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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda
Last post by kruddler -
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https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/carlton-blues/afl-news-2026-brutal-trade-calls-carlton-must-explore-according-to-david-king-including-jacob-weitering-harry-mckay-and-patrick-cripps/news-story/71eabe60daaa4066dffc4f46d837622d

Interesting summary,  and i agree with most of the points he raises...
But many here probably won't,,     all the deniers here who think we're travelling ok and just need some minor tweaks and give MV another 3-4 years...  

Nobody think we're traveling okay, but some of us can see the building blocks and good things that are in place, without the standard supporter call to nuke the joint every four years.

And getting rid of what little leadership we have is a terrible idea. If we do that, we can enjoy the Richmond 2026 brand for the next few years.

King puts the blame on the players, leaders specifically, but says the coach has to go.
Why?

As far as ditching our leaders.....Harry McKay....he is no leader. He might say the right things off the ground, but on it, he is the opposite of a leader. He is someone that drains energy from the team, not gives it. I'd be moving him on and cashing in whatever we can get before he loses all value.

Cripps, whether we trade him this year, or he retires in 2-3 years, what do we lose in the meantime? Not much.
Trade him while we can.

Weitering....i'd keep. Its too hard to find key backs and we have an AA one. I'm not buying the criticism of him. One week it is that he doesn't man up one on one. Another week its because he gets dragged away following an opponent and not doing what he does best - zone. He can't do both at the same time.
We have a decent couple young defenders that can really benefit by having him around in Dean and HOF.
Keep.

The other 2 can go and we'd barely notice.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda
Last post by Baggers -
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What! That's the ticket, guilt-trip the kid. Nice work.

What I saw was Elijah's situation galvanize the playing group and club (as it should) into universal and overwhelming care, love and support. A positive net effect for all concerned.

When he reads this ill apologise to him, until then I'm standing by it.

1 man down in a team defense will bring the while thing down. It cant happen.

Whether its a legitimate reason, elijah, or whether it's someone who simply CBF, the result is the same.

If he'd done an ACL would you still be as condemning?
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda
Last post by PaulP -
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https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/carlton-blues/afl-news-2026-brutal-trade-calls-carlton-must-explore-according-to-david-king-including-jacob-weitering-harry-mckay-and-patrick-cripps/news-story/71eabe60daaa4066dffc4f46d837622d

Interesting summary,  and i agree with most of the points he raises...
But many here probably won't,,     all the deniers here who think we're travelling ok and just need some minor tweaks and give MV another 3-4 years...  

Nobody think we're traveling okay, but some of us can see the building blocks and good things that are in place, without the standard supporter call to nuke the joint every four years.

And getting rid of what little leadership we have is a terrible idea. If we do that, we can enjoy the Richmond 2026 brand for the next few years.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda
Last post by Bluesers -
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To give but one example : pushing a guy into the fence, then apologizing, then as result giving away a free kick from the goal square, so effectively two goals within seconds to the opposition - this is your idea of showing "passion and pride in playing for the CFC jumper'?

To say nothing of the fact that he is likely to be rubbed out for a time.
He is young and was probably incredibly frustrated being put under immense pressure again - IIRC that was the 5th incoming goal in a 5 minute period.

Not good enough by our snr players and our coach and coaching staff - not even close!

https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/carlton-blues/afl-news-2026-brutal-trade-calls-carlton-must-explore-according-to-david-king-including-jacob-weitering-harry-mckay-and-patrick-cripps/news-story/71eabe60daaa4066dffc4f46d837622d

Interesting summary,  and i agree with most of the points he raises...
But many here probably won't,,     all the deniers here who think we're travelling ok and just need some minor tweaks and give MV another 3-4 years...  
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda
Last post by MickyO -
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Of course it doesn't,   and physically and mentally not every player is going to be like that...    I was trying in a round about way to say we need more in the team to show that kind of passion and pride in playing  for the CFC jumper -  which seems to be lacking with some of the more senior players,  at least for a full four quarters.........    and when that happens it becomes a team pandemic unfortunately;  as we see on a weekly basis.   Don't worry, Dean will have the Carlton Way hammered into him in the next few months..

To give but one example : pushing a guy into the fence, then apologizing, then as result giving away a free kick from the goal square, so effectively two goals within seconds to the opposition - this is your idea of showing "passion and pride in playing for the CFC jumper'?

To say nothing of the fact that he is likely to be rubbed out for a time.
He is young and was probably incredibly frustrated being put under immense pressure again - IIRC that was the 5th incoming goal in a 5 minute period.

Not good enough by our snr players and our coach and coaching staff - not even close!
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 8 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda
Last post by Bluesers -
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Of course it doesn't,   and physically and mentally not every player is going to be like that...    I was trying in a round about way to say we need more in the team to show that kind of passion and pride in playing  for the CFC jumper -  which seems to be lacking with some of the more senior players,  at least for a full four quarters.........    and when that happens it becomes a team pandemic unfortunately;  as we see on a weekly basis.   Don't worry, Dean will have the Carlton Way hammered into him in the next few months..

To give but one example : pushing a guy into the fence, then apologizing, then as result giving away a free kick from the goal square, so effectively two goals within seconds to the opposition - this is your idea of showing "passion and pride in playing for the CFC jumper'?

To say nothing of the fact that he is likely to be rubbed out for a time.

1.   I'm pretty sure he got a fine
2.    I'm referring to his fire and passion in general,   not that particular incident.   He's a young kid still learning the ropes,  his passion is a great attribute imo,  but  his senior teammates will soon show him the error of his ways.