Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on May 28, 2026, 01:49:33 pm

Agree....I think its all been part of a plan engineered last season by Wright, even down to Fraser being the caretaker and the timing of his initial appointment. Why wasnt the senior assistant in Hansen caretaker? Much like Soloman going from board member to Assistant, Brad Scott would have known the writing was on the wall with that appointment and I reckon Voss would have had the same thoughts with Fraser. The club winning a few on the trot under Voss would have made the timing and decision to move him on awkward and more questions being asked. Im not a Voss spruiker but he was played like a piano this past 12 months as the Management played their games and had their fallguy in place and he would have been smart enough to have figured what was going on but forced to play along and I'll give him credit for his demeanor because he never arced up or questioned his position publically even though he knew he was finished in the role.

That's the question....
What is Wright's plan?
What's driving some of these decisions.

I reckon we dismiss some of them too easily.
Isn't the 'easy option' to look at the decision and think "Same old same old. Nothing changes.".... without considering why those decisions were made.
The problem is we're not always given access to all the reasoning behind a sacking or a failure to extend, so we fill the void.

I don't think there is an easy option when you're looking at not continuing with a coach.
Clubs won't just look at the W/L
They'll look at the reasons why that win/loss is poor.
Is it a list problem?
Is it the game style?
They'll look at coach/player dynamics.
How does the coach perform on match-day?

They'll look at the financial consequences in terms of sponsorship and membership.
They'll consider the media and the consequences for the club brand
They'll consider future options...Is the coach they want available?

But sometimes it's as simple as...there is a grander plan afoot that just needs some time to implement, that involves a total overhaul of a number of positions.

I don't believe that supporter pressure was as big a factor as some might believe in the Voss decision.
He still had a strong level of backing amongst supporters.

Supporter opposition was not at the level that demanded a change.
Many thought he was in a no/win situation...even set up to fail.
Some were still fully supportive.
Many still wanted to see how the season panned out.

But I personally think it was all pre-determined.
He was never going to be extended.
The language of him "continuing into 2026" was pretty much an indication that he wasn't going to be renewed beyond the end of this season.
There is a plan afoot, and I'm sure there will be aspects of it we won't all like and will criticize, especially if it affects our favourites.
But it will happen.
Most of the off-field carnage is done. No doubt the list will be next area of focus.

Irrespective of the change in season, there are a couple of things to consider.

As the season wore on, with the roles changing, and different personnel getting more amongst it, we were always going to improve  as the season wore on.  Guys like Ainsworth, Hayward and Florent are living in Melbourne for the first time in ages (if at all).  As their routine settles, so will their performances.   Likewise, the absence of certain individuals means we were growing accustomed to not having someone like Charlie, JSOS and TDK around.  Some of the other players were also well down on form, and as we know in sports form is fickle.  It can turn quickly.

The dead cat bounce is also a thing.  The coach going clears the air in a way that can only be cleared by backing the coach in (dont tell me Vossy was backed in, Im not having that, everyone could see it was win or else, so the players probably felt additional pressure to perform.  They couldnt stand up, we generally wilt under pressure, thats the club culture.  It stems from taking the easy way out and sacking coaches so the cycle becomes self fulfilling.

Finally, we are having a patch where we beat a very wounded bulldogs, who are playing under manned.  Despite this they remain plucky and that win was better than advertised, but would it have come without the dead cat bounce?  We cant know.  Port dont want to win.  Sure they kind of want it, but they dont, there is no gain in it for them, because when Butters goes at the end of the season, they will go backwards again so reading anything into that match is fraught with danger.

Ergo, any turnaround statistically in the midst of this season, is a furphy, and largely we were building towards it anyway.  Tomorrow will tell us a lot more, but our next few matches pit us against West Coast and the Bombers.  We were a real chance of going 4 and 1 before a ball was kicked in all those matches, with or without the coach change.

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on May 27, 2026, 04:25:32 pm

The captain couldn't get a kick, couldn't run out a game, couldn't lay a tackle under Voss, wouldn't commit to the club but suddenly is in brownlow form under Fraser? Weitering has played crape all year, Hewett dropped. The dressing room was a mess under Voss last season and hasn't improve much IMHO and same with Scott at Essendon. I'm not interested in almost, maybes, led at half times etc etc..its been a debacle of a season and everyone knew how it was going to end except now the senior players want to try under Fraser and help the kids but will wins actually mess up our draft hand?If I'm Voss is be asking where was that effort and application to task when I needed it?

Speculation Your Honour.

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on May 27, 2026, 02:37:55 pm

Wright wanted him gone, senior players wouldn't play for him....ditto Scott at Essendon ....

Which senior players? The ones that left? The ones that were dropped? The ones he brought back into the 1's?
The ones who almost won us the game against the lions?

They played pretty well for him while he was there at the end, just couldn't get over the line.

Quote from: PaulP – on May 27, 2026, 12:43:39 pm

Over the last 6 weeks, No 1 ball movement team in the competition. No 1 scoring team out of their D50, 3rd most uncontested marks, use the 45 degree kick 3rd most in the competition.

I said similar in that i didnt think anything had changed between our Lions game and dogs game.
Now Jagga backed that up in the post match interview
And
Stats back that up too.

Any people who wanted vossy sacked care to weigh in on these revelations?

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on May 24, 2026, 09:50:15 am

Port are tanking, strange moves, odd selections. Good to win for sure but perspective required and the Voss vs Fraser comparison is silly, I think Voss could have coached both games with the same result.
The big change for me has been Cripps form , suddenly he has 4th quarter energy and is back to brownlow form?

EB sorry mate but cant agree with this one. You were equally positive in the pre game threads of the north pies saints melb and maybe even a few more games tipping us to bounce back and win

We fell apart the same way and lost all of them so im not as confident as you that the last 2 weeks would have been wins if everything stayed the same.

Anyhow the one thing beyond dispute is the changes in game plan use of ball going into 50, lowering the eyes, lower kicks kicking to advantage and keeping control of the ball out of defensive 50. the predictable long kicks to the wings are not anywhere near as common as they were.

We are finally beating the teams we should beat. I said all along the list is mid table imo so i expect to beat the bottom tier teams, 50/50 ratio with the mid tier and push the top teams.

Be interesting to see next week if we revert back to the contested style as Geelong is one team it worked well against.

Finally heard Haywood in an interview on sen the main difference with Fraser is he is massive on the fundamentals and not over thinking or over complicating things but purely focus on doing the basics the best you can.

Also love someone to challenge Kane on if he still thinks Cripps is finished as a footballer. Could get 9 brownlow votes in last 3 weeks. Last night after the game he criticised the port coaches for not putting more time into him. unbelievable.

Port weren't fair dinkum last night. Butters on a HBF, turn it up.
Lets see what happens next week against a serious side in Geel next week.

HOF playing later this season is great for us and the kid.

Quote from: Baggers – on May 21, 2026, 09:14:08 am

A very different 'parting of the ways' to the usual straight forward sacking. And that takes some time to get our collective heads around. The senior coach tendered his resignation, which was accepted. The senior coach was/is loved & respected by players and all staff at PP. Everyone from the club speaks highly, publicly, of Vossy. This is not normal for many who need to have a good guy and bad guy. Everyone's a good guy in this unique scenario. Heads explode! And some busy themselves, still, hunting for a guilty party in all this. Newsflash: it's done, time to move on.

Perhaps.

The same style press release was issued in regards to Austin....yet within the week he was seeking legal action to sue the club for sacking him.

So the club has proven to tell porky pies, on the same day no less, so is it plausible that they told 2 'lies' on the same day? Absolutely.
Regardless, i think its more like...."You are done here. You choose how you want to go out." Vossy chose that way.

Yes, its all done and dusted. Thats not the story though.

The story is the guys who pulled the trigger......or accepted the resignation after pointing a gun to his head.
Did they do the right thing.
As above, PR spin is working wonderfully.....except the austin part.....but was it actually the right decision? Time will tell.....but most likely not reveal itself at all, look at the past 25 years of coaches.

I said the week before Vossy was sacked that i expected a few more wins in the coming weeks, this being the most likely. Next week being also likely.
So he's timing was off, he may have saved himself, but it appears the decision was already made, so there was no point.

Thanks EB - when discussing discretionary trusts, it is probably important to distinguish them!  Without having looked at this, I assume that the recipients of distributions would receive the franking credit?

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on May 19, 2026, 05:39:12 pm

Gentleman Jim and Albo will want a piece of that inheritance money. They want to pillage Discretionary trusts and bring in a death tax by default. A lot of small business people who use DTs for distributing income  as well as will money when appropriate will get hit and switching to a fixed trust is going to cost you tax and stamp duty in some cases. Albo tried to explain it but doesn't have a clue and most of the real wealthy won't be affected...

Your last 1/2 sentence is the only correct bit of all that, the rest is hysteria.