Port are tanking, strange moves, odd selections. Good to win for sure but perspective required and the Voss vs Fraser comparison is silly, I think Voss could have coached both games with the same result. The big change for me has been Cripps form , suddenly he has 4th quarter energy and is back to brownlow form?
EB sorry mate but cant agree with this one. You were equally positive in the pre game threads of the north pies saints melb and maybe even a few more games tipping us to bounce back and win
We fell apart the same way and lost all of them so im not as confident as you that the last 2 weeks would have been wins if everything stayed the same.
Anyhow the one thing beyond dispute is the changes in game plan use of ball going into 50, lowering the eyes, lower kicks kicking to advantage and keeping control of the ball out of defensive 50. the predictable long kicks to the wings are not anywhere near as common as they were.
We are finally beating the teams we should beat. I said all along the list is mid table imo so i expect to beat the bottom tier teams, 50/50 ratio with the mid tier and push the top teams.
Be interesting to see next week if we revert back to the contested style as Geelong is one team it worked well against.
Finally heard Haywood in an interview on sen the main difference with Fraser is he is massive on the fundamentals and not over thinking or over complicating things but purely focus on doing the basics the best you can.
Also love someone to challenge Kane on if he still thinks Cripps is finished as a footballer. Could get 9 brownlow votes in last 3 weeks. Last night after the game he criticised the port coaches for not putting more time into him. unbelievable.
Shawny, Its a forum for opinion and you could well be right on list and coach. I did tip the team to rebound a few times as I thought the players might lift for the coach given they knew his position was on the line but they showed no spirit and let me down. The Timing playing a injury hit Bulldogs and a tanking Port has helped Fraser imo and players being let off the leash is what David Teague did so Im not sold on Fraser being any type of genius .Far easier to coach with no pressure or goals set other than to play kids and hope a few show something imho. As you know I wasnt and am still not an advocate for Voss as a senior coach but his position and ending was a calculated plan from Wright imo and the demise of Austin pre planned to coincide with Voss departing is all to convenient. I think if the club had any faith in the list then Austin would still be employed so I will respectfully disagree on our list being mid table and imo it along with the coaching prowess of Voss has been a combined failure . On the question of Cripps future and abilities.....given his last two weeks, his media interviews, Id be questioning his commitment to to the club, which I know most wont agree with. He is now running out last quarters, kicking goals, skippering with gusto and looks reborn, all in the space of a week. Where was this form and energy when the team was down? Wouldnt be because he is now on the market and trying to show other clubs he still has what it takes and worth the big money he would want to change clubs? Im also not convinced on Weitering's commitment despite his media talk and how loyal he is to the cause going forward, heard some conflicting reports on his attitude also.... Dont expect to win vs Geelong as they have more to play for and are in red hot form but dont expect a drubbing either as we usually go ok vs the Cats...
Carroll has been a real improver and wingman who kick goals are gold, very sad for the young man and lets hope he gets back to his good form when he returns next season...do we take a MSD pick now as he should be a LTI status? re: Flynn Young...Im a fan of what he brings in terms of skills and being selfish is what all the good small forwards are and he should be encouraged to back himself in.
Port weren't fair dinkum last night. Butters on a HBF, turn it up. Lets see what happens next week against a serious side in Geel next week.
Port are tanking, strange moves, odd selections. Good to win for sure but perspective required and the Voss vs Fraser comparison is silly, I think Voss could have coached both games with the same result. The big change for me has been Cripps form , suddenly he has 4th quarter energy and is back to brownlow form?
Derksen or Dean on Georgiades could be a real challenge, I did say Blues by 5 goals but on the team selections Im a bit nervous about that prediction. ..
A very different 'parting of the ways' to the usual straight forward sacking. And that takes some time to get our collective heads around. The senior coach tendered his resignation, which was accepted. The senior coach was/is loved & respected by players and all staff at PP. Everyone from the club speaks highly, publicly, of Vossy. This is not normal for many who need to have a good guy and bad guy. Everyone's a good guy in this unique scenario. Heads explode! And some busy themselves, still, hunting for a guilty party in all this. Newsflash: it's done, time to move on.
Perhaps.
The same style press release was issued in regards to Austin....yet within the week he was seeking legal action to sue the club for sacking him.
So the club has proven to tell porky pies, on the same day no less, so is it plausible that they told 2 'lies' on the same day? Absolutely. Regardless, i think its more like...."You are done here. You choose how you want to go out." Vossy chose that way.
Yes, its all done and dusted. Thats not the story though.
The story is the guys who pulled the trigger......or accepted the resignation after pointing a gun to his head. Did they do the right thing. As above, PR spin is working wonderfully.....except the austin part.....but was it actually the right decision? Time will tell.....but most likely not reveal itself at all, look at the past 25 years of coaches.
I said the week before Vossy was sacked that i expected a few more wins in the coming weeks, this being the most likely. Next week being also likely. So he's timing was off, he may have saved himself, but it appears the decision was already made, so there was no point.
Agree with all of that, a lot of spin and bad timing, interesting that Voss might be a consultant for the new coach selection panel being assembled which is Wright, Davies and Priestley plus two outsiders and then Voss when required.
Thanks EB - when discussing discretionary trusts, it is probably important to distinguish them! Without having looked at this, I assume that the recipients of distributions would receive the franking credit?
Yep that's how I understand it too Dodge...the trustee would have paid tax on the total income and then the Individual beneficiaries get the tax credit subject to their tax rate etc.
How I understand it is that Discretionary testamentary trusts are set up in a will and are not taxed when at death but when they are disbursed.The reforms would change that by applying the minimum rate on a trust’s taxable income before distributing it.
Gentleman Jim and Albo will want a piece of that inheritance money. They want to pillage Discretionary trusts and bring in a death tax by default. A lot of small business people who use DTs for distributing income as well as will money when appropriate will get hit and switching to a fixed trust is going to cost you tax and stamp duty in some cases. Albo tried to explain it but doesn't have a clue and most of the real wealthy won't be affected...
Your last 1/2 sentence is the only correct bit of all that, the rest is hysteria.
They are taxing Discretionary trusts.....thats the facts. Expected return is 4.5 Billion over 5 years...
LP - the only way for my kids will be through inheritances that we will get in the next 10 years or so. I think the boat has sailed for those that aren't in such a fortunate position. I don't understand how people can repay $3k a fortnight ($1m loan) or $2.4k ($0.8m loan)
Gentleman Jim and Albo will want a piece of that inheritance money. They want to pillage Discretionary trusts and bring in a death tax by default. A lot of small business people who use DTs for distributing income as well as will money when appropriate will get hit and switching to a fixed trust is going to cost you tax and stamp duty in some cases. Albo tried to explain it but doesn't have a clue and most of the real wealthy won't be affected...
Port have unofficially acknowledged their list needs work and have been playing kids/ no names on a consistent basis and there has been little criticism about their form and they have slipped under the radar thanks to us and Essendon making the news everyday. The average Carlton less informed supporter will be happy with a few sugar hit wins and not think about the big picture or how to tackle the draft changes. It's a lot harder for us to play the system because the Carlton image is always under scrutiny and making news. Port can be crap and no one gives a second thought why but we are always over analysed and will always attract attention with team changes and reasoning. eg We dropped Hewett and it became a weekly topic for the media. Don't think we are dumber but are caught between appearing to want to win every game to appease supporters/media and playing the system for the long game.
I think we are equal bottom in terms of the future football wise as we stand at the minute...and as a state Victoria is in the worse condition I have ever seen it and that goes for the country.
$134k for a Dan Andrews statue, the state of Victoria is drowning in debt and we are wasting money honouring this muppet. Tony Shaw wants to charge $1 for using the statue as a urinal, says we would halve the state debt....
I guess where we differ is our opinion of the list, I think its terrible, slow, poorly skilled, unbalanced, wrong age profile/games played for a bottom team and built for a gameplan that Noah designed before he built the ark. The sacking of Agresta and Austin would tell me that Wright isnt convinced either and wants changes and im sorry but Id be trading Cripps and a couple of others while they have value. A few sugar hit wins like we saw with David Teague just wallpapers some massive cracks imo and leads us to another false dawn . I want a rebuild of the list, draft picks to help fix it and a List Manager who knows what he is doing. To me making a wildcard final game would be the worst result as the club would think it has the list moving forward and the cycle will start again and another coach will have his head on a stick outside ikon park in a couple of years. Strip it all back, new coach, new captain, new leadership group, new List Manager and do it right...
EB I'd be ecstatic to make a Mickey Mouse wildcatrd final but we MUST NOT lose sight of the fact there is much work to do. That work is motion now and must not be deviated from no matter what the season ends up looking like. Your last sentence is it in a nutshell whether we win all, some or none of the remaining games. Wright and Davies arent dumb.
GTC..I'll see who Wright and Davies appoint as Coach and List Manager and judge their dumbness accordingly🤔....
