Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: Woodstock on November 03, 2013, 08:40:04 pm

Quote from: LP on November 03, 2013, 03:24:01 pm

Kids are well trained in tactics to deal with bullying, and what you describe as the old ways is now nothing more than bullying. It doesn't work with young men anymore, they are too well educated and socially connected.

Anyone thinking they can go down that path will quickly find themselves redundant like Pagan!

There is no respect earned through abuse!

Read this. http://www.theage.com.au/lifestyle/life/swedens-liberal-parents-spoil-children-rotten-20131102-2wtjy.html

Have a wee think about it and tell me why social engineering isn't to blame, along with the warped media, in screwing up today's youth. I can guarantee you that my kids are one of the best behaved, well mannered and happiest out of all their friends. Why? Because they have boundaries that are non negotiable, they know to behave, they get rewarded for doing tasks around the house. If they cross the line they punished and yes..I have belted my kids and will continue to do so. Has to be done. The threat alone keeps them in toe now 99% of the time. The bastard who thought that parents should negotiate with immature minds should be put on trial.

The best line in that Article is that a family is not a democracy. Brilliant. Between my wife and I, those kids have respect and if that is tinged with fear..they'll thank me later when they see their friends treat their parents like crap and shake their own heads. Friends to my kids, yes, but Dad first.

Genuinely shocked, and disappointed at what I just read.

There is a plethora of anecdotal evidence to support both arguments - to spank or not to spank. This issue is far greater and way more important than anecdotal stories.

But if you want anecdotal, then I will meet your anecdotal and raise you an anecdotal… I have 2 daughters who were never spanked, which to me, if I had, would have been physical abuse. Today, they are both terrific 'citizens'. They were both set strong and clear boundaries... enforced by voice, example and non-negotiable rewards and punishments (never physical. Boundaries is the key).

A child’s body (indeed, all people), is sacrosanct.

Too many of us are the parents that our parents were. Well, not here. My sister, brother and I were disciplined in the good old Catholic way... spare the rod and spoil the child. Watching my sister, deeply distressed, at age 14, whilst my father 'spanked' her was traumatic. She learned nothing from his 'hiding'... other than shame. Yes, I know, anecdotal… but I know what his hidings did to my sister (and me).

For any human being to believe that striking another person is good for them; will help them, is obscene and ridiculous. The only thing violence teaches is that violence will get you what you want by force... and that lesson is all around us and contributes significantly to so many social issues.

Please do not confuse my comments with some flowery 60s or Swedish understanding that kids should be regarded as adult and given no discipline and just allowed to develop and grow on their own – rubbish. Boundaries are the key, but how you enforce these boundaries says more about you than your kids – if you need to resort to violence (hitting) to get obedience, then you have failed. You are the adult. You have the big brain. Use it.

Quote from: Bennyboy on September 15, 2013, 10:26:49 am

I would be very reluctant to trade Yarran. I really believe his best footy is played from the HBF or from a wing. Playing as a small fwd can be a very tough gig, trying to get yourself involved in games consistently which is his problem when played there.

Remember in 2012 he was an AA chance, playing off the HBF, before he got injured about half way through the year. His run and carry from there was sublime and the opposition were trying hard to tag him out of games.

Yes he can without doubt look good Benny but for me, and maybe I'm being very hard on him, he is candy floss. He looks real good when we are on top but you don't notice him anywhere near as much when it gets really tough - in other words, to me he is a natural front runner and I would really question his inner reserves of mental toughness. Anyway, we'll see - I would love to be proved wrong for sure.

I deliberately didn't look at the forums after getting home from the game, I was too gropable and din't want to say too much that I would regret.
I have calmed down a little bit this morning... Still bitterly disappointed though, not so much with the result, I thought we were long shots to win, but with the effort.
Apart from the first quarter, and a few guys in the last quarter, I thought our boys again showed a lack of heart, a lack of passion... Our boys simply don't work hard enough. One notable exception INHO was Judd, who even though he failed to really make too much of an impact, clearly worked harder than anyone else in blue. I think I saw one kick to him that was placed to his advantage all night.

I lost count of how many guys I saw throw arms out in a vague "attempt" at a "tackle", but seriously, there was no real effort or desire in any of those attempts.
I saw guys running behind their man all night, and I mean in attack as well as in defence.
We just don't work hard enough, I'll say it again. No run trying to create space. No protection for the guy with the ball, none of our guys will make the effort to shadow their opponent, and seemingly little desire in defence and tackling.

Special ire reserved for:
Warnock- inneffectual. Some people call him a witches hat, he aint a witches hat, at least most people deviate for a witches hat. He just clogs space. His hitout numbers are an absolute misrepresentation of how well he goes in the ruck,and the rest of his numbers do absolute justice to his impact around the ground. Slightly above average game against Port 2 weeks ago, and against the Tiges last week, highlights of his career at Carlton. Cannot believe we will likely get rid of Hampson to keep this spud.

McInnes- Problem with this guy is that he actually looks like he gives a crap, which probably means skillwise he just isn't up to AFL standard. Seriously, at times he just looks like one of those AusKick kids who is struggling to know where to stand or what to do.

Casboult- Nope. Worst kick I have ever seen at Carlton. From across the other side of the ground I cringed at his ball drop on a kick that sailed over the boundary on the full. He seems very slow to me, and although he has shown an ability to take a mark, he does it far to inconsistenmtly enough. Also shows a lack of awareness and poor positional play.

If we hadn't made finals, I would have said we should delist noth of these guys, however given that bonus of 2 games of finals experience, I think we should keep Casboult on the list one more year, just in case, and get him some intensive coaching in kicking and running in the off season.When he isn't running sprints he should be kicking a ball. McINnes is dead weight and should go back to wherever he came from.

And while I am in the ranting mood... Robbo... Just when he was starting to look like he was starting to have more awareness and more thought entering his game, he pulls out a shocker. Back to his poor, poor disposal. Seriously, you could never knock his courage or effort, but he negates all of that with poor vision and disposal. I think he might be traded if we can find a new home for him.

I feel a bit slack picking out these 4 for sprays, but they are the ones that stood out for me as being particularly poor.
Yarran was his disinterested self too and I am a lot more open to trading him as well after last night, I just know what he is capable of and would hate to see us being hurt by him at some stage.

Quote from: Bennyboy on September 08, 2013, 05:58:44 pm

Gibbs was masssive in that game. 18 contested possessions and 12 clearances.

Belongs in the Midfield.....permenantly