Coaching very average tonight Jim...Laird allowed to sit off the play on his own and rack up the possies.....coaching box needs a shakeup..
That was a disgraceful and quite frankly 'disrespectful' performance by those 21 players out there tonight. They should be ashamed of themselves. 2 wins for the damn year, and they toss that up at the supporters who actually bothered to go and watch them. Bolton should be removed now after 3 100 point defeats in 8 weeks. We need a new coach to take us into a preseason.
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No spin please. It is AFL after all, not an under 16 competition. They beat us 7 goals to 1 with 16 on the ground in the last qtr. Men v boys doesn't cut it. We had enough senior experience out there still to prevent that bit at least. You accept that then you'd accept anything., It's been poor coaching, pure and simple. We have drafted very well and they will be guns but it's useless without a decent coach to get the best out of them as a unit. How can you not take advantage of that situation? Out structures that poor?
That' right Laj, you are totally correct! It's all spin. We are terrible and the appointment of Bolton is ridiculous. Barker too. Lugidice can not see it. I can.
I'll say it again...it's not so much your opinions that you get attacked for because your disappointment and views are shared by a few folk. It's the way you express it.
We're not a great club at present, Bolton may prove not to be a great coach...and the admin... well we're not too sure who they are from day to day at the moment... but putrid is just over the top.
Lods,
here is a definition of 'putrid'
putrid ˈ 1. decaying or rotting and emitting a fetid smell.
2. very unpleasant; repulsive.
I would say both of these definitions are suitable for where we are at a the minute. 1-16?? This is breaking all sort of records for the wrong reason. So is 2-27???
I don't think they can get rid of Bolton unless they all hand in their tickets. They're joined at the hip...although when you look at it.... there aren't many architects of the rebuild left. Whose idea was it anyway
I was never a fan of it (the rebuild) because it is a lie, but i got abused for two years on here for suggesting we are going nowhere under this coach and board etc. Now interestingly, my critics have disappeared under the woodwork. We are a putrid club with a putrid coach and putrid administration. We are an embarrassment and will continue to be until change occurs.
I'm not sure sacking the coach is going to achieve much. We have a terrible list (apart from a handful of class youngsters and a few oldies). Many of thr players are now totally bereft of confidence as the losses continue and we have injuries and poor form to players who should be forming part of the nucleus of the team (eg Weitering, Marchbank). I say we stay the course with Bolton until next year and focus on getting the support staff right (ala Richmond) and of course improve the list.
Watch Bolton's press conference. It was full of lies, excuses, flowery language, gen y feather preening. And you want to keep him? Seriously.
x 2 I've been struggling to find the words...I'll just use yours Baggers.
Clearly we've been "sold a pup" Sadly the snake oil salesmen that sold it seem to be escaping scrutiny. This rebuild strategy may eventually bear fruit but it will take many years longer than we were expected to believe. A club can turn it's fortunes around without cutting to the bone...we did it ourselves at the start of the decade only to balk when it became a little difficult. I actually feel sorry for Bolton, who's looking likely to join the list of coaches whose reputations have been forever tarnished by the phenomenon that is the Carlton Coaching Black Hole.
Finally someone agrees with me. After 3 years, and 3 bannings etc. Sheez.
I read this thread and I question what is the most obvious reason we are where we are right now, long term injuries!
Murphy, Kennedy, Kruezer, McKay, Kerridge, Docherty, Lang, Rowe, Plowman, Garlett, Marchbank, Macreadie, Cuningham, Williamson, Pickett, Philips, Byrne, Casboult, A.Silvagni. That's 19 players who are considered to be in our plans to be top 30 players.
Please explain to me how Carlton, a developing side, can cover this amount of disruption to their list and still be competitive?
Defence - The so called media experts have asked the question how we went from a side who was hard to play & score against to where we are now. I give them;
Docherty - AA HBF, who organises the defense and was an on field coach. Irreplaceable. Williamson - 15 games last season, from a first year player who hopefully would have progressed in his second season no games. Byrne - Supposed to give run off half back with a long penetrating kick, strong body also. No impact Marchbank - Hardly been available with a few injuries through the pre season and ongoing injury in season. Plowman - Was rumoured to be playing injured, but through our lack of options kept going, now out for a month so far. Rowe - Coming off an ACL with limited pre season and looks to have lost what touch he did have. Macreadie - Showed promise as a shut down no nonsense defender, had decent disposal and did not seemed rushed. Again needs some more time but no games A.Silvagni - That senior head down back to give us some toughness, but again crueled by injury.
That's 7 players who if available would have definitely helped and made a real difference. Instead we've had to drop Daisy, Lamb and Jack back while playing duds like Mullet and O'Shea. It's got so bad that we have dropped Murphy to a half back flank to give us good use off HBF. In doing so we lost his run through the middle into HFF.
Midfield;
Murphy - Missed over 50% of games, in a team bereft of experience and quality ball use, now running off half back just so we can get the ball forward of centre. Kennedy - No pre season and then a foot injury that we didn't well at all has robbed him of a successful first year at Carlton. We are just see Matt get his groove now as the season is finished. Kruezer - In and out of the side due to injury, mismanaged and not effective due to playing hurt. Kerridge - A seasoned body to help protect others, not an A grader but a solid B when playing at his best. Lang - Real pace and beautiful skills but again, no pre season and hasn't found form because of it. Cuningham - Would be getting a game with our lack of midfield depth, tried off HB because we had no run but he is a midfielder and is Dow like with his pick ups in traffic. Philips - Saw in the one game what he does for us, I thought he was better than Ryder after he found his game rhythm and would of helped when Kruezer was out or should have been out.
Forwards;
McKay - A few injuries and illnesses have prevented Harry from playing more, plus a bias against him that doesn't seen to apply to others on the list. Garlett - Looked to be a pressure forward in the practise matches but a dislocated should and other minor injuries have stopped him getting the feel back for AFL footy. Pickett - Look at the Hawthorn game last season to see what we missed, his fist game back his pace and skill set up Charlies first two goals but missing half the season to a broken wrist robbed us. Casboult - While 2018 hasn't been his year before injuries Levi is still takes a big defender allowing Charlie to get more one on ones.
This is the reason we are where we are, a team at our level of rebuilding cannot afford to have so many missing pieces and then shuffle players around to fill gaps. I've said before our forward line should have Pickett, Fisher and Garlett in it, getting fed by Levi, Charlie and Harry, instead Fisher is having to play serious midfield minutes with Pickett and Garlett being injured and out of form.
Just by having Docherty, Williamson and Marchbank healthy all season, we win 2/3 of our "honourable losses".
Our side is not broken, we have not got our rebuild wrong as sooo many of the D-Head media say, they look at simply who we have on field, not who we are missing. I have actually stopped streaming SEN (apart from Mahers show) because I've gotten sick of ignorant media performers who have no idea where our list is making uneducated comments on the state of our rebuild.
These are the same people who said that Richmond was a basket case and Hardwick should be sacked just two years ago. That Buckley had to go just last season, now look who the top 2 teams are, so why are we listening to them now?
Stick fat, we don't need to throw this rebuild out, we do need to add some more quality in there, we do need a bit of luck with injury and we need to question the medical department as they have made some very questionable decisions this season. Get Lukocius , no team that has ever traded away the No 1 or 2 pick has won the trade, draft/trade 2/3 mids. We will still get them at 24/28 and maybe a free agent and we will do much better in 2018.
If we can have this set up in 2019 then look for 8-10 wins
Willamson Jones Plowman Marchbank Weitering Docherty
SPS Cripps Murphy Kruezer Kennedy Dow
Lukocius Charlie Fisher Garlett McKay Pickett
Simpson Ed Lang Levi
E - O'Brien, Cuningham, Macreadie
What a load of poppycock! Have a look at other sides injury lists- including GWS. They are worse than ours, and with better players out. I cannot believe you are mentioning that a fit Casboult will make us better. Kerridge a 'B' grader? You are kidding me. Can i please smoke whatever you are on please mate?
Kids love winners and it's been a long time since Carlton was a winner or looked like becoming one. I bought my grandson a guernsey this year, he's too young to understand it but his mum will fill him in, my daughter was just old enough to get involved in the 1995 flag. It's not the kids of rusted on supporters we need to worry about though, it's the kids without a team looking for one to follow. Unless we turn this around sometime soon we will be in serious trouble.
That was disgraceful today. Again I reiterate, nothing changes until the board is gone SOS is gone and Bolton is gone. This is uncarlton like and supporters who put up with it are uncarltonlike.
? This is breaking all sort of records for the wrong reason. So is 2-27???