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Quote from: Baggers – on December 20, 2025, 09:27:36 am

And I would argue that as a preliminary final side in '23, we were brittle as evidenced by the result. How did Charles perform in that finals series? The cracks were there to the objective observer. In terms of the coaching group (leadership)... we did stay the course and the results for 2024/5 worsened each year.

To assume that because you make a preliminary final you'll just naturally, even magically, improve the next year is naive at best... hubris at worst.

2 sides to every coin.

How well did we do with Charlie doing nothing? Imagine if we get him up to speed and added depth around him, rather than losing depth. Thats not so 'magical' now is it?

Results did worsen, but thats about the playing list rather than the coaching.
Even Docherty said as much post retirement.....thats if you don't want to take my word for it which was well documented at the time as well.

....and one last thing.
The result 'proves' we were brittle?

In case you are unaware, that team that showed how 'brittle' we were, were a goal off having a 3-peat.....and we had them 5 goals down on their home deck early.
Doesn't seem brittle to me. Seems to have been beaten by the best side in the modern game right now

Quote from: kruddler – on December 20, 2025, 05:30:33 am

I would argue that as a prelim side, drastic measures were not required, but rather staying the course wouldve yielded better results.

And I would argue that as a preliminary final side in '23, we were brittle as evidenced by the result. How did Charles perform in that finals series? The cracks were there to the objective observer. In terms of the coaching group (leadership)... we did stay the course and the results for 2024/5 worsened each year.

To assume that because you make a preliminary final you'll just naturally, even magically, improve the next year is naive at best... hubris at worst.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on December 19, 2025, 12:18:19 pm

And the October 7 slaughter of Jews by Palestinians? Let me guess, they didnt like the music at the Music Festival?

Since that terrible, unforgiveable slaughter by Hamas terrorists, the IDF has killed 70,000 Palestinians and thousands of children are starving and being denied basic human rights like education and healthcare.  Is that being done on religious grounds or is it just acceptable collateral damage on the way to more land for Israeli settlers or Taco's 'Riviera of the Middle East'?

What pisses me off about our Government is that they won't push back against the corrupt war criminal Netanyahu, who is more responsible for the anti-Zionism that's sweeping the world than anyone else.

Quote from: LP – on December 19, 2025, 10:45:22 pm

Sure, it's a risk, but doing the same thing over and over again,,............... well we know what that means!

I would argue that as a prelim side, drastic measures were not required, but rather staying the course wouldve yielded better results.

Quote from: kruddler – on December 19, 2025, 05:56:36 am

Thing with being average and changing the way you do things, it can also leave you further behind the rest as a result

Sure, it's a risk, but doing the same thing over and over again,,............... well we know what that means!

Thing with being average and changing the way you do things, it can also leave you further behind the rest as a result

Since that terrible, unforgiveable slaughter by Hamas terrorists, the IDF has killed 70,000 Palestinians and thousands of children are starving and being denied basic human rights like education and healthcare.  Is that being done on religious grounds or is it just acceptable collateral damage on the way to more land for Israeli settlers or Taco's 'Riviera of the Middle East'?

What pisses me off about our Government is that they won't push back against the corrupt war criminal Netanyahu, who is more responsible for the anti-Zionism that's sweeping the world than anyone else.

I don't think anyone would question the time and effort Kruddler puts into his analysis of list management and other discussion points.  However, there's plenty to question about his methodology, assumptions and conclusions, and that's what helps make this place tick.

Again, I don't think anyone here would be unhappy if we were to draft the next Jonathan Brown, but there's a much greater chance that any club hoping for a Jonathan Brown will end up with a Jonathon Patton.  Bringing in another Stephen Kernahan via trade or free agency would be far more likely to be successful.

The scuttlebutt is that we were interested in Louis Emmett but the Bulldogs snapped him up.  Would the "draft a KPF" crew been happy with that?  What about if the rest of the scuttlebutt is correct and he's going to be developed as a KPD?

What annoys me about the criticism of our list management team's work at the draft is not so much the bleating about not picking a KPF, no matter how banged up or unready for AFL he might have been.  It's the downplaying of the fact that we snared the best KPP in the draft.  All I read is 'he can't play on 200cm KPFs', 'we only got him because he's a father-son pick', 'he won't be ready for AFL', he's too short', 'he won't be as good as Jack', 'we've put all our eggs in one basket', 'we should have drafted a KPF instead of a KPD', why didn't we draft a State league KPP?', 'we could have taken [insert any delisted rookie KPP]' ...

Drafting Harry Dean (and Jack Ison) was a masterclass in NGA player development and astute list management.  That is probably why both Fox and ESPN rate our work at the draft as equal third best ... but what would they know?  And they're probably following an agenda.

And the October 7 slaughter of Jews by Palestinians? Let me guess, they didnt like the music at the Music Festival?

Most of the players from 2023 were SOS's