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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton


Well, that’s your opinion, and you’re welcome to it. 

Of course, you don’t have a monopoly on football wisdom and, in my humble opinion, you’re completely wrong … again!

But that’s what our site is all about.

I've got no issue with you having a different point of view.

Where do you think Vescio will place in the B+F this year?

Depends on what positions they play and what voting system is used.  If it's similar to the men, probably in the top ten or twelve.
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton


Sophie's mark, which was reminiscent of Darcy's leaps (and Darcy almost took mark of the year against Hawthorn), was set up by Darcy getting to the ball first, executing a clean pick up on the run and in traffic, and nailing the handpass to the best option in Cordner.  Without Darcy's skill and quick decision-making, Sophie doesn't get to leap for that mark. Cordner gets the goal assist but it was Darcy's work that created the opportunity.

And who had the most metres gained for us?  Fitzpatrick 360, Finn 345 and Vescio with 331.  Next best was Harrington with 319.  Darcy's rebound from defence is a critical factor in our success even if her highlights reel isn't as flashy as it was.

re bold....what you are saying is this....
Superman could only save someone from plummetting to their death if they jumped off the top of the building first. The person jumping made superman what they are today.

Anyone could've created that. Not anyone could've taken the mark.

Darcy ALMOST took a mark.....but didn't.
Darcy gave away a free kick for attempting one this week too and got nowhere near it.

I don't want to turn this into a Darcy bashing thread, because its not about that. Darcy is playing (almost) at the same level they always have.
However, everyone around Darcy has improved dramatically to the point where Daisy is a cameo player. You need good users of the ball behind the footy. Sure....but....
Darcy isn't doing the grunt work in the middle.
Darcy isn't hitting the scoreboard.
Darcy isn't taking big intercept marks in defence.

We have others doing that role and doing it very well. Its why we are 3-1 because we have a solid team who are working for eachother and all have a great level of skill and courage not seen in the team before. I think Darcy is just keeping the HB seat warm until Gab Pound returns, then we might see Darcy further up the field. I wouldn't mind her taking Duursmas spot who i think is not quite up to the rest of the teams standard at present.

Well, that’s your opinion, and you’re welcome to it. 

Of course, you don’t have a monopoly on football wisdom and, in my humble opinion, you’re completely wrong … again!

But that’s what our site is all about.
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
I watched the game. I watched a 4th gamer in Sophie McKay do things that Darcy Vescio used to do.
I watched irish girls do things Darcy Vescio used to do.
If you saw it differently, so be it.
Vescio was not in the top half players on the ground.....and there is nothing wrong with that.

Once again, i'm just pointing out how far everyone else has come, not criticising Vescio.

Sophie's mark, which was reminiscent of Darcy's leaps (and Darcy almost took mark of the year against Hawthorn), was set up by Darcy getting to the ball first, executing a clean pick up on the run and in traffic, and nailing the handpass to the best option in Cordner.  Without Darcy's skill and quick decision-making, Sophie doesn't get to leap for that mark.  Cordner gets the goal assist but it was Darcy's work that created the opportunity.

And who had the most metres gained for us?  Fitzpatrick 360, Finn 345 and Vescio with 331.  Next best was Harrington with 319.  Darcy's rebound from defence is a critical factor in our success even if her highlights reel isn't as flashy as it was.
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
I don't want to labour the point too much, but in terms of points, Vescio was the 5th lowest scorer from Carlton.
Below Darcy was...

Key forward - Bohanna
Key back - Scholz
2nd gamer irishwoman who played 21% game time - O'Connell
A player who got injured - Duursma

That's not the output of an elite player.
Thats the output of a player who once was elite and is now being swallowed up by the improving AFLW playing group.

Darcy did some good things, but the most impact they had all day happened to be transferred to Mimi Hills knee.
Not sure why Darcy felt the need to hip and shoulder Hill, but that could be very costly. Hope Hill is ok.

And that’s where watching the game gives a much better appreciation of a player’s contribution than statistics and “points”.

You can’t measure energy and impact without the ball but Darcy’s work enables others to shine.
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Another good win by the girls, particularly after the Bulldogs threw out a pretty strong challenge.

Sophie McKay has played four games and her shoulders have got more tape on them the Crippa normally wears.  What's going on there?

She played well though with two nice goals and a ripper mark.

Edmonds dominated the hitouts and they controlled the centre bounces but we smashed them in stoppage clearances.  Lots of our players chipped in too.

Good signs  :)
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton


I wouldn’t say that Darcy is a run of the mill player.  She’s not as athletic as she was and the youngsters are improving their skills each season.  What Darcy has, and is standing her in good stead in her backline role, is footy nous in spades.  While the improvement in skills is continuing to build, most AFLW players are formulaic rather than instinctive.  That will change as the game grows but, for the moment, it gives Darcy an edge.

Have you seen Darcy lately? There isn't much to get excited about.
Fumbles, can't stay on their feet.
Brain is quick, absolutely. Body less so. Skills no longer stand out. Size wise, Darcy is now one of the smallest out there.
Age catches up with everyone, injuries too, but Darcy 2025 is not one of the first picked in our team.

Hill, Abby, Keeley x2, Guerin, Bree are our best.
Then you throw in Good, Bohanna, Cordner, Finn, Ronny who are all offering more.
Thats half a side before we get to Darcy.
Darcy is average, in an average side.
That doesn't mean they are no good and need to be sacked.
But AA calibre, no longer.

Actually, yes, I have watched Darcy quite closely and her footy nous more than makes up for her drop in athleticism.  Pay attention to her positioning, providing help defence, setting blocks, getting a hand in to cause a miskick, and making good use of her possessions. 

Darcy hasn't been close to AA standard since 2023 but she always attracts a strong opponent and her work helps her now more prominent teammates to shine.
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
You want to see how far the AFLW comp has come in its 8 years or so.
Darcy Vescio won the league goal kicking award in its first season, 2017 and again in 2021. (Probably should name it after Vescio as a result!)
Now Darcy is a run of the mill player in an average side.

The talent growth has been amazing, and will get better.

I wouldn’t say that Darcy is a run of the mill player.  She’s not as athletic as she was and the youngsters are improving their skills each season.  What Darcy has, and is standing her in good stead in her backline role, is footy nous in spades.  While the improvement in skills is continuing to build, most AFLW players are formulaic rather than instinctive.  That will change as the game grows but, for the moment, it gives Darcy an edge.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
His  wife is traumatised. I had a friend who had his home invaded, keys taken and car stolen. Whilst they were upstairs and werent confronted, and only woke up when they hear the car driving off, his wife hasnt been the same since (this was years ago). Its utterly abhorrent.

According to Mick, Nanette was traumatised when she saw the three crooks running away and no sign of Mick.  She assumed the worst, as you would.

The maximum penalty for home invasion/aggravated burglary is 25 years.  Sentencing rules mean that is rarely applied and actual sentences imposed are closer to a "standard sentence" and are usually well below the maximum penalty.  There are complex arguments about sentencing and sentencing guidelines but, when a particular type of crime traumatises the victims and causes general anxiety in the community, I think that the guidelines need to be adjusted, even if only on a temporary basis.  In other words, make the defence put forward a case to reduce their client's sentence down to a minimum ten years.
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
Yes, it's a big change this week, Good has really been doing well negating the more athletic type rucks, and Breann has been very good in F50 as a reliable marking target from the turnovers we create. It would be sort of robbing Peter to pay Paul to take Breann out of F50, so I suspect we'll start the new girl and let our strong midfield do it's job sharking the ruck work.

Bucky has shown that he's not afraid to throw the team around with Bree having stints on the ball, Tara Bohanna taking ruck contests, and new defender, Darcy Vescio, bobbing up in the forward line.

Edmonds will have a significant height advantage so it will be a first up challenge for Maddison. 
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
Malthouse had intruders come in and threaten him in his house overnight, this has to be stopped. Nuffs enuff. This is what we should all be protesting about every weekend, f a r k  Gaza!!! Lets worry about our own s h i t show here.

I heard Mick on the wireless yesterday morning.

He has shingles and wasn’t sleeping.  He heard a noise in their apartment just after midnight.  He went to investigate, taking a weight training object with him and confronted three men, one with a crowbar and one with a screwdriver.

They retreated down the stairs and all four ended up in the basement.  Mick managed to take the crowbar so it was one vs three but the one had two weapons to one.  The intruders were trying to get out but couldn’t open the door.  Mick got them away from the door, opened it, and allowed them to leave.  As they ran past, the bloke with the screwdriver struck Mick in the chest, causing a small wound.  Although Mick didn’t say so specifically, I got the impression that he was giving them Larry Dooley with the weight training object (he described it as a heavy rubber-covered metal bar that he was given when he was playing for St Kilda) and the crowbar.  Not bad for a 72 year old!

Mick did say that the crooks would have been in real trouble if other residents had been home.

When I did self defence training, our instructor said never pick up a weapon because the crooks may get it and use it against you.  However, I suspect Mick may have been in more trouble if he had been empty handed.
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 4: Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Carlton
We'll miss Jess Good, her presence around the ground has been outstanding.  Of course, Brea Harrington can do much the same and it will be interesting to see how young Maddison Torpey goes.  She is a good size for an AFLW ruck.

Good to see Erone Fitzpatrick named in the side.  Her injury last week must have just been a stinger.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Annus horribilis


AI should peruse the CBA before it responds.

There is one reference to "restructure" in  the CBA and that is about having "revised Standard Playing Contract templates in operation by 1 November 2023."

Of course contracts can be varied, but not willy nilly.  Assuming that players will simply agree to their club's request to postpone or bring forward payments is naive.

You might want to tell your mate that.

I never assumed anything. I said it was possible and easy enough to do.
Of course a player needs to approve, that goes without saying.
If you explain to the player why you want to do it, i'm sure there wouldn't be a whole lot who say NO.
Even then, you don't have to do it to everyone.
If its done right, nobody even has to know that you're doing it. Simply front load contracts from the get-go rather than restructure contracts.

Of course contracts are front- or back-loaded to ease TPP pressures but you certainly don’t front-load all contracts.  Nick Haynes’ GWS contract was back-loaded to fit in with when they had extra TPP capacity.

The bottom line is that it’s fanciful to think that St Kilda is able to spend 20% of its TPP on two players because x number of players agreed to contract variations.

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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 3: Carlton vs Brisbane in Qld
Great win. Others have highlighted great points. IMO confidence, decision making, connection, and composure are developing very nicely. The girls stand to gain further having experienced a milestone win 🙌

It was interesting that Darcy Vescio called it a special win.  I think that’s an astute observation.

It was also interesting to hear Darcy talk about 3/4 time against Hawthorn and how the girls believed that they could win.  Of course, we didn’t win, but that self-belief from the girls is a huge positive step.