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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: How does Crippa rank among the panoply of Carlton greats?
Last post by Gointocarlton -I was thinking of years 1996 to 1998 (from memory). Those 3 seasons werent amazing for Kouta. Might have coincided around his dad passing from memory.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: How does Crippa rank among the panoply of Carlton greats?
Last post by Professer E -When he did his knee the second against the swans was the second darkest day I've had watching footy.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by Thryleon -Yes Shawny, that is true, but don't think it's tax free. Once upon a time, I think 2 terms gave you a parliamentary pension.
They are the rules, it doesn't matter who they are or what they did. It won't be long before no one is eleigible - my quick search was 5 (excl Jacinta):
Lily D'Ambrosia (Lab)
David Davis (Lib)
Kim Wells (Lib)
Peter Walsh (Nat)
Adem Sumyurek (Ind)
Id rather pay tax on her income than get that!
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: How does Crippa rank among the panoply of Carlton greats?
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: How does Crippa rank among the panoply of Carlton greats?
Last post by kruddler -Kouta was amazing in top flight, but some of his ordinary games detract from his legacy.
Cripps... I have to say, he has been bloody good and of his 250 games, I reckon less than 5% are bad ones.
2 x brownlow medallist puts him in Greg Williams territory, and the knock on his kicking doesnt really detract from his legacy. He is in rare air, and dont ask me who Cripps goes past in the pantheon of Carlton greats, but he is easily in the top percentile. If he jagged a flag as captain, then he would instantly become a top 5.
Kouta was unstoppable in full flight.....anywhere over the ground.
His 2000 year would be about the best year by anyone, ever......except Woewodin?
He averaged 6.3 clearances a game and 1.8 goals and 2.75 contested marks a game.
For the record, Harry has never had that many contested marks in any given year (2.6 CM/g)
Harry has only average more goals a game in 4 of his 10 years (1 year was only 1.83)
Cripps averages 7 clearances over his career, his 45 brownlow vote season, he averaged 8.
Kouta was able to match it with both, at the same time.
After the knee, he became 'ordinary' as he was a different player but reinvented his game and became a clearance beast.
In 2005 he averaged more clearances than anyone, including prime Judd and Kirk.
You could pick your starting 17 and whatever you had left, you could put Kouta into it, and he wouldn't be out of place.
So nobody comes close to Kouta for mine simply because he could do anything, and did.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: How does Crippa rank among the panoply of Carlton greats?
Last post by Lods -Kouta was amazing in top flight, but some of his ordinary games detract from his legacy.
Cripps... I have to say, he has been bloody good and of his 250 games, I reckon less than 5% are bad ones.
2 x brownlow medallist puts him in Greg Williams territory, and the knock on his kicking doesnt really detract from his legacy. He is in rare air, and dont ask me who Cripps goes past in the pantheon of Carlton greats, but he is easily in the top percentile. If he jagged a flag as captain, then he would instantly become a top 5.
I think Cripps is already top 5, and also agree on Kouta. If you take his career in toto, there's a lot of ordinary games after his peak. When you add in his shenanigans with Pagan and what is IMO poor leadership, I think he must lose additional brownie points.
We can't judge on the off-field stuff.
There are a few dark chapters in a number of our greats.
Kouta's ordinary games came mostly after his injury in 2000
He was never the same.
At his peak in 2000 he was arguably the best of them all.
But yes!
You could make a good case for the fact he was never a great captain.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: How does Crippa rank among the panoply of Carlton greats?
Last post by PaulP -Kouta was amazing in top flight, but some of his ordinary games detract from his legacy.
Cripps... I have to say, he has been bloody good and of his 250 games, I reckon less than 5% are bad ones.
2 x brownlow medallist puts him in Greg Williams territory, and the knock on his kicking doesnt really detract from his legacy. He is in rare air, and dont ask me who Cripps goes past in the pantheon of Carlton greats, but he is easily in the top percentile. If he jagged a flag as captain, then he would instantly become a top 5.
I think Cripps is already top 5, and also agree on Kouta. If you take his career in toto, there's a lot of ordinary games after his peak. When you add in his shenanigans with Pagan and what is IMO poor leadership, I think he must lose additional brownie points.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: How does Crippa rank among the panoply of Carlton greats?
Last post by Gointocarlton -Kouta was amazing in top flight, but some of his ordinary games detract from his legacy.
Cripps... I have to say, he has been bloody good and of his 250 games, I reckon less than 5% are bad ones.
2 x brownlow medallist puts him in Greg Williams territory, and the knock on his kicking doesnt really detract from his legacy. He is in rare air, and dont ask me who Cripps goes past in the pantheon of Carlton greats, but he is easily in the top percentile. If he jagged a flag as captain, then he would instantly become a top 5.