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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by Lods -
Quote from: shawny – on
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Where is most of the One Nation 'vote' coming from?
I suspect it's mostly a drift from the Coalition.

The LNP have a bit of a task because they have to pull that vote back, but they can't afford a drift too far to the right because they then lose that moderate vote in the middle where the next election will actually be decided.



Its too big a swing to be only from coalition supporters Lods.

No doubt a bit is coming from elsewhere but it's probably a single issue like immigration, cost of living that is drawing them.
I'm not sure One Nation has the answers they are looking for, especially in relation to something like the economy.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by Lods -
Quote from: PaulP – on
The idea that people would vote for a policy-less, clueless, pig ignorant racist as an expression of dissatisfaction with the major parties is laughable. If you don't think any of them are worth a vote, then you should stand on principle, wear a very modest financial penalty and not vote at all. Why would you replace one pile of trash with an even bigger pile, just to send a message, or stick to individuals or groups you don't like ?

It's a spectrum Paul, and One Nation are drawing from the right of the Coalition where the differences aren't as great as someone from the left would see them.
Barnaby Joyce is an example of someone where the lines are not so dramatic.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by shawny -
Quote from: Lods – on
Where is most of the One Nation 'vote' coming from?
I suspect it's mostly a drift from the Coalition.

The LNP have a bit of a task because they have to pull that vote back, but they can't afford a drift too far to the right because they then lose that moderate vote in the middle where the next election will actually be decided.



Its too big a swing to be only from coalition supporters Lods.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by shawny -
Quote from: PaulP – on
The idea that people would vote for a policy-less, clueless, pig ignorant racist as an expression of dissatisfaction with the major parties is laughable. If you don't think any of them are worth a vote, then you should stand on principle, wear a very modest financial penalty and not vote at all. Why would you replace one pile of trash with an even bigger pile, just to send a message, or stick to individuals or groups you don't like ?

Can't be less clueless than the current government and impossible to be as corrupt!

Your racist ignorant pig comment, based on current polls is unlikely to be a view shared by the majority unless of course the majority are all racists ignorant pigs..
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by PaulP -
The idea that people would vote for a policy-less, clueless, pig ignorant racist as an expression of dissatisfaction with the major parties is laughable. If you don't think any of them are worth a vote, then you should stand on principle, wear a very modest financial penalty and not vote at all. Why would you replace one pile of trash with an even bigger pile, just to send a message, or stick to individuals or groups you don't like ?
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by Lods -
Where is most of the One Nation 'vote' coming from?
I suspect it's mostly a drift from the Coalition.

The LNP have a bit of a task because they have to pull that vote back, but they can't afford a drift too far to the right because they then lose that moderate vote in the middle where the next election will actually be decided.

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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
Quote from: Lods – on
One Nation enjoys a measure of support at the moment because of the turmoil in both the Coalition parties.
That will drift away pretty quickly.
It's probably already started...watch the polls.
You'll probably find a lot of those people who are saying they're voting 'One Nation' are doing it as a bit of a protest at the state of coalition parties
One Nation might have some minor impact in the State election in SA I suspect it will be mostly gone by the time the Victorian election comes around

Hanson has had some strange bedfellows along the way but they never last.
The latest with Barnaby will go the same way.
They lack the political nous and organisation and are too different to successfully mount a co-ordinated challenge in  lower houses.
Their upper house seats often turn independent as disagreements arise with party leadership and direction.

I also see it in some respects as a bit of a leaning to the politics in America.
"Make Australia Great Again".
It was successful there...why not here?

The problem is, that 'bus' in the USA is gradually, but surely, losing its wheels and some just haven't caught up with the fact that it's a 'slippery slide' route to chaos that we really don't want to take.

Agree on the chaos and lack of alternatives in the Coalition but its also the failure of the Albanese Government in most areas and the lies ,corruption and lack of transparency in everything they do.
This is how the Nazi party achieved power in Germany after the Weimar Republic years brought recession, and desperation with no alternatives.
People will vote for or try anything when they are desperate and have run out of patience and ideas and then they turn to the nutters  ie One Nation.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by Lods -
One Nation enjoys a measure of support at the moment because of the turmoil in both the Coalition parties.
That will drift away pretty quickly.
It's probably already started...watch the polls.
You'll probably find a lot of those people who are saying they're voting 'One Nation' are doing it as a bit of a protest at the state of coalition parties
One Nation might have some minor impact in the State election in SA I suspect it will be mostly gone by the time the Victorian election comes around

Hanson has had some strange bedfellows along the way but they never last.
The latest with Barnaby will go the same way.
They lack the political nous and organisation and are too different to successfully mount a co-ordinated challenge in  lower houses.
Their upper house seats often turn independent as disagreements arise with party leadership and direction.

I also see it in some respects as a bit of a leaning to the politics in America.
"Make Australia Great Again".
It was successful there...why not here?

The problem is, that 'bus' in the USA is gradually, but surely, losing its wheels and some just haven't caught up with the fact that it's a 'slippery slide' route to chaos that we really don't want to take.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by shawny -
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: shawny – on
The goverment prevented a professional tennis player entering the country because he wouldnt take a vaccine but cant find a way to prevent ISIS sympathises who left on their own accord back onto our shores as its un lawfull. really?

Our PM provided his usual lip service after the Bondi terror attack saying he would make any changes needed to keep us safe yet as usual when it comes to the crunch he lies diverts and fails to act.

Yet people are still surprised with one nations rapid support.

The public have had a gutful of the current party.

Sorry Shawny but you’re not the public and I think you’ll find that the sensible centre has had a gutful of extremist claims, be they right or left.

As with the CFMEU $15-30Bn beat up, none of this stands up to scrutiny.  The Government, regardless of its persuasion, has to comply with the law. 


How do you explain one nation which is about as far right wing as you can get rapidly rising in popularity

Or is it another beat up BS story like the 15-30B of our tax payers money going to illegal activities, which as it cant be verified to your liking is now dismissed ?

DJC these are the times when you keep defending and refuse to admit any wrong doing that you lose credibility to me as its obvious your comments are not coming from a balanced view of the situation. Majority of us have a political side we support but most can also call a spade a spade too.

Oh well we shall all see in the upcoming elections what the people think.