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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by MickyO -
Quote from: LP – on
I doubt there will be much come out of this other than paranoia, the stuff they know about will be buried or is already buried, it's the stuff they imagine might exist that will bring them undone.

Paranoia will lead to someone throwing somebody else under the bus, that is when it unravels.

If there is a journo that is smart enough, brave enough, or stupid enough, they will be able to create havoc.

Then there is the issue of whistleblowers, that is how the more traditional falls occur. There is always someone on the clean up team who is parnoid or crooked enough to keep a copy of something, who find themself in a no win nothing to lose scenario.

Over the years, the very best journos I worked with never really needed access to the facts, all they really needed was a good question for the right person.
Like with our Charlie thing I think if there’s smoke there’s fire… bill clinton gets spoken of a lot! Bill gates… trump of course.

It has to come out - someone somewhere will pull the trigger for the real stuff to come. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

The fact it hasn’t already is revolting - I don’t care who you are, if they’ve done something as alleged they deserve to lose it all!
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by LP -
I doubt there will be much come out of this other than paranoia, the stuff they know about will be buried or is already buried, it's the stuff they imagine might exist that will bring them undone.

Paranoia will lead to someone throwing somebody else under the bus, that is when it unravels.

If there is a journo that is smart enough, brave enough, or stupid enough, they will be able to create havoc.

Then there is the issue of whistleblowers, that is how the more traditional falls occur. There is always someone on the clean up team who is parnoid or crooked enough to keep a copy of something, who find themself in a no win nothing to lose scenario.

Over the years, the very best journos I worked with never really needed access to the facts, all they really needed was a good question for the right person.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by Baggers -
With so many influential people allegedly implicated in these files, it's hard to imagine that considerable influence hasn't been executed resulting in v8 shredding machines working over time, and skilled hackers working the delete button on their keyboards.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by Gointocarlton -
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Jess Wilson is an attempt from the Libs to change course and try and appeal to younger voters and female voters.
Be interested if rusted on older Lib voters buy what she is selling given she is a more moderate Liberal and has some personal views that are not aligned with normal liberal policy offerings.

That's going to be her big challenge EB.

Jess Wilson had a good first day and I think that she could drag the Liberals out of the quagmire, if given the freedom to do so.  I think that she will appeal to younger voters and female voters and they've both been the Libs' Achille's heels over the last quarter of a century.  It's those crusty, old, misogynistic Libs that will act as a sheet anchor, or worse, and will fight to stop the party regaining the centre ground.
I think she presents well and ticks quite a few boxes that her predecessors haven't. Having said that, I have a feeling that  Allan and her more experienced cronies will eat her alive and run her out of town.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by DJC -
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Jess Wilson is an attempt from the Libs to change course and try and appeal to younger voters and female voters.
Be interested if rusted on older Lib voters buy what she is selling given she is a more moderate Liberal and has some personal views that are not aligned with normal liberal policy offerings.

That's going to be her big challenge EB.

Jess Wilson had a good first day and I think that she could drag the Liberals out of the quagmire, if given the freedom to do so.  I think that she will appeal to younger voters and female voters and they've both been the Libs' Achille's heels over the last quarter of a century.  It's those crusty, old, misogynistic Libs that will act as a sheet anchor, or worse, and will fight to stop the party regaining the centre ground.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by Lods -
Quote from: LP – on
I suppose the fundamental problem with the Liberals even at a state level is that they are percieved as a coalition not a party, and that is because they behave like a coalition and not a party, they do not exhibit unity. And the people being offered as alternatives to the right might not be as pure as the general public is lead to believe.

There is quite a bit of irony for the anti-soclialist and anti-union LIberals to be torn apart by obvious factions even if they refuse to call them factions.

There are factions alright at a federal level...

The National Right (the largest faction) -Angus Taylor, Mickey Cash, Hastie (although he's probably moving around a bit due to leadership aspirations.

The Moderates (the party's left-such as it is)- Ley and Ted O'Brien sit here.

And the Centre Right (the group in the middle)-once the largest group during Morrison's time...now a shell of less than half a dozen due to lost seats and factional movement.

I'm not sure how those grouping tanslate to Victorian politics.


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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by Professer E -
But apparently it's a scam, a hoax,  and it's an issue for the democrats to own up to and be concerned about....dunno, he seemed pretty chummy with a certain high profile pedo in the photos going around.