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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Last post by Gointocarlton -
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Yeah, their long game is 25+ years and counting.

As best as i can tell their best option is to hope all 18 other teams fold.

 :))  :)) Yep, I had a good laugh too... but the point remains that the long game is 2027/8 and beyond. As supporters, we're impatient for success ...right now. Yours truly included. With the appointment of Vossy we were meant to make it to the top of the tree... but never really have looked like it. Perhaps a glimmer in 2023... and that's it. And remember that in 2023, the players met without coaches and took charge themselves... with impressive results.

Vossy commented at the 2025 JNM that we "culturally defeat ourselves." As one of the most important leaders at the club, Vossy should ask himself, "How did I participate in, or allow, that?" It happened on your watch, Vossy... after four years at the helm. Mmm... full length mirror time.


To be fair Baggers, there is plenty of documented evidence that Voss has always owned the bad (and the good for that matter). One person IMO who doesnt need a full length mirror is M Voss, he knows better than anyone he is in the firing line. I'd hazard a guess and say no one is working harder than him to turn the ship around.  I cant say the same for many other senior figures at the club.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Last post by Baggers -
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: Baggers – on
Seems to me the club had the long game in mind...

Yeah, their long game is 25+ years and counting.

As best as i can tell their best option is to hope all 18 other teams fold.

 :))  :)) Yep, I had a good laugh too... but the point remains that the long game is 2027/8 and beyond. As supporters, we're impatient for success ...right now. Yours truly included. With the appointment of Vossy we were meant to make it to the top of the tree... but never really have looked like it. Perhaps a glimmer in 2023... and that's it. And remember that in 2023, the players met without coaches and took charge themselves... with impressive results.

Vossy commented at the 2025 JNM that we "culturally defeat ourselves." As one of the most important leaders at the club, Vossy should ask himself, "How did I participate in, or allow, that?" It happened on your watch, Vossy... after four years at the helm. Mmm... full length mirror time.

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Last post by Lods -
Quote from: kruddler – on
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That's not what I'm asking
Put your list managers hat on give us three names we should have replaced TDK, Silvagni or Curnow with.

You can argue we didn't plan ahead in case they departed.
You can't argue we did nothing to replace them when they were gone, or looked like going, unless you can suggest some players we should have picked up.
I've given Khamis for Silvagni,that may even have been a win for us, but the Curnow deal got in the way.
Who for TDK and Curnow.

*Ding ding ding*

That aside...we shouldve pried someone out of gold coast when they were interested in charlie. Either king or the kid whose name escapes me right now.

Or if we insisted on sydney, got amartey back. Far from a gun replacement, but bwtter than steak knives florent.

Florent wasn't part of the Curnow trade.
It was done independently


But therin lies the problem....both those options are reasonable suggestions.
But if we made them, what was the response of the other side.
Did we make them, who knows?
We can suggest trades but it takes two sides to agree on them.
So the "We did nothing" only applies when these details are made public.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Last post by kruddler -
Quote from: Lods – on
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He has been the list manager for 6 years. Other clubs have recruited players. A few here had a laugh at Hawthorn getting Barrass and Battle despite having Frost and Sicily. They improved their defence.


That's not what I'm asking
Put your list managers hat on give us three names we should have replaced TDK, Silvagni or Curnow with.

You can argue we didn't plan ahead in case they departed.
You can't argue we did nothing to replace them when they were gone, or looked like going, unless you can suggest some players we should have picked up.
I've given Khamis for Silvagni,that may even have been a win for us, but the Curnow deal got in the way.
Who for TDK and Curnow.

*Ding ding ding*

That aside...we shouldve pried someone out of gold coast when they were interested in charlie. Either king or the kid whose name escapes me right now.

Or if we insisted on sydney, got amartey back. Far from a gun replacement, but bwtter than steak knives florent.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Last post by Lods -
Quote from: madbluboy – on
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Regarding not replacing the 'topliners'.

Serious question....
With who?
Who would we have taken in the last draft/trade period to replace them.

You can make a good case for not developing the repalcements long term.
But when DeKoning (expected), Silvagni (unexpected) and Curnow (umming and ahhing) decided to leave who should we have replaced them with.

He has been the list manager for 6 years. Other clubs have recruited players. A few here had a laugh at Hawthorn getting Barrass and Battle despite having Frost and Sicily. They improved their defence.


That's not what I'm asking
Put your list managers hat on give us three names we should have replaced TDK, Silvagni or Curnow with.

You can argue we didn't plan ahead in case they departed.
You can't argue we did nothing to replace them when they were gone, or looked like going, unless you can suggest some players we should have picked up.
I've given Khamis for Silvagni,that may even have been a win for us, but the Curnow deal got in the way.
Who for TDK and Curnow.