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The Sports Desk / Re: Formula 1
Interestingly post race Leclerc who was the big victim of the incident come out and slammed the stewards saying they were completely wrong to penalise Piastri, he stated Antonelli contributed to the collision by turning in on Piastri.
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The Sports Desk / Re: Formula 1
Quote from: kruddler – on
It was going to be harsh no matter which way the stars went with it.

Had oscar qualified better, he wouldn't have been so desperate to make the move when he did, not that it was desperate, but he was on the edge and ultimately just over it with the lockup.
Yes, but why would stewards penalise this now, they haven't applied such a penalty to a racing incident all season.

I understand when the stewards apply penalties to people crossing the line or making dangerous moves, but actually in this case they were all still on what is legally deemed the track and nobody really broke any rules, you could equally argue Antonelli failed to leave a car width. All season this type of event has been deemed a racing incident.

Is what happened between Piastri and Antonelli any more than what Norris did to Piastri, it's just luck nobody was on the other side of Piastri a couple of weeks back?
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The Sports Desk / Re: Formula 1
Bit sad about what is happening to Piastri, but with Webber as his manager he is well he situated to navigate the disappointment, Webber has been there done that.

By the standards of F1 he had the corner, sure his front left locked but he didn't lose steering or control of the car, he was decelerating and taking the apex before the opponent runed into him. It's no different to driving over the ripple strip that they do a thousand times a race. The 10s penalty was a bit steep when you consider what Norris did to Piastri without penalty just a race or two back, politics again? :o

Nobody stated F1 has to be fair, it's a sport governed by dollars not morality, in this regard Australia will always find itself at the back of the queue. Not just Australia or course, have a look at what is happening to Lawson relative to Tsundo, RBR replaced Lawson with Tsundo who promptly took the car backwards through the grid at light speed, yet it somehow seems it is still Lawson's fault. A lowly New Zealander, even worse than an Aussie!
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW Elimination Final 2025 Carlton vs West Coast
Quote from: DJC – on
I reckon Ronnie could be a tad faster than Frankie  :)
Maybe not, but I think it's Ronnie's agility that sets her apart not so much pure pace.

Erone is quick, there are others in the same league, but she can change direction without seeming to slow and that is a real trick. To me that is Reece Walsh or Ryan Papenhuyzen like (before the leg injuries), and that is genuinely rare. Most fall over their own feet trying to do the same!
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW Elimination Final 2025 Carlton vs West Coast
It'll be interesting to see the stats post game, but I'd expect that Vescio will be a stand out for contested possessions and efficiency, experience matters in tough conditions.

Having a few Irish girls probably makes a big difference in the otherwise chilly conditions! ;D
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Every time RedTrump greases his own palm he hurts people on all sides of politics, nobody is safe or immune, whether you are his neighbour or someone on the opposite side of the globe.

There is an inevitability about the cumulative effects of his behaviour.

The only thing that is certain, if you are not RedTrump you are or will eventually be collateral damage.

In my own circle I have friends and family that are bureaucrats or politicians who work in areas like health, finance, transport or infrastructure, for work I have to attend mining, military or industrial conferences, the feeling of lost security as you enter offices, buildings and conference centres is palpable even for passing pedestrians!
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The Sports Desk / Re: Melbourne Storm
Quote from: Lods – on
Probably selling it a bit short ;)  :D

https://www.sportingnews.com/au/rugby-league/news/pacific-championships-2025-full-squad-lists-latest-team-news/059e59fb94d25defa27f9e58
Maybe but maybe not, I'd put it in the same relative interest as the AFL's own version of origin.

The players might have some interest, but the fans would rather that their heroes didn't, and this will be no clearer than the to the Storm fans today and EK has potentially been ruled out of 2026 with a brain bleed.
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The Sports Desk / Re: Melbourne Storm
The Pacific Championship is the NRL equivalent of backyard cricket, it's a mostly worthless competition that attracts only parochial support.
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW Elimination Final 2025 Carlton vs West Coast
The AFL have sort of exposed the folly of the small / short AFLW competition with a number of clubs playing each other in consecutive weeks, it's time for the AFL to get serious about managing the AFLW and not just leave the competition in free fall.
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW 2025 Season
A work associate went to the Hawks / Norp game Friday night, he tells me he was astounded by the support for Norp, almost more than he has seen at some of the AFL team's games. He said for a Dawks home game the Norp fans probably outnumbered them 3 to 1.

 No surprise then they are doing so well.

I suppose for Norp they must look pretty good if they are pulling crowds that are a comparable fraction of the men.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Quote from: PaulP – on
You have one disadvantaged group whose health outcomes are improved because of this policy, and other advantaged groups whose health outcomes are the same as a result of this policy.
I don't think anyone is genuinely disadvantaged, but I also fear the reason for the change is not really a reason at all!

If we first subset the health study by alcoholics, then subset the alcoholics by ethnicity, we will see biases appear but they aren't or may not be genuine biases as they are created by the selection of categories. If you remove the alcoholism from the figures and present the remaining data you have manufactured a bias that appears social or racist.

However, it could be argued if you swiftly promote someone to admission who you cannot yet begin treating, you will potentially be consuming a bed waiting for the opportunity to treat. In this case maybe someone is disadvantaged, but at the bare minimum you have created waste and inefficiency.

I would think in a resource stretched system the case for the "good of the many" suggests greater throughput.

I could be even more cynical, and suggest administrators see this as a way of getting increased funding, they need more resources to maintain or improvement treatment levels in the face of a "systematic bias"! ;) The Admins certainly know politicians won't make decisions that negatively impact their constituency.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Quote from: DJC – on
LP, you know that I worked in Indigenous affairs for over 30 years and that's not how the system works.  For a start, what "Federal benefits" would they be claiming?  With some exceptions, like Abstudy, Indigenous Australians access the same Centrelink payments as everyone else.  Skimming Centrelink payments wouldn't be a very lucrative form of blackmail.

In my experience, the mob is very quick to expose anyone who falsely claims to be Indigenous.  For example, see Michael Mansell's rejection of Bruce Pascoe's claim of Tasmanian Aboriginal ancestry: https://tasmaniantimes.com/2020/01/bruce-pascoe-is-not-aboriginal/
Yes, I understand all this, and I do not want to hijack this debate. My point is more about the elimination of subjectivity in the assessment, not whether or not it is actually needed.

Quote from: madbluboy – on
If St Vincent's were making indigenous wait 3 times longer because they're indigenous then they should be shut down.
On the specific issue, like the St Vincent's study, there are stats and then there are damn stats and lies, which feeds back into my doubts. You can take the numbers and make them say whatever you want through flexible categorisation or cherry-picking categories that paint a picture towards your desired conclusion.

For example, I was made aware was one of the key reasons for waiting for treatment in general is alcohol abuse preventing immediate treatment. So if you have a small subset that is categorised differently because of the choice of category they will show up strongly despite there being no embedded systematic discrimination. The root of the problem is then not really the system, but the social driver that causes alcoholism. So if the group you analyse has a higher percentage representation in terms of presenting under the influence of alcohol they will show up strongly.

Alcohol is a great example because some ethic groups present with a greater percentage allergic to alcohol, if you analyse treatments that delayed or denied due to alcohol allergy, without listing the alcohol allergy as a cause, the numbers will show up as Asians being discriminated against.

Like most stats, the problems are not the numbers, but how the numbers get interpreted, the conclusions drawn and the politics. The sad thing is that the politicians and media know this, they just choose not to communicate it because clear explanations do not rate.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Quote from: DJC – on
It is the point though because hospitals have taken steps to address a failure to care for a small and vulnerable cohort without any negative impacts on the care provided to everyone else.
The only concern I have over this is the question of who is indigenous.

In my direct personal experience, I know of people claiming Federal benefits because the local mob declared them as members of the  mob, despite not have a drop of indigenous heritage. Then another segment of the same mob use access to those benefits as a form of blackmail, skimming "a donation" of the top in return for silence.

If we leave the classification of such matters to hearsay and opinion, the dark side of humanity will prevail, it has to be more formal.