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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by DJC -


Why do you insist on deflecting criticism of the senile narcissist in the White House with ill-considered complaints about Australian governments?

We have a thread devoted to the lunacy of the convicted felon and I started this thread to give you a platform to air what you believe are problems with our State and Commonwealth governments.

If you want to defend the indefensible, post in the Taco thread.  If you want to bleat about Australian politicians, do it here.

Nice try at deflecting.

How people accept this absolute bloody disgrace corrupt bunch of criminals that just happens to be in charge of running our state - running it into the ground astounds me.

And my comparsion to US politics and the obsession with everything that happens on the other side of the world is very relevant and if comparing that to the corrupt government we have here just happens to trigger you well so be it.

Im fking triggered at the corrupt spending of 15 BILLION dollars of OUR money.

15 billion in case you didnt know is 15 thousand MILLION and yet not one comment about your thoughts on this situation.

i wonder why that is ?😏

I'm still waiting for you to have a crack at Chris Minns for the scumbag who kinghit Peter Dean being dealt with under the Young Offenders Act  ::)

If you're triggered by headlines, you probably should delve a little deeper, and I don't mean listening to influencer podcasts.

First of all the Allan Government doesn't "just happen to be in charge", they were democratically elected and, when you consider the rabble that's supposed to be the opposition, it's easy to see why.  The opposition at national level is worse, if anything, and Malcolm Turnbull's description of their incoming leader as the “best qualified idiot” is spot on.  It's funny how politicians often make more sense after they retire.

Secondly, the allegations, and that's all they are at this stage, were set out in a draft report by barrister Geoffrey Watson SC.  The draft report detailed the results of an investigation into CFMEU criminality and corruption commissioned by CFMEU administrator Mark Irving KC.  As I'm sure you know, Irving was appointed by the Commonwealth Government to clean up the CFMEU.  The report isn't a public document and is the property of the CFMEU.  When Irving read the draft, he directed Watson to delete two sections alleging that the Allan government knew of the CFMEU aggression and corruption, that Watson estimated cost Victorian taxpayers $15 billion, because he (Irving) was “not satisfied that they were well-founded or properly tested”.  That's the opinion of a King's Council and one of the most senior and respected industrial relations lawyers in the country, not a half-baked politician or shock jock.

Watson is p1ssed off that his allegations have been discarded but he recently said the government “would be mad to get rid of Mark Irving" and “I’ve worked for Irving for two years now, and I’ve never met a more honest or decent man … I can tell you, everything he did was opposed to corruption and was in favour of fixing the CFMEU.”

I think that scuttles any suggestion that Irving's rejection of the $15 billion corruption allegations was politically motivated or in any way intended to protect politicians or CFMEU operatives.

It's possible that the CFMEU did cost Victorian taxpayers $15 billion, or perhaps even $30 billion.  Heads should roll if the CFMEU cost Victorian taxpayers any funds above and beyond legitimate construction costs, and I don't just mean Allan and the relevant Ministers.  There's a raft of people - bureaucrats, police, regulators, auditors, union officials, opposition leader, shadow ministers, etc - who should be taking action at the slightest whiff of misuse of public funds and union corruption.

For the record, I don't think much of our democratically elected State Government; they're tired, short on talent, running out of ideas and money and desperately need a spell in opposition.  Sadly for Victoria and Victorians, the alternative government is no better after such a promising start by John Pesutto.  While I admire him for taking on the fascists, he wasn't very smart in the way that he went about it.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
@Shawny, you are very anti-labour, which is your right.
However, do you think liberals are all squeeky clean with no skeletons in the closet?

Everyone is corrupt
The Andrews Government which Jacinta Allan now leads is the most corrupt I have seen in my years, the Liberals are hopeless and incompetent but have a way to go to match what Labor have done to the State of Victoria.
Federally Albanese isnt far off what Andrews achieved and the Liberals under Taylor wont be any different to what Ley or Dutton delivered which was a useless opposition. Its why Pauline and One Nation have gained traction which probably tells you how bad the country is travelling.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Jim Park Award 2026
Last post by PaulP -
[1] 15 votes in total, no more, no less.
[2] No more than 10 votes for any one player (even Sam Walsh or Patrick Cripps)
[3] Three players at least must get a mention.


I find the format above, which has been in place for a while, to be somewhat restrictive. I'd like to be able to vote for an unlimited number of players for starters. We can see that this is a felt issue from a number of voters, because they often give HM or honorable mentions to players they can't fit into the format, which IMO is a backdoor way of giving them votes.

I'd also like restriction number 3 removed.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by kruddler -
@Shawny, you are very anti-labour, which is your right.
However, do you think liberals are all squeeky clean with no skeletons in the closet?

Everyone is corrupt

Not at all.

i never once said the Libs will right every wrong and are honest true blah blah blah. i know very well they are generally all liars that dont follow through on promises and both sides blame one another whenever the sh1te hits the fan however regardless of which side of the fence you sit on we cant keep re electing a corrupt government simply because the alternative’may’ be just as bad. You cannot allow this sort of governance rewarded with re electing.

This very situation should be enough to remove a government imo.

if the same corrupt culture was found on a board of any private company would the board not be stood down immediately?

come on mate this can not be defended in any shape or form.

I'm not defending anything.

Its just like asking someone which way they prefer to die, thrown off a big building or shot in the head. The method varies, but the end result is the same.
The party varies, but the end result is the same.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by shawny -
@Shawny, you are very anti-labour, which is your right.
However, do you think liberals are all squeeky clean with no skeletons in the closet?

Everyone is corrupt

Not at all.

i never once said the Libs will right every wrong and are honest true blah blah blah. i know very well they are generally all liars that dont follow through on promises and both sides blame one another whenever the sh1te hits the fan however regardless of which side of the fence you sit on we cant keep re electing a corrupt government simply because the alternative’may’ be just as bad. You cannot allow this sort of governance rewarded with re electing.

This very situation should be enough to remove a government imo.

if the same corrupt culture was found on a board of any private company would the board not be stood down immediately?

come on mate this can not be defended in any shape or form.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by crashlander -
@Shawny, you are very anti-labour, which is your right.
However, do you think liberals are all squeeky clean with no skeletons in the closet?

Everyone is corrupt
I'm not sure 'everyone' is corrupt, Kruddler, but when any party remains in power without enough checks and balances, things appear to go backwards. And governments of different stripes tend to become 'corrupt' in different ways.
It give me nightmares to think how disastrous an extended period of Green party government might be, as I don't agree with many of their policies about anything.

However, I do think the Labour government of Victoria is considerably past its use-by date. I am hoping that there can be a viable alternative com Election Day.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Jim Park Award 2026
Last post by crashlander -
With the season coming ever closer, it is time mull over what we want to do with our B&F award.
I expect to have the time to deal with it again this year, so that isn't a problem. But I do wish to consider what we do with it, considering that we appear to be having fewer and fewer voters:
[1] Do we want the same format that we've had?
Personally, I like it, as it gives me an opportunity to award everyone who needs a mention, that just the best one of two. However, it is complicated (for some).
[2] If we don't want to continue as it has been, what changes should we make?