Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on May 17, 2026, 03:10:55 pm

I guess where we differ is our opinion of the list, I think its terrible, slow, poorly skilled, unbalanced, wrong age profile/games played for a bottom team and built for a gameplan that Noah designed before he built the ark. The sacking of Agresta and Austin would tell me that Wright isnt convinced either and wants changes and im sorry but Id be trading Cripps and a couple of others while they have value. A few sugar hit wins like we saw with David Teague just wallpapers some massive cracks imo and leads us to another false dawn . I want a rebuild of the list, draft picks to help fix it and a List Manager who knows what he is doing.
To me making a wildcard final game would be the worst result as the club would think it has the list moving forward and  the cycle will start again and another coach will have his head on a stick outside ikon park in a couple of years.
Strip it all back, new coach, new captain, new leadership group, new List Manager and do it right...

EB I'd be ecstatic to make a Mickey Mouse wildcatrd final but we MUST NOT lose sight of the fact there is much work to do. That work is motion now and must not be deviated from no matter what the season ends up looking like. Your last sentence is it in a nutshell whether we win all, some or none of the remaining games. Wright and Davies arent dumb.

Quote from: PaulP – on May 17, 2026, 03:07:17 pm

I tend to agree.

Yes
I also agree
The point is that Voss's departure is being framed as a 'sacking' rather than a failure to renew a contract.
Now, you can argue "little difference" ...the end result is the same.
But there is a difference... in terms of who determined the timing of that decision.
We will write that the club determined that timing, and over the years that will become "we sacked Voss midway through the year," when in fact the timing and method of his departure was determined by Voss.
He went out on his terms, at a time of his choosing.
Which version do you think he would prefer?

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on May 17, 2026, 03:10:55 pm

Strip it all back, new coach, new captain, new leadership group, new List Manager and do it right...

And that is the recipe we've been following since Parko retired 

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on May 17, 2026, 12:08:02 pm

I thought our contested work was better than theirs and we slowed the game down later in the game by holding onto the ball and not trying to run with it to limit turnovers. It was the same game style imo but with a different finishing style but it was  again based around stoppage goals or free kick goals but not much system.
A win is a win and you take the  4 points but the big picture for me is rebuilding the list and getting better draft picks so winning is a short term view and I'd rather we just blood youngsters like Port are doing and finish we where we need to so we get max benefit at draft time.

I dunno about that method EB. I prefer we build a winning culture still get Walker and maybe attract a decent FA - the list is not anywhere near as bad as our ladder position IMO.

Get games into the 6 kids that played yesterday and add Walker to that and our young talent is more than ok.

Just for our culture I dont want to lose Cripps and a bottom 2 finish regardless of a few extra low picks will make it hard for him to want to stay and no chance of attracting talent in via a trade.

Get 8-9 wins finish 11th-12th and we will be viewed very differently internally and externally if we win 2 more games and finish bottom 2-3. Our club needs wins to be spirit and the winning culture much more IMO then an extra early pick or 2.

     

Are we rating the performance based on our own biases.
Those that supported Voss seem to think we did nothing different...suggesting we would have won anyway
Those who wanted him moved on are pointing out areas where they thought we changed things up.
There's an argument for both.

I don't think there were major differences to our performance from our game last week.
But I do think it was a more even performance across the game, and even those who didn't exactly shine contributed.

The thing is there was very little time to change things up too much given the short period of time between Voss's departure and the game.
I suspect that's why we didn't see wholesale changes to the team or the way we played.
The inclusion of Jack was the only change from a team that ran Brisbane close...and that was fair enough.
The VFL had a good win and  number of players put forward a claim for selection yesterday...so we may see something different next week....or not.
At any rate we did something we haven't done much this year...and that's win a game and get 4 points.

Quote from: kruddler – on May 17, 2026, 09:35:16 am

Did we really play that much better than last week?

To me it was similar output, only difference was the opposition were not as good.

omg lol

One of the worst ever games to watch, it was a horrible spectacle on so many fronts. However, knew we were home when Ison kicked his goal.

Some of the young guys didn't look completely out of their depth, Florent played his best game for us thus far and Cowan was back to his absolute mongrel best. 

Not getting carried away, as Elwood said, the Dogs were ripe for the picking and we still had some players who were passengers yet again.

The one thing that stood out for me was Jagga & Ison embracing at the end, there is a nucleus of good young guys who have a camerarderie that will be the building block for the future.

I wonder how MV is feeling right about now...

Ben C lacks toe which is an issue.  Umpiring - especially HTB - was dreadful all day, umps clueless on what to pay.

I didn't hear Murphys suggestion, but if i was to guess at why he was suggesting it, it would be because its in bad taste. Dancing on the grave of Vossy.