Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: kruddler – on February 08, 2026, 11:14:16 am

Its also a little about the ranges highlighted. Many a person, myself including, are over a couple ranges.

Its all guesswork anyway so hardly the end of thw world, but one thing i should add is that doesnt take into accoubt the carlton bias. You coukd almost shift down half a step/a full step of each vote to take that into account.

Bias will impact everyone's predictions   
If you've convinced yourself and argued for a good or bad season you'll tend to gravitate and give weight to a range that fits your forecast.

Quote from: Lods – on February 08, 2026, 09:45:10 am

It's interesting looking at the poll
We've had the "Chicken little" predictions and some "pie in the sky" predictions over the off-season, but inthe end mostly we're settling into expecting a ladder position that is either a few spots up or a few spots down from 2025

And those sort of fluctuations will almost solely be determined by luck and injury.

Its also a little about the ranges highlighted. Many a person, myself including, are over a couple ranges.

Its all guesswork anyway so hardly the end of thw world, but one thing i should add is that doesnt take into accoubt the carlton bias. You coukd almost shift down half a step/a full step of each vote to take that into account.

It's interesting looking at the poll
We've had the "Chicken little" predictions and some "pie in the sky" predictions over the off-season, but inthe end mostly we're settling into expecting a ladder position that is either a few spots up or a few spots down from 2025

And those sort of fluctuations will almost solely be determined by luck and injury.

Voss hasnt changed since his Brisbane days, same game plan, same player exodus issues and Daniel Bradshaw was reincarnated as Matt Kennedy before he received his holy marching orders and was excommunicated from the flock  . Its Dejavu so far with only the ending to come, will it be any different than 2013?
I have noticed that a few of the Voss and List spruikers are now lowering the bar and happy to accept missing finals in 2026, what happened to the new improved list, new football manager and new director of coaching? Surely there are no more excuses?
I have spent the last few months reading on the forum how TDK, Charlie and Jacks leaving was a blessing and they were holding back the club and how the new players have made us a much better team but that all seems to be changing since we are getting closer to the first round and those ultra positive supporters caught up in the hype are now in full retreat...
 

Quote from: Thryleon – on February 07, 2026, 04:10:17 pm

Performance or result?  You can play poorly and get a result, and you can play well and not get the result.

The two are often correlated but they dont always. 


The question i have is, will changes guarantee any outcome other than change?

If we arent expected to win, but fall short against sydney by less than a kick, is it a fail?

Nope not good enough. a loss is a fail simple as that.

Arent you tired of honourable loses? 

We were accustomed to accept them in the bolton green shoots years.

this list is not young and while i dont believe its good enough to push the best teams imo we cant just keep accepting mediocrity.

The best teams never do. 

Quote from: shawny – on February 07, 2026, 01:16:36 pm

la la land mate. Its a performance based industry.

While many say its wrong to look too far back when making current day decisions the fact is the supporters members sponsors etc are starved of success and have been very very patient. Most are all tired of all talk all the waiting all the spin. Voss has had a decent block to impress with what many think was a decent list - we had one good (a tad lucky) finals run in his tenure and that is simply not good enough despite the wrath of excuses the Voss believers want to throw up.

Its finals as a min in 2026 or he is gonski.
 

 

Performance or result?  You can play poorly and get a result, and you can play well and not get the result.

The two are often correlated but they dont always. 


The question i have is, will changes guarantee any outcome other than change?

If we arent expected to win, but fall short against sydney by less than a kick, is it a fail?

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on February 07, 2026, 04:32:18 pm

If the List was improved as was/is the support staff surely then the results have to improve ie win/loss ratio?....the new mickey mouse( nearly everyone plays finals format) doesnt count for me as I said it all about wins/losses and genuine improvement.
No one is expecting premierships or top 4 but the bar cant be 10 or 11, its got to be top 8 after a serious rebuild. There has to be a level of accountability after 5 years in the job and your second stint as an AFL senior coach imo where you should have the experience to deliver more than what we have seen so far.

For me top 8 would be slightly above expectations.
It would be hard to not renew Voss at that level (unless we lost our wild-card game)

Quote from: Lods – on February 07, 2026, 04:18:41 pm

I think you've misread some of the positivity.
I don't think too many were suggesting flags or even top 4.
It was more a case of around the same mark...11th or a couple of spots better.
Now even one spot higher (10th) and we're playing finals in 2026.

What people were saying is we don't need to drop dramatically as some of the doomsayers were predicting.

If the List was improved as was/is the support staff surely then the results have to improve ie win/loss ratio?....the new mickey mouse( nearly everyone plays finals format) doesnt count for me as I said it all about wins/losses and genuine improvement.
No one is expecting premierships or top 4 but the bar cant be 10 or 11, its got to be top 8 after a serious rebuild. There has to be a level of accountability after 5 years in the job and your second stint as an AFL senior coach imo where you should have the experience to deliver more than what we have seen so far.