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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Last post by Lods -
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It irrelevant, if I don’t have your support, I may as well let you get on with the changes that you obviously want to make.
Totally reasonable position.

I tend to agree.

Yes
I also agree
The point is that Voss's departure is being framed as a 'sacking' rather than a failure to renew a contract.
Now, you can argue "little difference" ...the end result is the same.
But there is a difference... in terms of who determined the timing of that decision.
We will write that the club determined that timing, and over the years that will become "we sacked Voss midway through the year," when in fact the timing and method of his departure was determined by Voss.
He went out on his terms, at a time of his choosing.
Which version do you think he would prefer?
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
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Strip it all back, new coach, new captain, new leadership group, new List Manager and do it right...

And that is the recipe we've been following since Parko retired  ::)
When Form Fours went out the door and the AFL went down the equalization path having the rich clubs being made to subsidize the poor clubs we never recovered. More Money was what bought our success, our List Management in particular has been horrendous and as I said to you pre season dont get your hopes up with a few fringe players replacing the quality we had leaving.
Wright has already removed the LM and coach so he must see that as a problem area too....
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Last post by kruddler -
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I thought the second half against Brisbane was basically similar to last night, just that last night we went at it a bit longer and didn't allow the Dogs to get the same run on. But a lot of it is Cripps, he has the most dominant game I've seen from him in two years, and was continually driving us forward even when we were wasting the footy.

Other than sticking with the plan better and longer, it was basically the same game tactics we've been trying to implement all season. I do find it odd that many only notice it now, after a win, they must be blinded by hatred at other times! To me it's been obvious we have been trying to implement a Lions style of play, I've been writing as much since about Rnd 3 or 4, just that we have been NBG at it!

I thought the young Dogs were not allowed the same degree of freedom, or were incapable of making the same space, that the Lions could.

If we were truly much better we should have won by 5 or 6 goals, I'm still a little disheartened by our tendency to limp to the end.
Not dropping off at any time during the 4 qtrs, not falling 8 goals behind like last week, not getting bowled over in the last half like other weeks. Just 4 qtrs. Might not have been a pretty 4 qtrs, as low scorers are, until the last qtr but we were able to keep going the whole game. Controlling tempo with uncontested marks at times, as 124 marks shows, left us with plenty of run when it mattered. We were smarter in that regard.

There was a period in the game where we'd kicked 1 goal in 45 minutes of football.
They kicked 3.3 in that time.

If that was 5.1 or 6.0 goals instead, would that change your thought process?

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Last post by Thryleon -
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Strip it all back, new coach, new captain, new leadership group, new List Manager and do it right...

And that is the recipe we've been following since Parko retired  ::)
I cant wait for another 5 years of holding up the ladder.  Whats another 100 games for 20 wins between Carlton supporters?  We might even get another number 1 draft pick whilst we are at it.  We have had the most of any club this century and still cant work out that the cost benefit doesn't weigh up.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Last post by laj -
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Did we really play that much better than last week?

To me it was similar output, only difference was the opposition were not as good.
I thought the second half against Brisbane was basically similar to last night, just that last night we went at it a bit longer and didn't allow the Dogs to get the same run on. But a lot of it is Cripps, he has the most dominant game I've seen from him in two years, and was continually driving us forward even when we were wasting the footy.

Other than sticking with the plan better and longer, it was basically the same game tactics we've been trying to implement all season. I do find it odd that many only notice it now, after a win, they must be blinded by hatred at other times! To me it's been obvious we have been trying to implement a Lions style of play, I've been writing as much since about Rnd 3 or 4, just that we have been NBG at it!

I thought the young Dogs were not allowed the same degree of freedom, or were incapable of making the same space, that the Lions could.

If we were truly much better we should have won by 5 or 6 goals, I'm still a little disheartened by our tendency to limp to the end.
Not dropping off at any time during the 4 qtrs, not falling 8 goals behind like last week, not getting bowled over in the last half like other weeks. Just 4 qtrs. Might not have been a pretty 4 qtrs, as low scorers are, until the last qtr but we were able to keep going the whole game. Controlling tempo with uncontested marks at times, as 124 marks shows, left us with plenty of run when it mattered. We were smarter in that regard.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
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I thought our contested work was better than theirs and we slowed the game down later in the game by holding onto the ball and not trying to run with it to limit turnovers. It was the same game style imo but with a different finishing style but it was  again based around stoppage goals or free kick goals but not much system.
A win is a win and you take the  4 points but the big picture for me is rebuilding the list and getting better draft picks so winning is a short term view and I'd rather we just blood youngsters like Port are doing and finish we where we need to so we get max benefit at draft time.

I dunno about that method EB. I prefer we build a winning culture still get Walker and maybe attract a decent FA - the list is not anywhere near as bad as our ladder position IMO.

Get games into the 6 kids that played yesterday and add Walker to that and our young talent is more than ok.

Just for our culture I dont want to lose Cripps and a bottom 2 finish regardless of a few extra low picks will make it hard for him to want to stay and no chance of attracting talent in via a trade.

Get 8-9 wins finish 11th-12th and we will be viewed very differently internally and externally if we win 2 more games and finish bottom 2-3. Our club needs wins to be spirit and the winning culture much more IMO then an extra early pick or 2.

     
I guess where we differ is our opinion of the list, I think its terrible, slow, poorly skilled, unbalanced, wrong age profile/games played for a bottom team and built for a gameplan that Noah designed before he built the ark. The sacking of Agresta and Austin would tell me that Wright isnt convinced either and wants changes and im sorry but Id be trading Cripps and a couple of others while they have value. A few sugar hit wins like we saw with David Teague just wallpapers some massive cracks imo and leads us to another false dawn . I want a rebuild of the list, draft picks to help fix it and a List Manager who knows what he is doing.
To me making a wildcard final game would be the worst result as the club would think it has the list moving forward and  the cycle will start again and another coach will have his head on a stick outside ikon park in a couple of years.
Strip it all back, new coach, new captain, new leadership group, new List Manager and do it right...
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Last post by northernblue -
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From what Voss was saying it seemed that he was the one who initiated the talk with Davies.
It was during that discussion it was apparent that Voss understood he was not getting a new contract.
He then chose to leave after the Brisbane game...the timing was more his choice.
As such he gave away the opporunity for wins against the Bulldogs and Port

It irrelevant, if I don’t have your support, I may as well let you get on with the changes that you obviously want to make.
Totally reasonable position.