Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: Shakin77 – on July 11, 2026, 01:44:06 pm

Shhhh.     Add McKay

We can't talk about these things.    Fixture the only difference between Rounds 0-7 and the Fraser Era.

I am here to call out the BS that there has been "zero" change to the game style, pressure, player role changes and that we we have been working on it all pre-season and in season it was there to see in the 2nd half against the Lions.

Only a change in fixture.    Everything else the same.

Pretty sure McKay has been covered a few times, but i can't make you read it.

But tell me.....what exactly has Fraser done to Cripps....removed the Voss shaped kryptonite from around his neck?

He was back in the coaches votes for the first time since R1 richmond game. How did we conspire to give him votes that game (and every game since) given that not only do we need to rig our votes, we need to rig the oppositions votes as well.
This conspiracy goes deeper and deeper the more you look!
We've got the whole AFL to work together on undermining Vossy now.

Still no explanation on the massive turn around in Cripps and Walsh's form/fitness in particular, the captain couldnt run out of sight on a dark night during last quarters under Voss and looked like the next club he would be playing for would be the Arcare or Aveo old boys. 

Quote from: Shakin77 – on July 09, 2026, 11:14:52 pm

You have mentioned this a few times. 

But I wouldnt hold any weight to these comments.  I mean what do you expect these guys to say?    They like Voss.  The players liked Voss.   He is a likeable person.   The bloke has just been given the arse.  Why would anyone speak poorly of him?   For what purpose?   He did some good things and lets celebrate them but lets not speak ill of the departed.   It would be a poor look

Ok so lets ride your train of thought and assume everyone complety made it up, ill even borrow LPs tin foil hat for the journey, how do you explain all the statiatical evidence that was floated at the time showing a shift in oir game plan? Did we conspire with the media as well and champion data as well?


Failing all that, just have a look at the brisbane game and how we played.

I even made a comment the week after saying that i saw no difference from the brisbane game to the dogs game apart from the opposition and others agreed.

But if you wanna put it all down to fraser and the circuit breaker, be my guest, i wont be agreeing with you. Ill back the clubs comments, the statistical evidence and my own eyes instead.

2. Are we meant to believe 3 weeks flicked a switch?
Yes. It was said by every man and his dog, including Voss, Fraser, Wright and Davies....and the players.
This is not my words, this has come from the club. You don't want to believe, nothing i can do to change your mind.

Cmon Shakin, if it was as simple as 1 thing, then Voss and the club is an idiot.

But those who are anti-voss are making it out as if there was only 1 change that 'solved' everything, Fraser. Surely you can see that is not true.

Fixture, IMO, is the most important factor.
Cripps' form is not a coincidence. Our best 2 games under voss was the 2 games Cripps got votes....and he has votes in every game since.

So ignoring those 2 things, which Fraser boosters continue to do, is my gripe.
Similarly, people gave Fraser credit for bringing George back, playing Wilson, playing Harry in the ruck.....all occured before he took over.

Credit where credit is due, sure.
I've got no issue with Fraser. I've got issues with people proclaiming he can walk on water and has the midas touch.

In terms of your CBA's, can you include the figures for Lord?

IMO thats been a huge difference.
I copped some flack for questioning his long term future and him being too similar to our better mids.
Initially i think he was playing a wing role that Cerra took over. He was playing midfield when we gave him a chance to lock it down with George out of the side. Eventually, Lord was forced out of the side through injury and hasn't (as yet) returned to the seniors, despite going ok in the 2's.

There is a lot of cause and effect, and correlation, and people not understanding the difference.

Just looking at Jagga for an example, he started in the midfield. Then plenty were suggested he looked tired and sore and might need a run in the 2's. Was moved out of the guts at the same time. Got himself back up to speed and was moved back in as a result.
Is that Fraser being a genuis? Is it Voss looking after his young player so he doesn't break him??

And be careful repeating this rubbish, Hewett was back in the midfield the week before Voss left, McKay had been relief rucking at times most of the season but barely got a tap before his week off, and Cerra was in the Midfield because Hewett was in the maggos, leaving Lord and Smith to share the wing in the Mid rotation.

The commentators happily rewrite history, but they watch our games far less than we do!

Can we resize that image.

Were we better last night than round 1?

All the easy teams are gone now the real stuff begins.