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The Sports Desk / Re: Track and Field
Last post by Lods -
I'm not sure.
Yep, the Commonwealth games have slipped in a lot of sports in terms of prestige, but Sprinting is probably not one of those.

Without looking at the World 100/200 Lists I suspect if you took out the USA, athletes, most of the rest of the top 20 or so would be Commonwealth competitors
Jamaica and other Caribbean countries, South Africa, UK , Canada, Western African etc
The 100/200 metre finals at the Comm games will be a pretty good and fast race.

Gout is a world u/20 silver medallist in the 200 at the last championships.
He has plenty of time.
His coaching team seem to have a very good conservative approach to his development despite some 'outside' urging for him to match it against more mature competition.
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The Sports Desk / Re: Track and Field
Last post by LP -
Quote from: DJC – on

I get that this will be Gout Gout’s last opportunity to compete as a junior but it shows how much the Commonwealth Games have slipped as an elite competition.
Is there perhaps some reality versus perception?

If his management thought he might not fare so well in the Commonwealth Games they would probably want him to choose a path to maximise the longevity of his potential. Will he dominate u20?

There are many climbers who never quite reach the summit but are nether the less successful in the attempts! ;)
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by LP -
I clearly state when I am discussing perceptions and appearances versus reality, matters of subjectivity versus objectivity. We can laugh and joke about matters of footy, it's conspiracies, agency and perceptions of bias, but they are meaningless like the dribble on a footy panel show.

However, a town crier like approach to spreading lies and misdirection about real world politics and society is destructive and not a valid basis for argument, it is anarchistic in this thread and any other perspective.

Some might be offended by my call for those afflicted by distortions of reality to seek assistance, but it's a genuine call, we can't tell from the words who is taking the piss, who is a troll or who is genuine.

Those on this destructive type of path as a minimum hurt themself, but often also hurt others along the way, especially those impressionable. The same mechanism that leads youth to idolise nutters and radicals, words are as contributive to the youth crime epidemic as any drug dealer, words led to Desi, et al.. Hanson's version of democracy comes at a very high price to society, as the USA is finding out about RedTrump, and it starts with a loud false claim of systematic fraud or misrepresentation.

This is an open tolerant forum, far more tolerant to open debate than most, and one of the reasons we prefer it over so many others, people can spread conspiracies and fantasies within reason and shouldn't be offended when others may call them out for doing so.

Australia is not an autocracy, unlike some high profile regions, we actually do have freedom of speech.
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The Sports Desk / Re: Track and Field
Last post by DJC -
Probably should have mentioned Gout Gout’s decision to run at the under 20 championships in preference to the Commonwealth Games.

I get that this will be Gout Gout’s last opportunity to compete as a junior but it shows how much the Commonwealth Games have slipped as an elite competition.
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The Sports Desk / Re: Track and Field
Last post by Lods -
While the State of Origin was on last night there was also a high quality track and field competition happening in Perth.
Quite a few good performances and a number of Commonwealth games qualifiers.

https://www.athletics.com.au/news/olympic-finalist-bol-ignites-perth-track-classic-to-kick-start-chemist-warehouse-summer-series/?_kx=xPgv_9Lm9Ol4MQHO9rX-klaPVbwG_OgFPIblZkB7MvU1yhYhLCezxqCu6SeARS3h.RbavwM


Last year was all about Gout Gout, but one young lass is starting to make a real impact in the sprinting world

The women's 100 metre race was won by the very talented New Zealander Zoe Hobbs in a slightly wind assisted 11.07 (+2.2).In third place was 14-year-old Charlotte Ehioghae (11.22)....watch this space. ;)
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by shawny -
Quote from: LP – on
@Shawny My concerns are genuine, you are on a self-destructive course fueled by social media fantasies, false claims and errors in fact. What if any valid points you make are lost in a blanket of subterfuge. Fantasies which you defend vigorously. It's a sign you're heading towards becoming the next Desi or Richard, and that is why my concerns are genuine. I've seen others go down this path, it never ends well.

People won't debate fantasy because those who profligate fantasy just grow the fantasy and bend it to suit perceptions and ignore or abuse those who often have done nothing more than offer reality as a measure of fact or fantasy. Even as the fantasies become more fantastical, the facts remain the same.

I can't or won't debate fantasies, but I'm free to never hesitate in pointing out errors, false claims or outright lies, which can be done with simple rudimentary facts.

Australian Government, Federal and State, is elected under the Westminster System. A system built on transparency, accountability and legality, even those matters held in camera area available to the review and debate of their peers, As such our political leaders are not autocrats, and they have no means of becoming autocratic. They answer to the public, they are elected by the public, and their political parties live and die by their performance. These are hard facts, not fantasy.


As kruddler has pointed out several times you don't read posts you just reply with any angle you can point score on, this time going on a tangent about a single point which has no relevance to the original post.

The original post was on our current Governments blowing of 15B of taxpayers money on hookers, bikies, drugs to name a few. Blind Freddie knows why you keep avoiding the original post so not going to spell it out.  

Also as you only deal in facts, this means we have all seen the last of your posts on how the AFL, Tribunal, Media all conspire against Carlton.... Remember you don't debate fantasy conspiracies, only facts mate :)) 

And by the way its Dezi not Desi..... If you're going to insult me get the spelling right ::)  
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by LP -
@Shawny My concerns are genuine, you are on a self-destructive course fueled by social media fantasies, false claims and errors in fact. What if any valid points you make are lost in a blanket of subterfuge. Fantasies which you defend vigorously. It's a sign you're heading towards becoming the next Desi or Richard, and that is why my concerns are genuine. I've seen others go down this path, it never ends well.

People won't debate fantasy because those who profligate fantasy just grow the fantasy and bend it to suit perceptions and ignore or abuse those who often have done nothing more than offer reality as a measure of fact or fantasy. Even as the fantasies become more fantastical, the facts remain the same.

I can't or won't debate fantasies, but I'm free to never hesitate in pointing out errors, false claims or outright lies, which can be done with simple rudimentary facts.

Australian Government, Federal and State, is elected under the Westminster System. A system built on transparency, accountability and legality, even those matters held in camera area available to the review and debate of their peers, As such our political leaders are not autocrats, and they have no means of becoming autocratic. They answer to the public, they are elected by the public, and their political parties live and die by their performance. These are hard facts, not fantasy.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by shawny -
Quote from: LP – on
Quote from: shawny – on

Thread about a past player?

The post you replied to was originally relating to the 15Billion debarkle and then shifted to whos names appear on voting papers, hence the reference to off topic.

i get its a specialty of those who cant keep on the topic of local matters when it doesnt suit their political views.

Its there for all to see 🤓
You're disingenuous, basically projecting your own behaviour, except as a tactic you are rubbish at it.

Everyone engaged in the Peter Dean bashing thread and this thread knows you're making a goose of yourself. What we don't know if it's you being deliberate to cross post and wind people up, or if you are just genuinely naive, chaotic and erratic.

But the more you post it becomes clearer and clearer you have little to say that is worth reading, you're painting yourself as either a rock thrower, sufferer of Dunning Kruger syndrome or genuinely detached from reality.

Don't go postal, get help, you genuinely need help I'm not joking.

You again refused to read my replay and answer it and went with a personal dig all in an attempt to avoid admitting the dean assault posts had absolutely nothing to do with when you chimed in.

By the way im so curious why did you choose to pipe up when you did yet crickets from
you when all the original posts were made about the wasting of 15billion dollars - now why would that be the case i wonder 😏?

Note- dont forget to include the dean assault again🥴
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by LP -
Quote from: shawny – on

Thread about a past player?

The post you replied to was originally relating to the 15Billion debarkle and then shifted to whos names appear on voting papers, hence the reference to off topic.

i get its a specialty of those who cant keep on the topic of local matters when it doesnt suit their political views.

Its there for all to see 🤓
You're disingenuous, basically projecting your own behaviour, except as a tactic you are rubbish at it.

Everyone engaged in the Peter Dean bashing thread and this thread knows you're making a goose of yourself. What we don't know if it's you being deliberate to cross post and wind people up, or if you are just genuinely naive, chaotic and erratic.

But the more you post it becomes clearer and clearer you have little to say that is worth reading, you're painting yourself as either a rock thrower, sufferer of Dunning Kruger syndrome or genuinely detached from reality.

Don't go postal, get help, you genuinely need help I'm not joking.

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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by DJC -
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: DJC – on


But you said that the current State government wasn’t democratically elected.

thats not what i said at all!!

my comment was relating to allan not being elected democratically.

she was elected by her party and i stand by that.

I understand what your saying but dont agree with it.

anyhow we are going in circles

The leader of every government and opposition in Australia is elected by their Party; Sussan Ley was elected by the Liberals in Canberra, now it's Angus Taylor.  We had Rudd-Gillard-Rudd, then Abbott-Turnbull-Morrison, all PMs elected by their parties.  The Victorian opposition has had Guy-O'Brien-Guy-Pesutto-Battin-Wilson, all elected by the Liberal party room.  And we've had Baillieu-Napthine and then Andrews-Allan as Premier.  The voters don't have a say in it.

I get that you don't like Allan, or Andrews, but Allan was democratically elected, as was her government, and she is Premier in accordance with the Westminster principles of government that have been in place in Victoria since 1855.