Does the government count as 'Australians'? They are in charge of prisons. Are people in prison free? Are people in prison forced into labour with repercussions if they do not?
Prisoners are incarcerated under our judicial system and they're not owned by the government. Prisoners are paid between $30 and $70 for a 30 hour week. Advocates maintain that's "slave labour" but with their board, lodging, education and training costing around $3,000 a week, it's not a bad deal.
Even if they are put there illegally in a lot of cases?
Thats not a bad deal??
Next thing youll tell me is that was all instituted by the superior race.
Youve said it, ive said it. Percentage is a better predictor of how well you are going rather than wins/losses and ladder position.
You can ignore it all you like and hope we can find clubs to beat up on to inflate our %, but ill give you the hot tip, i think we've already played 2 teams that are vying for the positions held by north and west coast last year.....and i think north and west coast have very much improved, especially relative to us.
No....its not meaningless. It very much has meaning and is displaying our form accurately. Form is fleeting (we hope) and % can and will change throughout the year.
However, nobody in their right mind would say Gold Coast are struggling. Nor would they say we are flying. So again, certainly not meaningless.
No, it means nothing at this stage of the year.
And is definitely not comparable to previous years
Different rules Different opposition
We win a couple of games by 40-50 points at this tme of the year and you shoot past the 100% Do that at the end of the year with bigger point totals and it doesn't cause the same fluctuations.
Watch Gold Coast's percentage drop, even if they keep winning.
I understand how % works Lods.
After what round does it suddenly start to matter? We can reconvene then if you'd like. I'm interested to see what your next excuse will be. I must say the head in the sand defence was not what i was expecting this time around, so next time will also be a surprise.
Ah I see, we argued an out on a different definition of slavery to argue we never had slavery even though the evidence runs contrary to that.
So we can argue semantics, you are right, and I am wrong, we never participated in slavery despite the evidence showing otherwise. Is that it?
It's not semantics, it's fact. Australians have never owned other people,
Does the government count as 'Australians'? They are in charge of prisons. Are people in prison free? Are people in prison forced into labour with repercussions if they do not?
I think EBs point is that the judgement before a ball was kicked in anger was premature expectations.
After 3 games last year our % was 83.3% After 3 games this year our % is 72.9%......and we were luckily enough to hold on and win one of them.
Based on form.....i'm taking last year.
Percentage is meaningless after three games. A heavy loss or a big win can change percentage from a big positive to a big negative in one game.
Do you think Gold Coast will have a percentage of 191% at the end of the year? Percentages won't settle as an indicator until well into the season.
No....its not meaningless. It very much has meaning and is displaying our form accurately. Form is fleeting (we hope) and % can and will change throughout the year.
However, nobody in their right mind would say Gold Coast are struggling. Nor would they say we are flying. So again, certainly not meaningless.
I think EBs point is that the judgement before a ball was kicked in anger was premature expectations.
After 3 games last year our % was 83.3% After 3 games this year our % is 72.9%......and we were luckily enough to hold on and win one of them.
Based on form.....i'm taking last year.
I know its hard to compare, but youre putting words in people's mouths again. Your contention was we'd go backwards where most were saying we wont miss Charlie. Thing is, are we missing Charlie? How about tdk? Or jsos?
Thing is this is what the discussion was.
Not whether or not we'd magically improve. How far back do we slide? Id wager with Charlie in, we might have done a bit better, but tdk was going anyway, and jsos is a hard one to quantify as he only averaged 12 games a season. What if he had missed these ones?
The Melbourne loss might not be as bad as we think, theyve at least got the bones of a premiership side there and some bonafide stars. We have a vanilla team, and we play vanilla footy.
Lets put it this way. If we had those 3, they'd be in the team. If we performed the same way we have, lets say we drop those 3. Then we bring in their replacements......which are the blokes currently in the team. (because we don't have the original 3). Now, since we have performed the way we have, lets piss those blokes off (the 'replacements' for the original 3). Who do we bring in?
We have gone all in with the players we have since the departure and we don't have a backup plan in place. So, like now, when it doesn't work out we are screwed. So regardless of whether those 3 leaving are/were capable of improving our performances to a point where it makes a difference on the win/loss column, now we don't even have that opportunity.
Now.....if for some reason those 3 found some half decent form, then the sky was the limit. Currently, the sky is not the limit.......instead of reaching for the stars, i think we are just trying to keep our head above water. Its a completely different mindset.
.....and on top of all that, our 'replacements' eg, HOK, Kemp.....have lost whatever short lived form they ever had compounding all of the above.
The Australian Government follows the definition set out in the International Convention to Suppress the Slave Trade and Slavery of 1926, that is 'the status or condition of a person over whom any or all of the powers attaching to the right of ownership are exercised'. Almost all nations follow the 1926 convention.
There are slavery-like offences, such as forced labour, debt bondage and human trafficking but none involve ownership and, therefore, aren’t slavery.
It’s fine to take an academic perspective and argue that indentured labour is slavery but, legally, it’s not.
Ah I see, we argued an out on a different definition of slavery to argue we never had slavery even though the evidence runs contrary to that.
So we can argue semantics, you are right, and I am wrong, we never participated in slavery despite the evidence showing otherwise. Is that it?
To paraphrase Billy Shakespear "What’s in a name? That which we call a slave, by any other word would taste as bitter."
Too often figures get quoted that are for the latest all singing and dancing passive heat design(airtight), double glazed, insulated floor, wall and ceiling dwelling, but that is not even 1% of the Australian market. In my area there are only two completed homes like that out of about 10,000, with a couple more planned, and they cost about 3x a typical build, not really viable is it? At the normal rate of replacement, it will take approximately 50 years to convert 80% of the dwellings. Ironically, in one of those homes, after all the trouble getting the design, approvals and build right, the people love having the windows open which effectively defeats the concept!
You start making a valid point then throw this nonsense out there which is BS.
Australia doesn't build 'airtight' houses. We build a lot better quality houses than we used to, with far less gaps than previously, but far from air tight.
All new houses being built today are a minimum of 7-star. That is the standard and you can't get a house stamped without that requirement ticked off. You can get 8-star with a bit of extra coin. How you reach those star levels doesn't matter. Each 'good' thing you do gets you a portion of a star, you add them all up. The most popular things to do nowadays is with double glazed, insulated wall and ceiling (and floor if you choose) with passive heating/cooling considerations (eaves, north facing etc). That is standard....and go to any new estate and thats all you see. There is also water tanks, suburb wide recycled water, solar panels, etc etc.
I'll tell you what, those same houses cost less than a build if you go with your local small builder too.
Further to all that is the goverment schemes to help fund the replcements of older inefficient heating/cooling systems as well. All in a bid to make houses more energy efficient.
The argument I heard over summer was the list is much better and better placed and that the new game plan would make us better. Im not sure it's premature, a few of us predicted what would happen. There seem to be this idea that every other team would go backwards and that our brilliant new recruits would change our fortune. Hope you didn't put any money the on the outcome..
I'd call judgement after three rounds in... premature 'expectations'. Both for the team and individuals. We have a long way to go. We started last year 0-4 We're already ahead of that. There's a bit to play out on, and maybe off the field.
I was going to say the same thing as EB.
I think EBs point is that the judgement before a ball was kicked in anger was premature expectations.
After 3 games last year our % was 83.3% After 3 games this year our % is 72.9%......and we were luckily enough to hold on and win one of them.
Maybe Kruddler we just go with who's fit and in form....drop HoK and play Flynn, he can't do any worse. Might give us a bit more run and movement instead of relying on long dump kicks to ineffective marking targets.
If we drop all the players out of form, we don't have enough players in form to replace them.
Surely Ben C must be a chance for the seniors soon, our midfield mix is clearly wrong but we have a pig headed MC....
Do we need to drop one of Cripps or Hewett to play BenC as a midfielder?
Do we need to? Yes.
Will we? No
So how about this.... Out: HOK. In: Ben C.
Cripps to FF and changing in the ruck.
That way we have another option at FF....and one that can actually wrestle. We can play him as a ruck and have 4 mids in the middle. We give exposure to Ben C in the process.
