What's the trend of these little turds getting arrested, released with a feather duster on the wrist (not even a slap these days) and re-offending?
It's a legitimate question, but I'd assert the wrong people are being asked the question.
It's almost like the courts which are full of lawyers spend all day finding loopholes in the laws to set the multiple offending teens free!
I know of one person working on the inside that will tell you it's deliberate, because they think the evidence is clear, the more time the worst kids spend inside the system the more likely it is they become career criminals. But I'm not sure this isn't a confusion of cause and effect, and a consequence of lawyers, welfare and other legal types talking themselves into a corner.
Australia is a big place, maybe it's time to have some sort of remote national service camp for these kids, and put their natural talents to work in Iran or Afghanistan! Of course some will be horrified at the suggestion, but the there there there it'll all be right you are forgiven is clearly failing.
Career criminals, maybe.
But if they get out and keep offending, they go back behind bars.
IF they are out and keep offending....what have we gained?
Better to lock them up and make the community safer in the short term at least.
There is a panel of Priestly, Wright, Davies, Simpson and Williams. Forget Simmo, he's getting paid to FIFO, the others have both nuts on the block with a very sharp axe sitting above them. Fark this up and they are Gonski and its the other board members that will take turns with the axe.
Did Voss's demise reflect greatly on those who chose him. We'll forget who was even on the panel in the three to four years a new coach will get. Wright will be the only one in the gun (if he is still there)...because it's pretty apparent that he's the one making the calls. He's our new villain for some.
I already pointed out that Priestly wiped his hands of any blame of the appointment of Voss.....despite being part of the board, as was Diesel.....and they are not alone. So while YOU might forget who made the calls, plenty of others will remember. Possibly the same people making noise now.
I find it funny that you plead ignorance to the those who made the previous call, but blind faith in those that are making this one....its the same people.....at least in part.
But like many sheep in the past.....THIS time it will be different.
So guys... Tell me how we make a noise. Tell me the strategy. Because half the supporter group is of an opposite opinion. Around half of the group thought it was time for changes on one or all of those that have departed. For every one jumping up and down, you would be getting someone telling you to move on. And we're already starting to see many who weren't keen on the changes, accepting that it has happened.
What pressure do you put on a board or admin. Our constitution virtually ensures the board is unaccountable. A ticket to challenge is nowhere in sight. The powers are like an umpire...they won't change their decisions. So Voss, Lloyd, Austin, Agresta are no longer part of the Carlton story going forward.
#1 strategy is to point out the issues with the club to people like yourself that continue following based on blind faith.
If enough people realise the problems with the club, the more likely it is to bring about enough noise to make a difference.
I'm not in a position to try and oust the board personaly, nor do i think anyone else in here is. But its like when people go to the polls in an election.....every vote counts. Well every voice counts, eventually it may lead to a change.
#2 strategy would be providing appropriate feedback from club surveys and the like. Get enough people being negative and they have to take notice.
Use the media, , social media, talkback radio etc.
How did Sydney supporters get Roos hired despite the fact Wallace had signed a contract? It is possible.
But....if people just suck it up, lube up and bend over.....nothing is going to change.
You bring up the point that an umpire won't change their decision. This is true. However, if the umpire hears the roar of the crowd and the boos when people see a replay, he realises that he probably made the wrong decision, and next time a similar thing occurs, he may do it differently. Without the 'noise' of the crowd....nothing changes.
Understand. There are two ways to look at it... It's more of the same or There's a plan being put in place that's going to involve a bit of pain, but will set us up for future success.. We've embarked on a course. We have no power to change it. So we just have to watch it play out and hope for it to be a path to success.
If we don't jump up and down about it now. What is stopping the club from doing it again next time.....and again....and again.
There is a difference between 'moving on' and 'holding the club accountable'.
Whether its the right decision or the wrong decision, time will tell. Even if it was the wrong decision, it may end up working. Even if it was the right decision, it mey not end up working.
We did it for 4 qtrs the last 2 weeks. Before then, for half a game we were probably last for those measures each week. Fact is we were 1-8, now we are 3-8. That's the one measure that matters and executing those statistical measures much better.
....and if we played Dogs and Port every game we'd be 11-0.
Even im surprised with how quickly the old gameplan was changed and match day implemented with the same list.
Now do one that includes the last 3 games from Voss and compare that to Fraser. Will be just about identical.....as the previous posts pointed out, that you failed to acknowledge.
It's pretty despicable by the media to cause trouble by framing a negative narrative around Voss, then once he's gone they pivot and give him considerable credit. Shameful.
I'm expecting the opposite with Hird. Media pumping up his tyres, largely, then when he gets in the media will turn and say how could essendon bring him back after the heartache he caused......and never admitted fault for mind you!
I said similar in that i didnt think anything had changed between our Lions game and dogs game. Now Jagga backed that up in the post match interview And Stats back that up too.
Any people who wanted vossy sacked care to weigh in on these revelations?
Wright wanted him gone, senior players wouldn't play for him....ditto Scott at Essendon ....
Which senior players? The ones that left? The ones that were dropped? The ones he brought back into the 1's? The ones who almost won us the game against the lions?
They played pretty well for him while he was there at the end, just couldn't get over the line.
Over the last 6 weeks, No 1 ball movement team in the competition. No 1 scoring team out of their D50, 3rd most uncontested marks, use the 45 degree kick 3rd most in the competition.
I said similar in that i didnt think anything had changed between our Lions game and dogs game. Now Jagga backed that up in the post match interview And Stats back that up too.
Any people who wanted vossy sacked care to weigh in on these revelations?
The commentators were saying that Cody Walker was now on our VFL list and would now be playing in most games. Is that correct?
He's played....3-4 games now i think.
There was also talk a couple weeks ago that said they will let him go back and play some school and/or U18's games so he can play with some mates, as it'll likely be the last time he gets to do that again.
We had Moir, but that was about it. When we don't dominate in the middle, our structural issues become more apparent. And Moir has to up his workrate. God knows he can make a difference when he gets the ball. But he doesn't get the ball enough. Simple as that. We had Warburton at CHF, which shows how devoid of options we were.
Moir will be put on the trade table at seasons end.
He has the ability but not the grey matter and clearly doesn't want to work hard enough.
You don't trade Moir types. You won't get much for him, but if he puts it all together, he can make you look silly for a decade afterwards.
Best we keep him. He'll kick you a goal a game relatively easily, which should not be overlooked, even if his potential is to get you 2 goals a game.
1. Playing Harry as second ruck/forward. Coincidentally his best two games this year have been the last two. 2. More on ball time for Smith. 3. Clear directive to hold the ball until better options emerge. Less hack kicks forward. 4. Selection of kids over veterans. No Saad, Acres, Young. Big roles given to kids like Dean. Clearly some have had their cards marked. 5. Selection of Ison who looks like a very accomplished player. 6. Selection of kids like Billy who kick hard, flat and through the corridor. 7. Timely return to form of senior players and Hewitt back in seniors. 8. Playing struggling sides who we really should be beating regardless of who is coaching.
1. This has occured previously under Voss. Voss actually started it with making Harry 2nd ruck against the Lions. Harrys 2nd half against the Lions started this return to form. He was BOG against the Lions by fantasy points. 2. Smith has been given more on ball time recently, but also got plenty at the start of the year. I expect him to be in and out simply to manage his minutes and not break him. Can't expect essentially a 1st year player to play a full year on the ball. 3. Hard to quantify. Didn't see much difference between Lions and Dogs efforts 4. Young was dropped by Voss. Acres hasn't been picked all year. Saad has barely played all year. 5. Definitely got his first go under Fraser. Was borderline being picked in the few weeks leading up to it. 6. Vossy picked Wilson against the Lions. 7. Vossy brought Hewett back against the Lions. 8. Almost beat the lions. Played the same way since and have been beating poorer sides as a result.
I've got no issue with what Freser is doing, but he is getting a lot of credit for doing things which were actually done by Vossy first. Week 1 vs Dogs - 1 forced change In: Ison Out: Saad (inj) Week 2 vs Port - 2.5 forced changes In: Derkson, Young, Byrne Out: Weitering (inj), O. Hollands (inj) Williams (managed)
As with what Jagga said after the game, not a whole lot has changed under Fraser. The boys played well against the Lions and have continued playing that way.
I dont think there has been any drastic changes thats occured in the last couple weeks.
I'm sure the anti Voss brigade will think it's a load of s h i t.
One of Vossy's first innovations was to give our key forwards licence to help out in the backline whenever they felt it was necessary. McGovern does just that last night and it's a genius move by Fraser
The best thing i like about Fraser 'genius move' is how he managed to get Charlie doing it over the last 2 years. Now THAT is genius.
Fraser was coaching the last couple of years yeah?
Anyhow the one thing beyond dispute is the changes in game plan use of ball going into 50, lowering the eyes, lower kicks kicking to advantage and keeping control of the ball out of defensive 50. the predictable long kicks to the wings are not anywhere near as common as they were.
Agreed
Game plan or ball use?
I commented very early on in the game that we'd sold our soul midweek for the ability to kick. In the first half it was accurately at goal and accurately to the leading forward.
At one stage i think we were going 15% KE ABOVE the norm. Elite of the elite levels. Thats not game plan.
Clearly in the 2nd half all that went out the window. So does that mean the game plan failed in the 2nd half.
Personally i think we just got a bit 'lucky' early on with our kicking and came back to the pack like normal from there.
