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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by kruddler -
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Only those crimes that are the subject of formal reports by victims or incidents attended by VicPol are included in the stats so yes, fewer police = less reports logged.  However, back in the day you were more likely to get a crack with a baton or a punch in the guts  than be charged.  Topless "waitresses" definitely wouldn't have reported sexual assault by VFL footballers back then either.

re bold.....and that would lead to a lot less repeat offenders nowadays too. Sadly, that is not allowed anymore.
Instead, back out on the streets within 24 hours ready to go again, knowing that the 'consequences' were basically non-existant.

Which, in practice, would suggest there would be plenty of crimes that get overlooked as the coppers know that the paperwork isn't worth their time as a result. So less crime is reported.

I've got police members in the family. One left over a decade ago after serving 2 or more decades. One is now almost at retirement age after decades. I hear all sorts of stories.

To me there is a definite shift.
In the past, you could always find trouble if you went looking for it.

Now, trouble finds you when you least expect it......and often.
The 'cancer kid' is proof of that.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by DJC -
ABC News 23 Dec 2005

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Two men found guilty of murdering three men after a fight outside the Salt nightclub in South Yarra in Melbourne three years ago, have each been sentenced to 30 years in jail.

Five other men will serve lesser sentences for the murder of one of the men in the fight.

The seven men were found guilty of murdering 19-year-old James Huynh, who died after being attacked with samurai swords and machetes.

Cuong Quoc Lam, 26 and Hung Tu Van, 29, were also found guilty of the murders of Mr Huynh's two cousins, who drowned after jumping into the Yarra River to escape that attack.

They have been sentenced to 30 years in jail with a 23-year non-parole period.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by madbluboy -
Two teens charged over a horror home invasion that saw a Werribee man slashed to the face with a samurai sword while trying to protect his family were both on bail.

And one of the boys, 15, had faced a children’s court just hours before the robbery on Monday, the aftermath of which was caught on camera showing a neighbour with a baseball bat coming to aid of a police officer wrestling an alleged thug.

A children’s court heard the teenager was on three counts of bail, with his defence lawyer saying his “engagement was really positive” until he was arrested over the shocking attack that left victim Gof Sritanaamorn hospitalised.

He refused to come up from the cells to appear in court on Tuesday and was remanded alongside his co-accused, 14.

The younger boy was preparing to go for bail again on Wednesday after spending his first night in custody.

Mr Sritanaamorn was slashed across the face with a samurai sword while trying to protect his wife and young daughter during the terrifying home invasion.

In shocking scenes captured on CCTV, one officer tackled one of the alleged armed robbers as he tried to flee the car, while the neighbour joined in and landed several blows with his baseball bat.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by DJC -
Quote from: kruddler – on
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Victoria's Crime Statistics Agency provides pretty comprehensive data that's easy to access:

https://www.crimestatistics.vic.gov.au/

Be interested to see what makes up those stats.
"The number of criminal incidents recorded by Victoria Police in the year to 31 March 2026 was 468,711, down 1.0% from 473,518 incidents recorded in the same period last year."

June 2025: 15,909 police officers (Total workforce: 21,332)
June 2024: 16,059 police officers (Total workforce: 21,715)
June 2023: 15,842 police officers (Total workforce: 21,326)

I found estimates of 15,600 police this year.

Those numbers are 'whats recorded'.
The number of police officers available to record these crimes are going the opposite way to the number of crimes.
I suspect that a large part of the 'drop in crime' is simply things are not being recorded.

I suspect if there was 0 police officers around to record things, crimes recorded would magically disappear too. ;)

My son has the office next to the head of the Crime Statistics Agency but I'm not sure that he'd be willing to ask her for clarification.  He has told me about in-house presentations she's given and she does appear on the wireless from time to time.

Only those crimes that are the subject of formal reports by victims or incidents attended by VicPol are included in the stats so yes, fewer police = less reports logged.  However, back in the day you were more likely to get a crack with a baton or a punch in the guts  than be charged.  Topless "waitresses" definitely wouldn't have reported sexual assault by VFL footballers back then either.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by kruddler -
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Mate I was sitting there in the rain in row G on level 1 for 75% of the game, and when we fell 50 points behind, that was my signal to go because me and the Mrs were getting wet, and whilst we all support the club, every single club has fans that leave early once the game is gone. 
Again, there are lots of good reasons for people to leave (weather being one) and I don't want to sound too critical (but I am I know). I was top level, under cover and lots were leaving from that section.
Just thought, being the last game as well as the great season finish, that the team deserved to be cheered off. More than anything, I was disappointed.

I've sat through many a 100 point thumping until the final siren sounded because 'thats what you do.'
However, after seeing thousands leaving early in the 4th.....i along with my 11yo son took the chance to leave too. I made it clear that its not the done thing to leave early and explained to him why we were doing it.
1. It was a Friday night and he had been at school that day, and it was super late for him. Didn't get home until just before midnight IIRC.
2. We had to catch the train and you can potentially be stuck there for well over 30 minutes to an hour based on the amount of people there.
3. Being out that late in the city and/or around train stations is not the place to be, especially with a kid.

Incidently, there was a fatal shooting sunday night, 730pm in Thomastown.....which we had to pass through on the train on the way home, highlighting the dangers we are trying to avoid.

So i would normally be agreeing with you, but there are too many legitimate reasons these days to get upset with that.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by kruddler -
Quote from: DJC – on
Victoria's Crime Statistics Agency provides pretty comprehensive data that's easy to access:

https://www.crimestatistics.vic.gov.au/

Be interested to see what makes up those stats.
"The number of criminal incidents recorded by Victoria Police in the year to 31 March 2026 was 468,711, down 1.0% from 473,518 incidents recorded in the same period last year."

June 2025: 15,909 police officers (Total workforce: 21,332)
June 2024: 16,059 police officers (Total workforce: 21,715)
June 2023: 15,842 police officers (Total workforce: 21,326)

I found estimates of 15,600 police this year.

Those numbers are 'whats recorded'.
The number of police officers available to record these crimes are going the opposite way to the number of crimes.
I suspect that a large part of the 'drop in crime' is simply things are not being recorded.

I suspect if there was 0 police officers around to record things, crimes recorded would magically disappear too. ;)
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by crashlander -
I was 14 when I got bashed by some thugs after a [practice game at Princes Park. I hate to think what they would have done today, as similar thugs would be armed.
Mind you, it was the spark that made me learn karate. I got to brown with 2 black stripes (1 grading away from black in my style) before injury ruined that.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by Milhanna13 -
Quote from: RiverRat – on
Quote from: deepbluesee – on

Again, there are lots of good reasons for people to leave (weather being one)

Another couple of good reasons are trying to avoid the public transport crush and trying to avoid being out in public any later than necessary in crime-riddled Melbourne.

i was grateful for the early max-exodus,  as it made the trudge to richmond station a million times easier than last week....  smoothed the exit out over 45mins, rather than all at once.    not sure id seen brunton ave like it was last week, it was insane.  this week (after the final siren) was a bit more normal