Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: DJC – on May 01, 2025, 10:36:09 am

An interesting observation from the bench cam footage.

Charlie had moved himself into defence late in the last quarter.  Carroll was on the bench and Greaves instructed him to go back on, tell Charlie to go back to the forward line, and ensure that all seven defenders were in defence. 

While Charlie’s ability to go back and pluck a mark in defence has been game saving, our priority was to have the seven defenders working together as a unit and as they have been drilled.

It’s interesting that Aaron Greaves is the bench coach now.

Another side of that same story.

There was on the ground footage of weitering and charlie chatting on the ground (may have been after the siren?)
As best as i can tell from the footage, it looked like Weitering was telling charlie to get out of there and push up the ground. Charlie was giving him a shrug of the shoulders look as in "but i'm just trying to help".

I noted that at the time, without any of the above, which basically confirms what i picked up from the gesticulating on TV.

Quote from: Thryleon – on April 30, 2025, 02:57:10 pm

@DJC  its not about giving up, its about seeing all this crap for what it is.

That is, its designed to ellicit a response.  In this day and age, with no footage, and some flaky online articles, not susbstantiated on TV is all you need to consider.

IF you want me to believe it all, I will, but it matters nought what I believe.  The MAGA hat is perhaps the single most useless bit of information out of all this stuff.

Make America Great Again has nothing to do with us, and is as tenuous a link to what happens if you vote red (or in our case blue) as it gets.

You can choose to ignore what’s before your eyes or put any spin on factual reporting if that suits your agenda. 

It is a fact that a 79 year old man wearing a MAGA hat was punched out by a 17 year old boy  after the older fellow knocked over ALP signs at a pre-polling station.  It is also a fact that the 79 year old was hospitalised and the 17 year old is in custody and will appear in the Children’s Court.

A friend of mine has a MAGA and wears it when he wants to take the p1ss.  The 79 year old may have been taking the p1ss too but the fact that he was kicking ALP signs over suggests otherwise.

It’s interesting that you’re focusing on the MAGA hat.  I would have thought that the actions of the 17 year old are more significant.

Similarly, the actions of the Monique Ryan supporter who threw a punch at the right wing protesters are more significant than the protests.

But, yes, it’s all propaganda cooked up by a bunch of conspirators from most of the political parties, independents, so-called eye witnesses, police, the AEC, hospital staff, and the media, both mainstream and social media influencers and podcasters. 

Quote from: Thryleon – on April 29, 2025, 11:22:32 pm

Your author https://7news.com.au/profile/sarah-keszler

The article, is a one sided report, based on alleged activity, with minimal proof and maximum grandstanding by the very victims.

The AEC encouraged the police to be called for bullying by volunteers.  Are we sure this is what happened?

Here have a more emotive piece:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thepost.sydney/pre-poll-booth-clash-in-cherrybrook-has-police-called/

My instant response is to dismiss this as pure emotive propaganda, and in response to your claim, it's got people up and about online.  So yes, people will be swayed by this.

No, it isn't balanced reporting of events, no its isn't substantiated and who knows what was actually said and done given the behaviour isn't commented on but the reaction is.

I'm confused!

You have quoted two reports of incidents at pre-polling booths.  The incident involving Julian Leeser was reported to the always impartial AEC who notified the police as required under their legislation. 

Here's another article covering three incidents, two at pre-polling booths and one at a campaign rally:

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/assault-intimidation-charges-after-separate-incidents-at-pre-polling-centres/6zvl8958k

In the first incident we have a MAGA supporter (WTF!) interfering with election advertising and being assaulted by a teenager who seems to have been a supporter of the PM.  The teenager was charged and locked up.  Then there's a person behaving aggressively towards Liberal volunteers who was also charged by police.  Finally, a supporter of Independent Monique Ryan threw a punch at right wing protestors who were disrupting Ryan's campaign meeting.

That's pretty well the whole gamut of the political spectrum.  It's reported on mainstream media, not social media.  The police are involved in two incidents and the offenders have been charged.  The reporting is balanced, factual, and certainly not emotive. The incidents are substantiated and there will be consequences ... and they won't make an iota of difference to the election outcomes in the electorates concerned or the overall result.

Strange as it may seem, not everything is a conspiracy, people of all persuasions can behave badly, police don't get involved without good reason, the media can provide accurate, impartial reports, and voting intentions are not swayed by bullying or reports of bullying.

Two people have been charged over incidents at pre-polling booths, including a teenager who seriously injured an elderly man during a tense stand-off in the prime minister's electorate.

The 17-year-old was due to face a children's court on Thursday after allegedly punching the 79-year-old at Ashfield, in Sydney's inner-west, on Wednesday afternoon.

The teenager allegedly punched a 79-year-old man in the face outside a pre-polling centre in the suburb, which falls within Anthony Albanese's electorate of Grayndler.

Quote from: Thryleon – on April 29, 2025, 07:23:51 pm

That its all likely to be grandstanding to sway public opinion. 

Particularly if we are talking volunteers handing out leaflets at a poll booth.

They all spruik their party politics.  Most of the time I ignore everything they say, accept the leaflets and hand them back on the way out.

I left in tears due to the bullying. Pandering to the exact sort of emotion that illicit a vote in that direction against the big bad liberal party.

Don't believe anything you read on social media that has any political connotations.  If this doesn't hit the news at 6pm on tv(and no, social media representing seven news is not the same thing) then it's not likely truthful and is yet another propaganda campaign to influence how people vote.

Propaganda is the number one tool in the method of swaying the population.  Has been for centuries.

Do you really think that volunteers complaining about an over-zealous party volunteer is going to sway public opinion?

Political parties, even the flakey minor parties, are a little more sophisticated than that.

The fact that volunteers from both the ALP and a Teal independent complained and the alleged offender departed before the police arrived suggests that there’s more than a kernel of truth to the story.

Sometimes the media - and this was mainstream rather than social - get the basics right and there’s no need to come up with alternative theories 🙂

Quote from: Thryleon – on April 29, 2025, 05:02:46 pm

^^ Seems to be a tactic to make the Liberals look bad.

They left in tears... 

Words are violence these days I suppose.

What has happened to the world we live in?

Confused, 3 Leos. Not sure what you're asserting here and don't want to jump to conclusions. Crying after being bullied is not an unreasonable reaction, or unusual response/reaction... or is that not what you're saying?

Prices of staples is a stupid, lazy question and is not related to reality for politicians. Doesn't mean they're out of touch.  When it is policy related, that is different.

When they tell me that I will save $1500 a year on fuel excise, I am suspicious: 2 cars. One takes ~45 litres, the other 55. Fill them every 3rd week or so.  100 litres @ $0.25 = $25 saving both tanks. Times 17 weeks = $425. Or: if petrol prices are $1.80 for 91, do they only go down to $1.70, because private companies don't pass on the 25c? And as many enquiries have found out,  there are few controls gov has on petrol prices.

I just read that Harry had facial fractures after that hit.  Took a lot of guts to come out and play like that today.  Still staggered Gross didn't cop a holiday for it.