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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS
Last post by laj -Even contemplating trading H is bizarre. TDK, Walsh, Charles... maybe, but not H.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 11 2025 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS
Last post by laj -Even contemplating trading H is bizarre. TDK, Walsh, Charles... maybe, but not H.
Why the others, but not H?
(disclaimer : also had Motlop as our 3rd most important, not sure what they are smoking. TDK 2nd)
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Youth Crime in Victoria
Last post by Lods -@Lods clearly immigrants from all corners of the globe have existed here for a long time. Youth gangs have existing for a long time also. I think however the propensity for violence (sometimes extreme) with weapons has increased and is heavily influence by organised crime (be it Mafia, MECGs, OMGs, Asian Crime Gangs etc). The fact that little or nothing is done to young offenders means the organised crime gangs utilise the youths to do the dirty work and its them that post the bail and reward them for their efforts, handsomely by comparison to flipping burgers. I think there is also the copy cat element whereby they want to emulate gangs in the US. I couldn't care less if these young offenders where born here or came here, they are minors and there parents/gaurdians are responsible for them. Time to start making them accountable as well as the offenders for their actions. Nuffs enuff.
I've met lots of the parents.
Punishing most of them would be an exercise in futility.
They have neither the means (wealth) or the social nous and parenting skills to cope with any penalty or enforce any discipline.
Many of the kids are products of broken homes.
Many of the kids have one or both parents who have been through the justice system.
Many of the parents have drug or alcohol problems.
Lots of the kids live with peers away from home in transient accommodation.
There's a reason the majority of young offenders gravitate to gangs and finding common purpose with anti-social peer groups.
Home life isn't pleasant.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Youth Crime in Victoria
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Youth Crime in Victoria
Last post by Lods -I'm just wondering whether it might not be a case of those of African descent weren't there before....and now they are.
That's makes crime committed by this sub-group of society more noticeable.
It's also probably an area specific thing too.
While African crime may be high profile in Melbourne, it’s not the same in Sydney, Brisbane etc
I began teaching in Juvenile Detention centres in NSW in the mid 1970s, so bear in mind this is a small sample from mostly metropolitan areas.
Indigenous kids were over represented, still are. That’s largely a continuing fault of judicial and social support systems.
So the breakup of kids in detention in the 1970s was pretty much Indigenous, and those who could trace a heritage back to the UK, Ireland etc. There was also a number of kids from an eastern European background.
I rarely saw kids from southern Mediterranean background (Greek, Italian) but that may have been a wave in a generation prior to my starting.
In the late 70’s early eighties we started to see a few Vietnamese kids come through the system, but never in great numbers. Other Asian countries?...can only remember a handful.
Late 1990s early 2000s-with the troubles in the former Yugoslavia and the dramatic and violent breakup of that nation we saw an increase in kids whose parents were from that region
2000s and on….an increase in kids from New Zealand and the Pacific Islands ( I had a class-full of Islanders on a couple of occasions in my final years.)
Also in the final years there was also an increase in the numbers from families of a middle eastern background.
Now all this is anecdotal from a personal experience in a limited number of metropolitan based centres. But it gives a bit of an idea of population waves.
It’s also probably fair to say that those folks fleeing violent backgrounds sometimes exhibited violence in their crime committing.
We notice an increase amongst a certain group because we haven’t noticed them before. They weren’t here in great numbers…and sometimes the social issues associated with uprooting or fleeing from your original country means that adapting to life in a new country brings with it a number of issues of adjustment for both parents and children, who then seek companionship amongst their own ethnic group. Solutions are obviously needed.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Youth Crime in Victoria
Last post by Gointocarlton -Perhaps it's about demographics, and where they sit on the financial spectrum.Well, I think that's got a lot to do with it Thry. African refugee family, with maybe 4-5 offspring, the family is living off centrelink payments and they've been dumped in Sunshine/St Albans/Keilor with zero prospects. Recipe for disaster.
I'll bet the majority of crime is correlated to low income families and that would ring true for ethnic minority.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Youth Crime in Victoria
Last post by rocky -Perhaps it's about demographics, and where they sit on the financial spectrum.
I'll bet the majority of crime is correlated to low income families and that would ring true for ethnic minority.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Youth Crime in Victoria
Last post by Thryleon -I'll bet the majority of crime is correlated to low income families and that would ring true for ethnic minority.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Youth Crime in Victoria
Last post by Gointocarlton -Nope DJC, can't agree. I'm with Shawny and Elwood. Not sure what vision you saw re the disgrace at Northland but the thugs were clearly "of African appearance". Have we noticed that term doesn't get used anymore?
Anyway, there is a consistent theme that's been going on for quite some time now and will continue on for the foreseeable future.
We are so weak with law and order that crime gangs are taking advantage of it and using minority groups to do their dirty work. This I know because my brother-in-law is a cop. In fact maybe if you know a cop you can ask them.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Youth Crime in Victoria
Last post by rocky -Anyway, there is a consistent theme that's been going on for quite some time now and will continue on for the foreseeable future.
We are so weak with law and order that crime gangs are taking advantage of it and using minority groups to do their dirty work. This I know because my brother-in-law is a cop. In fact maybe if you know a cop you can ask them.