As DJC just stated, Cottrell and Hollands are elite runners, and have been for years now. Maybe Binns' beat them in a race here or there, but at best he was on a par with them in that area (i disagree) but was behind in every other area IMO, hence the delisting.
Moving quickly on foot? 😇
Binns got a contract extension on the back of excellent VFL form … and I’ve defended that decision in the past. Tearing that contract up was a major u-turn and I’d love to know what the thinking behind it was.
Perhaps the bake from Vossy in his 8th and final game is the key - although Binnsy reckons his delisting was unexpected.
2 wrongs dont make a right. Original decision to extend was wrong. Decision to sack early was right.
Too many similar types and he didn't have any tricks, disposal was average.
O. Hollands, L. Camporeale....even Cottrell play the same role and better.
Certainly, competing for the same roles, but Binns' running was well above the others.
Although I think his physicality was well below those he competed with, and that might not be acceptable for a coach with Voss' history!
Anyway, it's just another speculation, I think the real question is not why he was delisted, but why he wasn't picked up because his running is elite at any level.
Define 'running'.
As DJC just stated, Cottrell and Hollands are elite runners, and have been for years now. Maybe Binns' beat them in a race here or there, but at best he was on a par with them in that area (i disagree) but was behind in every other area IMO, hence the delisting.
Moir has an upside, and obvious AFL level tricks, we shouldn't be burdening him with too many negatives so early in his career.
This time next year would be the time to be more critical.
The U23 category is interesting, because it basically sits on the boundary of who will and who won't.
At 21 it's too early to write many players off, and by the time players are 25 you know if they are going to make it or not. I realise there will be some claim they told us so, "they knew" back when a player was 18 or 20, but that news always arrives retrospectively.
Agreed. It's why I don't understand Binns' delisting.
Too many similar types and he didn't have any tricks, disposal was average.
O. Hollands, L. Camporeale....even Cottrell play the same role and better.
I like Darcy's boy in terms of his attack on the footy, the aggression he shows, but AFL is full of big bodies and eventually that style of play is going to take it's toll and that could be in Rnd 1 or in years from now, but it'll happen.
8 goals in a practice match. He will do plenty of damage now.
If you want to see how to ruin the pinnacle sporting event of any sporting code, watch the Superbowl. It's basically everything bad about the USA, the internet, and social media rolled into hours and hours of broadcast!
They took a premier sporting evert and turned it into a clown show.
But in fairness, it's not just NFL, they are doing the same with US based F1 races, and I suspect aspects of the World Cup will be turned into something similar. The US can't help itself, it must submit to corporate greed, or it loses it's American grifter identity!
Sponsorship was rdiculous. Every minute there was another sponsor being plugged.
there are enough teams that are terrible that even at our worst we wont fall that far.
West Coast will struggle to win games. Melbourne will absolutely slide further. Richmond arent getting good yet, and im pegging another club will slide perhaps on purpose this season, and it wouldn't shock me if it were Collingwood.
Last year we finished 11th with 7 teams below us We lost to 3 of them - Port, Kangas and Tigers We only just beat 2 more of them by 8 points - Bombers and Dees St. Kilda was a 15 point win West Coast was 34 points.
Of those 7, i expect 4 to improve, with just eagles, dees and bombers to stay crap or go backwards.
I'm not expected the 4 above us to get worse - Dogs, Suns, Hawks and Swans, which means you're hoping for a top 6 to go bottom 4, which is a big ask, more likely to be us than them.
BUT......this is why we play the season because we simply don't know.
Sorry im a fence sitter. My range is, wheels fall off as low as 14th. Things go swimmingly premiership from 2nd to 4th. Things go average, and results not going our way, probably around 8th.
Its also a little about the ranges highlighted. Many a person, myself including, are over a couple ranges.
Its all guesswork anyway so hardly the end of thw world, but one thing i should add is that doesnt take into accoubt the carlton bias. You coukd almost shift down half a step/a full step of each vote to take that into account.
Bias will impact everyone's predictions If you've convinced yourself and argued for a good or bad season you'll tend to gravitate and give weight to a range that fits your forecast.
Individually, perhaps, as a group, no. It will all average it as favourable towards the club you support, for all 18 teams.
It's interesting looking at the poll We've had the "Chicken little" predictions and some "pie in the sky" predictions over the off-season, but inthe end mostly we're settling into expecting a ladder position that is either a few spots up or a few spots down from 2025
And those sort of fluctuations will almost solely be determined by luck and injury.
Its also a little about the ranges highlighted. Many a person, myself including, are over a couple ranges.
Its all guesswork anyway so hardly the end of thw world, but one thing i should add is that doesnt take into accoubt the carlton bias. You coukd almost shift down half a step/a full step of each vote to take that into account.
I spent time on this forum and others listening to fans spend most of the last couple of seasons complaining about the lack of performance and consistency from the likes of Curnow and TDK, punctuated by glimpses of genuine capability, now that they are gone they are all of a sudden irreplaceable.
Certainly not irreplaceable. But put simply, we didn't replace them. Big difference.
He is contracted for 2026 already, i am suggesting adding 2027 now.
Are you suggesting adding in 2028 also??
Unless they think we can do well in our first 4-8 games and want to make an announcement then…? Be smarter to do it now.
I can sorta understand but don’t agree with the decision to allow Voss to coach into 26 but I think tactically they’ve missed the chance to make this 12 month extension. Maybe if Davies was on board earlier it may have happened this way Krudds.
I was fine with voss getting the right to coach or his contract. Either way, once we showed him to stay and we cut the list the way we did, the only fair thing to do is give him the extra year. The expectations from supporters and media alike will fixate on his contract to the detriment of the club. So contract him and get that our of the equation.
I don't expect results to be favourable early on, so dint risk it. Sign him now.
This sound also help with talent aquisition as the unknown about who will coach is removed.
You literally quoted me in a post where i said 'drop a couple' positions....so thats what i was responding too.
It doesn't matter.
Giving him a 1 year deal if we finish bottom 4 is not realistic.....in your eyes. I, and some others, will disagree.
If i was the one who was making the call, i'd come out and give him a year now and say that.... "Whilst we will not be a ceiling on this year, we are mindful of some big changes in the off-season. This year will be a year of transition and with a bit of luck, the transition will be completed before Round 1, but more than likely some further time will be required. We are not conceding anything, but we are also mindful that unrealistic expectations can lead to unneccesary knee jerk reactions. Its for this reason that we want Vossy to develop this team for sustained success and not have to worry about if he has a job each week"
Puts it all out there. Hope for the best, plan for the worst.
I actually think that's a better idea. Give him the two years now. And emphasise the tranistional nature of this year....because I think even the most optimistic of us don't see us going deep into the finals. Improving yes, but not dramtically.
If we do go really low on the ladder that extra year becomes a much harder sell at the end of the year.
The two problems I see are - we're getting some really positive messages out of the club, rather than dampening expectaions they're raising them. - have we already sounded someone out for 2027 and are keeping our powder dry to see what eventuates. (the club isn't seen to be sacking a coach prior to contract end, but has someone lined up once Voss's contract finishes.)
He is contracted for 2026 already, i am suggesting adding 2027 now.
...and you're being a bit cheeky by saying bottom 4. I said drop a couple places, 13th is a couple places, 15th is bottom 4.
No You're the one changing the goal posts there. I've been arguing all day based around MBB's prediction of a bottom 4 finish.
That's the basis of what I've written. You've come late to the argument.
Giving him one year after a bottom 4 finish is not realistic. Around 13 he may be a chance, but even then a slim one.
One thing we do agree on is that 2027 will be a year where we will be better, but we're bouncing from different starting points. I have us a few places ahead of you this year. And I expect Voss to be the coach.
You literally quoted me in a post where i said 'drop a couple' positions....so thats what i was responding too.
It doesn't matter.
Giving him a 1 year deal if we finish bottom 4 is not realistic.....in your eyes. I, and some others, will disagree.
If i was the one who was making the call, i'd come out and give him a year now and say that.... "Whilst we will not be putting a ceiling on this year, we are mindful of some big changes in the off-season. This year will be a year of transition and with a bit of luck, the transition will be completed before Round 1, but more than likely some further time will be required. We are not conceding anything, but we are also mindful that unrealistic expectations can lead to unneccesary knee jerk reactions. Its for this reason that we want Vossy to develop this team for sustained success and not have to worry about if he has a job each week"
Puts it all out there. Hope for the best, plan for the worst.
