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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 12 Carlton vs West Coast at Perth
Last post by LoveNavy -
Well done in wet windy conditions. A real arm wrestle and out poor efficiency i50 kept the scores close until 4q.

Cream rose to the top and Bohanna and Fitzpatrick kicked true as conditions cleared.
Icing on top by 89-gamer Vescio 👏

Congratulations ladies. Looks like you're finals bound
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 12 Carlton vs West Coast at Perth
Last post by crashlander -
Our line-up:

B:   6 Gabriella Pound   49 Madeline Hendrie
HB:   36 Ciara Fitzgerald   21 Harriet Cordner   3 Darcy Vescio
C:   11 Yasmin Duursma   25 Keeley Sherar   17 Dayna Finn
HF:   7 Poppy Scholz   42 Tara Bohanna   19 Erone Fitzpatrick
F:   16 Breann Harrington   55 Sophie McKay
R:   5 Abbie McKay   10 Mimi Hill   20 Lily Goss
Int:   14 Siofra O'Connell   24 Brooke Vickers   18 Madeleine Guerin   23 Lila Keck   12 Jessica Good
Em:   1 Amelia Velardo   13 Aisling Reidy   4 Keeley Skepper

Interesting that Velardo is out injured, but named as an Emergency.

Not all that happy that our game starts so late. I didn't expect us to be on TV, but ... And we get a five day break! Not happy about that at all!
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by DJC -
Quote from: Thryleon – on
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Did you miss “First Nations patients were also waiting, on average, three times longer compared to non-Indigenous patients.”?
I didnt miss this claim.  In fact there is no way to substantiate that and its precisely what someone defending this move would say irrespective of whether or not its fair.

Thing is, why is that the case?  Why are they waiting longer?  Is it because the data is skewed by hospitals in areas where there is more indigenous people being treated than not? 

More questions than answers out of the claim.  So by doing this in metro hospitals they treat the minority as priority to paper over not enough health care institutions in remote communities where the majority of indigenous patients presents skewing the data?

Is that the right outcome? Or more manipulation of the books to satisfy criteria?

Ultimately i dont know how anyone can defend a policy where an ethnic group is treated differently to others for right or wrong reasons. Sounds like they cant be bothered fixing the real reasons the issue exists and are papering over the cracks to me.

No way to substantiate it?  Hospitals record whether patients are Indigenous and they record how long it takes for patients to be seen.  That's part of their reporting against performance indicators and closing the gap measures.  You can read all about the disparity in health care on the Australian Institute of Health and Welfare website.  For example:

"Between July 2019 and June 2021, the proportion of hospitalisations for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander (First Nations) people that had a procedure recorded was 12 percentage points lower than for non-Indigenous Australians, based on age-standardised percentages (66% compared with 78%)."

Then there's the Australian Commission on Safety and Quality in Health Care:

"The Board of St Vincent’s Hospital in inner Sydney monitors a number of indicators of quality of care for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people, including rates of incomplete treatment in the Emergency Department (ED). Incomplete treatment includes patients who leave the ED before the medical team recommends discharge, those who are not present when called to be seen by a doctor and those who attended ED and did not wait to complete treatment - collectively known as leave events.

Incomplete treatment is associated with an increased risk of readmission and death.1 The NSW Ministry of Health has identified the high rate of incomplete treatment in EDs among Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander patients compared to other patients (8.6% and 6.1%, respectively, nationally, 2019)2 as a priority issue.

The hospital Board requested that the ED department work to reduce the rate of incomplete treatment among Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander patients."

Hospitals and agencies charged with monitoring health care outcomes don't make figures up.  They report actual data.

You're right to some extent about data skewing "with First Nations males and females living in Major cities expected to live around 5 years longer than those living in Remote and very remote areas".  However, St Vincents and other hospitals are working off their own patient data and remote hospitalisations and outcomes don't come into it . 

And your assumption that the majority of Indigenous patients present for treatment in remote communities is incorrect.  NSW has the highest Indigenous population with 339,500.  Victoria is just ahead of the NT with 78,600 people to 76,700 and no communities in Victoria are considered to be remote. 

Yes, it would be good to know why Indigenous patients at St Vincents and other hospitals have longer wait times and higher rates of incomplete treatment.  More importantly, it's good that these issues have been identified and are being addressed.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
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st Vincent's is not solely in the NT.

So are we saying they dont want to wait like the rest of us are forced to?


st V isn’t in the nt.
What I’m saying is that if a white one and a black one present with the same problem the black one is more likely to die, statistically.

That's a presumption based on General rule of thumb and I accept that and the statistics but there will be cases when the white fella might have a poor medical history himself which isn't going to be apparent to a time poor under pressure triage nurse asking the usual basic triage questions ie what's your problem today, pain level, medications, and check the vitals. Unless you have patient history from previous visits if any then you are guessing..
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by northernblue -
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Mate, they die younger, they live sicker lives.
Come up and visit me and you’ll see that 40-70% of the NT mob are wrapped in filthy bandages despite the medical professions best efforts.
We are not discussing intelligent well educated and articulate people like say Ernie Dingo here, we are discussing the downtrodden.
If you and he presented simultaneously you would both recieve the same treatment as (relatively) young fit healthy men, of this I have no doubt.
Certainly so here in the Territory.

st Vincent's is not solely in the NT.

So are we saying they dont want to wait like the rest of us are forced to?


st V isn’t in the nt.
What I’m saying is that if a white one and a black one present with the same problem the black one is more likely to die, statistically.