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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
Was the article peer reviewed?  :P
Very funny. ;D

But more seriously, in case someone thinks you made a valid point, editorials are not peer reviewed because they are opinion and commentary, they can be debated but that is not peer review. If an editorial references scientific papers, then those reference papers should be peer reviewed, commenting on papers that are yet to be reviewed is like commenting on a mirage.

Scientific papers that contain hypothesis, theory and scientific finding are peer reviewed because they are meant to contain testable claims. Many good quality papers typically offer ways to put the hypothesis to the test, and very rarely if ever do they make claims of certainty.

When an alleged scientific paper makes claims that aren't testable you know it's probably bogus. Like fool who told the world MMR vaccine caused Down Syndrome, what a jerk, can you think of others? The scientific papers in response made testable claims that the MMR vaccine was safe, they didn't argue the jerks false claims because it's impossible to prove a negative, they just let you infer from the testable evidence that the jerk was a jerk.

Scientific papers might never offer certainty about the subject matter, but they often rule out assertions that obviously cannot be true.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
I don't know about the validity of the various fixes being proposed, but the headlines claiming peer review is diminished are true for a variety of reasons.

What's not true are the claims that science is broken because peer review is broken.

The real situation is that peer review is actively under attack by those trying to assert that science is broken, they frame science like a religion. But science has no component of faith. Those with influence are using restriction of funding to try and influence or restrict peer review and careers, to the point people are reluctant to review because of retribution.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Thats part of what I said, yep its all Democratic but thats not what Shawny was arguing imho, Allan didnt enter the election as Premier and as I suggested a lot of voters often vote for the personalities/leaders rather than knowing too much about the policies.
If Andrews had lost his seat, we'd have a Premier nobody voted for because nobody votes for the Premier, regardless of which party forms power.

An interpretation of the wider meaning of a debate is fine, but it doesn't mean those getting involved can't be free to highlight factual errors. Taking offense isn't a defence for being called out for posting stuff that is blatantly incorrect, and the poster is not a victim of bullying or under a personal attack, such claims are just diversionary, an attempt to avoid debate.

If people do not debate stuff, it usually means they have no opinion, or no basis for an informed opinion, not that the point being ignored is right or wrong, non-debate is a neutral stance. It's completely counterfactual for some to claim that a point ignored is proof of validity.

Further, on the issue of the state politics, it's fine to talk about the mistakes, mismanagement and morality, but stick to the facts which are more than enough to debate without slathering it in a veneer of bullsh1t! As Paul Keating would say, there is no need to paint the turd, it's clearly already an obvious turd!
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
How are you and others being tolerant of Shawny's views? This thread was created to mock him.
I understand this thread was created to enable @shawny to post his political views here without cross posting on pretty much every thread. No different to the RedTrump thread, or the EV thread, they are nothing more than a filing cabinet? But even so, that doesn't give license to anyone to post fake news or false claims without opportunity for others to redress.

So how are we being intolerant?
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The Sports Desk / Re: Track and Field
Then there's the fact that it will be Gout Gout's last World U/20 but he should be at the peak of his powers at the next Commonwealth Games ... and his team have always been very selective/conservative with his development.
Yes, it reminds me of the 90s era video games which have you collect all sorts of sh1zen along the journey, if you are to succeed you can't miss even a tiny bit, you have to hover up everything along the way.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Jess Allan well ahead in the preferred Premier polls according to the Herald Sun and I can see the Libs being tempted to do that preference deal with One Nation.

Won't matter much with debt soaring and the future bleak for Victorian's it's a Poison Chalice for who ever wins.
Yes, it will be intersting to see if Allan can make the glitter stick, at the moment she is travelling on a promise of potential.

Regarding infrastructure and budget, those of us old enough might recall hearing so much of the same rhetoric when the West Gate Bridge was built, and when it was rebuilt, but decades on now many of the same claim it is now indispensible critical infrastructure and makes the tunnel redundant. The problem here is that critics live in the now and the past, and have no genuine regard for the real future as Melbourne grows, despite all the mainstream media argy bargy Vic is continuing to grow faster than any other state, that infrastructure duplication will be needed, as will the train loop, and maybe more as well. Many local councils are projecting population growth of 50% by 2050, none are projecting contraction, ignore what News Ltd and Faceplant tell you as they speak bullsh1zen. If things are as they seem, the next big infrastructure spend must be water and water recycling, they have no choice but to start very very soon, it'll make the desalination plant look cheap. For reference, I've heard it stated for a 100% growth in population, you need a 500% growth in water, assuming all other things like weather, water quality and food are to remain equal.

Does anyone really think that for example cities like Paris or London paid for the train loops in advance, and that they aren't still paying?

But what's the real issue here, the personal issue, the thing that affects those doing the complaining? Do they genuinely think no tunnel, train loops or other infrastructure will make houses, rents and food cheaper? What's the connection?
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
It's interesting to read about Jeff Kennett calling for an alliance between the Liberals and One Nation, I'd assert the polls are a tad selective to say the least. Kennett is happy to sell the soul of his former party for a dying shot at power. It's an interesting debate of means and ends.

For what it is worth, in Victoria at least, One Nation has become a trove for hard right fundamentalist Christian lobbyists. People who at times can be even scarier than the Neo Nazis that hide among them, perhaps not in violent extremism but at least in oppression, intolerance and persecution. Lobbyists who think racism, homophobia and bigotry are justified by God. They are the other side of the extremist coin to radical Muslim, and my signature line says it all.
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The Sports Desk / Re: Track and Field

I get that this will be Gout Gout’s last opportunity to compete as a junior but it shows how much the Commonwealth Games have slipped as an elite competition.
Is there perhaps some reality versus perception?

If his management thought he might not fare so well in the Commonwealth Games they would probably want him to choose a path to maximise the longevity of his potential. Will he dominate u20?

There are many climbers who never quite reach the summit but are nether the less successful in the attempts! ;)
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
I clearly state when I am discussing perceptions and appearances versus reality, matters of subjectivity versus objectivity. We can laugh and joke about matters of footy, it's conspiracies, agency and perceptions of bias, but they are meaningless like the dribble on a footy panel show.

However, a town crier like approach to spreading lies and misdirection about real world politics and society is destructive and not a valid basis for argument, it is anarchistic in this thread and any other perspective.

Some might be offended by my call for those afflicted by distortions of reality to seek assistance, but it's a genuine call, we can't tell from the words who is taking the piss, who is a troll or who is genuine.

Those on this destructive type of path as a minimum hurt themself, but often also hurt others along the way, especially those impressionable. The same mechanism that leads youth to idolise nutters and radicals, words are as contributive to the youth crime epidemic as any drug dealer, words led to Desi, et al.. Hanson's version of democracy comes at a very high price to society, as the USA is finding out about RedTrump, and it starts with a loud false claim of systematic fraud or misrepresentation.

This is an open tolerant forum, far more tolerant to open debate than most, and one of the reasons we prefer it over so many others, people can spread conspiracies and fantasies within reason and shouldn't be offended when others may call them out for doing so.

Australia is not an autocracy, unlike some high profile regions, we actually do have freedom of speech.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
@Shawny My concerns are genuine, you are on a self-destructive course fueled by social media fantasies, false claims and errors in fact. What if any valid points you make are lost in a blanket of subterfuge. Fantasies which you defend vigorously. It's a sign you're heading towards becoming the next Desi or Richard, and that is why my concerns are genuine. I've seen others go down this path, it never ends well.

People won't debate fantasy because those who profligate fantasy just grow the fantasy and bend it to suit perceptions and ignore or abuse those who often have done nothing more than offer reality as a measure of fact or fantasy. Even as the fantasies become more fantastical, the facts remain the same.

I can't or won't debate fantasies, but I'm free to never hesitate in pointing out errors, false claims or outright lies, which can be done with simple rudimentary facts.

Australian Government, Federal and State, is elected under the Westminster System. A system built on transparency, accountability and legality, even those matters held in camera area available to the review and debate of their peers, As such our political leaders are not autocrats, and they have no means of becoming autocratic. They answer to the public, they are elected by the public, and their political parties live and die by their performance. These are hard facts, not fantasy.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments

Thread about a past player?

The post you replied to was originally relating to the 15Billion debarkle and then shifted to whos names appear on voting papers, hence the reference to off topic.

i get its a specialty of those who cant keep on the topic of local matters when it doesnt suit their political views.

Its there for all to see 🤓
You're disingenuous, basically projecting your own behaviour, except as a tactic you are rubbish at it.

Everyone engaged in the Peter Dean bashing thread and this thread knows you're making a goose of yourself. What we don't know if it's you being deliberate to cross post and wind people up, or if you are just genuinely naive, chaotic and erratic.

But the more you post it becomes clearer and clearer you have little to say that is worth reading, you're painting yourself as either a rock thrower, sufferer of Dunning Kruger syndrome or genuinely detached from reality.

Don't go postal, get help, you genuinely need help I'm not joking.

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The Sports Desk / Re: God help me - the Cricket thread
The blokes clinging to their spot play safe and as a result they won't get us a win, they play safe because they know those welded into the squad are safe no matter what happens!