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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 21 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Last post by LP -
If their list stays fit the Lions could well win another flag this year, and do it with a two ruck policy, what say you critics?

Of course if they fail, the critics will claim they failed because of two rucks.

It looks to me like a fit and in form Draper in combination with Fort is helping them plaster over many form issues, and to me this will potentially be the biggest weak spot for the Swans that both Freo and the Lions will leverage against them.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 21 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs Brisbane at Marvel
Last post by crashlander -
Our line-up:

B:   35 Harry Dean   47 Wade Derksen   14 Oliver Florent
HB:   2 Lachlan Cowan   26 Nick Haynes   36 Cooper Lord
C:   13 Blake Acres   9 Patrick Cripps   5 Adam Cerra
HF:   39 Talor Byrne   12 Ben Ainsworth   44 Francis Evans
F:   11 Mitch McGovern   10 Harry McKay   17 Brodie Kemp
R:   27 Marc Pittonet   7 Jagga Smith   18 Sam Walsh
Int:   15 Billy Wilson   29 George Hewett   33 Lewis Young   46 Matthew Cottrell   19 Will Hayward
Em:   4 Oliver Hollands   45 Flynn Young   37 Jordan Boyd

[1] H coming back helps us. Not disappointed to see Lewis Young hold his place either.
[2] The ruck is an issue: Brisbane have 2 specialists. Draper is in career best form. Pitto will work hard, but...
I'm not worried about Fort, but he is a specialist.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: How does Crippa rank among the panoply of Carlton greats?
Last post by Gointocarlton -
Quote from: PaulP – on
Quote from: tonyo – on
Agree, as good as Kouta was, he elite stuff only lasted for a relatively short period of time.

To be in the best 5 of the club, I reckon you need to have had a club-changing career, not just three or four seasons.   That puts many others in front of Kouta on the 'All Time' list.......

If we were only judging talent and impact, he rates pretty highly- but other names have had a longer-lasting and more profound effect on CFC.

Yes, when he was on there was no one better IMO. For comparison, he and Hird started and ended their careers at pretty much the same time, same age, similar number of games. I agree with your criteria, and judging by that, I would have Hird ahead of Kouta.

Hird was a superstar player, no doubt about it. Hird however could not do what Kouta could, not another player thats played the game could.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: How does Crippa rank among the panoply of Carlton greats?
Last post by kruddler -
Quote from: PaulP – on
Quote from: tonyo – on
Agree, as good as Kouta was, he elite stuff only lasted for a relatively short period of time.

To be in the best 5 of the club, I reckon you need to have had a club-changing career, not just three or four seasons.   That puts many others in front of Kouta on the 'All Time' list.......

If we were only judging talent and impact, he rates pretty highly- but other names have had a longer-lasting and more profound effect on CFC.

Yes, when he was on there was no one better IMO. For comparison, he and Hird started and ended their careers at pretty much the same time, same age, similar number of games. I agree with your criteria, and judging by that, I would have Hird ahead of Kouta.

So Pendles is the best player ever then? He's played the most games?? More success by comparison.
Or should you give it to Michael Tuck, close to most games and most finals and GF's.

The greatest players can have reasons they didn't sustain that success.

Depends on your criteria at the end of the day.

I'm picking Kouta over just about any other player out there. He changed the game and what recruiters started looking for......for better or worse.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: How does Crippa rank among the panoply of Carlton greats?
Last post by PaulP -
Quote from: tonyo – on
Agree, as good as Kouta was, he elite stuff only lasted for a relatively short period of time.

To be in the best 5 of the club, I reckon you need to have had a club-changing career, not just three or four seasons.   That puts many others in front of Kouta on the 'All Time' list.......

If we were only judging talent and impact, he rates pretty highly- but other names have had a longer-lasting and more profound effect on CFC.

Yes, when he was on there was no one better IMO. For comparison, he and Hird started and ended their careers at pretty much the same time, same age, similar number of games. I agree with your criteria, and judging by that, I would have Hird ahead of Kouta.