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Then there's the focus our list managers had on better ball users. Fortunately, they know what they're doing
Lods...
When asked why we will improve by those who think we can, everyone is fit, everyone is their best version of themselves. Everyone who was good last year remains good. Everyone who had potential fulfils it. No key players will get injured.
That's the issue i have.
Reality is closer to what you said there and what I've been saying. You cant say we'll be better because Newman well be back. We might be better, but he might be worse... if he is back at all.
Rinse repeat for anyone on our list.
I think what you're seeing though is posters are making the argument for a positive outcome...but by no means completely oblivious to the problems that may lie ahead.
Because they don't mention it doesn't mean they don't recognise them.
Much the same as the other side are presenting reasons why we will struggle but giving much less emphasis to any positives
We all realise we'll need luck with injury and luck in general.
Amartey can play in defence, and he missed most of last season with an adductor strain. As we know with Jack Silvagni, adductor strains can be chronic, even after surgery.
I guess so. I am quite clearly a Charlie fan, but I can't quite follow the Swans' logic. They already have a trio of decent tall forwards, and having quickly looked at AFL Tables, they had less I50's, Marks I50, clearances, and tackles than us in 2025 (a few other statistical categories were also in our favour). This is undoubtedly a cursory, superficial examination, but I can't help feeling their bigger issues lie elsewhere, and getting Charlie was just talent for the sake of talent, and they paid a lot to get him IMO. Maybe they will offload some of the others next season.
I get the positive thinking
If Walsh us fit
If Cripps gets back to 24 form
If Newman is still the same
If Harry has no issues
If Acres can get back to his best
If Dean can play a role straight away
If Jagga can have an immediate impact
If Florent can play like he did before the big bad Cox got to him.
If Kemp can stay fit.
If motlop and Ainsworth can take the next step.
If Cottrell doesn't get injured.
Lots of ifs.
Meanwhile Gulden thinks charlie is just like Buddy.
re tdk...
A lot of people misunderstand me when it comes to him. Let me clarify.
1. I don't think he is worth the crazy money we offered him and certainly not what the saints offer him.
2. I think his ruckwork (hitouts) is average at best, pittonet destroys him in that area.
3. I think his around the ground work is good but far from elite. I did some comparisons to Pittonet in all the key areas tackles, clearances, marks, disposals etc and they were very similar.
4. His consistency and his ability to stay out in the park is a weakness, see point 1.
That being said...
- His athletic ability is elite.
- His potential is elite.
- If it's 'his day' people can't stop him.
- I picked him as my starting ruck in all of the best 22s we did last year from preseason to the end.
So he is very much a loss. A lot of that loss is a loss on what he could be. Some of that is comparing to what we have instead, in not talking about Pittonet, but 2nd ruck... Reidy or HOK, who should also be a potential kpf we rely on.
Defence wasn't really a concern?
Lets here a non-Carlton based perspective....
https://www.zerohanger.com/every-afl-teams-backline-ranked-1-18-171600/6/
Did the person who made that ranking actually watch any games or do any actual analysis?
The most basic and reliable assessment of a team's defence is points against and we ranked 9th in 2025.
There is some seriously warped interpretations of what people are actually saying.
So far off the mark it's ridiculous.
Lost the plot completely.
I suspect some need a cup of tea, a Bex and a good lie down.
Saying Ollie may give us good service is nowhere near saying he's better than Charlie Curnow.
Doesn't work that way Kruddler, we take the traitor's worst and our new player's best, even Chesser's 4 games lol.
I just said similar in another thread.How can you measure a players Average output?
All outgoing players are now no good.
All incoming players have never played a bad game or missed a game through injury.
Its hypocrisy.
Take them all at 'average' levels and go from there.
You'll come up with the same conclusion if you are honest.
I.e. Hayward? His formline stacks up over 3 years. Florent was sidelined by his coach, not his ability. So not sure its fair to do that with him, and Ainsworth had a solid year.
We are saying all these guys have to do is back up 2025 form, vs the outgoings 2025 form. Thats 11 games without being subbed off injured for JSOS.
Charlie went bog average by key forward standards. 18 games for 32 goals. 1.8 goals a game. Sure he kicked 27 behinds, but we wont miss those. All we need is Kemp to chime in for 18 games and kick 30. That will cover Charlie. Hayward and Ainsworth might make up the rest, if Kemp falls short, and Skull is a wildcard here. Played 5 games, kicked 3 goals.
TDK the ruckman is more of a unicorn than not. Thing is, you yourself @kruddler have stated that Pittonet shades him. So if Pittonet Shades him, TDK's 2025 was a mixed bag, where he was generally good for half the season and then came back to the field. Rucks are easier to cover, you just need a competitor. I.e. Is Cameron a better ruck than Grundy? Probably not. Cameron has played better footy than Grundy more often. Collingwood didnt miss him. Maybe we will have Pittonet finally have a consistent run.
JSOS. I love the guy. Is a competitor, hates being beaten. Thing is, he played 13 games, and missed 2024 completely. He was also not present for most of our best footy in 2023, and hasnt even played a final yet for us. Are we really going to pine about that now?
It reeks of agenda. What happened to being measured?
I said the debate centred around whether we would improve stay the same or go backwards in 2026 compared to 2025.
And on that basis you can only judge on what was on display in 2025
Florent didn't have a great year compared to his previous year.
I don't think I've mentioned him much.
Defence wasn't really a concern...our issues stemmed more around entry to the 50 the ability to keep it there, and forward efficiency.
Anyway, we'll see how Ollie goes this year.
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/1941089/micd-up-ollie-florent-at-training?videoId=1941089&modal=true&type=video&publishFrom=1765440286001
Ollie played as well as his coach allowed him to. Inexplicable coaching from someone who seems out of their depth.
I think that Ollie will make quite an impression next season both on the field and with his energy and leadership at training.
You said we are only judging on 2025.Defence wasn't really a concern...our issues stemmed more around entry to the 50 the ability to keep it there, and forward efficiency.
13 - Carlton
If it weren't for Jacob Weitering, the Blues would be much worse on the list.
The All-Australian defender not only held his own, but also assisted his teammates in their matchups.
Nick Haynes was shaky early but found his groove in the end and proved vital to the club's intercepting ability.
Ollie Hollands and Matt Carroll showed their skillset across half-back as the Blues' go-to ball users, while Adam Saad, despite playing 21 games, took a backwards seat.
The retired Sam Docherty and emerging Lachlan Cowan struggled with form and injury, contributing to the defensive woes, which were heightened when Mitch McGovern was in the backline.
Jack Silvagni and Lewis Young played 13 matches each, and the former will be sorely missed after joining St Kilda in the off-season.
Harry O'Farrell showed plenty, but will likely miss the majority of 2026 due to an ACL injury.
