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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by DJC -
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But you said that the current State government wasn’t democratically elected.

thats not what i said at all!!

my comment was relating to allan not being elected democratically.

she was elected by her party and i stand by that.

I understand what your saying but dont agree with it.

anyhow we are going in circles

The leader of every government and opposition in Australia is elected by their Party; Sussan Ley was elected by the Liberals in Canberra, now it's Angus Taylor.  We had Rudd-Gillard-Rudd, then Abbott-Turnbull-Morrison, all PMs elected by their parties.  The Victorian opposition has had Guy-O'Brien-Guy-Pesutto-Battin-Wilson, all elected by the Liberal party room.  And we've had Baillieu-Napthine and then Andrews-Allan as Premier.  The voters don't have a say in it.

I get that you don't like Allan, or Andrews, but Allan was democratically elected, as was her government, and she is Premier in accordance with the Westminster principles of government that have been in place in Victoria since 1855.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by northernblue -
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But you said that the current State government wasn’t democratically elected.

thats not what i said at all!!

my comment was relating to allan not being elected democratically.

she was elected by her party and i stand by that.

I understand what your saying but dont agree with it.

anyhow we are going in circles now


As stated, you don’t vote for a leader.
You vote for a person in a group and the biggest group votes for one of their mates to be the boss.
You might think that the boss of one group has nice hair and white teeth but you don’t get to vote for them usually.
The best you can hope for is that that guys group is the biggest and that they subsequently make him boss but again, you usually don’t get to vote for him.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by shawny -
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I think you know what i meant. every bit of advertising leafouts hand outs shows the leaders face.


blind freddie knows who the leaders are.

anyhow as usual we have gotten off the subject so thats it from me.

But you said that the current State government wasn’t democratically elected.

thats not what i said at all!!

my comment was relating to allan not being elected democratically.

she was elected by her party and i stand by that.

I understand what your saying but dont agree with it.

anyhow we are going in circles now
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by shawny -
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anyhow as usual we have gotten off the subject so thats it from me.
So in a political thread discussing state politics elections are off topic, while in a thread about a past player being bashed in a car jacking in NSW we have to talk state politics!

Sure, we understand! ::)

Thread about a past player?

The post you replied to was originally relating to the 15Billion debarkle and then shifted to whos names appear on voting papers, hence the reference to off topic.

i get its a specialty of those who cant keep on the topic of local matters when it doesnt suit their political views.

Its there for all to see 🤓
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by DJC -
Quote from: shawny – on
I think you know what i meant. every bit of advertising leafouts hand outs shows the leaders face.


blind freddie knows who the leaders are.

anyhow as usual we have gotten off the subject so thats it from me.

But you said that the current State government wasn’t democratically elected.  Despite their many faults, the ALP was democratically elected with a thumping majority  - and a weak opposition of any flavour means that we have to rely on the media to keep the government on track, and that’s not good.

And the party leaders’ names are only on the ballot papers for their own electorates.  In fact it wasn’t so long ago that party affiliations weren’t permitted on ballot papers - and that’s why how to vote cards came into being.



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The Sports Desk / Re: God help me - the Cricket thread
Last post by LP -
The blokes clinging to their spot play safe and as a result they won't get us a win, they play safe because they know those welded into the squad are safe no matter what happens!
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by shawny -
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Why is their name on the ballot form
if your not electing the leader?
Unless you were in Allens or Andrews seat their names weren't on your ballot form.

I think you know what i meant. every bit of advertising leafouts hand outs shows the leaders face.


blind freddie knows who the leaders are.

anyhow as usual we have gotten off the subject so thats it from me.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by shawny -
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Allan was not elected 'by the people' to govern the state. Andrews was.  She was then 'elected' by the party which was my point.
Nobody elects a poltician to be a Premier, Treasurer or any other position, those positions are the result of an internal party vote as are casual vacanies in the Legilstative Council. We do not have a Republic or President.

In the Legislative Council(Upper House) you might well think you are voting for a person, but you are really voting for a party.

For the Legislative Assembly(Lower House), you vote locally for your local member, those who first win locally become candidates for the party to elect to senior positions.

Why is their name on the ballot form
if your not electing the leader?

every election campaign the leaders are debating against each other in full campaigning mode. spin it any way you want while we all know we vote for the party the leaders qualities polices etc are very much tied to him/her and who we all see when voting.

look at the last election all the hype talk was on kicking Dan out. it failed but all talk was on him.