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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Jim Park Award 2026
Last post by crashlander -
AFL 2026 Rd 20:   Carlton vs Gold Coast
To spring back after 2 shockers was so enjoyable.

Trends:
[1]   There were 11 voters this round, which is almost double last week. And I was late again! Finally up to date!
please do vote, win, lose or draw: it is something we appreciate and it makes our statistics a lot more reliable. And our statistics hold up pretty well when it comes to John Nicholls Medal night!

[2]   The rating was a 8.94, which represents a B. Voters were much more satisfied this week.

[3]   16 players managed a mention this week. A lot of guys had much better performances than they managed last week.

[4]   The average vote this week was 29. Scores are around 30 are more usual when we win, so read into that what you will.

[5]   Again 5 players managed 100 votes or more, which is among our best. 4 has almost become the norm, which tells you something about how it isn't just a couple of guys carrying the team.

[6] It was very close again at the top between Cripps (276), and Smith (253). Talor Byrne came in 3rd with 219: his best to date. It was Cripps' 6th BOG this season.

[7]  Three player managed votes from everyone again this week; Cripps, Byrne and Smith. Walsh and Hewett missed from 1 voter.

[8]   Our midfield guns dominated the voting this week, as did our defence. Our small forwards were also significant.

[9] Smith, Cowan, Wilson and Byrne were the youngsters to feature this week.


Votes:
Cripps, Patrick   267
Smith, Jagga   253
Byrne, Talor   219
Walsh, Sam   163
Hewett, George   158
Haynes, Nicholas   57
Hayward, Will   57
Cowan, Lachlan   45
Wilson, Billy   33
Evans, Francis   33
Ainsworth, Ben   12
Dean, Harry   8
Florent, Oliver   8
Derksen, Wade   8
Young, Lewis   8
Lord, Cooper   4


Progressive Voting:
Walsh, Sam   3639
Patrick Cripps  3250
Smith, Jagga  1980  
Hewett, George  1370
Newman, Nic   943
Florent, Oliver  929
Will Hayward  858
Ainsworth, Ben  788
Harry McKay  784
Matthew Carroll   769
Pittonet, Marc  747
Mitch McGovern 710
Haynes, Nick   664
Cowan, Lachie  573
Dean, Harry  545
Kemp, Brodie  485
Weitering, Jacob  466
Hollands, Elijah  426 
Ollie Hollands  413
Byrne, Talor  412
Cerra, Adam  348
William, Zac  330
Evans, Francis  292
Blake Acres  223
Wilson, Billy   173
Lord, Cooper  156
Young, Lewis   89
Wade Derksen   82
Ison, Jack   43
Liam Reidy   28
Boyd, Jordan   27
Cottrell, Matthew 15
Adam Saad   15
Flynn Young   8
Flynn Riley   6
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Jim Park Voting AFL Rd 20 2026 Carlton vs Gold Coast
Last post by crashlander -
AFL Rd 20 2026   Carlton vs Gold Coast
Team:      B+
Coming back after 2 demoralizing losses against a team with a lot more raw talent than we have, I was pleased that we prevailed after being headed each quarter.

Votes:
[2]   Patrick Cripps
[2]   Talor Byrne
[2]   Jagga Smith
[2]   Sam Walsh
[1.5]   George Hewett
[1]   Ollie Florent
[1]   Nick Haynes
[1]   Billy Wilson
[0.5]   Cooper Lord
[0.5]   Ben Ainsworth
[0.5]   Will Hayward
[0.5]   Lachie Cowan
[0.5]   Frankie Evans

Explanations:
[2]   Patrick Cripps:      30 possessions, 15 clearances, 5 tackles and a goal, Crippa managed an inspirational game.
[2]   Talor Byrne:      For a young kid to have 3 goals, 4 tackles and 12+ score involvements says everything.
[2]   Jagga Smith:      Another great game from Jagga: 31 possessions, 6 clearances and 5 tackles.
[2]   Sam Walsh:      Another great game from Walsh with 31 possessions.
[1.5]   George Hewett:   George got 25 possessions and totally blanketed the GC Captain after half time.
[1]   Ollie Florent:      A great rebounding game with 25 possessions.
[1]   Nick Haynes:      Like a fine wine, Nick is flying at the moment. He was huge in defence. 13 marks!
[1]   Billy Wilson:      Another excellent game from Billy, keeping his opponent down while getting 10 marks a load of ball.
[0.5]   Cooper Lord:      A very solid game from Lord.
[0.5]   Ben Ainsworth:   Ainsworth was another superb contributor.
[0.5]   Will Hayward:      3 goals, clutch marks, another strong game from Hayward.
[0.5]   Lachie Cowan:   Impassable in the air. Really powerful in defence.
[0.5]   Frankie Evans:   Frankie got some reward this time, which hasn’t always happened this year.

Honourable Mentions:
Wade Derksen:      Only misses votes because of his turnovers. His marking was excellent.
Lewis Young:         A strong game from Young, showing confidence we rarely see.
Adam Cerra:         A strong game from Cerra, with 20+ possessions. Would get votes any other week.
Blake Acres:         Another who really deserved a mention. Strong on his wing and not many turnovers.
Matthew Cottrell:      Cottrell also deserves votes for keeping Rioli totally out of the game while getting the ball himself.

I really needed 30 votes this week. Such is life, but I do feel I'm not rewarding players enough.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 22 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs St. Kilda at Marvel
Last post by Sexybronco -
Quote from: kruddler – on
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I’m ambivalent to be honest but I don’t buy your comment about quality of opposition given we have beaten Geelong and Brisbane.

I've just been breaking the ladder down week by week. Previous to our efforts this week (and geelongs to rise up the ladder) we hadn't beaten a team inside the top 6. Hadn't lost to a team in the bottom 5, and had split the difference between the teams in the middle.
That was based on nothing other than the ladder positions for about a month straight.
You don't have to buy it, that was the facts.

As mentioned, this was before last weekends games.
I get it but we won nothing with Vossy this year. For what it’s worth I was a fan of Vossy but his record made it hard to defend his position. Anyway let’s see who gets the role and how we fair in 2027 as this year is a write off.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 22 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs St. Kilda at Marvel
Last post by kruddler -
Quote from: Sexybronco – on
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Which has been the argument all along.

I've never said Voss is a supercoach. Just give him some time to do what he needs to do. Fraser is riding on his coattails, and not doing a thing wrong, and doing plenty right. But people attributing all the success to Fraser and none to Voss is a recipe for disaster.
Look at the bigger picture as to what has changed since Vossys departure.

2 things....quality of opposition has been poorer.
Improvement from our captain (and its not just him, but obvious when looking at him) has made a huge difference.

I don't want to restart the debate. The article is nothing new to me, and some others, however all the voss haters/fraser boosters continue to ignore that and argue against it. Its dishonest and/or naive.
I’m ambivalent to be honest but I don’t buy your comment about quality of opposition given we have beaten Geelong and Brisbane.

I've just been breaking the ladder down week by week. Previous to our efforts this week (and geelongs to rise up the ladder) we hadn't beaten a team inside the top 6. Hadn't lost to a team in the bottom 5, and had split the difference between the teams in the middle.
That was based on nothing other than the ladder positions for about a month straight.
You don't have to buy it, that was the facts.

As mentioned, this was before last weekends games.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 22 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs St. Kilda at Marvel
Last post by Sexybronco -
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: Sexybronco – on
based on that Vossy wasn’t given enough time, just when that debate was beginning to subside🙄. Also far from an ringing endorsement for Fraser as our next senior coach.

Which has been the argument all along.

I've never said Voss is a supercoach. Just give him some time to do what he needs to do. Fraser is riding on his coattails, and not doing a thing wrong, and doing plenty right. But people attributing all the success to Fraser and none to Voss is a recipe for disaster.
Look at the bigger picture as to what has changed since Vossys departure.

2 things....quality of opposition has been poorer.
Improvement from our captain (and its not just him, but obvious when looking at him) has made a huge difference.

I don't want to restart the debate. The article is nothing new to me, and some others, however all the voss haters/fraser boosters continue to ignore that and argue against it. Its dishonest and/or naive.
I’m ambivalent to be honest but I don’t buy your comment about quality of opposition given we have beaten Geelong and Brisbane.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 22 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs St. Kilda at Marvel
Last post by kruddler -
Quote from: Sexybronco – on
Quote from: PaulP – on
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2026/08/03/afl-2026-carlton-win-versus-brisbane-the-perfect-game-adam-simpson-lauds-blues-dominance-after-15-year-first

While he doesn’t believe the win was a lesson in coaching from interim Fraser, Simpson did concede that everything the Blues have been working on – even prior to Fraser’s tenure – was on show in full effect on Saturday night.

“I’m not sure it’s a masterclass, but everything they tried worked,” he said.

“Sometimes it’s just playing your way. A lot of the things Carlton have done really well in the last 10 weeks; they were working on in November and December.

“That’s the beauty of the transition that Josh made. He didn’t tweak a lot of things, but they evolved really quickly.
based on that Vossy wasn’t given enough time, just when that debate was beginning to subside🙄. Also far from an ringing endorsement for Fraser as our next senior coach.

Which has been the argument all along.

I've never said Voss is a supercoach. Just give him some time to do what he needs to do. Fraser is riding on his coattails, and not doing a thing wrong, and doing plenty right. But people attributing all the success to Fraser and none to Voss is a recipe for disaster.
Look at the bigger picture as to what has changed since Vossys departure.

2 things....quality of opposition has been poorer.
Improvement from our captain (and its not just him, but obvious when looking at him) has made a huge difference.

I don't want to restart the debate. The article is nothing new to me, and some others, however all the voss haters/fraser boosters continue to ignore that and argue against it. Its dishonest and/or naive.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 22 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs St. Kilda at Marvel
Last post by PaulP -
Quote from: Sexybronco – on
Can you imagine saying that 10 weeks ago….but your point is valid, hard to pinpoint anyone to be dropped on the back of last Saturday’s performance. If he’s right to go I’m sure he’ll be in with Young being the unlucky out.

I suspect that's probably what will happen, but I'm not sure it's right.

We should definitely be savoring the moment, because :
a. it was great
b. it won't happen again for a while.

We got the best version of Carlton vs the worst version of Brisbane. Every bounce of the ball was in our favour, everything we tried worked. One of those rare games where everything just clicked for us. Nobody would think that game was an accurate representation of where both teams are at. If only we could have a result like that every week.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 22 2026 Pre Game Predictions Carlton vs St. Kilda at Marvel
Last post by Sexybronco -
Quote from: PaulP – on
https://www.sen.com.au/news/2026/08/03/afl-2026-carlton-win-versus-brisbane-the-perfect-game-adam-simpson-lauds-blues-dominance-after-15-year-first

While he doesn’t believe the win was a lesson in coaching from interim Fraser, Simpson did concede that everything the Blues have been working on – even prior to Fraser’s tenure – was on show in full effect on Saturday night.

“I’m not sure it’s a masterclass, but everything they tried worked,” he said.

“Sometimes it’s just playing your way. A lot of the things Carlton have done really well in the last 10 weeks; they were working on in November and December.

“That’s the beauty of the transition that Josh made. He didn’t tweak a lot of things, but they evolved really quickly.
based on that Vossy wasn’t given enough time, just when that debate was beginning to subside🙄. Also far from an ringing endorsement for Fraser as our next senior coach.