all, deliberately of course, but you can't afford to have both he & Starc in the same side.

I hope Cummings gets a run in one of the Tests....although if he does it will be if we are well under the pump & 1 or tests down !

Particularly on pitches like that  ::)

Starc and Johnson are wicket takers but they are expensive and not suited to pitches that take the pace out of the ball.  Siddle tying up one end would put more pressure on the batsmen.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 09, 2015, 01:28:23 PM
I watched till after lunch, didn't think we bowled well, but apart from Root they didn't bat very well either. If Gary Ballance is #3 we don't have too much to worry about.

Reckon we will post a big score and skittle the poms in the 2nd innings.

Thought Stokes and Ali threw the blade ok as well as Root who batted brilliantly IMO....all the talk of 5-0 has made us a bit soft in approach IMO, we lacked venom and hunger
and looked like we thought it was just a case of rocking up and the Poms would surrender.
Seen Glaciers move faster than Watto in the field and the sooner M. Marsh is in the team the better...

If Root can make it look easy so can our batters ie Warner , Smith etc although runs on the board like England have does always create pressure.....we can still win the game and while
England have their nose in front it was more of a case us of us playing poorly than them being anything special..Root aside.....maybe Warner can keep his mouth shut next time as Root looked like he had a point to prove.
 re: Gary Ballance.....another English boring barnacle with no shots apart from the outside edge through slips...reckon the English supporters would have been glad he got out as well...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 09, 2015, 09:02:27 PM
Englands tail is flogging our bowling...playing Ali at No 8 has really messed with our bowlers, he is an opener by trade and we just seemed to have bowled at him like a tailender and its really cost us. Hope playing eight batsman cost England though when they have to bowl as Ali is just a part timer and should be easy pickings on this wicket.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on July 09, 2015, 09:03:47 PM
If the Aussies ever get to bat on this road....probably about lunchtime tomorrow the way it's going....watch em F..K it up.....very unimpressed with what is going on so far....bowlers cannot find a line...therefore 9/420 odd...how these flogs have put on nearly 100 this morning is beyond me...new ball too:-(
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on July 09, 2015, 09:12:20 PM
If we lose this test Haddin should be dropped.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on July 09, 2015, 09:14:09 PM
Oh ...and why has Clarke got Johnson 3/4s to the fence at mid off...cost him 2 catches so far..coulda been batting 20 minutes ago...A1 Skipper!  :P
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on July 09, 2015, 09:23:05 PM
This test is gone .

Need rain.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on July 10, 2015, 12:27:00 AM
Without wishing to put the mockers on him, young Rogers is doing OK.  Hopefully, he will go on and turn this 50 into a ton.

Smith got tangled up after looking OK.

A couple of the commentators are suggesting that Siddle should have played.  They are also hoping to see Pattinson in action.  It will be hard to drop Starc after his five for and Johnson looks rusted on to his spot.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on July 10, 2015, 08:33:40 AM
Poor shots from Smith, Clarke & Voges, gave their wickets away.  Smith & Clarke obviously trying to target Ali (which is a good move.....if they really put pressure on his bowling, can the Poms afford to play him as a specialist # 8 ?), but they just gifted him two wickets instead !

And yes....for the life of me, on a ground this size why the heck would you have Johnson 3/4 the way to the boundary ?......with these bats anything even half hit will carry over his head.

Watson & Haddin, your turn now.  Need another 150.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on July 10, 2015, 10:59:58 AM
Poor shots from Smith, Clarke & Voges, gave their wickets away.  Smith & Clarke obviously trying to target Ali (which is a good move.....if they really put pressure on his bowling, can the Poms afford to play him as a specialist # 8 ?), but they just gifted him two wickets instead !

And yes....for the life of me, on a ground this size why the heck would you have Johnson 3/4 the way to the boundary ?......with these bats anything even half hit will carry over his head.

Watson & Haddin, your turn now.  Need another 150.
Looks like their plans and egos got in the road of sensible thinking. Giving away wickets is always a sin, but especially on the flat pitch.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Amers on July 10, 2015, 07:24:52 PM
Without wishing to put the mockers on him, young Rogers is doing OK.... 

Thanks DJC !! :P

Rogers aside, a pretty poor performance by us, Watson, Haddin, Johnson to try and save us.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on July 10, 2015, 08:25:57 PM
Thanks DJC !! :P

Rogers aside, a pretty poor performance by us, Watson, Haddin, Johnson to try and save us.

 :-[

At least he scored another 45 runs.

It was a pretty poor performance by the ather batsmen.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on July 10, 2015, 09:16:59 PM
Why does Watson continue to get a game? Getting the feeling some if these guys have played a series too many....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on July 10, 2015, 09:23:38 PM
Why does Watson continue to get a game? Getting the feeling some if these guys have played a series too many....

Watson, Haddin - should have been pushed some time ago......too much of a boys club is CA - sounds a lot lke CFC!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on July 10, 2015, 09:25:51 PM
An allrounder is supposed to be able to bat and bowl.... Competitively.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: raven on July 11, 2015, 11:56:11 PM
All over bar the shouting now...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on July 12, 2015, 12:55:37 AM
There should be a few changes and I suspect Watson's career may be over.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on July 12, 2015, 02:11:14 AM
Johnson batted well but I think that served to demonstrate how poorly the specialist batsmen and "all rounder" played.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: MosquitoFleet on July 12, 2015, 01:00:12 PM
if they drop watson and haddin for good, its a great result

haddin dropped the ashes with root....imo

the aussie selectors have to show some spine and and bring some talent in ...ashton agar is taking wickets and marsh with runs

the aussie selectors are hopeless when it comes to  england ashes series...voges, haddin, watson is a dads army...

the bowlers have been hopless with the duke ball...again another hopeless ashes preparation.

too  many rock stars and tattoos in the australian side now..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Amers on July 12, 2015, 07:14:53 PM
It appears swing is king when bowling in England, we need a couple of Terry Aldermans in the side.

Our batting is brittle as well, an AB type player who is willing to tough an innings out might be helpful as well.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on July 12, 2015, 07:18:51 PM
Terry Alderman now there was a great swing bowler if I ever saw one. Was far from express after his injury as well but would still open the bowling. The smiling assassin.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on July 12, 2015, 07:23:57 PM
It appears swing is king when bowling in England, we need a couple of Terry Aldermans in the side.

Our batting is brittle as well, an AB type player who is willing to tough an innings out might be helpful as well.

Just hit the seam will do and bowl good areas and to the plan.

Glen McGrath took a billion wickets and swung it twice in his career.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: spf on July 12, 2015, 08:44:23 PM
Time to get Siddle in after the Harris retirement. Siddle probably would not have expected to play a test but you know what you get with him.

If he can deliver from close to the stumps and bowl stump to stump with a little bit of cut he will be a marked improvement from what we've had. Not express but certainly 135kph which Broad was for most of the match. Not being as tall he won't get the bounce but not many did and Mark Wood is shorter than Siddle but hits the pitch hard and in the right areas.

A siddle combination with Lyon and Hazelwood will at least build pressure.

As for Shane Watson it's now a mere formality that his place is now Mitchell Marsh's for good. Australia might do well to think about whether Watson has any further use in the test setup and if not probably swap him out for someone from the Australia A tour. His body language was poor and his pace was only slightly more than David Warners medium pace and I'd rather Mitchell Johnson having a go as batsman right now - we'd lose nothing.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 12, 2015, 08:54:30 PM
England pitched the ball up more and Broad in particular was more concerned with line and length than trying to bounce or intimidate batsman...our blokes tried to drive good deliveries and paid the price. Bayliss has obviously decided that trying to fight fire with fire wont work and that he will make it hard to score runs and build up pressure by instructing his bowlers to bowl line and length. There were no cute fielding positions but Cook didnt get carried away with attacking either and had some of his field back as cover for well hit shots.
Their long batting lineup also provided problems and the days of the long English tail look over with even bowler Wood able to handle the willow.....

Playing Siddle is a risk IMO..he is very military medium pace these days and while he is a warrior who will toil all day he is also very easy to hit around and I would prefer
the pace of Cummins to replace Starc if he doesnt come up...
Siddle may be the same pace as Broad but the Englishman is about a foot taller and gets the bounce you need at that pace...
M. Marsh in for Watson is a no brainer IMO....

Watching Watto, Rogers and Voges in the outfield also made me thing we need some younger quicker fielders..Watto in particular is like treacle chasing in the outfield...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on July 13, 2015, 08:44:00 AM
England pitched the ball up more and Broad in particular was more concerned with line and length than trying to bounce or intimidate batsman...our blokes tried to drive good deliveries and paid the price. Bayliss has obviously decided that trying to fight fire with fire wont work and that he will make it hard to score runs and build up pressure by instructing his bowlers to bowl line and length. There were no cute fielding positions but Cook didnt get carried away with attacking either and had some of his field back as cover for well hit shots.
Their long batting lineup also provided problems and the days of the long English tail look over with even bowler Wood able to handle the willow.....

Playing Siddle is a risk IMO..he is very military medium pace these days and while he is a warrior who will toil all day he is also very easy to hit around and I would prefer
the pace of Cummins to replace Starc if he doesnt come up...
Siddle may be the same pace as Broad but the Englishman is about a foot taller and gets the bounce you need at that pace...
M. Marsh in for Watson is a no brainer IMO....

Watching Watto, Rogers and Voges in the outfield also made me thing we need some younger quicker fielders..Watto in particular is like treacle chasing in the outfield...

Siddle bowls too much leg side crap for a bloke that bowls 134 and is only 6' tall.
Cummins has not played 4 day cricket for 2 years, thanks to CA but now must get thrust into an Ashes series. Good work Pat Howard - Flog.
Why have we not got a younger bat on tour, what a wasted opportunity. Joe Burns? How has Shaun Marsh never played in England until this tour?
Haddin should go but won't. These selectors love their old blokes because they are tough, good blokes, good leaders. Unfortunately they may not be the best available.

How did we pick a squad with so many 33+ yo players? Acceptable if they are champions, but how many are? Harris and Clarke.
Is Peter Siddle on a retirement fund with CA? FMD
 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on July 13, 2015, 11:29:37 AM
Siddle bowls too much leg side crap for a bloke that bowls 134 and is only 6' tall.
Cummins has not played 4 day cricket for 2 years, thanks to CA but now must get thrust into an Ashes series. Good work Pat Howard - Flog.
Why have we not got a younger bat on tour, what a wasted opportunity. Joe Burns? How has Shaun Marsh never played in England until this tour?
Haddin should go but won't. These selectors love their old blokes because they are tough, good blokes, good leaders. Unfortunately they may not be the best available.

How did we pick a squad with so many 33+ yo players? Acceptable if they are champions, but how many are? Harris and Clarke.
Is Peter Siddle on a retirement fund with CA? FMD

Siddle is only 30??? :o

And he's the best lock down bowler in Australia.

I think you've listened to too much Thommo, I love the guy but lately his opinions have been a bit erratic. Reports are Thommo spent the evening at a pre-ashes dinner sitting next to Rogers and asked someone at the end of the night who Rogers was!

Shaun Marsh has never played before because he has a crap record on the swinging / turning decks you get in county cricket.

What you need to ask yourself is why the selectors are not smarter, they knew what sort of wickets the UK would dish up yet they picked a squad to play cricket at the WACA! :o

England are playing psychological games based on the fact the Australian batsmen are rattled since the death of Hughes, so they are delivering them up and down pitches that make our blokes uncomfortable. Add to that they have asked us to play nice, knowing blokes like Haddin, Warner and Johnson thrive when they are provoked.

Finally, Australian cricket is doomed until the country wrestles control of cricket back off NSW, FFS it's our national game not NRL! ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on July 16, 2015, 12:01:17 PM
Siddle is only 30??? :o

And he's the best lock down bowler in Australia.

I think you've listened to too much Thommo, I love the guy but lately his opinions have been a bit erratic. Reports are Thommo spent the evening at a pre-ashes dinner sitting next to Rogers and asked someone at the end of the night who Rogers was!

Shaun Marsh has never played before because he has a crap record on the swinging / turning decks you get in county cricket.

What you need to ask yourself is why the selectors are not smarter, they knew what sort of wickets the UK would dish up yet they picked a squad to play cricket at the WACA! :o

England are playing psychological games based on the fact the Australian batsmen are rattled since the death of Hughes, so they are delivering them up and down pitches that make our blokes uncomfortable. Add to that they have asked us to play nice, knowing blokes like Haddin, Warner and Johnson thrive when they are provoked.

Finally, Australian cricket is doomed until the country wrestles control of cricket back off NSW, FFS it's our national game not NRL! ;)

I rest my case. If Siddle is our best lock down bowler we may as well play strike bowlers only. Same run rate with a chance of wickets.
I have never listened to a word Thommo has said.
Shaun Marsh has never played in England because he has a crap record there? That's my point, surely he would have improved with experience. To be honest he has a pretty ordinary record everywhere.
Australia's problems with slow pitches have a lot more to do with their attitude towards out and out attack rather than building an innings like Rogers did. Warner's comments are a worry but not surprising.

On another note, Peter Neville looks a very promising type, hopefully he can add some steel to the batting line up, even though it's not his primary job in the side.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on July 16, 2015, 09:12:16 PM
Warner..... What an idiotic dismissal.  Had them at his mercy and holes out to a chopper.....  Unbelievably stupid.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on July 16, 2015, 09:24:50 PM
Warner..... What an idiotic dismissal.  Had them at his mercy and holes out to a chopper.....  Unbelievably stupid.

Not unbelievably stupid when you think of it.

Complete screwwit.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: raven on July 16, 2015, 10:17:49 PM
Still a decent start for us.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on July 16, 2015, 10:25:04 PM
Still a decent start for us.

Yes, that's one session to us.    :)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on July 17, 2015, 12:52:10 AM
Two now
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on July 17, 2015, 01:49:46 AM
Rogers finally got his century.  Very well deserved after an incredibly consistent series of good innings.

Smith just pipped him to the ton.

Well done to both of them  :)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on July 17, 2015, 08:47:20 AM
Rogers finally got his century.  Very well deserved after an incredibly consistent series of good innings.

Smith just pipped him to the ton.

Well done to both of them  :)

interesting that Rogers then outscored Smith by some margin (after reaching the ton second).....

I think the team is far better without Watson and Haddin (but respect to the latter in the circumstances naturally).

Watto - lots of potential but given way too many 'second chances'......
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on July 17, 2015, 10:11:35 AM
Pity we didn't apply ourselves like this a week ago.

Some of Smith's driving was impeccable.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on July 17, 2015, 04:25:39 PM
interesting that Rogers then outscored Smith by some margin (after reaching the ton second).....

I think the team is far better without Watson and Haddin (but respect to the latter in the circumstances naturally).

Watto - lots of potential but given way too many 'second chances'......

Both Smith and Rogers had quiet periods where they couldn't quite make their shots.  The partner stepped up and kept the scoreboard ticking over.  That kept the pressure on the Poms and kept it off the other batsman.  It really was a partnership.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 17, 2015, 11:54:04 PM
Chris Rogers doesnt look much but it goes to show that application and playing within your limitations can work for you just as well as being a gifted player with more natural talent.....his back cutting off Ali was so good to watch as was Smiths driving through the offside....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on July 18, 2015, 01:02:16 PM
Darren Lehmann has to have some serious discussions with a couple of players about their retirement plans.

He needs to convince Haddin and Watson that the time is right and he probably should tell Voges to think seriously about his future.

On the other hand, he should in Buck Rogers' ear about continuing his Test career.

It's sad to hear that Haddin's daughter is back in hospital.  Hopefully it's just a minor setback.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on July 18, 2015, 05:03:03 PM
That ball of Hazelwoods to Bell was perfect....nothing less.......better than anything Jimmy Andersons managed in two tests.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 18, 2015, 06:24:47 PM
That ball of Hazelwoods to Bell was perfect....nothing less.......better than anything Jimmy Andersons managed in two tests.

Gem ball...outswinging yorker pitched on middle hitting off....Bell has a good technique which makes it even a better ball and it wasnt wasted on a bozo who cant bat....
Lythe and Ballance are duds..the latter has zero technique, reckon they are playing their last tests this series......Stokes is a better player than I thought and has a good technique
for a player more renowned for being a big hitter and moves his feet well compared to some of his team-mates whose footwork is woeful.
Be one all in a couple of days time unless we have some rain....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Amers on July 19, 2015, 04:22:20 PM
Only 2 players scored over 50 in our 1st innings. On a good wicket, that is still not good enough, we were just fortunate that Rogers and Smith both made big scores.

We have bowled a lot better in this test, than the 1st test.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on July 19, 2015, 06:26:37 PM
Gem ball...outswinging yorker pitched on middle hitting off....Bell has a good technique which makes it even a better ball and it wasnt wasted on a bozo who cant bat....
Lythe and Ballance are duds..the latter has zero technique, reckon they are playing their last tests this series......Stokes is a better player than I thought and has a good technique
for a player more renowned for being a big hitter and moves his feet well compared to some of his team-mates whose footwork is woeful.
Be one all in a couple of days time unless we have some rain....

The best player in the history of the game in the best touch of his career would have missed that. Best nut I've seen in some time.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 19, 2015, 10:52:52 PM
England batting a second time and Lyth gone caught behind for 7..shame he more than likely wont be playing next test, Ballance in and I'd expect him to be on his way too soon....

Chris Rogers retired ill after suffering a dizzy spell and looked very unwell and dazed when he sat down near the pitch, hopefully its nothing to do with his recent concussion.
Just recovered from an inner ear virus myself similar to Jason Day the golfer and its not very pleasant watching the world go around and your falling off it...good luck to Rogers as he is playing so well and hope he recovers for the next test and Watto isnt needed...

Cook just gone to a wild cut shot...the end is nigh....
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Post by: cimm1979 on July 20, 2015, 10:55:23 AM
England batting a second time and Lyth gone caught behind for 7..shame he more than likely wont be playing next test, Ballance in and I'd expect him to be on his way too soon....

Chris Rogers retired ill after suffering a dizzy spell and looked very unwell and dazed when he sat down near the pitch, hopefully its nothing to do with his recent concussion.
Just recovered from an inner ear virus myself similar to Jason Day the golfer and its not very pleasant watching the world go around and your falling off it...good luck to Rogers as he is playing so well and hope he recovers for the next test and Watto isnt needed...

Cook just gone to a wild cut shot...the end is nigh....

I stayed up to watch it. Thought I'd have a glass of wine as they started their innings and go to bed around 11.00 (perth time) with them maybe 2 or 3 down.

Didn't even finish a 3rd glass!!!
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Post by: laj on July 20, 2015, 01:36:35 PM
Smith/Rogers 3/495 d England 415.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on July 20, 2015, 06:26:10 PM
I stayed up to watch it. Thought I'd have a glass of wine as they started their innings and go to bed around 11.00 (perth time) with them maybe 2 or 3 down.

Didn't even finish a 3rd glass!!!

 :)

That's when the WA time zone is very handy!

I had a few glasses but packed it in when they were five for - I need my beauty sleep  ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on July 29, 2015, 11:52:31 PM
It's a good thing young Rogers got over his ear injury!

The Poms have been bowling well but our batting has been woeful.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 29, 2015, 11:58:31 PM
It's a good thing young Rogers got over his ear injury!

The Poms have been bowling well but our batting has been woeful.

Anderson on these type of wickets with swing and seam is nearly unplayable, hopefully the movement stays and we get our turn with the ball to use the conditions.
If Steve Finn is picking up wickets and bowling genuine outswingers then its shows how helpful this pitch is to bowlers becuase Finn is a very ordinary bowler IMO...

Shaun Marsh in for Voges next test...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on July 30, 2015, 12:22:32 AM
I understand the reasons you never bowl first and usually support them.

Sometimes a team will bowl first because they feel it's the only way they can win.

But the only way the poms could have won this test is by bowling first in overcast conditions. That's why they brought in Finn late. They gambled and won.

Might have been one of the rare occasions where you look outside the norm and bowled first. It would have taken away their only hope.We didn't gamble and are in strife.

Particularly if you look at the weather forecast for the next 4 days.

All in Englands favour.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on July 30, 2015, 12:35:23 AM
It will probably best if we lose the last wicket quickly and give our bowlers a crack while the conditions last.  It could be a short Test.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on July 30, 2015, 07:22:03 AM
We need some young bats quick... Clarke is a real worry.  And he ain't the only one.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: MosquitoFleet on July 30, 2015, 07:47:50 AM
The decision to bat was stupid
Since 2005 we cant play swing conditions in England. ..a continual problem...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on July 30, 2015, 09:04:57 AM
The decision to bat was stupid
Since 2005 we cant play swing conditions in England. ..a continual problem...

It actually wasn't moving that much.....Smith, Voges & Marsh were playing (or trying not to play) at straight balls a foot outside off stump !

Clark got a good 'un, as usually happens when you're in a bit of a form slump, but the rest of the middle order were acting an if it were a Jimmy Anderson testimonial.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: age on July 30, 2015, 10:10:13 AM
Looks like a smashing is on the way
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: raven on July 30, 2015, 11:13:39 PM
Good fightback in the first session. It's running away from us now though with Ali scoring freely.

Our bowlers just can't bowl tight lines. Missing Rhino in these situations.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on July 31, 2015, 07:50:53 AM
Pity we can't bat.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on July 31, 2015, 08:12:01 AM
Clarke is cooked.

Got the jitters against blokes around 130ks.

screw him off before the series is lost.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on August 01, 2015, 08:24:36 AM
The dropped catch (although everybody drops the odd one) underlines to me that his confidence is totally shot or his head ain't in the right space.  Personally I don't think his captaincy has been anything special either, particularly his field placings.

I was a real Voges fan but he has been shown up as being a bit flaky, for what of a better term.  His fielding ain't impressive either.  If only we had a decent young bat - none of the other middle order contenders (S. Marsh or Watson) are screaming out for inclusion.  M. Marsh needs to start scoring some runs as well.

Nevill has a problem down leg side that he needs to work on, but gees we get ourselves out to some crap... half the wickets looked to be bad shots against angled wide stuff. 

I suspect that one of the bowlers will be given a rest - probably Hazelwood - as they look a little tired and they need to try something a little different.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on August 01, 2015, 09:25:28 AM
Clarke is cooked.

Got the jitters against blokes around 130ks.

screw him off before the series is lost.
I'm afraid he is past it. If he were not Captain he would already have been replaced. It is a pity, but these injuries have really taken a lot from him in recent times. That sounds like some other people I am know....

I guess there are some spots available, if we have the guys who are ready to take them.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 01, 2015, 01:32:27 PM
The Broad/Moeen partnership was the one that stuffed us up....got carried away with bowling short to Broad and over bounced him instead of bowling short of a length at the body. We have treated Moeen like a tailender and bowled rubbish at him....only Lyon worked out you have to treat him like a genuine batsman and bowl an off stump line.

Cummins in and either Starc or Hazlewood out.....S. Marsh in and Voges out.....Nevill will probably keep his spot because of his batting but I think Haddin is the better keeper..
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Post by: bratblue on August 01, 2015, 04:12:09 PM
Interesting interview with Johnson where he said he decided to try swinging the ball after he got Ballance and Stokes out to throat balls. He should've kept doing what was working.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on August 06, 2015, 08:45:06 PM
Is being a Carlton/Australian cricket fan pretty much the craptiest thing in world sport at the moment?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on August 06, 2015, 08:52:32 PM
Is being a Carlton/Australian cricket fan pretty much the crapiest thing in world sport at the moment?

At the moment I feel the same as you do. 6 for 31 ? Seriously ?  ::)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on August 06, 2015, 08:53:41 PM
Writing is on the wall for more than a few of these blokes, and its gonna get worse... the kiwis are going to flog us in the next series.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 06, 2015, 09:26:13 PM
9/50.....Broad 7 for...had to put the TV off...its depressing... :(.......watched a lot of cricket but cant remember getting bowled out in one session....
Ball that got Nevill was a gem....seemed to swing away then straighten back and bowled him..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on August 06, 2015, 09:43:07 PM
9/50.....Broad 7 for...had to put the TV off...its depressing... :(.......watched a lot or cricket but cant remember getting bowled out in one session....
Ball that got Nevill was a gem....seemed to swing away then straighten back and bowled him..

I just turned the cricket on and, for a moment, thought there must be a rain delay and they were replaying a disaster from years gone by.  All out for 60 before lunch!  WTF?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: MosquitoFleet on August 06, 2015, 09:43:33 PM
Is being a Carlton/Australian cricket fan pretty much the craptiest thing in world sport at the moment?

Mediocrity is the word...


Remember days we won flags...belted the pommies and Liverpool was no1.....

Awful time atm...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: raven on August 06, 2015, 10:21:19 PM
At the moment I feel the same as you do. 6 for 31 ? Seriously ?  ::)

I hear that!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on August 06, 2015, 10:21:32 PM
We're playing only three bats with Clarke, Marsh and Voges in the team... what used to be our strength is our biggest problem - no middle order whatsoever.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 06, 2015, 10:39:13 PM
We're playing only three bats with Clarke, Marsh and Voges in the team... what used to be our strength is our biggest problem - no middle order whatsoever.

Voges must have thought test cricket was easy  facing the West Indies quicks whose stock delivery is the short ball.......this series he hasnt played with a straight bat once.
Clarke is out of confidence and Marsh was unlucky being recalled on a green top with England swinging it like a banana...
Lets hope we can take advantage of the conditions and get the same help of the wicket...maybe if Johnson and Starc slow it down a little they can move the ball more....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on August 06, 2015, 11:33:37 PM
It's interesting that the commentators are almost unanimous in wondering why Siddle isn't in the eleven - not that he would have helped our batting.

Although the cricket isn't terribly good to watch, I am finding the vision of Nottingham very interesting; I had a couple of pints in Ye Olde Trip to Jerusalem, and most of the other pubs in Nottingham, around this time last year :)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on August 07, 2015, 07:50:33 AM
Like my love for the Blues, it wouldn't hurt so much if I didn't care so much. But I do care and I was embarrassed last night.
I simply cannot think of a single positive. At least I could go to sleep....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on August 07, 2015, 08:45:00 AM
No comment...I have just no ****ing comment to justify what i saw.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on August 07, 2015, 01:15:38 PM
How does James Sutherland always escape criticism.
We have far too much emphasis on limited overs cricket, in particular 20/20. We do whatever India tells us we have to.

I don't know one English test player that plays IPL.
Our bats are simply not good enough. They don't play straight and they have no patience.

If they want to play IPL go do it.
If you want to play test cricket, commit to it, 100%.
AFL footballers commit for a lot less money than these ass clowns get.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: c4e on August 07, 2015, 01:26:58 PM
It's interesting that the commentators are almost unanimous in wondering why Siddle isn't in the eleven - not that he would have helped our batting.

His batting may have helped. His average is higher than anyone made last night
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on August 07, 2015, 01:32:28 PM
Voges must have thought test cricket was easy  facing the West Indies quicks whose stock delivery is the short ball.......this series he hasnt played with a straight bat once.
Clarke is out of confidence and Marsh was unlucky being recalled on a green top with England swinging it like a banana...
Lets hope we can take advantage of the conditions and get the same help of the wicket...maybe if Johnson and Starc slow it down a little they can move the ball more....

This won't improve until NSW loses control of cricket, they are intoxicated with blokes like Warner and Hughes who can slam straight and wide stuff to all points. But as soon as the ball deviates the poor batting techniques are exposed for what they are.

Warner should have asked Root for some batting tips instead of punching him in the nose!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on August 07, 2015, 01:45:22 PM
This won't improve until NSW loses control of cricket, they are intoxicated with blokes like Warner and Hughes who can slam straight and wide stuff to all points. But as soon as the ball deviates the poor batting techniques are exposed for what they are.

Warner should have asked Root for some batting tips instead of punching him in the nose!

It won't change until CA realise 20/20 and test cricket are two different games.
It requires two different coaches and two different selection panels.
They currently seem to be very confused.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on August 07, 2015, 01:49:23 PM
Top Secret leak.

Cricket Australia's strategy document.

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Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on August 07, 2015, 01:52:26 PM
I think Warner got the best ball of the day... Neville got a good one also, but he didn't play it well. The rest gave 18 overs of catching practice.

Techniques and mindset found wanting. Pitch wasn't that bad, given the poms rattled up 4/270 odd.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on August 07, 2015, 01:56:06 PM
It won't change until CA realise 20/20 and test cricket are two different games.
It requires two different coaches and two different selection panels.
They currently seem to be very confused.

A good start would be to look for players outside of Sydney, but I suppose this whole test is all Voges fault! ;)

It's funny because I am trivialising the situation, but it's not funny because it cuts too close to the bone!
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Post by: malo on August 07, 2015, 03:34:00 PM
Now I've had the day to collect my thoughts.......they need to use the old Footy strategy.

Start playing the kids !  That means of the batting lineup, only Smith & Warner deserve to be retained.  Whatever happened to the likes of Joe Burns ?  Gave him a go, showed a bit, then never see him again !!!

They've got to pick for the future now.  And on the bowling front, give Cummings a go in the last test, and get Pattinson back in there this summer (which will be a very hard series against the Kiwis by the way).  Not sure about Neville either yet, you could have driven a truck through the gap between bat & pad as his bat came across from somewhere near 2nd slip !

Give us a young team that will at least have a few tests under their belt for the return Ashes.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Blue Moon on August 07, 2015, 06:05:23 PM
I think when this thread started, Australia was crap, since then we have got to the top of the pile, and now we are crap again.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on August 07, 2015, 06:45:55 PM
I think when this thread started, Australia was crap, since then we have got to the top of the pile, and now we are crap again.

Similar cycle over the last three tests  ???
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on August 08, 2015, 09:40:53 AM
Shane Warne is a bit of a knob but his cricket analysis is usually pretty good.  His comments last night about the batsmen lacking match awareness were spot on.

I found it too painful to watch and gave up at tea.

I reckon part of the problem is the decline of the Sheffield Shield.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: MosquitoFleet on August 08, 2015, 09:56:35 AM
factors are:

1. loss of sheffielf shield
2. a lot of aussie players don't play in England any more - in India playing  20.20
3. 20.20 killing technique to build long innings - test matches finish in 4 days now
4. cricket Australia - needs a clean out - Sutherland too long-
5. nsw cricket - as hookes says - when they give a player the blue cap the  baggy green is in a brown paper bag
6. not enough ethnic diversity in australian team - too anglo celtic and we are not tapping into all the talent imo
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on August 08, 2015, 11:49:00 AM
Openers have been ok but it's stopped there. Middle order is awful, especially with the captain feeling age and injuries. Batsmen's technique so poor for seaming conditions and it's killed us. Smith might be better at 4 but that means finding someone for no.3.

Fast bowlers as a group have been poor. Usually one has performed well with poor support  hence not the pressure of bowling in partnerships. Starc was terrible in the 3rd Test but great here, Johnson was good in the 3rd Test but bad here. He has to learn his position is to intimidate, not try to be a line and length swing bowler. His value drops right away. Heazlewood has generally been terrible and needs replacing. Lyon has done well.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 08, 2015, 01:31:56 PM
Openers have been ok but it's stopped there. Middle order is awful, especially with the captain feeling age and injuries. Batsmen's technique so poor for seaming conditions and it's killed us. Smith might be better at 4 but that means finding someone for no.3.

Fast bowlers as a group have been poor. Usually one has performed well with poor support  hence not the pressure of bowling in partnerships. Starc was terrible in the 3rd Test but great here, Johnson was good in the 3rd Test but bad here. He has to learn his position is to intimidate, not try to be a line and length swing bowler. His value drops right away. Heazlewood has generally been terrible and needs replacing. Lyon has done well.

Balmy Army have got to Johnson again IMO...he denies it and smiles back but his form has dropped right away and I reckon he cant wait to get back to Aus as England is not a happy hunting ground for him....
Agree with Smith back to 4, Starc bowled ok but I feel he bowls too much rubbish in between his wicket taking balls and in Englands 1st innings some of his wickets only came because they were throwing the bat.
Hazelwood lacks a yard and easy to hit...Moeen smashed him in his cameo and our bowling to the tail has been poor...not enough homework was put into Root or Moeen IMO and Lehmann , McDermott just thought we could rock up and England's batting would fall over...
Be interesting when we play NZ this summer......Kiwis might fancy their chances with us rebuilding....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: PaulP on August 08, 2015, 04:42:44 PM
It's not the players. It's the coach, and the Board, and the WAGS. And recruiting and development has been a shambles.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 08, 2015, 08:54:21 PM
All over ..England win the ashes 3-1 and skipper Clarke will retire after the last test.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on August 08, 2015, 09:15:55 PM
He's been a good servant, at least he has recognised when it's up for him unlike some AFL players! ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on August 08, 2015, 09:19:22 PM
Meh. As my missus always says....'cricket shmicket'.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: MosquitoFleet on August 08, 2015, 09:23:27 PM
Meh. As my missus always says....'cricket shmicket'.

Ive never heard of that phrase
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on August 09, 2015, 12:39:56 AM
All over ..England win the ashes 3-1 and skipper Clarke will retire after the last test.....

This was managed poorly IMO. Clarke should have been dropped sometime ago but was persisted with because he was the Captain. If he had been given the opportunity to regain form then we may not have found ourselves in the same predicament. It was the same with Watson, who wasn't even captain FFS.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on August 09, 2015, 11:18:42 AM
This was managed poorly IMO. Clarke should have been dropped sometime ago but was persisted with because he was the Captain. If he had been given the opportunity to regain form then we may not have found ourselves in the same predicament. It was the same with Watson, who wasn't even captain FFS.

I agree, but who would have replaced Clarke as Captain, Haddin, Bailey????

The cupboard is bare because cricket in Australia is not being developed administered equitably, there are too many excellent players leaving the sport because you can't get a game if you're not the In-law, relation of friend of some official, and because form is not being rewarded!

Cricket is suffering the same fate as Carlton, is has become too focussed on team harmony and not focussed enough on performance!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on August 09, 2015, 12:07:29 PM
I agree, but who would have replaced Clarke as Captain, Haddin, Bailey????

The cupboard is bare because cricket in Australia is not being developed administered equitably, there are too many excellent players leaving the sport because you can't get a game if you're not the In-law, relation of friend of some official, and because form is not being rewarded!

Cricket is suffering the same fate as Carlton, is has become too focussed on team harmony and not focussed enough on performance!

Who is not getting a game?
No one has made big runs in shield cricket for years.
We are seeing the results of players being coached at the centre of excellence to play 20/20 cricket.
Techniques are terrible.
There is too much focus on limited overs cricket.
Sutherland bends over whenever India asks him too.
Time to change the boss
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on August 09, 2015, 02:36:05 PM
This was managed poorly IMO. Clarke should have been dropped sometime ago but was persisted with because he was the Captain. If he had been given the opportunity to regain form then we may not have found ourselves in the same predicament. It was the same with Watson, who wasn't even captain FFS.

Captain will always get a longer run.

Our team was never that good. He took a very average team and took it to no.1 in 2 forms of the game. He never had a great team at all. He got the best out of them. A great captain, a great batsman.
 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on August 09, 2015, 03:40:40 PM
I'd be happy to give him more time, it seems like a decision made in reaction to a poor performance by the team. Take the emotion out of it. 

Clarke at least deserves a farewell on home soil... bit sad I think.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Dominator_7 on August 09, 2015, 04:04:37 PM
Soccer is close to taking over Cricket as Australia's preferred Summer Sport, especially in the Capital cities.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on August 09, 2015, 04:17:52 PM
I'd be happy to give him more time, it seems like a decision made in reaction to a poor performance by the team. Take the emotion out of it. 

Clarke at least deserves a farewell on home soil... bit sad I think.

Clarke should retire immediately.
Expect to see youth in Bangladesh
Burns must play.
Maybe Doran.
I would prefer Faulkner to Marsh.
Cummins to play 5th test.

We need to find a strong group to build around Smith who should bat at four but won't.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 09, 2015, 07:51:36 PM
Clarke should retire immediately.
Expect to see youth in Bangladesh
Burns must play.
Maybe Doran.
I would prefer Faulkner to Marsh.
Cummins to play 5th test.

We need to find a strong group to build around Smith who should bat at four but won't.

I'd like to see Bancroft open with Warner when Rogers retires....
I'm not sold on Burns yet.
Cummins....agree...swings the ball at good pace all be it is injury prone...
Faulkner is unlucky, because he is a very good one day player it probably hold him back in terms of perception and I agree he should
be playing more test cricket...still like Marsh but conditions at the WACA are not conducive to being a good player in English conditions and
he will be a better player back in Aus and places like South Africa, the West Indies etc ...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on August 09, 2015, 09:44:35 PM
I'd like to see Bancroft open with Warner when Rogers retires....
I'm not sold on Burns yet.
Cummins....agree...swings the ball at good pace all be it is injury prone...
Faulkner is unlucky, because he is a very good one day player it probably hold him back in terms of perception and I agree he should
be playing more test cricket...still like Marsh but conditions at the WACA are not conducive to being a good player in English conditions and
he will be a better player back in Aus and places like South Africa, the West Indies etc ...

Agree with Bancroft.
Warner is very lucky there is a void of senior players. His technique is awful.
These guys need to play in other cricket than IPL.
If Warner doesn't play county, I would tell him he doesn't play test cricket, up to him.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on August 09, 2015, 10:22:22 PM
Agree with Bancroft.
Warner is very lucky there is a void of senior players. His technique is awful.
These guys need to play in other cricket than IPL.
If Warner doesn't play county, I would tell him he doesn't play test cricket, up to him.

You'd be kidding about Warner wouldn't you? Warner's actually made 4 half centuries and a 38 this series. Not at his best but not too bad either. his technique isn't bad and better than most. He averages 46 in Test Cricket so it has nothing to do with a void of senior players. He'll be always first picked.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 09, 2015, 10:25:37 PM
Agree with Bancroft.
Warner is very lucky there is a void of senior players. His technique is awful.
These guys need to play in other cricket than IPL.
If Warner doesn't play county, I would tell him he doesn't play test cricket, up to him.

Warner hasnt got a great technique but is still a destructive player with a good eye...the English have bowled well to him and have had the ball moving back into his body
to cramp him up so he cant play those flashy cuts and drives but you are right a season or two of county to tighten his technique would be useful.
There is rumoured talk of another rebel test league starting up and I reckon Warner would be high on the list of players wanted and interested with obscene amounts of money
reckoned to be on offer if it ever gets off the ground...

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on August 09, 2015, 10:38:59 PM
You'd be kidding about Warner wouldn't you? Warner's actually made 4 half centuries and a 38 this series. Not at his best but not too bad either. his technique isn't bad and better than most. He averages 46 in Test Cricket so it has nothing to do with a void of senior players. He'll be always first picked.

No, not kidding.
He needs a kick up the ass.
He averages sub 20 in ashes first innings when it counts.
Stats ax be whatever you want them to be Jim
He has no forward defence and gets out playing the same shots
Let's not create another watson
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on August 09, 2015, 10:42:38 PM
Warner hasnt got a great technique but is still a destructive player with a good eye...the English have bowled well to him and have had the ball moving back into his body
to cramp him up so he cant play those flashy cuts and drives but you are right a season or two of county to tighten his technique would be useful.
There is rumoured talk of another rebel test league starting up and I reckon Warner would be high on the list of players wanted and interested with obscene amounts of money
reckoned to be on offer if it ever gets off the ground...

The blokes "setting" that up still owe numerous guys from ICL days.
Zero credibility.
If players want to take a risk on the money they now earn, let them.
There is only one thing that makes them valuable and that is playing for Australia.
Let em rot in IPL or whatever else they choose
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on August 21, 2015, 04:29:38 PM
Amazing watching last night.
You would swear we were trying to play test cricket.
Can't believe they would revert to that!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 21, 2015, 09:15:36 PM
Amazing watching last night.
You would swear we were trying to play test cricket.
Can't believe they would revert to that!

Some good leaves by Warner and Rogers....England dont look that intense IMO, thought their fielding was lacking spark and while they bowled tight I didnt think they
came out pumped like they did last test. How Siddle has got a game is beyond me..even though he might get some wickets I would have played Cummins.
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Post by: malo on October 30, 2015, 01:55:15 PM
Nice warm up for the Kiwis......Cricket Aus XI.......1 - 503 (dec).  Declared when they lost their first wicket (Carters for 209)  Finch (who can't get a gig for Victoria)  - 288 n/o !

Match suspended now while the pitch is being inspected....be absolutely hilarious if the Kiwis couldn't get a bat on it (although, a fair slight on the Blacktown ovals preparation).

Latest word, the stumps have been taken out......Kiwi's will be fuming

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Post by: LP on October 30, 2015, 01:58:31 PM
Nice warm up for the Kiwis......Cricket Aus XI.......1 - 503 (dec).  Declared when they lost their first wicket (Carters for 209)  Finch (who can't get a gig for Victoria)  - 288 n/o !

Match suspended now while the pitch is being inspected....be absolutely hilarious if the Kiwis couldn't get a bat on it (although, a fair slight on the Blacktown ovals preparation).

Latest word, the stumps have been taken out......Kiwi's will be fuming

The Kiwi's aren't fuming, they pulled the pin claiming the pitch was dangerous for the bowlers due to pot holes in the foot marks!
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Post by: malo on October 30, 2015, 02:03:07 PM
I just saw a phot0 of the pitch.....no bloody wonder.

That's pretty poor.  Can you imagine the outcry if this was an English warm up match to the First Ashes test ???

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Post by: JonHenry on October 30, 2015, 02:43:02 PM
I just saw a phot0 of the pitch.....no bloody wonder.

That's pretty poor.  Can you imagine the outcry if this was an English warm up match to the First Ashes test ???

The kiwis were about to bat after Aus made 1/500. What was their concerns?
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Post by: malo on October 30, 2015, 04:07:24 PM
The kiwis were about to bat after Aus made 1/500. What was their concerns?

It wasn't good, big footholes on the bowling crease.........but I think they were after any excuse to get an early start up in Brisbane, they already tried to cut this game down to 3 days & were refused.....so they just pulled pin anyway.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on October 30, 2015, 04:18:49 PM
The kiwis were about to bat after Aus made 1/500. What was their concerns?

Embarrassment! :o
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Post by: laj on October 31, 2015, 07:02:43 PM
No, not kidding.
He needs a kick up the ass.
He averages sub 20 in ashes first innings when it counts.
Stats ax be whatever you want them to be Jim
He has no forward defence and gets out playing the same shots
Let's not create another watson

He averages near 46 in Test Cricket. 12 centuries and 19 half centuries. There's your stats. Technique is good these days as he's worked on it. You obviously haven't watched any cricket at all for a couple of years. In case you've been living on Mars he is now probably the best opening batsman in world cricket. What you posted is....well...use your imagination.

Another Watson...lol!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Juddkreuzer on October 31, 2015, 11:01:55 PM
I just saw a phot0 of the pitch.....no bloody wonder.

That's pretty poor.  Can you imagine the outcry if this was an English warm up match to the First Ashes test ???

Disgraceful.

(http://www.cricket.com.au/news/match-report/day-two-cricket-australia-xi-new-zealand-blacktown-match-report/~/media/794C2A1B32A245C28A905E7616A1F596.ashx)
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Post by: crashlander on November 01, 2015, 01:49:21 PM
It looks like a 1st day track in India or Pakistan.
That isn't saying that it is any good. However, the Australians had just made a pretty impressive score on it, so it can't have played as bad as it looked.
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Post by: laj on November 13, 2015, 08:24:42 PM
1/382. Kiwis are have a tour to forget. Pitch is a road...again!

Over the whole tour they've taken 20 wickets for over 2000.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 13, 2015, 09:18:59 PM
1/382. Kiwis are have a tour to forget. Pitch is a road...again!

Over the whole tour they've taken 20 wickets for over 2000.

The Kiwi Bowling is woeful....no swing means no Southee or Boult and the rest look like sub districts players....can it get anymore non competitive...yep...the West Indies
2nd team are touring next.... :-X
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Post by: Amers on November 14, 2015, 03:05:36 AM
1 maiden in 90 overs is horrendous bowling. Their bowlers don't seem to be getting a lot of support from their captain either which probably isn't helping them.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 14, 2015, 02:28:21 PM
1 maiden in 90 overs is horrendous bowling. Their bowlers don't seem to be getting a lot of support from their captain either which probably isn't helping them.

Fawad Ahmed must be thinking he chose the wrong country...would have walked into the NZ team...Craig bowls more nude balls than anyone I have seen and his direction and length are terrible.
The retired Dan Vettori has left a massive hole in that team...
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Post by: DJC on November 14, 2015, 02:31:13 PM
I heard that only 25 of the balls bowled yesterday would have hit the stumps  :o

The Kiwis have certainly started with more purpose this morning.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 14, 2015, 03:06:42 PM
Fourth stump line is common defensive move, but takes discipline to execute.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on November 16, 2015, 12:51:20 PM
Calling leg spinners. Australia needs you!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 16, 2015, 03:58:30 PM
Thinking Johnson's days might be nearing the end. Too often under 140k and getting dished up roads after road to bowl on. Last 6 Tests in Australia have been roads. Interesting to see if he pulls the pin after this Test.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 16, 2015, 04:20:13 PM
Thinking Johnson's days might be nearing the end. Too often under 140k and getting dished up roads after road to bowl on. Last 6 Tests in Australia have been roads. Interesting to see if he pulls the pin after this Test.

Reckon you are right...looked down in mind and body and reckon he has had enough...NZ batters actually looked forward to him coming on in preference to Starc..
Mind you the WACA is no longer a pace bowlers friend and its been hard yakka for every bowler....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on November 16, 2015, 05:18:00 PM
Mind you the WACA is no longer a pace bowlers friend and its been hard yakka for every bowler....

That's been really disappointing. I wonder if they're just getting people used to the idea so that when they move to the new stadium with it's drop in pitches it won't be such a change.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 17, 2015, 08:06:49 AM
Rumors floating around Johnson is about to pull the pin, I can't blame him.

A cricket administration and media dominated by former batsmen has harassed and harangued the curators of grounds to produce batsmen friendly pitches, the net result is the disgrace we see at the WACA. A former pace bowlers nirvana turned into a pitch for flat track bullies. No wonder blokes like Johnson have had enough, their plight is beyond hope.

I find it ironic that the media types now spend all their time complaining, when they are the primary cause! They got what they wanted and now they are not happy about it!

This trend to build roads is crazy, it's killing the sport. Get a job with the council those behind this craziness! You might as well play cricket with tennis balls and racquets!

Perhaps it's time to ban drop in pitches and replace technology with skill and diversity?

Sixes and fours are good for TV, but falling wickets aren't too bad either!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 17, 2015, 11:03:34 AM
As an ex pace bowler........4 days of the worst cricket I have ever had the misfortune to see (parts of).  I just couldn't sit through all of that.  Starcs bowling mid 150s & there is nothing.  What a mere shadow of a once great cricket wicket the WACA is now....and truth be told has been for quite a while......I never thought I'd hear myself say this, but a drop in at the new stadium over there couldn't be any worse.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: PaulP on November 17, 2015, 12:37:51 PM
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/australian-bowler-mitchell-johnson-retires-from-international-cricket-20151117-gl0qsu.html

All your rumors and suspicions are confirmed.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 17, 2015, 02:44:49 PM
I'd be looking at trying a new all rounder because the incumbent isn't a No. 6 batsman's bootlaces.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 17, 2015, 03:45:13 PM
I'd be looking at trying a new all rounder because the incumbent isn't a No. 6 batsman's bootlaces.

Glen Maxwell must be some sort of chance though I think they rate the bowling ability of Marsh and want the extra pace bowler...Henriques would be another option....
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Post by: flyboy77 on November 17, 2015, 03:57:36 PM
Glen Maxwell must be some sort of chance though I think they rate the bowling ability of Marsh and want the extra pace bowler...Henriques would be another option....

One last chance for Marsh - needs to score more......crikey Siddle is more damaging with the bat!  :o
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 18, 2015, 11:21:03 AM
One last chance for Marsh - needs to score more......crikey Siddle is more damaging with the bat!  :o

Marsh in the squad along with Pattinson and Okeefe......reckon Pattinson might play ahead of Hazelwood as he is more of a strike bowler and Siddle will also
come in to the team and do the donkey work.
Lets hope that Pattison can hold up injury wise....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 18, 2015, 12:16:28 PM
I'm not disparaging Steve O'Keefe or his deservedness for a test spot, but how the feck does he get a run ahead of Fawad Ahmed and what sort of signal does that send?

In their last 10 matches O'Keefe has taken 14 wickets,.... Ahmed has taken 39!
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Post by: Professer E on November 18, 2015, 12:43:12 PM
We need to be seriously thinking about the future... Faulkner I'd be looking at for down the track. Can't believe either or both Marshes are getting another chance, both have been extremely underwhelming at Test level.

Bit over the criticism Smith is copping for not declaring earlier...  why is it always Australia that has to set up games?  The Kiwis didn't exactly hurry things along in the field.  Every man and his dog knew that is was going to be a draw when Smith got out early on the fifth day.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 18, 2015, 12:44:44 PM
I'm not disparaging Steve O'Keefe or his deservedness for a test spot, but how the feck does he get a run ahead of Fawad Ahmed and what sort of signal does that send?

In their last 10 matches O'Keefe has taken 14 wickets,.... Ahmed has taken 39!

Tells you they want Okeefe to hold up an end if he plays and not leak runs...Ahmed can take wickets but can also go for plenty.....we wont play a second spinner given Smith can roll his arm over
if required....
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Post by: laj on November 18, 2015, 01:17:15 PM
We need to be seriously thinking about the future... Faulkner I'd be looking at for down the track. Can't believe either or both Marshes are getting another chance, both have been extremely underwhelming at Test level.

Bit over the criticism Smith is copping for not declaring earlier...  why is it always Australia that has to set up games?  The Kiwis didn't exactly hurry things along in the field.  Every man and his dog knew that is was going to be a draw when Smith got out early on the fifth day.

Mitch Marsh is bowling really well. Although he is the all rounder he is batting at no.6 meaning his batting is more important than his bowling to the team, hence he best be making some runs if he wants to keep his spot. Watson at least got starts and rarely made single figure scores. Just kept getting a brilliant 25 then getting out. That was his problem. Faulkner or Henriques must be pushing Marsh for his spot.

Not sure how Shaun Marsh got a gig again. Like Marcus North he'll get 100, cement his spot, then get nothing for the next 5 innings. Would've gone with Klinger.

Pattinson and Siddle in. Hazelwood is doing very little. Current pitches require an accurate workhorse that can keep pressure on the batsmen. Siddle is that person.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 28, 2015, 03:32:17 PM
Mitch Marsh needs to start bowling well because he can't bat for crap... just like his brother....just not good enough.

Australian cricket is in a crisis when most of the batting comes from WA....  Voges looks like he can get out any ball, the Marsh brother are deadest hopeless...  FFS, give somebody else a go like Faulkner or Stoins or anybody not those WA nupties.
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Post by: crashlander on November 28, 2015, 04:46:18 PM
I think guys like Voges are just there to mark time before w find the next generation of batsmen. I don't think either of the Marshes are quite good enough. No ground is too big for Mitch when he gets going, but if the ball moves, he gets out. Shaun has had his turn. he needs to stop getting out to nothing balls. Voges is not quite good enough.
But where are the next generation of batsmen to take their places?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on November 29, 2015, 09:07:13 AM
Shaun marsh is 32 and has had 200 first class innings for 16 hundreds. When picking young guys, stats can be forgiven for talent, but they don't lie when you're 32. He is crape
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on November 29, 2015, 12:17:01 PM
Shaun marsh is 32 and has had 200 first class innings for 16 hundreds. When picking young guys, stats can be forgiven for talent, but they don't lie when you're 32. He is crape
I wish Shaun Marsh were fecal, but he isn't. He just doesn't have the concentration or hardness. At 32 he really needs to find something. Mind you, our batting really needs some new talent.

Our bowling isn't bad if we can ever get our guys fit on the field. But that just doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 29, 2015, 02:26:31 PM
For two Test I would've played Klinger ahead of S.Marsh. After that Khawaja returns. S.Marsh has had his chances. Faulkner may get his chance again as the all-rounder at this rate. Pattinson obviously for Starc.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 30, 2015, 08:16:26 AM
What a refreshing change to see a test match where the balance of bat & ball is a bit more even !..........and continues to show up that the current generation of batsmen have no idea of how to bat with the ball moving off dead straight for a good chunk of the time.  Learnt nothing from the recent Ashes debarcle.

3 Day test ?  Who cares !  5 days is the absolute limit, not a minimum.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on November 30, 2015, 09:38:10 AM
What a refreshing change to see a test match where the balance of bat & ball is a bit more even !..........and continues to show up that the current generation of batsmen have no idea of how to bat with the ball moving off dead straight for a good chunk of the time.  Learnt nothing from the recent Ashes debarcle.

3 Day test ?  Who cares !  5 days is the absolute limit, not a minimum.

Yep.

I thought it was fantastic.
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Post by: Professer E on November 30, 2015, 09:45:12 AM
The test showed up how technically  sloppy Aus batsmen are... commit to the line early, throw the hands at the ball and expect it to whizz away for four... so much for playing conservatively through the arc and watching the ball onto the bat.

We are damn hard to beat on those kinds of decks but if the ball deviates - swing or spin - we're stuffed.

Poms and Kiwis must be chuckling to 'emselves watching our mob yesterday.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on November 30, 2015, 09:50:45 AM
The test showed up how technically  sloppy Aus batsmen are... commit to the line early, throw the hands at the ball and expect it to whizz away for four... so much for playing conservatively through the arc and watching the ball onto the bat.

We are damn hard to beat on those kinds of decks but if the ball deviates - swing or spin - we're stuffed.

Poms and Kiwis must be chuckling to 'emselves watching our mob yesterday.

We won.

But on your point, most teams have the same deficiencies it's just that many of them aren't  that smart and it takes them a while to adjust.
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Post by: Professer E on November 30, 2015, 10:04:08 AM
Our bowling was very disciplined as well, but gees we dropped some catches.  We won because we got a very lucky break and didn't end the first dig about 80 behind.
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Post by: cimm1979 on November 30, 2015, 10:20:01 AM
Our bowling was very disciplined as well, but gees we dropped some catches.  We won because we got a very lucky break and didn't end the first dig about 80 behind.
Agreed.

 Reckon we've looked a bit half arsed all series TBH.
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Post by: Professer E on November 30, 2015, 10:34:04 AM
Neither Voges or the Marshes are particularly good in the field but Smith grassed a couple as well.  I thought our blokes played as if they were mentally and physically exhausted.
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Post by: laj on November 30, 2015, 12:25:53 PM
Our bowling was very disciplined as well, but gees we dropped some catches.  We won because we got a very lucky break and didn't end the first dig about 80 behind.

Wasn't lucky. Snicko showed absolutely nothing. Means there's a good chance he didn't hit it. They'll always take snicko, which could detect a fart from 50m, than hotspot, which on one hand, can often show reflections, or on the opposite end, no even show a mark at all when the batsman smashes it. Camera angles for that decision were awaful. The legside shot wasn't even properly in the frame. No spike on snicko then it means the mark on hotspot could've been anything, as the umpire said.

If hotspot shows nothing but snicko has a spike then the batsman will be given out. Nothing on snicko but a mark on hotspot then the batsman is likely to get the benefit, as happened in Lyon's case.
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Post by: Professer E on November 30, 2015, 12:58:43 PM
Apologies, I'm not 100% up with the nuances of the technology and its interpretations but it looked out to me, the Kiwis and Lyon so weight of probabilities says that it was out.

Anyway, test cricket - as this was - is a game of millimetres and relies on hours of concentration and application.  The Aussies were a wee bit beeta so they won by a slim margin.  Kiwis had the pick of the bowling periods and didn't do enough with it.
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Post by: laj on November 30, 2015, 01:16:39 PM
Apologies, I'm not 100% up with the nuances of the technology and its interpretations but it looked out to me, the Kiwis and Lyon so weight of probabilities says that it was out.

Anyway, test cricket - as this was - is a game of millimetres and relies on hours of concentration and application.  The Aussies were a wee bit beeta so they won by a slim margin.  Kiwis had the pick of the bowling periods and didn't do enough with it.

Neither am I fully. I picked that up only on the weekend reading articles.

If there's nothing on Snicko it creates doubt. That was the process the 3rd umpire went through on the telecast. Once he saw nothing on Snicko he then said that mark on hotspot, which isn't as reliable, could've been anything and gave the batsman the benefit. He spent 6 minutes analysing it trying to be sure.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 30, 2015, 01:22:16 PM
I think we were lucky to win and Lyon was out but thats test cricket, Santer dropped an easy catch that also could have changed the game but good teams takes their chances when offered....we have a bit more depth in bowling than the kiwis whose attack is built around swing and swing only...if it aint swinging then they are a just a bunch of medium pacers who are very hittable..
If we played three test in NZ where the ball swings a lot then they would probably have won the series...still plenty of holes in the Aussie lineup.....and Voges and the Marsh boys are a very rubbery middle order.

The West Indies are just rubbish and even without Starc I expect a 2-0 result....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 30, 2015, 02:42:28 PM
I think we were lucky to win and Lyon was out but thats test cricket, Santer dropped an easy catch that also could have changed the game but good teams takes their chances when offered....we have a bit more depth in bowling than the kiwis whose attack is built around swing and swing only...if it aint swinging then they are a just a bunch of medium pacers who a very hittable..
If we played three test in NZ where the ball swings a lot then they would probably have won the series...still plenty of holes in the Aussie lineup.....and Voges and the Marsh boys are a very rubbery middle order.

The West Indies are just rubbish and even without Starc I expect a 2-0 result....

Not sure if Lyon was out if there was nothing on Snicko. Hotpsot can is unreliable and was nearly dropped before the 2013 Ashes Series here for that reason. Snicko, much more reliable. Picks up anything. No spike so doubt it hit.

Fortunately for NZ Santner's chance didn't cost too much. Smith though dropped two the night before.

Think it's two Tests in NZ. Starc will enjoy the conditions. Middle order though is a worry. Bat ok dpwn the Voges then it's a worry. Don't have Johnson coming in at 8 to strenghen things.

The two Kiwi opening bowlers are world class. Been the cornerstone of alot more recent success for them, even in the UAE. We're the first to have beaten then for a while in a series. Bracewell is ok but that's where it stops.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: northernblue on November 30, 2015, 03:04:44 PM
You're sounding more and more like your little mate jimbo... Just keep repeating things and maybe someone will believe it as fact, but for mine it was out.
Very big get out of jail card for Aus.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 30, 2015, 03:59:22 PM
You're sounding more and more like your little mate jimbo... Just keep repeating things and maybe someone will believe it as fact, but for mine it was out.
Very big get out of jail card for Aus.

If Snicko doesn't pick it up it means there's a good chance he didn't hit or at the worst creates doubt. It's it considered by cricket officials to be more reliable than hotspot. No snicko creates doubt, means the batsman gets the benefit.

Hotspot sometimes doesn't pick up an edge when the batsman smashes it, other times picks up reflections. Snicko picks up everything. As i said, hotspot was nearly dropped in 2013 due to unreliabilty once Real Time Snicko come it. Let's face it, Hotspot isn't needed with Snicko.

http://www.theweek.co.uk/cricket/ashes/56165/ashes-hot-spot-recalled-snicko-umpires-feel-heat

It's easy to keep repeating stuff when it is right. Try it.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: northernblue on December 02, 2015, 01:29:15 AM
Try this one jimbo...

Top Stories: Decisive DRS decision against New Zealand was wrong, says ICC
http://ab.co/1StHBFq

Bozo...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on December 02, 2015, 11:43:04 AM
If it was Australia whining about the decision we'd be criticized for being sore losers.

.......but not those fluffy, cuddly Kiwis.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 02, 2015, 11:48:23 AM
Its cricket, swings and roundabouts....if you play the game long enough it usually evens out, Kiwis got unlucky this time but things will probably go their way next time, we were the better team through the series and the right result was achieved IMO....

Nathan Coulter Nile been selected with Siddle maybe in doubt....I'm sure our WA forum contingent will be happy but I cant work out what that selection has been based on given he hasnt played all season and has no form line to go by.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on December 02, 2015, 11:58:56 AM
Its cricket, swings and roundabouts....if you play the game long enough it usually evens out, Kiwis got unlucky this time but things will probably go their way next time, we were the better team through the series and the right result was achieved IMO....

Nathan Coulter Nile been selected with Siddle maybe in doubt....I'm sure our WA forum contingent will be happy but I cant work out what that selection has been based on given he hasnt played all season and has no form line to go by.

Nobody is more surprised than Coulter-Nile.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on December 03, 2015, 09:56:42 AM
Nobody is more surprised than Coulter-Nile.

Selected on a "gut feeling"........well, I'm sure guys like Jackson Bird are happy to know that they needn't bother taking truckloads of wickets anymore....as the selectors don't bother to look at that !
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on December 03, 2015, 11:35:52 AM
Selected on a "gut feeling"........well, I'm sure guys like Jackson Bird are happy to know that they needn't bother taking truckloads of wickets anymore....as the selectors don't bother to look at that !

I think Coulter-Nile has qualifications in massage therapy.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 03, 2015, 12:06:46 PM
Selected on a "gut feeling"........well, I'm sure guys like Jackson Bird are happy to know that they needn't bother taking truckloads of wickets anymore....as the selectors don't bother to look at that !

I think the selectors are panicking due to the loss of the lower order batting depth more than the loss of bowling.

The coming West Indies series is really only a risk to Australia if we don't make enough runs against the Windie's reasonable but shallow bowling attack. The Windies have two erratic bowlers who vary from very average to excellent but not much to back them up with.

Losing the batting of Johnson and Starc is a bigger loss for the coming months than the loss of their bowling.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 03, 2015, 12:38:48 PM
I think the selectors are panicking due to the loss of the lower order batting depth more than the loss of bowling.

The coming West Indies series is really only a risk to Australia if we don't make enough runs against the Windie's reasonable but shallow bowling attack. The Windies have two erratic bowlers who vary from very average to excellent but not much to back them up with.

Losing the batting of Johnson and Starc is a bigger loss for the coming months than the loss of their bowling.

Windies will be lucky to exceed 250 in any innings this series IMO....their batting is woeful...if the Marsh Bros and Voges cant make runs vs these chumps then they might as well give up playing cricket.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 03, 2015, 01:13:13 PM
Windies will be lucky to exceed 250 in any innings this series IMO....their batting is woeful...if the Marsh Bros and Voges cant make runs vs these chumps then they might as well give up playing cricket.

That's my whole point, the current selection is not about needing to take wickets with class bowlers, I think a bottom of the table Shield team could bowl out this Windies line-up.

The only danger to Australia is the two reasonable bowlers the Windies have on hand, but they cannot bowl every ball between them. So I suspect the Coulter-Nile selection is about giving the Australian team enough batting depth so that when the spuds roll their arm over Australia will score heavily putting the total out of the West Indies reach!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on December 03, 2015, 02:26:07 PM
That's my whole point, the current selection is not about needing to take wickets with class bowlers, I think a bottom of the table Shield team could bowl out this Windies line-up.

The only danger to Australia is the two reasonable bowlers the Windies have on hand, but they cannot bowl every ball between them. So I suspect the Coulter-Nile selection is about giving the Australian team enough batting depth so that when the spuds roll their arm over Australia will score heavily putting the total out of the West Indies reach!

I'd be panicking as well with Mitchell Marsh batting 6 !  Number 6 seems to be given very little respect lately as a critical batting position.....when in fact it can often be the most critical.  Greats of the past who made batting 6 & rebuilding shattered innings with tailenders an art form include:  Doug Walters, Allan Border, Steve Waugh......each of whom averaged high 40s to 50 batting at 6.

And we've currently got Mitchell Marsh.....

Tail starts at 6.


Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 03, 2015, 02:40:50 PM
I'd be panicking as well with Mitchell Marsh batting 6 !  Number 6 seems to be given very little respect lately as a critical batting position.....when in fact it can often be the most critical.  Greats of the past who made batting 6 & rebuilding shattered innings with tailenders an art form include:  Doug Walters, Allan Border, Steve Waugh......each of whom averaged high 40s to 50 batting at 6.

And we've currently got Mitchell Marsh.....

Tail starts at 6.

Rod Marsh is very big on Peter Nevill to bat at 6 and there is talk he will exceed Adam Gilchrist as a batsman/wicketkeeper..........not for me, Gilchrist is a class above Nevill and while the latter is handy I dont rate him No 6 material either. The shorter formats of the game have destroyed the techniques of batsman however Nevill does play straight and isnt prone to park cricket slogs like M Marsh so he might have more success at No 6 leaving Marsh to try and hit quick 50's at No 7 .....
The Marsh bros should enjoy the Windies attack...they only bowl two lengths....short and shorter....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on December 03, 2015, 02:46:00 PM
WE could pick the weakest 2 members from each Sheffield Shield side and still win the series.

Most NSW Grade teams would beat them.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on December 03, 2015, 03:13:51 PM
Rod Marsh is very big on Peter Nevill to bat at 6 and there is talk he will exceed Adam Gilchrist as a batsman/wicketkeeper..........not for me, Gilchrist is a class above Nevill and while the latter is handy I dont rate him No 6 material either. The shorter formats of the game have destroyed the techniques of batsman however Nevill does play straight and isnt prone to park cricket slogs like M Marsh so he might have more success at No 6 leaving Marsh to try and hit quick 50's at No 7 .....
The Marsh bros should enjoy the Windies attack...they only bowl two lengths....short and shorter....

Yep, and that will be the problem, They'll make a couple of scores against rubbish bowling & the selectors will all pat themselves on the back & say "see, we told you" & we'll be stuck with them for another year !
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on December 03, 2015, 03:49:00 PM
I hear all the doom-saying about West Indies Cricket, but we disrespect these guys at our peril. How many times have sides made assumptions that have come back to bite them on the posterior? Far too many for me!
At the moment the Windies do not look strong, but neither were the Kiwis in the 1st test.
Even if they are as weak as is reported, we must still not disrespect them. Instead we should use the serious to fix OUR holes. God knows we have them. Our fearsome pace attack has been crippled. Again. (Sounds like Carlton - the important guys can't stay out on the field.) Our batting is questionable. Where are the young tyros, the next generation of superstars? I don't see many.

Our Batting:
[1] Openers: We have a world class opener (Warner), but he is injured and we aren't treating him to get the best out of him long term. He was unimpressive last test while recovering.
The other opener had a good period, but has now failed 4 times in a row. Is he good enough? Good question, but he doesn't appear to appreciate the moving ball (but few batsmen do).
On the horizon is a young lad from WA that was highly touted. He hasn't made a single run yet at Sheffield Shield level this season.

We had a very good and stable opening partnership, but Rogers retired and Warner got injured. There are now questions.

[2] Khawaja: I hope his early good form is a sign that he has matured. We need a gritty guy at #3. His hamstring injury did not help, but he should be back soon. Hopefully he can regain that form, but he is still no certainty.

[3] Smith: Unlike last year, Smith seems to be getting himself out at the moment. I would prefer to see him bat at #4. He is a world class player.

[4] Middle order: Do we really have one?
Voges is doing OK, but he is not a long term option. Nor is he batting that way. He hasn't been able to stay around under pressure. I hope he can last a little longer, but I worry about how he will handle a world class attack, especially a spin attack. he tends to fall when we collapse, not stop the rot.
Mitch Marsh really needs to work on his batting. He doesn't seem to concentrate enough. We cannot afford him at #6 or #7 if he is going to give his wicket away. When he is on, there isn't a ground big enough in the world to contain him. But he hasn't come off yet. He needs to CONCENTRATE.
So does Shaun Marsh. Not for the first time he has done the hard yards to drop all confidence and not make the milestone. He also gives his wicket away too easily in his normal play. I am not sure what we can do for this guy, but he really does have talent. But we cannot afford a guy who fails under pressure.
Nevill I quite like. He may not be a crash and bash man, but he does have a bit of fight in him. We really need that. I'd like him to bat at #7, but that assumes we have a reasonable top 6. We may have to have him batting at #6, as Marsh has shown nothing there.

Our bowling: This wouldn't be s bad if we could keep guys on the field. How did the West Indies do it for so long? They never seemed to have injuries. Our young quicks can barely go a week without getting injured. The fact that our attack is still decent goes to show we do have some depth in our pace bowling. Not that things could not be better, but I am not going to complain.
Coulter-Nile was very lucky, but he has a chance to show something. I hope he does. I liked what Bird did not long back.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on December 03, 2015, 04:12:02 PM
I hear all the doom-saying about West Indies Cricket, but we disrespect these guys at our peril. How many times have sides made assumptions that have come back to bite them on the posterior? Far too many for me!
At the moment the Windies do not look strong, but neither were the Kiwis in the 1st test.
Even if they are as weak as is reported, we must still not disrespect them. Instead we should use the serious to fix OUR holes. God knows we have them. Our fearsome pace attack has been crippled. Again. (Sounds like Carlton - the important guys can't stay out on the field.) Our batting is questionable. Where are the young tyros, the next generation of superstars? I don't see many.

Our Batting:
[1] Openers: We have a world class opener (Warner), but he is injured and we aren't treating him to get the best out of him long term. He was unimpressive last test while recovering.
The other opener had a good period, but has now failed 4 times in a row. Is he good enough? Good question, but he doesn't appear to appreciate the moving ball (but few batsmen do).
On the horizon is a young lad from WA that was highly touted. He hasn't made a single run yet at Sheffield Shield level this season.

We had a very good and stable opening partnership, but Rogers retired and Warner got injured. There are now questions.

[2] Khawaja: I hope his early good form is a sign that he has matured. We need a gritty guy at #3. His hamstring injury did not help, but he should be back soon. Hopefully he can regain that form, but he is still no certainty.

[3] Smith: Unlike last year, Smith seems to be getting himself out at the moment. I would prefer to see him bat at #4. He is a world class player.

[4] Middle order: Do we really have one?
Voges is doing OK, but he is not a long term option. Nor is he batting that way. He hasn't been able to stay around under pressure. I hope he can last a little longer, but I worry about how he will handle a world class attack, especially a spin attack. he tends to fall when we collapse, not stop the rot.
Mitch Marsh really needs to work on his batting. He doesn't seem to concentrate enough. We cannot afford him at #6 or #7 if he is going to give his wicket away. When he is on, there isn't a ground big enough in the world to contain him. But he hasn't come off yet. He needs to CONCENTRATE.
So does Shaun Marsh. Not for the first time he has done the hard yards to drop all confidence and not make the milestone. He also gives his wicket away too easily in his normal play. I am not sure what we can do for this guy, but he really does have talent. But we cannot afford a guy who fails under pressure.
Nevill I quite like. He may not be a crash and bash man, but he does have a bit of fight in him. We really need that. I'd like him to bat at #7, but that assumes we have a reasonable top 6. We may have to have him batting at #6, as Marsh has shown nothing there.

Our bowling: This wouldn't be s bad if we could keep guys on the field. How did the West Indies do it for so long? They never seemed to have injuries. Our young quicks can barely go a week without getting injured. The fact that our attack is still decent goes to show we do have some depth in our pace bowling. Not that things could not be better, but I am not going to complain.
Coulter-Nile was very lucky, but he has a chance to show something. I hope he does. I liked what Bird did not long back.

Crash,

Unless they've uncovered a new Viv, Clive, Desmond and Gordon they are NOOOOOOOOOOOOO chance.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on December 03, 2015, 04:25:15 PM
Oh, I agree they are not looking good. But we really cannot afford to treat them like faeces.

To be honest, cricket in the West Indies needs a lot of work. They are losing talent to games like basketball and there is so much infighting that it is difficult to see any decision not in that context. The players are not getting the money they once did, so many are becoming specialists at the shorter forms of the game as cricket mercenaries. I can understand all of that.
But if we take them lightly, they may well do a Zimbabwe and shock us out of games. We are not strong enough ourselves to be disrespecting opponents, even ones going as poorly as the Windies at the moment. It is not necessary, nor is it helpful. We need to get our own act together, first and foremost.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on December 03, 2015, 11:05:19 PM
Barring weather, 3-0, who's next
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 11, 2015, 12:12:32 PM
Aus 3/538.......the tourists are just that...tourists, they couldnt give a rats ar$e about test cricket....Boxing Day test should be free on the 3rd day as thats how long the game will go for....wonder if the Mont Albert  2nd eleven could be persuaded to play that test as they would provide more opposition.
Ian Chappell has been scathing of the Windies.....dont reckon they will exist in 5 years time, their islands are more interested in their own Premier league games and T20 cricket and of course their decent players only want to play IPL....

ICC need to find another test playing nation....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on December 11, 2015, 12:19:19 PM
Aus 3/538.......the tourists are just that...tourists, they couldnt give a rats ar$e about test cricket....Boxing Day test should be free on the 3rd day as thats how long the game will go for....wonder if the Mont Albert  2nd eleven could be persuaded to play that test as they would provide more opposition.
Ian Chappell has been scathing of the Windies.....dont reckon they will exist in 5 years time, their islands are more interested in their own Premier league games and T20 cricket and of course their decent players only want to play IPL....

ICC need to find another test playing nation....

This might sound like a crazy idea, but I think CA should consider buying or setting up a cricket academy in the Windies.

They have a rich history and the Oz public has always gone to watch them in droves.

The revenue lost in crowds and TV audiences dropping off would be costing a lot more.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Amers on December 11, 2015, 12:19:49 PM
Yep, records falling left right and center, by 2 batsmen who don't have that great a record says more about how poor the West Indies are than how good these batsmen are.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on December 11, 2015, 02:44:34 PM
Yep, records falling left right and center, by 2 batsmen who don't have that great a record says more about how poor the West Indies are than how good these batsmen are.

Yet they did what they did where others - Warner et al, Smith fell cheaply.

Voges averages close to 70 - some respect for that!!!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 11, 2015, 03:21:24 PM
Yet they did what they did where others - Warner et al, Smith fell cheaply.

Voges averages close to 70 - some respect for that!!!

I'm not bagging Voges and Marsh but it's a fair point Amers makes.

Making runs against this West Indian team should almost be devalued 2:1, at one stage they were going at 6 runs an over in a test match!

Warner and Smith have made significant amounts of runs against some of the world's top rated bowlers in a variety of conditions.

Voges and Marsh have some way to go before they can claim the same level of kudos, as batsmen they might consider themselves lucky that they got a gig against this team when perhaps Bancroft or Klinger might have started to cement a spot in similar circumstances!

Burns won't be happy after getting a start!

The same can be said for our bowlers, but in some degree the bowlers risk is inverted. Not taking wickets against this lot might end your career, but at the same time taking a bag probably isn't worth much!

It seems playing the West Indies is all risk with very little reward.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on December 11, 2015, 08:32:09 PM
You look at the West Indies team and you see a team with no self belief and no confidence. They don't believe they can win. The result, therefore, tends to be clear.
They remind me of what we were playing like under Malthouse early this year: worried about making a mistake and going through the motions.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 11, 2015, 08:47:51 PM
Just slightly off topic, but I watched the Cricket Show yesterday and was amazed. Ian Healy had a junior teenage cricket player practice some wicket keeping, while Healy hit cricket balls at him. The way he instructed the junior with catching skills was great to watch. Teaching the junior how to move his feet and what side of the body to take the ball depending on where the stumps were placed. His instructions were very precise and attention to detail. He spoke clearly and explained exactly why skills are practiced in a certain way. He would make an excellent keeping coach. Even if Slater had a spin on fielding with some advice himself, Ian would explain a more preferred technique and why it is a better drill. He is a clever man and was a great cricket player. Especially as a keeper with batting ability to add. ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 11, 2015, 09:46:01 PM
This might sound like a crazy idea, but I think CA should consider buying or setting up a cricket academy in the Windies.

They have a rich history and the Oz public has always gone to watch them in droves.

The revenue lost in crowds and TV audiences dropping off would be costing a lot more.

I dont think it is a crazy idea and IMO the richer test playing nations like India, England and us should contribute to a Windies academy...
Unlike the old days less Windies players are involved in county cricket hence they dont get to hone their techniques and it affects their ability to perform at test level.
Its just all T20 park cricket for them and the lucrative T20 comps around the world...they need incentive to train and play the longer form of the game....maybe some county cricket scholarships
would help as well as a modern academy staffed by past greats....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: PaulP on December 12, 2015, 02:54:33 PM
The Calypso kids become the Collapso kids.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 12, 2015, 09:33:08 PM
Back when Viv Richards, Clive Lloyd, Desmond Haynes, Gordon Greenidge, Malcolm Holding, Joel Garner were playing the West Indies were the best cricket nation in the world at any form of the game. Now look look very green and ordinary playing cricket. That doesn't worry me though.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Amers on December 14, 2015, 12:33:33 AM
Yet they did what they did where others - Warner et al, Smith fell cheaply.

Voges averages close to 70 - some respect for that!!!

Yeah, and what was it before his innings in Tasmania?!!  :P

But seriously, 70 is a good average, I wasn't aware of that, he is still pretty young in his Test career and for me at least hadn't proven a whole lot before his last inning.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Amers on December 14, 2015, 12:35:14 AM
Just slightly off topic, but I watched the Cricket Show yesterday and was amazed. Ian Healy had a junior teenage cricket player practice some wicket keeping, while Healy hit cricket balls at him. The way he instructed the junior with catching skills was great to watch. Teaching the junior how to move his feet and what side of the body to take the ball depending on where the stumps were placed. His instructions were very precise and attention to detail. He spoke clearly and explained exactly why skills are practiced in a certain way. He would make an excellent keeping coach. Even if Slater had a spin on fielding with some advice himself, Ian would explain a more preferred technique and why it is a better drill. He is a clever man and was a great cricket player. Especially as a keeper with batting ability to add. ;)

Yeah, enjoyed watching that....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 27, 2015, 07:42:24 PM
The ACB should send this Windies team home and give the gate money back to the poor patrons who have been hoodwinked into parting with their hard earned to watch
the garbage that these con artists are dishing out....6/91 chasing another 500 plus score...
They must be on the take ie Paki cricketers, no team can be this woeful and so non competitive....they swagger like the old Windies team, wear the same amount of bling as the old Windies but thats where the similarity ends ...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on December 27, 2015, 07:47:21 PM
Only went yesterday because ny kids were representing the renegades and the lack of pressure due to inconsistent bowling and pedestrian fielding strategy stood out.  They wouldn't beat club sides at the moment... Kids not ready, no senior leadership and some going at half rat power.... Sound familiar?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 27, 2015, 07:52:31 PM
The ACB should send this Windies team home and give the gate money back to the poor patrons who have been hoodwinked into parting with their hard earned to watch
the garbage that these con artists are dishing out....6/91 chasing another 500 plus score...
They must be on the take ie Paki cricketers, no team can be this woeful and so non competitive....they swagger like the old Windies team, wear the same amount of bling as the old Windies but thats where the similarity ends ...

I think that it's more of an indication of the 21st century political, social and economic realities in the Caribbean.  If the West Indies is ever to be a cricketing force again, the ICC really needs to take action to reform the West Indies Cricket Board and revive interest in the longer forms of the game.  A strong West Indies is good for world cricket.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 27, 2015, 08:24:25 PM
I think that it's more of an indication of the 21st century political, social and economic realities in the Caribbean.  If the West Indies is ever to be a cricketing force again, the ICC really needs to take action to reform the West Indies Cricket Board and revive interest in the longer forms of the game.  A strong West Indies is good for world cricket.

The locals have more interest in their Premier league 20/20 local comp that gets played between the islands than they do in the traditional formats, why would you want to play test cricket and
get paid peanuts when the short format specialists get so much more?......not many Windies players in county cricket anymore, they dont want to learn how to play the longer formats of the game that require technique and more hard work to learn.

These blokes cant even field properly..its comical watching them ....the IPL has stuffed Test Cricket for the poorer nations IMO, only hope is if the ICC pump more money into the longer game but with India holding the whip hand at the ICC table and running the IPL its not going to happen and I fear we may lose the Windies as a test playing team..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 27, 2015, 09:01:39 PM
The locals have more interest in their Premier league 20/20 local comp that gets played between the islands than they do in the traditional formats, why would you want to play test cricket and
get paid peanuts when the short format specialists get so much more?......not many Windies players in county cricket anymore, they dont want to learn how to play the longer formats of the game that require technique and more hard work to learn.

These blokes cant even field properly..its comical watching them ....the IPL has stuffed Test Cricket for the poorer nations IMO, only hope is if the ICC pump more money into the longer game but with India holding the whip hand at the ICC table and running the IPL its not going to happen and I fear we may lose the Windies as a test playing team..

I think that will be inevitable unless the ICC takes action to rein in the IPL and support Caribbean cricket . . . and that's unlikely to happen.

Perhaps the long term saviour will be the re-kindled interest in cricket in the USA.  I read that it is one of the fastest growing games and there is a demand for expats to both teach and bolster the game.  Of course, it will be vital to ensure that it's the longer forms of the game that take off.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 27, 2015, 09:04:59 PM
The locals have more interest in their Premier league 20/20 local comp that gets played between the islands than they do in the traditional formats, why would you want to play test cricket and
get paid peanuts when the short format specialists get so much more?......not many Windies players in county cricket anymore, they dont want to learn how to play the longer formats of the game that require technique and more hard work to learn.

These blokes cant even field properly..its comical watching them ....the IPL has stuffed Test Cricket for the poorer nations IMO, only hope is if the ICC pump more money into the longer game but with India holding the whip hand at the ICC table and running the IPL its not going to happen and I fear we may lose the Windies as a test playing team..

I think you are on the ball, there are rumblings behind the scenes of a move by the old establishment to formulate a rescue package, primarily the Windies talking with England, Australia and Sth Africa. But it's hard to see where the money will come from, the Windies themselves are reported to be almost broke and the other nations are almost dependant on India.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 27, 2015, 09:32:03 PM
LP and DJ.....a rescue package will have to be independent of the ICC IMO and organised by countries like Australia, England and South Africa...

The USA cricket push has merit and interest and I have no doubt the ICC would love to have a team playing out of the US and foster the game there.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 27, 2015, 10:02:54 PM
The USA cricket push has merit and interest and I have no doubt the ICC would love to have a team playing out of the US and foster the game there.

Do not know about the USA, but there was a massive push on a few years back to get Sth America involved. I know Columbia, Venezuela and Argentina had teams back in the early 2000s and competed in a Sth American Championship. Columbia and Venezuela produced a few county cricketers.

This list is not current cricket countries, but it is a list of countries where you can subscribe to watch cricket on streaming services so I assume it has some following in those locations.

https://www.cricketwireless.com/support/plans-and-features/international-features/customer/international-countries.html
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 27, 2015, 10:10:25 PM
The West Indies are a very sad case indeed. Imagine they had Holding, Garner, Marshal, Richards, Lloyd, Haynes, Greenidge, Logie, Walsh, Lara and now they have what ?? What they are displaying on the field is a very sad story considering so many greats of the past are still watching. 20/20 cricket is potentially destroying the best game in the world apart from AFL football. Test cricket has always been the ultimate form of the sport. One day format is very entertaining, especially with Gilchrist/Warner types putting on a great show. However test cricket on Boxing day is just great to watch. Boring when I see what the Windies are about at the moment. I can't even call it a joke. How people justify the ticket entry fee is beyond me.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on December 27, 2015, 11:44:01 PM
I disagree. I drove my son 2 hours to the G today. Saw the best batsman in the world make a ton, and a 36 year old do the same and bring up his 1000 runs in a calendar year, when he probably thought his chances were over a couple of years ago. Then we watched Australia's best ever off spinner take a couple of wickets, and two Victorian quicks pick up a couple of wickets each, including one on a hat trick. It was a great day. The best bit was we were chatting walking out of the great stadium about how we are used to seeing one-sided contests at the G, but this time the 2 hour drive home was going to be a lot more fun than usual!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 28, 2015, 10:17:51 AM
I disagree. I drove my son 2 hours to the G today. Saw the best batsman in the world make a ton, and a 36 year old do the same and bring up his 1000 runs in a calendar year, when he probably thought his chances were over a couple of years ago. Then we watched Australia's best ever off spinner take a couple of wickets, and two Victorian quicks pick up a couple of wickets each, including one on a hat trick. It was a great day. The best bit was we were chatting walking out of the great stadium about how we are used to seeing one-sided contests at the G, but this time the 2 hour drive home was going to be a lot more fun than usual!

Did you see a contest Jack?.......the worlds best batsman on paper made runs vs the worlds worst attack that had to bowl part time spinners to make the over rate happen....
I enjoyed Pattinson bowling...pace with reverse swing...thats worth seeing...
Nathan Lyon ..Aus best offie?.....not for me...I'd have Ashley Mallet ahead of him as a bowler and Mallet was a gun gully fielder as well
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 28, 2015, 12:19:44 PM
Did you see a contest Jack?.......the worlds best batsman on paper made runs vs the worlds worst attack that had to bowl part time spinners to make the over rate happen....
I enjoyed Pattinson bowling...pace with reverse swing...thats worth seeing...
Nathan Lyon ..Aus best offie?.....not for me...I'd have Ashley Mallet ahead of him as a bowler and Mallet was a gun gully fielder as well

Lyon is our most successful off spinner in terms of wickets taken but I wouldn't say he's our best.  It's hard to compare players from different eras but I would rank Lyon 4th or 5th with Trumble, Mallett and Johnson ahead of him and Yardley fighting it out with him for 4th spot.

While it hasn't been much of a contest, there has been plenty of action and the home side doing well is always decent entertainment, particularly for young folk.  Hopefully, the Windies will be a little more competitive today.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on December 28, 2015, 04:38:06 PM
IMO Lyons last 18 months make him the best offie we've had.

Playing on decks that give nothing and bats like railway sleepers.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Jack Burton on December 28, 2015, 05:16:55 PM
You're missing the point EB. When you do the 2 hour drive each way every week, it feels so good to walk away feeling happy!!!!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on December 28, 2015, 07:35:08 PM
Mallett is the best off-spinner I've seen in Australia, but Lyon has improved one helluva lot recentlu to the point of being not too much behind him.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 28, 2015, 10:36:28 PM
Mallett is the best off-spinner I've seen in Australia, but Lyon has improved one helluva lot recentlu to the point of being not too much behind him.

I rated Mallet better because he played in a tougher era of cricket IMO....happy to agree that Lyon has improved though and I guess the stats back Lyon of recent times but bowling to Graeme Pollock and Barry Richards is a bit different than rolling the arm over vs Marlon Samuels and Darren Bravo....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on December 29, 2015, 09:05:09 PM
Now the 2nd test has been won and the Windies have shown some fight, there may be a little less trash talk. Then again, there may not.
I really did a number on Warner: he has barely made a run against the Windies. However, statistically he usually starts a season strongly and fizzles somewhat towards the end. That has certainly been the case this season.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 29, 2015, 09:20:00 PM
Now the 2nd test has been won and the Windies have shown some fight, there may be a little less trash talk. Then again, there may not.
I really did a number on Warner: he has barely made a run against the Windies. However, statistically he usually starts a season strongly and fizzles somewhat towards the end. That has certainly been the case this season.

They did fight back better, but we missed some opportunities. Not confident they will do well up at Sydney. We will be missing Siddle with foot issues. If Warner finds any of his form come back, he will rip the Windies bowling line up a new one for sure.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 30, 2015, 12:01:31 AM
Pattinson, Hazlewood, Lyon, Marsh and another spinner in Sydney; probably O'Keefe?

I'd go with Maxwell but that's probably too left field.  Besides, O'Keefe is a New South Welshman  ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on December 30, 2015, 12:47:44 AM
For the dead rubber I'd like to see Agar get his chance on home soil.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Mantis on December 30, 2015, 10:35:34 PM
Interesting to hear the commentators talk about the "drop in" pitches and how they offer so much more for the batting sides than the bowlers. How they hold together much better over 5 days. I also remember the SCG and how it started to fall apart with huge cracks already into day 4. Therefore giving the side batting last on day 5 plenty of problems out in the middle. A real spinners track to say the least. How technology has changed the game over many years.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 01, 2016, 02:04:31 PM
Talk of a Test Cricket Grand final played after a 24 month cycle of test matches between all nations and the top 2 playing off...also players being allowed to play for different countries under certain conditions ie Kevin Petiersen who is a gun for hire after being discarded by England would be allow to play for minnow countries like Zimbabwe, West Indies etc to make them competitive and give valuable experience....

The Test Grand final I would support but less enthused about players changing countries....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 01, 2016, 02:38:14 PM
Talk of a Test Cricket Grand final played after a 24 month cycle of test matches between all nations and the top 2 playing off...also players being allowed to play for different countries under certain conditions ie Kevin Petiersen who is a gun for hire after being discarded by England would be allow to play for minnow countries like Zimbabwe, West Indies etc to make them competitive and give valuable experience....

The Test Grand final I would support but less enthused about players changing countries....

Yes, if you can change countries just like that, the countries become glorified club sides.

A Test Grand Final sounds ok but it could just end up like the Shield Final. The home side creating the flattest of tracks so a draw is good enough to give them the title.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on January 01, 2016, 02:47:06 PM
The Test Grand final I would support but less enthused about players changing countries....

Tend to agree. Could open a Pandora's box of problems which (like FA in the AFL ) could see players chasing coin ahead of representing their country at test level. It would also harm traditions such as the baggy green.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on January 01, 2016, 03:30:53 PM
The Test Grand final I would support but less enthused about players changing countries....

Wessels did it twice!

I think the idea has merit but there would have to be some well thought out conditions.

For someone like Pieterson, who is good enough but has been blacklisted, an opportunity to play and influence a struggling Test side would be good for cricket.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 01, 2016, 10:35:51 PM
Wessels did it twice!

I think the idea has merit but there would have to be some well thought out conditions.

For someone like Pieterson, who is good enough but has been blacklisted, an opportunity to play and influence a struggling Test side would be good for cricket.

You can change countries now after a waiting period of a few years but just to change countries willy nilly turns it into a glorified club competition.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on January 01, 2016, 11:24:16 PM
You can change countries now after a waiting period of a few years but just to change countries willy nilly turns it into a glorified club competition.

Yes, I agree that it shouldn't be open slather.  However, once players are told that they are no longer required, like Pieterson, it should be possible for them to play with one other Test playing country.

There's something similar in T20 cricket with Dirk Nannes playing for the Netherlands.  Of course, he has Dutch citizenship through his parents and played for Australia after playing for the Netherlands.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 02, 2016, 01:11:30 PM
Yes, I agree that it shouldn't be open slather.  However, once players are told that they are no longer required, like Pieterson, it should be possible for them to play with one other Test playing country.

There's something similar in T20 cricket with Dirk Nannes playing for the Netherlands.  Of course, he has Dutch citizenship through his parents and played for Australia after playing for the Netherlands.

Only if it were to help the minnow countries like Zimbabwe. Not, say, to Australia, for example though unless they've gone through the qualifying period.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on January 02, 2016, 03:50:23 PM
Only if it were to help the minnow countries like Zimbabwe. Not, say, to Australia, for example though unless they've gone through the qualifying period.

Exactly! Blokes who aren't considered by the top 3 or 4 teams can play for a minnow country but the nationalisation and residential rules would still apply for everyone else.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on January 02, 2016, 07:42:10 PM
Probably been said a dozen times but geez the Big Bash commentary is miles better than Ch9. Too much Mark Nickolas and James Brayshaw crap on 9.
Pointing, Flemming etc do a great job
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on January 02, 2016, 08:27:11 PM
Probably been said a dozen times but geez the Big Bash commentary is miles better than Ch9. Too much Mark Nickolas and James Brayshaw crap on 9.
Pointing, Flemming etc do a great job

My next door neighbour is running the show for Ten.  He reckons he's too old to be flying round the country and staying up late.  He didn't finish work at Docklands until 2am the other night!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on January 02, 2016, 08:34:30 PM
My next door neighbour is running the show for Ten.  He reckons he's too old to be flying round the country and staying up late.  He didn't finish work at Docklands until 2am the other night!

Tell him he's doing a great job.
Can't stand the footy show/MMM style crap on 9.
I think the success of BB will see them review it.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on January 02, 2016, 08:43:50 PM
Tell him he's doing a great job.
Can't stand the footy show/MMM style crap on 9.
I think the success of BB will see them review it.

How's it rating?

I like the coverage although they do get carried away sometimes and forget there's a game on.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: dodge on January 02, 2016, 10:24:25 PM
The big difference is that 20/20 is entertainment that happens to be cricket and the commentary reflects that really well- it doesn't matter if the aren't 45 replays of one ball,  or that they don't always talk about what we can obviously see.   Test cricket is a game first and entertainment second, with the commentary being neither.

I don't know if I could listen to 6 hours of 20/20 commentary on a test match, but I do know I can't listen to the current ch 9 efforts.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 03, 2016, 10:17:54 AM
I like Adam Gilchrist and Damien Fleming commentating in the BB but Mark Waugh winds me up and all I see is a horse racing scam artist and Ricky Ponting says little of value while sucking on his Swisse Multivites.....Andy Maher and Mark Howard wouldnt know one end of a bat from the other and Freddie Flintoff should have been left in the African Jungle with a few other celebs..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: cimm1979 on January 03, 2016, 11:43:14 AM
agree with most of that EB.

Freddys routine wears a bit thin pretty quick.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 04, 2016, 08:50:41 AM
England the lazy 629 vs the Saffies....Stokes 258, Bairstow 150...the Saffies have really come back to the field...to be fair no Steyn and Philander but both  those two probably dont have long in the long format of the game...
Stokes I rate(128 in one session???) but if little Jonny is making 150 then you know times are tough in SA cricket....
Graeme Smith might get that phone call to come back very soon IMO....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 04, 2016, 12:13:19 PM
The next tier of players simply haven't come on EB, Faf and Duminy just aren't consistent enough.

Maybe Broad and Ali are better than people give them credit for.

On another topic Maxwell etal. Like to bag Melbourne weather.  How much time was lost to drizzle in the last test Jim?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on January 04, 2016, 01:53:50 PM
Can't stand Jim Maxwell... should be pensioned off.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 04, 2016, 02:21:36 PM
The next tier of players simply haven't come on EB, Faf and Duminy just aren't consistent enough.

Maybe Broad and Ali are better than people give them credit for.

On another topic Maxwell etal. Like to bag Melbourne weather.  How much time was lost to drizzle in the last test Jim?

No Depth in the Saffie local comp Prof...and they are disadvantaged by the quota system...

Broad is an excellent player and a bloke like Ali is very handy but they have not had much to beat...

Jim Maxwell is probably due for retirement...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 04, 2016, 02:55:50 PM
No Depth in the Saffie local comp Prof...and they are disadvantaged by the quota system...

Broad is an excellent player and a bloke like Ali is very handy but they have not had much to beat...

Jim Maxwell is probably due for retirement...

England and Australia are probably the best two teams around at the moment. Saffers are struggling and I don't include India while they cheat and doctor up their wickets. No that many sides are playing well away, India are really ordinary away from home.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 04, 2016, 03:39:36 PM
The bloke who really should be pensioned off is Mike Coward, gees he dribbles on.  At least Skull was funny, I miss his jokes and funky laugh.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on January 04, 2016, 04:14:26 PM
No Depth in the Saffie local comp Prof...and they are disadvantaged by the quota system...

Broad is an excellent player and a bloke like Ali is very handy but they have not had much to beat...

Jim Maxwell is probably due for retirement...

Ali will be smashed out here, they'll need to decide if they want to carry him as a batsman then.  England will be in the position Saffers are in when Broad & Anderson are gone.....Aussies already going through that transition phase having lost Johnston & Harris & are getting good matches into Hazelwood & Pattinson.  Will Broad & Ando still be around for the return Ashes series out here ?  Broad probably, Anderson ?????

Will be interesting.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on January 04, 2016, 04:25:08 PM
The bloke who really should be pensioned off is Mike Coward, gees he dribbles on.  At least Skull was funny, I miss his jokes and funky laugh.

What's worse is, we now have to listen to Gerard Whately
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 04, 2016, 08:43:46 PM
Ali will be smashed out here, they'll need to decide if they want to carry him as a batsman then.  England will be in the position Saffers are in when Broad & Anderson are gone.....Aussies already going through that transition phase having lost Johnston & Harris & are getting good matches into Hazelwood & Pattinson.  Will Broad & Ando still be around for the return Ashes series out here ?  Broad probably, Anderson ?????

Will be interesting.

Anderson is/will be gone and Broad probably in the twilight of his career by then...agree on Ali as a bowler but he was probably more of a nuisance as a batsman and we didnt know how to handle him...that No 7 or No 8 who can keep out the good ones but smash the rest is very handy as Carlos Brathwaite is showing and they might carry Ali as a batter and part time spinner.
Not convinced Pattinson can last a hard test series or two in a row yet and ditto for Starc...Hazelwood is very Siddle like but can be carted with his lack of real pace...like to see Cummins back but he is another who cant stay on the park. Interesting to see Paris picked in the ODI team....I really like Behrendorff though and reckon he has been unlucky not to play for Aus in a few formats...good pace, swings the ball and is accurate...be a handful in English conditions IMO...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on January 04, 2016, 09:59:29 PM
The bloke who really should be pensioned off is Mike Coward, gees he dribbles on. At least Skull was funny, I miss his jokes and funky laugh.

His anecdotes would have been a godsend for this summers test series. Here's a skull classic for old times sake.

https://www.youtube.com/v/5Y3AXzZqg2k

With Harsha......

https://www.youtube.com/v/_Y3rTOPNulI
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 27, 2016, 11:55:33 AM
re: Chris Gayle....been in the news for mainly the wrong reasons, however he does have some redeeming qualities it seems, my eldest daughter and her boyfriend were invited along to one of his mates birthday parties....happens this bloke is good friends with CG who rocked up and paid for the entire evening and was a gentleman to all concerned..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on February 13, 2016, 09:33:21 PM
Should Voges retire - tonight?

Averaging 100 in Test cricket.....gets out early tomorrow still averages a very healthy 92 odd.

It would mean immortality!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 13, 2016, 09:35:16 PM
Should Voges retire - tonight?

Averaging 100 in Test cricket.....gets out early tomorrow still averages a very healthy 92 odd.

It would mean immortality!

The Don and the Voge......think the latter will keep playing and get as many tests as he can but its a good point you make and he has taken his chances
even when he has been out but survived by dubious umpiring....how did they get that Bracewell no ball so wrong?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on February 13, 2016, 10:10:27 PM
Man of the match should be the skipper for winning the toss.

Voges making a zillion masks the facts that Warner is way off the boil (again), Burns continues to get out in stupid ways and Marsh can't bat at test level.

Its been a long summer and a few blokes are wilting... don't expect anything at the world 20/20 slog and celebrate competition.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on February 13, 2016, 10:21:42 PM
Man of the match should be the skipper for winning the toss.

Voges making a zillion masks the facts that Warner is way off the boil (again), Burns continues to get out in stupid ways and Marsh can't bat at test level.

Its been a long summer and a few blokes are wilting... don't expect anything at the world 20/20 slog and celebrate competition.

Skipper certainly made the right call.

Warner doesn't seem to off the boil. One failure doesn't do that. Averaging 51.34 and his last few series have been pretty good. Marsh does need to make more runs. Bowling well and at pace but if he bats 6 then he needs to average 35 being an allrounder. Maybe bat him at 7 and Nevill at 6.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on February 13, 2016, 11:10:12 PM
Skipper certainly made the right call.

Warner doesn't seem to off the boil. One failure doesn't do that. Averaging 51.34 and his last few series have been pretty good. Marsh does need to make more runs. Bowling well and at pace but if he bats 6 then he needs to average 35 being an allrounder. Maybe bat him at 7 and Nevill at 6.

Let's just pick the right player and not create another Watto.
If he can't bat top 6 find someone who can, and as good as Neville is with the gloves he's no number 6.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: raven on February 17, 2016, 02:55:09 PM
Marsh aint a top 5 bowler nor a top 6 bat in the country, hence he should not be in our test side.

Simple as that.

Am enjoying reading up on Lyon's continued excellent work as our best offie. Not bad for a former groundsman from Adelaide.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on February 17, 2016, 06:56:15 PM
Let's just pick the right player and not create another Watto.
If he can't bat top 6 find someone who can, and as good as Neville is with the gloves he's no number 6.

Nevill does average 42 in first class cricket, 70 matches, 6 centuries, 19 50's and a high score of 235, so probably could bat 6. Often opened the batting for NSW in the 50 over One-dayers.

Marsh is an excellent 5th bowling option hence happy to give him time but he'll want to do it soon. Symonds was similar, batted so badly that the Poms called him a professional fieldsman until he hit them for 150. From there he didn't look back and averaged over 40. just hoping Marsh can have that breakthrough innings and do the same. He has the ability but not the confidence. Doesn't want to leave it too long though.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on February 17, 2016, 06:57:57 PM
Marsh aint a top 5 bowler nor a top 6 bat in the country, hence he should not be in our test side.

Simple as that.


Where's the 5th bowler come from then. He's a beauty as a 5th bowler, just need him to find confidence with the bat.  Like I said above he best not take too long about it though.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 17, 2016, 08:47:16 PM
Where's the 5th bowler come from then. He's a beauty as a 5th bowler, just need him to find confidence with the bat.  Like I said above he best not take too long about it though.

Agree..I like M. Marsh as the 5th bowler. gets wickets when others are struggling....needs a season or two playing county cricket to tighten up the technique for test cricket...he is what the system made him by doing his apprenticeship in the shorter formats of the game..

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on February 17, 2016, 08:53:29 PM
Agree..I like M. Marsh as the 5th bowler. gets wickets when others are struggling....needs a season or two playing county cricket to tighten up the technique for test cricket...he is what the system made him by doing his apprenticeship in the shorter formats of the game..

I tend to agree; he's a decent 5th bowling but needs to improve his batting before he can be classed as a genuine allrounder. 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on February 18, 2016, 08:58:36 AM
Where's the 5th bowler come from then. He's a beauty as a 5th bowler, just need him to find confidence with the bat.  Like I said above he best not take too long about it though.

I like him too. Can bowl 140+ and take wickets - surprised how often he's underbowled actually.

Then again, is he a better bet than Faulkner?

Mitch - http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/272450.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/272450.html)

or James - http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/270484.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/270484.html)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on February 18, 2016, 09:09:43 AM
Agree..I like M. Marsh as the 5th bowler. gets wickets when others are struggling....needs a season or two playing county cricket to tighten up the technique for test cricket...he is what the system made him by doing his apprenticeship in the shorter formats of the game..

He should take a few blokes with him.
Burns and Warner could do with a season or two.
Would be nice to go over there next time with blokes that know the conditions.
It's hard to believe that Shaun Marsh had never played in England before last winter
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on February 18, 2016, 02:20:08 PM
I like him too. Can bowl 140+ and take wickets - surprised how often he's underbowled actually.

Then again, is he a better bet than Faulkner?

Mitch - http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/272450.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/272450.html)

or James - http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/270484.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/270484.html)

Yeah, as much as I hate to say it (coming from tassie), Marsh has just got more penetration than Faulkner for Test cricket.  James is just too slow & doesn't do enough with it for the long form of the game.  Batting wise, they're probably on a par.  Mind you, neither of them are good enough to bat #6 in the test side ATM.  Puts an awful lot of pressure on your top 5, particularly without the likes of Johnson, Starc, Harris to bolster runs from the tail !

What's the answer ?  I don't know.  If Marsh can get it up to averaging over 30 with the bat, he's probably doing enough to keep his spot.  Flintoff only averaged 31.....and 32 with the ball, on the back on one decent series.  good solid test all-rounders are about the same mark, 30 with both.

On another note, hopefully Patto can steam in & get his pace up in the 2nd test in NZ......and that Bird can bowl with in a lot better grouping than he did in the 1st !

cheers

Mal.


Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: raven on February 19, 2016, 11:15:36 AM
Faulkener at 7, Nevill at 6 works for me.

But surely our top 4 bowlers can take the ten wickets (maybe 10overs per day from the likes of Smith and Warner if needed...) Then you can play a batsmen at 6.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 20, 2016, 03:35:25 PM
Brendon McCullum in his last test has gone berserk in NZ and hit the quickest century ever(145), along with his mate Corey the slogger Anderson they have cleared or hit the the boundary more times than I have seen in an innings...it was T20 stuff at test level.....NZ all out 370 and Aus 1 for 37 in reply(Warner out)..Kiwis may just get up and win this one for McCullum..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on February 20, 2016, 05:38:33 PM
Brendon McCullum in his last test has gone berserk in NZ and hit the quickest century ever(145), along with his mate Corey the slogger Anderson they have cleared or hit the the boundary more times than I have seen in an innings...it was T20 stuff at test level.....NZ all out 370 and Aus 1 for 37 in reply(Warner out)..Kiwis may just get up and win this one for McCullum..

With BM dropped how many times (and 1 no ball wicket)?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on February 20, 2016, 07:40:27 PM
Patterson - wicket from a NB again... epitome of stupidity.

Warner out early again - mind ain't on the job IMO.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 20, 2016, 09:39:27 PM
With BM dropped how many times (and 1 no ball wicket)?

Aus fielding isnt what it used be and no ball wickets seem a feature of test cricket these days.....Bracewell got dudded the last test with a reverse no ball wicket..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on February 20, 2016, 10:47:04 PM
Aus fielding isnt what it used be and no ball wickets seem a feature of test cricket these days.....Bracewell got dudded the last test with a reverse no ball wicket..

It was a ripper catch off the no-ball!

You'd think the bowlers would work just a little harder on getting their run ups right, particularly with the punishment dished out by reprieved batsmen.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on February 21, 2016, 02:57:16 PM
It was a ripper catch off the no-ball!

You'd think the bowlers would work just a little harder on getting their run ups right, particularly with the punishment dished out be reprieved batsmen.
That is a huge point. We are not at the point where we can give opposing batsmen reprieves. Maybe in time, but not yet.
Our batting: I wish Warner could get to the point where his form lasts a whole summer. he usually starts with a bang and than struggles near the end. At the moment we need a real innings from him.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: raven on February 22, 2016, 10:38:23 AM
Lads doing it nicely now.
Lyon a tidy score as night watchman too (no doubt more than Marsh can muster with the bat too I suspect).
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on February 22, 2016, 10:41:22 AM
Even if Voges gets out first ball after lunch, he'll average a lazy 94.14 after 20 innings (the normal benchmark fort inclusion in most lists) - second only to the Don.....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on February 22, 2016, 11:31:00 AM
There's an interesting discussion about concussion after Smith's KO.  I would be surprised if cricket doesn't move into line with other sports when it comes to head injuries.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on February 24, 2016, 12:32:18 PM
Australia win and take the number 1 mantle for test cricket back.
I am often very cautious about us proclaiming to be the # 1 side but I honestly believe this group plus 3 or 4 others are the best in the world.

When you consider the improvement in the batting, in particular Khawaja at number 3, it is a very ominous line up. If Mitch Marsh can soften his hands they will be a great top 6.
Our bowling has very good skill and variety. Add Starc and Cummins to that group and they are world class.

Lyon will end up with 400+ wickets.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on February 24, 2016, 12:41:35 PM
AC 'the new Don' Voges now averaging 95.50.

 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 24, 2016, 12:53:28 PM
Australia win and take the number 1 mantle for test cricket back.
I am often very cautious about us proclaiming to be the # 1 side but I honestly believe this group plus 3 or 4 others are the best in the world.

When you consider the improvement in the batting, in particular Khawaja at number 3, it is a very ominous line up. If Mitch Marsh can soften his hands they will be a great top 6.
Our bowling has very good skill and variety. Add Starc and Cummins to that group and they are world class.

Lyon will end up with 400+ wickets.

I'd agree, i think we are the best team in the world and its because we have the best domestic comp and have more depth...take out its impossible for anyone to beat India on their home soil and
England doctor up their wickets the same to suit their bowlers and overall I think we perform better than most away and at home...

I'd have England at No 2 and India at No 3......Tha saffies are usually top 2 but have dropped away with Smith, Kallis retiring and Steyn being out injured all the time and I think they are in  a rebuild phase
that is hampered by the quota system....

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on February 24, 2016, 01:51:29 PM
Australia win and take the number 1 mantle for test cricket back.
I am often very cautious about us proclaiming to be the # 1 side but I honestly believe this group plus 3 or 4 others are the best in the world.

When you consider the improvement in the batting, in particular Khawaja at number 3, it is a very ominous line up. If Mitch Marsh can soften his hands they will be a great top 6.
Our bowling has very good skill and variety. Add Starc and Cummins to that group and they are world class.

Lyon will end up with 400+ wickets.

Probably the no.1 side. Not many sides can win away, meaning there's no dominate side, which you are alluding to, but we have in SA and NZ, plus, remembering individual Test wins counts rather than a series, we only lost 3-2 in England while pumping them 5-0 previously. That's probably got us no.1.

Up until the Australian series New Zealand hadn't been beaten for quite a long time. Drawn series in England (1-1) and surprisingly a drawn series in the UAE against the Pakis (1-1) on real spinning tracks. So beating them 4-0 home and away is a good win.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on February 24, 2016, 02:57:20 PM
Australia win and take the number 1 mantle for test cricket back.
I am often very cautious about us proclaiming to be the # 1 side but I honestly believe this group plus 3 or 4 others are the best in the world.

When you consider the improvement in the batting, in particular Khawaja at number 3, it is a very ominous line up. If Mitch Marsh can soften his hands they will be a great top 6.
Our bowling has very good skill and variety. Add Starc and Cummins to that group and they are world class.

Lyon will end up with 400+ wickets.

I like Jackson Bird taking a few scalps too, just starting to add that depth to the Fast bowling ranks that has been promised for a couple of years now but has rarely been delivered.  Patto looked good as well..Hazelwood is world class, his control with both the new ball & reverse was exceptional, how he didn't end up with a 5-for in that 2nd innings is beyond me....and probably what led to his frustration & overreaction.

Anyway, get Starc back fit & (in my dreams) a fit & firing Cummings & you've finally got a squad of 5-6 quicks that could all step up (I'm not sure about Nathan C-N yet).  Ideal attack for long term thinking (Ashes 2017) would be Starc, Pattinson & Hazelwood....with Marsh & Lyon. 

cheers

Mal.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on February 24, 2016, 03:02:48 PM
I'd agree, i think we are the best team in the world and its because we have the best domestic comp and have more depth...take out its impossible for anyone to beat India on their home soil and
England doctor up their wickets the same to suit their bowlers

I'll be very interested to see if England are quite as interested in doctoring up green tops for their next home series, when Anderson will be gone & Broad will be on his last legs......and we'll have Hazelwood, Starc, Pattinson etc to choose from, all in their prime !
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on February 24, 2016, 04:12:46 PM
It seems the T20 World Cup will be newspapers only in Australia, the local networks have all baulked at paying the huge fees demanded by India's Star Sports channel.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 24, 2016, 05:46:08 PM
It seems the T20 World Cup will be newspapers only in Australia, the local networks have all baulked at paying the huge fees demanded by India's Star Sports channel.

I'll be searching on the Android box International TV channels....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Juddkreuzer on February 24, 2016, 11:19:55 PM
It seems the T20 World Cup will be newspapers only in Australia, the local networks have all baulked at paying the huge fees demanded by India's Star Sports channel.

Good decision by the local networks. Crap comp that gets ridiculous attention during the Australian summer but is not the type of Cricket that anyone who actually loves the game would hold in any level of esteem.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on February 25, 2016, 08:11:51 AM
Good decision by the local networks. Crap comp that gets ridiculous attention during the Australian summer but is not the type of Cricket that anyone who actually loves the game would hold in any level of esteem.

Possibly, but I always like to support the national team at any level of competition, I barrack for them at the toss of the coin!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: raven on February 25, 2016, 02:36:04 PM
AC 'the new Don' Voges now averaging 95.50.

 8) 8) 8)

Hack!  >:D

Insane numbers those.

And with another 2-0 series win Marsh will get (yet) another reprieve at 6. Plus we don't play tests again until SL away mid this year.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on July 28, 2016, 10:29:30 AM
Cricket related, and very funny:

http://www.cricket.com.au/news/streaker-nude-one-week-prison-kandy-australia-sri-lanka-first-test/2016-07-27 (http://www.cricket.com.au/news/streaker-nude-one-week-prison-kandy-australia-sri-lanka-first-test/2016-07-27)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on July 28, 2016, 10:41:52 AM
Cricket related, and very funny:

http://www.cricket.com.au/news/streaker-nude-one-week-prison-kandy-australia-sri-lanka-first-test/2016-07-27 (http://www.cricket.com.au/news/streaker-nude-one-week-prison-kandy-australia-sri-lanka-first-test/2016-07-27)

A week in the slammer!  I guess it seemed a good idea at the time  :)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on July 28, 2016, 01:55:08 PM
Must be some wonderful pitch to bat on. Might've been a two day Test if it wasn't for the rain.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on July 29, 2016, 03:26:19 PM
Let the Lankans right back into the match.  If it ever stops raining this will be a very tight finish.....or we'll capitulate spectacularly.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on August 06, 2016, 06:17:11 PM
Nice series win 'Lankans, but don't be offended when the first test is in Brisbane and the pitch resembles the 12th at Augusta and the second is in Perth and is described by the groundsman as a "spitting cobra" of a deck...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on August 06, 2016, 06:23:28 PM
Nice series win 'Lankans, but don't be offended when the first test is in Brisbane and the pitch resembles the 12th at Augusta and the second is in Perth and is described by the groundsman as a "spitting cobra" of a deck...


Yep the spin of the Lankans had us bamboozled but I would expect a different story in Aus where the decks will be greened up and the little Lankans will be ducking for cover...
Maybe we need neutral groundsman to stop the conditioning of wickets to suit the home team... ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on August 06, 2016, 06:35:53 PM
Another side that seems to lose interest if the ball gets above the knee roll.  Can't believe how well the Aust pace bowlers have been on these &^($($(ed decks, shows their class.  Yet again its the muppets with the bats letting us down.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on August 06, 2016, 06:57:02 PM
While we are no.1 (or were?) it's very even at the top with no great sides hence home ground advantage is huge. We can't play on the sub continent those sides, outside of the Pakis, can't play outside of it.

We can never replicate their conditions here to practice on it so the only way to counter sub continent conditions is to have a real world class spinner. Although Warne did struggle in India the Indians did not dare through up a dusty 10th day track on the first day hence our pacemen and batsmen could succeed.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on August 06, 2016, 07:19:39 PM
We should still be able to account for Sri Lanka Jim... even an average score would have put pressure on their batting line up.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on August 06, 2016, 08:05:38 PM
We should still be able to account for Sri Lanka Jim... even an average score would have put pressure on their batting line up.

Not necessarily if the track is turning against a team with terrific spinners.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on August 06, 2016, 08:08:50 PM
Not necessarily if the track is turning against a team with terrific spinners.

What we are seeing is the folly of selecting cross bat hacks who regularly belt the suitcase out of long suffering bowlers on flat track 20/20 or 50 over decks, but can't grind out an innings on a turning test track!

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on August 06, 2016, 08:18:53 PM
What we are seeing is the folly of selecting cross bat hacks who regularly belt the suitcase out of long suffering bowlers on flat track 20/20 or 50 over decks, but can't grind out an innings on a turning test track!

Never going to be good enough anyway on the sub continent. We never get to practice on them. Hence we have no clue how to bat on them. Good reason why we didn't beat India for 35 years in India and couldn't beat the Pakis away for years either. Only way is to have a world class spinner so they don't produce turning dustbowls. No coincidence we won on the sub continent when we had Warne, even then India was hard work.

Remember, those countries have huge trouble outside of the sub continent adapting to bouncier greener pitches that swing and seams, probably barring the Pakis. Pakis had it right producing fast, swinging, reverse swing speedsters to go with their spinners. Allowed them to perform away from the sub continent.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on August 06, 2016, 10:23:19 PM
One of the issues with test cricket is that Australia have been #1 and maybe again soon. Amazing. It makes me wonder if test cricket actually is the main type of cricket in the world.

For ages we have had serious structural problems and yet nothing seems to happen about it.
[1] Batting: we are flat track bullies. Given a flat deck we can flog any attack on the planet. But where are there flat decks? At home? Maybe.
Seriously, our guys do not bat with the idea of building an innings. It is nice to flog an opposition attack, but only if you can pull it off, and we cannot. Managing to bat from behind? You have to be kidding.
[2] Spin bowling: Our incumbent off spinner may have the best numbers of any off spinner in Australian history, but that says something in itself. Aussies have traditionally used leg spinners, yet we have few and none that make a mark. What are we doing wrong? Not preparing pitches that wear. Drop in pitches last.
And do we do enough to promote or train our spinners? Do we do anything? We need to find spinning talent and get the used to bowling in ALL conditions. Especially subcontinental conditions, where they are likely to be required.
[3] Preparation: do we actually do any? Doesn't appear to be the case. You would think that before a tour to ANYWHERE that you would train under those conditions. And play a few warm-up matches. Yet few sides play any more than 1 or 2 warm up matches any more, no matter where they go. That, to me, makes a decent preparation more important, especially for a 'professional' team.
[4] Talent: where are our young cricketers? Something must seriously be done about this. There are a LOT of sports looking for talent now and cricket has to do something to get the talent it requires. They do not have the restrictions that there are in football, yet we do not seem to attract real competitors. Nice one day players, maybe, but not serious, competitive test cricketers.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on October 13, 2016, 05:28:10 PM
First ever 5 game series whitewash.

Selection Rubbish
Captain Rubbish
Fielding Rubbish
All Rounders Rubbish

Team Rubbish
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on October 13, 2016, 05:29:30 PM
First ever 5 game series whitewash.

Selection Rubbish
Captain Rubbish
Fielding Rubbish
All Rounders Rubbish

Team Rubbish

The bowling wasn't great either  ;D
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on October 13, 2016, 05:31:37 PM
The bowling wasn't great either  ;D

I deliberately omitted the bowling because someone would claim I'm anti-NSW! ::)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on October 13, 2016, 07:27:25 PM
Nothing quite like it from Australia before. And LP hit some targets: lots of rubbish.
There were a few positives, but consistency of performance, x-factor, team selection and our bowling attack were not among them. A lot of thinking needs to be done before the test series starts, and that is only a few weeks away.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on October 14, 2016, 08:12:57 AM
Nothing quite like it from Australia before. And LP hit some targets: lots of rubbish.
There were a few positives, but consistency of performance, x-factor, team selection and our bowling attack were not among them. A lot of thinking needs to be done before the test series starts, and that is only a few weeks away.

1 Shield game before the 1st Test......1 !

pathetic.  And we've got to get our entire bowling attack up & running again in 1 shield game.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on October 14, 2016, 08:24:40 AM
You send a 3rd string team of bowlers into a series you get the results you got. Still, more important Hazelwood and Starc prepared for the Test Series. Hopefully we don't prepare flat tracks again this year. Not only are we sick of them it does the team no good when they have to travel.

Didn't expect to win on the sub-continent. Everyone else gets flogged 3-0 over there these days too. England beaten 3-0 by the Pakis, South Africa and New Zealand beaten 3-0 by India, and I assume England will suffer the same fate. It's not just us. By contrast sub-continent sides get flogged when they get out of Asia bar Pakistan. India and Sri Lanka useless outside the sub continent. Ashwin is the all time superstar at home but terrible away. Unless you have real world class spinners the sub-continent pitches will be doctored. You have no way of preparing as we can't simulate those conditions here.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on October 14, 2016, 08:51:08 AM
You send a 3rd string team of bowlers into a series you get the results you got. Still, more important Hazelwood and Starc prepared for the Test Series. Hopefully we don't prepare flat tracks again this year. Not only are we sick of them it does the team no good when they have to travel.

First test in Perth, don't know could have some bounce, although that's been sorely missing in recent years......2nd test down my way at Bellerive......but the way things are going here recently it'll be the greenest pitch this side of NZ...if it actually stops raining !!!!

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on October 14, 2016, 09:57:31 AM
AS Jim said ..one day cricket only  and we sent a 3rd class bowling lineup...Saffies have rebuilt a bit and are handy at home but I wouldnt be too worried about our prospects for this summer..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: dodge on October 14, 2016, 04:58:40 PM
Slightly different topic, but what is going on with the questioning at the coronial inquest for Philip Hughes?  Seems very aggressive and unfair towards the players...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on October 14, 2016, 05:02:37 PM
Slightly different topic, but what is going on with the questioning at the coronial inquest for Philip Hughes?  Seems very aggressive and unfair towards the players...

Not sure Doug Bollinger would be feeling that great, and probably glad he didnt bowl that fatal ball, we know things get said without malice and we know Doug was only sledging but that would play on your mind...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on October 14, 2016, 05:33:43 PM
Slightly different topic, but what is going on with the questioning at the coronial inquest for Philip Hughes?  Seems very aggressive and unfair towards the players...

Are they telling fibs?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on October 14, 2016, 05:57:57 PM
I'm surprised the Coroner inquest would actually be talking this much about sledging. They think it's a new thing?

Always be interesting stuff said a cricket pitch in the name of getting a mental advantage. We just rarely hear it. Remember Clarke telling Anderson what Mitchell Johnson was going to do to his arm, think it was "going to fkn break it".
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on October 14, 2016, 07:44:29 PM
I'm surprised the Coroner inquest would actually be talking this much about sledging. They think it's a new thing?

Always be interesting stuff said a cricket pitch in the name of getting a mental advantage. We just rarely hear it. Remember Clarke telling Anderson what Mitchell Johnson was going to do to his arm, think it was "going to fkn break it".

The SC assisting the coroner has urged that the sledging discussion be ignored and, with the exception of the Hughes family, there's furious agreement that nothing about the play, tactics, sledging, etc contributed to the death.

The family seems to be desperate to blame someone, and that's understandable.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on October 14, 2016, 08:40:03 PM
The SC assisting the coroner has urged that the sledging discussion be ignored and, with the exception of the Hughes family, there's furious agreement that nothing about the play, tactics, sledging, etc contributed to the death.

The family seems to be desperate to blame someone, and that's understands

I agree with that... but have the players been telling fibs?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Micky0 on October 14, 2016, 08:52:46 PM
The SC assisting the coroner has urged that the sledging discussion be ignored and, with the exception of the Hughes family, there's furious agreement that nothing about the play, tactics, sledging, etc contributed to the death.

The family seems to be desperate to blame someone, and that's understandable.
completely disagree - anyone playing on that day would be forever effected - what exactly is the point of bringing all this up?

Does anyone actually believe people went out that day to kill Hughes?! I 100% doubt it!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 04, 2016, 08:10:46 AM
Well...day one of the Test summer......certainly went pear shaped for the Saffers.  Starc didn't bowl that I thought & still got 4....looks like he's inherited Johnsons happy knack !

Pretty poor batting from SAF, on a pitch that really should have been a belter to bad on again.  A little bounce, but no sideways movement to speak of.  As an ex fast bowlers I love watching great quick ply their trade no matter where they're from (even sometimes if it's against us !).....and on that score I was pretty disappointed in Steyns performance.  A bloke with that much experience & talent falling into the trap of bowling too short at the WACA is unforgivable....and he payed the price.  One thing about Steyn though, he quite often looks ordinary & disinterested in one spell......and can then rip the heart out a lineup a session later.  This mornings first hour will be huge.  The game is almost already gone for SAF...unless they can pull off a miracle, or bat for a couple of days to force a draw...which is very possible in Perth.

cheers

Mal.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 04, 2016, 08:42:27 AM
Still four days to go and the side needs another quality RH bat. Neither Marsh convincing, Siddle role player at best until injured strike bowlers get fit.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 04, 2016, 08:49:57 AM
Still four days to go and the side needs another quality RH bat. Neither Marsh convincing, Siddle role player at best until injured strike bowlers get fit.

Harsh on the Marsh lads.....

The SA batters are just as questionable, Amla aside.....distinct lack of quality imo. Noting the missing gun!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 04, 2016, 04:25:45 PM
We took the foot off the throat of SA in the middle sessions yesterday, that is going to bite us on the ar5e today, we may be behind on the 1st innings, our lot looking very shaky.

Pretty much over the reign of Smith, great cricketer, seems like a nice bloke, but a super crap test captain! He only has one trick, he has to make a lot of runs himself with his dodgy batting technique or he offers nothing!

Selectors have lost the plot, not only are the Marsh's keeping others out of test spots they shouldn't even be getting a Shield run IMHO! They are the Andrejs Everitt's of test Cricket!

This teams needs a new Mark "Tubby" Taylor type leader, a bloke who leads with class regardless of his own form.

The selection needs to be far more brutal, bring back Border!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 04, 2016, 04:28:33 PM
You were saying Fly?  Time to play a BATSMAN at six, not some faux all rounder.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 04, 2016, 04:30:10 PM
You were saying Fly?  Time to play a BATSMAN at six, not some faux all rounder.

 :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on November 04, 2016, 05:15:28 PM
Shaping up as a good test match... isn't that what we want?

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 04, 2016, 05:45:09 PM
screw I hate Australian batsmen; 

Getting out LBW suggests significant technical issues.

Find ways to get out to c-grade spinners.

Find ways to get out in the last over before breaks.

Can't use the review system with any sense of intelligence.

Our bowlers break down so often because they carry these worthless muppets.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 04, 2016, 06:21:35 PM
Simply pathetic effort once again by the muppets with bats.

Neville is a tidy keeper but he needs to make runs when it counts.  Wade is not the tidiest keeper but has made test and shield runs under pressure.  We can't continue with a middle order of Voges- M. Marsh-Neville... its as reliable as a Styrofoam spaceship.

Too often this side is 5 out all out.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on November 04, 2016, 07:36:09 PM
Simply pathetic effort once again by the muppets with bats.

Neville is a tidy keeper but he needs to make runs when it counts.  Wade is not the tidiest keeper but has made test and shield runs under pressure.  We can't continue with a middle order of Voges- M. Marsh-Neville... its as reliable as a Styrofoam spaceship.

Too often this side is 5 out all out.
Yes. Our batsmen are really letting the side down.
Voges has fallen very swiftly: only a year ago he had an average of about 100. It must be almost halved by now. That is a pity, but has had a bad trot.
Mitch Marsh shouldn't be there. he is an OK bowler, but his batting is not up to test cricket standards. And telling him to make a hundred (when he hasn't made one yet) or get dropped is only going to make him fail. He should not be in the top 6: he doesn't have the runs (literally) on the board.
Nevill hasn't gone on with his batting: it has gone backwards with the lack of support from the other middle order players. He is an excellent keeper, but you need to be more now.
Steve Smith: I know he was given out very dubiously, but his idea of a Captain's Innings at the moment appears to be running down the pitch and then changing his mind. He is not batting smartly.
Khuwaja I don't think is quite up to it. I hope he proves me wrong, but I doubt it.

As for our bowlers, injuries have really made a difference. Starc has done pretty well and so have a couple of others, but we appear to lack venom. Siddle is a great warrior, but he is not quick enough now to be really dangerous.
As for spin, Lyon is OK, but he isn't a match winner. He is probably the best off-spinner going around at the moment, and he has got more wickets than any of the previous offies, but he is just not in the class of some of the other spinners going around.
Nor are we likely to produce many class spinners: most Australian wickets don't wear enough to encourage spinners. Even great spinners struggle here because the drop-in wickets don't wear.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 04, 2016, 09:40:49 PM
What makes it worse is that the Saffies are a very average unit IMO....Steyn got injured and we got fired out by no name bowlers and Philander who bowls at 130k...Mitch Marsh played outside a straight one thats how well he is going....
Need to rebuild the middle order and also replace Siddle...Pattinson is who we need but he cant stay on the park so we need another quick who can...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Thryleon on November 04, 2016, 10:33:30 PM
It's not a summer of cricket without a middle order collapse.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 04, 2016, 10:38:35 PM
It's not a summer of cricket without a middle order collapse.

 :))

It's not an Aussie test match without a middle order collapse  :)

Actually, it wasn't a middle order collapse, it was a full-blown collapse; 10 for 86  :o
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 05, 2016, 06:32:39 PM
What makes it worse is that the Saffies are a very average unit IMO....Steyn got injured and we got fired out by no name bowlers and Philander who bowls at 130k...Mitch Marsh played outside a straight one thats how well he is going....
Need to rebuild the middle order and also replace Siddle...Pattinson is who we need but he cant stay on the park so we need another quick who can...

Our three third quicks are all injured or returning from injury. Cummins, Pattinson and Coulter-Nile. Either would make a huge difference. Hendriques or Stoinis to replace Marsh. Bowls well but can't afford a number 6 to keep making SFA. Happy to keep with Khawaja as he just had a bad innings but might need to replace Voges given he seem to have done a hamstring.

I saw the first day as I have been in Perth, just got home now. Australia was as dominate as one side could be. Bowlers were outstanding getting them out for 242, then 0/105, Warner was brilliant and S.Marsh was a gutsy as any opener could be. Survived real difficulties and made 63. Could not have imagined we'd be in this position after day 1.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 05, 2016, 06:46:47 PM
Yes. Our batsmen are really letting the side down.
Voges has fallen very swiftly: only a year ago he had an average of about 100. It must be almost halved by now. That is a pity, but has had a bad trot.
Mitch Marsh shouldn't be there. he is an OK bowler, but his batting is not up to test cricket standards. And telling him to make a hundred (when he hasn't made one yet) or get dropped is only going to make him fail. He should not be in the top 6: he doesn't have the runs (literally) on the board.
Nevill hasn't gone on with his batting: it has gone backwards with the lack of support from the other middle order players. He is an excellent keeper, but you need to be more now.
Steve Smith: I know he was given out very dubiously, but his idea of a Captain's Innings at the moment appears to be running down the pitch and then changing his mind. He is not batting smartly.
Khuwaja I don't think is quite up to it. I hope he proves me wrong, but I doubt it.

As for our bowlers, injuries have really made a difference. Starc has done pretty well and so have a couple of others, but we appear to lack venom. Siddle is a great warrior, but he is not quick enough now to be really dangerous.
As for spin, Lyon is OK, but he isn't a match winner. He is probably the best off-spinner going around at the moment, and he has got more wickets than any of the previous offies, but he is just not in the class of some of the other spinners going around.
Nor are we likely to produce many class spinners: most Australian wickets don't wear enough to encourage spinners. Even great spinners struggle here because the drop-in wickets don't wear.

i'll ignore sub continent form and no-one outside of sub-continent coutries go any good there. So  Iwon't judge Khawaja or Voges yet after one innings this summer as there other form stood right up before. M.Marsh is the one that is hurt the batting as we have not steadiness right in that middle if we lose a couple.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on November 05, 2016, 09:02:56 PM
Our three third quicks are all injured or returning from injury. Cummins, Pattinson and Coulter-Nile. Either would make a huge difference. Hendriques or Stoinis to replace Marsh. Bowls well but can't afford a number 6 to keep making SFA. Happy to keep with Khawaja as he just had a bad innings but might need to replace Voges given he seem to have done a hamstring.

I saw the first day as I have been in Perth, just got home now. Australia was as dominate as one side could be. Bowlers were outstanding getting them out for 242, then 0/105, Warner was brilliant and S.Marsh was a gutsy as any opener could be. Survived real difficulties and made 63. Could not have imagined we'd be in this position after day 1.
I'm done with Pattinson Jim, I reckon he's a bust, injuries cruelled him :(
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 05, 2016, 09:08:58 PM
The Saffies batted right through the day and, presumably, that would have been their objective in the morning.  Even with Steyn gone, they would have to be clear favourites now  :(
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 05, 2016, 09:16:49 PM
Bowled their guts out with zero luck, although Starc still bowls too much crap.  Lyon should have bowled more.

Big no to Henriques, bowling not good enough, saffies with slay him.

I'd be looking at Maxwell in the mid order (plus a few overs) and Chad Sayers as a different bowling option, especially in an Adelaide test.

I've always liked Maddinson but one go hard LH opener is probably enough.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 05, 2016, 10:10:57 PM
Bowled their guts out with zero luck, although Starc still bowls too much crap.  Lyon should have bowled more.

Big no to Henriques, bowling not good enough, saffies with slay him.

I'd be looking at Maxwell in the mid order (plus a few overs) and Chad Sayers as a different bowling option, especially in an Adelaide test.

I've always liked Maddinson but one go hard LH opener is probably enough.

Need to get De Kock out early or we will be chasing 450, can see him dining out on our tired attack...agree on Maxwell, got some X factor, fields well and can break partnerships.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 06, 2016, 12:58:02 PM
Bowled their guts out with zero luck, although Starc still bowls too much crap.  Lyon should have bowled more.

Big no to Henriques, bowling not good enough, saffies with slay him.

I'd be looking at Maxwell in the mid order (plus a few overs) and Chad Sayers as a different bowling option, especially in an Adelaide test.

I've always liked Maddinson but one go hard LH opener is probably enough.

Hendriques would be in to bat no.6 an bowl 10 overs or so. Other option is Stoinis, who could fill no.6 and well pretty well.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 06, 2016, 01:53:04 PM
Listening to Ian Chappell hand out advice about swing bowling today.

Make sure your kids or grand children ignore everything he says, he has it exactly wrong and completely back to front as coached by great exponents of swing like Lillee, Hadley, Dev, Khan, Massie, Trueman, Botham, Fleming, Alderman and Dodemaide.

If you are a swing bowler you always get as close to the stumps as possible and release the ball down the line of the stumps! That  will  maximise any available movements yet leaves the ball pitching in line if there is no swing!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 06, 2016, 01:56:39 PM
Hendriques would be in to bat no.6 an bowl 10 overs or so. Other option is Stoinis, who could fill no.6 and well pretty well.

you're all forgetting the best option - James Faulkner come on down.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 06, 2016, 02:24:05 PM
Can't believe the crap I am watching. I sat under the Prindiville Stand and was the Aussies really smack them senseless on the first day. What the hell has happened to be in this position.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 06, 2016, 02:31:01 PM
Can't believe the crap I am watching. I sat under the Prindiville Stand and was the Aussies really smack them senseless on the first day. What the hell has happened to be in this position.

Smith is not a test captain, he has absolutely no idea about how to use a field to apply pressure to a batsmen. It's like he is setting ever field to play for a draw!

Further, as much as I like Starc when he is on, he is a front runner which in my view makes him a a great support bowler but not a leader of an attack. Good bowlers are good bowlers in all conditions, only Lyon and Siddle come close to being test standard. We are sadly lacking with the likes of Pattinson and Cummins out injured, we have a team full of support bowlers operating to scores built by erratic batsmen.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 06, 2016, 02:36:34 PM
Smith is not a test captain, he has absolutely no idea about how to use a field to apply pressure to a batsmen. It's like he is setting ever field to play for a draw!d up

Further, as much as I like Starc when he is on, he is a front runner which in my view makes him a a great support bowler but not a leader of an attack. Good bowlers are good bowlers in all conditions, only Lyon and Siddle come close to being test standard. We are sadly lacking with the likes of Pattinson and Cummins out injured, we have a team full of support bowlers operating to scores built by erratic batsmen.

Smith was installed simply to continue the NSW dynasty.....that said, who else has really stood up? And i was not a fan of Clarke!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 06, 2016, 02:47:20 PM
Smith was installed simply to continue the NSW dynasty.....that said, who else has really stood up? And i was not a fan of Clarke!

When we start selecting players on form we will be able to carry a bloke who is a great captain but not necessarily a great cricketer. Bailey is a prime example, his captaincy is probably worth a century relative to Smith's.

But longer term there is a real problem, as our shield teams are full of blokes who make their reputation in 20/20.

Those of us old enough will know how big of a rabble Australia was until Simpson returned as captain and what a huge difference he made to the team's performance!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 06, 2016, 02:53:01 PM
Smith is not a test captain, he has absolutely no idea about how to use a field to apply pressure to a batsmen. It's like he is setting ever field to play for a draw!

Further, as much as I like Starc when he is on, he is a front runner which in my view makes him a a great support bowler but not a leader of an attack. Good bowlers are good bowlers in all conditions, only Lyon and Siddle come close to being test standard. We are sadly lacking with the likes of Pattinson and Cummins out injured, we have a team full of support bowlers operating to scores built by erratic batsmen.

Starc did bowl brilliantly in Sri Lanka. Led the attack on unfavourable spinning pitches. Was an absolute gun and leader there. Look forward to Cummins finally getting fit. Once he's fit Siddle will be gone. I'd have played Bird ahead of Siddle.

As for the captaincy jury is still out on Smith. I did notice in Sri Lanka though, albeit in the one day series, how Australia completely turned things around once Warner took over the captaincy.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: bratblue on November 06, 2016, 02:55:43 PM


Further, as much as I like Starc when he is on, he is a front runner which in my view makes him a a great support bowler but not a leader of an attack. Good bowlers are good bowlers in all conditions, only Lyon and Siddle come close to being test standard. We are sadly lacking with the likes of Pattinson and Cummins out injured, we have a team full of support bowlers operating to scores built by erratic batsmen.

Starc lost it when he went the short ball at the start of the SA second innings. He looked like he was pissed off with the batsmen and decided to do what he liked.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 06, 2016, 02:58:21 PM
Smith was installed simply to continue the NSW dynasty.....that said, who else has really stood up? And i was not a fan of Clarke!

Actually thought Clarke was an outstanding captain, one of the best 3 I've seen in my lifetime, Ian Chappell, Mark Taylor and Michael Clarke (I was around for Richie Benaud when he was captain but too young). 3 blokes with the rare ability to think ahead of the game. Clarke was given a a side that was pile of crap when installed and took them to no.1. Was most impressed when Warner took over the one day side in Sri Lanka. Looked like we really lifted a cog.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 06, 2016, 02:59:29 PM
Starc lost it when he went the short ball at the start of the SA second innings. He looked like he was pissed off with the batsmen and decided to do what he liked.

Same error Steyn made in our first innings with the new ball. It was a new ball pitch at the time, which become easier as the ball got older.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 06, 2016, 03:02:01 PM
When we start selecting players on form we will be able to carry a bloke who is a great captain but not necessarily a great cricketer. Bailey is a prime example, his captaincy is probably worth a century relative to Smith's.

But longer term there is a real problem, as our shield teams are full of blokes who make their reputation in 20/20.

Those of us old enough will know how big of a rabble Australia was until Simpson returned as captain and what a huge difference he made to the team's performance!

Simpson returned as captain when the World Series Cricket spilt started.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on November 06, 2016, 04:07:22 PM
Bit harsh on Starc... had a significant injury and little preparation for this test.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 06, 2016, 05:22:46 PM
And warner runs himself out, crap me our test side is full of deadset retards.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 06, 2016, 05:29:29 PM
Bit harsh on Starc... had a significant injury and little preparation for this test.

Should not have been picked.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 06, 2016, 05:29:59 PM
I liked Michael Clark's commentary;

"This game depends on Warner and Smith, if they can bat all day Australia will win!"

NSWelshman telling us NSWelshman can win an impossible test, I wonder what he thinks after Warner ran himself out?

Then he exits the commentary box saying,

"In next Shane Warne and The Great Michael Slater!"

FFS, they are killing the game in this country! The NSWelshman are making nepotists look like a meritocracy! Next thing they'll be renaming the NRL the World Series!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on November 06, 2016, 05:53:11 PM
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Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 08, 2016, 08:15:33 AM
This loss might be the loss we needed to get NSW off Australian crickets throat!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on November 08, 2016, 09:22:49 AM
Can we just get some fresh blood into the team!!!!???

Nic Maddinson
Kurtis Patterson
Marcus Stoinis
Cam Bancroft
Peter Handscomb
Jake Lehmann
Ashton Agar

They'll be others too!

Forget Glenn Maxwell.

I'd be making the steady Peter Nevill vice-captain ASAP.

Out: Voges, S.Marsh (inj), Siddle.

I'd keep Mitch Marsh in and bat him at 7 or 8, with someone like Stoinis is also as another medium pacer.

I just think, let's rebuild/reboot, somewhat, with a bunch of younger blokes together.


Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 08, 2016, 09:26:53 AM
Cricket Australia, in its wisdom, named a squad for the first two tests; no changes for the second test  ::)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 08, 2016, 10:10:27 AM
S. Marsh broken finger, won't play
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 08, 2016, 10:13:19 AM
S. Marsh broken finger, won't play

Ferguson and Burns have been added to the squad.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 08, 2016, 11:10:26 AM
Ok S. Marsh is injured, Burns replaces him.

Siddle has been a mighty warrior but M. Marsh plays the plug it up role. I'd play a more dynamic dealer like Chad Sayers or Faulkner.

I'd also give o' Keefe a chance, Lyon has been found out. 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 08, 2016, 11:22:43 AM
Ok S. Marsh is injured, Burns replaces him.

Siddle has been a mighty warrior but M. Marsh plays the plug it up role. I'd play a more dynamic dealer like Chad Sayers or Faulkner.

I'd also give o' Keefe a chance, Lyon has been found out.

Agree on Faulkner....we are also missing Johnsons batting at no 8...although Falkner isnt quick and I feel we need another strike bowler with genuine pace....
Siddle doesnt do enough with the ball at his now reduced pace....
Our middle order lacks players with technique..Rabada is a good young colt who swings the ball and as we know our blokes cant play swing at all, once he started reverse swinging the ball  we were
in trouble...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 08, 2016, 11:39:33 AM
Need to look at positions 5 and 6. They are falling too quickly putting us under pressure. Nos 1, 3 and 4 are solid enough just need support further down to stiffen the batting line up. Be interesting to see how Ferguson goes as i'm guessing Voges will be out injured. I'd be looking at Stoinis at no.6 to bat and add 10 overs. Look forward to when our quicks are fit to join Hazelwood and Starc. Love Cummins to be fit. Starc, Cummins an Hazelwood would be a world class line up. Being stronger at 5 and 6 together with a full fast bowling line up  would takes us back close to no.1 again. Essentially it's just a few players different from being crap and strong.  As for the spinner wonder in Lyon is still the or do we use O'Keefe, who was going just as well and a much better batsman.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on November 08, 2016, 12:37:05 PM
Ok S. Marsh is injured, Burns replaces him.

Siddle has been a mighty warrior but M. Marsh plays the plug it up role. I'd play a more dynamic dealer like Chad Sayers or Faulkner.

I'd also give o' Keefe a chance, Lyon has been found out.

Has Lyon been found out or not given enough opportunity?
Steve's Smiths best mate is.....O'Keefe
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 08, 2016, 12:41:40 PM
Siddle now injured as well.....so much for the "this is the 12 & that's an end of it" approach.  They'll be forced to make at least two changes now, and that's a good thing.

Hopefully someone in form like a Sayers gets brought in for Siddle (he completely outbowled Mennie in the last Shield match).

Sadly, they will be lucky to get 3 days play in to stake their claim...which will be interesting when it comes to the selections for the final test with a win required to level it up !



Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on November 08, 2016, 12:47:32 PM
Apart from Warner, all of our batsmen are flat-track bullies who have continually had the flaws in their techniques found out on moving decks and ball.

Time for the selectors to start blooding some young stars of the future and dispense with these non-performing name brands.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 08, 2016, 12:49:46 PM
Has Lyon been found out or not given enough opportunity?
Steve's Smiths best mate is.....O'Keefe
Lyon is being disrespected, he's earned the right to be first choice and if nothing else is consistent 200+ wicket taker. The media like to scapegoat him, but they should be thanking Lyon for putting in with a team full of spud batsmen who fail to give him a useful target to defend!

It's too easy for those batting dropkicks to be blaming the No.11 for not sticking around, or the bowlers for not taking 10 wickets for 200 runs! Lyon and the others are just a scapegoat covering for the failures of Marsh, Smith, Warner, etc., etc.!

If I was the Coach/Team Manager the first thing I'd ban is night-watchmen and I'd tell the batsmen to harden the feck up, stop the finger-pointing and if not then piss off to the IPL!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on November 08, 2016, 12:53:23 PM
James Faulkner is the one I'd play. He is a born Test cricketer IMO, and I said as much a few years ago,

He'll plug up an end when bowling as a medium/fast and bat well (and with grit and intent) at 7 or 8.

Reckon Agar is a special talent and I'd really like to give him a crack, but he needs more top notch numbers. O'Keefe and Holland are other spin options.

Longing for a decent leggie....!!!!

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 08, 2016, 12:59:50 PM
Longing for a decent leggie....!!!!

Many of us have watched the career of Warne the greatest spinner ever, hands down nobody is his equal.

We cannot afford to judge potential players by what we have seen during the Warne era, so subjective terms like "decent" need careful consideration!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on November 08, 2016, 01:03:48 PM
Lyon is being disrespected, he's earned the right to be first choice and if nothing else is consistent 200+ wicket taker. The media like to scapegoat him, but they should be thanking Lyon for putting in with a team full of spud batsmen who fail to give him a useful target to defend!

It's too easy for those batting dropkicks to be blaming the No.11 for not sticking around, or the bowlers for not taking 10 wickets for 200 runs! Lyon and the others are just a scapegoat covering for the failures of Marsh, Smith, Warner, etc., etc.!

If I was the Coach/Team Manager the first thing I'd ban is night-watchmen and I'd tell the batsmen to harden the feck up, stop the finger-pointing and if not then piss off to the IPL!

Lyon even moved to play for NSW, and I still think he is going to get shafted!

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 08, 2016, 01:06:44 PM
With the DRS in use last match Warne would have taken 1500 wickets.  Crikey, talk about one side getting the rub of the green....

I'd play Steve O'Keefe... as a left hander turning the ball away from the RHers he is a slightly more attacking option.  He has been a bloody good shield player for a long, long time.

Zampa is no mug either.

If we want a few overs of off spin to break it up we could look at Maxwell.  The problem is that none of our current bats really offer much in the part time bowling department, except for Smith who has lost faith in himself as a bowler.

I really like Siddle but we need a bowler with more penetration.  Unless there is a point of difference eg height or moves the ball a lot there isn't much call for blokes that trundles it down at 130 kph.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 08, 2016, 01:07:57 PM
James Faulkner is the one I'd play. He is a born Test cricketer IMO, and I said as much a few years ago,

He'll plug up an end when bowling as a medium/fast and bat well (and with grit and intent) at 7 or 8.

Reckon Agar is a special talent and I'd really like to give him a crack, but he needs more top notch numbers. O'Keefe and Holland are other spin options.

Longing for a decent leggie....!!!!

Faulkner behind two genuine quicks would work....not convinced Hazelwood is a No 2 bowler, batters do get a hold of him and he doesnt have the genuine pace to worry good players
on good wickets..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: shadesy on November 08, 2016, 01:14:38 PM
Faulkner behind two genuine quicks would work....not convinced Hazelwood is a No 2 bowler, batters do get a hold of him and he doesnt have the genuine pace to worry good players
on good wickets..

Problem is Faulkner is not good enough for a 3rd seamer or bat 6 IMO.

What me need is Handscomb to bat in the top 6 allowing a Faulkner or Marsh to come in at 7 or 8.

A Keeper in the top 6 can give the team the flexibility it needs.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 08, 2016, 01:22:03 PM
Lyon even moved to play for NSW, and I still think he is going to get shafted!

Moving to play for NSW won't make you a NSWelshman if they have a local alternative, we've seen that happen time and time again.

Moving to NSW would leave him with only NSWelshman to defend his spot, good luck with that!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 08, 2016, 01:28:46 PM
Problem is Faulkner is not good enough for a 3rd seamer or bat 6 IMO.

What me need is Handscomb to bat in the top 6 allowing a Faulkner or Marsh to come in at 7 or 8.

A Keeper in the top 6 can give the team the flexibility it needs.

Batting at 6...No from me too, reckon his bowling is ok but he needs two very good quicks opening the attack.....
Marsh...one day player only, zero technique, that LBW to Philander in the 1st innings was woeful...bowling is handy only...
Handscomb is a good cricketer with a good technique......prefer my keeper at No 7 though and a bowling allrounder at 8 ie Faulkner.
Not fully convinced about Nevill either...he is no DeKock with the bat ...
Aus have always had this allrounder fetish to find ourselves a Botham to play at No 6...tried for years with Watson to no avail and seem destined to keep trying with M. Marsh..
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 08, 2016, 02:06:16 PM

Aus have always had this allrounder fetish to find ourselves a Botham to play at No 6...tried for years with Watson to no avail and seem destined to keep trying with M. Marsh..

That is the issue....it was re-inforced when Flintoff did the job on the Aussies in 2005 as well.  Trouble is, he was an elite fast bowlers who was good enough to bat at #6.  We cannot keep trying bit part players who could not get a gig at one or the other.  Gilchrist didn't even bat at 6 in his career....and he was the one keeper who could have.  But how devastating for the opposition was it for him to listed at #7 !!!

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: shadesy on November 08, 2016, 02:19:39 PM
Batting at 6...No from me too, reckon his bowling is ok but he needs two very good quicks opening the attack.....
Marsh...one day player only, zero technique, that LBW to Philander in the 1st innings was woeful...bowling is handy only...
Handscomb is a good cricketer with a good technique......prefer my keeper at No 7 though and a bowling allrounder at 8 ie Faulkner.
Not fully convinced about Nevill either...he is no DeKock with the bat ...
Aus have always had this allrounder fetish to find ourselves a Botham to play at No 6...tried for years with Watson to no avail and seem destined to keep trying with M. Marsh..

Sangakarra, DeVillers, Bairstow... get a batsmen Keeper and it gives you flexibility at 7 and 8 IMO.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on November 08, 2016, 02:22:15 PM
Problem is Faulkner is not good enough for a 3rd seamer or bat 6 IMO.

What me need is Handscomb to bat in the top 6 allowing a Faulkner or Marsh to come in at 7 or 8.

A Keeper in the top 6 can give the team the flexibility it needs.

Wouldn't bat Faulkner at 6, though he is not that type anyway.

He's a bowling all-rounder.

Reckon a bowling all-rounder such as Faulkner and a batting all-rounder would be handy.

I had thought of Handscomb to keep/bat at 6 too, but that's a big leap.

This obsession with the all-rounder having to bat at 6 is ridiculous. We are stuck back in the old days.

Can Nevill bat at 6 with support from even 2-3 decent bowling all-rounder types to come in behind him?

Problem could be we get quite thin on for bowling, though we are on struggle street anyway.

Example...

6. P.Nevill / P.Handscomb (wk)
7. M.Stoinis / M.Marsh
8. J.Faulkner
9. M.Starc
10. J.Hazlewood
11. N.Lyon
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 08, 2016, 06:28:51 PM
I like that side, plenty of options plus 1. Blokes that really want it and 2. Surprise factor.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 08, 2016, 06:41:10 PM
Problem is Faulkner is not good enough for a 3rd seamer or bat 6 IMO.

What me need is Handscomb to bat in the top 6 allowing a Faulkner or Marsh to come in at 7 or 8.

A Keeper in the top 6 can give the team the flexibility it needs.

Yes, I can see that too.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 08, 2016, 06:43:55 PM
Faulkner behind two genuine quicks would work....not convinced Hazelwood is a No 2 bowler, batters do get a hold of him and he doesnt have the genuine pace to worry good players
on good wickets..

Hopefully that'll sort by season's end. Cummins would have to have a change of luck at some stage. Changes the whole dynamic.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 08, 2016, 06:50:09 PM
Apart from Warner, all of our batsmen are flat-track bullies who have continually had the flaws in their techniques found out on moving decks and ball.

Time for the selectors to start blooding some young stars of the future and dispense with these non-performing name brands.

More the problem is flat decks is they've been dished up the last couple of years. Don't get any chance to play on moving decks. Until we do then we'll have difficulty.

Sub continent spinning decks I've given up on. No-one is winning, we're not the only one's. there's just no way to practice in those conditions. Unless you have a world class spinner, making sub continent countries think twice about serving up dirty, dusty diabolical turners, we, nor anyone else will win there.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on November 11, 2016, 01:22:43 PM
Went for stroll around the Hobart waterfront in my lunch hour today, glorious cricket conditions, 18 or 19, sunny with some clouds, slight southeasterly off the river.  Perfect, and has been for 3 days. 

I'm telling you this so that when you tune into try to watch/listen/follow the first day tomorrow, and the next probably....and see the weather that has been dished up, you don't think that this cr@p is what is "normal" !!

cheers

Mal.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 12, 2016, 11:25:56 AM
Morale shot, sent in on a green deck.... All out for 40 I reckon.

Voges has to go, simply no idea against decent bowling.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Gointocarlton on November 12, 2016, 11:46:15 AM
5/16, we are officially a laughing stock.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 12, 2016, 11:48:32 AM
Abbott..  GET OFF THE FING PITCH OR YOU'LL GET RUN THROUGH AS WELL.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 12, 2016, 12:07:13 PM
Since the lad Hughes got killed it's fecked up the heads of our lot!

They cannot distinguish between cause and effect, and accident and an action. Crap as it was, the kid could have stumbled on the way out to the pitch and hit his head on the fence and been killed. Or he could have slipped in the shower at the hotel while getting ready for the game.

Boof has been through this, he was a shadow of himself after Hooke's death!

We need a clean sweep, players, coaches, managers, administrators, etc., etc.. They are never going to be any good, it's over for this lot!

Weather permitting you might find SA making +350 on the same pitch, close the door, turn out the lights, and hand the keys back Australian cricket is dead!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 12, 2016, 12:16:55 PM
Is there some rule that says that any Australia hit on the pad is automatically LBW?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 12, 2016, 12:24:07 PM
Is there some rule that says that any Australia hit on the pad is automatically LBW?

The problem is the lack of bat!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 12, 2016, 01:54:41 PM
Our blokes try to pick up the ball early and commit to playing a line. Works on flat pitches but any movement and they're shot.  Watch the Voges dismissal... Commits early and made no allowance for any variation and a soft, soft dismissal.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 12, 2016, 06:04:45 PM
Can't see Mennie playing a lot of tests, doesn't look like a wicket taker... Lack penetration and doesn't move it around.  How he got a game before Sayers or Bird, well only Marsh knows, because I don't see it.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 12, 2016, 06:44:36 PM
So, any reason we selected we selected Mennie ahead of Bird, especially on a green deck in Hobart?

We need a new no.5. Wondering too if we need a keeper who can make runs, maybe Handscomb. As far as the bowling goes we can't wait until the likes of Cummins etc...are fit. Lyon looks out of form too. O'Keefe would bowl just as well as bat alot better.

We also need our batsmen not to don't do dumb things. Warner has been wonderful for Australia but WTF was he thinking slashing like that in the first over.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Gointocarlton on November 12, 2016, 06:54:54 PM
So, any reason we selected we selected Mennie ahead of Bird, especially on a green deck in Hobart?

We need a new no.5. Wondering too if we need a keeper who can make runs, maybe Handscomb. As far as the bowling goes we can't wait until the likes of Cummins etc...are fit. Lyon looks out of form too. O'Keefe would bowl just as well as bat alot better.

We also need our batsmen not to don't do dumb things. Warner has been wonderful for Australia but WTF was he thinking slashing like that in the first over.
Our batsman have no clue how to dig in and just stay out in the middle. They do stupid stuff trying to win a test match in the first 50 overs. Its like racing car drivers who tangle at the first corner of a 300km race. Just stupid.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 12, 2016, 07:08:20 PM
Mennie..... Another WTF entry in the Rod Marsh selection roll of horror.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 12, 2016, 07:33:00 PM
Mennie..... Another WTF entry in the Rod Marsh selection roll of horror.

Yep. doesnt do much with the ball and isnt overly quick either....need to get DeKock out early tomorrow or I can see him slaying our attack for plenty...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: dodge on November 12, 2016, 07:47:19 PM
Warner's ok.  He would play the same shot to the same ball in the same situation and hit a 4. We wouldn't complain about that.   The flat decks are for one day and 20/20 cricket.  Most shield games get a result and there aren't many getting 100's amd 50's consistently.   We just don't have the talent and or application.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 12, 2016, 08:36:28 PM
Warner's ok.  He would play the same shot to the same ball in the same situation and hit a 4. We wouldn't complain about that.   The flat decks are for one day and 20/20 cricket.  Most shield games get a result and there aren't many getting 100's amd 50's consistently.   We just don't have the talent and or application.

Seems a little contradictory!

I think we would complain, because he makes 200 in one innings and feck all in the next 3 or 4, so we win one test in grand style then lose the series!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: dodge on November 13, 2016, 09:35:14 AM
102 innings, 16 100s and 22 50s suggests that's not right.  There is a lot of talk about who isn't performing, but not much about who is beating the door down to come into the team.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 13, 2016, 10:34:06 AM
102 innings, 16 100s and 22 50s suggests that's not right.  There is a lot of talk about who isn't performing, but not much about who is beating the door down to come into the team.

Yeah we know his averages, but 20 run innings off 9 balls face and out seems to be a common thread in the other 62% of innings. Great for 20/20 not so good for test cricket!

I recall the Nov media about in the build up to this summer, the main thread was time for Warner and Smith to step up! It's not an opinion built on stats!

I'd contend their careers so far are mostly like a 30 or 40 possession game from Tutt, in the stats and in the votes but mostly worthless!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 13, 2016, 11:57:26 AM
Warner's failures seem worse because he and Smith are the only blokes in the team who can hold a bat. 
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Post by: sandsmere on November 13, 2016, 12:30:54 PM
LP, you obviously don't like Warner.
Who would you put in his place?
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Post by: LP on November 13, 2016, 12:33:21 PM
Warner's failures seem worse because he and Smith are the only blokes in the team who can hold a bat.

They can hold a bat there is no doubt about that, when they are on they a spectacular, but even then it is often cross bat! ;)

Slogging isn't good cricket, unconventional is OK in small doses and a team can carry one or two, but we now have a large portion of our batting list that plays like Rodney Marsh played! I'd rather some Boof Leahman type batsmen, more traditional guys who can grind an innings out and not worry about scoring at a strike rate of 150, hopefully some with a straight bat!

What's the problem with Warner, Smith and others like them, after all they score heaps of runs? The main problem is they don't turn the strike over, they absorb heaps of deliveries punctuated by spectacular boundaries and leave their batting partner stranded at the other end starved for strike for extended periods, then if the boundaries do not come they often run themselves or their partner out!

Turning over the strike is key to keeping the bowlers off balance, it's the tactic that works in any conditions not just on flat track batting strips!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 13, 2016, 12:48:06 PM
LP, you obviously don't like Warner.
Who would you put in his place?

It's not that I don't like Warner, but we seem to be obsessed with picking blokes who on their day belt the pill out of the park. But that is almost irrelevant for test cricket. Proponents of Warner and Smith will argue they score so quickly they take the games away from the opponent in a session or a day, yet our recent record suggests otherwise despite both of them having periods of heavy run scoring. That is because tests go for five days, and no matter how many runs you score quickly if you leave the opponent time and overs they will generally get  the better of you!

For traditional followers of cricket, no matter how many runs players like Smith and Warner make, it stabs at your heart because they often throw away their wicket and that has an effect on the team! We need blokes who will occupy the crease, I'd be looking at younger types who don't throw their wicket away like Handscomb, Harris and Dean.
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Post by: laj on November 13, 2016, 07:13:12 PM
It's not that I don't like Warner, but we seem to be obsessed with picking blokes who on their day belt the pill out of the park. But that is almost irrelevant for test cricket. Proponents of Warner and Smith will argue they score so quickly they take the games away from the opponent in a session or a day, yet our recent record suggests otherwise despite both of them having periods of heavy run scoring. That is because tests go for five days, and no matter how many runs you score quickly if you leave the opponent time and overs they will generally get  the better of you!

For traditional followers of cricket, no matter how many runs players like Smith and Warner make, it stabs at your heart because they often throw away their wicket and that has an effect on the team! We need blokes who will occupy the crease, I'd be looking at younger types who don't throw their wicket away like Handscomb, Harris and Dean.

The think is Warner and Smith average 50ish, 56 in Smith's case. They get them often when needed too. You need blokes who can score quickly, like Gilchrist, and others who like to occupy the crease. It balances a line up out. We do need more of the latter though. Funnily enough it's where Gillespie was valuable with the bat at no 9. He averaged facing 80 balls an innings, averaging about 19. Those 80 balls though allowed the likes of Gilchrist to tear an attack apart while Gillespie held up an end. Like to see that in more established batsmen so the like of Warner can attack with support with the fear of a collapse.
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Post by: northernblue on November 13, 2016, 08:40:21 PM
The think is Warner and Smith average 50ish, 56 in Smith's case. They get them often when needed too. You need blokes who can score quickly, like Gilchrist, and others who like to occupy the crease. It balances a line up out. We do need more of the latter though. Funnily enough it's where Gillespie was valuable with the bat at no 9. He averaged facing 80 balls an innings, averaging about 19. Those 80 balls though allowed the likes of Gilchrist to tear an attack apart while Gillespie held up an end. Like to see that in more established batsmen so the like of Warner can attack with support with the fear of a collapse.

Are they real numbers Jim ? Or did you pull them out of your arse ? 😋
80 balls faced is very impressive if true...

You're right though, it's all good when your seeing it like a footy and watching it fly to the boundary, but on anything that's not a drop in the odds start looking flakey at best.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 13, 2016, 08:47:52 PM
The think is Warner and Smith average 50ish, 56 in Smith's case. They get them often when needed too. You need blokes who can score quickly, like Gilchrist, and others who like to occupy the crease. It balances a line up out. We do need more of the latter though. Funnily enough it's where Gillespie was valuable with the bat at no 9. He averaged facing 80 balls an innings, averaging about 19. Those 80 balls though allowed the likes of Gilchrist to tear an attack apart while Gillespie held up an end. Like to see that in more established batsmen so the like of Warner can attack with support with the fear of a collapse.

I agree LAJ, that is exactly what I was getting at when I said too many of one type!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on November 14, 2016, 11:38:23 AM
I don't think you can seriously suggest that Smith and Warner are the problem.

We do have a problem of course... but there would be 8 other players in the team who will go before those two. Plus the coach.

There is a fair bit riding on our 2nd innings!

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 14, 2016, 11:48:11 AM
I don't think you can seriously suggest that Smith and Warner are the problem.

How do get the rest of the team to knuckle down and grind it out when you have the two potential captains regularly playing cross bat and getting out. Don't tell me it's all been fixed by Smith's last innings, or if Warner makes 100 next innings, leaders have to lead every time they head out on the field, they are the standards bearers!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on November 14, 2016, 11:55:32 AM
So what's our 'next best' team look like? Changes need to be made ASAP surely!!

Warner
Khawaja
Smith
Patterson
Handscomb
Wade (wk)
Stoinis
Agar
Faulkner
Starc
Bird

Dunno, we've got to get some new blokes in for sure. Who they are the what the make-up of the team looks like, is anyone's guess!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 14, 2016, 12:01:48 PM
So what's our 'next best' team look like? Changes need to be made ASAP surely!!

Warner
Khawaja
Smith
Patterson
Handscomb
Wade (wk)
Stoinis
Agar
Faulkner
Starc
Bird

Dunno, we've got to get some new blokes in for sure. Who they are the what the make-up of the team looks like, is anyone's guess!

You obviously think the bowling is the problem, you changed almost every bowler but left three of the batsmen in a team that was bowled out for 85 against opposition missing it's major front line bowlers!

I think Marsh as a bowling all-rounder is OK, have Mitch Mitch coming at 7 and he's good value but not as a batting all-rounder. Nevile at 8 and Stoinis at 6.

I think if you go Handscomb then Khawaja should open, Shaun Marsh out and Stoinis in for Voges.

Tough one, the current selectors have really kicked some of those blokes around which leaves them without any support. Oddly enough, I think Neville has to stay now, Wade might make things worse because he is not a gritty batsmen.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on November 14, 2016, 12:12:55 PM
You obviously think the bowling is the problem, you changed almost every bowler but left three of the batsmen in a team that was bowled out for 85!

I think Marsh as an all-rounder is OK, have Mitch Mitch marsh coming at 7 and he's good value. Nevile at 8 and Stoinis at 6.

I think if you go Handscomb then  Khawaja should open, Shaun MArsh out, and Stoinis in for Voges.

Tough one, the current selectors have really kicked some of those blokes around which leaves them without any support. Oddly enough, I think Neville has to stay now, Wade might make things worse because he is not a gritty batsmen.

I like Nevill's temperament.

I was really just throwing some names out there for debate.

I see our bowling as incredibly weak.

Batsmen too.

Fielding also.

Think Smith is better to come in at no.3 Just my opinion.

Warner and Khawaja to open I think would work.

I think bottom line, Handscomb and Stoinis need to come in.

I really like Faulkner as a player, Agar too. Faulkner has the grit.

Funny with Wade, I think some debate for him to come in is based on his 'grit'.

Don;t mind Mitch Marsh at 7. Stoinis and him in the team together I think is handy.

Starc plus who as opening bowler? Could Mitch Marsh do the job?

Lyon I'm just not sold on. Same for Josh Hazlewood. They're not the worst though and Lyon's 200+ Test wickets is a a good effort. Who else comes in? Steve O'Keefe maybe?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 14, 2016, 12:21:36 PM
I like Nevill's temperament.

I was really just throwing some names out there for debate.

I see our bowling as incredibly weak.

Batsmen too.

Fielding also.

Think Smith is better to come in at no.3 Just my opinion.

Warner and Khawaja to open I think would work.

I think bottom line, Handscomb and Stoinis need to come in.

I really like Faulkner as a player, Agar too. Faulkner has the grit.

Funny with Wade, I think some debate for him to come in is based on his 'grit'.

Don;t mind Mitch Marsh at 7. Stoinis and him in the team together I think is handy.

Starc plus who as opening bowler? Could Mitch Marsh do the job?

Lyon I'm just not sold on. Same for Josh Hazlewood. They're not the worst though and Lyon's 200+ Test wickets is a a good effort. Who else comes in? Steve O'Keefe maybe?

Lyon's better than OK.

Hazlewood would be better if we had another front-line quick that didn't waste the new ball so often. Starc is the sort of bowler that reminds me of Tait or Thompson. The luxury you can have when you have Lillee or McGrath at the other end, but we don't have a Lillee or McGrath at the moment. Maybe having Hazelwood and Marsh open the bowling would both send Starc a message and let off some of the pressure on him! We really miss Pattinson.

Khawaja's biggest problem is his weak fielding, and if he has a bad day in the field he has a bad match with the bat!

Wade shows grit but he also has that habit of flashing at the ball on the return crease, a la Warner. These blokes play so much one day and 20/20 they cannot help themselves.

I too like Faulkner, he hasn't been respected by Australian Cricket, if he was in the UK he'd have 50 tests under his belt by now! Isn't he injured though?
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Post by: Pratty on November 14, 2016, 12:35:56 PM
Not sure on Faulkner's injury/fitness.

Always said he was a Test cricketer. Obviously the selectors see it quite differently.

Would love a fit and firing Pattinson!

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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 14, 2016, 12:52:12 PM
Lyon's better than OK.

Hazlewood would be better if we had another front-line quick that didn't waste the new ball so often. Starc is the sort of bowler that reminds me of Tait or Thompson. The luxury you can have when you have Lillee or McGrath at the other end, but we don't have a Lillee or McGrath at the moment. Maybe having Hazelwood and Marsh open the bowling would both send Starc a message and let off some of the pressure on him! We really miss Pattinson.

Khawaja's biggest problem is his weak fielding, and if he has a bad day in the field he has a bad match with the bat!

Wade shows grit but he also has that habit of flashing at the ball on the return crease, a la Warner. These blokes play so much one day and 20/20 they cannot help themselves.

I too like Faulkner, he hasn't been respected by Australian Cricket, if he was in the UK he'd have 50 tests under his belt by now! Isn't he injured though?

Rather have Wade flashing than Nevill prodding....you look at a gun like DeKock and he takes the attack to the bowlers and has just flogged our blokes, we do better with an attacking keeper at NO 7 IMO.
Hazelwood isnt quick enough for a bowler who doesnt do enough with the ball and is mpre of a N0 3 bowler IMO...
Agree we miss Pattinson...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 14, 2016, 01:42:42 PM
Will be interesting to see what happens in the next couple of hours, Mennie and Hazlewood getting the ball to move around and they are not specifically know for it!
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Post by: LP on November 14, 2016, 02:23:45 PM
::)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 14, 2016, 03:28:48 PM
Neville just doesn't make enough runs, I reckon Wade should be looked at.

Lyon has been found out and is bowling horribly.... Time to regain form at shield level.  Same for Burns.

Id look at Bancroft or Maddinson to open.

Replace Mennie with Sayers: Hazelwood is being flogged because he is accurate and looks likely, as a true test standard bowler should.  The others are not contributing enough.

Must have a spin option in Adelaide, ? Maxwell, o'Keefe, Zampa, Holland?
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Post by: Professer E on November 15, 2016, 11:28:53 AM
It craps me no end that the media spotlight has been turned on Steve Smith's captaincy when he stands at the non-striker's end and watching the numpties that the selectors expect him to win games with make the same errors over and over and over.

Sorry Voges, its over,  Thanks, but its over.  Next.

Nev....  You seem a decent bloke and a tidy gloveman but you have to make runs.  Next.

Ferg... We'll give you a thank you test in Adelaide so make sure you enjoy it.

Burnsy...  there's a shield game starting on Thursday... make sure you play in it.
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Post by: Pratty on November 15, 2016, 11:54:38 AM
I don't see us making many changes in the near future, but I think some need to be made.

I'm not done yet with Mitch Marsh either, but get some others in for starters. I'm keen on Ashton Agar too. I had Patterson at 4. Can he of Handscomb bowl? PH can keep I know. Wouldn't mind 6 bowling options with someone like Trav Head to bowl some offies to go with Agar's lefties.

Here's a potential 12.

Warner
Khawaja
Smith (c)
Handscomb
Head
Stoinis
Wade (wk)
Agar
Faulkner
Starc
Hazlewood
12th Man: Bird
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Post by: JonHenry on November 15, 2016, 01:12:38 PM
I don't see us making many changes in the near future, but I think some need to be made.

I'm not done yet with Mitch Marsh either, but get some others in for starters. I'm keen on Ashton Agar too. I had Patterson at 4. Can he of Handscomb bowl? PH can keep I know. Wouldn't mind 6 bowling options with someone like Trav Head to bowl some offies to go with Agar's lefties.

Here's a potential 12.

Warner
Khawaja
Smith (c)
Handscomb
Head
Stoinis
Wade (wk)
Agar
Faulkner
Starc
Hazlewood
12th Man: Bird

CEO - Anyone but Sutherland
HPM - What a ridiculous Position - Sack the fool
COS - Mark Taylor
Coach - Steve Waugh
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 15, 2016, 01:17:27 PM
Is cricket in it's current state because the rumors about the internal dissent over the captaincy are true?

If heads roll and Smith survives, will it destroy Australian Cricket for half a decade or more?
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Post by: JonHenry on November 15, 2016, 01:20:53 PM
Is cricket in it's current state because the rumors about the internal dissent over the captaincy are true?

If heads roll and Smith survives, will it destroy Australian Cricket for half a decade or more?

What are the rumours?
I have only heard Warne sooking like he always does.
Probably because Smith won't consult him about his decisions.
In Adelaide 2 years ago I saw Warne talking to Clarke while Clarke was at 2nd slip after play had started.
His arrogance is beyond belief
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 15, 2016, 01:42:51 PM
I refer to my earlier statements about Australian players being mentally forked by the death of Hughes.

Note, refer to the Voges and Ferguson dismissals, Tasmania, Nov 15th 2016.
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Post by: malo on November 15, 2016, 01:45:08 PM
Voges shot was a not just a get out shot...it was a get out & stay out shot.  Ferguson, should at least have a couple more tests, very poor if after waiting 10 years for a spot his only test was one it that sort of overall batting implosion.

Wade will not play another test, sorry blokes. Not a test standard keeper.  I really hope we don't fall for the trap of looking for another Gilchrist just because SAF have unearthed one either....that sort of mentality has blighted our all rounder selection process for years.  I agree Neville may not be a long term future, might need to take a punt on someone young like they did with Healy years ago....sadly that sort of inspired selection seem beyond the current Selection panel.....

Bowling, well Hazelwood was good.  Otherwise a journeyman the likes of Kyle Abbott completely showed us up on how to bowl seam up, line & length.  Exactly what Mennie was selected to do !  I wonder how Siddle would have fared on that pitch ?

As Kevin Pietersen said, the pitch was nothing horrible, just a very good test of Batting technique.....which we failed.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 15, 2016, 01:47:58 PM
As Kevin Pietersen said, the pitch was nothing horrible, just a very good test of Batting technique.....which we failed.

And there it is! :D
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 15, 2016, 02:52:53 PM
Keep Warner, Smith, Starc and Hazelwood; the rest can go back to Shield cricket.  I don't mind who they bring in but I'd prefer a couple who aren't from NSW.

The selectors really need to forget about picking teams with the future in mind.  They should only be looking ahead to the next Test and players like White and Wade should be in serious contention.
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Post by: Professer E on November 15, 2016, 04:39:38 PM
Why wouldnt we consider Wade? Captains his state and has made shield and test runs... Keepers only have to take the chances offered, they dont generate them.

Who is the current NSW keeper, he is probably the next annointed one....
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 15, 2016, 04:50:30 PM
Why wouldnt we consider Wade? Captains his state and has made shield and test runs... Keepers only have to take the chances offered, they dont generate them.

Who is the current NSW keeper, he is probably the next annointed one....

Neville missed a simple stumping with DeKock the batsman...his keeping skills are overrated IMO and his batting is no where near the level of Wades...saying that though none are anywhere near the ability of DeKock as a player...
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Post by: Professer E on November 15, 2016, 05:11:37 PM
Probably stunned that Lyon beat the bat.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 15, 2016, 06:48:23 PM
I don't see us making many changes in the near future, but I think some need to be made.

I'm not done yet with Mitch Marsh either, but get some others in for starters. I'm keen on Ashton Agar too. I had Patterson at 4. Can he of Handscomb bowl? PH can keep I know. Wouldn't mind 6 bowling options with someone like Trav Head to bowl some offies to go with Agar's lefties.

Here's a potential 12.

Warner
Khawaja
Smith (c)
Handscomb
Head
Stoinis
Wade (wk)
Agar
Faulkner
Starc
Hazlewood
12th Man: Bird

Warner
S.Marsh
Khawaja
Smith
Handscombe
Ferguson (needs more than one Test)
Wade
O'Keefe
Starc
Hazelwood
Bird (Look forward to the likes of Cummins finally being fit. Changes everything)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 15, 2016, 07:31:17 PM
If Hazelwood is your third seamer you've got a decent attack.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on November 15, 2016, 07:55:52 PM
Why wouldnt we consider Wade? Captains his state and has made shield and test runs... Keepers only have to take the chances offered, they dont generate them.

Who is the current NSW keeper, he is probably the next annointed one....

Wade is a very average keeper.
He needs a chest guard
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 15, 2016, 08:40:24 PM
Handscombe may be a better option than Wade but it's hard to see him getting a spot (as a keeper) when he's not keeping for his State.

Wade is a scrapper and he has a go; traits that seem alien to most blokes in our Test team.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 15, 2016, 09:30:15 PM
Untidy keeper who makes runs versus tidy keeper who struggles to make runs. ....hmm big call.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on November 16, 2016, 11:59:03 AM
What about Sam Whiteman from WA as keeper/bat at no.7?

I've long been a Tim Paine fan. Where's he at?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on November 16, 2016, 12:00:31 PM
Warner
S.Marsh
Khawaja
Smith
Handscombe
Ferguson (needs more than one Test)
Wade
O'Keefe
Starc
Hazelwood
Bird (Look forward to the likes of Cummins finally being fit. Changes everything)

I'd prefer a 5th bowler, at least.

Shaun Marsh, Khawaja and Ferguson are all average fielders IMO.

Warner
Khawaja
Smith
Patterson
Handscomb
Stoinis
Wade (wk)
Faulkner
O'Keefe
Starc
Hazlewood
12th: Bird
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: spf on November 16, 2016, 12:08:39 PM
Ask yourself two things:


Solve those and you'll start winning matches.

When you're looking at your proposed teams, how do they measure up?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on November 16, 2016, 12:19:45 PM
Get Warnie in as coach!!!  8)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Thryleon on November 16, 2016, 12:49:01 PM
Get Warnie in as coach!!!  8)

They would probably do better if he was playing rather than coaching...

:D
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: bratblue on November 16, 2016, 01:35:15 PM
They would probably do better if he was playing rather than coaching...

:D

Captain coach   :)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 16, 2016, 01:54:11 PM
Bit of a story breaking about the SA Captain doing the old lolly trick.

Pretty suspect, the report states he licks his fingers but the video shows him almost swallowing an index finger, his boyfriend must be very happy! :D
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on November 16, 2016, 02:11:49 PM
They would probably do better if he was playing rather than coaching...

:D

Haha...too right!!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 16, 2016, 04:32:45 PM
Saffies were warned for scrubbing the ball in the first test as well, Faf would want to be careful.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 16, 2016, 07:28:46 PM
Wade is a very average keeper.
He needs a chest guard

Need grit and toughness in the middle order though. Wade does provide that. Might be one time to go with the better batsman. While not always the best way, the way we collapse it may be the way to go this time.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 16, 2016, 08:26:51 PM
Gilchrist wasn't the greatest keeper ever either.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on November 17, 2016, 02:17:21 PM
Gilchrist wasn't the greatest keeper ever either.

True, and I'm not overly worried about Wade's keeping as such. I think his preparedness to get in the grill of the opposition, plus more than competent batting at no.6 or 7, is what we need. I'd be playing him in the 3rd Test to shake things up, along with Handscomb and Stoinis.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 17, 2016, 02:20:54 PM
Sounds like Burns carked it bad today, so can't see him getting a gig... he has technical issues to sort out.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on November 17, 2016, 02:26:09 PM
Is Shaun Marsh fit to play?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 17, 2016, 03:07:48 PM
True, and I'm not overly worried about Wade's keeping as such. I think his preparedness to get in the grill of the opposition, plus more than competent batting at no.6 or 7, is what we need. I'd be playing him in the 3rd Test to shake things up, along with Handscomb and Stoinis.

Would play Faulkner ahead of Stoinis any day of the week personally......
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on November 17, 2016, 03:18:08 PM
Would play Faulkner ahead of Stoinis any day of the week personally......

Happy to have Faulks in.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 17, 2016, 03:23:28 PM
What we need are selectors who will pick the best team for every Test.  Forget about picking blokes who may do OK in the next tour of England or India; win the next Test  >:(
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on November 17, 2016, 03:24:49 PM
Jake Lehmann has to be a chance too. Matt Renshaw is another I keep hearing about.

Add Handscomb, Patterson, Bancroft, Maddinson and Stoinis to the mix, plus Wade, and we have some options to choose from, all young too. (Wade 28yo)

James Faulkner is a made Test cricketer IMO.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on November 17, 2016, 03:48:22 PM
Jake Lehmann has to be a chance too. Matt Renshaw is another I keep hearing about.

Add Handscomb, Patterson, Bancroft, Maddinson and Stoinis to the mix, plus Wade, and we have some options to choose from, all young too. (Wade 28yo)

James Faulkner is a made Test cricketer IMO.

Lehmann looks very much in form so pick him, irrelevant who his Dad is....

Handscomg on 57no as we speak, Dean (who's he?) on 94 no.

Khawaja got a ton.

Burns failed. Gone.

Bancroft failed, Voges retired hurt!

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on November 17, 2016, 04:24:37 PM
In regards to today's Adam Voges incident.

How do blokes make it to test level unable to deal with short pitched bowling, dealing with bouncers by turning their heads away?

FFS, they have hundreds of dollars of high strength carbon fibre or titanium alloy sitting on their head and the best they can do is duck! With that headgear on you could freaking head-butt the ball Kohli style and just laugh it off, but these guys turn away exposing the back of their head to the delivery!

It's just another sign of how far Australian cricket has slipped!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on November 17, 2016, 05:08:12 PM
When your form and confidence are shot, batsmen do that kind of thing.  I suspect that his "eye" might have gone as well.  Unfortunately, for his own safety, it might be close to curtains for him.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on November 17, 2016, 05:13:18 PM
In regards to today's Adam Voges incident.

How do blokes make it to test level unable to deal with short pitched bowling, dealing with bouncers by turning their heads away?

FFS, they have hundreds of dollars of high strength carbon fibre or titanium alloy sitting on their head and the best they can do is duck! With that headgear on you could freaking head-butt the ball Kohli style and just laugh it off, but these guys turn away exposing the back of their head to the delivery!

It's just another sign of how far Australian cricket has slipped!

He made it to Test level at 36. Going by his dismissal in the Test match it looked like his "eye" had gone and wasn't picking up the ball as quickly. Age waits for no-one. Ponting had a couple of interesting bizarre-like dismissals late in his career to just before he retired.

Voges started late but made the most of his time at Test level. Father time has caught up with him. Happens to them all.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 17, 2016, 05:16:53 PM
Jake Lehmann has to be a chance too. Matt Renshaw is another I keep hearing about.

Add Handscomb, Patterson, Bancroft, Maddinson and Stoinis to the mix, plus Wade, and we have some options to choose from, all young too. (Wade 28yo)

James Faulkner is a made Test cricketer IMO.

I'm a fan of Faulkner...got some hardness about the way he plays his cricket and we dont really have a bowler who can swing/reverse and seam it at 130k which seems what you need these days...3 genuine quicks who dont swing or move the ball unless its brand new doesnt work in Test Cricket anymore.
Add his very handy batting...Starc isnt a decent No 8 and good outfielding and you have a cricketer we need in the team....its an obvious selection IMO..
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Post by: laj on November 17, 2016, 05:25:30 PM
I'm a fan of Faulkner...got some hardness about the way he plays his cricket and we dont really have a bowler who can swing/reverse and seam it at 130k which seems what you need these days...3 genuine quicks who dont swing or move the ball unless its brand new doesnt work in Test Cricket anymore.
Add his very handy batting...Starc isnt a decent No 8 and good outfielding and you have a cricketer we need in the team....its an obvious selection IMO..

Actually, Starc averages 22.45 with the bat in Test cricket, six 50s including a 99. Imagine it was higher before the series started as he hasn't made a score thus far.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 17, 2016, 07:12:14 PM
Actually, Starc averages 22.45 with the bat in Test cricket, six 50s including a 99. Imagine it was higher before the series started as he hasn't made a score thus far.

Starcs batting is overated IMo, he hasnt looked like doing anything other than giving slips catching practice to the saffies, his average is inflated IMO and is more suited when he can
throw the bat at 9/10/11.....at No 8 you have to bat responsibly at times and he gets out when he plays straight up and down to consistent line bowling...
I'd prefer Faulkner at 8 as he can defend and attack
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Post by: Pratty on November 17, 2016, 07:12:18 PM
Lehmann looks very much in form so pick him, irrelevant who his Dad is....

Handscomg on 57no as we speak, Dean (who's he?) on 94 no.

Khawaja got a ton.

Burns failed. Gone.

Bancroft failed, Voges retired hurt!

THat's the other one I wanted to mention - Travis Dean. The 2nd season Vic opener. He goes very well IMHO.
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Post by: malo on November 18, 2016, 08:18:47 AM
Starcs batting is overated IMo, he hasnt looked like doing anything other than giving slips catching practice to the saffies, his average is inflated IMO and is more suited when he can
throw the bat at 9/10/11.....at No 8 you have to bat responsibly at times and he gets out when he plays straight up and down to consistent line bowling...
I'd prefer Faulkner at 8 as he can defend and attack

Yeah, I have to agree with that about Starc, he has a good eye & can get quick runs after a good foundation.  But he's no Mitchell Johnson.  We're starting to see exactly how valuable Johnson really was coming in at #8, and for all his critics & the pressure of following on from Gilchrist, Haddons batting looks very good in comparison to what's around now. 

As an aside, I just read a bit of an extract from Haddons book regarding what he & his wife went through/is going through with his daughter.....I am astonished he was able to perform at the level he did quite frankly.  As a dad with a little girl who is my world, stories like this really choke me.

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Post by: Professer E on November 18, 2016, 09:41:43 AM
People forget that the side has lost a nucleus of a good side in  Rogers, Clarke, Haddin, Harris and Johnson... essentially in one season.  Blokes that were always going to prove difficult to find replacements for, especially coupled with the unfortunate death of Hughes.

I distantly know an ex-Aussie selector and he was of the opinion that Harris was the best pace bowler since Lillee.  Hard to replace world XI type players.

As for Starc - he is a poor man's Johnson.  Needs to find consistency with bat and ball. 

Injuries have thwarted any attempt at getting a decent bowling group on the park, I've given up on Cummins and Pattinson, now Faulkner is an LTI.  Time to groom alternatives.
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Post by: laj on November 18, 2016, 12:18:39 PM
People forget that the side has lost a nucleus of a good side in  Rogers, Clarke, Haddin, Harris and Johnson... essentially in one season.  Blokes that were always going to prove difficult to find replacements for, especially coupled with the unfortunate death of Hughes.

I distantly know an ex-Aussie selector and he was of the opinion that Harris was the best pace bowler since Lillee.  Hard to replace world XI type players.

As for Starc - he is a poor man's Johnson.  Needs to find consistency with bat and ball. 

Injuries have thwarted any attempt at getting a decent bowling group on the park, I've given up on Cummins and Pattinson, now Faulkner is an LTI.  Time to groom alternatives.

Those blokes have been gone for a little while now. Until the last 5 Tests we still managed to play decent cricket and progress to world No.1. Just lost the lot recently.

My biggest issue though has been Cricket Australia. The last few years they have obviously instructed curators to dish up road after road after road to make Tests go 5 days. Unfortunately it meant our players have have no experience of pitches that swing or seam and as soon as they are exposed to such conditions they are lost. Unfortunately our batsmen can only play on the pitches that are dished up to them. Now we have that have movement we are in trouble. Important now we make sure there is at least something in pitches at Shield level to force batsmen to use the right technique or otherwise perish in the game.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 18, 2016, 01:00:53 PM
Those blokes have been gone for a little while now. Until the last 5 Tests we still managed to play decent cricket and progress to world No.1. Just lost the lot recently.

My biggest issue though has been Cricket Australia. The last few years they have obviously instructed curators to dish up road after road after road to make Tests go 5 days. Unfortunately it meant our players have have no experience of pitches that swing or seam and as soon as they are exposed to such conditions they are lost. Unfortunately our batsmen can only play on the pitches that are dished up to them. Now we have that have movement we are in trouble. Important now we make sure there is at least something in pitches at Shield level to force batsmen to use the right technique or otherwise perish in the game.

Jim..Years gone by back in our day Aus cricketers played county cricket and tightened up their techniques vs the moving ball, now its IPL and any other forms of 20/20 cricket they go and play which does bugger all
for their technique. Its only the non 20/20 types like recently retired Chris Rogers who would have played their share of county cricket and improved their game. no surprise he was a success later in his career given he did all the hard yards at county level and had a tight technique and knew how to leave a good delivery.
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Post by: laj on November 18, 2016, 01:46:44 PM
Jim..Years gone by back in our day Aus cricketers played county cricket and tightened up their techniques vs the moving ball, now its IPL and any other forms of 20/20 cricket they go and play which does bugger all
for their technique. Its only the non 20/20 types like recently retired Chris Rogers who would have played their share of county cricket and improved their game. no surprise he was a success later in his career given he did all the hard yards at county level and had a tight technique and knew how to leave a good delivery.

Unfortunately that's the way of the world now. Not much we can do about that as the money is huge in 20/20 cricket. Hence we have to do that at home now, making sure there is something in the pitches at first class level that allow for ball movement. We've just had way too many roads the last few years so all we've learned is to smack the ball with hard hands in front of the pads. Then we go to England or play South Africa here on moving pitches and can't adjust.
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Post by: LP on November 18, 2016, 03:21:00 PM
How bad must Nathan Lyon be feeling at the moment.

He's been made a scapegoat for some shizen captaincy and batting at test level. He's moved states to play under the bloke that currently white-ants him favoring his new team-mate. He has 200 test wickets but gets bowled behind his potential replacement. In the current match Dean and Handscomb have torn him a new one!

What's that about the grass always being greener? :o

He must be thinking to himself, next time take the blue pill!
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Post by: DJC on November 18, 2016, 05:22:35 PM
Handscomb - 215
Dean - 134
White - 75no

Bad luck they're not playing for NSW  ::)
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 18, 2016, 05:34:34 PM
Handscomb - 215
Dean - 134
White - 75no

Bad luck they're not playing for NSW  ::)

Reckon Handscomb will get picked for Voges next test...
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Post by: DJC on November 18, 2016, 05:42:43 PM
Reckon Handscomb will get picked for Voges next test...

All three would be in the eleven if it was picked on form and winning the Test was the objective.
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Post by: laj on November 18, 2016, 07:53:27 PM
How bad must Nathan Lyon be feeling at the moment.

He's been made a scapegoat for some shizen captaincy and batting at test level. He's moved states to play under the bloke that currently white-ants him favoring his new team-mate. He has 200 test wickets but gets bowled behind his potential replacement. In the current match Dean and Handscomb have torn him a new one!

What's that about the grass always being greener? :o

He must be thinking to himself, next time take the blue pill!

In the first innings against Victoria he took 0/137 from 38 overs. Think he might be in trouble.
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Post by: Professer E on November 18, 2016, 09:12:52 PM
Smith's captaincy may be shizen but Lyon's bowling is shizen, and that's why he will be dropped.
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Post by: DJC on November 18, 2016, 09:44:34 PM
A caller to SEN asked whether a fieldsman can change positions after the bowler starts his run up.  A NSW slips fielder moved to leg slip as the bowler was approaching.  The batsman, White, swept and the ball passed the fieldsman for four runs.

Chuck Berry immediately said that it would have been Smith as he has tried it several times before.  Surely the Aussie captain should play according to the rules.
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Post by: sandsmere on November 19, 2016, 06:08:19 AM
Renshaw to open with Warner I reckon.
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Post by: laj on November 19, 2016, 10:02:40 AM
A caller to SEN asked whether a fieldsman can change positions after the bowler starts his run up.  A NSW slips fielder moved to leg slip as the bowler was approaching.  The batsman, White, swept and the ball passed the fieldsman for four runs.

Chuck Berry immediately said that it would have been Smith as he has tried it several times before.  Surely the Aussie captain should play according to the rules.

Actually someone took a catch that way in a Test match and the ICC said it was legal afterwards. Going off memory.
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Post by: LP on November 19, 2016, 10:21:35 AM
Actually someone took a catch that way in a Test match and the ICC said it was legal afterwards. Going off memory.

Really it's outside of the intent of the rules, it was brought in to deal with batsmen who change their stance during the deliver stride.

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Steven Smith's catch to dismiss Fawad Alam in 2014 was an example of legal anticipation

The MCC has confirmed an update to the Laws that allows a fielder to make a "significant movement" before the striker has played the ball. The ICC, in consultation with the MCC, had already introduced a playing condition to this effect last year, which came to light after Steven Smith took a catch to remove Fawad Alam* in an ODI in Abu Dhabi.

Previously, under Laws 41.7 and 41.8, Smith's movement would have resulted in a dead ball, with "significant movement ... before the ball reaches the striker" deemed as "unfair".

They have now been replaced by a single Law .417, governing movement by fielders other than the wicketkeeper. The change is designed to promote "intelligent fielding" and allows a player to move if it becomes obvious a batsman will play the ball in a certain direction.
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Post by: laj on November 19, 2016, 10:48:55 AM
Really it's outside of the intent of the rules, it was brought in to deal with batsmen who change their stance during the deliver stride.

I'm glad my memory still functions reasonably at least at my age. C.R.A.F.T. disease hasn't quite kicked in yet..lol.
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Post by: flyboy77 on November 19, 2016, 03:21:09 PM
i note the much hyped NSW line up was humbled vs the Vics today....
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Post by: LP on November 19, 2016, 06:25:01 PM
i note the much hyped NSW line up was humbled vs the Vics today....

Smith puts Lyon in to be night watchmen, what a fecking joke of a Test Captain!
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Post by: Professer E on November 19, 2016, 07:41:19 PM
What's your beef with Smith?  Who else can do the job?  He is doing what he can with the little he has.... strewth, Steve Waugh or AB would struggle to get the current mob to perform.  In Lyon's case you can't pull your socks up if you ain't wearing any.
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Post by: LP on November 20, 2016, 11:48:37 AM
What's your beef with Smith?  Who else can do the job?  He is doing what he can with the little he has.... strewth, Steve Waugh or AB would struggle to get the current mob to perform.  In Lyon's case you can't pull your socks up if you ain't wearing any.

Leaders have got to lead, especially when things are getting tough.

Smith's willingness to use a night-watchman makes me think he's looking for a way out of the kitchen, things are getting too hot for him!

Even if Lyon put his hand up to be a night-watchman, Smith should have said no and took on the responsibility!
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Post by: DJC on November 20, 2016, 12:40:20 PM
I'm not convinced about Smith as captain.  He seems to do OK when the team is well placed but struggles when the team is up against it.

I don't think Cricket Australia considered options when they anointed Smith for the role.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 20, 2016, 01:22:09 PM
I'd make Warner captain....not everyones cup of tea is Davey boy but he has some mongrel in him which good Aussie captains have....
Smith is a nice bloke...but he is still maturing IMO and reminds of when Kim Hughes got the job...
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Post by: laj on November 20, 2016, 01:38:07 PM
I'd make Warner captain....not everyones cup of tea is Davey boy but he has some mongrel in him which good Aussie captains have....
Smith is a nice bloke...but he is still maturing IMO and reminds of when Kim Hughes got the job...

While it's not alot of evidence the side lifted 2 to 3 notches during the one day series in Sri Lanka when Smith was sent home to rest and Warner become captain. We actually went on to win the series 4-1. The only thing we've won since February.
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Post by: DJC on November 20, 2016, 05:33:05 PM
The selectors have made a start by dropping Joe Burns, Adam Voges, Peter Nevill, Joe Mennie and Callum Ferguson.

Matthew Renshaw (Queensland), Peter Handscomb (Victoria), Nic Maddinson (New South Wales) and Chadd Sayers (South Australia) get their first chance and Matthew Wade and Jackson Bird have been recalled to the 12 man squad.

I would have included Cam White and Travis Dean but I think there's a limit on the number of Victorians you can have in the squad.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 20, 2016, 05:41:30 PM
The selectors have made a start by dropping Joe Burns, Adam Voges, Peter Nevill, Joe Mennie and Callum Ferguson.

Matthew Renshaw (Queensland), Peter Handscomb (Victoria), Nic Maddinson (New South Wales) and Chadd Sayers (South Australia) get their first chance and Matthew Wade and Jackson Bird have been recalled to the 12 man squad.

I would have included Cam White and Travis Dean but I think there's a limit on the number of Victorians you can have in the squad.

The Sheik must be the new Chief selector :)..this is scorched earth selection policy and what we needed.....
Agree on Dean....dont see White playing test cricket again....this is rebuild stuff....the Yorkshireman Sam Whiteman is a tad unlucky.....might have him thinking about an English Test career if he gets overlooked again..
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Post by: LP on November 20, 2016, 05:49:27 PM
Maddinson has had a sh1te season, 3 knocks over 30 in his last 13 innings.

Perhaps he is in for his bowling, nup 1 wicket in eight innings. :o

WTF, it's another NSW miracle selection!  >:(

A sceptical cricket follower could be forgiven for thinking they have picked some out of form blokes who will fail in time for the anointed favourites to return. I'll piss myself laughing if they go well and stitch up the blessed ones. :D
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Post by: DJC on November 20, 2016, 05:58:05 PM
The Sheik must be the new Chief selector :)..this is scorched earth selection policy and what we needed.....
Agree on Dean....dont see White playing test cricket again....this is rebuild stuff....the Yorkshireman Sam Whiteman is a tad unlucky.....might have him thinking about an English Test career if he gets overlooked again..

White is in career best form with the bat . . . and he's a only year older than Ferguson and four years younger than Voges.

The selectors should simply be picking the 12 players best able to win the next Test and White has the form, ability and cricket nous to get the job done.
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Post by: laj on November 20, 2016, 06:07:39 PM
Leaders have got to lead, especially when things are getting tough.

Smith's willingness to use a night-watchman makes me think he's looking for a way out of the kitchen, things are getting too hot for him!

Even if Lyon put his hand up to be a night-watchman, Smith should have said no and took on the responsibility!

Lyon's done the nightwatchman job a few times in Tests, including under Clarke.
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Post by: DJC on November 20, 2016, 07:42:41 PM
Lyon's done the nightwatchman job a few times in Tests, including under Clarke.

The symbolism of Lyon coming in as nightwatchman shouldn't be underestimated.  It clearly informed the Vics that Smith wasn't confident that he could keep the bowlers out and trying to win the game wasn't an option for NSW.  It was meek, reactive captaincy that seems to come to the fore when things aren't going well for Smith.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 20, 2016, 07:53:59 PM
White is in career best form with the bat . . . and he's a only year older than Ferguson and four years younger than Voges.

The selectors should simply be picking the 12 players best able to win the next Test and White has the form, ability and cricket nous to get the job done.

Dont disagree he is in form..my point is I dont see the selectors going back to too many old players given the media and public have caned the dads army selection policy..Maddinson averages 37 in 1st class cricket which isnt exactly mind blowing and is a IPL player in terms of technique but gets a game based on youth and promise rather than results....and playing for the right state.
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Post by: flyboy77 on November 20, 2016, 11:00:57 PM
Dont disagree he is in form..my point is I dont see the selectors going back to too many old players given the media and public have caned the dads army selection policy..Maddinson averages 37 in 1st class cricket which isnt exactly mind blowing and is a IPL player in terms of technique but gets a game based on youth and promise rather than results....and playing for the right state.

i reckon the LehmANN lad would have got a gig if he'd even managed a 50 this weekend....
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Post by: JonHenry on November 21, 2016, 06:44:50 AM
Picking Wade just doesn't make sense.
I've never seen a keeper get hit in the chest by the ball as much as this guy. Sure he can bat, but we are off to India soon and another change will be needed.
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Post by: sandsmere on November 21, 2016, 06:49:27 AM
Renshaw to open with Warner I reckon.


Ah well.  . . . you heard it on here first.  :D . .  ;) . .  ;)
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Post by: LP on November 21, 2016, 07:49:46 AM
The should have picked Ellyse Perry, she has a better technique than half the other options!
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Post by: JonHenry on November 21, 2016, 08:19:25 AM
White is in career best form with the bat . . . and he's a only year older than Ferguson and four years younger than Voges.

The selectors should simply be picking the 12 players best able to win the next Test and White has the form, ability and cricket nous to get the job done.

So are you saying the shouldn't try to build a team for the longer period?
Players should be test ready when they are first selected?

That's pretty short term thinking and exactly what got us in the predicament we are now in.
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Post by: Pratty on November 21, 2016, 09:13:21 AM
How has Maddinson got a gig ahead of Patterson? Got talent for sure...otherwise, I am happy with the changes. Hoping Lyon does not play.
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Post by: DJC on November 21, 2016, 09:55:34 AM
So are you saying the shouldn't try to build a team for the longer period?
Players should be test ready when they are first selected?

That's pretty short term thinking and exactly what got us in the predicament we are now in.

We're in the predicament we are now largely because the selectors have focused on blokes who they think could develop into test players and with a couple of blokes who are past it thrown in for good measure.

Picking the best 12 players available isn't such a radical approach.
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Post by: flyboy77 on November 21, 2016, 10:40:41 AM
How has Maddinson got a gig ahead of Patterson? Got talent for sure...otherwise, I am happy with the changes. Hoping Lyon does not play.

Lyon shouldn't plY BASED ON FORM. Smith can bowl a few?
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Post by: Pratty on November 21, 2016, 11:39:31 AM
Lyon shouldn't plY BASED ON FORM. Smith can bowl a few?

I think Smith should start to get those leggies going again, just as a part-time option. Would be handy if he can land them effectively for some overs.
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Post by: Professer E on November 21, 2016, 02:37:36 PM
Was initially picked for Australia as a leggie.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 21, 2016, 06:42:54 PM
Was initially picked for Australia as a leggie.

Not much joy in Aus for spinners....be interesting to see how Yasir Shah goes when he plays for Pakistan after the Saffie series, best leg spinner since Warnie is what they are calling him. Dont see us providing any dry turning wickets...reckon greentops.....

I'd play Maxwell ahead of Lyon......Lyon is tight but Maxwell breaks partnerships and you get the bonus of his batting and fielding...Ali of England does the same job and stuffed us up bigtime batting at 7/8 in the last ashes series and has gone on to bigger and better things...
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Post by: Professer E on November 21, 2016, 07:02:38 PM
Agree 100% Brother Elwood... Maxwell can bat, is the best field in the country and can at least bowl darts to hold up an end.

Lyon lacks penetration and doesn't tie down an end -  batsmen have finally realised that they can go after him with much risk as he neither spins it enough to pose a threat or beats them with flight.  He does not possess any meaningful variations that I can see... no chucks, I mean Carom balls, over spinners, sliders, arm nuts or scooters.  That said, I give Lyon plaudits  for eking 100% from his ability, trying his guts out with the bat and fielding solidly.
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Post by: Pratty on November 22, 2016, 09:08:57 AM
Not much joy in Aus for spinners....be interesting to see how Yasir Shah goes when he plays for Pakistan after the Saffie series, best leg spinner since Warnie is what they are calling him. Dont see us providing any dry turning wickets...reckon greentops.....

I'd play Maxwell ahead of Lyon......Lyon is tight but Maxwell breaks partnerships and you get the bonus of his batting and fielding...Ali of England does the same job and stuffed us up bigtime batting at 7/8 in the last ashes series and has gone on to bigger and better things...

Nice point elwood.

Maxy at 7 or 8 bowling his offies and providing that sharp and energetic fielding (freakish even) would be welcome.

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Post by: DJC on November 22, 2016, 10:12:44 AM
Nice point elwood.

Maxy at 7 or 8 bowling his offies and providing that sharp and energetic fielding (freakish even) would be welcome.

Maxwell is the type of cricketer that wins matches, but not one on whom the selectors are prepared to gamble.  It's quite strange given their propensity to select players who don't seem to have done enough to warrant selection or who aren't doing enough to stay in the team. 
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Post by: malo on November 22, 2016, 02:40:52 PM
Maxwell is the type of cricketer that wins matches, but not one on whom the selectors are prepared to gamble.  It's quite strange given their propensity to select players who don't seem to have done enough to warrant selection or who aren't doing enough to stay in the team.

What we also need is a skipper who will fight tooth & nail for the type of blokes he wants in the team with him.  Not sure Smith has that tenacity yet.  Ponting fought (almost demanded) that a similar player (Andrew Symonds) was selected in his side despite some off field hi-jinx.  And he could have been a match winner over a decent length of time if the ACB hadn't completely stabbed him & Ponting in the back by pandering to the Indians over the "monkeygate" incident.  Symonds lost his interest in the game from then on.

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Post by: DJC on November 24, 2016, 09:18:15 PM
Picking Wade just doesn't make sense.
I've never seen a keeper get hit in the chest by the ball as much as this guy. Sure he can bat, but we are off to India soon and another change will be needed.

Four catches and a stumping!

It will be a bonus if Wade makes runs to go with his very good performance with the gloves  :)
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 24, 2016, 09:44:47 PM
Four catches and a stumping!

It will be a bonus if Wade makes runs to go with his very good performance with the gloves  :)

Wade was good and I dont see much wrong with his keeping....Saffies look a bit carefree and apart from Captain Minty didnt show much fight or effort, reckon we can win this test and
build a team to play the Paki's...
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Post by: Professer E on November 24, 2016, 10:01:23 PM
Saffies have been made to look better than they are by our hopelessly inept batting.

Attack ran out of gas after tea and needed a fifth option but you can't have everything.

Honest, solid effort by the Aussies today IMO.  Saffies all out for < 300 and none down at stumps... we can win this.
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Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on November 24, 2016, 10:06:28 PM
Rookie mistake 101 Skipper - Faf played Smith on a break with that declaration which saw little Davey not able to open the innings cause he was in the rooms for too long watching his "OLED" ;)
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Post by: Professer E on November 24, 2016, 10:13:09 PM
Yes, but two young batsmen had a chance to stick down a marker and they did.
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Post by: DJC on November 24, 2016, 10:20:37 PM
Yes, but two young batsmen had a chance to stick down a marker and they did.

Yes, poor captaincy by Smith and lack of awareness from Warner but it may just work to our advantage.
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Post by: Bear on November 25, 2016, 12:39:55 PM
Reckon Faf was being a bit too clever with his declaration tactic... I'd say it's backfired given we didn't loose a wicket.

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Post by: LP on November 25, 2016, 01:00:27 PM
Reckon Faf was being a bit too clever with his declaration tactic... I'd say it's backfired given we didn't loose a wicket.

It will be if they put on a decent partnership and Warner comes in against a docile attack not getting the ball off straight.

The spinner will be a big part of the game once we lose an opener.

We need a shed load of runs, nobody is going to want to bat on this pitch come day five. It was already popping and weaving on day one.
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Post by: laj on November 25, 2016, 01:27:49 PM
Faf's not as smart as he thinks. If it was 10 and 11 batting then by all means declare but he himself was 118 no and in a decent partnership with the no.11. When you are 9/259 10, 20 30 runs extra is priceless. He missed out on those trying to be clever.  Khawaja has opened many times for his state and has batted a bit with Renshaw, so it was no issue. Meant that SA got less runs than they should of, didn't get a wicket and now Warner comes in to face and older ball.
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Post by: harrisendblue on November 25, 2016, 02:47:56 PM
Faf's not as smart as he thinks.

Agree laj,

Faf should have declared when they were about 7 for 150 odd. Would have been enough runs to still win by an innings. By dragging it out they may risk having to play for an extra day.
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Post by: Bear on November 25, 2016, 03:00:31 PM
Faf's not as smart as he thinks. If it was 10 and 11 batting then by all means declare but he himself was 118 no and in a decent partnership with the no.11. When you are 9/259 10, 20 30 runs extra is priceless. He missed out on those trying to be clever.  Khawaja has opened many times for his state and has batted a bit with Renshaw, so it was no issue. Meant that SA got less runs than they should of, didn't get a wicket and now Warner comes in to face and older ball.

Yep... why declare, just go the tonk (as they were) and you either add some runs quickly or get to bowl.

The only way it works is if you get Warner out before stumps... so he should have actually waited for Warner to come back on and then declared. If you did that and then got Warner you would be pretty happy with yourself... but I'd rather take the extra runs.
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Post by: DJC on November 25, 2016, 09:01:58 PM
Maddinson  :o
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on November 25, 2016, 09:18:14 PM
Wade came in, showed some attitude, then departed pretty quickly!

I wonder how he was seeing the pink ball  ???
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Post by: DJC on November 25, 2016, 10:00:26 PM
Batted for a day; objective achieved!
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Post by: malo on November 26, 2016, 06:19:00 PM
Wade came in, showed some attitude, then departed pretty quickly!

I wonder how he was seeing the pink ball  ???

Pretty poorly if that miss of Alma was anything to go by....feet were set in concrete.

Just as well he's in for his batting......or is just in for his yap.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 26, 2016, 07:28:05 PM
Pretty poorly if that miss of Alma was anything to go by....feet were set in concrete.

Just as well he's in for his batting......or is just in for his yap.

Dont think yap has too much effect these days, every team has yappers and its over rated IMO...Wade stuffed that edge for sure but Renshaw wouldnt be my ideal 1st slip either...
Jackson Bird can look a bit pedestrian and Lyon seems devoid of confidence......Steven Cook has one of the worst techniques I have seen, how he got a century vs England is beyond me....
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Post by: Professer E on November 27, 2016, 07:56:36 AM
I thought it was Renshaw's catch.
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Post by: flyboy77 on November 27, 2016, 07:57:57 AM
Lyon lifted in what could have been his last Test.

We should win from here....
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Post by: JonHenry on November 27, 2016, 08:26:58 AM
I thought it was Renshaw's catch.

If wade had moved his feet it would have been a very simple catch
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Post by: flyboy77 on November 27, 2016, 08:48:55 AM
If wade had moved his feet it would have been a very simple catch

agreed. he stuffed it. it happens, even with good keepers!
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Post by: LP on November 27, 2016, 12:09:31 PM
agreed. he stuffed it. it happens, even with good keepers!

Firstly, Renshaw stands too wide. Normally the keeper would sort this out but they are both new in the team this week so you can expect a few games for them to get it right. They haven't even had much time to train together because of Shield commitments.

If you are going to stand in the wrong place make sure it's too close not too far!

Secondly, Wade would normally have Cameron White at 1st slip who is the best first slip in Australia and probably would have covered that catch easily. Also White would have been standing in the right place!

Finally, apparently testing has proven that the pink ball under lights is causing players a real problem with depth perception. To me the pink ball also looks a little fluorescent which makes it even hard to judge distance, this is based on my experience with the old fluro orange and yellow cricket balls, but I bet it is true.

In night cricket if you line up a white, fluro-orange and fluro-yellow cricket balls side-by-side the two fluro balls look bigger which makes you think they are closer than they really are, especially as you move further away the apparent size difference is remarkable. (I often wonder if this has some relationship to the full moon size illusion.) This causes you to go for catches that are out of reach, or move too slowly thinking the ball is falling closer than it really is, and you start getting hit on the end of the fingers or falling short of the catch. You then begin to doubt your judgement and that leaves you late to move.

Notice a number of Australian players are wearing tinted glasses at night, they are trying to dial down the contrast on the pink ball so so they judge the distance to the ball better.
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Post by: LP on November 27, 2016, 12:23:17 PM
I listened to radio most of yesterday, the ABC commentators bagged Lyon relentlessly. I have no idea what Lyon has done to those guys but they obviously do not like him, they want O'Keefe end of story. It got to the point I had to watch some highlights to make sense of what was being said, only to find out half of the broadcast was bulls1t commentary!

Reality is this. The likes of Warne, Peterson and Chappell have been on about this for some time, not that I'm a great fan of Chappell at the moment as he says some weird stuff, but he's right about this. Lyon's performance is being hampered by some ordinary field setting and decision making. He's Australia's premier spinner and when he used correctly to the right field settings he can control a game. You don't support a test spinner by setting One Day cricket fields and using One Day cricket tactics. Too often Lyon is coming into bowl after batsmen are set, it's not a 20/20 power-play it's test cricket, Lyon should be used when batsmen are fresh to the crease not when they are are 20 runs after 15 overs. This is very odd, because the team is selected such that ideal bowling combination for new batsmen is Starc and Lyon. Hopefully the Captain will improve, then we will improve as a team.

You can expect that even if we rap this innings up quickly, we will then struggle to make the target, that it will be Lyon's fault and not the batsmen, captain or selectors. this is despite Lyon being the only really effective spinner in the game so far!
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Post by: laj on November 27, 2016, 07:51:34 PM
I listened to radio most of yesterday, the ABC commentators bagged Lyon relentlessly. I have no idea what Lyon has done to those guys but they obviously do not like him, they want O'Keefe end of story. It got to the point I had to watch some highlights to make sense of what was being said, only to find out half of the broadcast was bulls1t commentary!

Reality is this. The likes of Warne, Peterson and Chappell have been on about this for some time, not that I'm a great fan of Chappell at the moment as he says some weird stuff, but he's right about this. Lyon's performance is being hampered by some ordinary field setting and decision making. He's Australia's premier spinner and when he used correctly to the right field settings he can control a game. You don't support a test spinner by setting One Day cricket fields and using One Day cricket tactics. Too often Lyon is coming into bowl after batsmen are set, it's not a 20/20 power-play it's test cricket, Lyon should be used when batsmen are fresh to the crease not when they are are 20 runs after 15 overs. This is very odd, because the team is selected such that ideal bowling combination for new batsmen is Starc and Lyon. Hopefully the Captain will improve, then we will improve as a team.

You can expect that even if we rap this innings up quickly, we will then struggle to make the target, that it will be Lyon's fault and not the batsmen, captain or selectors. this is despite Lyon being the only really effective spinner in the game so far!

Once he got his confidence back and started bowling more slowly he bowled really well, especially in the 2nd innings. Spell late last night might've been a career saver. Actually the pressure all 4 bowlers applied as a group was outstanding and put alot of pressure on SA.
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Post by: laj on November 27, 2016, 07:54:10 PM
If wade had moved his feet it would have been a very simple catch

He worked on that before play today, so they saw it as an issue, and he took a great catch down the legside. Bar that error he had a good game behind the stumps.

Ironically, Nevill made 179no today in the Shield match.
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Post by: shadesy on November 28, 2016, 01:45:41 PM
I thought it was Renshaw's catch.

Always the keepers catch...

And first slip should have been going for it though and the positioning was poor/ LA over always means you are blindsided for a split second as a keeper as it passes through the batsmen and edges tend to fly a bit finer, and a keeper can get caught flat footed as the ball is not sighted. Renshaw should have been finer.

(I was a keeper if that means anything at all...)
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on November 28, 2016, 02:14:06 PM
Always the keepers catch...

And first slip should have been going for it though and the positioning was poor/ LA over always means you are blindsided for a split second as a keeper as it passes through the batsmen and edges tend to fly a bit finer, and a keeper can get caught flat footed as the ball is not sighted. Renshaw should have been finer.

(I was a keeper if that means anything at all...)

Tradional for aussie 1st slips to field wider though isnt it?..agree it was the keepers catch..
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Post by: Pratty on December 09, 2016, 02:26:10 PM
Possible future Test XI?????

1. Warner
2. Renshaw
3. Khawaja
4. Smith (c)
5. Handscomb
6. Head
7. Wade (wk)
8. Pattinson
9. Starc
10. Cummins
11. Hazlewood

Bring in a spinner (Lyon, Holland, O'Keefe, Agar, Zampa) when need be. Maybe Head can bowl some decent offies to hold up an end and as a change bowler whilst the quicks unleash!

Other quicks to consider include Faulkner, Bird and Sayers.
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Post by: flyboy77 on December 10, 2016, 07:52:34 AM
Thought Faulkner' bowling was very ordinary last night.....

And Mitch M. was given ZERO overs. Odd.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 10, 2016, 08:14:01 AM
Thought Faulkner' bowling was very ordinary last night.....

And Mitch M. was given ZERO overs. Odd.

Been a fan of Faulkner but I'd have to agree his bowling isnt what it was, no swing, no real movement off the wicket
and at a very hittable medium pace..

M.Marsh is like Shane Watson , has his moments but when confronted by real quality players cant get it done..

New Zealand apart from Guptill, Williamson and Boult sent over a holiday team and didnt look interested...

Reckon Sayers might play vs the Paki's with a view to taking a genuine swing bowler to England for the next Ashes series...
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Post by: Raydan on December 10, 2016, 08:22:04 AM
Possible future Test XI?????

1. Warner
2. Renshaw
3. Khawaja
4. Smith (c)
5. Handscomb
6. Head
7. Wade (wk)
8. Pattinson
9. Starc
10. Cummins
11. Hazlewood

Bring in a spinner (Lyon, Holland, O'Keefe, Agar, Zampa) when need be. Maybe Head can bowl some decent offies to hold up an end and as a change bowler whilst the quicks unleash!

Other quicks to consider include Faulkner, Bird and Sayers.

I know you Vics get a woody every time Pattison is mentioned but he is a level below Starc and Hazelwood at the moment and the untapped potential of Cummins gets him into my line as well. You have to have a spinner in a test side and Head's nude balls don't cut it against a good test side.

Lyon started to get his drift back last test, however in the long term, I'd love to see Agar come on, he can bat, his bowling needs to get better but if he could be the answer at 6 (big ask) or we find a better keeper batsman who could go to 6, then we could play your 4 quicks Pratty and gift Pattison a game or when the need arises get a Zampa in on a turning track.

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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 10, 2016, 08:45:49 AM
I know you Vics get a woody every time Pattison is mentioned but he is a level below Starc and Hazelwood at the moment and the untapped potential of Cummins gets him into my line as well. You have to have a spinner in a test side and Head's nude balls don't cut it against a good test side.

Lyon started to get his drift back last test, however in the long term, I'd love to see Agar come on, he can bat, his bowling needs to get better but if he could be the answer at 6 (big ask) or we find a better keeper batsman who could go to 6, then we could play your 4 quicks Pratty and gift Pattison a game or when the need arises get a Zampa in on a turning track.

Lyon has to play as the spinner IMO...problem in Aus is we have no real wicket taking spinners and the pitches dont suit. Lyon wont run through any teams but is tidy.
Leg spinners are what we do well but we dont have any real good ones....Zampa doesnt turn his leggie and relies on toppies and flippers only....
We are looking for that player like England have in Ali who can bat anywhere in the order but still bowl some handy spin, Agar is no Ali with the bat and wouldnt be able to bat at 6 IMO..
I think Whiteman will be our next keeper/.batsman but will play at 7...if you want the keeper that can bat at five or six like some of the other teams seem to be able to produce then give the gloves to Handscomb...
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Post by: Professer E on December 10, 2016, 11:21:58 AM
I'll counter that view Rayden as I have been waiting to see Cummins again for a while and frankly I wasn't particularly impressed - lacked control/consistency and relied upon seam instead of the swing he once had.  Seems to always err on the short side and that's a big no no for red ball cricket IMO.

Personally I'd rank him about par with Pattinson - and I'd only consider either if they were consistently taking shield wickets and taking them with away movement.

We need to be developing that third option, and I agree that a bloke who moves the ball away from the bat such as Bird and/or Sayers must be in the frame.

Faulkner is a player who I really like but his time seems to be past - bowling is pretty pedestrian these days and there are plenty of similar handy batty options... but I'd still play him before Mitch Marsh who simply isn't up to it.  Hits powerfully through the line but other that looks stiff and wooden.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 10, 2016, 11:54:06 AM
I'll counter that view Rayden as I have been waiting to see Cummins again for a while and frankly I wasn't particularly impressed - lacked control/consistency and relied upon seam instead of the swing he once had.  Seems to always err on the short side and that's a big no no for red ball cricket IMO.

Personally I'd rank him about par with Pattinson - and I'd only consider either if they were consistently taking shield wickets and taking them with away movement.

We need to be developing that third option, and I agree that a bloke who moves the ball away from the bat such as Bird and/or Sayers must be in the frame.

Faulkner is a player who I really like but his time seems to be past - bowling is pretty pedestrian these days and there are plenty of similar handy batty options... but I'd still play him before Mitch Marsh who simply isn't up to it.  Hits powerfully through the line but other that looks stiff and wooden.


Cummins has changed his action and doesnt swing the ball anymore..,more of the angle in and get the ball to seam away type bowler now, like I said I reckon they will go with Sayers and try and develop a genuine swing bowler to compliment Starc and Hazlewood.
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Post by: LP on December 10, 2016, 12:33:21 PM
Personally I'd rank him about par with Pattinson - and I'd only consider either if they were consistently taking shield wickets and taking them with away movement.

I think Pattinson when fit is well ahead of Cummins and Hazelwood and for what it is worth has better new ball control than Starc.

I suspect if Pattinson had been fit Marsh will still be in a job and Sth Africa might not have won.
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Post by: DJC on December 10, 2016, 02:58:23 PM
In the context of fast bowlers changing their actions, did anyone see Doug Ackerly's interviewed about the impact of the front foot rule?

Quote
This, Ackerly argues, changed everything.

"What I found was that it shortened the delivery stride ... and a jump appeared in the gather, which is the preparation before the delivery stride for fast bowlers," he said.

"[Now you get] lumbar stress fractures and front foot stress fractures with five to eight times your body weight going through that front foot."

Australia's list of pace bowlers has been dogged by stress fractures in recent years, with James Pattinson, Mitchell Starc and Peter Siddle all suffering.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-05/no-ball-rule-'hurting-australia's-pace-bowlers'/8092284

Apart from the ongoing calls for the rule to be changed to make umpiring easier, Ackerly's study provides compelling evidence to revert to the back foot rule.

It was fascinating to compare the actions of bowlers prior to 1963 with those of post-1963 bowlers.
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Post by: JonHenry on December 17, 2016, 07:13:06 AM
Four catches and a stumping!

It will be a bonus if Wade makes runs to go with his very good performance with the gloves  :)

It would have been a bonus if he made runs.
Problem is he is average with the gloves and cannot be taken to India.
As I said, the selection was short sighted, considering that tour is just around the corner
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 17, 2016, 08:24:43 AM
It would have been a bonus if he made runs.
Problem is he is average with the gloves and cannot be taken to India.
As I said, the selection was short sighted, considering that tour is just around the corner

I think while we are winning they will stick with Wade, Pakis are just deplorable and like New Zealand in the One dayers look
like they are here for a holiday and couldnt be bothered...8/97 is pathetic on a decent pitch unless of course they have a few
rupee's on the result.
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Post by: JonHenry on December 17, 2016, 09:59:43 AM
I think while we are winning they will stick with Wade, Pakis are just deplorable and like New Zealand in the One dayers look
like they are here for a holiday and couldnt be bothered...8/97 is pathetic on a decent pitch unless of course they have a few
rupee's on the result.

Just makes no sense persisting with a crap keeper.
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Post by: Professer E on December 17, 2016, 11:01:05 AM
You guys beat me to this, as I've been coaching today.   Yep, Wade has been disappointing.   His batting has been woeful and the missed stumping was awful and doesn't help his cause with the bevy of haters he has in the commentary box...
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Post by: LP on December 17, 2016, 12:32:14 PM
The trouble is bias has burnt some of the best prospective keepers around the country. At U21 level we had a bevy of serious keepers who could all bat at the top of the order and they got kiboshed by development squad selections. It's really starting to hurt Australian Cricket, too much nepotism.

I know of two seriously good youth keepers, one of whom has made a double century on a ACB youth team tour of the UK, who gave cricket away in the last year because of the situation with selection and administrator harassment. Too many cousin's, nephews and other relatives getting spots that are not deserved. The talented kid who is not connected has to work 300% harder to get a spot ahead of Uncle Bozo's very average nephew!

The money now being earned has really corrupted the process. Years back it was just pushy, political parents who were meddling in affairs, now it's also some "player manager/coach/administrators" who gets a slice of the pie as well!

I had one keepers parent tell me if you are not in tight with a certain group of ACB cricket mafia your kids career is pretty much dead and buried by the time they exit their teens. He told me the kid was harassed by certain officials to leave school and move interstate to play club cricket, even showed me an abusive text stating that if his kid didn't accept the offer they would assume he wasn't serious about the game and he should give it away! The lad was just 16!
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 17, 2016, 12:50:58 PM
Ian Chappell says Wade has to go before the India series.....although I'd expect most of Lyons deliveries to end up in the stand anyway and stumpings will be rare.
I like Whiteman from WA if we had to go a replacement but I presume Nevill from NSW will get the job again,,,
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Post by: DJC on December 17, 2016, 02:55:30 PM
Wade was always going to have issues with the pink ball.

I doubt whether Nevill will be back; silent wicket keepers don't really suit our cricket.
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Post by: JonHenry on December 17, 2016, 05:51:26 PM
Wade was always going to have issues with the pink ball.

I doubt whether  Nevill will be back; silent wicket keepers don't really suit our cricket.

  ;D  ;D ;D ;D
Nice try
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Post by: DJC on December 17, 2016, 06:39:31 PM
  ;D  ;D ;D ;D
Nice try

I was surprised that Wade was picked for day-night tests when his issues with the pink ball are well known. 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 17, 2016, 08:51:06 PM
Neville?

How is picking an ageing statesmen moving the teams fortunes forward?

Many of our batsmen do not have the techniques required for the sub-continent so I suspect we will be smashed anyway. Why not find some new blood and expose them in a series we are unlikely to win anyway?
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Post by: DJC on December 18, 2016, 10:40:24 PM
Ian Chappell says Wade has to go before the India series.....although I'd expect most of Lyons deliveries to end up in the stand anyway and stumpings will be rare.
I like Whiteman from WA if we had to go a replacement but I presume Nevill from NSW will get the job again,,,

Does anyone pay any attention to what Chappell says?  If ever a commentator was past his use by date it's young Ian. 

Wade isn't the cleanest gloveman but he provides the glue that brings the team together.  I think that is far more important than the odd fumble. If there was to be a change, I'd be tempted to give Handscomb the gloves, provided it wouldn't impact on his batting.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 19, 2016, 08:04:12 AM
Does anyone pay any attention to what Chappell says?  If ever a commentator was past his use by date it's young Ian. 

Wade isn't the cleanest gloveman but he provides the glue that brings the team together.  I think that is far more important than the odd fumble. If there was to be a change, I'd be tempted to give Handscomb the gloves, provided it wouldn't impact on his batting.

Can he captain as well as keep and bat?
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 19, 2016, 10:10:39 AM
Does anyone pay any attention to what Chappell says?  If ever a commentator was past his use by date it's young Ian. 

Wade isn't the cleanest gloveman but he provides the glue that brings the team together.  I think that is far more important than the odd fumble. If there was to be a change, I'd be tempted to give Handscomb the gloves, provided it wouldn't impact on his batting.

Handscomb will be the backup keeper on short tours but wont be taking the gloves for Australia in a full time role IMO.
.he is now 3rd or 4th choice keeper for Victoria and his batting is too important.
I dont think Chappell's opinion will sway selectors and while the team are winning there wont be many changes....even Maddinson will be carried in the interests of development..both him and Wade have failed
with the bat in recent times but the team have been after quick runs and have thrown their wickets away.
Justin Langar will be the next national coach and I expect WA's Whiteman will be the next keeper in waiting...Yorkshire born, handy with the bat and Ashes tour coming up.....
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Post by: LP on December 19, 2016, 10:46:03 AM
Handscomb will be the backup keeper on short tours but wont be taking the gloves for Australia in a full time role IMO.
.he is now 3rd or 4th choice keeper for Victoria and his batting is too important.
I dont think Chappell's opinion will sway selectors and while the team are winning there wont be many changes....even Maddinson will be carried in the interests of development..both him and Wade have failed
with the bat in recent times but the team have been after quick runs and have thrown their wickets away.
Justin Langar will be the next national coach and I expect WA's Whiteman will be the next keeper in waiting...Yorkshire born, handy with the bat and Ashes tour coming up.....

The politics of cricket in Australia are extreme, that is why I posed the earlier question.

EB1, this Handscomb for Wicket Keeper noise surfaced over the weekend coming out of NSW Grade Cricket and quickly propagated around Australia. Handscomb is a serious alternative to Smith for Captain and the NSW Cricket Mafia know that making Handscomb look like a wicket keeping alternative pretty much deals him out as far as captaincy is concerned.

Better to pose that question about Handscomb than ask why Smith removed Lyon from the attack after an over that generated two chances, to bowl Maddinson for what everyone thought was going to be a change of ends, only to be proven wrong when Bird resumed at the other end and Maddinson kept bowling!
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Post by: LP on December 19, 2016, 02:28:55 PM
Smith is just guessing, this bloke doesn't know what he is doing, and it shows in the body language of his team-mates and opposition!
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Post by: Professer E on December 19, 2016, 02:54:46 PM
Why is Smith getting pumped over his captaincy? I'd be asking Starc why he bowls crap and serves up soft runs and messes up whatever plan is being organised.
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Post by: Professer E on December 19, 2016, 03:30:25 PM
....and typically he bowls a  Jaffa and basically wins the game.

I don't know where it's going to come from but we need a fifth bowling option.
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Post by: DJC on December 19, 2016, 03:32:31 PM
....and typically he bowls a  Jaffa and basically wins the game.

I don't know where it's going to come from but we need a fifth bowling option.

Well done Prof - got us over the line  ;)

Good result for cricket and the crowds at the MCG.
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Post by: laj on December 19, 2016, 07:20:40 PM
....and typically he bowls a  Jaffa and basically wins the game.

I don't know where it's going to come from but we need a fifth bowling option.

Hilton Cartwright might be worth a thought. Batting all rounder averaging 44 in FC cricket and was in the recent ODI squad.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 19, 2016, 09:57:57 PM
Hilton Cartwright might be worth a thought. Batting all rounder averaging 44 in FC cricket and was in the recent ODI squad.

Yep and Hilton Cartwright is a much more impressive name than Mitch Marsh ;)..apologies to anyone named Mitch on the forum
I like Cartwright also but I think Stoinis from Victoria on his home deck might be first in line....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on December 19, 2016, 10:30:55 PM
I am very glad the Aussies got it together to win against a good team, but our weaknesses are still fairly obvious.

[1] Wicket Keeper: there isn't an obvious candidate. There are a number of guys who are decent, but we got spoilt having the sort of keepers since Rod Marsh. These guys could bat like a top order player, keep to the best spinners and the best quicks. No offense, but we had 20 - 30 years of being spoilt. Now we have lost that edge and our keepers are not quite that good. It makes a real difference.

There are at least 3 guys going around have been tried. They are not bad, but ... Then there are a couple of kids. Firstly the kids have to displace the keeper that are already there; not an easy task.
I can't see us solving this problem for a few years yet. I would expect the Australian side to keep cycling keepers through. I am not a fan of Wade on really low, spinning pitches. he doesn't do that well to spin bowling.

[2] Spinner: Lyon is statistically the best offie to play for Australia: he has taken more wickets and bowled in more tests. However, that shows, as much as anything, how few top notch finger spinners have played for Australia. The Aussie team has always been the home to the wrist spinner and probably still would be if we had one to do the job.
We don't have one to do the job. One of the reasons is that Australian pitches are not designed to fall apart like sub-continental pitches. The drop in style pitch, prevalent at all of the best venues, does not break up much. Therefore spinner do NOT get the exposure at top levels. And without the guile, the experience and a suitable pitch at least sometimes, leggies don't even shield games.
I would like to see left arm wrist spinners as well, as a LOT of top order bats are lefties these days, but...

Lyon isn't a bad spinner, but he does not have the magic or the variety to make things happen. The young Shane Warne really did.

[3] Batting Depth: we have finally tried some younger batsmen; a positive sign that may well deliver. But we are still hugely dependent on Smith, Warner and, to a much lesser extent, Khawaja. When they fail, Aussie teams struggle to make runs.
I am not sure Maddinson has what it takes, but 2 of the 3 have worked so far. I am willing to give Maddinson a little longer, but his style of play is too much 100 or a duck for me (with too many ducks).

[4] Part time bowlers: I am amazed that we see so little of Smith or Warner bowling. Both of them have talent as spinners, yet neither rolls the arm over. After that, who?
Strong Australian teams had a number of guys who could bowl either medium pace (swing) or spin. Doug Walters was a great partnership breaker. Lehmann bowled better than his nude nuts suggested. Ponting under bowled himself, as he did swing the ball. Border was willing to bowl himself and both of the Waugh brothers with success.

Yes, the team is calling out for an all-rounder, but Australian cricket seems to be producing one day or 20;20 all-rounders, not guys of test quality.
Maybe Mitch Marsh will make it, as his bowling has potential, but he is not a test class batsman. When the ball moves, he goes out.

[5] batting against the moving ball: we appear to be very poor at it, whether it is cut, spin or swing. First class bats don't see much of it: our pitches are too good for too long. We need to start becoming more creative to give our bats the experience with swinging balls, spinning decks and green tops. Otherwise we will continue to struggle.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sandsmere on December 20, 2016, 07:03:11 AM
One change for the Boxing Day test.

Maddinson out and Travis Head in. A bloody good batsman and an OK sort of extra bowler.
Future captain material too.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 20, 2016, 08:28:53 AM
Why is Smith getting pumped over his captaincy? I'd be asking Starc why he bowls crap and serves up soft runs and messes up whatever plan is being organised.

I know it can seem like an excuse to target Smith, but some significant portion of the playing performances are attributable to the tactics being used on the field. It could of course be deliberate, in that perhaps Smith hasn't got the team he wants and he is manipulating the situation like Waugh did previously, but that would be extreme to almost cause a world record loss!

If you want to know who to listen to then freely ignore me and listen to Mark "Tubby" Taylor's criticism of Smith. Taylor is the best captain Australia's had in the last 40 years, and by some margin!

Smith is lucky Richie Benaud is gone because Richie would have torn him a new one!
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Post by: crashlander on December 20, 2016, 12:00:00 PM
One change for the Boxing Day test.

Maddinson out and Travis Head in. A bloody good batsman and an OK sort of extra bowler.
Future captain material too.
Travis Head does come with the ability to bowl a bit and the willingness to do it. That is something, because we have a number of guys who can but won't. head is also the sort of middle order player who can play a number of roles: he is not just a smash and crash player.
Maddinson works better at the top of the order, for what it is worth. He looks lost at #6. His issues against the moving ball make a interesting question as to where, or if, to play him.

I can't see the selectors making changes unless there is an injury, but that is one of the problems with Australian Cricket: we only learn from failure.
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Post by: DJC on December 20, 2016, 12:20:39 PM
Travis Head does come with the ability to bowl a bit and the willingness to do it. That is something, because we have a number of guys who can but won't. head is also the sort of middle order player who can play a number of roles: he is not just a smash and crash player.
Maddinson works better at the top of the order, for what it is worth. He looks lost at #6. His issues against the moving ball make a interesting question as to where, or if, to play him.

I can't see the selectors making changes unless there is an injury, but that is one of the problems with Australian Cricket: we only learn from failure.

It has always been harder to get out of the test team than to get in.  I really don't understand why they don't just pick the best team for the occasion.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 20, 2016, 12:31:10 PM
Maddinson is a one day player, zero technique, wont make a run in England against the moving ball...
Head is probably is a bit tighter in defense and capable of building an innings, wouldnt get too carried away with his bowling though....I keep seeing Kholi batting and the ball disappearing into a sea of Indian spectators... ;)
Handscomb is another player I have concerns about vs the moving ball in English conditions, has that strange stance which is working for him here and allows for his favourite back cut but vs the Poms who bowl on the money outswing I can a lot of slips fielders getting plenty of work.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 20, 2016, 01:03:54 PM
Handscomb has been exposed to English conditions several times, and was previously signed by Gloucestershire for the 2015 season. So I would reserve judgement.

If we are worried about Handscomb we should be petrified for Warner, Smith and Wade. Yet they have also done well in the UK in previous seasons.
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Post by: laj on December 20, 2016, 04:31:05 PM
Yep and Hilton Cartwright is a much more impressive name than Mitch Marsh ;)..apologies to anyone named Mitch on the forum
I like Cartwright also but I think Stoinis from Victoria on his home deck might be first in line....

Cartwright has been added to the squad now.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-20/cartwright-called-into-australian-squad-for-boxing-day-test/8136146?section=sport
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 20, 2016, 04:35:30 PM
Cartwright has been added to the squad now.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-12-20/cartwright-called-into-australian-squad-for-boxing-day-test/8136146?section=sport

Bit of a punt, but good aussie selection policy has always seen young players promoted on talent and sometimes not a long shield career of consistent results.
Good luck to him and I think he should play in place of Maddinson...
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Post by: laj on December 20, 2016, 10:06:58 PM
Bit of a punt, but good aussie selection policy has always seen young players promoted on talent and sometimes not a long shield career of consistent results.
Good luck to him and I think he should play in place of Maddinson...

He has a Shield average of 44.5 so hopefully he'll do the job as a batting all rounder. Yes, certainly should replace Maddinson.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on December 30, 2016, 07:36:40 PM
That was some win out of no-where. We've been alot better since Hobart.

Agar and O'Keefe have been selected for the next Test replacing Maddinson and Sayers in the 13 man squad.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on December 30, 2016, 08:46:04 PM
Makes me sick this rubbish. They are basically trying to lever Lyon out of the team, despite the fact he started today's rout of Pakistan.

At the end of the game as the team was walking off the TV showed a close up shot of Smith and Warner side by side just as the crowd started chanting for Lyon. The look on their faces said a million words, like someone had stolen their chocolates! You can't hide that sort of involuntary response, and it says a million things about they way they think!

Earlier in the day you saw a concerted effort by Slater to boost O'Keefe's cause with Neville's demise as a side show, just minutes after Lyon had captured the key wickets. Warne responded in commentary aggressively defending the positions of Lyon and Wade and labelled O'Keefe a white ball cricketer. Slater demeanor shrunk, he had graphics and statistics ready to pump up O'Keefe's tyres and Warne deflated them before they even had a chance to run the graphic!  In the same break Chappell and Taylor tried to get Lehman to pot Wade and they failed.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 30, 2016, 08:47:18 PM
That was some win out of no-where. We've been alot better since Hobart.

Agar and O'Keefe have been selected for the next Test replacing Maddinson and Sayers in the 13 man squad.

Was a good win given the conditions, reckon Warner laid the foundation with his century and Smith/Starc were the icing on the cake.
Paki's fought it out in the last test but didnt show much fight or competitive nature in this one...Azhar excepted, he has one of the finest techniques in the game
and is a gun player. Australia really is a graveyard for spinners, Yasir Shah is highly rated but looks a buffet of rubbish when he bowls out here and has been disappointing.
Given how overseas spinners have performed I think Nathan Lyon gets harsh criticism and does as well as any other spinner who plays on Aus wickets....

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 30, 2016, 09:33:59 PM
That was an amazing win considering the time lost to bad weather  :o

I think we desperately need a 5th bowler ... who can bat.  The question is whether we go for a medium pacer or a spinner, ie Cartwright or Agar.

While I think that commentators should be free to express their opinions, they should be informed, unbiased opinions, not shameless attempts to promote their favourites over more deserving cricketers.  Warney may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he calls it as he sees it and doesn't get involved in the bullcrape that some of our ex-cricketers thrive on.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 30, 2016, 10:58:22 PM
That was an amazing win considering the time lost to bad weather  :o

I think we desperately need a 5th bowler ... who can bat.  The question is whether we go for a medium pacer or a spinner, ie Cartwright or Agar.

While I think that commentators should be free to express their opinions, they should be informed, unbiased opinions, not shameless attempts to promote their favourites over more deserving cricketers.  Warney may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but he calls it as he sees it and doesn't get involved in the bullcrape that some of our ex-cricketers thrive on.

Medium Pacer for me as the 5th bowler.....Aus wickets dont help the spinners enough....South African and English wickets help the seamers more as does NZ. Its really only India that helps the spinners and where you need a spinning allrounder IMO.
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Post by: DJC on December 30, 2016, 11:18:44 PM
Medium Pacer for me as the 5th bowler.....Aus wickets dont help the spinners enough....South African and English wickets help the seamers more as does NZ. Its really only India that helps the spinners and where you need a spinning allrounder IMO.

I think that's right EB but the commentators were emphasising the likely turn from the Sydney pitch.  Are they just pumping up O'Keefe's chances?

My preference is for a medium pacer who can maintain pressure on the batters - and score runs.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on December 31, 2016, 03:40:37 AM
I think Agar as we are playing in Sydney and then heading to India. We need our best team for the conditions.
O'Keefe is no certainty to see out the tour and at 32??? Is not getting any younger.
Wade is not up to it. Hasn't made the runs he was brought in to make. Not a great keeper and will be exposed in India.
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Post by: sandsmere on December 31, 2016, 06:59:48 AM
Agar in the 11 for Maddison.

We need an extra spinner for Sydney.
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Post by: malo on December 31, 2016, 06:00:29 PM
Agar in the 11 for Maddison.

We need an extra spinner for Sydney.

I agree, Agar over O'Keefe.  Lyon has to stay in, particularly as it's finally a decent spin friendly wicket for him to have a go on.  O'Keefe is the "safe" option, no future there.  Agar has the ability to bat 7, or maybe even 6 one day if he worked hard on the batting, depends on what he wants to prioritise.  He is an extremely gifted striker...he'd bat ahead of Wade atm.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on December 31, 2016, 06:57:23 PM
From what I'm hearing, one of the fast bowlers will be rested and Cartwright and another spinner will come in.

Lehman was quite outspoken in his assessment of Lyon as the best Aussie spinner and Smith gave strong support to Wade.  I reckon the latter has to make runs in Sydney though.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on December 31, 2016, 07:54:42 PM
Agree with Kevin Pietersen, Glen Maxwell should be in the test tsquad, pity he isnt in sync with the establishment and some of the key personnel because he is a very talented player. He got carried away with himself for sure and his attitude was that of a knob who thought he had made it but he deserves a second chance IMO and I'd be taking him to India.
Okeefe is a one day bowler IMO ...Agar is an unknown to me, clearly has talent but I hope the 20/20 game doesnt ruin his skills for test cricket...I'd be picking Agar ahead of Okeefe and using India as a training camp for him to improve his spin bowling..

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Post by: laj on December 31, 2016, 09:41:57 PM
Agree with Kevin Pietersen, Glen Maxwell should be in the test tsquad, pity he isnt in sync with the establishment and some of the key personnel because he is a very talented player. He got carried away with himself for sure and his attitude was that of a knob who thought he had made it but he deserves a second chance IMO and I'd be taking him to India.
Okeefe is a one day bowler IMO ...Agar is an unknown to me, clearly has talent but I hope the 20/20 game doesnt ruin his skills for test cricket...I'd be picking Agar ahead of Okeefe and using India as a training camp for him to improve his spin bowling..

Actually O'Keefe has the outstanding bowling average of 23 in First Class cricket and 55 in the one day game so don't be listening to Warnie on that one. His batting average is 30, higher than Agar's too, which is 26. On figures he's actually well ahead of Agar on both counts. If we go a 2nd spinner it'd be O'Keefe for sure IMO. Actually have him ahead of Lyon. Prefer the 3 quicks with one spinner in Sydney though. That's where we go best.

I'd like Maxwell to hold down no.6 as an all rounder as his off-spin would allow us to hit the Poms with all 4 pace bowlers, Starc, Hazelwood, Cummins and Pattinson, which could be lethal.

Just hope he could hold that position down.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on December 31, 2016, 09:43:47 PM
I think Agar as we are playing in Sydney and then heading to India. We need our best team for the conditions.
O'Keefe is no certainty to see out the tour and at 32??? Is not getting any younger.
Wade is not up to it. Hasn't made the runs he was brought in to make. Not a great keeper and will be exposed in India.

Wade will eventually bat well. Has 2 Test centuries, five 50s and averaged 34 in Tests before he was bought back. He's just out of touch but will come good. Likely to bat ok in India but on spinning tracks his keeping could be scary as you suggested. Agar's well behind O'Keefe on first class figures, batting or bowling, especially bowling with averages of 23 v 40. On a first class average here of 40 Agar will get spanked in India. Both Agar and O'Keefe played in India in the two-match 'A' series in Chennai between the two nations last year. O'Keefe took 14 wickets at 20 in the two matches and Agar three at 31 from one.

Anyway, no-one wins in India, everyone gets a flogging. If we get close they'll just produce a dirty, dry dusty turner next Test. We will get smacked 4-0 so i'm just focused ahead on next years Ashes. We flog India the next time they are here. The result in India won't affect my judgement of the team at all. Last time we lost in India 4-0 we pumped the Poms later that year 5-0.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on January 01, 2017, 01:21:44 PM
Wade will eventually bat well. Has 2 Test centuries, five 50s and averaged 34 in Tests before he was bought back. He's just out of touch but will come good. Likely to bat ok in India but on spinning tracks his keeping could be scary as you suggested. Agar's well behind O'Keefe on first class figures, batting or bowling, especially bowling with averages of 23 v 40. On a first class average here of 40 Agar will get spanked in India.

Anyway, no-one wins in India, everyone gets a flogging. If we get close they'll just produce a dirty, dry dusty turner next Test. We will get smacked 4-0 so i'm just focused ahead on next years Ashes. We flog India the next time they are here. The result in India won't affect my judgement of the team at all. Last time we lost in India 4-0 we pumped the Poms later that year 5-0.

The reason I prefer Agar is his height and also being a left Armer.
Indian conditions are just as often about bounce as they are spin.
We could potentially play all 3 in India though.
At present we are getting nothing out of number 6 and haven't for some time.
Wades keeping will cost more wickets in India than Neville. Wickets you can't afford to miss.
I agree it's the toughest of tours but you have to turn up to compete with your best side.
They are tougher and fitter than ever, so cutting of boundaries like we did in the series when Gilchrist captained won't be the answer but it might be a start.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 01, 2017, 05:33:01 PM
Wade must just about to be handed a ticket on the last coach outta town..... Maybe we could look at Whiteman or somebody else for Syd-nee?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 01, 2017, 05:52:01 PM
The reason I prefer Agar is his height and also being a left Armer.
Indian conditions are just as often about bounce as they are spin.
We could potentially play all 3 in India though.
At present we are getting nothing out of number 6 and haven't for some time.
Wades keeping will cost more wickets in India than Neville. Wickets you can't afford to miss.
I agree it's the toughest of tours but you have to turn up to compete with your best side.
They are tougher and fitter than ever, so cutting of boundaries like we did in the series when Gilchrist captained won't be the answer but it might be a start.

Do agree on plenty then, although i'm still more to with O'Keefe.

I had a more long-winded reply but after clearing our my rum bottle last night I was starting to dribble crape...lol!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 01, 2017, 05:54:16 PM
Wade must just about to be handed a ticket on the last coach outta town..... Maybe we could look at Whiteman or somebody else for Syd-nee?

Too late, Wade is in...lol. Sure his batting will pick up though. It'll be his last Test for a while though as while his keeping has been ok here this year, India is not the place for him to keep.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on January 02, 2017, 10:42:22 AM
O'Keefe preferred over Agar - no surprise given their home states  ::)

It will be interesting to see how Cartwright goes.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 02, 2017, 10:55:29 AM
After watching the BB last night I can't see S. Marsh getting a gig at test level in the near future. Awful.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on January 02, 2017, 11:39:40 AM
Too late, Wade is in...lol. Sure his batting will pick up though. It'll be his last Test for a while though as while his keeping has been ok here this year, India is not the place for him to keep.
Wade has struggled in India before. Even with his work ethic, I can't see him making the stumping that wins a test match.
It will be interesting to see if his batting can come good, as he is more than useful with the bat. But his form with the willow has been less than outstanding this season.

Once upon a time Tim Paine would have been considered to be the answer, but he has not managed to find anything like the form he would require to be considered as yet. And, as a batsman, he has always disappointed. He has much more talent than he has shown in test cricket, or at any level since his return from injury.

The wicket keeping spot must make the selectors lose sleep.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on January 02, 2017, 10:19:14 PM
Geez that Stanlake was impressive for the Strikers
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on January 03, 2017, 01:03:00 PM
Geez that Stanlake was impressive for the Strikers

He landed one at 148kph last night. Very impressive.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 03, 2017, 01:29:19 PM
He landed one at 148kph last night. Very impressive.

Its the bounce from a good length that impresses me about Stanlake
I see David Willey has been replaced by Tim Bresnan for the Scorchers.....Willey is impressive and I am not surprised he has been called up by England, could even end up playing test cricket IMO.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on January 03, 2017, 04:18:19 PM
Its the bounce from a good length that impresses me about Stanlake
I see David Willey has been replaced by Tim Bresnan for the Scorchers.....Willey is impressive and I am not surprised he has been called up by England, could even end up playing test cricket IMO.

Agree it would be tough facing Starc, Hazlewood and Stanlake at Brisbane in the first ashes test next year
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Post by: DJC on January 03, 2017, 07:19:40 PM
Young Davey did OK this morning  :o

Renshaw was pretty good too, apart from playing a bouncer with his cheekbone.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 03, 2017, 07:27:53 PM
Young Davey did OK this morning  :o

Renshaw was pretty good too, apart from playing a bouncer with his cheekbone.

Pakistan must be back on the punt....they were woeful, fielding is disgraceful and the captain the worst, some of their work looked very sus.
Imran Khan the II was bowling at 122k's about as menacing as a maccas soft serve on a 40 degree day, the real Imran would have been embarrassed watching him. ....Sarfraz missed an easy stumping IMO and more dropped catches...this mob are either terrible or we need a stewards enquiry.
Warner and Renshaw did play well but you would get more opposition  playing Mont Albert subbies U16's than this mob...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 03, 2017, 10:59:56 PM
Maybe pumping the odds up for later on.... Almost won the unwinnable, lost the unloseable, what odds on a Lazarus-like performance in Sydney?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on January 04, 2017, 12:21:24 AM
I'm not sure that they were all that bad considering the circumstances.  Their bowling really hasn't got into a rhythm during the series and that has got to impact on other aspects of their game.

I reckon we'd be doing well to be competitive in the last game of an away season where we're facing a whitewash!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on January 04, 2017, 10:44:23 AM
I think the changes in the Aussie list have been nothing but positive.


It's clear players like Renshaw and Handscomb have the demeanour to bat for long periods, something we have lacked for a long time. All they need to do is gain confidence in their own techniques and they be fine.

I particularly like Handscomb's "leaves" today and yesterday, show real maturity. Looks to be prepared to set himself before he scores, he doesn't look like giving his wicket away! Very reminiscent of Gower!
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Post by: laj on January 04, 2017, 02:13:02 PM
Cartwright look good for his 37. Techniaque was solid and, like Handscomb and Renshaw, valued his wicket. Got to face 97 balls. If he does ok with the ball too, and that's all we want, he'll be a handy aquistition. Just need Cummins fit and the side will be ripe for the Ashes next year.

We'll get wiped in India on their crape, doctored-up pitches, but thinking we'll pump the Poms. The Perth and Hobart debacles, especially the latter, have been such a blessing in disquise. Forced us to change things up.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 04, 2017, 07:08:08 PM
Cartwright look good for his 37. Techniaque was solid and, like Handscomb and Renshaw, valued his wicket. Got to face 97 balls. If he does ok with the ball too, and that's all we want, he'll be a handy aquistition. Just need Cummins fit and the side will be ripe for the Ashes next year.

We'll get wiped in India on their crape, doctored-up pitches, but thinking we'll pump the Poms. The Perth and Hobart debacles, especially the latter, have been such a blessing in disquise. Forced us to change things up.

Wont need to doctor their pitches even this time...Kholi and crew will take Okeefe, Lyon etc  apart.......Okeefe hardly spun a ball today, reckon we would have been better going the three pace bowlers.
Cartwright looked good batting but his bowling is very friendly and he will be buffet material in India.....its a pity Mitch Marsh cant improve his batting technique as he is the only allrounder we have who can
bowl with any menace..
Think we should beat England on our own soil, though I wont want to see Moeen Ali batting at 7 or 8 like he did in the previous English ashes series....dont think we can bowl them out with our present lineup  if that happens.
When Starc and Hazlewood are not bowling we dont look like taking a wicket...Azhar Ali has worked out if you see them off its pretty easy work, need to get Pat Cummins into the team and on the tour of India and sharpen him up for the Poms....be great if Pattinson was also available and we had the 4 big quicks playing vs the English.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on January 05, 2017, 04:16:13 PM
O'Keefe looking pretty average here
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Post by: DJC on January 13, 2017, 06:14:37 PM
Great century by Wade.  It should give us a fighting chance.
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on January 13, 2017, 08:05:56 PM
Great century by Wade.  It should give us a fighting chance.

Depends what the odds are and how many the Pakis can make ...er US dollars or British Pounds that is ..think they like the latter, Wade should thank Amir for those waste high full tosses on leg stump late in the innings,....my money is on the Aussies and easily, noticed Azhar has walked off the ground and retired hurt,  think thats the ball game....
Hafeez should get an academy award for that dropped catch at slip too.....bet if that had been a bag of british pounds he would have caught it with one hand and had time to wave to Amir in the dressing room with the other...Babar couldnt have guided that ball to first slip any better either.....


Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on January 13, 2017, 08:44:38 PM
Typical Mitch Marsh... Soaks up twenty balls and gets out.  Lucky that his medium pacers have some value.
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Post by: malo on February 09, 2017, 10:00:12 AM
This is great to hear......exactly the attitude to take.  Pat Cummins...take note.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/sport/cricket/pattinson-is-back-and-ready-to-fight-for-a-spot-in-ashes/news-story/ffee6849cee2e56a7b2897856a781700

"James Pattinson has declared he wants to harden his body by bowling as many overs as possible ahead of next summerís Ashes ó and heíll bowl them his way."

Really hope he gets back to his best.
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Post by: Thryleon on February 09, 2017, 10:14:41 AM
What the take on Marcus Stoinis??

As a Greek, I always like to see my fellow Greeks producing.  I have no love for Cricket, but that doesnt mean I hate it.  Its just a sport that doesnt interest me.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 09, 2017, 10:43:02 AM
What the take on Marcus Stoinis??

As a Greek, I always like to see my fellow Greeks producing.  I have no love for Cricket, but that doesnt mean I hate it.  Its just a sport that doesnt interest me.

I like Stoinis as a cricketer and think he is worth a try at test level, we have spent and wasted a lot of time trying to find our Botham/Flintoff allrounder type and while Stoinis isnt anywhere near that
calibre especially in terms of bowling I think he is a capable player who might blossom with opportunity.
Has a reasonable batting technique, bowls decent line and has that handy knack of picking up wickets..
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Post by: malo on February 10, 2017, 08:10:20 AM
I like Stoinis as a cricketer and think he is worth a try at test level, we have spent and wasted a lot of time trying to find our Botham/Flintoff allrounder type and while Stoinis isnt anywhere near that
calibre especially in terms of bowling I think he is a capable player who might blossom with opportunity.
Has a reasonable batting technique, bowls decent line and has that handy knack of picking up wickets..

I am very impressed with Stoinis.  His bowling is more penetrative than Hilton Cartright for a start (I see him as a Steve Waugh type of relief bowler) , and his batting is light years ahead of both he & Marsh.....should be groomed for the number 6 spot before the Ashes series I believe.  Cartright is just cannon fodder.
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Post by: Pratty on February 10, 2017, 02:13:05 PM
Stoinis should be in our Test IMO.

1. Renshaw
2. Warner
3. Khawaja
4. Smith
5. Head
6. Handscomb (wk)
7. Stoinis
8. Starc
9. Cummins
10. Hazlewood
11. Zampa

Or...
Renshaw, Warner, Khawaja, Smith, Head, Handscomb (wk), Stoinis, Agar, Starc, Cummins, Hazlewood. 12th. J.Faulkner.

Sorry, I just don't want Nafe Lyon anymore. Who else is there we might ask?

I like Ashton Agar. Zampa has a bit about him I like and is getting international exposure at ODI level. Steve O'Keefe. Not for me. Others???
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Post by: LP on February 23, 2017, 06:02:06 PM
There is no way a cricket ball naturally looks so asymmetrically worn after 33 overs. Something is crook, it's falling apart like it's been hit with a grinder on one side. I'd be checking Indian pockets for the old sandpaper business card, or the sharp edged wedding ring!

Very suspect!
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Post by: crashlander on February 23, 2017, 08:33:35 PM
I do not understand why we continue to select Mitch Marsh. He is a flat track bully who cannot play the spinning or the swinging ball. His bowling is adequate, but I would not pick him for that alone.

We can complain about the ball (it is suspect) and we can complain about the pitch (not up to test standard, unlike the previous one), but if we shoot ourselves on the selection table, we have only ourselves to blame.
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Post by: laj on February 23, 2017, 09:01:18 PM
Good ol' Indian 8th day pitch on the first day.

Just get the 4-0 flogging done on their doctored up pitches so we can focus on the Ashes.
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Post by: Bear on February 23, 2017, 09:06:41 PM
I'll take a 4-0 flogging if it means Shaun Marsh never plays for Australia ever again.
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Post by: Professer E on February 23, 2017, 09:06:52 PM
Why in ^$)%*&'s name do we continue to pick these Marsh blokes... Mitch Marsh ? Seriously, WTF?

Wade is skating on thin ice as well, needs runs even more that Mitch Marsh, and that's saying something.
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Post by: Bear on February 23, 2017, 09:12:43 PM
Wade was a little stiff... but won't last long if he doesn't make runs.

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Post by: flyboy77 on February 23, 2017, 10:20:27 PM
How good is Tim Paine looking?

just needs to get his batting prowess back!
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Post by: LP on February 24, 2017, 04:53:07 PM
Over O'Keefe already, just doesn't deserve a spot yet!

We shouldn't take spinners to India if they can't bowl two balls the same.
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Post by: Professer E on February 24, 2017, 04:59:25 PM
X2...... Gives nuthin with the bat and bowling is innocuous.  Just not quite good enough.  Agar?
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Post by: LP on February 24, 2017, 05:04:55 PM
X2...... Gives nuthin with the bat and bowling is innocuous.  Just not quite good enough.  Agar?

Yep Agar for me, a much better long term prospect.

Otherwise I think Holland as a pure bowling option shows far more control and would be suited to the conditions.
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Post by: Bear on February 24, 2017, 06:25:08 PM
Holy crap!
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Post by: laj on February 24, 2017, 06:26:38 PM
Over O'Keefe already, just doesn't deserve a spot yet!

We shouldn't take spinners to India if they can't bowl two balls the same.

Lol!!!! He has 3/31

Almost fell off my chair when I saw India were 7/95.

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Post by: Professer E on February 24, 2017, 06:35:03 PM
Make that four and it should have been five... Pleased to see him turn it around but they must finish the job now.
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Post by: Bear on February 24, 2017, 06:38:10 PM
Now I'm worried we are going to get bowled out for 30!
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Post by: laj on February 24, 2017, 06:41:03 PM
Now it's 5 for SOK. 9/101.

India will doctor the wicket now for the next Test and produce a raging green top...ool.
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Post by: LP on February 24, 2017, 06:46:08 PM
Now I'm worried we are going to get bowled out for 30!

Yep, biased commentators spent the last 24 hrs defending "A good cricket wicket". Now the Aussies must bat long and let it deteriorate, then the India BCC will string up the curator!

Great result for O'Keefe, but they know him now and the top order won't let him off lightly. Three rank slogs, two wickets to Indian batting arrogance and one great delivery and catch!
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Post by: laj on February 24, 2017, 06:52:20 PM
Make that four and it should have been five... Pleased to see him turn it around but they must finish the job now.

Now 6 and all out 105.
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Post by: laj on February 24, 2017, 06:56:04 PM
Yep, biased commentators spent the last 24 hrs defending "A good cricket wicket". Now the Aussies must bat long and let it deteriorate, then the India BCC will string up the curator!

Great result for O'Keefe, but they know him now and the top order won't let him off lightly. Three rank slogs, two wickets to Indian arrogance and one great delivery and catch!

Look at this, opened your mouth now trying to spin your way out of it. 6 wickets!!!!

You don't have a first class bowling average of 23 over many, many games by being a mug.
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Post by: LP on February 24, 2017, 07:02:06 PM
Look at this, opened your mouth now trying to spin your way out of it. 6 wickets!!!!

You don't have a first class bowling average of 23 over many, many games by being a mug.

Did you actually see the wickets, because your post suggests not!

The Indian meltdown made The China Syndrome look like a pot boiling over.

The Indians thought they were going to belt the suitcase out of the Aussie bowlers on a rank wicket. It'll be a massive mistake if Australia tries to do the same in their 2nd innings.
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Post by: Bear on February 24, 2017, 07:07:19 PM
The pitch is a disgrace... but both teams have to bat on it.

Low scoring matches are always the best!
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Post by: LP on February 24, 2017, 07:10:28 PM
The pitch is a disgrace... but both teams have to bat on it.

Low scoring matches are always the best!

I've seen pitches like this one become benign late in matches. They break up so much the heavy roller fills in the cracks and can turn it to a road. Australia need a 350+ lead to be safe!
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Post by: Bear on February 24, 2017, 07:16:17 PM
Marsh just made a 21 ball duck!
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Post by: DJC on February 24, 2017, 08:17:59 PM
It looks like Renshaw will have the most runs  ;)
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Post by: crashlander on February 24, 2017, 08:37:22 PM
Marsh just made a 21 ball duck!
He is just not good enough. He doesn't have his father's indomitable will. He gets out too easily.
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Post by: DJC on February 24, 2017, 09:16:12 PM
Into the tail already at 4 for 114  ::)

I reckon that we need at least another 100 runs and bat for a significant time tomorrow.
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Post by: DJC on February 24, 2017, 10:02:37 PM
Into the tail already at 4 for 114  ::)

I reckon that we need at least another 100 runs and bat for a significant time tomorrow.

I take it back, Mitch Marsh did quite well and holding out until stumps is one goal achieved.

Another hundred runs would be nice but 50-60 should give us a pretty good chance, particularly if the ball keeps low for Starc and Hazlewood.
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Post by: JonHenry on February 25, 2017, 09:56:32 AM
Anyway, no-one wins in India, everyone gets a flogging. If we get close they'll just produce a dirty, dry dusty turner next Test. We will get smacked 4-0 so i'm just focused ahead on next years Ashes. We flog India the next time they are here. The result in India won't affect my judgement of the team at all. Last time we lost in India 4-0 we pumped the Poms later that year 5-0.

Glad we turned up Jim.
Still could get done but the Aussies will get a lot out of this
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Post by: laj on February 25, 2017, 11:49:51 AM
Glad we turned up Jim.
Still could get done but the Aussies will get a lot out of this

No one is more shocked than me..lol. I'm sure we're all a bit surprised.

Win this one then just have to sneak another and the worst you get is a drawn series. Getting a bit ahead of myself but a win here and u never know.
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Post by: LP on February 25, 2017, 03:17:42 PM
India changing tactics today, looking to slow the game down.

Smith dropped on 67, weird match, not sure what India are up to with Ashwin bowling off-breaks on Smith's leg stump.

This outfield is becoming faster than a bowling alley, Australia will need more runs than people think!

On queue, Marsh out!

Wade lunging at the ball, then sweeping like it's pre-determined, won't last long if he doesn't start playing each pill on it's merits.

I reckon India are effectively down to four batsmen, KL Rahul looks cooked shoulder wise. But you never know when Indians are fielding!
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Post by: crashlander on February 25, 2017, 04:33:16 PM
I still have major concerns about the Marsh brothers, and, to a less extent, Wade. But I can't complain about how things have gone so far.
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Post by: laj on February 25, 2017, 04:35:43 PM
Glad we turned up Jim.
Still could get done but the Aussies will get a lot out of this

Still turning up. 400 in front with 4 wickets still left.
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Post by: LP on February 25, 2017, 04:43:04 PM
Still turning up. 400 in front with 4 wickets still left.

India have entered this match with 5 batsmen each capable of batting for two days. In the first innings Starc offloaded two of then in an over. The rest of the Indian team went bananas and threw away their wickets.

KL Rahul is injured or faking injury to get off the field, perhaps to build up some energy to bat long. But even if his shoulder is stuffed that still leaves them with four blokes who are known long innings builders.

We should not be too comfortable with 8 sessions left to play, no rain and 38 degree heat forecast.

If we cannot knock them over Starc, Hazlewood and O'Keefe could be cooked before the 2nd test. Lyon is the only bloke we've got out there that can bowl all day and do it again tomorrow, but he doesn't have the captain's confidence.

For me it' a big mistake not trying to bat out another session.
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Post by: laj on February 25, 2017, 07:02:29 PM
India 3/52 chasing 441.

O'Keefe 2/14.
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Post by: LP on February 25, 2017, 07:10:22 PM
Has all the hallmark of Indian bookmakers.
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Post by: laj on February 25, 2017, 07:28:45 PM
India 5/89

O'Keefe 4/29. Makes 10 wickets for the match.
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Post by: laj on February 25, 2017, 07:51:53 PM
Tea India 6/99

O'Keefe 5/33
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Post by: laj on February 25, 2017, 08:27:50 PM
India all out 107.

O'Keefe 6/35 again
Lyon 4/53

Australia won by 333 runs.
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Post by: Bear on February 25, 2017, 08:31:00 PM
Amazing win.
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Post by: laj on February 25, 2017, 08:35:13 PM
O'Keefe best ever figures by an Australian in India. 2nd best ever by a visiting player there behind Botham's 13/106.
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Post by: crashlander on February 25, 2017, 08:40:38 PM
India all out 107.

O'Keefe 6/35 again
Lyon 4/53

Australia won by 333 runs.
I was out for dinner. I couldn't believe the game was over! Amazing!

Can we repeat it? I doubt it, but who knows?
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Post by: laj on February 25, 2017, 08:44:01 PM
I was out for dinner. I couldn't believe the game was over! Amazing!

Can we repeat it? I doubt it, but who knows?

Only if India doctor the wicket again..........lol!!!!!
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Post by: laj on February 25, 2017, 08:48:19 PM
They gave Starc man of the match...seriously??? He batted very well and took two important wickets to set up momentum in the first innings but better than 12/70? Wouldn't think so.

EDIT: Take it back. Starc won something else. O'Keefe was man of the match.
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Post by: DJC on February 26, 2017, 04:57:38 PM
The last time I checked, the Indians were 4 for and I thought we could be in with a real chance.  I went to check on the scores again and it was game over and a win by 333 runs  :o

That is a magnificent effort by the Aussies and full marks to Smith and O'Keefe.  They have certainly answered their critics among the ex-captains' and ex-leg spinners' clubs.

One of the best aspects of the win is that we were able to take greater advantage of the doctored pitch :)
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on February 26, 2017, 08:10:13 PM
Rumour is the Indians won big off the field....
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Post by: DJC on February 26, 2017, 09:57:30 PM
Rumour is the Indians won big off the field....

Only among folk who gave us no chance EB ;)

It was too much of a shellacking for a fix and, as I understand it, spot betting rather than overall results is the favoured form of gambling on cricket.
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Post by: Professer E on February 27, 2017, 08:03:00 AM
And Harbajhan Singh goes on to illustrate what a skunk of a human he is with some of the least gracious comments ever.
 
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Post by: flyboy77 on February 27, 2017, 09:39:40 AM
Will give the lads an amazing confidence boost.

Will the Marsh brothers get another chance?
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Post by: Jack Burton on February 27, 2017, 01:18:25 PM
No way they'll change the team after that performance!
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Post by: crashlander on February 27, 2017, 01:37:16 PM
And Harbajhan Singh goes on to illustrate what a skunk of a human he is with some of the least gracious comments ever.
Alas, not all cricketers are nice. Not even all of ours. However, some of them lack more humanity than most, while others disconnect their brains before opening their mouths. You may place Mr. Singh where you will. :)

I was surprised by a number of the performances, very pleasantly indeed. But we should make changes. We really should. Whether we will is debateable. Teams who pull off a win like that are rarely changed much.
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Post by: DJC on February 27, 2017, 02:37:08 PM
Alas, not all cricketers are nice. Not even all of ours. However, some of them lack more humanity than most, while others disconnect their brains before opening their mouths. You may place Mr. Singh where you will. :)

I was surprised by a number of the performances, very pleasantly indeed. But we should make changes. We really should. Whether we will is debateable. Teams who pull off a win like that are rarely changed much.

Mr Singh is upset that his prediction of a 4-zip whitewash has fallen flat.

The Australian selectors tend to avoid changing a winning cricket team but a willingness to improve the team for the next match could send a message to India.  Khawaja seems to be out of favour but he would have to be a better option than SE Marsh.  MR Marsh made an important contribution in the second innings but I would prefer to see Maxwell as the all-rounder.  Another spinner who doesn't get great turn would now be seen as a great threat by the Indians  :)
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Post by: LP on February 27, 2017, 03:17:58 PM
Change will be key to producing another result, you won't see our bowlers getting 12 wickets from straight deliveries next test.
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Post by: flyboy77 on February 27, 2017, 04:35:28 PM
there will be no change to the 12, short of injury....
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Post by: LP on February 27, 2017, 04:43:37 PM
We won that test because we picked a side suited to the pitch, no based on reputations.

Should the next pitch be different, so should the team that runs out!
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Post by: flyboy77 on February 27, 2017, 05:33:37 PM
We won that test because we picked a side suited to the pitch, no based on reputations.

Should the next pitch be different, so should the team that runs out!

We won that Test because the Indians were over cocky, complacent and arrogant....

Not much to do with our lot to be honest.
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Post by: laj on February 27, 2017, 08:17:50 PM
Change will be key to producing another result, you won't see our bowlers getting 12 wickets from straight deliveries next test.

He doesn't average 22 with the ball in first class cricket by being a mug though.
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Post by: LP on February 27, 2017, 08:39:02 PM
He doesn't average 22 with the ball in first class cricket by being a mug though.

I agree LAJ, but he isn't Warne either.

Many of his wickets had nothing to do with his bowling and everything to do with the Indian batting, but he wasn't alone in that regard.

You mentioned your surprise when you thought Starc had won Man-of-the-Match. But given he took Australia's first innings from ordinary to acceptable, and then knocked over two of the world's top three batsmen in one over to start the rot, it wouldn't be so hard to claim he was the most influential player.

Without doubt India's overconfidence entering the match with only 5 batsmen and their elite top order failing under Starc, contributed to the rubbish batting by the Indian lower order and benefited O'Keefe greatly.

But regardless of the O'Keefe situation, that won't happen next match, and we should not expect the same formula to work.
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Post by: Professer E on February 27, 2017, 08:47:05 PM
Dunno, apparently 18 months planning went into this game and if they can stick to what has proven to be a successful style of play I'd expect it to remain so.

What concerns me more is that our batting remains very  fragile and the next collapse could occur at any time.   At some stage we are going to have to bat for 5+ sessions and I don't see it happening.

Pretty clear that the Indian spinner don't like big left handers that are prepared to punish anything hittable. 
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Post by: shadesy on February 28, 2017, 11:38:49 AM
Dunno, apparently 18 months planning went into this game and if they can stick to what has proven to be a successful style of play I'd expect it to remain so.

What concerns me more is that our batting remains very  fragile and the next collapse could occur at any time.   At some stage we are going to have to bat for 5+ sessions and I don't see it happening.

Pretty clear that the Indian spinner don't like big left handers that are prepared to punish anything hittable.

I said this before the series started. I didnt think we would win the series, but they prepared and planned very well. The changes in the team in the summer, the 2 week camp in Dubai, The clear and evident batting and bowling plans executed. I was hoping they got the reward at some stage for the preparation and lo and behold it came quicker and faster than imagined.
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Post by: LP on March 04, 2017, 08:30:33 PM
India batting rubbish again, if Australia hadn't dropped Rahul twice India would've been all out by now!
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Post by: laj on March 04, 2017, 09:31:22 PM
India all out 189

Lyon 8/50

Australia 0/21
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Post by: DJC on March 05, 2017, 09:32:07 PM
Shaun Marsh equal top score and not out  :o  All is forgiven!

Lehmann deserves credit for the preparation and execution of a very good gameplan.  It's a far cry from the ad hoc approach we've taken to previous India tours.
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Post by: Professer E on March 05, 2017, 10:06:03 PM
Then chips it to mid on.  Top score and out.  Mentally exhausted you'd reckon.

Enough has been said about his brother... next.
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Post by: DJC on March 05, 2017, 10:35:11 PM
Well, we've batted for the entire day even if we only scored 197 runs in the day.  The batters' application can't be faulted.

This match could have any number of results, particularly if it rains, but I reckon we'd be in with a chance if we can get a 100 run lead on the first innings.
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Post by: JonHenry on March 06, 2017, 08:27:16 AM
Our number 2 opener is a very good player, on home soil anyway....

Our number one opener looks like he could be a great.
What application and guts from a 20 year old.

Simple technique that will improve over time.
Doesn't go too hard at the ball, which is a great attribute on foreign pitches
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Post by: flyboy77 on March 06, 2017, 08:33:31 AM
Well, we've batted for the entire day even if we only scored 197 runs in the day.  The batters' application can't be faulted.

This match could have any number of results, particularly if it rains, but I reckon we'd be in with a chance if we can get a 100 run lead on the first innings.

A decent lead on 1st innings is critical.....if they can get a 150-200 odd lead before we bat next, look out! We're due a collapse!
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Post by: Professer E on March 06, 2017, 09:37:46 AM
At least they've had a fair dinkum go, can't knock that.

Application plus talent equals results.
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Post by: DJC on March 07, 2017, 04:06:49 PM
This Test looks like it's headed towards and interesting conclusion; India is 163 in front with two wickets left.

I reckon we're in with a chance if the lead is under 200.

Hazlewood has the bowling honours this innings and it's interesting that the pace bowlers have done the damage.
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Post by: JonHenry on March 07, 2017, 08:26:38 PM
Will be interesting to see if anyone gets dropped after this regardless of the result.
Warner and M Marsh surely must be looked at.
Warner doesn't look like he even has a plan, let alone executing one.
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Post by: Professer E on March 07, 2017, 08:47:58 PM
Warner is not reading the script and is not batting smart, but how a LH bat can be given LBW on a turning deck against a RH orthodox bowler staggers me. 

Wade isn't doing enough either and we must have seen the last of Mitch "lead boots" Marsh.  His brother is far too inconsistent for test level. 

They had a real go but batting last on such an appalling pitch was never going to end well.

Would have been nice to have seen Kohli choke on it but the Hollywood script doesn't apply to Australian cricket.
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Post by: sydneybluesfan on March 07, 2017, 08:53:36 PM
6 for 11 off 10 overs - straight back to the bad old days.

Batting not good enough under pressure again- too many passengers who don't look like they are going to make runs. But we are unlikely to make changes.
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Post by: DJC on March 07, 2017, 09:12:41 PM
6 for 11 off 10 overs - straight back to the bad old days.

Batting not good enough under pressure again- too many passengers who don't look like they are going to make runs. But we are unlikely to make changes.

Bad old days perhaps, but on a challenging pitch.  We really do need another top order batsman, and a quality all rounder to stiffen the middle order and chip in with a wicket or two.

I'd like to see Maxwell in the 11 for the next test but I agree that changes are unlikely.
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Post by: Bear on March 07, 2017, 10:47:58 PM
Pretty even match... dropped catches didn't help.

Read that Smith told S Marsh to "go" for a review... he misheard and walked off!
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Post by: Professer E on March 08, 2017, 08:10:49 AM
I don't mind a doctored pitch, which is to be expected and evens up the contest between bat and ball, but a pitch which serves up grubbers on such a regular basis removes the skill aspect and turns batting into a lottery.

We lost this on day three when we didn't push on for another 50 or so runs, then we bowled poorly and let them get away. 
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Post by: madbluboy on March 08, 2017, 09:19:47 AM
Good to see Kholi stand up to our bully boys. Reminds me of when Rantutunga stuck it up Warne, Healy and co back in the 96 world cup.
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Post by: malo on March 08, 2017, 09:57:55 AM
Good to see Kholi stand up to our bully boys. Reminds me of when Rantutunga stuck it up Warne, Healy and co back in the 96 world cup.

Kohli is a yappy f8wit....good to see him scoring heaps of runs this series.
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Post by: malo on March 08, 2017, 10:11:56 AM
Good to see Kholi stand up to our bully boys. Reminds me of when Rantutunga stuck it up Warne, Healy and co back in the 96 world cup.


....and I know what you're doing
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Post by: sydneybluesfan on March 08, 2017, 10:16:31 AM
Bad old days perhaps, but on a challenging pitch.  We really do need another top order batsman, and a quality all rounder to stiffen the middle order and chip in with a wicket or two.

I'd like to see Maxwell in the 11 for the next test but I agree that changes are unlikely.
Yeah I agree it was a challenging pitch, but our record on 'challenging' pitches over the last 5 or so years is woeful. It's called 'test' cricket for a reason, and quality test batsmen find a way to score runs in difficult conditions.

Unquestionably you need another batsman in the team and drop Marsh. We have a bowling all rounder who has bowled 5 overs in 2 tests and doesn't look threatening at all. The problem is do you now pick Usman after the massive show of 'no confidence' in his batting ability in these conditions that the selectors and coach have shown? He won't have batted for 3 weeks by the next test. Maxwell couldn't do any worse than Marsh with either bat or ball, but that's not ringing endorsement either.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on March 08, 2017, 10:40:46 AM
Looks like if we can we can win the last two tosses we can win the series 3-1 (or vice verse if we lose them) as batting last in these doctored up pitches is plainly diabolical. Ball spitting, spinning, bouncing abnormally, ball rolling along the ground. What a nightmare. 150 was a god awful chase on that pitch. No great blame on the batsmen. Where we lost it was on day 3 where we bowled badly, and that day Smith didn't have his best day as skipper. When we had then 4/120, only 33 ahead, we only needed one more wicket and we would've run though then like a dose of laxatives as India have been 5 out/all out all series. Problem was we let that 5th wicket put on 114 and it lost us the match as 188 was always likely to be out of reach.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 08, 2017, 10:44:14 AM
What I find amazing is that Kohli asserts glancing up at the coaches box is cheating and not in the spirit of the game, while India continues to publicly badger and berate officials like umpires, 3rd umpires and match referees(Even fined for doing so!) to the point that pressure builds and even borderline DRS decisions are altered in their favor!

International cricket commentators are still pondering how Warner LBW was Umpires Call, while the very same people are wondering what Kohli was complaining about, but it's that fear of retribution established by Kohli public criticism that forces the pendulum in India's favor.

Kohli deliberately incites the crowd by belligerently disputing DRS when it fails to favor his team, that is every bit as much cheating as anything Smith has done!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 08, 2017, 10:47:16 AM
Kohli is a yappy f8wit....good to see him scoring heaps of runs this series.

Not scoring runs but he has sucked Smith and crew in bigtime and got India back in the series...not sure why we continue to engage Kholi in the mind game stuff...
Smith looking at the dressing room for guidance on the review had his mind off the job and on Kholi..

On Dave Warner....looks a bit sick of International Cricket and touring IMO....needs a break...otherwise he might retire and stick to where the money is in IPL etc..IMHO.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on March 08, 2017, 10:56:57 AM
Not scoring runs but he has sucked Smith and crew in bigtime and got India back in the series...not sure why we continue to engage Kholi in the mind game stuff...
Smith looking at the dressing room for guidance on the review had his mind off the job and on Kholi..

On Dave Warner....looks a bit sick of International Cricket and touring IMO....needs a break...otherwise he might retire and stick to where the money is in IPL etc..IMHO.

There was some good individual batting performances given the pitch. Rahul and Pujara were outstanding scoring 80s/90s, as were S.Marsh and Renshaw scoring 60s. They were 100s, even big 100s, on any other pitch. 30's are the new 50. Even Wade's 40 was "big".

It's certainly different Test cricket  and certainly makes it interesting.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on March 08, 2017, 11:00:11 AM
Looks like if we can we can win the last two tosses we can win the series 3-1 (or vice verse if we lose them) as batting last in these doctored up pitches is plainly diabolical. Ball spitting, spinning, bouncing abnormally, ball rolling along the ground. What a nightmare. 150 was a god awful chase on that pitch. No great blame on the batsmen. Where we lost it was on day 3 where we bowled badly, and that day Smith didn't have his best day as skipper. When we had then 4/120, only 33 ahead, we only needed one more wicket and we would've run though then like a dose of laxatives as India have been 5 out/all out all series. Problem was we let that 5th wicket put on 114 and it lost us the match as 188 was always likely to be out of reach.

Playing Mitch Marsh ahead of G. Maxwell also cost us dearly....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on March 08, 2017, 11:02:56 AM
Playing Mitch Marsh ahead of G. Maxwell also cost us dearly....

Yes, once we were 4 down with M.Marsh to come I knew we were in trouble. Play Maxwell or another batsman. The spinners bowls so much we don't need a 5th bowler.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on March 08, 2017, 11:05:42 AM
Yes, once we were 4 down with M.Marsh to come I knew we were in trouble. Play Maxwell or another batsman. The spinners bowls so much we don't need a 5th bowler.

Maxwell, on these pitches, a far, far better bowler than Mitch, and a much better bat too.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on March 08, 2017, 11:06:56 AM
Maxwell, on these pitches, a far, far better bowler than Mitch, and a much better bat too.

I'd think so too.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 08, 2017, 11:14:47 AM
Maxwell, on these pitches, a far, far better bowler than Mitch, and a much better bat too.

Not sure any batsmen can thrive on these wickets, the wickets are basically determining the outcome.

Maxwell plays a lot of cross bat shots from the crease, it's unlikely to lead to many significant innings on up and down turning pitches. The only things in his favor are experience in India and bowling variety.

In my opinion Marsh / Marsh / Wade are all making rookie mistakes, leading with the pads with bats besides. Sure get forward to the ball, but get forward with the bat and keep your pad back and angled down on these sort of wickets. Play well in front of your pads.

So far the best thing beside Lyon has been Wade's improved keeping, it's better than expected on a pretty crap wicket.

Finally, I had an interesting discussion at the pub last night. A fellow cricket enthusiast and long time player suggested the heavy bats Warner, Marsh, Wade, etc., use do not favor scoring in India. He thinks you need light weight bats that allow for very late and significant adjustments(Low interia, easy to move), lots of 1s and 2s with not so many boundaries.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on March 08, 2017, 11:23:43 AM
Not sure any batsmen can thrive on these wickets, the wickets are basically determining the outcome.

Maxwell plays a lot of cross bat shots from the crease, it's unlikely to lead to many significant innings on up and down turning pitches. The only things in his favor are experience in India and bowling variety.

In my opinion Marsh / Marsh / Wade are all making rookie mistakes, leading with the pads with bats besides. Sure get forward to the ball, but get forward with the bat and keep your pad back and angled down on these sort of wickets. Play well in front of your pads.

So far the best thing beside Lyon has been Wade's improved keeping, it's better than expected on a pretty crap wicket.

Yes, you've done well if you get into the 30s on these pitches. There were some good individual innings in this Test, a couple of Indians but especially S.Marsh, Renshaw and to a lesser extent Wade's first innings, who were batting in conditions totally foreign.

Maxwell could go two ways. His cross batted shots could have the same effect as Starc, who's had a good series with the cross-bat slogging. His efforts with the bat put us in a great position in the First Test. Maxwell may similarly smash the spinners off their line or play a dumb shot and get himself out.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on March 08, 2017, 12:14:04 PM
Looks like if we can we can win the last two tosses we can win the series 3-1 (or vice verse if we lose them) as batting last in these doctored up pitches is plainly diabolical. Ball spitting, spinning, bouncing abnormally, ball rolling along the ground. What a nightmare.

So the first Test pitch was rated by the ICC as "poor"........

I agree, we need to win the next toss more than ever now.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on March 08, 2017, 05:11:41 PM
On Dave Warner....looks a bit sick of International Cricket and touring IMO....needs a break...otherwise he might retire and stick to where the money is in IPL etc..IMHO.

I think his lack of technique has been exposed, nothing more nothing less.
His stats on the sub continent and in England are poor.
Everyone said he would have issues with the moving ball when he first came on the scene, but he produced in Australia so he got a pass.
Time to look at the bigger picture and select players that have a technique and game plan for all conditions.
Renshaw is a prime example
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on March 08, 2017, 07:25:22 PM
Mitch Marsh has done a shoulder and has been ruled out of the remaining Tests.

While I don't like to see players injured, it may be a positive for the team.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: IvanAwfulbigone on March 08, 2017, 08:54:13 PM
Kohli deliberately incites the crowd by belligerently disputing DRS when it fails to favor his team, that is every bit as much cheating as anything Smith has done!

Kohli is the Sean Denham of international cricket.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on March 09, 2017, 12:09:30 AM
Kohli is the Sean Denham of international cricket.


Kholii is a star and is one of the best batsman in the world...Denham was a failed rover from Geelong who eked out a career at Essendon following great players around the park notably one G. Williams.
Test Cricket will survive through players like Kholi, sure we all want to slap him for being an obnoxious brat but hey thats how some of our blokes have played the game and prospered ie Dave Warner...Kholi is unusual in that he plays cricket hard and un Indian like with plenty of cheek and chat, makes for a great contest and I enjoy his contribution to the game.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on March 09, 2017, 12:19:39 AM

Kholii is a star and is one of the best batsman in the world...Denham was a failed rover from Geelong who eked out a career at Essendon following great players around the park notably one G. Williams.
Test Cricket will survive through players like Kholi, sure we all want to slap him for being an obnoxious brat but hey thats how some of our blokes have played the game and prospered ie Dave Warner...Kholi is unusual in that he plays cricket hard and un Indian like with plenty of cheek and chat, makes for a great contest and I enjoy his contribution to the game.

Yes, I tend to agree.  Kohli's behaviour, while over the top, is no different to what we see from the Aussie test team ... and Smith was cheating!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on March 09, 2017, 01:02:39 AM
We have too many batsmen who are flat-track bullies at home but get found out in places like the sub-continent where the ball turns on a different paced pitch.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LordLucifer on March 09, 2017, 01:04:25 AM
Finally, I had an interesting discussion at the pub last night. A fellow cricket enthusiast and long time player suggested the heavy bats Warner, Marsh, Wade, etc., use do not favor scoring in India. He thinks you need light weight bats that allow for very late and significant adjustments(Low interia, easy to move), lots of 1s and 2s with not so many boundaries.

I'm in agreeance with that theory.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 09, 2017, 07:42:51 AM
Kohli is the Sean Denham of international cricket.

I'd forgotten that name, or at least blotted it out of my memory.

But as much as Kohli irritates me he's a first class sportsmen, not a dead-set hack like Denham using gutter tactics to keep up with the big boys.

I'll probably have nightmares now you've refreshed my memory! :(
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on March 09, 2017, 08:37:54 AM
Re: bats... not sure they are actually "heavy"... even though they are massive. I'd doubt the Indians use "lighter" bats.

And players on both sides have struggled to make runs.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on March 09, 2017, 09:50:19 AM
Re: bats... not sure they are actually "heavy"... even though they are massive. I'd doubt the Indians use "lighter" bats.

And players on both sides have struggled to make runs.

As I understand it, the dimensions of bats are controlled but weight isn't.  However, the difference between the lightest and heaviest bats is only around 200gm (say 15% of the heavier bats) and I think that the effect of that difference would be negligible for Test cricketers.

It would be interesting to look at the results of any biometric studies of cricket bat weight.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on March 09, 2017, 11:08:33 AM
I purchased bats for both my kids this year and the technology in bats is amazing.  They are all relatively light and the "swing weight" (i.e. balance) is amazing, if you time it the ball just zings away.

I heard that Warner has custom bats for India, with a lower sweet spot and heavier than normal to make up for the lack of weight and bounce.   I suspect this is a mistake.

I have also heard that the more you pay, the better the wood, which means lighter for a given volume - that's why Warner's Kaboom model in a kids size is hopeless because it is made with 5th grade willow and is like swinging a brick.  Current bats aren't pressed and are much drier, that's also why so many break.  My kids played their's in and oiled them because the grain started to open up at first.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on March 09, 2017, 01:31:04 PM
Not scoring runs but he has sucked Smith and crew in bigtime and got India back in the series...not sure why we continue to engage Kholi in the mind game stuff...
Smith looking at the dressing room for guidance on the review had his mind off the job and on Kholi..

On Dave Warner....looks a bit sick of International Cricket and touring IMO....needs a break...otherwise he might retire and stick to where the money is in IPL etc..IMHO.

Reckon Warner is a bit of a flat track bully. Creams attacks on Aus wickets and the like with that thick blade of his, then struggles in England against the moving ball and on the sub continent against gun spinners. And, he's a sook with a mouth. Cannot have him as our National Test VC.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sydneybluesfan on March 09, 2017, 01:53:31 PM
The selectors are taking the piss surely with the replacement for Marsh.

Firstly they now fess up that not only was he hopelessly out form prior to the tour, he was also carrying a shoulder injury that has now 'flared up' [after bowling 5 overs??]. Meanwhile we leave a fully fit Cartwright behind, after he performed ok in his only test.

We now select Stoinis - who has scored 160 runs this shield season at 16, but scored a great hundred in a meaningless ODI vs NZ. Meanwhile the other form all rounder in Australia - Moises Henriques, is peeling off huge runs [650 odd for the season at 65], and has just come off scoring a career best 250 and a nice half century yesterday. He's in career best form and ready to go, but we leave him at home.

The selectors decision to pick guys with little or no shield form for test cricket [Maddinson, Wade, Marsh] has been a disaster - but these blokes never learn their lessons. Who holds these guys accountable for their continual stupid and incoherent selection decisions??

Warner's record on the sub continent and England is terrible for one simple reason - his poor footwork gets found out against the moving or spinning ball. He moves his back foot to leg rather than back and across. And I don't think he's smart enough to adapt and fix the problem as it is so ingrained, so he tries to manufacture shots to try and mask problem. Unfortunately it's not working, and the quicker they get Kwaj in for him the better, but there is no way he will be dropped.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 09, 2017, 02:00:23 PM
The selectors are taking the piss surely with the replacement for Marsh.

Firstly they now fess up that not only was he hopelessly out form prior to the tour, he was also carrying a shoulder injury that has now 'flared up' [after bowling 5 overs??]. Meanwhile we leave a fully fit Cartwright behind, after he performed ok in his only test.

I'd heard he was struck on the hand shortly before he was dismissed and it caused problems, it's a pre-existing injury apparently.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: spf on March 09, 2017, 02:02:10 PM
Reckon Warner is a bit of a flat track bully. Creams attacks on Aus wickets and the like with that thick blade of his, then struggles in England against the moving ball and on the sub continent against gun spinners. And, he's a sook with a mouth. Cannot have him as our National Test VC.

I will be very interested to see how Warner goes with a smaller bat, I have always thought that might reveal just where he sits amongst the good players.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on March 09, 2017, 07:16:54 PM
The selectors are taking the piss surely with the replacement for Marsh.

Firstly they now fess up that not only was he hopelessly out form prior to the tour, he was also carrying a shoulder injury that has now 'flared up' [after bowling 5 overs??]. Meanwhile we leave a fully fit Cartwright behind, after he performed ok in his only test.

We now select Stoinis - who has scored 160 runs this shield season at 16, but scored a great hundred in a meaningless ODI vs NZ. Meanwhile the other form all rounder in Australia - Moises Henriques, is peeling off huge runs [650 odd for the season at 65], and has just come off scoring a career best 250 and a nice half century yesterday. He's in career best form and ready to go, but we leave him at home.

The selectors decision to pick guys with little or no shield form for test cricket [Maddinson, Wade, Marsh] has been a disaster - but these blokes never learn their lessons. Who holds these guys accountable for their continual stupid and incoherent selection decisions??

Warner's record on the sub continent and England is terrible for one simple reason - his poor footwork gets found out against the moving or spinning ball. He moves his back foot to leg rather than back and across. And I don't think he's smart enough to adapt and fix the problem as it is so ingrained, so he tries to manufacture shots to try and mask problem. Unfortunately it's not working, and the quicker they get Kwaj in for him the better, but there is no way he will be dropped.

Warner hit 5 half centuries last tour to England. He has scores 52, 38, 83, 77, 64, 85. Hit 3 centuries and 2 half centuries in South Africa too against the world's best attack. Also 133 and 58 in his two test against the Pakis in the UAE on spinning tracks. Actually, on those bunsen burners in India even score in the 30s he got probably weren't bad. Those pitches are diabolical. Also, after a flop in the first Test had scores of 42, 41 and 68 in the last two Tests in Sri Lanka. Only criticism of Warner overseas is he gets decent scores without going right on.

As for Stoinis he's a lucky man after averaging 15 this season. At least he got 46 today, the first decent thing he had done at first class level all year. Maybe we hypnotise him and tell him he's playing a one dayer in New Zealand before he goes out to face the Indians...lol!!!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on March 09, 2017, 07:25:57 PM
Reckon Warner is a bit of a flat track bully. Creams attacks on Aus wickets and the like with that thick blade of his, then struggles in England against the moving ball and on the sub continent against gun spinners. And, he's a sook with a mouth. Cannot have him as our National Test VC.

Read the post above. You might be surprised. Definitely our VC.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on March 09, 2017, 09:36:54 PM
Warner hit 5 half centuries last tour to England. He has scores 52, 38, 83, 77, 64, 85. Hit 3 centuries and 2 half centuries in South Africa too against the world's best attack. Also 133 and 58 in his two test against the Pakis in the UAE on spinning tracks. Actually, on those bunsen burners in India even score in the 30s he got probably weren't bad. Those pitches are diabolical. Also, after a flop in the first Test had scores of 42, 41 and 68 in the last two Tests in Sri Lanka. Only criticism of Warner overseas is he gets decent scores without going right on.

As for Stoinis he's a lucky man after averaging 15 this season. At least he got 46 today, the first decent thing he had done at first class level all year. Maybe we hypnotise him and tell him he's playing a one dayer in New Zealand before he goes out to face the Indians...lol!!!

Stop using facts Jim, it stifles discussion ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sydneybluesfan on March 09, 2017, 11:39:08 PM
Stop using facts Jim, it stifles discussion ;)
You are correct that his UK stats aren't too bad, but he still averages 37 from 8 tests which is slightly below par for an opener.

Across India and SL he has now played 9 tests and averages 26. Whichever way you cut it that is poor for an opener. Given the 'horses for courses' policy this is going to be questioned soon. I think he will survive for the next 2 tests because he is a potential match winner, but he doesn't look anything like the threat he does on the flatter pitches of Aust and SA.

But he's not our biggest problem - lack of batting at 6 & 7 and a 9/10/11 who look all at sea mean we are always going to struggle. In the last 2 tests our 9/10/11 have added a total of 31 runs across 4 innings - a collective average of less than 3!

The decision to leave the form batsman in Australia back at home when they had a chance to get him on the plane yesterday just beggars belief.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on March 10, 2017, 07:48:40 AM
who is that SBF? the form player?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sydneybluesfan on March 10, 2017, 07:52:30 AM
who is that SBF? the form player?
Moises Henriques - scored 659 runs for the shield season averaging 66 and just coming off a 256. I know he has limitations, but he is a good cricketer in career best form. We pick a bloke who averages 15 this year when runs are like gold over in India at the moment!!!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on March 10, 2017, 07:53:47 AM
Moises Henriques - scored 659 runs for the shield season averaging 66 and just coming off a 256. I know he has limitations, but he is a good cricketer in career best form. We pick a bloke who averages 15 this year when runs are like gold over in India at the moment!!!

fair enough, and he can bowl a bit too?

Form should be rewarded undoubtedly, not a lack of it!

For mine, we would have won dat 2nd Test if Maxwell had played ahead of Mitch Marsh....
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on March 10, 2017, 07:55:02 AM
Our best bat in the last India series was Siddle at 8.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 10, 2017, 08:05:49 AM
Well as I suspected, the controversy really did start with Kohli's dismissal!

Quote from: Ben Home, The Daily Telegraph
As Virat Kohli left a tornado of destruction behind him in the Indian dressing room, fuming he had been given out lbw, it’s understood Kumble went to seek immediate clarification from match officials as to why his irate skipper was given out at a key moment of the second Test.

Kohli might be the aggressor in the brazen campaign India is running against Australia’s integrity — even striking an Australian official with an orange Gatorade bottle — but coach Kumble, one of the main instigators of the Monkeygate fiasco, would appear to have reclaimed his role as the puppeteer behind the scenes.

International coaches have access to the officials’ box, but it’s highly unusual for them to make contact mid match, and Kumble’s actions appear indicative of India’s overall attitude that they can dictate to the law makers of the game.

Read it Here (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/cricket/anil-kumble-confronted-officials-over-virat-kohli-wicket-midmatch-adding-fuel-to-series-raging-fire/news-story/4d4087175ee6cf6c64ebff8317965902)

I think I've used this term before, but the smeller is the fella!

Otherwise the Indian complaints are all smoke and mirrors, covering up their attempts to influence officials and alter key decisions in the game. I wouldn't be surprised to find them playing the race card again!

Maybe CA can send Mick Gatto? :D
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sydneybluesfan on March 10, 2017, 10:09:31 AM
fair enough, and he can bowl a bit too?

Form should be rewarded undoubtedly, not a lack of it!

For mine, we would have won dat 2nd Test if Maxwell had played ahead of Mitch Marsh....
He's back bowling after an injury lay off. He doesn't bowl long spells, but you only need him to bowl 3-4 tight overs to give the main guys a spell.

I just can't understand why we pick out of form players and expect they are going to perform under intense pressure. And the message it sends to other players is terrible.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on March 10, 2017, 10:12:09 AM
Kumble.... well described as "the puppet master"... has never been backwards in beating Australia over the head in the past on issues like "sportsmanship" and "rasicm" and "overtly aggressive appealing" yet seems to have no aversion about doing exactly the same.

The sermons loses their impact when the flock pursues a different path.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sydneybluesfan on March 10, 2017, 10:27:57 AM
Well as I suspected, the controversy really did start with Kohli's dismissal!

Read it Here (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/cricket/anil-kumble-confronted-officials-over-virat-kohli-wicket-midmatch-adding-fuel-to-series-raging-fire/news-story/4d4087175ee6cf6c64ebff8317965902)

I think I've used this term before, but the smeller is the fella!

Otherwise the Indian complaints are all smoke and mirrors, covering up their attempts to influence officials and alter key decisions in the game. I wouldn't be surprised to find them playing the race card again!

Maybe CA can send Mick Gatto? :D

Of course it's all smoke and mirrors. You only had to listen to the 3rd umpire as he explained the decision very clearly. There was nothing controversial about the decision at all - there was no proof he definitely hit the ball first, so the umpires decision stands. Which part of that is complicated to understand.

What annoys me is no one calls them out on their antics. Kholi claimed Australia twice looked to the dressing room while he was batting and called Smith a cheat. But India have provided no proof of this very serious allegation, but there is no sanction from the ICC.

The umps are piss weak and running scared they will be vetoed by the Indians if they try to put a stop to their on field games. It's part of a concerted effort to assert maximum pressure on the officials to get favourable outcomes within the match.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on March 10, 2017, 11:19:10 AM
Hey Smithy,

I've got this stupid call centre woman who rings me at 6 pm every Friday night and tells me that she is from Microsoft and I have a virus on my computer, and if I send her some money she will clean my computer for me.

Can you please pass onto the Indians next time you're batting to tell their mates that I don't have a virus on my computer, because I keep telling her to go away but she won't listen.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 10, 2017, 11:22:40 AM
The umps are piss weak and running scared they will be vetoed by the Indians if they try to put a stop to their on field games. It's part of a concerted effort to assert maximum pressure on the officials to get favourable outcomes within the match.

It's not a vetoe they are worried about, they are worried about having their throat cut while they sleep, in the same manner Kohli motioned to Handscomb.

Even the foreign media are running scared, they refuse to comment on such issues until they are clear of the country.

And as you mention, for Kohli and Kumble it's all about influencing the outcome, but the repercussions of their actions go much further and Kohli and Kumble rely on that to add gravity to the decisions that are made.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on March 10, 2017, 11:24:50 AM
Read the post above. You might be surprised. Definitely our VC.

Fair nuff. Definitely not VC in my eyes. He's a sook in my opinion and bristles in Aus conditions, then weakens off overseas. Not saying he's rubbish, just a tad overrated IMHO. Dont mean he aint a good player.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on March 10, 2017, 11:32:02 AM
Fair nuff. Definitely not VC in my eyes. He's a sook in my opinion and bristles in Aus conditions, then weakens off overseas. Not saying he's rubbish, just a tad overrated IMHO. Dont mean he aint a good player.

He aint a good player in England or on the sub continent.

He averages 37 in England. That's not what you call a good average for an opener, and it clearly comes back to how hard he goes at the ball.
He plays the ball out in front of his head, not under his eyes.

In India he averages 24. He has no plan and no idea about playing the percentages, and his two outs last test were prime examples.

Sri Lanka his average is 27.

Yes in South Africa he goes well because the conditions are similar to Australia.

He has made 17 out of 18 hundreds in Australia and South Africa
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Pratty on March 10, 2017, 12:25:31 PM
He aint a good player in England or on the sub continent.

He averages 37 in England. That's not what you call a good average for an opener, and it clearly comes back to how hard he goes at the ball.
He plays the ball out in front of his head, not under his eyes.

In India he averages 24. He has no plan and no idea about playing the percentages, and his two outs last test were prime examples.

Sri Lanka his average is 27.

Yes in South Africa he goes well because the conditions are similar to Australia.

He has made 17 out of 18 hundreds in Australia and South Africa

Your facts back up my opinion then JH.

I stand firm, he's a flat track bully. Hoping, he and others, can get us over the line in the 3rd Test v India though. Let's see. Good test for our blokes!

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 10, 2017, 01:28:54 PM
Your facts back up my opinion then JH.

I stand firm, he's a flat track bully. Hoping, he and others, can get us over the line in the 3rd Test v India though. Let's see. Good test for our blokes!

Good or bad he has a problem coming, the new rules that are enforced later this year make his current bats illegal.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on March 10, 2017, 04:54:02 PM
Good or bad he has a problem coming, the new rules that are enforced later this year make his current bats illegal.

He does, the bat will be lighter and more aero dynamic so he will play the ball even further in front of his body  :o
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on March 10, 2017, 05:56:02 PM
He aint a good player in England or on the sub continent.

He averages 37 in England. That's not what you call a good average for an opener, and it clearly comes back to how hard he goes at the ball.
He plays the ball out in front of his head, not under his eyes.

In India he averages 24. He has no plan and no idea about playing the percentages, and his two outs last test were prime examples.

Sri Lanka his average is 27.

Yes in South Africa he goes well because the conditions are similar to Australia.

He has made 17 out of 18 hundreds in Australia and South Africa

Did have a decent series in England last time with 5 half centuries. The average in England comes down to 37 with his first series there in 2013 after he punched Joe Root. Can't really use averages with 3 Tests as it can be skewed by a very bad, which happens to most batsman, or very good Test. 3 of his last 4 innings in SL were 42, 41 and 68 after a crap first Test. Solid but certainly not spectacular. South Africa conditions are still different, against the world's best attack, and it is away. You could say that's just getting selective if you wanted to suit an argument, not that i'm saying you are. Even the UAE he got 133 and 58 in two Tests there. He's not on his own in India over a couple of tours.

He got his overseas average to 41 at one stage, which is good in anyone's language away from home, but then hit a rough patch on the road, which brought it down to 36 or 37. Still, the likes of Hayden, Clarke and many others stars over the years averaged less than 40 overseas. Not unusual to go worse overseas than that home. That's why winning records are alot better at home because you're more suited to home conditions. He hasn't been as good overseas the last few series but career-wise overseas his issue is more not going on to get centuries, which tends to hurt the average as you will always have your failures. He has alot more half centuries overseas than he does in Australia, where he tends to convert them.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on March 11, 2017, 03:35:44 AM
Did have a decent series in England last time with 5 half centuries. The average in England comes down to 37 with his first series there in 2013 after he punched Joe Root. Can't really use averages with 3 Tests as it can be skewed by a very bad, which happens to most batsman, or very good Test. 3 of his last 4 innings in SL were 42, 41 and 68 after a crap first Test. Solid but certainly not spectacular. South Africa conditions are still different, against the world's best attack, and it is away. You could say that's just getting selective if you wanted to suit an argument, not that i'm saying you are. Even the UAE he got 133 and 58 in two Tests there. He's not on his own in India over a couple of tours.

He got his overseas average to 41 at one stage, which is good in anyone's language away from home, but then hit a rough patch on the road, which brought it down to 36 or 37. Still, the likes of Hayden, Clarke and many others stars over the years averaged less than 40 overseas. Not unusual to go worse overseas than that home. That's why winning records are alot better at home because you're more suited to home conditions. He hasn't been as good overseas the last few series but career-wise overseas his issue is more not going on to get centuries, which tends to hurt the average as you will always have your failures. He has alot more half centuries overseas than he does in Australia, where he tends to convert them.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Bear on March 11, 2017, 10:20:27 AM
It's not a vetoe they are worried about, they are worried about having their throat cut while they sleep, in the same manner Kohli motioned to Handscomb.

Even the foreign media are running scared, they refuse to comment on such issues until they are clear of the country.

And as you mention, for Kohli and Kumble it's all about influencing the outcome, but the repercussions of their actions go much further and Kohli and Kumble rely on that to add gravity to the decisions that are made.

Please... might as well get on the plane and come home if that is the case.

Umpiring has not been the issue... Aussies appear to have been sucked in by Kohli and over reacted post match. Why Sutherland would pour oil on the fire is beyond me.

What Smith did was wrong - not a hanging offence,  just put your hand up and move on. Aussies have shown that India aren't that good when put under pressure. Kohli hasn't made a run, the expectations on him are huge.

We are probably screwed now with Starc being out anyway... but our guys should be confident that they can match it with India.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on March 15, 2017, 12:17:08 PM
Did have a decent series in England last time with 5 half centuries. The average in England comes down to 37 with his first series there in 2013 after he punched Joe Root. Can't really use averages with 3 Tests as it can be skewed by a very bad, which happens to most batsman, or very good Test. 3 of his last 4 innings in SL were 42, 41 and 68 after a crap first Test. Solid but certainly not spectacular. South Africa conditions are still different, against the world's best attack, and it is away. You could say that's just getting selective if you wanted to suit an argument, not that i'm saying you are. Even the UAE he got 133 and 58 in two Tests there. He's not on his own in India over a couple of tours.

He got his overseas average to 41 at one stage, which is good in anyone's language away from home, but then hit a rough patch on the road, which brought it down to 36 or 37. Still, the likes of Hayden, Clarke and many others stars over the years averaged less than 40 overseas. Not unusual to go worse overseas than that home. That's why winning records are alot better at home because you're more suited to home conditions. He hasn't been as good overseas the last few series but career-wise overseas his issue is more not going on to get centuries, which tends to hurt the average as you will always have your failures. He has alot more half centuries overseas than he does in Australia, where he tends to convert them.

I'm not saying use 3 tests, he played there again and now has 8 tests.
An average is just that, it's spread across his record.
He simply does not handle the moving ball. Therefore he never bats long enough.

There is a very good reason he doesn't go on to get centuries, because his technique does not allow it.
He doesn't go out early because he is technically sound but chooses to give it away, he goes out because he can't handle the conditions.
He doesn't have suitable plans for Ashwin, Broad and Anderson.
I'm not saying it's easy, but the best players adapt.
His game is suited to the ball coming on and without sideways movement.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: laj on March 15, 2017, 01:05:54 PM
I'm not saying use 3 tests, he played there again and now has 8 tests.
An average is just that, it's spread across his record.
He simply does not handle the moving ball. Therefore he never bats long enough.

There is a very good reason he doesn't go on to get centuries, because his technique does not allow it.
He doesn't go out early because he is technically sound but chooses to give it away, he goes out because he can't handle the conditions.
He doesn't have suitable plans for Ashwin, Broad and Anderson.
I'm not saying it's easy, but the best players adapt.
His game is suited to the ball coming on and without sideways movement.

Last England series no-one handled the moving ball. Hence scores of 130 and 60. No good pointing the blame at one person. Thing is he made 5 half centuries on his last tour there, including two scores in the 80's and one in the 70's. Liked a century but there's nothing wrong with that output. We can argue what he can and can't do but those were his scores. Sri Lanka was ok in his last two tests without being great. Certainly went ok in the UAE and definitely good in South Africa. For some reason he's done no good in the West Indies, which should've been the easiest place to bat. He does have 14 half centuries overseas and averages around 37. That's about what many stars average overseas actually.  Needed to go on and make more hundreds as now doing so has brought the overseas average down.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on March 16, 2017, 08:09:26 AM
Indians are taking the p1ss with the Ranchi pitch... perhaps they should have their test status revoked if they can't produce a decent pitch... oh wait, they all but run the ICC and can do whatever they want...

As for there being a drought, the outfield seems to get enough water to stay green, just doesn't seem to rain in the centre block...
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 16, 2017, 08:27:35 AM
Indians are taking the p1ss with the Ranchi pitch... perhaps they should have their test status revoked if they can't produce a decent pitch... oh wait, they all but run the ICC and can do whatever they want...

As for there being a drought, the outfield seems to get enough water to stay green, just doesn't seem to rain in the centre block...

The ICC are spineless, they need to whack the Indian team with penalties for the behaviour of BCCI officials.

FWIW, I've never understood why the ICC, given it stumps up for match officials by the dozen(bus loads of them), can't have a small crew of international curators that arrive at test venues a few weeks before a game and oversee the preparation of the pitch.

The thing is with Indian business culture, there would be a local curator deadset ready to join such a panel for profit and backstab his compatriots, their whole free market system is built on doing the dirty! The only thing you would need to do is make sure he doesn't end up on the take from a Indian bookmaker.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: malo on March 16, 2017, 09:20:14 AM
Pat Cummins ready to go after 1 shield game in 7 years........please.

James Pattinson ruled himself out of being picked as he just wants to play some consistent local cricket.....shame Pat doesn't have the same attitude...or at least the people "managing" him anyway.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on March 16, 2017, 11:34:23 AM
The ICC are spineless, they need to whack the Indian team with penalties for the behaviour of BCCI officials.

FWIW, I've never understood why the ICC, given it stumps up for match officials by the dozen(bus loads of them), can't have a small crew of international curators that arrive at test venues a few weeks before a game and oversee the preparation of the pitch.

The thing is with Indian business culture, there would be a local curator deadset ready to join such a panel for profit and backstab his compatriots, their whole free market system is built on doing the dirty! The only thing you would need to do is make sure he doesn't end up on the take from a Indian bookmaker.

Why bother, just give the away team the choice of whether to bat first or second, in every test, all over the world.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 16, 2017, 11:48:54 AM
Why bother, just give the away team the choice of whether to bat first or second, in every test, all over the world.

I know that eliminating the toss has been proposed before, but there are skills in captaining and managing game tactics that give the toss a special place in the sport. If you eliminate the toss you are taking away many of those aspects of the sport. The other concern raised at that suggestion is that it would eventually led to very vanilla drawn tests as the most common result.

All the game really needs is reasonable wickets, it's clear to me the BCCI is focused on winning over the general governance of the game, and that in my opinion is a Indian cultural thing. Dealing in India I have found the outcome takes priority over the means, even if the outcome requires some questionable dealings.

For example, like China, in Indian business if you can avoid paying an invoice regardless of your relationship with the supplier you will be lauded as a good business person. The person or company they rip off is foolish, in their eyes you must expect that if an opportunity is available to cheat or shortcut it will be taken. I suspect this is why they have resisted DRS for so long, it's basically anti-Indian in their eyes. The real problem for "Western" societies comes after being burnt, the Indians will come back to you next time and expect the relationship to continue like nothing ever happened. This is a little different from the Chinese that won't show their "face" after doing the dirty. Westerners take offense at being "ripped off" and hold an everlasting grudge.

In India it's like they did you a favor by showing you how they can avoid paying! They were smarter than you, you will know better next time!

If you put all this in the context of a sport, the rules, the media statements, you can easily understand how they can look at a video replay and claim it's not showing the truth, or that the pitch is fine.

We are shocked about the pitches, they expect them to be that way.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: PaulP on March 16, 2017, 12:04:27 PM
This might be hypocritical coming from me, but you might want to leave the racial stereotyping out of a cricket thread. In fact, just leave it out full stop.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 16, 2017, 12:26:44 PM
This might be hypocritical coming from me, but you might want to leave the racial stereotyping out of a cricket thread. In fact, just leave it out full stop.

Racism and stereotyping has nothing to do with it, I've seen the very same initial reaction from others being taught how to trade in India. They almost cannot accept that is the way things are, but how conflicted they must be when it's an Indian teaching them.

If that is the common business culture it's the business culture, and in India cricket is a business.

You can even attend corporate training sessions, some of which are operated by expatriate Indian and Chinese business people, that will take you through the reason why it is the way it is in those two cultures.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on March 16, 2017, 12:31:00 PM
Unfortunately Paul, it's far too close to the truth for comfort... I've been burned so many times by people of Indian background I've given up doing business with them.  The barefaced lies they come up with are shameful, the only way I could get my head around it is that it is part of their culture and that's the way it is.  They burn you and then come back as if they are your best mate and get offended when you point out their transgressions and that don't trust them.

Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: PaulP on March 16, 2017, 12:44:07 PM
Pass.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 16, 2017, 01:28:40 PM
Pass.

There's a Timmy moment! ;)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: townsendcalling on March 16, 2017, 03:21:44 PM
We won the toss!  Great start
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 16, 2017, 03:26:26 PM
This pitch will be running along the ground by Day 3.

Australia need to make quick Day 1 runs and plenty of them, but they must also bat well into Day 2.

A target of 150 might be out of reach Day 4 or 5.

Warner out, off a full toss! ...............  JonHenry where are you?
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on March 16, 2017, 03:59:08 PM
This pitch will be running along the ground by Day 3.

Australia need to make quick Day 1 runs and plenty of them, but they must also bat well into Day 2.

A target of 150 might be out of reach Day 4 or 5.

Warner out, off a full toss! ...............  Jon Henry where are you?

I'm here and he is a d!ck.
He needs a kick in the A5s
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: crashlander on March 16, 2017, 04:12:45 PM
Warner has certainly not come to terms with the conditions. That is a great disappointment, as he has handled just about everywhere else.

But a lot f our players lose concentration and get themselves out too easily. The Marsh brothers were the kings of that tactic. The Big Show tends to do the same: get an attack at his mercy and then get out.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: LP on March 16, 2017, 04:52:02 PM
Perhaps we are just too reserved on the sub-continent, our guys often look like they crack after a period of trying to play conservatively.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on March 16, 2017, 05:06:53 PM
Perhaps we are just too reserved on the sub-continent, our guys often look like they crack after a period of trying to play conservatively.

I think you need technique and then you have to have a plan. Renshaw seems to have coped pretty well and he is 20.

Marsh got out defending a ball missing his leg stump.
Warner got out bowled last test, in the first innings, stepping away to leg for a ball that pitched a mile outside leg.

You have to play a lot smarter when the conditions are against you.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on March 16, 2017, 05:39:49 PM
Wasn't Sean Marsh supposed to be a sub continent specialist?

Should be filed next to his brother in the " never to play for Australia again" file.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: Professer E on March 16, 2017, 06:34:54 PM
Not even three hours in and we're %&%ed.

%^%&)ing batsmen, when are they going to stand up and contribute something???
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on March 16, 2017, 08:16:59 PM
Not even three hours in and we're %&%ed.

%^%&)ing batsmen, when are they going to stand up and contribute something???

You may have gone too soon Prof.

Losing only one wicket in the session was a pretty good effort even if we only scored 85 runs.  Wickets in hand may be more important than runs at this stage.  A very restrained and responsible innings from Maxwell and Smith's innings must be driving Kohli mad :)
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: DJC on March 16, 2017, 08:56:24 PM
Maxwell brought up his 50 with a six but the ball was there to be hit.  Well done by the Big Show!
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: flyboy77 on March 16, 2017, 09:40:56 PM
Maxwell was always a better option than Mitch Marsh in India - one could well argue bad selection cost us the 2nd Test.
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: sydneybluesfan on March 16, 2017, 09:53:09 PM
Maxwell was always a better option than Mitch Marsh in India - one could well argue bad selection cost us the 2nd Test.
How amazing is this innings by Smith? He is quickly moving into rare air in terms of best ever test batsmen, especially if he goes really big here and they win the test and the series. No one gave them any chance 3 weeks ago, and he has played them into a commanding position.

And could this be the making of Maxy?? He's always had the talent but not the brains, but batting with Smith has transformed him. 
Title: Re: Australian Cricket - Crisis, What Crisis ??
Post by: JonHenry on March 16, 2017, 09:53:50 PM
Maxwell was always a better option than Mitch Marsh in India - one could well argue bad selection cost us the 2nd Test.