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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Where will Carlton finish?
Last post by LP -Weathervanes come to mind!
Both players come to mind as examples of huge potential and capability, but I'm not going to sell anybody on their consistency, the players we've lost are about as far away from the 24x7 level of a fit Cripps or Walsh, as Cliffy Young is from Phar Lap in a sprint!
We don't have enough 24x7 types to be carrying too many part-timers, and they are big dollar part-timers. If Curnow, TDK and SoJ were 24x7 types, on the park week after week delivering at a consistent level, even consistent at a good ordinary level like a Hewett or an Evans, I'd be more upset. But they weren't, and that is probably a big reason why we didn't stand in their way!
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Where will Carlton finish?
Last post by shawny -
He's coached 4 full years and in year 5 we set him up to fail? He has had one successful season with us.
Prior he coached Brisbane for 4 and half years won an EF in year one and then had 3 and half poor seasons after.
Hardly a glowing resume.
We have lost a number of senior players the last 2 years and replaced them with kids for the most part. List management is looking to the future and have closed this era prematurely. That's not on Voss..
Who are the senior player lost in the last 2 years and replaced with kids?
Charlie and TDK are big loses but he had them for the past 4 years.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Where will Carlton finish?
Last post by madbluboy -I think he has been set up to fail.
He's coached 4 full years and in year 5 we set him up to fail? He has had one successful season with us.
Prior he coached Brisbane for 4 and half years won an EF in year one and then had 3 and half poor seasons after.
Hardly a glowing resume.
We have lost a number of senior players the last 2 years and replaced them with kids for the most part. List management is looking to the future and have closed this era prematurely. That's not on Voss..
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Where will Carlton finish?
Last post by shawny -I think he has been set up to fail.
He's coached 4 full years and in year 5 we set him up to fail? He has had one successful season with us.
Prior he coached Brisbane for 4 and half years won an EF in year one and then had 3 and half poor seasons after.
Hardly a glowing resume.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Where will Carlton finish?
Last post by shawny -I can see a situation where the coach isnt winning and then retains his position. Its all about how they go about doing their job, and how we are doing.
If the wheels are falling off, then its bad, but if we are competitive but not quite displaying the ability to secure 4 points then he can probably keep the job regardless of results.
Sometimes there's more to it than the end result which is what coaches get judged on.
la la land mate. Its a performance based industry.
While many say its wrong to look too far back when making current day decisions the fact is the supporters members sponsors etc are starved of success and have been very very patient. Most are all tired of all talk all the waiting all the spin. Voss has had a decent block to impress with what many think was a decent list - we had one good (a tad lucky) finals run in his tenure and that is simply not good enough despite the wrath of excuses the Voss believers want to throw up.
Its finals as a min in 2026 or he is gonski.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Where will Carlton finish?
Last post by Lods -As much as we would like it not to be the case, it's a factor that can't always be completely ignored.
Memberships and Sponsorships have a financial impact.
And on-field success feeds into that support.
In a period where a club is struggling on-field there comes a point where a club needs to "be seen to be doing something different."
"Staying the course" only works for a short time before the pressure gets too great and you have things like challenges to the club structure, and more upheaval.
It's a balancing act.
So we've made some changes to the CEO position, the head of football, changed a few of the assistant coaches, made some changes to the list.
If the changes don't bring some on-field success then where do we go from there...and the next step is "things that haven't been changed"...yet.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Where will Carlton finish?
Last post by madbluboy -Drop a game to North or Richmond or both without getting any.upset wins then he is gone.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Where will Carlton finish?
Last post by PaulP -@ Lods and @ PaulP
You make excellent, logical points. Unfortunately, the vast majority of Carlton supporters don't see it this way, they only things they see are:
1. The fact that we haven't won a premiership in 31 years.
2. Playing finals every year.
3. Ladder Position (improvement year on year).
The above are all fine as expectations for fans and the club, the problem with our club has been that the same person has copped the blame for it every time they have been met (by fans and the club), the coach.
There are a host of reasons for the above three key objectives being met/not met. What's important is that those administering the club properly analyse those reasons and act on rectifying them in a measured way. Whether it's the coach, high performance, injuries, players not adhering to club mandates etc, I care not, as long as it's dealt with properly and professionally.
Over the years, I have felt that the club as acted on the of whim the supporter base and the media. I'd like to think with the recent appointments of those in charge, that has now changed.
I'll just add this on coaching, IMO there isn't a hell of lot of difference between all the coaches and games styles these days, I personally think the key to success is the right mix of talent, experience, workmanlike role players, the cohesion of the all the above and consistent availability of the above.
Yes agreed. The best chance of getting it right is to have good decision makers with access to good data, free of undue interference.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Where will Carlton finish?
Last post by Thryleon -If the wheels are falling off, then its bad, but if we are competitive but not quite displaying the ability to secure 4 points then he can probably keep the job regardless of results.
Sometimes there's more to it than the end result which is what coaches get judged on.