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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 12 Carlton vs West Coast at Perth
Last post by kruddler -
If we win week 1 we are going to Brisbane. No way Brisbane is getting close to North. No one is getting close.

Just looked at North's final percentage. Friggen 321.5 %!
I'd only want to play them in the GF....when you can go all out and try anything.

If you play them during the finals, if you somehow managed a miracle win, you'd struggle to get up the next week.
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW 2025 Season
Last post by DJC -
What i'm getting it as you using a select few to prove a point.
The select few are the exception, not the rule.

Look at irish blokes who played for Carlton....all with previous athletic ability etc, just needing to be trained up as you say.

Tuohy
S. Ohailpin
A. Ohailpin
Sheahan
Byrne
Shields
McDaid
Monaghan
Duffy

Tuohy the only real success.
Ohailpin had limited success but that was more about his physical attributes than footballing ability.
The rest were a bust. Yes, some played the odd game and had the odd highlight, but were not able to be trained up and developed.

Going back to AFLW...
The girls you mentioned as 'not outliers' are sitll outliers. They are still just a handful or so across the competition.....and most of them still played 'boys footy' up to a certain age anyway. I think Vescio had to stop at about U13s from memory.
I would also argue that despite a wonderful torp, Vescio is far from elite right now. Pittonet is 'a hack' and he managed a similar torp at a similar time.

You’re missing the point; of the Irish AFL players we have recruited, only Tuohy had the required attributes but Setanta wasn’t too far off.  We’re a lot better at picking AFLW Irish recruits and cross-coders with those attributes.

How many AFL and AFLW players who have grown up playing footy fail to make the grade?  A much higher percentage than Irish recruits and cross-coders!

The “experts” claim that a footy pathway is responsible for the improvement in AFLW.  It’s one factor.  An Irish girl, who may never have seen the game played, can learn to play with skill and flair far beyond that of many of her teammates.  Similarly, many Aussie girls can make the transition to AFLW from other sports without playing footy in their formative years.  Our lineup includes Jess Good, Maddy Guerin, Keeley Sherar and Gab Pound, as well as the Irish girls.  They’re not outliers.

And Darcy Vescio’s kicking with either foot, with or without the torpedo, is unmatched in the AFLW.
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW 2025 Season
Last post by crashlander -
Our Irish:
Tuohy - we probably made a mistake not wanting him badly enough, but we thought we had replacements.
S. Ohailpin - I like Setanta. He never quite made it, but it wasn't through want of trying. Injuries didn't help.
A. Ohailpin - had a lot going for him, but couldn't seem to find the right spot.
Sheahan - we missed our badly when Sheahan got injured. He had the athleticism that Tuohy lacked and a left foot like a missile. Then he had his knee go and the complications ... two years later and he couldn't run the same any longer. A huge disappointment,
Byrne - had what it took, but was homesick. Then he got injured.
Shields
McDaid
Monahan - He was very ordinary in that first season. However, he impressed a lot more last yea and might make it yet.
Duffy - coming from a long way back with his knee injury, but he defended quite well in the last half of the year. His knee will be better in 2026, so hopefully he can improve as much as Monahan did.


We are drifting a little off- topic here, and I'm equally to blame.  Please continue this discussion in the recruiting threads; there is clearly something to discus.
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW 2025 Season
Last post by kruddler -
What i'm getting it as you using a select few to prove a point.
The select few are the exception, not the rule.

Look at irish blokes who played for Carlton....all with previous athletic ability etc, just needing to be trained up as you say.

Tuohy
S. Ohailpin
A. Ohailpin
Sheahan
Byrne
Shields
McDaid
Monaghan
Duffy

Tuohy the only real success.
Ohailpin had limited success but that was more about his physical attributes than footballing ability.
The rest were a bust. Yes, some played the odd game and had the odd highlight, but were not able to be trained up and developed.

Going back to AFLW...
The girls you mentioned as 'not outliers' are sitll outliers. They are still just a handful or so across the competition.....and most of them still played 'boys footy' up to a certain age anyway. I think Vescio had to stop at about U13s from memory.
I would also argue that despite a wonderful torp, Vescio is far from elite right now. Pittonet is 'a hack' and he managed a similar torp at a similar time.


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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW 2025 Season
Last post by DJC -
There has been a lot of discussion by the “experts” about the current crop of AFLW players having played junior footy and moving on to senior footy without a break.  As a result, they are said to be more skilful and more natural footballers than those who played in the first few seasons of AFLW.

While there’s some truth to that, I still think that Erin Phillips is the best all round AFLW player by some margin.  And then there’s the Irish girls who, unlike Australian cross-coders, have had absolutely no exposure to Aussie Rules before their first training session. 

Dayna Finn and Erone Fitzpatrick are two of the best and most skilful players on our list.  If it wasn’t for the occasional Gaelic Football touch, it would be easy to believe that they’d grown up playing Aussie Rules.

So, while an uninterrupted footy journey clearly contributes to good skills and footy nous, an athletic girl with stamina, strength, good hand/foot-eye coordination and an aptitude for team sports can be equally adept at the game.

You are trying to use a few outliers to throw shade on the majority view.

Its clear to every man and his dog, women too, that the AFLW standard is the best its ever been and by some margin.
Go back and watch some old games and compare to what is presented now.
Your average quality game today is the equivalent of the early (Dees vs Dogs) all star games.

Yes there are a few great players today who didn't play previously, and there were a few great players before who didn't play previously. Erin Phillips is an outlier and was already an elite athlete who grew up with footy in her blood courtesy of her old man, which is a unique case - an outlier.

I've used this in relation to Darcy Vescio, which proved evident again this week that the field has very much caught up to what was considered elite early on.

I'm really not sure what you're on about.

Yes, the footy skills across the AFLW are better than they were in the first couple of years of the competition.  Being ably to play footy and not having to switch codes is a factor in that improvement, as is the greater professionalism of the competition, more training and better coaches. However, no-one has yet come close to Erin Phillips' all round mastery of the game or Darcy Vescio's elite ability to kick with either foot, and her torpedo goal last night was a timely reminder of just how good her foot skills are.

Then there's inaugural players Jasmine Garner, who is probably closest to challenging Phillips' best ever tag, former basketballer Anne Hatchard, and soccer convert, Shannon Campbell, all of whom bring up their 100th AFLW games this round and, while they may not all be classed as elite, are certainly better than most.

The point I was making is that Irish girls with absolutely no exposure to the game can master the skills in one season and many can reach elite level after a couple of seasons.  Provided they have good athleticism, stamina, visual perception, spatial awareness, balance and dedication, good training and skills development can bring them up to, and in some cases, beyond the footy skills of girls who have played the game continuously.  The same is true for Irish players in the AFL, many of whom can kick the ball better than teammates who have gone from junior footy through elite pathways to AFL.

It's not because they're Irish.  It's because their potential was recognised and nurtured properly ... and bad habits not allowed to develop.  The same is true for the cross-coders who continue to be recruited by AFLW clubs. 

Phillips, Vescio, Garner, Hatchard, Campbell, the Irish girls, and countless cross-coders aren't "outliers".  They are simply examples of how individuals with the right attributes can become very good to elite footballers despite not having a footy pathway.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by DJC -
I'll say this, I used to see a liver specialist at a public hospital here in Melbourne. Check is via swiping your Medicare card at a console where you get a ticket with a number. The wait at the specialist clinics there is normally horrendous. On one occasion, in my haste, I accidentally clicked yes to the Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander question. I can tell you on that occasion my wait was minuscule, I virtually got called in straight away. Coincidence? Perhaps.

Oh no!  You've skewed the data  :)