Moir has an upside, and obvious AFL level tricks, we shouldn't be burdening him with too many negatives so early in his career.
This time next year would be the time to be more critical.
The U23 category is interesting, because it basically sits on the boundary of who will and who won't.
At 21 it's too early to write many players off, and by the time players are 25 you know if they are going to make it or not. I realise there will be some claim they told us so, "they knew" back when a player was 18 or 20, but that news always arrives retrospectively.
Agreed. It's why I don't understand Binns' delisting.
Someone has to get the chop somewhere.
Once you start having an abundance of players for any one role, and an abundance that can cover them in absence, they need to be a needle mover/difference maker to persist with. Binns was neither, but had some decent attributes, without being an outstanding player.
The fact he hasnt made himself back onto an AFL list is probably the tell that everyone had a similar opinion of him.
there are enough teams that are terrible that even at our worst we wont fall that far.
West Coast will struggle to win games. Melbourne will absolutely slide further. Richmond arent getting good yet, and im pegging another club will slide perhaps on purpose this season, and it wouldn't shock me if it were Collingwood.
Last year we finished 11th with 7 teams below us We lost to 3 of them - Port, Kangas and Tigers We only just beat 2 more of them by 8 points - Bombers and Dees St. Kilda was a 15 point win West Coast was 34 points.
Of those 7, i expect 4 to improve, with just eagles, dees and bombers to stay crap or go backwards.
I'm not expected the 4 above us to get worse - Dogs, Suns, Hawks and Swans, which means you're hoping for a top 6 to go bottom 4, which is a big ask, more likely to be us than them.
BUT......this is why we play the season because we simply don't know.
I think you think our worst is a lot worse than i do.
Im not hoping on others, im simply looking at our potential. We actually have a good bunch of players and havent gone back that far. Sure, last season we didnt cover ourselves in glory, but we absolutely are better than that in my opinion.
Like you say though, this is where we need to play it out. I went through an exercise reviewing the off seasons of pretty much every team and hardly anyone has actually improved their list. Gws and gold coast did, but most others treaded water or went backwards on paper, but the sport isnt played on paper.
Sorry im a fence sitter. My range is, wheels fall off as low as 14th. Things go swimmingly premiership from 2nd to 4th. Things go average, and results not going our way, probably around 8th.
So anywhere other than bottom 4. lol
there are enough teams that are terrible that even at our worst we wont fall that far.
West Coast will struggle to win games. Melbourne will absolutely slide further. Richmond arent getting good yet, and im pegging another club will slide perhaps on purpose this season, and it wouldn't shock me if it were Collingwood.
Sorry im a fence sitter. My range is, wheels fall off as low as 14th. Things go swimmingly premiership from 2nd to 4th. Things go average, and results not going our way, probably around 8th.
Performance or result? You can play poorly and get a result, and you can play well and not get the result.
The two are often correlated but they dont always.
The question i have is, will changes guarantee any outcome other than change?
If we arent expected to win, but fall short against sydney by less than a kick, is it a fail?
Nope not good enough. a loss is a fail simple as that.
Arent you tired of honourable loses?
We were accustomed to accept them in the bolton green shoots years.
this list is not young and while i dont believe its good enough to push the best teams imo we cant just keep accepting mediocrity.
The best teams never do.
last time I got tired of honourable losses we started getting thrashed instead.
For me, the result is an outcome. Only one team can win.
The how they perform is the input.
For you its results. Out or else. I respect that.
I just see it differently. Jurgen klopp coached liverpool from 2015 to 2024. During those 9 years, the team won one premiership. They achieved a lot outside winning those titles. He was beaten to the premiership on no less than 4 occasions by a team that simply got better results and was better resourced. He potentially would tweak a thing or two to try change it if you asked him, but as a fan, he was remarkable as a coach despite not winning it all.
I can see a situation where the coach isnt winning and then retains his position. Its all about how they go about doing their job, and how we are doing.
If the wheels are falling off, then its bad, but if we are competitive but not quite displaying the ability to secure 4 points then he can probably keep the job regardless of results.
Sometimes there's more to it than the end result which is what coaches get judged on.
la la land mate. Its a performance based industry.
While many say its wrong to look too far back when making current day decisions the fact is the supporters members sponsors etc are starved of success and have been very very patient. Most are all tired of all talk all the waiting all the spin. Voss has had a decent block to impress with what many think was a decent list - we had one good (a tad lucky) finals run in his tenure and that is simply not good enough despite the wrath of excuses the Voss believers want to throw up.
Its finals as a min in 2026 or he is gonski.
Performance or result? You can play poorly and get a result, and you can play well and not get the result.
The two are often correlated but they dont always.
The question i have is, will changes guarantee any outcome other than change?
If we arent expected to win, but fall short against sydney by less than a kick, is it a fail?
I can see a situation where the coach isnt winning and then retains his position. Its all about how they go about doing their job, and how we are doing.
If the wheels are falling off, then its bad, but if we are competitive but not quite displaying the ability to secure 4 points then he can probably keep the job regardless of results.
Sometimes there's more to it than the end result which is what coaches get judged on.
Trump Accounts lol. Another piece of political theater. Prices for everything are skyrocketing and wages are in the toilet. Education, healthcare cost of living is sending record numbers into debt, but a few shekels rotting in a bank account will undoubtedly help.
One hand gives f#4k all, and the other hand takes massively.
its right to be cynical. Those accounts will fuel the stock market, but it will be a boon to people. I had the benefit of a family with strong ideals on been miserly with money. We spent infrequently, but enjoyed our lives. Mum encouraged banking and introduced me to it in when I was sub 8 years old. This account will do this for people that potentially dont do this. Its not bad at all, in fact its dead set great particularly as it is the only thing resembling a reverse pension where the populace pay taxes into the next generation, not just borrowing money against them.
While Australia is bucking the trend of falling interest rates in major nations and raising rates Donald Trump has launched "Trump Accounts". What is it and how does it work?..glad you asked...
Every newborn in the USA will receive US$1,000 from the government, deposited into an investment account, with parents acting as custodians until age 18 (all children under 18 can still establish accounts) The money is mandated to be invested in US equity ETFs or index funds. Families, employers and charities can contribute up to US$5,000 per year Accounts are locked until age 18, at which point funds can be used to buy a home, pay for education, or continue saving for retirement. Access to the money may be linked to financial literacy requirements.
Now Im not normally a fan of anything Trump says or does but this isnt a bad idea imo. Taking into account inflation and to make the amount of money significant it will require extra contributions every year but it does have merit in encouraging saving and learning about investments and might get a proportion of the population interested enough to participate in a meaningful manner.
one step further if you want to pay for it, might want to use the resources we effectively sell to foreign global mining and energy companies to fund the scheme too.
I.e. ive heard a company like Santos pays the equivalent of no tax, for resources mined in the ground and sold off at high profit. A country like Norway by contrast protects its people.
Either that or the average punter, needs cash, and is selling their Crypto to get it, hence the fall in value.
There has been multiple multi-million or multi-billion dollar crypto heists just last year alone, why the hell would you trust it? North Korea alone, without the influence of the professional Russian crooks like Evil Corp et. al., is alleged to have racked in nearly US$3B.
Why would you trust investing in anything?
Crypto is as good as any currency lp. Theres also scope for it to increase significantly as its supposedly finite.
Im watching Crypto as a real tell for where the economy. Ive noticed that BitCoin has quitely shed about 30 to 40% of its value in the last 6 months (was trading as high as 180 a coin, and is back to 130 a coin).
Given its effectively a hedge against inflation (a bit like Gold, and Silver) and its falling, you would have to suggest that deflationary actions are at work. NOTE: use it as a guide, not as gospel.
Either that or the average punter, needs cash, and is selling their Crypto to get it, hence the fall in value.
^^ I tend to rely on willy weather more than anything BOM related. Its all driven by the same data. For some reason Willy is better at the winds than BOM is.
