Distancing myself from the SOS favourite son at Carlton argument:
1. Only got the job as he was mates with Ross Lyon. 2. For all his work at GWS, they only came good once he left. 3. Brought a bunch of Ex GWS players he drafted to Carlton and they were all pretty ordinary. 4. Is repeating the pattern of bringing across players he drafted despite paying less for them than he did on draft day. Would Jack Carroll, Paddy Dow get a game anywhere else? I suppose they are low risk high reward. Liam Stocker goes ok. 5. Is reaching for players and paying a high price i.e. Tom De Koning. What has he done to earn such a price tag (recruiting free agents is good business regardless as it costs you nothing but salary cap). 6. Is looking after his son and paying him overs for the contract.
He isnt bad at his job, but Im not sure how chuffed I would be with him, and I think had he not been a silvagni we would likely label him a bit of a failure.
He will make big moves. He will make things happen.
What are all the big moves he has made at the saints apart from possibly this year?
He would do better if he removed the gigantic pole he has stuck up his ar5e.
Thing is, so did Richmond's in 2016 after 3 years in the EF. So did the Pies List manager who were 17th in 2017 as well. Melbourne missed finals in 2020 and Goodwin just survived. Our's also had an unlucky miss in 2022, PF in 2023 and 2nd place at round 20 last until before decimated by injury. We do need a few odd changes to keep with the current game but hopefully now we are on to that. We need players with good footskills and footy IQ, Evan's has a heap of that. Not going to Cyril but will be good to have around. Had a great VFL year, took his time to find his feet in our AFL side, especially trying to be a small forward at Carlton (what a rotten job that is) but eventually it clicked. Gold Coast game certainly wasn't a dead rubber for the Suns. They were full on, and Evan's was great, couldn't have been better. You can only do what you can with what's in front of you, and he has been great since he come back, especially given by then he was able to gel with teammates.
Im not anti giving Frank another year but I wouldnt be giving him 2-3..... we are where we are for a reason and Wright has determined its not the coach and says we need better players and more depth so changes have to happen. Id be replacing the List manager but that seems unlikely..
Agree with a short extension only as like you said until he proves he can do it on a live game against decent opposition he only gets one year.
However I must say there is something about this bloke i like - he has real energy when he is involved and looks to play for the jumper. His game against GC was very impressive as that game did have something riding on it for them. Could become a bit of a cult hero if he can continue that sort of form into 2026.
His biggest quality is his ability to spot and then be able to hit a forward target -which as we all know this has always been an area we are well below par in. And yes while the last month is not as important as when the games mean something its still nice to see as blokes like Durdin, Hollands and Acres still spray em and kick straight to opposition regardless, so i was very impressed with that aspect of Evans game.
He is one of the few that can kick accurately, both at goal and kicking inside 50. Bullet pass to Williams. Who converts nicely from close to the boundary.
yes agree. he uses the ball well and one of a very few i trust to spot up a target inside 50
The 2 of them have been involved in senior coaching for close to 25 years combined and never made it past a PF. Not many professions where you can fail for that long and still be wanted.
94% of coaches fail every year.
Some of those coaches who fail continually don't have the list to make it to finals, nevermind a prelim or a GF.
Before the season we made the prelim, not many were thinking it was possible. NOBODY was thinking it was possible when we were 7 goals down to GC in R12 or whatever it was when we were bottom 4.
We've tried 'successful coaches' in Malthouse and Pagan. That guarantees you nothing. You want to try them all?
My point is if you are going to give Voss a right hand man invest in one that has tasted the ultimate success. It can still fail as it did with Pagan and Malthouse but i cant justify going with a guy that has been in the system for 15 years and yet to get past a PF.
If looking at experienced coaches prefer Longmire, Simpson even Goodwin types or go with a new guy that may be the next McCrae or Clarkson.
I think he would do ok as a Head of Football but would be better at another club rather than reconnecting with his old mate Voss. Id prefer some fresh ideas from someone different rather than the "Port Adelaide model" being reheated.. Bartel would be better imo and the rumour is they offered the job and big money to Danny Daly from Brisbane but he wants to be a senior coach and thats probably unfair to Voss to have a coach in waiting at the club. From that point of view Id prefer Bartel and even Hinkley just to give Voss some breathing space...
I think Hinkley is probably about as good as we can get.
Has an existing relationship with Voss. Has more experience than you will likely find. Is not 'out of date' having been coaching currently. Is not a yes man and will call a spade a spade......something we at Carlton don't like hearing, but NEED to hear more often.
Whats not to like?
The 2 of them have been involved in senior coaching for close to 25 years combined and never made it past a PF. Not many professions where you can fail for that long and still be wanted.
His confidence is probably shot and he's playing dead games at the end of the worst season in years. Under the circumstances he's doing ok. Some more goals would be nice but he's not exactly getting quality delivery or any support whatsoever. None.
Im so over the outs and excuses we give professional footballers in the peak of their career who are on annual salaries their mates take 10 years to earn yet we baby them wrap them in cotton wool make excuses. Harry is a highly paid former coleman medalist who misses most years providing value for our investment. We say he struggles under the pressures of AFL well the pressure is well and truly off this year and after playing only half the games for the season for non injury reasons, you would think he would be chomping at the bit to end the season on the biggest high possible and give back to his employer everything he can on what was a massive failure again in 2025 for the whole organisation.
As a club will are likely to finish 14th! We need a concerted mindset change at this club if we want to ever compete again at the pointy end and blokes who for whatever reason are not mentally up for it, need to find a new occupation and off our payroll.
Sorry if i sound negative but I'm over the excuses and over failing year after year after year.
harry tackling may seem a positive but means very little to me. you just have to watch the game not get subdued by the stat sheet. You wont find a weaker unreliable injury prone or less imposing coleman medalist in the history of the afl.
His tackles wouldnt hurt a butterfly.
Hes kicking is so unreliable you can only laugh at it. he doesnt even know where the ball is going. Amazing to think hes a key forward and his job is to kick goals and to be a physical presence is mind boggling.
We try just not able to go with teams when they get into gear or change the way the game is being played. No answers no reponse. Nothing. Voss has one game plan and thats it.
And can i say if Harry has any trade value left we need to offload this guy now. A Poodle has more presence then this bloke. Now can you be 6 foot 10 and play such a timid way.
He would have to be the least physically impossing tall forward in the game.
Our list is generally consists of contested hard working types that possess below average foot speed, below average skills in particular by foot and mentally weak as well it has to be said.
Its a list that can beat the odd good team but wont ever have the necessary qualities to go deep into a season beating the better teams in big pressure moments. Yes we scrapped in winning 2 finals in 2023 but look at the opposition on those days the luck we had in the dying seconds. That year was the worst thing that could have happened to this group. We would have been hammered by pies if we beat loins in the PF. Haven't got close since.
Add in a coaching group that is not up to latest trends and tactics and that's why we sit 5 games and percentage out of the 8 with still 4 matches to go.
We need an influx of players who are quick and can hit targets consistently. The top 4 teams have plenty of them i don't think we have 1 and losing Jack who is not our worst by foot and TDK who is quick is going to compound the issue.
Staggering to think there are those who still believe minor changes will get us storming back up into contention. Wright would have seen enough and i expect major changes in the trade period.
If Patrick Voss tried to punch one of our blokes, slot him right back. Or put a knee/fist in during a marking contest, that's apparently a "football act". Enough's enough
We didnt even back a retiring legend like doc. that speaks volumnes of the lack of character and hardness of this list. They are mentally and physically as soft as butter and wont amount to anything.
