Carlton Supporters Club

This is not new. We've seen this movie over and over for quite some time now.

We've changed the game style, but not what is between the lugholes of our blokes. Same old, same old. You can paint stripes on a donkey and tell it to now run fast and hunt...

Bottom line: we're an embarrassment with no respect from other clubs. We have all the mental grit, resilience and strength of a turnip. But this is of our own making. How come this group is so demoralised that it can only operate when things are going their way... and easy?

Vossy admitted he's a glass half full kind of guy, looking for positives to focus on. All too often those who rely on positive thinking only do so because they're sh*t scared of negatives... reality. Fear based. Confronting fears (negatives) requires courage. Confronting the mindset of what happens to our blokes when pressure and change comes might just reveal the issue(s). We're courageous with our bodies, but not with our minds and hearts. Why?

I reckon there weren't too many Carlton supporters in th stands yesterday who thought when we went 40 odd points up that "We've got this!"
I certainly didn't watching at home.
It's become an expectation for supporters, and it seems the players too that we can't maintain it for four quarters.
What we need more than anything else is a 'circuit breaker' game that shows us all that it isn't inevitable we'll be overrun.
Start well and maintain it for four quarters and change the mindset.
It will happen eventually.
You can't dominate games for periods like we do without there being something there.
It just needs to be unlocked.

North will be under the impression that even if we get out to an early lead they can overrun us...that  expectation may be their undoing.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on Today at 08:10:16 am

Respectfully Micky, how do we know the coaches did nothing to curb the momentum? I know what the players didnt do because that as plain as the nose on my face to see. I saw the player opposed to Kosi at the centre ball up lose touch with him far too easily because he gave him way too much space. I would much rather he gave away the frees for holding than let him stream out. I saw lots of attention to detail by the players missing when the game ramped up. I saw no leadership from the senior players. I  saw players man and ball watching. The above costs you games and careers. The coach also mentioned in the presser about not sticking to roles.

It's a circular argument though isn't it.
Players v Coach

If the players aren't following instructions.
If they're failing to man up.
If the leadership is lacking.
If players aren't sticking to their roles.
Does that not point to a disconnect between players and coach.
What are the consequences?

Does Voss make a statement and drop a couple of high profile players.
What are the consequences of that especially given the increasing pressure that multiple fade-outs have placed on the club?

Maybe best to go down fighting...play the players who show the fight and a bit of mongrel.
So that would be Byrne, Evans and ....
Lord was probably missed but wouldn't have made a huge difference.

It seems to me we have a number of players clearly out of form.
I thought Kemp was terrible yesterday...but he has missed a year of football.
A spell in the VFL may be what he needs just at the moment.
Get him to make a case there for reinstatement.
He's not impacting either forward or back and is a bit in no-man's land in terms of his career.

Cripps is being 'passed by' because of the way the game is being played at present. He looks frustrated. That may resolve if the game settles down as the year progresses, but that doesn't seem to be the case anytime soon.

Young cops plenty of criticism, but he seems to always draw the better forwards...the thinking is probably to free Weitering up as an interceptor but Young suffers in comparison. Young copped it again yesterday and made a couple of poor decisions but also did some good things especially with his marking. It was a mixed bag.
Ideally I'd like to see him play forward and provide the second ruck option. Both O'Keefe and Reidy are not impacting enough. The problem is Harry Dean seemed to hurt himself and Haynes reportedly suffered an injury in the VFL so it might be Lewis stays and stays as a backman.

McKay is getting plenty of ball...but not plenty of goals.
Flynn Young on the other hand, is among the goals in the VFL so maybe gets a game next week.

In short, too many players playing half a game or well below their best football.

Voss has done it again and pushed cripps forward after half time and its hurting us around the ball. Dumb Dumb Dumb

Quote from: Thryleon – on March 27, 2026, 09:53:49 pm

some of our first nations people were slaves.  This country is half built on it.

First Nations people were massacred, exploited, confined to missions and reserves, incarcerated, underpaid or not paid, but they weren’t enslaved.

The closest Australia came to slavery was the blackbirding that brought Melanesians here to work in the cane fields.  It was indentured labour rather than slavery and they were paid a pittance and returned home when their “contract” ended.

Australia wasn’t “half built on slavery”, it was probably closer to three quarters.  Rather than direct slavery, the wealth that drove the development of the pastoral industry and commerce in 19th century Australia was largely derived from the Transatlantic slave trade.  British families that made their money through the slave trade or through slave labour invested in Australia and the other British colonies.

Free PT from Tues in Victoria until the end of April.

Quote from: DJC – on March 27, 2026, 02:59:21 pm

I'm not sure that it's quite so clear cut, and that's why I don't think that a hierarchy is appropriate.

It's estimated that at least 10% and probably as much as 25% of the Scandinavian population were slaves during the Viking age and the vast majority of those captured by the Vikings were sold on to slave traders from the Middle East.  Mitochondrial DNA studies of the Icelandic population indicate that more than 60% of the initial colonising female population were Gaelic and most likely slaves.  Then there's the Arab or Trans-Saharan slave trade that endured from the 7th to the 20th century and involved the enslavement of an estimated 9M Africans in the Middle East.

I don't want to get caught up in this jockeying for pole position in the Suffering F1. I feel quite comfortable with the reading I've done and I'll leave it there. Trying to compete wrt who suffered the most does the cause more harm than good, and ends up a kind of self-cannibalism, that dilutes the message rather than keeping it sharp and focussed.

Whether they named this or something else is of secondary importance. If the final aims of this process are achieved, it creates momentum, precedent and potential for others to follow. Future groups will be able to analyze what worked, what did not etc., and be in a better position as a result. It could also splinter off into related histories, such as our own First Nations peoples, who whilst not enslaved as such, have suffered immensely, certainly deserve a lot more than they have received thus far.

Quote from: Thryleon – on March 27, 2026, 03:36:16 pm

He has a face that you want to punch.

I'm not feeling that