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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by Lods -
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Percentage is meaningless after three games.
A heavy loss or a big win can change  percentage from a big positive to a big negative in one game.

Do you think Gold Coast will have a percentage of 191% at the end of the year?
Percentages won't settle as an indicator until well into the season.

No....its not meaningless. It very much has meaning and is displaying our form accurately.
Form is fleeting (we hope) and % can and will change throughout the year.

However, nobody in their right mind would say Gold Coast are struggling.
Nor would they say we are flying.
So again, certainly not meaningless.

No, it means nothing at this stage of the year.

And is definitely not comparable to previous years

Different rules
Different opposition

We win a couple of games by 40-50 points at this tme of the year and you shoot past the 100%
Do that at the end of the year with bigger point totals and it doesn't cause the same fluctuations.

Watch Gold Coast's percentage drop, even if they keep winning.

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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
Last post by DJC -
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Ah I see, we argued an out on a different definition of slavery to argue we never had slavery even though the evidence runs contrary to that.

So we can argue semantics, you are right, and I am wrong, we never participated in slavery despite the evidence showing otherwise.  Is that it?

It's not semantics, it's fact.  Australians have never owned other people,

Some of the old ladies I worked with early in my career were trained as domestic servants on the missions and were employed on pastoral stations - employed being the operative word.  They were paid - not very much - and some of them were treated very badly - but they were paid and could leave if they wanted to. 

I'm not arguing that Indigenous Australians and Melanesian indentured labourers weren't treated badly, far from it, but they weren't owned, bought and sold or considered to be property.

Modern slavery may take in slavery-like offences, such as forced labour, debt bondage and human trafficking, as I mentioned previously.   However, Australia is still bound by the 1926 International Convention to Suppress the Slave Trade and Slavery and its definition of slavery.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Last post by kruddler -
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Chicken and egg.

Did he play the least amount of game time because he was no good?
Was he no good because he didn't get much game time?

Based on previous efforts, i'm going with the first one.

That leaves me with option 2....because we cant agree on anything at the moment :D

If it was because he was poor he won't be playing next week.

....and what if the cupboard is so bare we don't have a choice BUT to play him?
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Last post by Lods -
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HOK also had the least game time of any Carlton player on the weekend- 44%

Chicken and egg.

Did he play the least amount of game time because he was no good?
Was he no good because he didn't get much game time?

Based on previous efforts, i'm going with the first one.

That leaves me with option 2....because we cant agree on anything at the moment :D

If it was because he was poor he won't be playing next week.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
Last post by dodge -
It's actually pretty easy to follow.  Thry is right.

LP:
Agreed, social media confuses systemic slavery like the USA or UK, with criminal enslavement like prostitution / people smuggling. By the way I think the legal system terms what many on social media call slavery as subjugation.

No, that isn't social media.  It is a definition.  Easy to look up - the link I posted (Australian Gov. What is Modern Slavery) had this in it:

Modern slavery can take many forms. These include:

human trafficking
slavery
slavery-like practices:
forced labour
forced marriage
servitude
debt bondage
deceptive recruiting.
Modern slavery also includes the worst forms of child labour.

It happens in every country, including Australia.

If you want more, read the Modern Slavery Act 2018 - dunno if it's definition of slavery would be right...
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by kruddler -
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I was going to say the same thing as EB.

I think EBs point is that the judgement before a ball was kicked in anger was premature expectations.

After 3 games last year our % was 83.3%
After 3 games this year our % is 72.9%......and we were luckily enough to hold on and win one of them.

Based on form.....i'm taking last year.

Percentage is meaningless after three games.
A heavy loss or a big win can change  percentage from a big positive to a big negative in one game.

Do you think Gold Coast will have a percentage of 191% at the end of the year?
Percentages won't settle as an indicator until well into the season.

No....its not meaningless. It very much has meaning and is displaying our form accurately.
Form is fleeting (we hope) and % can and will change throughout the year.

However, nobody in their right mind would say Gold Coast are struggling.
Nor would they say we are flying.
So again, certainly not meaningless.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 3 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne
Last post by kruddler -
Quote from: Thryleon – on
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I was going to say the same thing as EB.

I think EBs point is that the judgement before a ball was kicked in anger was premature expectations.

After 3 games last year our % was 83.3%
After 3 games this year our % is 72.9%......and we were luckily enough to hold on and win one of them.

Based on form.....i'm taking last year.

I know its hard to compare, but youre putting words in people's mouths again. Your contention was we'd go backwards where most were saying we wont miss Charlie.  Thing is, are we missing Charlie?  How about tdk?  Or jsos?

Thing is this is what the discussion was.

Not whether or not we'd magically improve.  How far back do we slide?  Id wager with Charlie in, we might have done a bit better, but tdk was going anyway, and jsos is a hard one to quantify as he only averaged 12 games a season.  What if he had missed these ones? 

The Melbourne loss might not be as bad as we think, theyve at least got the bones of a premiership side there and some bonafide stars. We have a vanilla team, and we play vanilla footy.

Lets put it this way.
If we had those 3, they'd be in the team.
If we performed the same way we have, lets say we drop those 3.
Then we bring in their replacements......which are the blokes currently in the team. (because we don't have the original 3).
Now, since we have performed the way we have, lets piss those blokes off (the 'replacements' for the original 3).
Who do we bring in?

We have gone all in with the players we have since the departure and we don't have a backup plan in place. So, like now, when it doesn't work out we are screwed.
So regardless of whether those 3 leaving are/were capable of improving our performances to a point where it makes a difference on the win/loss column, now we don't even have that opportunity.

Now.....if for some reason those 3 found some half decent form, then the sky was the limit.
Currently, the sky is not the limit.......instead of reaching for the stars, i think we are just trying to keep our head above water. Its a completely different mindset.

.....and on top of all that, our 'replacements' eg, HOK, Kemp.....have lost whatever short lived form they ever had compounding all of the above.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Last post by Lods -
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Perhaps I was being harsh on HOK, after all he was at times up against one of the best ruckman to play the game
When I watched the replay about 1/2 of HOK's time on the ground was subbing for Young, Gov, Kemp or McKay.

His progress will be slow if he keeps getting used in such a fractured manner, but perhaps he is happy to do because he gets a game. Reminds me of when Cottrell started, a bits and pieces player that copped a lot of flak, but once he settled we got to see what he could do when fit.

Ignoring fitness of limitations, I think we really miss Cottrell's natural aggression.

HOK also had the least game time of any Carlton player on the weekend- 44%
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: General Discussions
Last post by kruddler -
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The Australian Government follows the definition set out in the International Convention to Suppress the Slave Trade and Slavery of 1926, that is 'the status or condition of a person over whom any or all of the powers attaching to the right of ownership are exercised'.  Almost all nations follow the 1926 convention.

There are slavery-like offences, such as forced labour, debt bondage and human trafficking but none involve ownership and, therefore, aren’t slavery.

It’s fine to take an academic perspective and argue that indentured labour is slavery but, legally, it’s not.
Ah I see, we argued an out on a different definition of slavery to argue we never had slavery even though the evidence runs contrary to that.

So we can argue semantics, you are right, and I am wrong, we never participated in slavery despite the evidence showing otherwise.  Is that it?

To paraphrase Billy Shakespear
"What’s in a name? That which we call a slave, by any other word would taste as bitter."