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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Where will Carlton finish?
Last post by kruddler -
Quote from: Lods – on
Quote from: kruddler – on
@Lods...
To paraphrase Malthouse - The 22 blokes in the team love you. The 23rd bloke hates you.

Every coach has its detractors. IF that has anything to do with the reason any of them left.....maybe Kennedy aside.....but maybe we needed to mix it up and he was 4th banana.....and oldest behind Cripps.

So i wouldn't put too much stock in 'the coach has lost the players' cliche.

Plenty of other players could've left, but haven't.

I never said the coach has lost the players.
I'm not sure where you got that from.
All the noise at the moment is of a committed group with some new players fitting in very well.
I expect a good year, from both players and coach....but the old "proof of the pudding" cliche still applies.

I was being pre-emptive.
You haven't said it yet......but there will be a time where it becomes gospel (not necessarily from you).

re Orange....thats the downfall right there.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Where will Carlton finish?
Last post by Lods -
Quote from: northernblue – on
@Lods
So we judge Voss on a year with a fractured group and injuries and then a year without the fractured individuals (hopefully they’re all gone…) and lesser credentialed replacements ?
Seems like old Carlton to me…

No
Actually the opposite.
'Old Carlton' would have seen him gone this year.
He's now had two years where injury and disruption have affected our performance.
But he doesn't want the bottom to fall out of it this year.
What I'm saying is, he probably won't get a new contract if we finish bottom 4 this year,
That's not old Carlton
That's just what will happen.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Where will Carlton finish?
Last post by Lods -
Quote from: kruddler – on
@Lods...
To paraphrase Malthouse - The 22 blokes in the team love you. The 23rd bloke hates you.

Every coach has its detractors. IF that has anything to do with the reason any of them left.....maybe Kennedy aside.....but maybe we needed to mix it up and he was 4th banana.....and oldest behind Cripps.

So i wouldn't put too much stock in 'the coach has lost the players' cliche.

Plenty of other players could've left, but haven't.

I never said the coach has lost the players.
I'm not sure where you got that from.
All the noise at the moment is of a committed group with some new players fitting in very well.
I expect a good year, from both players and coach....but the old "proof of the pudding" cliche still applies.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Where will Carlton finish?
Last post by northernblue -
@Lods
So we judge Voss on a year with a fractured group and injuries and then a year without the fractured individuals (hopefully they’re all gone…) and lesser credentialed replacements ?
Seems like old Carlton to me…
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Where will Carlton finish?
Last post by kruddler -
@Lods...
To paraphrase Malthouse - The 22 blokes in the team love you. The 23rd bloke hates you.

Every coach has its detractors. IF that has anything to do with the reason any of them left.....maybe Kennedy aside.....but maybe we needed to mix it up and he was 4th banana.....and oldest behind Cripps.

So i wouldn't put too much stock in 'the coach has lost the players' cliche.

Plenty of other players could've left, but haven't.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Where will Carlton finish?
Last post by Lods -
I'll preface this by saying I think we'll improve our ladder position next year and I think as a result Voss may be offered a new contract.

The reality though is that if we were to say finish bottom 4 how could the club possibly justify re-contracting him.

You can get away with one year, and a shocking run with injuries.
You can probably get away with a second year of injuries and turmoil.
I'm not sure you get away with a third year, especially if the bottom drops out of the place.

Yes, we've lost key players but as has been pointed out often, their 2025 seasons all presented with issues that saw them at less than their best.

Curnow's departure has been seen as due in part to his injury situation being mis-managed, and being forced to play against better judgement.
Who is responsible for that?
What was the issue with Silvagni.
Was he fully on-board with the club's on-field direction.
Kennedy's departure the year before has been attributed to a conflict of sorts with Voss.
The overall tone of the place last year, seemed to be a team with divisions.
And while not totally responsible, the coach surely has some impact on team unity and getting everyone on the same page.

It's pretty apparent that Voss may not be everyone's cup of tea.
The hope is that the players reamaining do have a bit of respect for his approach, and understanding of the direction Voss has for 2026, and we see good, consistent efforts.
Even a mid-table finish may be enough if there is enough positivity, and improvement in many players.
But if it goes pear shaped (bottom 4) the ending will be pretty predictable...and pretty much the right one.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Where will Carlton finish?
Last post by kruddler -
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Certainly not out of the question.

Best way to look at that is who will be worse than us?

From the bottom 3 last year...
Both Tigers and North are predicted to rise.
Eagles, less so.

Who will drop?

Melbourne seem to be on the slide as much as us.
Maybe Essendon, but i'm sure they think they are top 4.

Definitely possible. More possible than most will admit.
Missing finals will be the end of Vossy.

Quite possibly....and thats probably unfair since he lost a lot of talent in the offseason.

But, no point saving him if we haven't got a better coach to replace him.

Based on our previous coaching appointments, I'm not sure 'who' or more accurately, 'what' type we would be targetting.
We've had the favourite son.
We've had the messiah.
We've had the young up and comer.
We've had the players favourite.
We've had the redemption after an extended apprenticeship.

Whats left?

Playing coach??
Get Daisy Pearce or Erin Phillips???
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Where will Carlton finish?
Last post by PaulP -
I think it's also worth mentioning that the off field appointments outside the coach can make a real difference. I don't wish to start another Neil Balme discussion (we've had plenty of those), merely to point out that we can see in cases like Richmond and Adelaide, sometimes these types can give a nudge in the right direction that make a big difference. Hopefully Wright or Davies (or both) can fulfill that Balme-type role for us.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Where will Carlton finish?
Last post by cookie2 -
Not clear to me yet where we’re likely to end up as l’m not clear on exactly what was at the root of our problems last year and whether or not we’ve effectively addressed them.
I’m running on hope for this year that we could make finals. We’ll get a better idea soon enough.