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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Last post by northernblue -
Quote from: Lods – on
Are we rating the performance based on our own biases. ;)
Those that supported Voss seem to think we did nothing different...suggesting we would have won anyway
Those who wanted him moved on are pointing out areas where they thought we changed things up.
There's an argument for both.

I don't think there were major differences to our performance from our game last week.
But I do think it was a more even performance across the game, and even those who didn't exactly shine contributed.

The thing is there was very little time to change things up too much given the short period of time between Voss's departure and the game.
I suspect that's why we didn't see wholesale changes to the team or the way we played.
The inclusion of Jack was the only change from a team that ran Brisbane close...and that was fair enough.
The VFL had a good win and  number of players put forward a claim for selection yesterday...so we may see something different next week....or not.
At any rate we did something we haven't done much this year...and that's win a game and get 4 points.

I personally think our performance against Brizvegas was indicative of an uptrend with presumably Fraser’s emphasis on more targeted kicking got us over the line.
A cynic might suggest that they moved on Voss because they knew we were approaching the corner, we were in too many games to finish the season with one win, it was going to turn eventually.
Now Voss is “justifiably” gone his replacement can start setting up his desk.

Full credit to Fraser and the footy dept for getting everyone focused, that win was great nourishment for the lads and supporters.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Last post by Lods -
I'm a bit of a Billy Wilson fan.
He has pace, he does some of the link stuff very well, he gives and then runs on to create a further option, he gets good penetration with his kicks.

There are two areas I think he needs to work on.
He gets moved off the contest a bit too easily.
He also hesitates a bit too long after taking a mark and on a few occasions last night he held up play when we were on breaks.
Look, it could be because there were no options further a field , but it did slow us up when we were on the move.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Last post by DJC -
Quote from: shawny – on
I prefer we build a winning culture still get Walker and maybe attract a decent FA - the list is not anywhere near as bad as our ladder position IMO.

Get games into the 6 kids that played yesterday and add Walker to that and our young talent is more than ok.

Just for our culture I dont want to lose Cripps and a bottom 2 finish regardless of a few extra low picks will make it hard for him to want to stay and no chance of attracting talent in via a trade.

Get 8-9 wins finish 11th-12th and we will be viewed very differently internally and externally if we win 2 more games and finish bottom 2-3. Our club needs wins to be spirit and the winning culture much more IMO then an extra early pick or 2.

Yes, the last thing we want to do is reinforce the notion that losing is in any way acceptable. 

Put the best possible team on the park each week, reward effort and, who knows, we might even jag a wild card.  Fraser's goal should be to get the players believing that winning is a realistic outcome, regardless of who we're playing.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Last post by Thryleon -
We've been building all year towards more consistently.  Im not sure how much 7 days makes for a new coach to takeover but no doubt everyone was reading the writing on the wall and playing with a little less endeavour and dare accordingly.  We'll get the shot in the arm, but had we executed more precisely against Collingwood, North Melbourne, Melbourne, we probably would have should be sitting 4 wins.

Voss wasn't perfect. He persisted with two ruckman for too long but you could always see the logic in doing so which is all you can ask for.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Last post by DJC -
Quote from: Thryleon – on
I didnt see much different from other weeks.

We still did bone headed stuff with ball in hand and so did they, and we still kicked forward to no one in particular.

Only difference was the result.

Yes, the only real difference I noticed was that our effort was more consistent over the four quarters and perhaps we were just a little more willing to take the game on, as young Matt Carroll did!

We should have won by more, but our forward line inefficiency let us down again, particularly in the second quarter.  However, our tackling and ability to lock the ball in our forward 50 largely compensated for that.

Involving Indigenous players in the pre-game ceremony was a nice touch and would have made the night even more memorable for Jack Ison.  I think that his inclusion made quite a difference too.  His marking and link up work was very good and he rarely wasted a possession.  Third most metres gained for us was a good effort in his first game.

The Doggies were certainly helped by some inexplicable centre ball up and stoppage frees.  It was noticeable that players from both sides had no idea who the free was going to  ::) 
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Last post by LP -
Quote from: Thryleon – on

ive watched us all year and we turned it over less.  Cripps was the difference his form has been crap most of the year. Harry's last two weeks have been better than anything we dished up and florent had a massive game which speaks volumes.

Weve been defending decently for most of the year bar going to sleep in patches and that didnt happen against an under manned doggies.
Yes, tend to agree, last night when we were due to have our usual nap Cripps went into overdrive. At about 1/2-way through the last Cripps was dominating and Bont had only touched it once despite being thrown into the midfield.

Of course, if Cripps had already run himself into the ground earlier, that may not have happened!
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Last post by Thryleon -
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
@IAJ and @shawny, you guys really cant differentiate outcome and performance can you?  If that was 4 quarters explain the second quarter for me?

Nice try - I will ask again did you see anything difference with the gameplan. I will give you some clues: Any difference with how we were transitioning from a kick out? any difference with our general uncontested controlling of the ball? less kicking to a contest?

What about the way we lowered our kicking into 50 and spread the difference so when the ball hit the ground there was space to snap?

If you argue against that I'm not going to bother debating it as its pointless. There was a big changes in how we played and the players were less taxed in the last quarter as a result.

And no this doesn't mean we will win every week and but at least with this gameplan we stand a better chance of beating the teams we should compared to the dated contested bang and crash system we were going with.

Anyway time will tell but i reckon the likes of Wilson, Ison, Carroll and even Jagga will like this system over the last.
 
ive watched us all year and we turned it over less.  Cripps was the difference his form has been crap most of the year. Harry's last two weeks have been better than anything we dished up and florent had a massive game which speaks volumes.

Weve been defending decently for most of the year bar going to sleep in patches and that didnt happen against an under manned doggies.

What else you got?
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Last post by LP -
Quote from: kruddler – on
Did we really play that much better than last week?

To me it was similar output, only difference was the opposition were not as good.
I thought the second half against Brisbane was basically similar to last night, just that last night we went at it a bit longer and didn't allow the Dogs to get the same run on. But a lot of it is Cripps, he has the most dominant game I've seen from him in two years, and was continually driving us forward even when we were wasting the footy.

Other than sticking with the plan better and longer, it was basically the same game tactics we've been trying to implement all season. I do find it odd that many only notice it now, after a win, they must be blinded by hatred at other times! To me it's been obvious we have been trying to implement a Lions style of play, I've been writing as much since about Rnd 3 or 4, just that we have been NBG at it!

I thought the young Dogs were not allowed the same degree of freedom, or were incapable of making the same space, that the Lions could.

If we were truly much better we should have won by 5 or 6 goals, I'm still a little disheartened by our tendency to limp to the end.