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Quote from: kruddler – on March 27, 2026, 05:29:42 pm

Who plays all the midfield minutes that Lord was playing? Have to think Evans will play some....who else?

I would've brought someone like Acres in to allow our wingers to play more midfield.

Lord was basically our defensive or run with midfielder and I think that whoever has that role has to be set for it, rather than part timers sharing it.  Of course, Melbourne's midfield isn't as strong as it was and we may not bother with a defensive mid other than Hewett doing his normal stuff.

Most of our general forwards are spending time in the midfield but I'd expect Lij and Williams to do the lion's share.  Byrner could get a go too if he's coping with the pressure and tempo.

Quote from: kruddler – on March 27, 2026, 05:09:12 pm

IN: Byrne + Evans
OUT: Lord (illness) Fogarty (omitted)

Sorry fog, but that needed to happen and thank F*** they had the balls to do it.

I reckon Young and Elijah would be next on the list of people who should be worried.

We'll miss Coop but our forward looks more potent with Frankie and Byrner - if the latter can bring what he showed in the practice matches.

Compulsory work for those serving prison sentences is a legitimate part of judicial punishment.  It's not slavery as there's no legal ownership of prison inmates by governments.

Quote from: PaulP – on March 27, 2026, 06:47:17 am

Interested to see the results of the recent vote in the UN to declare the Transatlantic slave trade "the gravest crime against humanity." 123 states voted in favour, 52 abstentions, and 3 states voted against.

I wonder how many nations built their material wealth off the backs of slaves?

Looks like Cerra and Newman will play, as they have been ruled out of senior selection.
Cerra may well be on managed minutes, but Newman probably won't be.

Taylor Byrne set to play this Sunday according to Riley Beveridge, he’ll be a welcome spark to our team although he’ll be on managed time due to limited fitness.

Quote from: kruddler – on March 25, 2026, 01:09:26 pm

I don't think he specified that specifically, but are they not one and the same?
If someone has elite speed at U18 level, will he not have elite speed at AFL level? et al.

I do think it's different
Would you say someone like Matthew Watson was elite at u/18 level.
Good mark excellent long kick.
He was a man-child and had probably jumped ahead of his peers at that level.
He was an All Australian at that level...but it didn't translate to senior football and he became a much maligned player.
For some it works in reverse. They struggle to make an impact as a youngster just scraping onto a list but blossom once they get the opportunity and proper training and guidance.

\@Kruddler-When Sheahan made his comment about players having to have at least one 'elite' quality was he talking about at AFL level or at under 18 level.
Because deep into the draft those picked up would probably register one elite aspect to their play at that u/18 level.
And at AFL level there would be plenty of footsoldiers who wouldn't register as elite in any category.

Quote from: kruddler – on March 24, 2026, 04:08:13 pm

Nobody has said they can't make it.

Everybody hopes they do.

If you are a betting man, you bet against them based on where they were drafted. You can do that for every player drafted at a similar spot.
Clearly not all of them will fail, but more of them will fail rather than make it.
Thats the simple truth.

Thats not positive.
Thats not negative.
Thats simple statistics.

No, that's a pretty negative view.
You're betting against youngsters.
You're betting against your club succeeding.
Many of them will succeed and be really good contributors to any future success.
That's a positive view.

Which ones and how many are anyone's guess?
If you make predictions on individuals at age 19 and 20 there's a fair chance some of them will come back and bite you on the backside.

That's the nature of football, which has a habit of taking no notice of statistics.
You may be able to point to trends...but it's no guarantee of the individual aberrations.

Quote from: kruddler – on March 24, 2026, 11:55:52 am

Who is making definitive judgements?

Ignoring everything about the individual player and just looking at where they are drafted, thats the conclusion you will come too. Later picks and rookie picks will struggle to make it.

Now back to the players, have they shown anything at this stage to buck that trend? Not really, they are showing about what their draft value suggests.
They might make it.
They might not.

Not definitive at all, just statistical analysis.

Some would say your post 18 March 2026 , was sounding fairly definitive (& rather harsh) Mr Kruds: -

The campo twins never came highly rated.
We all have expectations that they can live up to their old man, but not likely.

TBH, i don't think they will make it, and if the old man is causing an issue now, perhaps we show them the door sooner rather than later. Perhaps they'd be better off following his footsteps and pissing off to Essendon, they'd probably get a game there.
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