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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Last post by MickyO -
Quote from: LP – on
Watching the replay, if you ignore all the late pressure induced errors and the obvious umpiring blunders, we still missed multiple shots at goal from within a 25m range and ultimately that was a big contributor to the events that cost us the game.
Yeah hitting the post multiple times from
Close range is just a killer.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Last post by MickyO -
Yeah I didnt expect to be near the top
But i dod expect us to be able to account for richmond Melbourne and North!

CC was crap last year. Yes hes missed because he got the best defender. We miss TDKs hard work and athleticism, but what could we do there, thanks to SOS targetting him and giving him millions.

But we have Got talent and imo hayward was a liability yday and frankly played like hes a dickhead, florent seemed so slow but did work hard -
Maybe he shouldve been
Moved forward? I do recall Hayes was terrible in his first game so hopefully Florent will improve.

Newman and Elijah ran out of puff unfortunately and Weiters’ off injured, crap umpiring all going their way etc etc

Now the anger has dissipated I agree re Voss.  BUT changes need to be made when the game changes!  Even if it doesnt work its become a fail so to correct a fail you need to do something else.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Last post by LP -
Watching the replay, if you ignore all the late pressure induced errors and the obvious umpiring blunders, we still missed multiple shots at goal from within a 25m range and ultimately that was a big contributor to the events that cost us the game.

Fundamental errors, like missing because they ultimately kicked in the direction they were heading but they weren't heading for goal.

On a separate issue, I watch Kemp and think what a waste. This bloke rolled up to our club as a player who was capable of forward play and midfield rotations, and we basically burnt him by wasting his capabilities on the HBF. Now towards the end we want him to learn the F50, it's like resetting to day one and he seriously looks out of his depth.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Back to the Moon
Last post by LP -
The "high cost" of this or that which is the typical media message is really a drop in the ocean. Media always talk total$ because the big number seems alarming or scary, but the reality is it's something like $0.05 per person per annum and the payback is many times that.

I've heard on the radio the other day RedTrump dropped the equivalent of one full year of a NASA budget in the first week of the assault on Iran and got nothing to show for it other than debt!

btw., When the US media bang on about waste and how much the US spends, and why aren't others helping, they ignore to inform the US audience that about half of the bill is being footed for the Artimis project comes from foreign governments or investment. Yet when a foreign government or entity uses inclusive language about "us" or "we" the US media will claim it's all America.

Did you know if you want to sell IP into the USA, the IP must conform to US law, meaning no matter who holds that IP it has to be in a single name and they have to effectively sign over right of access to the US government, and they have the gall to assert China are crooks! If the IP has any use at all to the US military they will develop local capability and chop out foreign supply, and they have done on items as wide ranging as food packaging and CAD software. I know a person in Melbourne who developed CAD software used in advanced manufacturing, he held the IP globally but the US used it's law to develop a local capability with a contract handed out to a big US company. The Melbournian still made good money out of it, tens of million, but the US company made billion$.

The same thing with the US assault on Iran, some significant percentage of the US munitions come from other countries including Israel, ironic isn't it that Israel profits by dragging others into the fight, the US media just claim it's all America. Some of the air defence systems they use cost US$20M per round fired, and they spray them around like air freshener! Keep that in mind when you hear RedTrump begging for assistance!
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Last post by Thryleon -
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: kruddler – on


We allowed him to continue his contract.
Took away his top liners.
Now want to sack him after 4 games?
What the hell did you expect to happen??


We didn't take away his topliners
His topliners left of their own accord.
They wanted to go.
...and there may have been some disaffection with the coaching direction that  contributed to those decisions.

Now I agree, now is not the time to sack him.
We want a careful consideration of who we want coaching us in 2027 and that will be clearer at the end of the year in terms of availability...(if a decision hasn't already been made)...the closer we can get to that the better.
Round 4  is too long for a caretaker coach to maintain any sugar hit.
There's also the danger an interim coach make a claim for the job full-time and prove to be a false saviour in the long run...so the  longer we delay that move the better.
And as I mentioned before we have a run of three or four games which will give us a much better idea.
But I suspect around mid-year the decision on Voss will have been made...if not made public.

What's the best move in the short term.
In some respects it might be a case of Wright coming out and saying "regardless of results, we've contracted Michael until the end of the year and we will be honoring that contract...so everyone else can get stuffed."
Wright wont be going public saying that.

It leaves no wiggle room.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Last post by Thryleon -
Lijah was possibly one of our best performers yesterday.  Ollie has his issues but he wasn't terrible.  He does need to tidy up his kicking.

Some of the moves mooted are fine but after listening to Voss yesterday he said something that struck a cord.  Weve blooded 10 debutants in 4 games.

We are getting into winning positions, and then we can see the errors as they unfold.  Are we that far off?  Will continuity simply fix it?  Is that why Voss didnt make massive role change with the game in the balance?

Is there a bigger picture he is thinking about?

Its easy for us.  We can say, weitering off, kemp behind the ball, McKay to relief ruck, and hayward to full forward but we wont know how those moves work without doing it. 

Also that night get us a couple of wins, does it frustrate players too much or does it work counter to players learning roles abd upset the apple cart too much?

All good questions.  We have been in winning positions in 4 games.  Only against Sydney did we truly get knocked for 6 where we had minimal answer.  Yesterday's game was a undeserving loss, so perhaps that isnt a good one to look at here.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 4 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne
Last post by Lods -
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: MickyO – on
The thing is, its now happened so many times that surely nothing is now ‘kneejerk’.

We allowed him to continue his contract.
Took away his top liners.
Now want to sack him after 4 games?
What the hell did you expect to happen??


We didn't take away his topliners
His topliners left of their own accord.
They wanted to go.
...and there may have been some disaffection with the coaching direction that  contributed to those decisions.

Now I agree, now is not the time to sack him.
We want a careful consideration of who we want coaching us in 2027 and that will be clearer at the end of the year in terms of availability...(if a decision hasn't already been made)...the closer we can get to that the better.
Round 4  is too long for a caretaker coach to maintain any sugar hit.
There's also the danger an interim coach make a claim for the job full-time and prove to be a false saviour in the long run...so the  longer we delay that move the better.
And as I mentioned before we have a run of three or four games which will give us a much better idea.
But I suspect around mid-year the decision on Voss will have been made...if not made public.

What's the best move in the short term.
In some respects it might be a case of Wright coming out and saying "regardless of results, we've contracted Michael until the end of the year and we will be honoring that contract...so everyone else can get stuffed."
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Back to the Moon
Last post by Thryleon -
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
@kruddler im creating the conversation and being somewhat told off for it.

Forgive me for me lack of patience and/or tolerance on the matter.
But in a world where flat earthers are getting louder and a bigger following and humans are getting more ignorant and uneducated as a result....im over it.
I can forgive a lack of patience.  My questioning is always a philosophical one.

Just because we can do something doesnt mean we should. 

Space has its issues.  Some say minerals in space are abundant, but the cost benefit analysis to harvest those resources and bring them to earth is real.

Ecologically it might be sound but it needs a dose of reality and logistics to go with it.

The moon mission could be explained as simply as these guys are practising something that is planned on being repeated umpteen times.  Thing is, we dont do well on our own planet as is.

Finally the moon has very real consequences to life on earth.  Tides, and various other things that we have only scratched the surface of understanding.  

If we start bringing space rocks home what ecological issues could they conceivably cause? 

The moon is said to be slowly drifting out of orbit of the earth.  Will putting people there impact it?  What about we start exploding things on it?  If there is no moon how does that impact life on earth?

All good questions.  None of it flat earth based.  We are scratching the surface of our understanding of ecological systems on our own rock.  The impact of other planes is a known unknown.  We dont know how balanced everything needs to be before we start having additional impact we dont understand.

Finally question everything.  Flat earthers behave as you have here.  Shut down opposing thought and ideals because declaring right or wrong is more important than expanding their own thought processes.  Im willing to say I dont know, and am curious but Eratosthenes experiment with shadows and the sun plus the Coriolis effect means a flat earth model doesn't really work well unless there is something that isnt understood.

Science has been written and re written across generations and ive become a bit more concious of the fact that if we dont question the status quote thats the only time that you work against science.  Had Galileo not worked to prove what he observed in spite of what society of the time held as truth, how would we look at our planet today?