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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 23 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel
Last post by laj -
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It's 2 points because they halved the game. No-one lost either. If you draw you share the points. Half each. Shouldn't be getting a zero like a loss as you didn't lose. Losing is worse.

In our case iot was the unique situation of a draw being a "win" as it achieved the desired goal.
Don't agree, there is a point of difference between two teams playing to win and being tied, versus a team that has settled on a draw as the result.

If having zero points for a draw means we never see a team settle for a draw ever again then I'm all for it, we don't play soccer, draws are sh1t!

I'd rather extra time, and first to a 2pt advantage, no more settling! I think 2pts makes sense, because it allows for a defensive rushed behind while leaving a goal as a winning score.
Where I disagree is you get the same zero as a loss when you didn't lose.

As for extra time. No thanks. A season is 4 x 20 min qtrs for 23 weeks and your season is based on that. Not 4 x 20 plus 10 min in one game other sides didn't get to win a game. Uneven playing field. Hate to miss out on finals by some side getting an extra 10 min to win a game that others didn't get. You get a draw you get 2pts, because you didn't lose. Zero points is for teams that actually lose.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 23 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel
Last post by LP -
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It's 2 points because they halved the game. No-one lost either. If you draw you share the points. Half each. Shouldn't be getting a zero like a loss as you didn't lose. Losing is worse.

In our case iot was the unique situation of a draw being a "win" as it achieved the desired goal.
Don't agree, there is a point of difference between two teams playing to win and being tied, versus a team that has settled on a draw as the result.

If having zero points for a draw means we never see a team settle for a draw ever again then I'm all for it, we don't play soccer, draws are sh1t!

I'd rather extra time, and first to a 2pt advantage, no more settling! I think 2pts makes sense, because it allows for a defensive rushed behind while leaving a goal as a winning score.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 23 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel
Last post by laj -
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I thought in the dying moments it was our older heads that took control of the momentum, as is needed, and while it was absent at times throughout the game when it was needed they delivered, but a draw is a very different to needing a win, and Bevo discussed in his post-match they were momentarily thrown by us not trying for the win.

It was certainly a contrast, and sadly as the AFL works towards forever closing the gap between the have and the have nots, it's likely we'll see more of it.

Of course, the AFL can eliminate this completely by making a draw worthless, zero, nada, nothing, zilch. Why does it need to be a split of the 4 points, if it's zero, it's zero for everybody, as good as a bye. Only ever reward wins!
It's 2 points because they halved the game. No-one lost either. If you draw you share the points. Half each. Shouldn't be getting a zero like a loss as you didn't lose. Losing is worse.

In our case iot was the unique situation of a draw being a "win" as it achieved the desired goal.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 23 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel
Last post by LP -
I thought in the dying moments it was our older heads that took control of the momentum, as is needed, and while it was absent at times throughout the game when it was needed they delivered, but a draw is a very different to needing a win, and Bevo discussed in his post-match they were momentarily thrown by us not trying for the win.

It was certainly a contrast, and sadly as the AFL works towards forever closing the gap between the have and the have nots, it's likely we'll see more of it.

Of course, the AFL can eliminate this completely by making a draw worthless, zero, nada, nothing, zilch. Why does it need to be a split of the 4 points, if it's zero, it's zero for everybody, as good as a bye. Only ever reward wins!
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 23 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs at Marvel
Last post by laj -
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I think group got ahead of themselves today. To me they strayed away from everything they have been doing the last several weeks bar the first quarter. Unable to beat a severely undermanned side we normally beat at full strength is a tell. I think the occasion and the meaning of the game got to them, Fraser could see it also. He was as demonstrative and flustered as I have seen him be. Credit to Bevo (who I dont rate) for switching the plan at qtr time.
Yes, we may have.

We had the choke going on for most of the game but found our composure when it battered when we looked like blowing it. Hopefully, like after the 2022 choke in the last qtr last game, we take it on board and learn as we did in 2023. In hindsight, the fact we got through it`in the end, it might have been a good thing for us, happening in round 23 rather than Wildcard.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Carlton 2026 Finals Campaign
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Like it or not, it's here to stay.
With Tasmania coming in, and probably a twentieth team not far behind...it's probably fair enough that half the competition gets a crack at the end.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Carlton 2026 Finals Campaign
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There didn't seem to be a lot of support on this forum for the wild card round when it was announced  Has this changed now that we're part of it?

I don't like it, but will still watch!
Anyone finishing 5th or 6th likes it, anyone finishing 7th or 8th hates it, and anyone finishing 9th or 10th, loves it.

Anyone in the bottom 8 will say that they only fell short by a little bit, and can reach for reasons to justify a poor season.

Personally, finals are the rewards you get for performing throughout the year.

There is one game left, and despite what the ladder says, the body of work across the season is one of the best that I have experienced in the last 24 years, including the year we made the prelim. 

We fell short because we didnt manage the moments so well, in similar fashion to yesterdays match vs the Bulldogs.

In hindsight, good thing we struggled with the moment at the stage, bar the last 5 minutes. Something now we can take on board and learn from, especially for our younger blokes. After 2022, we learned to handle things in the 2023 finals, especially the semi-final, where we held our nerve and won. We out like shots in the PF, like an athlete who goes out too hard in a race. Took Brisbane 20 min to settle down but once they did that were always good to be too good. We were pretty cooked, by finals in 2023 and did well to win two of them. We won 10 in a row to get there, won those close games near the end to stitch up our spot, cruised through the dead rubber last match, as we will likely do next week, but we were close to cooked by the finals with the effort. This time we kept winning, not like in 2023, had a two games slump then started to hit a peak the last 2 rounds. with a wildcard on the line, our composure went out the window but found it again when it mattered the last 5 min. Just like after 2022, hopefully we take the learning on board.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: Carlton 2026 Finals Campaign
Last post by LP -
Late season a couple of things, Kemp, Gov and Harry are slowly improving in terms of set shots, will it be sustained time will tell. But doing it in recent weeks is as good as any test, and surely that must leave us in better circumstances for the future.

I was a bit disappointed in young Byrne not having a crack from the 50m arc, maybe he had weary legs, but it's his go and he is as likely as any. Certainly, more likely than handing it off to Cripps! If you are a small forward with a leg, you need to be taking those shots and converting some of them. If you don't then opponents will just force you further out and you will lose all effectiveness.

I don't think we got the structure right this week, Derksen looked like a fish out of water in F50, we seemed to allow the Dogs to drag Pitto into D50, and that degrades his effectiveness. If we wanted someone dropping into the space then why not send Derksen up the field, what value is he standing alone at FF! Note to Pitto, never kick the footy to our shortest player when they are standing the opposition ruck!

What's our plan if Hayward is out, we lost a lot when he went off, he's becoming a pivotal part of our full field structure.
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The Sports Desk / Re: God help me - the Cricket thread
Last post by LP -
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Starc and Head won the ashes....this is an old, poor side with a few blokes who are capable of first tier performances
They have golden moments, sometimes a few in a row, but there is little consistency from any of them.

We've been spoilt over the years, Lillee, Warne, Langer, Haydon, McGrath, you got 24x7 cricketers who always managed to compete. But a lot of their success came due to the reliability and consistency of partners in crime, we don't have it at the moment, we aren't relentless like we were.