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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
An interesting observation from the bench cam footage.

Charlie had moved himself into defence late in the last quarter.  Carroll was on the bench and Greaves instructed him to go back on, tell Charlie to go back to the forward line, and ensure that all seven defenders were in defence. 

While Charlie’s ability to go back and pluck a mark in defence has been game saving, our priority was to have the seven defenders working together as a unit and as they have been drilled.

It’s interesting that Aaron Greaves is the bench coach now.

Another side of that same story.

There was on the ground footage of weitering and charlie chatting on the ground (may have been after the siren?)
As best as i can tell from the footage, it looked like Weitering was telling charlie to get out of there and push up the ground. Charlie was giving him a shrug of the shoulders look as in "but i'm just trying to help".

I noted that at the time, without any of the above, which basically confirms what i picked up from the gesticulating on TV.
Was behind the goals on level 2 city end of the ground.

Weitering late in the second was jumping up and down waiving his hands in the air to bring Charlie back into defense for the remaining few mins.

Besides that, happy with what they are doing to change things up.  I think a few mins of swinging Charlie back is warranted at times, if nothing else to keep the opposition guessing.  Do they hold the line?

Do they push a number forward (the second they do, we can tell Charlie to run off, creating a situation where they might have been happier having a loose man behind the ball).

Its good stuff, and im neither here nor there.  A goal resets everything due to the 6.6.6 rules.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
@DJC  its not about giving up, its about seeing all this crap for what it is.

That is, its designed to ellicit a response.  In this day and age, with no footage, and some flaky online articles, not susbstantiated on TV is all you need to consider.

IF you want me to believe it all, I will, but it matters nought what I believe.  The MAGA hat is perhaps the single most useless bit of information out of all this stuff.

Make America Great Again has nothing to do with us, and is as tenuous a link to what happens if you vote red (or in our case blue) as it gets.

You can choose to ignore what’s before your eyes or put any spin on factual reporting if that suits your agenda. 

It is a fact that a 79 year old man wearing a MAGA hat was punched out by a 17 year old boy  after the older fellow knocked over ALP signs at a pre-polling station.  It is also a fact that the 79 year old was hospitalised and the 17 year old is in custody and will appear in the Children’s Court.

A friend of mine has a MAGA and wears it when he wants to take the p1ss.  The 79 year old may have been taking the p1ss too but the fact that he was kicking ALP signs over suggests otherwise.

It’s interesting that you’re focusing on the MAGA hat.  I would have thought that the actions of the 17 year old are more significant.

Similarly, the actions of the Monique Ryan supporter who threw a punch at the right wing protesters are more significant than the protests.

But, yes, it’s all propaganda cooked up by a bunch of conspirators from most of the political parties, independents, so-called eye witnesses, police, the AEC, hospital staff, and the media, both mainstream and social media influencers and podcasters. 
sorry I misread the article.  I thought the kid was the one damaging coreflute and wearing the maga hat based on dodgy reading.

Not really sure what to make of it.  What's the 17 year old worrying about punching an old man for?

My own focus was largely on the other incident Paul was talking about but this is where this stuff becomes flaky for mine.

As for the kid being in custody and an expedited hearing my care factor is low.

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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
@DJC  its not about giving up, its about seeing all this crap for what it is.

That is, its designed to ellicit a response.  In this day and age, with no footage, and some flaky online articles, not susbstantiated on TV is all you need to consider.

IF you want me to believe it all, I will, but it matters nought what I believe.  The MAGA hat is perhaps the single most useless bit of information out of all this stuff.

Make America Great Again has nothing to do with us, and is as tenuous a link to what happens if you vote red (or in our case blue) as it gets.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Your author https://7news.com.au/profile/sarah-keszler

The article, is a one sided report, based on alleged activity, with minimal proof and maximum grandstanding by the very victims.

The AEC encouraged the police to be called for bullying by volunteers.  Are we sure this is what happened?

Here have a more emotive piece:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thepost.sydney/pre-poll-booth-clash-in-cherrybrook-has-police-called/

My instant response is to dismiss this as pure emotive propaganda, and in response to your claim, it's got people up and about online.  So yes, people will be swayed by this.

No, it isn't balanced reporting of events, no its isn't substantiated and who knows what was actually said and done given the behaviour isn't commented on but the reaction is.

I'm confused!

You have quoted two reports of incidents at pre-polling booths.  The incident involving Julian Leeser was reported to the always impartial AEC who notified the police as required under their legislation. 

Here's another article covering three incidents, two at pre-polling booths and one at a campaign rally:

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/assault-intimidation-charges-after-separate-incidents-at-pre-polling-centres/6zvl8958k

In the first incident we have a MAGA supporter (WTF!) interfering with election advertising and being assaulted by a teenager who seems to have been a supporter of the PM.  The teenager was charged and locked up.  Then there's a person behaving aggressively towards Liberal volunteers who was also charged by police.  Finally, a supporter of Independent Monique Ryan threw a punch at right wing protestors who were disrupting Ryan's campaign meeting.

That's pretty well the whole gamut of the political spectrum.  It's reported on mainstream media, not social media.  The police are involved in two incidents and the offenders have been charged.  The reporting is balanced, factual, and certainly not emotive. The incidents are substantiated and there will be consequences ... and they won't make an iota of difference to the election outcomes in the electorates concerned or the overall result.

Strange as it may seem, not everything is a conspiracy, people of all persuasions can behave badly, police don't get involved without good reason, the media can provide accurate, impartial reports, and voting intentions are not swayed by bullying or reports of bullying.
the reports I'm quoting use alleged and encouraged by AEC to call the police and quoting of one side of the story.

Not by reputable journalists, but online news "writers".  Effectively the police were called and the alleged perpetrator was gone and no charges pressed and then apparently people in tears.  What happened though? Bullying is the article.  Call the police if you feel threatened is standard IMHO. 

The seven article and the post article that I and Paul have provided are the same incident at the same polling booth in the same electorate.  Not sure about your confusion but this is where it all misses the mark as the articles I've referenced are refereed to in your sbs article. 

Whatever other maga stuff you've read ive not heard of until you posted it, but watching the news last night there was mud slinging at Monique Ryan and ties to international interference in the election on her behalf by China.

Now I'm not sure why that is, that we get conflicting reports of events about her in particular but applying my theory, the TV news reported her china links whilst here you have SBS going into bat for her.

Reading your article my spider sense is straight to finding the problems with the article.

A 17 year old vandalising coreflute assaulting an old man. Guess what likely happened there.  A knocked over sign and a confrontation and an unstable teen lashing out sounds about right.  Teenager isn't voting age. So a vandal at a polling booth.  Coreflute is likely those a frame signs they put out.  Would vandalising include knocking it over?

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Two people have been charged over incidents at pre-polling booths, including a teenager who seriously injured an elderly man during a tense stand-off in the prime minister's electorate.

The 17-year-old was due to face a children's court on Thursday after allegedly punching the 79-year-old at Ashfield, in Sydney's inner-west, on Wednesday afternoon.

The teenager allegedly punched a 79-year-old man in the face outside a pre-polling centre in the suburb, which falls within Anthony Albanese's electorate of Grayndler.


Is a pre polling centre the same as a early voting center? When did this event occur?  It says Wednesday and due to go to children's court on Thursday...  you get charged and to children's court in 24 hours?  Meh its Wednesday today.  Guess when this happened and it wasn't in the time line insinuated, and I'd argue that it likely isn't politically motivated but here we are today on wednesday discussing it.


This is how propaganda is born. 

It's all plausible enough till you start thinking it through.  The teenager might be up for charges seperate to this incident where he was vandalising and the punch to the 79 year old may have occurred at the same premises before early voting started (or it could have been last week) but the polls only really opened for early voting on the 22nd of April.

Why are we getting the reports now?


Your confusion stems from information overload.  Emotive articles about Julian's electorate with no real information but condemnation of behaviour.  Thats what propaganda does.  It obfuscates and makes you unsure of what happened so you have to drop it all and read the content and skip the alleged details.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)


That its all likely to be grandstanding to sway public opinion. 

Particularly if we are talking volunteers handing out leaflets at a poll booth.

They all spruik their party politics.  Most of the time I ignore everything they say, accept the leaflets and hand them back on the way out.

I left in tears due to the bullying. Pandering to the exact sort of emotion that illicit a vote in that direction against the big bad liberal party.

Don't believe anything you read on social media that has any political connotations.  If this doesn't hit the news at 6pm on tv(and no, social media representing seven news is not the same thing) then it's not likely truthful and is yet another propaganda campaign to influence how people vote.

Propaganda is the number one tool in the method of swaying the population.  Has been for centuries.

Do you really think that volunteers complaining about an over-zealous party volunteer is going to sway public opinion?

Political parties, even the flakey minor parties, are a little more sophisticated than that.

The fact that volunteers from both the ALP and a Teal independent complained and the alleged offender departed before the police arrived suggests that there’s more than a kernel of truth to the story.

Sometimes the media - and this was mainstream rather than social - get the basics right and there’s no need to come up with alternative theories 🙂

Your author https://7news.com.au/profile/sarah-keszler

The article, is a one sided report, based on alleged activity, with minimal proof and maximum grandstanding by the very victims.

The AEC encouraged the police to be called for bullying by volunteers.  Are we sure this is what happened?

Here have a more emotive piece:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thepost.sydney/pre-poll-booth-clash-in-cherrybrook-has-police-called/

My instant response is to dismiss this as pure emotive propaganda, and in response to your claim, it's got people up and about online.  So yes, people will be swayed by this.

No, it isn't balanced reporting of events, no its isn't substantiated and who knows what was actually said and done given the behaviour isn't commented on but the reaction is.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
^^ Seems to be a tactic to make the Liberals look bad.

They left in tears... 

Words are violence these days I suppose.

What has happened to the world we live in?

Confused, 3 Leos. Not sure what you're asserting here and don't want to jump to conclusions. Crying after being bullied is not an unreasonable reaction, or unusual response/reaction... or is that not what you're saying?

That its all likely to be grandstanding to sway public opinion. 

Particularly if we are talking volunteers handing out leaflets at a poll booth.

They all spruik their party politics.  Most of the time I ignore everything they say, accept the leaflets and hand them back on the way out.

I left in tears due to the bullying. Pandering to the exact sort of emotion that illicit a vote in that direction against the big bad liberal party.

Don't believe anything you read on social media that has any political connotations.  If this doesn't hit the news at 6pm on tv(and no, social media representing seven news is not the same thing) then it's not likely truthful and is yet another propaganda campaign to influence how people vote.

Propaganda is the number one tool in the method of swaying the population.  Has been for centuries.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
^^ Seems to be a tactic to make the Liberals look bad.

They left in tears... 

Words are violence these days I suppose.

What has happened to the world we live in?
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Election 2025 (Poll added)
Prices of staples is a stupid, lazy question and is not related to reality for politicians. Doesn't mean they're out of touch.  When it is policy related, that is different.

When they tell me that I will save $1500 a year on fuel excise, I am suspicious: 2 cars. One takes ~45 litres, the other 55. Fill them every 3rd week or so.  100 litres @ $0.25 = $25 saving both tanks. Times 17 weeks = $425. Or: if petrol prices are $1.80 for 91, do they only go down to $1.70, because private companies don't pass on the 25c? And as many enquiries have found out,  there are few controls gov has on petrol prices.


Dodge this is something that got missed, but the price of fuel directly impacts thr supply chain of getting stock on shelves at the supermarkets. 

Fuel down by 25 cents a litre will make a massive difference to every Australian, and will arguably do more to reduce the cost of living than a lot of measures. When you consider this think of all the diesel machines in use.  Roads, diggers, delivery mechanisms.  The energy component of this is being glossed over way too much and not enough credence being given to why things have become a expensive as they are.

Your personal fuel consumption sounds at the lighter end of usage.  The size of your tanks are for small cars by the sounds of things hence why you don't save as much but do the same maths on two cars with 60 litre tanks and filling up once a fortnight instead because they travel more.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
I just read that Harry had facial fractures after that hit.  Took a lot of guts to come out and play like that today.  Still staggered Gross didn't cop a holiday for it.
Yep.  Very good and seems to have turned his mentality around.  Best game H has played for some time, so wouldn't surprise me if his mental health issues have dogged him since 2023.

Re Gross. I can't agree.  Yes he went the bump, but their heads collided by accident.  It wasn't a deliberate high hit, and was more freak occurrence than anything.  If he got suspended for that, its an outcome based suspension not an action based one.  It could happen 100 more times, and Harry wouldn't get hit like that again. 

Dangerfield was more likely to cause issue with his approach to finding off with his forearm to saad, and even he shouldn't get suspended for that (should be a free kick, but thats to deter the action).

Honestly I saw it as a heads coming together and gross could easily have come off second best and this is where by avoiding the bumping and bracing players are not protecting themselves properly.  Harry has a foot and probably 10 kgs on his west coast counterpart and absolutely should have knocked him into next week by bracing but this is the game today.

I saw a few times where we play too nice.  Marking contest.  Punch the footy or punch the back of your opponents hand (really hard) to ensure their fingers start to hurt.  Same with ducking into a tackle.  You get them high, really get them high.  Not dirty, don't knock them out but give the head a good rub so they might actually feel it. 

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 7 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Haynes was very good today.

Not the first time I'll eat humble pie, but credit where it's due, I thought he was a dud pickup and he proved me wrong today.

Particularly his 3rd quarter.  He was huge.

@Gointocarlton i think a turnover and clanger can sometimes be the same stat. 

You'll turn it over and make a clanger and notch up one in each.  A clanger can also be an out on the full, or a short target missed.  A turnover results in the opposition getting the ball, so it's possible he turned it over 3 times short.