Sorry LP, but I'm going with Dr David Cunnington on this. After all, he is a sleep physician with over 20 years' experience in clinical practice.
For the record, he maintains that, for the approaches taken by the 49ers and the Rams, "Each has a rationale, and either strategy is valid." Furthermore, Allen Sills, the NFL's chief medical officer, confirmed that both teams had engaged sleep experts to formulate their approach. The Rams' followed the same strategy last year when they flew to London on the day of their game, thrashed against the Jaguars 35-7, and returned home without needing to stay in a hotel. Of course, flying to Melbourne is a different kettle of worms than flying to London.
he sounds like a fence sitter.
To be honest different strokes for different folks is likely better. Personally travelling east is always more exhausting than travelling west, and I would write off the first 24 hours than expect anyone to be at their best after 17 hours in the air.
Cunnington was quite firmly of the opinion that the Rams' strategy was high risk and less likely to succeed because of the significant difference in daylight times. What he was pointing out was that both approaches were based on sleep science and expert advice. The 49ers' expert took the points this time.
The theory is sound, really? I've been travelling the globe for decades and I've never heard such rubbish, daylight hours rule not holding the time zone you exist in.
In my experience, the people who know what to do are the airlines, if you eat when they offer you food, if you sleep when they dim the lights, you'll be in about the best possible condition you can get. It's the Norbit's who push back and watch movies or News all night long that suffer!
As an aside, NASA have been trying this stuff for decades, the Mars lander crew live on a 25hr day so that every week is like a shift change and they operate like zombies. They do it because a Mars day is close to 24.7hrs.
When I was with News Ltd, we worked Newspaper hours, which can be anything from around the clock to 4am starts. You had to have a room setup with blockout everything just to survive, and the best time of day to play or practise sport was dawn. Most of us slept in two sessions, which before the invention of electric lighting was apparently the normal way to exist, with a 1st and 2nd sleep.
Sorry LP, but I'm going with Dr David Cunnington on this. After all, he is a sleep physician with over 20 years' experience in clinical practice.
For the record, he maintains that, for the approaches taken by the 49ers and the Rams, "Each has a rationale, and either strategy is valid." Furthermore, Allen Sills, the NFL's chief medical officer, confirmed that both teams had engaged sleep experts to formulate their approach. The Rams' followed the same strategy last year when they flew to London on the day of their game, thrashed against the Jaguars 35-7, and returned home without needing to stay in a hotel. Of course, flying to Melbourne is a different kettle of worms than flying to London.
Agree with the Rams, GTC - they didn't want to know about. Bit odd considering Australia is part of their assigned international territory.
49ers embraced it - be good to have them here again. One of their media pack has you tube of trying Australian foods - he didn't like tomato sauce, but liked Vegemite.
Apparently, there are quite a few international games - my son was saying London (3), Germany amongst other places.
The idiots chose to come a day or so before and stuffed up. Now they are looking about it.
I heard an interesting discussion on the wireless with a jet lag expert (who knew there was such a career?). The theory behind their decision to stick with their usual routine and their local timezone is sound, but the different daylight hours will get you. Of course, that meant that they weren't involved in promoting their franchise and the NFL and that was the point of the exercise.
I didn't see a lot of the game but I thought that we weren't too far off the pace. I think that we would have to be in with a decent chance when we next play Melbourne ... or North.
Lewis Young is not an instinctive or quick thinking footballer and his usual hesitation before disposing of the footy slowed down our transition and gave the opposition time to take away options. On top of that, his short kicks tended to hang in the air for too long. The less said about his kicking for goal the better.
As I said in another thread, you don’t get to play 90 AFL games without some talent and the right attitude. Lewis is a good mark and generally kills the ball when he spoils. What’s not so good is his tendency to be wrong-footed, fumble and get out-bodied. He reminds me of Sam Rowe in that my heart is in my mouth when the footy is heading in his direction but I’m often pleasantly surprised at the outcome.
I don’t think that confidence, or the presence of Weiters, is a factor. Lewis can play, but he isn’t best suited to our game style.
The return of O’Farrell, Dean living up to expectations, Derksen exceeding expectations (it was EB who suggested Wade) and Haynes turning back the clock all mean limited opportunities for Lewis in defence. As a KPF, he is clearly a defender and, although his ruckwork has improved, it’s still break glass standard.
Basically, Lewis has been squeezed out by younger, better options and the way our footy has evolved.
How much of this is officials, and how much of it is a coach?
I'm sure there are coaches who will happily burn the sport to secure a win, I suspect Norp AFLW is doing just that, while many of the other teams are doing the best they can to play a more attractive style. Norp will play attractive when the game is on the terms they accept, but when it isn't going to plan they turn it into a pile of sludge.
Think of the comments over the last season of so from both Voss and Fraser about not just wanting success but also to play an attractive brand. That is what gets +95K to the MCG, not just the chance of a win!
See, Clarkson Sacked!
Which do you think is the AFL and AFL Club priority, 95K watching a potential win or 50k watching a certainty?
Watch the game. You'll get your answer. Its got nothing to do with the coach
Yes, it was poor and inconsistent umpiring that I'm sure both teams found frustrating.
There seemed to be little communication between the umpires ... except when they had a pow wow to determine a lasso free. Something as inconsequential as an out of bounds seems to be more important than whether a player gets taken out of a marking contest or ducks into a tackle
Mandatory reporting in Victoria requires certain professionals like doctors, nurses, teachers, police, etc to report evidence or belief of child physical or sexual abuse to child protection authorities. There's no requirement to report crimes committed by children.
I see.
What happens in Vic when a minor is apprehended in a criminal act and not charged but redirected, who are they referred to?
Where I live they are referred to a specific office, an NGO that is compelled to report minors referred to them as potential abuse or neglect cases, they get a case manager immediately, it's an overwatch mechanism, every single kid that passes through the doors becomes part of the stats even if they are never charged. Whether this is right or wrong isn't the debate, what I'm getting at is how stats can vary region to region, state to state. And the whole reporting infrastructure is handled and managed by the court system.
It's the main reason for the big push Federally to set a standard, because the people I talk to tell me that at the moment quirks of reporting cause bias in the distribution of funds. Oddly, if you report more you are classified as wasting the money, and if you sweep it under the carpet you are doing a good job and get funding to extend the program.
This even applies to other types of funding, for example travel through Sleepy Hollow CBD and you see premise after premise vacant, perhaps 2/3 of premises are empty, for lease or abandoned. They build shopping malls that are state of the art and remain closed at 9:30am or 10am weekdays. Take the same drive on the other side of the bay for the Mornington Peninsula and you have to join a queue to get a premise lease, occupancy is something like 98% at the moment. Off the back of a handful of select projects the Bellarine is reported as a successful example, this is because of what they do not report. The net result is the Bellarine gets roughly 5x to 7x the per capita Federal funding relative to the other side of the bay. How people count numbers matters.
There are two separate programs/organisations. One deals with child protection (children at risk), the other with juvenile justice (children interacting with the justice system). There's bound to be crossover, but I don't believe there's coordination between the two other than at an informal level.
I was in Sleepy Hollow for a medical appointment last week and the place is buzzing; very few vacant buildings, lots of construction, hard to find a car park, and pedestrians everywhere.
CoGG has nearly twice the population of Mornington Shire, a major port, a domestic and international airport, the remnants of a once thriving manufacturing industry, agriculture, viticulture, and tourism, and is the gateway to western Victoria. It has an annual growth rate of 2.21% compared to Victoria's 1.10% and Mornington Shire's 0.80%. Of course the Bellarine is going to get more funding, regardless of which party holds the purse strings.
The perception of a bias possibly exposes a misunderstanding of the generalised mandatory reporting that is in place in Victoria, that is not the same in other states by the way, at least not yet.
I'm happy to be proven wrong, but my understanding the Vic child protection act requires it for all child or youth crime, while and the public assume mandatory reporting only means mandatory reporting of child abuse. That means in Vic the mandatory reporting laws mean mandatory reporting of all children and youths involved in crime as well, they assume a child or youth involved in crime is a victim of some circumstance.
That is not the case in all Australian states, where officers have discretion over reporting in many cases, it's one of the big Federal issues to get it all standardized in the long term. Uniforms laws and reporting across Australia, but it's not there yet.
If you are in doubt, you can always get it clarified by Bec Judd!
You're on the wrong track there LP.
Mandatory reporting in Victoria requires certain professionals like doctors, nurses, teachers, police, etc to report evidence or belief of child physical or sexual abuse to child protection authorities. There's no requirement to report crimes committed by children.
However, there are significant inconsistencies across jurisdictions when it comes to "child crime". For example, the age of criminal responsibility is 10 for Commonwealth offences and in New South Wales, Queensland, Western Australia, South Australia, Northern Territory, and Tasmania, 12 in Victoria, and 14 in the ACT. In all jurisdictions, it's still the prosecution's responsibility to prove that children under 14 could distinguish between right and wrong. From 14 to 17, children are presumed to understand right and wrong, but are subject to milder sanctions than adults.
How come when it comes to overseas politics, we are happy to discuss back and forth information/quotes from everywhere and anywhere from the other side of the world all without distinction yet in our own backyard and under our own noses unless it ticks all the boxes its dismissed.
And when it does tick all the boxes there is crickets.......
Whys that i wonder.
There's a couple of rather obvious reasons; our bozoes aren't starting wars, disrupting world trade, sending the price of fuel (and everything else) skyrocketing, or threatening to invade former allies, and, most importantly, they don't control a nuclear arsenal.
And we get to vote our bozoes in or out every three or four years.
And they don't lie about being carried away from Ground Zero by two big firemen
Then there's the fact that this thread is specifically about the senile malignant narcissist in the White House and there are other threads about local politics.
When using the ABS statistics, or those from the Victorian Crime Statistics Agency, etc, it’s worth drilling down to see what limitations there are. The States and Territories don’t necessarily collect the same data or in the same way.
With that qualification, the ABS data shows a downward trend for most crimes across all jurisdictions.
But then there’s vile crimes like child sex abuse that aren’t reported and remain at appallingly high levels.
I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that Victoria has more cars and more people than all of the other States except NSW. In fact, Queensland has a higher per capita rate of car thefts.
It's probably best to rely on ABS statistics than data provided by vested interests.
so the stats are fake are they because they are not from ABS.
ok
Yes, that's spot on. There are good reasons why most people don't trust insurance companies.
Another unwanted record under this incompetent trainwreck of a government.
I wonder if this has anything to do with the fact that Victoria has more cars and more people than all of the other States except NSW. In fact, Queensland has a higher per capita rate of car thefts.
It's probably best to rely on ABS statistics than data provided by vested interests.
