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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
It's actually pretty easy to follow.  Thry is right.

LP:
Agreed, social media confuses systemic slavery like the USA or UK, with criminal enslavement like prostitution / people smuggling. By the way I think the legal system terms what many on social media call slavery as subjugation.

No, that isn't social media.  It is a definition.  Easy to look up - the link I posted (Australian Gov. What is Modern Slavery) had this in it:

Modern slavery can take many forms. These include:

human trafficking
slavery
slavery-like practices:
forced labour
forced marriage
servitude
debt bondage
deceptive recruiting.
Modern slavery also includes the worst forms of child labour.

It happens in every country, including Australia.

If you want more, read the Modern Slavery Act 2018 - dunno if it's definition of slavery would be right...
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The Sports Desk / Re: God help me - the Cricket thread
Sending in 2 night watchmen doesn't help.  As a result, Sutherland batted at 10...

The 2nd innings partnership between MacAndrews and Carey was the matchwinner.  They batted well, Vics bowled well, but couldn't get the breakthrough.  They probably should have bowled Murphy during that time and Sutherland over bowled himself.  Easy game in hindsight!
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Businesses won't wear the extra fuel cost and will pass it on - everything costs more.

This is where the RBA seems to have no idea - people spend more on essential items not just buying 'stuff' and then increase rates hurting mortgagees and renters further.  The models that RBA need updating since at least Covid.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Drop won't kick in until tanks are re-filled. All petrol currently in the sevo tanks has full excise paid.

People whinge about how much excise there is and whine when the cut isn't big enough.

Next if some economists are right in that cutting excise will increase inflation, hence interest rates - what's the reaction?
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
Drugs, weapons, Human Trafficking (which includes slavery) and cyber crime are the top 4 committed international crimes.  Don't know if someone working in the scam centres is classified as cyber or trafficking.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Quote from: shawny – on
How many pages are we up to for the 'Red Trump' who runs a country on the other side of the world?

For me, living in Victoria, I see the consequences of what our government (s) do everyday and have an understanding of the effect that it has on people - and I agree that it's bad and I'm looking hopefully for a viable alternative. 

In the US, I see the dismantling of government, disregard of the constitution, blatant corruption (including from the Pre$ident) democracy falling by the wayside, not treating people decently and no respect for society.  The cover ups on the Epstein files are an absolute disgrace - it is surely beyond politics that people (loose use of the word) need to be accountable for their actions, not matter who they are.  Lack of justice for migrants. The lack of compassion and kindness that is increasing (this is not unique to the US).  I struggle to see how the US is going recover from the destruction from 2020 (we won the election), the insurrection, pardons and denials of the seriousness of what happened on Jan6.  (Democrats are no angels with pardons!).  The US has a butterfly effect in many countries.

The global political situation is pretty stark.

I see hope in countries starting to work together without the US - we'll see how it all goes!
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Shawny raised a perfectly legitimate about the kwality (sic) of the current Vic Labor government.  This has actually prompted some interesting commentary and discussion, however, it is a turn off when personal accusations fly.

It is interesting I don't really see a hammering of the Vic government - there should be a greater scrutiny, but everything seems to get shut down pretty quickly, or just run out of steam.  It is there, but not as loud as it could be considering there is an election this year.

The major thing that I would disagree with Shawny about is that the current government wasn't legitimately elected as Jacinta wasn't the leader at election time.  We all have a dilemma at times about whether to vote for a good local member, or a party that you may be more aligned with.  Yes, the 'known' leader at the time may attract/deflect votes, but everyone knows that outside of the leaders' electorate we're not voting directly for them.

It is going to be hard for a lot of people this election - it is hard to argue that the current gov is good, but the LNP or PHON?  Yes, we typically throw out a government rather than vote the opposition in - could be anyone's game.

Saw an interesting article that it could be hard for VEC to determine who the 2 party's are - Labor & LNP or PHON, which could then delay the results.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
"How people accept this absolute bloody disgrace corrupt bunch of criminals that just happens to be in charge of running our state - running it into the ground astounds me"

Not accepting it, Shawny.  This is an absolute disgrace and appropriate action needs to be taken against the appropriate people - with 'I know nothing' or 'I don't remember' not being acceptable.

There are two difficulties that I have. The first is that no one was really made (federally) accountable for Robodebt - one of many horrific actions of the gov of the day.  There is a bit of shrug the shoulders - what can we do.  The second is that the opposition have its scandals the other way with property development and Lobster with a mobster - once bitten twice shy? Unless we are able to be absolutely convinced that this is no longer going on.

The conflict of interest ($$, power, looking after mates) within parliament is nearly as big as in the AFL.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
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I think the One nation popularity is due to the appalling Labour Government and the lack of confidence in their attitude to community safety and woeful economic performance.
It's a far swing to the right out of desperation and frustration with both major parties being seen as incompetent and not listening to mainstream voters.
You add in the Greens who are devoid of any policies other than of the conservation variety and the simplistic policies of Hanson look appealing to voters doing it tough and Hanson's fish and chip shop owner battler image.
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It's not all about # votes it's where they are that matters. Greens are socialist, which doesn't work in a society that is asking 'what about me?'. Hanson speaks to many different prejudices, like MAGA does, so it is easy to find a platform that suits.

Hanson is probably worth well over 10 million - doing well to maintain battler image. Still yet to contribute anything positive or meaningful to Parliament.

As a curiosity, what is the woeful economic performance - I assume you are referring to Feds? (Vic is blindingly obvious to all!)