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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Carltons list changes needed to chase flag 17
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Sorry, 3 Leos, but I do not believe we have a revolving door of people who want out. The only best 25 or so blokes who wanted out were TDK and Charles. Nothing we could do about TDK considering the massive financial from the Aints to set him up for life.

Yes, we've learned that it was not ideal in the locker room last year, but I'm more than confident that any ructions are being dealt with, if not already dealt with.

Is that right?

More want to leave us than stay recently as far as im concerned.

...and i believe that last statement is the problem.

Firstly, i take it you dont mean that literally.
Its clear more people re-signed with the club last year conpared to players who wanted out. On any given year about 1/3 to 1/2 your list is out of contract.

Secondly,
How many players have actually wanted to leave?
This year 3. We also pushed a couple.

In the last couple years, who wanted out?
Keeping in mind we pushed a couple too.

Weitering signed up last year, walsh this year. They could name their price if they left, but they didn't.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
From the stabbing/murder i posted a page back i got some more information from locals.

The original 14/15yo victim was beaten pretty badly to the point where he may not make it, and certainly won't be back at school this year.
The 4 15-18yo's who attacked him all went to the same school (or at least did - may have left) This also included 1 female.
The 22yo who came to the victims aid originally was followed by the attackers after the initial attack and followed him back to his car where they all took turns stabbing him, and continued to stab him well after he was dead. They did a real number on him.
They were all high in ice.


It really makes you second guess whether you should come to someones aid if thats going to be the outcome......but i guess that is half the point.

All because they wanted a phone and a power bank.  :'(
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
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Campo SNR is always unhappy

The campo twins never came highly rated.
We all have expectations that they can live up to their old man, but not likely.

TBH, i don't think they will make it, and if the old man is causing an issue now, perhaps we show them the door sooner rather than later. Perhaps they'd be better off following his footsteps and pissing off to Essendon, they'd probably get a game there.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
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I recall Gawn speaking post match about the challenge of facing DeKoning and Pittonet and the physical effort it took.
St Kilda were behind the eight ball in that department yesterday once Marshall went into the concussion protocols.

We'll need two rucks against him
The question for us...O'Keefe or Reidy.

Put 2 players against any 1 player and they will find it difficult.

THe other side of that coin is that you have less players to play on other players....and thats where the damage gets done.

We've had many a debate about our chances this season and you've tried to convince me we'll be ok because of the spread of talent we got in vs losing elite talent.
This is the same argument but coming from the opposite direction. Forget about trying to cover the elite Gawn and use your spread of talent to win other areas of the ground.....and thus the game.

Rucks are overated.
Gawn is elite.
Gawn vs 1 ruck, he might get 30 touches and kick 2 goals.
Gawn vs 2 rucks, he might get 20 touches and kick 1 goal.

Is it worth adding an extra player to save 10 touches and a goal?
Do we go down a midfield rotation as a result? A midfielder that might get you 20 touches and a goal themselves.....as well as ease the load on the other midfielders, allowing them to benefit as well.

Now, more than ever, our team can afford to play 2 'ruck types' given one of them is basically our FF.
But even then, the output of HOK (or Reidy) in that role is not really seeing us get much of a benefit.

Stick with 1 ruck, and run them off their feet.
.....or at least limit the damage we do to ourselves when we fall in a hole after half time unable to run anymore.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Lapses- Physical or Mental
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Quote from: kruddler – on


Thats half the problem though isn't it.
Players edging into an area past their prime and not enough young talent coming in to bridge the gap.
It is not necessarily about ins vs outs player by player.

This has been a big criticism from me over the journey. Each individual player recruitment in itself is not necessarily a bad idea. You can build a good case for every player recruited vs what they cost us.

However, list building is not about getting a clump of individuals together, instead its about building a fully fleshed out list that is not easily defeated by some injuries.
This is why i've been banging on about our 37 small forward recruits over the journey.
All can play football to different degrees. But they do not make our team/list better when half of them are forced to play 2's because we have too many in the 1's already.
At the same time having only 1 AFL capable KPF on the list, and only somewhat better at the other end.
Agree, but the point was our strong list depth wasn't really strong as soon as the game went to a more precise skilful kicking style.

We lived and died by our good players playing well and our form is coinciding with the top dropping off not the bottom.

Our list was not fully formed, sure, but nobody said it was.
It is more 'out of shape' now than it was though, which is MBBs point.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Lapses- Physical or Mental
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Quote from: madbluboy – on
The list was stronger a couple of years ago.
that might be true but our maturing elderly were in their prime.  We've not exactly see our list flourish elsewhere with the exception of Kennedy.

Everyone else is gone from the afl or spare parts player.  The wheels had fallen off by the time Charlie, jsos and tdk moved on.  Every other player who left us is retired, or cant get a game.

Thats half the problem though isn't it.
Players edging into an area past their prime and not enough young talent coming in to bridge the gap.
It is not necessarily about ins vs outs player by player.

This has been a big criticism from me over the journey. Each individual player recruitment in itself is not necessarily a bad idea. You can build a good case for every player recruited vs what they cost us.

However, list building is not about getting a clump of individuals together, instead its about building a fully fleshed out list that is not easily defeated by some injuries.
This is why i've been banging on about our 37 small forward recruits over the journey.
All can play football to different degrees. But they do not make our team/list better when half of them are forced to play 2's because we have too many in the 1's already.
At the same time having only 1 AFL capable KPF on the list, and only somewhat better at the other end.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
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Quote from: PaulP – on


I saw that a couple of days ago.

It seems as though the methodology of that survey is not, shall we say, particularly robust. Possible more for sh1ts and giggles than anything else. What is important IMO, is that across a range of different surveys / analyses from different institutions, Melbourne is constantly ranked near the top, as the 2nd half of this article shows.

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2026/mar/11/time-out-melbourne-best-city-world
living off past glories IMHO.

Perhaps these lists arent what they're cracked up to be.

Yep....hard to get up to the minute information on every city around the world and collate it in a meaningful way.
A lot of the data is reused from days past.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
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One thing that annoys me about our play is that we continually give up ground when there's a mark or a free.  We tend to go to "outside five" between the arcs and in our forward 50 and when we "stand", it's usually a couple of metres back from the actual mark.  Short's kick from the 50 would have struggled to make the distance if our player hadn't retreated a couple of metres.

I understand that it's about guarding territory trying to minimise passing and playing on options giving up metres within range of the goal is just dumb.
The couple metres back is an umpire directive and i cant understand it.

Forever and a day, wherever you take a mark, a player stands on the mark.
This got tricky when a player took a mark on a lead, with the player on the mark asked to come back a bit as his chasing momentum took him over the mark. Fair.

However in the modern game the umpire almost always asks the player to come back off the mark for no reason.

I commented on it in our game. A player took a Mark on the centre square line. The man in the mark was asked to stand in the 50m arc. Thats a good 3-4m back of not more. This is not an outside 5, or a stand. That's where the umpires marked the line.
Forget who it was but the player kicked a goal, just clearing the players on the goal line.