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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Annus horribilis
I listed a few players that would be on overs.

Wilkie
King
Steele
Higgins
Hill
Sinclair
Marshall
Butler
Jones

In terms of front loading they shelled out big bucks for Jake Carlisle way back when and regularly have attracted players over across the journey.

Not sure how much front loading you can achieve when you've thrown money at players repeatedly but I suppose it tracks.

Every player from another club would be on overs.  That doesnt mean their current spend isnt warranted.  Its just not a pittance some make out.

Clubs that make finals get extra bonuses in their cap.  Saints haven't featured more than once in recent years. 

Even the spuds get overs to change clubs. Are the bulldogs paying mccrae or is he on peanuts too?
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Annus horribilis
^^ Even he concedes he cut too deep and set us back a long time.

Thing is judging on his St. Kilda return thus far you would have to put the jury out.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Annus horribilis
SOS is just doing his job. If you barracked for StKilda you would be happy.


Im not sure about that.

Distancing myself from the SOS favourite son at Carlton argument:

1.  Only got the job as he was mates with Ross Lyon.
2.  For all his work at GWS, they only came good once he left.
3.  Brought a bunch of Ex GWS players he drafted to Carlton and they were all pretty ordinary.
4.  Is repeating the pattern of bringing across players he drafted despite paying less for them than he did on draft day.  Would Jack Carroll, Paddy Dow get a game anywhere else?  I suppose they are low risk high reward.  Liam Stocker goes ok. 
5.  Is reaching for players and paying a high price i.e.  Tom De Koning.  What has he done to earn such a price tag (recruiting free agents is good business regardless as it costs you nothing but salary cap).
6.  Is looking after his son and paying him overs for the contract. 

He isnt bad at his job, but Im not sure how chuffed I would be with him, and I think had he not been a silvagni we would likely label him a bit of a failure. 
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Annus horribilis
@Lods...
The conflict was somewhat made up by liddle who got his feelings hurt when he tried to do his own recruitingnof his Richmond mates and sos shot him down.

Other than that I think it could be 'put in a good word for me' that Jack was burdened with.

Honestly, I think the biggest issue is something nobody has suggested yet.

Stephen may have voiced his thoughts on what the club should be doing and what he would do if he was still there.

I expect it to be something like Stephen saying to Jack....
- No way they should be letting go of a-grade talent like martin
- No way they should trade out Mr consistent Kennedy.
- One of the biggest holes they have could be fixed by getting Dan Houston and they let him walk to the pies.
- they've recruited too many small.forwards when they could've got....that guy.

Ultimately a lot.of what he said comes true, jack sees this and loses faith in Austin and co to build a list properly and jumps ship before it sinks further.
what was that again about a lack of recruiting of alternative key position players?  Would it be that potentially we'd recruit an upgrade for Jack?
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Annus horribilis
2012 was by far the year that I have hated the most aside from 2015. 

2015 was the club giving up on football mentally.  At least in 2012, we looked good for the first 3 games before most of our list fell over.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
He's building a cult following.  He scores goals and he kicks the ball and straight.  Puts his head where others wont.  Gets to the ball drop of marking forwards which is what started my man love of him.  Roving to Harry vs GC.  Its an indictment on the rest that I cant think of this happening much and it stands out.  He has pace whilst not express, and isnt scared to tackle a bigger opponent and will halve a contest he won't win.

Thats the Frankie I like.  Not the one that marked inside 50 against Sydney then put it out on the full from a set shot.

Confidence is a wonderful thing. 

The important point.   He's on his last chance and he wont command big dollars.  If its between him, durdin or fogarty who do you play?

Remember the ad?  When he put the ball down moirs throat all i can remember was Fizzed by Frank.

https://youtu.be/oGWa2sFwBro?si=U8MnrtSGaEBx46yQ

Give him a 3 year deal on minimum chips.  He'll take it and he'll reward us when he plays. 
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
People are still minimising Evans?

Did you guys not see the excellent lace out passing, particularly the one down Moir's throat a week or two ago?

Forget the finishing work.  He was a "VFL player" delistee who isnt up to it, and has outshone vastly superior players on game day with his ball use, AND ability to make a good decision in the thick of it.

THAT is why he is being lauded.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon


Going off the Senior list website, we list the following as mids:

Cerra, Smith, Cripps, Acres, Docherty, B Camporeale, Walsh, L, Camporeale, Binns, Hewett, Lord, Cottrell.

From last year, we are missing Kennedy, J Carroll as mids.

IMHO, its not the number of mids we have that is the problem, its been the number of them that have missed significant footy this season and then that makes your argument of why they join the midfield rotation.  In at least one case, they have putrid form playing forward, and are going on ball as a consequence (motlop).

Sorry, i should've been more specific. Mids, not wingers.....and AFL ready mids....not really 1st year players.

Doc is obviously retired.
Acres and Cottrell (and Lucas) are wingers....and i'd add Binns to that. How many center bounces do they attend?

I don't want to get into a whole list management discussion in here. Just highlighting are small forwards play there due to lack of other options....and an abundance of them.
yes, but weve used mids on the wing more often than weve used wingers as mids, and our forward brigade are playing high half forward/wing more than attending centre bounce so that kyboshes one of your arguments.

@Djc jack martin wasn't a player for us anyway.  Cunningham was varying degrees of the same and if anyone is mounting an argument for afl capable mids then weve effectively only lost one from last season based on games played (kennedy).  Jack Carroll played mainly forward pocket/high half forward and has zero defensive side to his game.  Weve discarded a lot of players lately but Kennedy aside none have fired a shot at afl level until martin at Geelong and even he's been a small sample size.

That also kyboshes the forwards playing midfield argument
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon


You can’t have too many small forwards … when they’re part of the midfield rotations and playing the high half forward role.

Chicken and egg.

Are they part of the midfield rotation because we pick them as midfielders
or
Do they play in the midfield because we can't play 8 of them in the forward line at the same time?

I appreciate the ability of small forward types to be able to run through the midfield when given the chance....Eddie Betts nearly won us a game against Saints when we were tanking with Ratten after Pagan got sacked. He got 2 clearances and set up 2 goals in the space of a couple minutes when thrown into the middle in the last 5 minutes of a game to get us within a goal or 2.
Then we promptly moved him out again.

It has its place.

But i'm not sure we have enough pure midfielders to do anything else.
Cripps, Hewett, Cerra, Walsh and Lord would be our top 5 mids. Who is our 6th? (excluding Jagga who's been unavailable)

We have more small/medium forwards than we do mids!

Going off the Senior list website, we list the following as mids:

Cerra, Smith, Cripps, Acres, Docherty, B Camporeale, Walsh, L, Camporeale, Binns, Hewett, Lord, Cottrell.

From last year, we are missing Kennedy, J Carroll as mids.

IMHO, its not the number of mids we have that is the problem, its been the number of them that have missed significant footy this season and then that makes your argument of why they join the midfield rotation.  In at least one case, they have putrid form playing forward, and are going on ball as a consequence (motlop).
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 24 2025 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Essendon
Word is Carroll out with illness, Gov in.......
If this is the case, I am convinced that we have been attempting to balance our younger players with experience and not just throw them to the wolves.  This is the first generation of kids we have done this with that I can think of in recent memory and Im chuffed that we are finally at a place, where we arent just dropping kids into a team that is short on experience. 

I am confident that this has been somewhat deliberate, (albeit reactively) as the season has worn on, as we seem to be trying to keep our players under 30 games to a minimum.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: VFL Rd 21 2025 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Too much left to too few.  Guys have continued plugging away, binns and campo have positioned themselves well defensively at times but when its one way traffic its one way traffic.

Lemmey has done the odd good thing.  Hollands and Fantasia probably our besr afl listed players.  Cincotta involved a lot in play but not getting near the footy.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: VFL Rd 21 2025 Carlton vs Footscray at Footscray
Dogs are sitting 2nd in the vfl, haven't lost since round 8.

We are being smashed by their afl listed players, our vfl listed players are amongst our best performers and therein lies why we arent going to get close to beating them.  Liam Jones, khamis and treloar doing the damage for them.  Our best contain Ethan Phillips, ferronato, Hogg. 

Cincotta doing some hard work defensively, and hollands busy but not impactful.