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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Where will Carlton finish?
Last post by Baggers -Vossy's tenure is in his, the players and other coaches hands.
Just keen to see how we start 2026. Woo hoo. Go Blues.
Vossy's tenure is in his, the players and other coaches hands.
Just keen to see how we start 2026. Woo hoo. Go Blues.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Where will Carlton finish?
Last post by Lods -If we kept him this year, there is no reason why we shouldn't keep him next year, even if we drop a couple places on the ladder.
Talent available last year > talent available this year......and spare me the 'output' of Curnow etc. excuse. This year it will be some other player that underperfoms.....there always is.
So what type of contract do you expect him to be offered if we finish bottom 4?
Don't forget, it's a new contract.
I expect us to do well and he will get a new contract.
Bottom 4 and he won't.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Where will Carlton finish?
Last post by kruddler -@Lods
So we judge Voss on a year with a fractured group and injuries and then a year without the fractured individuals (hopefully they’re all gone…) and lesser credentialed replacements ?
Seems like old Carlton to me…
No
Actually the opposite.
'Old Carlton' would have seen him gone this year.
He's now had two years where injury and disruption have affected our performance.
But he doesn't want the bottom to fall out of it this year.
What I'm saying is, he probably won't get a new contract if we finish bottom 4 this year,
That's not old Carlton
That's just what will happen.
If we kept him this year, there is no reason why we shouldn't keep him next year, even if we drop a couple places on the ladder.
Talent available last year > talent available this year......and spare me the 'output' of Curnow etc. excuse. This year it will be some other player that underperfoms.....there always is.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Where will Carlton finish?
Last post by kruddler -@Lods...
To paraphrase Malthouse - The 22 blokes in the team love you. The 23rd bloke hates you.
Every coach has its detractors. IF that has anything to do with the reason any of them left.....maybe Kennedy aside.....but maybe we needed to mix it up and he was 4th banana.....and oldest behind Cripps.
So i wouldn't put too much stock in 'the coach has lost the players' cliche.
Plenty of other players could've left, but haven't.
I never said the coach has lost the players.
I'm not sure where you got that from.
All the noise at the moment is of a committed group with some new players fitting in very well.
I expect a good year, from both players and coach....but the old "proof of the pudding" cliche still applies.
I was being pre-emptive.
You haven't said it yet......but there will be a time where it becomes gospel (not necessarily from you).
re Orange....thats the downfall right there.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Where will Carlton finish?
Last post by Lods -@Lods
So we judge Voss on a year with a fractured group and injuries and then a year without the fractured individuals (hopefully they’re all gone…) and lesser credentialed replacements ?
Seems like old Carlton to me…
No
Actually the opposite.
'Old Carlton' would have seen him gone this year.
He's now had two years where injury and disruption have affected our performance.
But he doesn't want the bottom to fall out of it this year.
What I'm saying is, he probably won't get a new contract if we finish bottom 4 this year,
That's not old Carlton
That's just what will happen.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Where will Carlton finish?
Last post by Lods -@Lods...
To paraphrase Malthouse - The 22 blokes in the team love you. The 23rd bloke hates you.
Every coach has its detractors. IF that has anything to do with the reason any of them left.....maybe Kennedy aside.....but maybe we needed to mix it up and he was 4th banana.....and oldest behind Cripps.
So i wouldn't put too much stock in 'the coach has lost the players' cliche.
Plenty of other players could've left, but haven't.
I never said the coach has lost the players.
I'm not sure where you got that from.
All the noise at the moment is of a committed group with some new players fitting in very well.
I expect a good year, from both players and coach....but the old "proof of the pudding" cliche still applies.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Where will Carlton finish?
Last post by northernblue -So we judge Voss on a year with a fractured group and injuries and then a year without the fractured individuals (hopefully they’re all gone…) and lesser credentialed replacements ?
Seems like old Carlton to me…
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Where will Carlton finish?
Last post by kruddler -To paraphrase Malthouse - The 22 blokes in the team love you. The 23rd bloke hates you.
Every coach has its detractors. IF that has anything to do with the reason any of them left.....maybe Kennedy aside.....but maybe we needed to mix it up and he was 4th banana.....and oldest behind Cripps.
So i wouldn't put too much stock in 'the coach has lost the players' cliche.
Plenty of other players could've left, but haven't.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Where will Carlton finish?
Last post by Lods -The reality though is that if we were to say finish bottom 4 how could the club possibly justify re-contracting him.
You can get away with one year, and a shocking run with injuries.
You can probably get away with a second year of injuries and turmoil.
I'm not sure you get away with a third year, especially if the bottom drops out of the place.
Yes, we've lost key players but as has been pointed out often, their 2025 seasons all presented with issues that saw them at less than their best.
Curnow's departure has been seen as due in part to his injury situation being mis-managed, and being forced to play against better judgement.
Who is responsible for that?
What was the issue with Silvagni.
Was he fully on-board with the club's on-field direction.
Kennedy's departure the year before has been attributed to a conflict of sorts with Voss.
The overall tone of the place last year, seemed to be a team with divisions.
And while not totally responsible, the coach surely has some impact on team unity and getting everyone on the same page.
It's pretty apparent that Voss may not be everyone's cup of tea.
The hope is that the players reamaining do have a bit of respect for his approach, and understanding of the direction Voss has for 2026, and we see good, consistent efforts.
Even a mid-table finish may be enough if there is enough positivity, and improvement in many players.
But if it goes pear shaped (bottom 4) the ending will be pretty predictable...and pretty much the right one.
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