Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: Thryleon – on February 07, 2026, 04:10:17 pm

Performance or result?  You can play poorly and get a result, and you can play well and not get the result.

The two are often correlated but they dont always. 


The question i have is, will changes guarantee any outcome other than change?

If we arent expected to win, but fall short against sydney by less than a kick, is it a fail?

Nope not good enough. a loss is a fail simple as that.

Arent you tired of honourable loses? 

We were accustomed to accept them in the bolton green shoots years.

this list is not young and while i dont believe its good enough to push the best teams imo we cant just keep accepting mediocrity.

The best teams never do. 

Quote from: shawny – on February 07, 2026, 01:16:36 pm

la la land mate. Its a performance based industry.

While many say its wrong to look too far back when making current day decisions the fact is the supporters members sponsors etc are starved of success and have been very very patient. Most are all tired of all talk all the waiting all the spin. Voss has had a decent block to impress with what many think was a decent list - we had one good (a tad lucky) finals run in his tenure and that is simply not good enough despite the wrath of excuses the Voss believers want to throw up.

Its finals as a min in 2026 or he is gonski.
 

 

Performance or result?  You can play poorly and get a result, and you can play well and not get the result.

The two are often correlated but they dont always. 


The question i have is, will changes guarantee any outcome other than change?

If we arent expected to win, but fall short against sydney by less than a kick, is it a fail?

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on February 07, 2026, 04:32:18 pm

If the List was improved as was/is the support staff surely then the results have to improve ie win/loss ratio?....the new mickey mouse( nearly everyone plays finals format) doesnt count for me as I said it all about wins/losses and genuine improvement.
No one is expecting premierships or top 4 but the bar cant be 10 or 11, its got to be top 8 after a serious rebuild. There has to be a level of accountability after 5 years in the job and your second stint as an AFL senior coach imo where you should have the experience to deliver more than what we have seen so far.

For me top 8 would be slightly above expectations.
It would be hard to not renew Voss at that level (unless we lost our wild-card game)

Quote from: Lods – on February 07, 2026, 04:18:41 pm

I think you've misread some of the positivity.
I don't think too many were suggesting flags or even top 4.
It was more a case of around the same mark...11th or a couple of spots better.
Now even one spot higher (10th) and we're playing finals in 2026.

What people were saying is we don't need to drop dramatically as some of the doomsayers were predicting.

If the List was improved as was/is the support staff surely then the results have to improve ie win/loss ratio?....the new mickey mouse( nearly everyone plays finals format) doesnt count for me as I said it all about wins/losses and genuine improvement.
No one is expecting premierships or top 4 but the bar cant be 10 or 11, its got to be top 8 after a serious rebuild. There has to be a level of accountability after 5 years in the job and your second stint as an AFL senior coach imo where you should have the experience to deliver more than what we have seen so far.

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on February 07, 2026, 03:47:28 pm

Voss hasnt changed since his Brisbane days, same game plan, same player exodus issues and Daniel Bradshaw was reincarnated as Matt Kennedy before he received his holy marching orders and was excommunicated from the flock  . Its Dejavu so far with only the ending to come, will it be any different than 2013?
I have noticed that a few of the Voss and List spruikers are now lowering the bar and happy to accept missing finals in 2026, what happened to the new improved list, new football manager and new director of coaching? Surely there are no more excuses?
I have spent the last few months reading on the forum how TDK, Charlie and Jacks leaving was a blessing and they were holding back the club and how the new players have made us a much better team but that all seems to be changing since we are getting closer to the first round and those ultra positive supporters caught up in the hype are now in full retreat...

I think you've misread some of the positivity.
I don't think too many were suggesting flags or even top 4.
It was more a case of around the same mark...11th or a couple of spots better.
Now even one spot higher (10th) and we're playing finals in 2026.

What people were saying is we don't need to drop dramatically as some of the doomsayers were predicting.

Voss hasnt changed since his Brisbane days, same game plan, same player exodus issues and Daniel Bradshaw was reincarnated as Matt Kennedy before he received his holy marching orders and was excommunicated from the flock  . Its Dejavu so far with only the ending to come, will it be any different than 2013?
I have noticed that a few of the Voss and List spruikers are now lowering the bar and happy to accept missing finals in 2026, what happened to the new improved list, new football manager and new director of coaching? Surely there are no more excuses?
I have spent the last few months reading on the forum how TDK, Charlie and Jacks leaving was a blessing and they were holding back the club and how the new players have made us a much better team but that all seems to be changing since we are getting closer to the first round and those ultra positive supporters caught up in the hype are now in full retreat...

Quote from: Thryleon – on February 07, 2026, 12:17:44 pm

I can see a situation where the coach isnt winning and then retains his position.  Its all about how they go about doing their job, and how we are doing.

If the wheels are falling off, then its bad, but if we are competitive but not quite displaying the ability to secure 4 points then he can probably keep the job regardless of results.

Sometimes there's more to it than the end result which is what coaches get judged on.

la la land mate. Its a performance based industry.

While many say its wrong to look too far back when making current day decisions the fact is the supporters members sponsors etc are starved of success and have been very very patient. Most are all tired of all talk all the waiting all the spin. Voss has had a decent block to impress with what many think was a decent list - we had one good (a tad lucky) finals run in his tenure and that is simply not good enough despite the wrath of excuses the Voss believers want to throw up.

Its finals as a min in 2026 or he is gonski.
 

 

I spent time on this forum and others listening to fans spend most of the last couple of seasons complaining about the lack of performance and consistency from the likes of Curnow and TDK, punctuated by glimpses of genuine capability, now that they are gone they are all of a sudden irreplaceable.