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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by madbluboy -
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The MAGA crew went the earlier crow on the latest assassin, claiming trans, claiming leftie, etc., etc., and it turns out he is another fundamentalist Christian gun nut and the exact opposite of what MAGA claim, he's basically one of their own, yet another one!

No wonder RedTrump has gone relatively quiet, but can you make sense of the various war cries?

Is someone in the hard right lunitocracy betting that the biggest losers in a civil war will be the minorities?

From the latest reports I think you have gone too early now lol.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by Thryleon -
Im going to ignore the politics for a moment.

We have raised a society where "you cant say that".

Is this potentially the reaction?  People feel a bit cornered so they take matters into their own hands?

Im not sure.  Thats not to condone these actions, but once upon a time words were not violence like they are today.  Does that mean meeting words with violence could be justified?

I dont necessarily think so, but people who might act like this by shooting someone they disagree with might?


The conversation needs to be a bit more philosophical than catigorical.  Sometimes you can entertain an idea without accepting it.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by Lods -
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The MAGA crew went the earlier crow on the latest assassin, claiming trans, claiming leftie, etc., etc., and it turns out he is another fundamentalist Christian gun nut and the exact opposite of what MAGA claim, he's basically one of their own, yet another one!

Is he though?
I don't think we know yet what his make-up is.
It sounds from initial reports that it's a pretty complex and sometimes conflicting one.
Were his beliefs a rebellion to his parental upbringing.
Was he recently radicalised.
While we're aware of his parent's affiliations and beliefs, it's not clear what his political beliefs were other than he was triggered by the things Kirk was saying.
It's very much a wait and see.
The difference to the Trump assassination attempt is that Robinson is still alive so there's a chance to find out "why?"
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by LP -
The MAGA crew went the earlier crow on the latest assassin, claiming trans, claiming leftie, etc., etc., and it turns out he is another fundamentalist Christian gun nut and the exact opposite of what MAGA claim, he's basically one of their own, yet another one!

No wonder RedTrump has gone relatively quiet, but can you make sense of the various war cries?

Is someone in the hard right lunitocracy betting that the biggest losers in a civil war will be the minorities?
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by Lods -
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Before people take a side in this debate....

I think that taking sides is the problem....
Why does there have to be a side.
Both 'teams' are right into the blame game here, and both lay the reponsibility for the assassination at the other.
On one hand there is a fair bit of "He got what  he deserved", "Live by the sword etc" from one side, and in reponse to that the other group is taking these comments and "naming and shaming" and as a result putting a target on their backs.

I suspect there's also a fair bit of doubt about some of the things being posted online, as tampering with video and photograph has reached a new levels of deception, especially with some of the AI stuff we're seeing.
It's hard to know what is real and what is not.
It's hard to know whether quotes attributed to people are accurate, or half truths....or just made up to make them look bad.

A lot of this still seems a bit odd and the full story of motivation, or whether there were others involved is still to be determined.

We tend to think of this 'left' and 'right' debate as a straight line spectrum
To me it's more like a "ring"
On one side of the ring are sensible people with open minds and a fair bit of tolerance to opposing points of view.
You can go 'left' or you can go 'right' but eventually you'll reach the other side of the ring...and that's where the 'haters' and 'nutjobs' live.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by LP -
RedTrump's MAGA disciples killed a bloke who was just doing his job, someone who wasn't even expressing a political position, all he was doing was attending his place of employment!
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by PaulP -
Quote from: DJC – on
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Sadly, political violence seems to be ingrained in the US landscape.  That's not surprising when that landscape is so polarised and anger, distrust and conspiracy theories are the language of the so-called leaders.  How often does Taco refer to his political opponents as enemies of the USA? Gavin Newsom's trolling of Taco might be a bit of fun and paying him back in kind, but it's divisive and adding fuel to the fire.

I generally agree, and I would also add that Newsom's attitude towards the homeless and homelessness in general is IMO a disgrace, however benevolently he wants to spin it.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Trumpled (Alternative Leading)
Last post by DJC -
MAGA has had to change the Charlie Kirk narrative now that it is known that the alleged shooter is not a "tranny" or lefty but is from a white Mormon MAGA family.

Tyler Robinson's personal political views aren't known but his background is eerily similar to the blokes who had a crack at Taco, most school shooters, and those responsible for the recent assassination of Minnesota Democratic Rep Melissa Hortman and her husband, the arson attack on the Pennsylvania governor’s residence, the killing of United HealthCare executive Brian Thompson, the shooting attack on the headquarters of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and many other acts of politically motivated violence.

Sadly, political violence seems to be ingrained in the US landscape.  That's not surprising when that landscape is so polarised and anger, distrust and conspiracy theories are the language of the so-called leaders.  How often does Taco refer to his political opponents as enemies of the USA? Gavin Newsom's trolling of Taco might be a bit of fun and paying him back in kind, but it's divisive and adding fuel to the fire.