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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Annus horribilis
Last post by kruddler -Pies getting 17 would be worse case scenario.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Annus horribilis
Last post by Thryleon -If nothing else for Omacs benefit.
Id like to see him get a flag more than any other player in this finals series.
Wonder if he is interested in going home. Went to ringwood secondary college, and played in the eastern football league before getting rookie listed by Brisbane.
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 5: Carlton vs Gold Coast at Carlton
Last post by Thryleon -Post covid they did the "if you don't want to be here you can feck off" and seem to be benefitting from it now.
Hopefully our men's team have a similar reversal of fortunes.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by Lods -What I'm saying Paul, is that because of personal views and bias we sometimes exaggerate the "demon' qualities of those on the other side while at the same time overlooking the faults of those we have an affinity for.
We can look at the same individual, and their behaviour, and judge them quite differently depending on whether we agree with them or not on issues
While I agree that a lot of the people you mention are not great people, especially the fearless leader, there would be moderate conservatives, even middle of the road voters who don't see them in the same light as you do.
That's demonstrated by election results.
Not all the people who voted for Trump are raving right wingers.
He won over a fair bit of the middle ground where elections are decided.
I suspect the polls have probably turned against him in recent times, so it will be interesting to see the effect of Kirks assassination.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by PaulP -I'm pretty sure most folks with a Democratic leaning would agree with that assessment Paul.
Just as most people with a Republican leaning would think the opposite.
And there lies the problem
Both sides are one-eyed and blinded by their own perceptions to some of the things that are actually being said by their 'team'.
It's been confrontational since Trump's first term.
Few on any side have put any effort at all into toning down some of the rhetoric.
They say the words, but in the next sentence they pass a judgement that is likely to incite a negative response.
Sorry lods, but I disagree. I can tell you quite categorically that I am not in any way a supporter of the Democrats.
If you interrogate the data on its own terms, there is no equivalence in terms of certain behaviors. Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong, but IMO :
- there is no Democrat / left equivalent to Trump, a man who consistently insults minorities and opponents, lies like he breathes, calls for political violence against groups and individuals he doesn't like etc
- there are no Democrat / left equivalent to Steve Bannon, Stephen Miller, Hegseth and host of others, who pretty much parrot the same vulgar and violent rhetoric as their leader
- there are no Democrat / left equivalent to the Jan 6 insurrectionists and groups like the Proud Boys, MAGA movement etc. IMO, groups like Antifa do not count as an equivalent, since they are minor players and do not have the reach, scope and access to power that the right wing groups do.
- there are few if any Democrat / left equivalents to the social media influencers like Kirk and many other who also frequently engage in rhetoric that fuels hatred and violence.
The oppressor / aggressor / agitator pretty much always sets the agenda. Republicans have been targeting and abusing Democrats for years. The fact that Democrats eventually retaliate in their characteristically gormless way does not IMO imply equivalence.
I could go on, but I think you get the picture.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by northernblue -Similarly, Respect…
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by DJC -I think if we focus on the main topic of this thread, which is essentially Trump and America post 2016, we need to be careful about equivocating and assuming some kind of both sides equivalence. The data make it pretty clear that the Trump Republicans are much worse rhetorically and practically than the Democrats.
There seems to be a level of camaraderie between former presidents, but it doesn’t extend to Taco. That was evident at Jimmy Carter’s funeral where Biden, Bush, Obama and Clinton exchanged pleasantries but avoided Taco. I’m not sure whether that’s due to an understandable genuine dislike of the man, an unwillingness to be associated with his politics, or a combination.
Previous Republican presidents have generally conducted themselves with dignity and in a statesmanlike manner. Political assassinations still occurred, but not in the context of aggressive, hate-filled speech that emanates from the White House now. The Utah governor’s firm pushback against the MAGA calls for retribution is reminiscent of the pre-MAGA GOP.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by Lods -I think if we focus on the main topic of this thread, which is essentially Trump and America post 2016, we need to be careful about equivocating and assuming some kind of both sides equivalence. The data make it pretty clear that the Trump Republicans are much worse rhetorically and practically than the Democrats.
I'm pretty sure most folks with a Democratic leaning would agree with that assessment Paul.
Just as most people with a Republican leaning would think the opposite.
And there lies the problem
Both sides are one-eyed and blinded by their own perceptions to some of the things that are actually being said by their 'team'.
It's been confrontational since Trump's first term.
Few on any side have put any effort at all into toning down some of the rhetoric.
They say the words, but in the next sentence they pass a judgement that is likely to incite a negative response.
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 5: Carlton vs Gold Coast at Carlton
Last post by kruddler -We had more than 5 times the scoring shots than the suns by the end of it, including a couple that hit the post (and one that hit the little post) it was a dominant display that should've been even more dominant.
Brooke Vickers with her first game back in almost 2 years looked out of touch. A couple others early in their careers didn't show a whole lot, but the majority of the team are very solid. Cordner and Vellardo (and Hendry) down back intecepted everything that came their way.
Bree marked everything that came her way (could get a gig in the blokes side with hands like her)
The irish lasses' are a breath of fresh air who bring a never say die attitude that is infectious.
Sophie McKay should've had 5 and looks like a seasoned veteran, not a player playing their 5th game.
BIG test next week vs the Kangas.....but we are in form, so who knows.