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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by kruddler -
Here is a look at the betting this time a year ago....

PointsbetTABSportsbetLadbrokes
Brisbane ($6)Brisbane ($7)Brisbane ($8)Brisbane ($7)
GWS ($8)Hawthorn ($8)Hawthorn ($8)Hawthorn ($8)
Hawthorn ($8.50)Carlton ($9)Carlton ($9)Carlton ($9)
Sydney ($10)Sydney ($9)Collingwood ($9)Sydney ($9)
Carlton ($10)GWS ($9)Geelong ($9)GWS ($9)
Collingwood ($10)Geelong ($10)GWS ($9)Collingwood ($9)
Geelong ($11)Collingwood ($10)Sydney ($10)Geelong ($10)
Western Bulldogs ($11)Fremantle ($11)Fremantle ($12)Western Bulldogs ($12)
Fremantle ($14)Western Bulldogs ($12)Western Bulldogs ($13)Fremantle ($13)
Port Adelaide ($17)Port Adelaide ($17)Port Adelaide ($15)Port Adelaide ($15)
Essendon ($26)Melbourne ($26)Melbourne ($21)Melbourne ($26)
Melbourne ($26)St Kilda ($34)Adelaide ($26)Adelaide ($29)
Adelaide ($34)Adelaide ($34)Essendon ($41)Gold Coast ($41)
St Kilda ($41)Gold Coast ($41)Gold Coast ($41)Essendon ($51)
Gold Coast ($41)Essendon ($51)St Kilda ($41)St Kilda ($51)
North Melbourne ($151)North Melbourne ($101)North Melbourne ($81)North Melbourne ($101)
West Coast ($151)West Coast ($101)West Coast ($101)West Coast ($101)
Richmond ($501)Richmond ($151)Richmond ($151)Richmond ($101)
Now whats changed in the meantime??
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by tonyo -
Trump's narcissism is reaching extreme levels now.  The John F Kennedy Memorial for Performing Arts Centre in Washington (named 2 months after JFK was assassinated as a living memorial) has had 'The Donald J Trump and....' prefix added.  The change was voted by a Board that was selected by Trump himself. and the letters were added the very next day, despite the fact that it would require Congress to agree to the change.   

To top it off, the new class of battleship to be built by the US is going to be called the 'Trump Class'........

This country is doomed if they don't get rid of this self-centred flog.   They'll be changing the US Dollar to the US Donald next.


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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by Lods -
One of the surprising things about the odds at this stage is that St Kilda shades us by just the one line of betting.
I'd have thought they would be higher.
They may have been a month ago, with their new recruits, but with players like DeKoning, Silvagni and also Max King having interrupted pre-seasons it's probably made a few people a bit wary of committing until they see how they recover.
It's variables like that which will have premiership odds move around a bit in the months ahead.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by Thryleon -
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
From Jillian Segal's Envoy report:
2.1 From October 2023 to September 2024, antisemitic incidents surged by 316%, with over 2,000 cases reported – threats, assaults, vandalism and intimidation. In October and November 2023 alone, episodes increased over 700% compared to the previous year, reflecting incitement by those with extremist views and misinformation in the media and online. These figures exclude much of the hate online, where antisemitism has exploded. Notable incidents include the firebombing of Melbourne’s Adass Israel Synagogue, firebombing of a childcare centre adjacent to a Synagogue and school, firebombing of cars in residential areas and the repeated targeting with graffiti of Jewish schools and places of worship. In February 2025, ASIO Director General Mike Burgess declared antisemitism Australia’s leading threat to life.

Clearly the Government, ASIO, the AFP have had the information but Albanese has refused to act and protect Jewish citizens in this country.Think I read that 70% of Jews in Australia vote Liberal which isnt unexpected and thats probably going to spiral upwards after recent events. Its been clear that the ALP and the Greens are anti Israel and pro Palestinian, so Albanese has been in no hurry to act until now of course when under the media and world spotlight. 50% of Jews left Nazi Germany pre war so it will be interesting to see if we get a significant exit from Australia now its unsafe for them. 
My ex-neighbour who sold house and moved because of how bad it was in our area now believes he would feel safer in Israel and is considering uprooting his family and going there. Think about that for a second? Where are we at as a nation if even one person thinks living in the Middle East is safer than Melbourne/Australia?

Woah there GI2C.

There are going to be people who feel safer somewhere else irrespective of where that is.

Those people are not an indication of anything to do with how safe Australia is.

HOWEVER, things are getting out of hand here. 

Ultimately, Jews would always feel safer in Israel.  They are a ethno religious nationality that will look after their own, and actively patrol their borders against threats on their doorsteps.  Would they feel safer or less safe here?  Thats relative. Id probably feel safer in the villages of Greece too, but thats comparing an apple with an orange using a big city as a comparison.  Ditto for Israel vs Australia. 
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by Gointocarlton -
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
From Jillian Segal's Envoy report:
2.1 From October 2023 to September 2024, antisemitic incidents surged by 316%, with over 2,000 cases reported – threats, assaults, vandalism and intimidation. In October and November 2023 alone, episodes increased over 700% compared to the previous year, reflecting incitement by those with extremist views and misinformation in the media and online. These figures exclude much of the hate online, where antisemitism has exploded. Notable incidents include the firebombing of Melbourne’s Adass Israel Synagogue, firebombing of a childcare centre adjacent to a Synagogue and school, firebombing of cars in residential areas and the repeated targeting with graffiti of Jewish schools and places of worship. In February 2025, ASIO Director General Mike Burgess declared antisemitism Australia’s leading threat to life.

Clearly the Government, ASIO, the AFP have had the information but Albanese has refused to act and protect Jewish citizens in this country.Think I read that 70% of Jews in Australia vote Liberal which isnt unexpected and thats probably going to spiral upwards after recent events. Its been clear that the ALP and the Greens are anti Israel and pro Palestinian, so Albanese has been in no hurry to act until now of course when under the media and world spotlight. 50% of Jews left Nazi Germany pre war so it will be interesting to see if we get a significant exit from Australia now its unsafe for them. 
My ex-neighbour who sold house and moved because of how bad it was in our area now believes he would feel safer in Israel and is considering uprooting his family and going there. Think about that for a second? Where are we at as a nation if even one person thinks living in the Middle East is safer than Melbourne/Australia?
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by Gointocarlton -
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
From Jillian Segal's Envoy report:
2.1 From October 2023 to September 2024, antisemitic incidents surged by 316%, with over 2,000 cases reported – threats, assaults, vandalism and intimidation. In October and November 2023 alone, episodes increased over 700% compared to the previous year, reflecting incitement by those with extremist views and misinformation in the media and online. These figures exclude much of the hate online, where antisemitism has exploded. Notable incidents include the firebombing of Melbourne’s Adass Israel Synagogue, firebombing of a childcare centre adjacent to a Synagogue and school, firebombing of cars in residential areas and the repeated targeting with graffiti of Jewish schools and places of worship. In February 2025, ASIO Director General Mike Burgess declared antisemitism Australia’s leading threat to life.

Clearly the Government, ASIO, the AFP have had the information but Albanese has refused to act and protect Jewish citizens in this country.Think I read that 70% of Jews in Australia vote Liberal which isnt unexpected and thats probably going to spiral upwards after recent events. Its been clear that the ALP and the Greens are anti Israel and pro Palestinian, so Albanese has been in no hurry to act until now of course when under the media and world spotlight. 50% of Jews left Nazi Germany pre war so it will be interesting to see if we get a significant exit from Australia now its unsafe for them. 
^^^^
Says it all really.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by PaulP -
Quote from: DJC – on
Sportsbet had:

Collingwood - $5
Brisbane - $6.50
Melbourne - $7
Carlton - $8
Greater Western Sydney - $9
Port Adelaide - $10
Adelaide - $15
Geelong - $15
Sydney - $15
Western Bulldogs - $21
St Kilda - $26
Fremantle - $41
Gold Coast - $41
Essendon - $51
Richmond - $51
Hawthorn - $81
North Melbourne - $251
West Coast - $251

Probably not the best way to predict a team's fortunes  ::)

Thanks. At this point in time, those 2026 odds are mostly for entertainment purposes IMO.

Humans will never tire of trying to predict the future.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by Lods -
Those odds are about right....for now.
Sporting odds at the moment are just a snapshot in time.
The smart punter wouldn't be betting until he sees the teams in action
The gambler would be having a speculative bet on some of the teams at longer odds now.
Those odds will probably be different after the end of the preseason games and significantly different mid-season 2026.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by DJC -
Quote from: PaulP – on
I'd be curious to see the odds at the end of 2023.

Sportsbet had:

Collingwood - $5
Brisbane - $6.50
Melbourne - $7
Carlton - $8
Greater Western Sydney - $9
Port Adelaide - $10
Adelaide - $15
Geelong - $15
Sydney - $15
Western Bulldogs - $21
St Kilda - $26
Fremantle - $41
Gold Coast - $41
Essendon - $51
Richmond - $51
Hawthorn - $81
North Melbourne - $251
West Coast - $251

Probably not the best way to predict a team's fortunes  ::)