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From Jillian Segal's Envoy report:
2.1 From October 2023 to September 2024, antisemitic incidents surged by 316%, with over 2,000 cases reported – threats, assaults, vandalism and intimidation. In October and November 2023 alone, episodes increased over 700% compared to the previous year, reflecting incitement by those with extremist views and misinformation in the media and online. These figures exclude much of the hate online, where antisemitism has exploded. Notable incidents include the firebombing of Melbourne’s Adass Israel Synagogue, firebombing of a childcare centre adjacent to a Synagogue and school, firebombing of cars in residential areas and the repeated targeting with graffiti of Jewish schools and places of worship. In February 2025, ASIO Director General Mike Burgess declared antisemitism Australia’s leading threat to life.

Clearly the Government, ASIO, the AFP have had the information but Albanese has refused to act and protect Jewish citizens in this country.Think I read that 70% of Jews in Australia vote Liberal which isnt unexpected and thats probably going to spiral upwards after recent events. Its been clear that the ALP and the Greens are anti Israel and pro Palestinian, so Albanese has been in no hurry to act until now of course when under the media and world spotlight. 50% of Jews left Nazi Germany pre war so it will be interesting to see if we get a significant exit from Australia now its unsafe for them. 

From Jillian Segal's Envoy report:
2.1 From October 2023 to September 2024, antisemitic incidents surged by 316%, with over 2,000 cases reported – threats, assaults, vandalism and intimidation. In October and November 2023 alone, episodes increased over 700% compared to the previous year, reflecting incitement by those with extremist views and misinformation in the media and online. These figures exclude much of the hate online, where antisemitism has exploded. Notable incidents include the firebombing of Melbourne’s Adass Israel Synagogue, firebombing of a childcare centre adjacent to a Synagogue and school, firebombing of cars in residential areas and the repeated targeting with graffiti of Jewish schools and places of worship. In February 2025, ASIO Director General Mike Burgess declared antisemitism Australia’s leading threat to life.

Clearly the Government, ASIO, the AFP have had the information but Albanese has refused to act and protect Jewish citizens in this country.Think I read that 70% of Jews in Australia vote Liberal which isnt unexpected and thats probably going to spiral upwards after recent events. Its been clear that the ALP and the Greens are anti Israel and pro Palestinian, so Albanese has been in no hurry to act until now of course when under the media and world spotlight. 50% of Jews left Nazi Germany pre war so it will be interesting to see if we get a significant exit from Australia now its unsafe for them. 

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on December 23, 2025, 11:23:19 pm

Wny Baggers? Is it not the Government's and its Authorities/Agencies job to keep Australians safe? As you say, this isn't a new problem that came about last week and many jewish members of the public have been saying this would  happen and it has (on the current PM's watch). If I was being sceptical, I'd suggest that the law enforcement and intelligence agencies appear to pick and choose went to use intel to foil crimes.

I was referring to the political point scoring, GTC.

On the subject of leadership and dealing with terrorism, I reckon you're right... Aussies, regardless of religion, political persuasion, gender or hair colour! have a right to feel safe in their own country (as do Ukrainians, Jews and Palestinians!!). This Bondi horror happened on Albo's watch so he's copping in the neck but this is a failure of leadership over many years - addressing antisemitism and facing the reality that terrorists reside here and are planning horrors right now.

You can bet that ASIO and the AFP, in particular, will up their games now.

Quote from: PaulP – on December 23, 2025, 05:45:37 pm

I would never in a million years blame Howard or Tony Rundle for Port Arthur. Seems like a flimsy logic and a poor argument.

It is embarrassing that so-called leaders apportion blame to the incumbent PM.

Holy mackerel this is a problem that goes back decades and centuries, FFS. Need I say that the shallowness and opportunism of some is breathtaking... and vulgar. (and Baggers steps down from his soapbox).

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on December 23, 2025, 07:00:09 pm

TDK aside, the others all had to go. Curnow's attidude stunk the joint up, SOS wanted a pay and Daddy was waiting to give it to him (probably to help out with legal fees). Doc and Orazio were finished, Durdin is injury prone, Lemmey lacked the drive to be an AFL player, Binns is a VFL player, Hollands needed a kick in the ass and I do he wins another crack. Ive heard Cincotta's hip was a lot worse than was made out. White is unlucky but his position is overstocked.
I think we are better structurally with the ins.

GTC old son, I've said it before and I'll say it again... you have an ability to carve it to the bone. Spot on.

Yep, we are structurally better with the ins... but the proof of the pudding still remains in the eating. Bring on 2026.

In the draft and trading period, Silvagni, TDK, Durdin and Curnow left, Docherty retired and Fantasia, Binns, Lemmey and Cinotta were delisted as well as either E.Hollands or White. This means ten players went out of the playing list and they were replaced by Ainsworth, Florent, Hayward, Reidy and Chesser, with Dean, Ison and Byrne Drafted. On top of this Smith and Newman were unavailable due to injury and are available this season.
The question is, "Are the ten players who are available this year better than than ten players who have left?" To my mind at the top end, losing TDK and Curnow will be a loss, but overall I think this year's list is in better shape than what it was last year. What we won't know until the season starts proper is who has improved, who has dropped off and what injuries we ill have.
I think we did alright  in this years draft and trade period considering the hand we were dealt, And at this point of time we have ,our draft capital available for next year is greater what we would normally be entitled to. This the first time I can remember this happening. In the past we have always traded away future draft picks so next year we will be in a position to make a real charge at the draft.
The challenge for us is to get out of that dead zone of finishing seventh to twelfth.

Quote from: Lods – on December 23, 2025, 01:34:49 pm

Sussan Ley is embarrassing with some of her appearances in recent days.
 

Not as embarrassing as Albanese, Wong and Burke. The only polly with any credibility has been Chris Minns from NSW imo.
Minns has been prepared to break ALP ranks and call for a Royal Commission along with the Federal Opposition and has been able to negotiate support from NSW opposition leader Kellie Sloane for security and gun control reforms. Albanese and crew have been too busy avoiding responsibility and are more interested in deflecting criticism, accountability and trying to shore up votes by making token disingenuous appearances which have been met with the appropriate response from the Jewish community who can see through them like a sheet of ultra clear glass.

Not saying it isnt, and whilst we like to place rules on this, where were these rules when Islamic militants abducted innocent party goers at a music festival?

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on December 19, 2025, 09:58:00 am

Dunno whether to laugh or cry, AFP boss says the Bondi shootings were "not religious". Um, 15 people were murdered because they were Jewish. If that's not religiously motivated I don't know WTF is. She needs to be relieved of her duties immediately.

Paul recently posted:

Quote from: PaulP – on December 16, 2025, 12:55:08 pm

Robert Pape has done significant work in the related and adjacent space of suicide attacks and terrorism. His book Dying To Win contains original research and is now a landmark study in the field. It may surprise some that most people who carry out such attacks are not motivated by religion. As Pape shows, their scriptural literacy and interest in religion is low. Many of the attackers are secular. What motivates them more than anything is foreign powers doing s h i t t y things to their people and on their land, removing any possibility of self determination and removing any chance of building a life of some meaning and purpose.

Material conditions always take precedence over theological principles and considerations.

Many other researchers have drawn the same conclusions as Pape, almost all terrorists, and particularly lone wolf terrorists, are motivated by the real and/or perceived repression of those they identify with.  The slaughter of 70,000 Palestinians since October 2023 is the likely motivation with the victims representing Netanyahu's IDF.  Krissy Barrett is correct, the Bondi terrorist attack wasn't religious even if the intended and actual victims were Jewish.

Quote from: LP – on December 16, 2025, 12:08:47 pm

The pain is palpable, but the conclusions are all wrong, I understand they want to blame someone, the person firing the gun is the best place to start.

Further laws, further words, won't stop what is happening, the solution lies beyond Australia's border. You cannot escape a religious war by crossing a border, it goes where you go, you have to solve the problem at it's genesis.

The footage I saw shows the rock throwing man pick up the discard shotgun, aim it the terrorist then put it down again before being shot.  It's not clear whether he was shot while aiming the shotgun.  Not everyone is capable of shooting at another human being and the rock throwing man may not have known how to fire the shotgun.  Either way, he was another hero and his daughter's words are powerful, but wrong.  Governments can only do so much to minimise terrorist attacks and it seems pretty clear that the perpetrators were radicalised long ago and not by those protesting against Israel's genocide in Palestine.  In the words of Tom Waits:

"So thousands dead and wounded on both
Sides most of them middle eastern civilians
They fill their children full of hate to fight an old man's war
And die upon the road to peace"

It's people, not governments, that allow terrorists to strike.