I literally said that in the post. Not like you to respond to things without reading them (or is it?)
I did read it and wasn't having a go at your post just stating without those stats the comparison is pointless. Your last sentence says 'the point remains' - my post was inferring the stats provided mean nothing so cant be used to demonstrate Kemps kicking.
You do realise this is a forum with differing opinions
It was more about the relative perceptions of people and their kicking rather than 'proving' anything one way or another.
Fevola is a kicking god. Harry is a kicking hack. Yet %'s show the opposite. Harry would need to completely miss 1 in 20 shots more than fev to be on a par % wise.
Now, i know who i'd rather have kicking for goal.....and its not based on %'s......but perhaps peoples bias cloud their output.
I know this is not exactly what you were talking about and the following data doesn't take into account complete misses (look at you Harry) but point remains, i think Kemp is being a bit harshly judged.
Player
Goals
Behinds
Total Shots
Accuracy (%)
Brendan Fevola
623
402
1,025
60.8%
Jack Gunston
593
344
937
63.3%
Robbie Gray
367
262
629
58.3%
Jamie Elliott
364
230
594
61.3%
Charlie Curnow
363
164
527
68.9%
Harry McKay
296
155
451
65.6%
Brodie Kemp
38
26
64
59.4%
Data Source: AFL Tables career records.
these stats not counting shots that go on the full or some food drop short mean they are not a true measure of goal kicking accuracy.
if you can find one that does registar all the other ‘misses’ you will find they are worlds apart
I literally said that in the post. Not like you to respond to things without reading them (or is it?)
I prefer specialist KP forwards rather than manufactured ones...we need to recruit a young KP who is a good kick at U18 level and doesn't need remedial work. Brendon Fevola comes to mind...we don't have that player like a Fevola, Gunston, Elliott, Robbie Gray who can kick that set shot match winner in the final seconds under pressure.
I know this is not exactly what you were talking about and the following data doesn't take into account complete misses (look at you Harry) but point remains, i think Kemp is being a bit harshly judged.
It's a fruitless argument that is dominating many threads. The same things are being written time after time. Yet I doubt one mind has been changed.
And in twelve months from now the whole thing will just be another sad chapter in our 21st century history. We'll have no doubt moved on next year to a new crisis or new beginnings. People have had their say, it's on the record. It'll still be here as long as the site exists in it's present form. But I doubt anyone will look back more than a few pages on any thread they engage with.
At the very least, can posters please try and confine the Voss/Fraser discussion to the relevant coach thread.
Lods, i feel your frustration. However, yours seems directed at one side of the debate. Don't blame the retaliators. blame the instigators. They've been needling us for months, and continue to do so. Now the shoe is on the other foot and you expect us to continue to cop it? Not going to happen.
Sort of thought that while the Hawks were the better side, we played ok up until 6 minutes to go in the 3rd.
The Ginnivan goal, the free to Gunstan for high contact after he fell and finally the Ison error with 6 minutes to go with his kick missing Walsh took all the air out of the game. 2 or 3 inside 50 entries resulted in a Hawthorn uncontested marks, which given the conditions was a poor outcome.
Credit to Hawthorn. They own us in recent times
....and we own Geelong.
When you look at the opposition, not the coach, all our results make sense.
Without trying to make this a coach debate, look at what happenes last time. We had elijah off with the fairies for the whole game and we had byrne miss the shot at the end to give us a draw.
If we are not playing hollands, we have immediately improved and this should win.
was that our worst performance of the year against any team? Certainly seemed to be our lowest points total.
We weren’t in the same postcode as the Hawks on Saturday night, our response between will be telling next week but Saturday night was worse than most of our performances in the first 8 rounds this year.
Hawks game and the bombers game have been our worst performances of the year IMO. Thankfully the bombers are the worst team of the past decade (or more) so we still got a win out of it.
Surely Kemp has to be on shaky ground. When I watch him play I am reminded of the saying "Jack of all trades and master of none". He has been tried on the back line, the forward line and positions in between. On a good day he breaks even with his opponent, and on most other days his performance can best be described as mediocre.
The fact he is able to retain his position in the side is a reflection of our desperate shortage of KPPs.
Re kemp.... Very poor game from him, no doubt. However, did you see our entry inside f50? As best i can tell it was sit it on harrys head and hope for a miracle.....and it didnt come. Our f50 entries are terrible, and the conditions have a large say in that, but when its decent weather, kemp finds space and is ok 1 on 1 and on a lead.
Given we have SFA behind him knocking on the door, we must persist with him. Hes much better as 3rd banana not #2.
Had we recruited some KPFs over the years, hed be playing 2s, but we didnt, so here we are.
Didn't see any of the game but based on summaries and the form of the 1s, its pretty clear to me that we need to make a couple changes.
1. Williams into the 1s. Losing George, we need some mid help. Kicking goals is a struggle up forward, zac is our most effective when played there. Clearly can play down back as well. With 5 on the bench, surely you find a spot for this utility.
2. Acres should never have been dropped and should be back in the 1s.
We know george is out. So we need 1 more to make way. To me it seems to be between ison and hollands. Either way, those ins can cover us.
I wouldnt be playing fogarty. Hes gone at seasons end. You could think about playing flynn young as well....but not sure there is a spot for him.
