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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
st Vincent's is not solely in the NT.

So are we saying they dont want to wait like the rest of us are forced to?


st V isn’t in the nt.
What I’m saying is that if a white one and a black one present with the same problem the black one is more likely to die, statistically.

That's a presumption based on General rule of thumb and I accept that and the statistics but there will be cases when the white fella might have a poor medical history himself which isn't going to be apparent to a time poor under pressure triage nurse asking the usual basic triage questions ie what's your problem today, pain level, medications, and check the vitals. Unless you have patient history from previous visits if any then you are guessing..
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments


That's no excuse and not the point.

It’s not meant to be an excuse because good public policy doesn’t need to be excused.

It is the point though because hospitals have taken steps to address a failure to care for a small and vulnerable cohort without any negative impacts on the care provided to everyone else.

Don’t be sucked in by the righteous outrage of the Murdoch media.  Find the facts … it’s not that hard.
Longer waiting times are a negative impact for non indigenous patients as will the extra load that other Hospital ED's like Royal Melbourne will have when patients bypass St Vincents for fear of extra long waiting periods.
This is Victoria, Australia not Sth Africa, Jacinta doing her best impression of PW Botha and creating an Apartheid fix where we have skin colour as the criteria for when citizens receive treatment shows how far this state has slipped into the abyss.
Whats next, donor organs being issued to patients based on colour or race?
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Standard of driving in Melbourne has got worse, everyday you drive to are having to think ahead, anticipate poor driving and be over cautious . Nearly got hit in a roundabout today carrying one of my grandsons by an Nissan  X Trail that didn't stop and just plowed through at speed.
Parking is my other gripe, why can't people park in the bay between the lines instead of on the line or encroaching on the other bay.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
From the HS
‘We need more prisons’: Pat, 76, woke with armed thugs inside her Brighton home
A brave Brighton grandmother has described the moment she confronted two knife-wielding men inside her loungeroom in the latest Bayside home invasion — and issued a plea for the state to get the crime crisis under control.

A 76 year old lady, come on guys. This farken beyond a joke now.

But nah, Jacinta says it's all good, nothing to see here Pat. Get back in your box.
Not a huge fan of Bec Judd but she was right pointing to a crime wave that had hit those wealthy bayside suburbs a couple of years ago and was calling for more police action. Dan Andrews dismissed her fears and it led to more private security firms being employed to look after those affected areas and it has that Sth African feel to it with their gated communities and clearly residents are having to take matters into their own hands which never ends well and if you want to live in those wealthy areas security is going to be an added cost unfortunately.
When violence is used and weapons involved then Im calling that adult crimes are deserving of adult time in jail...yep more jails required unfortunately.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
The machete bins are a disgrace.

You could not hand one back with 0 recourse.   Knife wielders will just pick up another sharp blade of a different size.  Maybe something like a tomahawk axe for gardening and chopping wood.

Its not like the gun thing.  Guns have a single purpose.  To shoot. 

The bins are simply about optics.
Agree...The problem that I see is that the senior officials involved are not on the same page in terms of providing solutions and all have different ideas on how to solve the problem with the Government more interested in appeasing voters.
The new Police Commissioner Mike Bush a Kiwi himself favours the NZ model which is characterised by crime prevention, steering low-level offenders away from the judicial system with diversions and warnings.
However the Police Association(Union) have said  "I think the courts are failing in their connection to community," Police Association of Victoria secretary Wayne Gatt told ABC Radio Melbourne.
"There's a massive chasm between what the community expects and demands and what is delivered by the courts.
"We need to stop making excuses and we need to toughen the hell up."
Then you have  senior police officers like Assistant Commissioner Robert Hill last week said Victorians were feeling unsafe and frustrated amid the ongoing crime crisis.He indicated police were frustrated too and "There is an unacceptable level of crime occurring in the state of Victoria. Our police members are doing a magnificent job, but we can't be everywhere," he said.
He said appropriate consequences for wrongdoers would act as a decent deterrent.
Then looking at community programs for young offenders you find the Government claiming they have increased funding to these agencies but Blake Edwards from The Youth Junction, a youth crime prevention organisation based in Sunshine in Victoria's West, said the service and partner organisations have had their funding reduced in recent years.
He said at least 19 full-time roles working in youth case management and crime prevention initiatives had been cut across those organisations, which he estimated would impact 800 young people.
"What we're seeing at the moment is a small number of young people committing a large number of crimes,"  he said.
"So when we start taking away funding for the young people who are at risk of entering the justice system … my concern is that that small number who are committing a large number of crimes will grow substantially.
"When there's 800 young people that no longer can access services in Melbourne's west, that certainly is concerning."
He said the inconsistency in funding for crime prevention programs was also resulting in "poor outcomes for everybody".
"When you're working with highly skilled, highly experienced practitioners, who are providing services on the ground, it means that they never have job security," he said.
"It means that they are often leaving positions with three to six months of funding still left."

So IMO the system to deal with these issues is a mess with not much co-ordination and the machete bins etc are not really where the problem is and the affected parties are not on the same page.
re: The Bins....I think the problem is all the decent folk will hand in their machetes/large knives etc but the smaller group of offenders wont and the idea is compromised by other States not having the same laws nation wide  and the police cant control those who want to purchase them out of Victoria or by other shady means.

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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Council advised us we have to erect and maintain signage at our property saying we have a Dog and the signage has to visible from the entrance to the property. We also asked our lawyers a while back when attending to another matter and they said while not breaking any laws or being enforceable its advisable to have clear signage and the Dog restricted to the back yard.
Problem we have that being a very large male German Shepherd our dog while not classified officially as a dangerous dog is stereotyped as an aggressive breed and has less leeway if an incident was to occur and we have to be very careful with him.
In Victoria the law states:
The law expects you to act proportionately to the threat and stop using force once it’s no longer necessary.
However, once the threat is over—say, the intruders run away—it’s not lawful to chase after them and attack like a dog would do. The law expects you to act proportionately to the threat and stop using force once it’s no longer necessary.
Which in the case of Dogs becomes a grey area, if there is no one home, your little Maltese terrier or plump lab is probably going to have a nip at the intruder then call it a day but a GS, Rottie, Doberman, Akita etc are going to keep going until the intruder escapes or either subdues the dog or the reverse...
Any severe or fatal injuries is probably going to end up badly for the dog especially if the intruder was unarmed or under adult age plus you could be facing a civil suit with claims against you for owning and training a dangerous animal.




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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments


4. Immigration. Holy mackeral I recall the same racism/xenophobia in the 50s against the poms ('The $10 immigrants'), 60s, 70s and even 80s against Greeks, Italians and Middle Eastern immigrants... then to Indian and Asian folks, and so on it goes. This is nothing new, Shawny. Seems to be spliced into the DNA of some folks (Xenophobia).


Don't agree with this one - the immigrants that flooded our shores in the 50s-80s, the vast majority assimilated into the Aussie culture, worked and worked bloody hard, respected our laws and authority and if kids of Wog parents like me dared to disrespect the law or even just be rude to anyone older then we were we coped it.  From what i hear the current crop we are letting in by the tens of thousands just don't have those traits at all and its clear to see how things are headed.

The amount of crime in certain pockets of this state, in particular the western suburbs is worse than its ever been. There is no respect for the law whatsoever and regardless of which side of the political fence you sit on serious crime such as car jackings, home invasions, knife offences against civilians has never been this brazen. Everytime im out and about function party etc and im speaking to an emergency workers I always ask them for thir experiences and im yet to met one that said its the same as it was 20 years ago. They all say in different ways that there is a disproportion number of serious crimes coming from individual's from certain war torn regions. Sure there was crime in the 50, 60 and 70s from the Europeans, Asian, Indian etc but nothing like this. 

If you are not fully committed to our culture our laws our flag and our peaceful way of life and are not willing to work hard then you should not be allowed in regardless of how bad your current life is. I know it sounds a bit cold but allowing those in who don't 100% buy into our values is slowly turning our streets like the ones they escaped.

And if you commit a serious crime their citizenship should be revoked.     
Agree, Western suburbs in Victoria is a nightmare place to try and live and survive, there a lot of good people doing it tough out there and suffering with the criminal types running amok. You have to live there to understand how bad it is, said it before that my daughter lived out at Caroline Springs/Fraser Rise and it was a madhouse.
She copped the lot ,gangs at the shops doing car jackings, damaged cars in the street, attempted break ins to her home, people stabbed at Watergardens shopping centre ,even a drone hovering outside her kitchen window with a white package onboard. One in Nine people known to police she was told, lucky she moved to Greensborough where the only break ins are from possums and the odd bird or two trying to nest in a gap under your eaves.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
To me the main problem seems to be the gutless mask wearing thugs opportunistically hiding behind legitimate causes to create havoc, "Sovereign Citizens", 1%ers", "Conspiracy Nutters" and "Neo-Nazis" hiding behind university students and grandmothers.

This has little or nothing to do with the political left or right, that's just an excuse to bash a political opponent, the p1ssweak political parties are happy to schtuum it up when the target is the opposition.

Laws were passed to unmask these extremists, but they have never been enacted, it's as my signature quote states.

Step one should be removing the opportunity to profit from this sort of behaviour and a lot of it will evaporate, like that nutter who runs the Desi Retreats!
Crime increases when society breaks down more and people get more desperate in their efforts to survive.
Australia has become like the old Germany post WW1 when it transitioned from a semi-authoritarian empire to the Weimar Republic, a democracy that protected individual right and limited police power. You end up with the people looking for alternatives to restore safety and  order and thats when you get right wing extremists and nutters like the Nazi Party back then or in our case One Nation gaining popularity, political support and eventually power.
A lot of what went on back then mirrors what is happening in Australia even down to recent events with Jewish folk being hassled and buildings defaced etc due to society tolerating and being weak on offenders under the banner of democracy and freedom of speech etc but it all gets down to politics.
In short you have to fix the economic problems to fix the crime problems or you will get a repeat of history on a world wide level not just Australia..
 
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
Barnaby Joyce to defect to One Nation and be the leader in waiting when Paulines  term expires. Of course Barney hasn't been seeing eye to eye with the Nationals Leadership and this has been on the cards for a while. Pauline is learning the craft of list management taking Nationals staff and branch chairman too.
Problem for the Nationals is Joyce while a maverick has his supporters and will probably encourage other Nats pollies to make the move if One Nation gets a bit more traction which I think it will given the state of the country and the profile of One Nation.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Lewis Young
Back to Lewis young, he was given the option to move and decided he would rather tough it put with us. 

On the back of the last 12 months that lifts him up a few notches especially compared to other more capable players.

Hes our bastard.
Or was it there was no interest in him and seeing out his contract was his only option. Never understood how his form tapered after a very good first year where he was very safe with the ball and ultra reliable..
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Lewis Young

McGovern has given us nothing and got a healthy initial contract.
Been a recruiting fail....

If he was paid less, would it have been good recruiting?

If we paid him half what he got would it have been good recruiting?

If we paid him half what he got and lost the other half because we 'had to use it or lose it' is that good recruiting?
If he paid us to play it would still be poor recruiting...
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Lewis Young

Philips is a KP player who cant kick with one AFL game and Burton is a running half back with 162 games and can kick the ball well....two different players...con on Burton has been his injuries so he would need a careful medical check. I watched Philips get intimidated and well beaten by some no name VFL journeyman from Frankston so no thanks.
As I have said previously I would prefer Jacob Blight ex Richmond as a backup KP defender over Philips.
Burton is comparable to McGovern in size and the latter has been a over paid disappointment for years now and thats why he hasnt been offered a contract and the powers at be denied him a trigger game for a new deal, not really a vote of confidence and id expect him to join Burton as a DFA and maybe the likes of West Coast can give him a home.

I’m glad you don’t have any influence over our list management decision making EB.
 
I probably could have managed to make decisions without the new CEO having to baby sit me and hold my hand on the final day of the trade period unlike our resident list manager. That was a good look ..not and symbolic of the shambles of a club we have become with 25-30 years of failure to show for it.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Lewis Young
We debunked Gov's contract $ ages ago, the fact it keeps getting mentioned is a tell regarding cognitive bias, once you learn or are exposed to something you can't unlearn it.

It's the principle behind RedTrump's weave, why he continually repeats lies, like fake news assertions, you can't erase it from your subconscious. Even when you know it was wrong it still influences the opinions you form.
McGovern has given us nothing and got a healthy initial contract.
Been a recruiting fail....