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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by Gointocarlton -
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Good luck getting our ball butchers and slow pokes to play the modern game. That's why we are in 16th spot.

Agree, both areas are in need of major change - coaching group is not up and the list needs major change to key areas. We are desperate with clean skilled users and players that can move quick when transitioning. Not sure we have any in these catagory.

The speed point is list managements failure the skills one is debatable. We dont seem to develop players well so who knows.     

You need a coach that can adapt to the times, provide sound gameplans that are tailored to beat the opposition each week and be capable of make smart game day moves the minute they are needed and finally to motivate the charges. Voss fails imo in most of those areas. 


Fact. Both at the start of Voss's tenure and again last off season when all the new assistants came in, the coaching group  worked with playing group to workshop and determined how the players wanted to play and their thoughts on the game plan they wanted and where they thought their strengths were. The coaches devised a game plan based on those workshops so to say Voss is not up to it is nonsense because they are all (playing group and coaches) equally complicit in the way they play. This fact is always overlooked in these discussions.
It is my opinion and probably the opinion of most footy analysts that we are 16th because as a team/list:
- We are slow (leg speed)
- We are poor kicks (field and for goal)
- We have poor onfield leadership from senior players.
Personally, ie my opinion, I think our players seem to have very low footy IQ compared to better teams in the comp. I based this on when I see the way they position relative to their opponents and how slowly they react to what's going on around them. You can changes the coaching group again if you want, after the initial sugar hit it will be back to where we are know whilst our list is composed the way it is.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by shawny -
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It reeks of double standards to make excuses for Clarkson at North, but not Voss. If Vossy's first 3 seasons yielded a W/L of 3-10 (plus 10 straight losses under Ratts as fill-in), 3-20 and 5-1-17, folks on here would not give any coach the BOD, whatever their previous records says. They would be screaming blue murder.

Clarkson's is considered by many as the best coach of all time and took over a list which was not in the same condition as what Voss took over.

Clarkson just happened to win 4 flag and numerous deep finals so yes his standing deserves him more time to produce. 

Voss failed at Brisbane and has failed with us. Very different.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by shawny -
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Thats fine provided the system the coach wants followed can work. Contested inside footy is taxing it slow and not the way the current game is played and hence why we are sitting in 16th spot. 
Good luck getting our ball butchers and slow pokes to play the modern game. That's why we are in 16th spot.

Agree, both areas are in need of major change - coaching group is not up and the list needs major change to key areas. We are desperate with clean skilled users and players that can move quick when transitioning. Not sure we have any in these catagory.

The speed point is list managements failure the skills one is debatable. We dont seem to develop players well so who knows.     

You need a coach that can adapt to the times, provide sound gameplans that are tailored to beat the opposition each week and be capable of make smart game day moves the minute they are needed and finally to motivate the charges. Voss fails imo in most of those areas. 

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by Gointocarlton -
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Interesting hearing Luke Beveridge after the Geelong game. He said that as coaches, you either mold the game style to the players you have, or you establish a game style that you know will be successful, and you ask everyone to come up to that. He stated he's always tried the latter. It's similar to the old adage of designing / building a house down to a budget, or up to a standard.

Thats fine provided the system the coach wants followed can work. Contested inside footy is taxing it slow and not the way the current game is played and hence why we are sitting in 16th spot. 
Good luck getting our ball butchers and slow pokes to play the modern game. That's why we are in 16th spot.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by shawny -
Quote from: PaulP – on
Interesting hearing Luke Beveridge after the Geelong game. He said that as coaches, you either mold the game style to the players you have, or you establish a game style that you know will be successful, and you ask everyone to come up to that. He stated he's always tried the latter. It's similar to the old adage of designing / building a house down to a budget, or up to a standard.

Thats fine provided the system the coach wants followed can work. Contested inside footy is taxing it slow and not the way the current game is played and hence why we are sitting in 16th spot. 
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by PaulP -
Interesting hearing Luke Beveridge after the Geelong game. He said that as coaches, you either mold the game style to the players you have, or you establish a game style that you know will be successful, and you ask everyone to come up to that. He stated he's always tried the latter. It's similar to the old adage of designing / building a house down to a budget, or up to a standard.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by Baggers -
Quote from: PaulP – on
W D L

Alistair Clarkson - North Melbourne
15 1 49

Michel Voss - Carlton
47 1 48

Given that some fans believe we are the new St Kilda, Vossy is knocking it out of the park.

Love him or hate him, Clarko has a hefty successful bank account of success to draw upon - Dawks... and he took over an absolute cot-case - Kangabies.

How does Clarkos first 10 years as a senior coach stack up against Vossy's  ;)