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A malignant narcissist with frontotemporal dementia ... and the nuclear codes
An Australian politician can lose their job for accepting a bottle of wine as a gift.
Meanwhile, Taco, his family and his cabinet are flat out squeezing every cent they can out of merchandise, insider trading, concessions from foreign governments, and anything else they can make a buck from.
So turn the heat down we can do what vicpol did and buy some machete bins?
Shawny and I have gone head to head on a few football related matters, but none of it is personal. Political tends to be a bit more personal, because frankly, government action (or inaction) impacts everyone a little differently depending on what walk of life you and your loved ones are in.
Personally, a major government failing, is spending a lot of money, and effort to give the appearance of doing something, without actually achieving anything. Lots of it motivated by optics, and less about outcomes. The machete bins are a fan favourite of mine, because they represent my previous argument better than I can make it. A lot of money pilfered away reactively to a couple of incidents, and an exercise in tokenism at best.
Not to enforce change, not to enforce any sort of law enforcement. Whats the difference between a machete, an axe and a meat cleaver? Hell, it could be a golf club or a cricket bat too. Degrees of injury for each item, and also deadliness, but ultimatley the person wielding it is the issue (yes that applies to guns, but guns are a little more regulated than any other item ive mentioned here).
This is government agnostic too and event agnostic. There were degrees of stupidity regarding all things government, but lately things have gotten a bit ridiculous.
Its a football forum where fake news, rumours and innuendo reside comfortably and multiply in number because its all part of the landscape of public forums. It seems we can all agree and disagree on football matters and none of it is taken too seriously and posters move on but Politics seems to be a sensitive topic that is extra divisive.
I understand this thread was created to enable @shawny to post his political views here without cross posting on pretty much every thread. No different to the RedTrump thread, of the EV thread, they are nothing more than a filing cabinet? But even so, that doesn't give license to anyone to post fake news or false claims without opportunity for others to redress.
So how are we being intolerant?
FWIW I enjoy Shawny postings and see nothing fake about what he draws attention too and Political Parties do get elected in many cases imo based on the personalities/leadership/selling of rather than the policies.
eg How many people could tell you what One Nations major Policies were? but I bet they could tell you who is their leader and what was his/her previous employment...
Jacinta Allan was democratically elected to Parliament as the member for Bendigo East but became Premier as she was chosen unopposed as Leader of the Labor Party after Andrews stepped down. She wasnt elected as Premier Elect initially which I think is the point Shawny was trying to make.
Sorry DJC i know you get quite annoyed at any reference of the man but the irony is too much to ignore.@Shawny My concerns are genuine, you are on a self-destructive course fueled by social media fantasies, false claims and errors in fact. What if any valid points you make are lost in a blanket of subterfuge. Fantasies which you defend vigorously. It's a sign you're heading towards becoming the next Desi or Richard, and that is why my concerns are genuine. I've seen others go down this path, it never ends well.
People won't debate fantasy because those who profligate fantasy just grow the fantasy and bend it to suit perceptions and ignore or abuse those who often have done nothing more than offer reality as a measure of fact or fantasy. Even as the fantasies become more fantastical, the facts remain the same.
I can't or won't debate fantasies, but I'm free to never hesitate in pointing out errors, false claims or outright lies, which can be done with simple rudimentary facts.
Australian Government, Federal and State, is elected under the Westminster System. A system built on transparency, accountability and legality, even those matters held in camera area available to the review and debate of their peers, As such our political leaders are not autocrats, and they have no means of becoming autocratic. They answer to the public, they are elected by the public, and their political parties live and die by their performance. These are hard facts, not fantasy.
You're disingenuous, basically projecting your own behaviour, except as a tactic you are rubbish at it.
Thread about a past player?
The post you replied to was originally relating to the 15Billion debarkle and then shifted to whos names appear on voting papers, hence the reference to off topic.
i get its a specialty of those who cant keep on the topic of local matters when it doesnt suit their political views.
Its there for all to see 🤓
Everyone engaged in the Peter Dean bashing thread and this thread knows you're making a goose of yourself. What we don't know if it's you being deliberate to cross post and wind people up, or if you are just genuinely naive, chaotic and erratic.
But the more you post it becomes clearer and clearer you have little to say that is worth reading, you're painting yourself as either a rock thrower, sufferer of Dunning Kruger syndrome or genuinely detached from reality.
Don't go postal, get help, you genuinely need help I'm not joking.
I think you know what i meant. every bit of advertising leafouts hand outs shows the leaders face.
blind freddie knows who the leaders are.
anyhow as usual we have gotten off the subject so thats it from me.
But you said that the current State government wasn’t democratically elected.
anyhow as usual we have gotten off the subject so thats it from me.So in a political thread discussing state politics elections are off topic, while in a thread about a past player being bashed in a car jacking in NSW we have to talk state politics!
Sure, we understand!
Why is their name on the ballot formUnless you were in Allens or Andrews seat their names weren't on your ballot form.
if your not electing the leader?
Nobody elects a poltician to be a Premier, Treasurer or any other position, those positions are the result of an internal party vote as are casual vacanies in the Legilstative Council. We do not have a Republic or President.
Allan was not elected 'by the people' to govern the state. Andrews was. She was then 'elected' by the party which was my point.
In the Legislative Council(Upper House) you might well think you are voting for a person, but you are really voting for a party.
For the Legislative Assembly(Lower House), you vote locally for your local member, those who first win locally become candidates for the party to elect to senior positions.
Nice try at deflecting.
How people accept this absolute bloody disgrace corrupt bunch of criminals that just happens to be in charge of running our state - running it into the ground astounds me.
And my comparsion to US politics and the obsession with everything that happens on the other side of the world is very relevant and if comparing that to the corrupt government we have here just happens to trigger you well so be it.
Im fking triggered at the corrupt spending of 15 BILLION dollars of OUR money.
15 billion in case you didnt know is 15 thousand MILLION and yet not one comment about your thoughts on this situation.
i wonder why that is ?😏
I'm still waiting for you to have a crack at Chris Minns for the scumbag who kinghit Peter Dean being dealt with under the Young Offenders Act
If you're triggered by headlines, you probably should delve a little deeper, and I don't mean listening to influencer podcasts.
First of all the Allan Government doesn't "just happen to be in charge", they were democratically elected and, when you consider the rabble that's supposed to be the opposition, it's easy to see why. The opposition at national level is worse, if anything, and Malcolm Turnbull's description of their incoming leader as the “best qualified idiot” is spot on. It's funny how politicians often make more sense after they retire.
Secondly, the allegations, and that's all they are at this stage, were set out in a draft report by barrister Geoffrey Watson SC. The draft report detailed the results of an investigation into CFMEU criminality and corruption commissioned by CFMEU administrator Mark Irving KC. As I'm sure you know, Irving was appointed by the Commonwealth Government to clean up the CFMEU. The report isn't a public document and is the property of the CFMEU. When Irving read the draft, he directed Watson to delete two sections alleging that the Allan government knew of the CFMEU aggression and corruption, that Watson estimated cost Victorian taxpayers $15 billion, because he (Irving) was “not satisfied that they were well-founded or properly tested”. That's the opinion of a King's Council and one of the most senior and respected industrial relations lawyers in the country, not a half-baked politician or shock jock.
Watson is p1ssed off that his allegations have been discarded but he recently said the government “would be mad to get rid of Mark Irving" and “I’ve worked for Irving for two years now, and I’ve never met a more honest or decent man … I can tell you, everything he did was opposed to corruption and was in favour of fixing the CFMEU.”
I think that scuttles any suggestion that Irving's rejection of the $15 billion corruption allegations was politically motivated or in any way intended to protect politicians or CFMEU operatives.
It's possible that the CFMEU did cost Victorian taxpayers $15 billion, or perhaps even $30 billion. Heads should roll if the CFMEU cost Victorian taxpayers any funds above and beyond legitimate construction costs, and I don't just mean Allan and the relevant Ministers. There's a raft of people - bureaucrats, police, regulators, auditors, union officials, opposition leader, shadow ministers, etc - who should be taking action at the slightest whiff of misuse of public funds and union corruption.
For the record, I don't think much of our democratically elected State Government; they're tired, short on talent, running out of ideas and money and desperately need a spell in opposition. Sadly for Victoria and Victorians, the alternative government is no better after such a promising start by John Pesutto. While I admire him for taking on the fascists, he wasn't very smart in the way that he went about it.
@Shawny, you are very anti-labour, which is your right.
However, do you think liberals are all squeeky clean with no skeletons in the closet?
Everyone is corrupt
That was so funny - you should join the Labour party.
They pay clowns well
You really need a hug man xo
Nice try at deflecting.
How people accept this absolute bloody disgrace corrupt bunch of criminals that just happens to be in charge of running our state - running it into the ground astounds me.
And my comparsion to US politics and the obsession with everything that happens on the other side of the world is very relevant and if comparing that to the corrupt government we have here just happens to trigger you well so be it.
Im fking triggered at the corrupt spending of 15 BILLION dollars of OUR money.
15 billion in case you didnt know is 15 thousand MILLION and yet not one comment about your thoughts on this situation.
i wonder why that is ?😏
It’s because DJC gets a trailing commission…
😎
