Carlton Supporters Club

Quote from: DJC – on April 29, 2025, 11:23:53 am

My appreciation of David King's analyses varies considerably but I think that he was on to something when he said that we were one handball short of winning our previous games.  That's one extra handball in each chain of possession and I think that we got there on Sunday.  We are dangerous and hard to stop when we run in waves and use forward handballs to give the ball carrier room and time to get an effective disposal.

One thing I've been meaning to comment on was how Sam De Koning saw the funny side of the smallest bloke on the field using him as a step ladder.  Corey has taken a couple of nice grabs now and will have his opponents thinking about his marking and not just his leading, crumbing and defensive work.

King for mine is a very good analyst, right up there alongside the best. I definitely think we handballed too much to stationary players in the first few weeks which teams cottoned onto use it to their advantage (ie tackled and stopped us in our tracks). I guess we practiced wave running and receiving (no disrespect intended) against WC and NM and applied it against a good side on Sunday. Make no mistake, our kicking lets us down and we need to recruit some elite ball users by foot. The run and HB somewhat covers for that deficiency by as you say, giving the person on the end of the chain more time to execute a good, more measure kick. It also compensates for the lack of real break away leg speed by putting our blokes ahead of the chaser quickly. If you look at some of the kicks into the F50, many were poor and if we tidied that up, we would have one by plenty (yeah I know, grandmother/balls/grandfather).

Quote from: Thryleon – on April 29, 2025, 11:22:32 pm

Your author https://7news.com.au/profile/sarah-keszler

The article, is a one sided report, based on alleged activity, with minimal proof and maximum grandstanding by the very victims.

The AEC encouraged the police to be called for bullying by volunteers.  Are we sure this is what happened?

Here have a more emotive piece:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thepost.sydney/pre-poll-booth-clash-in-cherrybrook-has-police-called/

My instant response is to dismiss this as pure emotive propaganda, and in response to your claim, it's got people up and about online.  So yes, people will be swayed by this.

No, it isn't balanced reporting of events, no its isn't substantiated and who knows what was actually said and done given the behaviour isn't commented on but the reaction is.

I'm confused!

You have quoted two reports of incidents at pre-polling booths.  The incident involving Julian Leeser was reported to the always impartial AEC who notified the police as required under their legislation. 

Here's another article covering three incidents, two at pre-polling booths and one at a campaign rally:

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article/assault-intimidation-charges-after-separate-incidents-at-pre-polling-centres/6zvl8958k

In the first incident we have a MAGA supporter (WTF!) interfering with election advertising and being assaulted by a teenager who seems to have been a supporter of the PM.  The teenager was charged and locked up.  Then there's a person behaving aggressively towards Liberal volunteers who was also charged by police.  Finally, a supporter of Independent Monique Ryan threw a punch at right wing protestors who were disrupting Ryan's campaign meeting.

That's pretty well the whole gamut of the political spectrum.  It's reported on mainstream media, not social media.  The police are involved in two incidents and the offenders have been charged.  The reporting is balanced, factual, and certainly not emotive. The incidents are substantiated and there will be consequences ... and they won't make an iota of difference to the election outcomes in the electorates concerned or the overall result.

Strange as it may seem, not everything is a conspiracy, people of all persuasions can behave badly, police don't get involved without good reason, the media can provide accurate, impartial reports, and voting intentions are not swayed by bullying or reports of bullying.

Two people have been charged over incidents at pre-polling booths, including a teenager who seriously injured an elderly man during a tense stand-off in the prime minister's electorate.

The 17-year-old was due to face a children's court on Thursday after allegedly punching the 79-year-old at Ashfield, in Sydney's inner-west, on Wednesday afternoon.

The teenager allegedly punched a 79-year-old man in the face outside a pre-polling centre in the suburb, which falls within Anthony Albanese's electorate of Grayndler.

Your author https://7news.com.au/profile/sarah-keszler

The article, is a one sided report, based on alleged activity, with minimal proof and maximum grandstanding by the very victims.

The AEC encouraged the police to be called for bullying by volunteers.  Are we sure this is what happened?

Here have a more emotive piece:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thepost.sydney/pre-poll-booth-clash-in-cherrybrook-has-police-called/

My instant response is to dismiss this as pure emotive propaganda, and in response to your claim, it's got people up and about online.  So yes, people will be swayed by this.

No, it isn't balanced reporting of events, no its isn't substantiated and who knows what was actually said and done given the behaviour isn't commented on but the reaction is.

Quote from: Thryleon – on April 29, 2025, 07:23:51 pm

That its all likely to be grandstanding to sway public opinion. 

Particularly if we are talking volunteers handing out leaflets at a poll booth.

They all spruik their party politics.  Most of the time I ignore everything they say, accept the leaflets and hand them back on the way out.

I left in tears due to the bullying. Pandering to the exact sort of emotion that illicit a vote in that direction against the big bad liberal party.

Don't believe anything you read on social media that has any political connotations.  If this doesn't hit the news at 6pm on tv(and no, social media representing seven news is not the same thing) then it's not likely truthful and is yet another propaganda campaign to influence how people vote.

Propaganda is the number one tool in the method of swaying the population.  Has been for centuries.

Do you really think that volunteers complaining about an over-zealous party volunteer is going to sway public opinion?

Political parties, even the flakey minor parties, are a little more sophisticated than that.

The fact that volunteers from both the ALP and a Teal independent complained and the alleged offender departed before the police arrived suggests that there’s more than a kernel of truth to the story.

Sometimes the media - and this was mainstream rather than social - get the basics right and there’s no need to come up with alternative theories 🙂

Without getting into individual policy likes and dislikes because that's a personal thing for all of us...and there are pros and cons on both sides...but many come with consequences...

I consider myself pretty much a centrist. I've voted for both major parties on numerous occasions over the journey. Five days out and I'm a bit torn on this one. I'm in a fairly safe Liberal seat so my vote will have little impact. I don't feel that the Liberals have convinced me that they've done enough to win government. But the Labor party don't really inspire me either. Voting independent, or others, isn't really an option either. It's a wasted vote useful only as a protest vote.
At the moment the one thing that may swing me is that the only candidate that has taken the time to doorknock our area is the incumbent Liberal, who spent a good ten minutes with me talking more about local issues and the agenda he would push to get benefits for the electorate. Not a lot of time but more than any others. I still haven't 100% committed and though it's unlikely the LNP will get up, and his impact may be limited, I might give him my 'encouragement and participation'
award.

Quote from: Baggers – on April 29, 2025, 05:14:01 pm

Confused, 3 Leos. Not sure what you're asserting here and don't want to jump to conclusions. Crying after being bullied is not an unreasonable reaction, or unusual response/reaction... or is that not what you're saying?

That its all likely to be grandstanding to sway public opinion. 

Particularly if we are talking volunteers handing out leaflets at a poll booth.

They all spruik their party politics.  Most of the time I ignore everything they say, accept the leaflets and hand them back on the way out.

I left in tears due to the bullying. Pandering to the exact sort of emotion that illicit a vote in that direction against the big bad liberal party.

Don't believe anything you read on social media that has any political connotations.  If this doesn't hit the news at 6pm on tv(and no, social media representing seven news is not the same thing) then it's not likely truthful and is yet another propaganda campaign to influence how people vote.

Propaganda is the number one tool in the method of swaying the population.  Has been for centuries.