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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by LP -
Of course it all scales with population as well.

I recall seeing some Federal Bureau of Statistics data a year or two back that showed an almost direct correlation between the size of a state population and the amount of crime, it's probably still on MyGov somewhere.

Of course @Thryleon makes a good point about media coverage, although I doubt evidence really makes any difference, maybe on the conviction side it does, but the media do not need much "evidence" to report.

If you differentiate reported crime from convictions, it becomes an issue of statistical definitions, for example if someone is killed but there is no convicted murderer than would be no recorded conviction for a certain crime that was committed. That's an extreme example, but the same applies at all levels of crime.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by Thryleon -
I still think things are no where near worse than it used to be, we just have more access to information about these things thanks to CCTV, and more people having a phone camera handy, but I dont have data to back that up.

Even so, I suspect the data would be a bit of hit and miss regarding this assertion, as many historic crimes may have been unreported due to a lack of evidence.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by LP -
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I'm sure there has been someone, somewhere that has said something alnog those lines at one point in time......but to imply that it was a widespread belief, is flat out BS.
My point was being made about fans who flip not a statement about the head count or populist vote, that's something you've assumed.

Whether it's 1% or 50%, it's not the count that matters it's the flip.

Much of the wider fan base only sort issue with talls recruiting after Charlie left, so many had argued we couldn't run both Harry and Charlie, a lot of the same very same loud critics complained we needed Mids and were too slow and heavy before that. It's pretty straight forward summary and can't be questioned because it's there in the posts and the quotes. If any want to back over previous claims and deny the flip then the record is there for cross checking.

Some probably still have nightmares about it! ;D
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by kruddler -
Quote from: LP – on
@kruddler You do realise people are free to go back and see what was written, I suspect you're betting they won't be bothered. But they will all remember the debates around KPPs and Rucks, it must be burned into their retina! :D

Be my guest.

When others show you things from the past, you refuse to read them.

Now you want others to go back and find something to back up what you've said?

You provide the claim. You provide the evidence.

The ONE person i thought you could be referencing has distanced himself from those assertions, so good luck with that.

I'm sure there has been someone, somewhere that has said something alnog those lines at one point in time......but to imply that it was a widespread belief, is flat out BS.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by LP -
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Our state is now completely out of control regarding serious crimes in particular stabbings and home invasions.
Crime is an issue everywhere, the trick is to read a balanced news service and not be sucked in by the media biases.

It's easy to think it's overly bad in your own backyard, because it's your own backyards news that the algorithms push to you, and that makes people paranoid.

A great example of this bias is the reporting / non-reporting about some of the current One Nation candidates. One in particular is being reported by media almost all over the country for a pretty nefarious history, cults, weird practises, etc., etc., etc., except in their own state where they are noticeably absent from the media reporting. That's media bias not reporting.

I've mentioned before, multiple times, if you want a less biased view open a browser tab in "private mode" before searching, it's shocking just how different your news feed will become!
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by Milhanna13 -
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When the bough breaks ...........

Started off like we wanted to really win it, finished like we were still being coached by Voss.

We played Hawthorn a while back in the rain and got spanked, tonight we didn't handle the slippery conditions again. It's clearly an issue that needs to be addressed.

What is also of serious concern to me is that some of our players who have been adequate for many weeks, crumbled under the pressure and did some extremely stupid things.

Young & Cottrell were braindead tonite, some of the things they did completely defy logic. Kemp going for the left foot checkside from the right forward pocket only to kick the ball in the middle and float it across goal to the opposite pocket where Cottrell took a chest mark. From the set shot, Cottrell kicked across the body and hit the post - two appalling choices let down by poor skills. I also wasn't impressed with Cottrell laughing when he hit the post, seriously champ, this is a cut-throat final which requres a little more focus than what you showed.

We got a few bum decisions from the umpires but that is not why we lost, we failed to maintain the pressure & chase like we have seen for many weeks.

Fraser got a coaching lesson tonite, we were all over them early and made them look second-rate, Scott made some subtle changes and they stormed back into the match.

Yes, it's been a really weird year for us with plenty to like but this elimination final showed just how far off the pace our list is and how we cannot cut corners in our pursuit for the ultimate success.

    


Scott definitely made some tweaks, they really got us on the counter and outside by backing themselves to sit a couple off the contest.
Fraser didnt adjust the long kicks to Harry. Not sure how many marks he took but every mark he didnt mark it, when the bal hit the ground Geel punished us by taking it away. They needed to put it bed because Geel were waiting for it every single time.
Our fwd line looked dysfunctional by large tonight, Stewart seem to gobble up everything, we played into their hands (literally).


Spot on

When it turned;

They had numbers just outside the contest, they cut off our handball out of the contest and had numbers to attack themselves.   fraser didnt react to this

We all kept saying, at the ground - "do something with stewart" - should have manned cottrell up on him and tried to negate him.  i know it was wet, but it was horrible to see the bombs down the line to H, again.  felt like someone else was back in the coaches box

dean going off didnt help
no haynes to go to danger didnt help
the rain didnt help
the 6 day break didnt help
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL EF#1 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong
Last post by laj -
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Again, I don’t believe that I ever suggested that we were top heavy.  I did point out that our ratio of talls to smalls in 2025 was similar to most other clubs.

For the record, I’m a two ruckmen kind of guy … provided that the two ruckmen can both have an impact when they’re not rucking.

This debate has waged in many threads but ill summarise as follows from my memory:

We havent recruited enough talls often enough was one perspective along with too many smalls.
The opposing perspective was that we have recruited plenty of each type but all of them have shortfalls at AFL level, which results in we need more of everything.

Sometimes the argument was then paraphrased into assuming that this meant we had enough, but the reality (according to me) is, that we were gambling on our good players staying fit, because they were all guns, and then trying to fill the gaps between them.   This rehash and paraphrasing is why it was a never ending debate, because as we see in this topic, the opposing viewpoint was dismissed because it was transformed into a different argument about who was more right, rather than what was more right.

Which was the most pressing need?  Turns out, that both was correct on this years evidence.  Im not sure we have missed the talls, but getting in Ainsworth, Florent, Hayward, Evans, Jagga and co was tantamount to turning things around because we got halfway through a list build, sacked the list manager, sacked the coach because we needed to win, and ended up with a mish mash of aging players that couldnt help us take the next step any longer and failed to fill the gaps.

I think thats about as close as it gets to summarising.  The irony is not lost on me, that last season, we delisted Harry Lemmy to go with the departing JSOS, TDK and Curnow situation, and still managed to cover those absences with a delisted free agent in Wade Derkson, a draftee in Harry Dean, and what was already here, and this was the doomsday scenario of losing Weitering for an elongated period of time.  Still, we do need more quality talls as on history we got a bit lucky with Mckay and Pittonet being robust, and we could use some more grunt through the running players.  With Walker coming in, and hopefully HOF returning, that means we need a more project ruck forward through the draft again and as we saw on the weekend another medium swing type because Mcgovern, Haynes and Newman arent getting any younger.
Looks like we are recruiting Amartey but do need to develop a younger key forward through the VFL for a couple of years too. Can't be relying on Gov and Kemp to be 2nd KP forwards. They did a good job overall with mid 30s goals for the year, but it's not their role, especially when McKay goes into the ruck. Kemp's a good 3rd tall, until he kicks at goal. Just noticed he kicked 39.27 this year. Some of those 27 behinds though were stinkers but that is a damn good return. If he kicked well at goal he'd have been not far short of 50 goals. Another KP forward, even the like of Amartey, will help alot. Down back, Harry O'Farrell will be back is, adds some youth to a a defence that is, in a few cases, getting on in age.

Chris Davies on SEN, Saturday said we wanted another key forward, another mid, and a running half back. Amartey, Walker and Nick Blakey will be a nice way to cover that. Blakey dependent on a few things of course. Says he was hard done by and is angry, so if that's right i'm good with it, but we have to wait until we see what comes out first.

Every side has their holes but be nice to cover as many as possibly. After finishing "top of the ladder" after round 10 we are in next year right up to our neck. We need to recruit well to take advantage, and the player attitude to continue on as it finished this year. May not get a better chance.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by shawny -
Our state is now completely out of control regarding serious crimes in particular stabbings and home invasions.   

When we all are used to hearing the daily serious crimes occuring and its no longer 'breaking news', you can't help but wonder have we just accepted this as the norm now? 

We have 2 major issues that are skyrocketing crime IMO - the weak bail laws and general soft sentencing and the quantity of immigrants we have allowed in from cultures that simply don't live like we do, they don't respect law or authority and are not willing to assimilate. 

Too many just don't value life like we do - that utter scum bag that punched the poor boy in the city here for cancer treatment and then proceeds to stab his mum all completely random and unprovoked - his comments when arrested is an insight into how some of these lowlifes think.

Immigration must be selective and must have the countries best interest at hand - when you allow the numbers we have in that don't/cant or not willing to assimilate to our way of living you have created a situation now that is almost impossible to rectify except lock them up when crimes are committed which costs the tax payers of money that could be spent on health, education etc.

Makes me so angry what our politicians have done for their own private gain to our once great state and country as the northern states are suffering as well.  
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Notice Board (Visitors Enter Here) / Re: Where's EB1?
Last post by shawny -
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: shawny – on
i wasnt going to mention it but Mark had a heart issue in 2022 which came out of the blue. Cant help but think this is a similar issue as any other situation he would have replied to our messages.

Im must say im quite affected by his absence and what it means. I never met the man in person but i really liked him nevertheless - was never personal regardless what came his way smart thinker and empathetic whenever  there was a personal issue.

A massive loss to the site.
I have conversed a lot with EB (Mark) via PM about many topics, footy, family, food, cars, trips etc. I am very concerned and I am missing his contributions to this site and the PM's.

Yep you dont go from posting several times a day to nothing for a month  :(