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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by LP -
Quote from: DJC – on
An exercise in hypocrisy!

Josh Frydenberg, ever the opportunist, is criticising the Government's position on hate speech but he strongly advocated weakening existing hate speech legislation when he was an MP.
Because he is guilty of it, he wants to throw rocks for political gain, that is part of his  hypocrisy exposed.

He is no different to Pauline, same tactics from a more profitable perspective. One targets the welfare state, the other billionaires.

They are not leaders, they are antagonists.
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The Sports Desk / Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
Quote from: dodge – on
Swepdon, if you want a leggies, Rocciocelli (sp) WA is having an excellent shield session.

England batting properly except for their horrible get out shots when they ran out of patience looked much more threatening than the first two tests.

AUS team for boxing day - In: Smith, Neser, Murphy. Out: Inglis (for Smith), Cummins (rested), Lyon (inj).  Green lucky - too many changes, Usman lucky - boys club means he survives instead of Ingliss.  Unlucky again - Webster.
Agree on the Ins and the reasoning.
I reckon Bethell will come into the top 6 for England and they may rest Carse for one of Potts or Fisher who are both more traditional county line and length seam bowlers. McCullum has two years to run on his contract at decent money so it's going to be an expensive decision to sack him.
I'd expect a more likely outcome to be that he develops bazball version 2 which will be a throttle back from what we have seen over the past couple of years.
Plenty of criticism back in England about the lack of county cricket played by the incumbent test players who play a lot of white ball cricket but don't turn out for the longer game either by choice or by fixturing of short format tournaments either home or overseas. Darren Lehmann who coaches Northants says he hasn't seen a selector or key personnel at any of their games or had a phone call about any of his players.
McCullum has been running his own boys club and I reckon that's going to change when England return home..
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The Sports Desk / Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread
Last post by dodge -
Swepdon, if you want a leggies, Rocciocelli (sp) WA is having an excellent shield session.

England batting properly except for their horrible get out shots when they ran out of patience looked much more threatening than the first two tests.

AUS team for boxing day - In: Smith, Neser, Murphy. Out: Inglis (for Smith), Cummins (rested), Lyon (inj).  Green lucky - too many changes, Usman lucky - boys club means he survives instead of Ingliss.  Unlucky again - Webster.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by Thryleon -
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Not saying it isnt, and whilst we like to place rules on this, where were these rules when Islamic militants abducted innocent party goers at a music festival?

This isnt sports.  With a referee that can adjudicate, and when the Palestinians hide their militants in the gen pop and under hospitals then what is expected?

I know there are rules of conduct and what not, but whos rules are they?   History is always written by the victor.

That's the thing though Thry, the terrorists who attacked innocent Israelis aren't professional soldiers, don't wear a uniform, don't answer to a government and aren't bound by the rules that govern conflicts between nations.  If they are apprehended, they are charged with terrorism offences (although the ICC did charge the now dead head of Hamas with war crimes).  When I was a member of the ADF, I was taught the provisions of the Geneva and Hague Conventions and regularly reminded to comply with them at all times.  Of course, professional soldiers may find it hard to adhere to the rules when the enemy doesn't, as we saw in Afghanistan.

Israel is a party to all four Geneva Conventions of 1949 and is legally bound by their rules ... and they're the first to bleat if any IDF personnel are not treated in accordance with the conventions.

Again, you're falling into the trap of assuming that the militants represent all Palestinians and all Palestinians are militants.  The vast majority of Palestinians just want the Israelis and Hamas to leave them alone and they are not hiding "their militants" anywhere.

The 7 October attacks killed 1,195 people, 815 of whom were Israeli civilians.  In addition, around 250 people were taken hostage and many of them haven't survived.  The Israeli offensive that followed has killed 70,925 Palestinians, foreign aid workers and reporters and another 171,185 have been wounded.  Around 1,200 IDF personnel have been killed since 7 October, on all fronts.  Since the "ceasefire", 379 Palestinians, including 70 children, have been killed and three IDF soldiers have died.  Those figures aren't surprising when you have one of the largest, most ruthless and well-equipped military forces waging war on unarmed civilians and defenceless children.

Hamas was estimated to have between 20-40,000 fighters of varying capacity and access to weapons in October 2023.  The IDF claims to have killed around 17,000 to 23,000 militants (that's around one third of Palestinian casualties) since then.  Of course, the ongoing persecution of Palestinians is likely to radicalise more fighters but there's a finite number. 

The ICC is the referee that adjudicates war crimes.

I'm not a fan of protests generally and I don't think the pro-Palestinian rallies will change anyone's mind, or government policies.  However, as Judith Treanor, a Jewish small business owner, points out,

"Those advocating for restrictions on pro-Palestinian protests must acknowledge the diversity of Jewish perspectives. Many Jews, including members of anti-Zionist groups like Jews Against the Occupation '48, Tzedek Collective, and the Loud Jew Collective, actively participate in these weekly rallies, standing in solidarity with Palestinians suffering atrocities in Gaza and the West Bank.

Globally, anti-Zionist Jewish groups echo this support. In the U.S., Jewish Voice for Peace and lfNotNow have organised mass protests. Orthodox groups like Torah Jews for Justice have taken clear anti-Zionist stances. In London, the UJewish Bloc" within pro-Palestine rallies numbers in the hundreds, including Holocaust survivors. Na'amod, a contributing group, emphasises that uonly when Palestinians live in freedom and dignity will Israel have security.

These groups, like ours, reject the notion that Zionism represents all Jews. The atrocities committed by Israel are not done in ourtives. Many Jews, including members of anti-Zionist groups like Jews Against the Occupation '48, Tzedek Collective, and the Loud Jew Collective, actively participate in these weekly rallies, standing in solidarity with Palestinians suffering atrocities in Gaza and the West Bank.

Globally, anti-Zionist Jewish groups echo this support. In the U.S., Jewish Voice for Peace and lfNotNow have organised mass protests. Orthodox groups like Torah Jews for Justice have taken clear anti-Zionist stances. In London, the UJewish Bloc" within pro-Palestine rallies numbers in the hundreds, including Holocaust survivors. Na'amod, a contributing group, emphasises that uonly when Palestinians live in freedom and dignity will Israel have security.

These groups, like ours, reject the notion that Zionism represents all Jews. The atrocities committed by Israel are not done in our name."

You can read Judith's letter here: chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/lcdocs/other/21804/Judith%20Treanor,%20Pearls%20and%20Irritations,%2029%20January%202025.pdf

ahh, but have you read the hadiths and manifestos laid out by Mohammed? 

The extremists are activists who represent Islam.  Not just Islamic state, not just palestine.  Its not as simple as being made out.

I agree that the Bondi stuff is over simplified as being anti Semitic.  Its activism in the worst way, but the actual scenario is that the Palestinian people won't rest until the Jews are expelled for Israel or what was former Britain mandate palestine.

Its a scenario without end djc.  Just like Ukraine Russia.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by DJC -
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Not saying it isnt, and whilst we like to place rules on this, where were these rules when Islamic militants abducted innocent party goers at a music festival?

This isnt sports.  With a referee that can adjudicate, and when the Palestinians hide their militants in the gen pop and under hospitals then what is expected?

I know there are rules of conduct and what not, but whos rules are they?   History is always written by the victor.

That's the thing though Thry, the terrorists who attacked innocent Israelis aren't professional soldiers, don't wear a uniform, don't answer to a government and aren't bound by the rules that govern conflicts between nations.  If they are apprehended, they are charged with terrorism offences (although the ICC did charge the now dead head of Hamas with war crimes).  When I was a member of the ADF, I was taught the provisions of the Geneva and Hague Conventions and regularly reminded to comply with them at all times.  Of course, professional soldiers may find it hard to adhere to the rules when the enemy doesn't, as we saw in Afghanistan.

Israel is a party to all four Geneva Conventions of 1949 and is legally bound by their rules ... and they're the first to bleat if any IDF personnel are not treated in accordance with the conventions.

Again, you're falling into the trap of assuming that the militants represent all Palestinians and all Palestinians are militants.  The vast majority of Palestinians just want the Israelis and Hamas to leave them alone and they are not hiding "their militants" anywhere.

The 7 October attacks killed 1,195 people, 815 of whom were Israeli civilians.  In addition, around 250 people were taken hostage and many of them haven't survived.  The Israeli offensive that followed has killed 70,925 Palestinians, foreign aid workers and reporters and another 171,185 have been wounded.  Around 1,200 IDF personnel have been killed since 7 October, on all fronts.  Since the "ceasefire", 379 Palestinians, including 70 children, have been killed and three IDF soldiers have died.  Those figures aren't surprising when you have one of the largest, most ruthless and well-equipped military forces waging war on unarmed civilians and defenceless children.

Hamas was estimated to have between 20-40,000 fighters of varying capacity and access to weapons in October 2023.  The IDF claims to have killed around 17,000 to 23,000 militants (that's around one third of Palestinian casualties) since then.  Of course, the ongoing persecution of Palestinians is likely to radicalise more fighters but there's a finite number. 

The ICC is the referee that adjudicates war crimes.

I'm not a fan of protests generally and I don't think the pro-Palestinian rallies will change anyone's mind, or government policies.  However, as Judith Treanor, a Jewish small business owner, points out,

"Those advocating for restrictions on pro-Palestinian protests must acknowledge the diversity of Jewish perspectives. Many Jews, including members of anti-Zionist groups like Jews Against the Occupation '48, Tzedek Collective, and the Loud Jew Collective, actively participate in these weekly rallies, standing in solidarity with Palestinians suffering atrocities in Gaza and the West Bank.

Globally, anti-Zionist Jewish groups echo this support. In the U.S., Jewish Voice for Peace and lfNotNow have organised mass protests. Orthodox groups like Torah Jews for Justice have taken clear anti-Zionist stances. In London, the UJewish Bloc" within pro-Palestine rallies numbers in the hundreds, including Holocaust survivors. Na'amod, a contributing group, emphasises that uonly when Palestinians live in freedom and dignity will Israel have security.

These groups, like ours, reject the notion that Zionism represents all Jews. The atrocities committed by Israel are not done in ourtives. Many Jews, including members of anti-Zionist groups like Jews Against the Occupation '48, Tzedek Collective, and the Loud Jew Collective, actively participate in these weekly rallies, standing in solidarity with Palestinians suffering atrocities in Gaza and the West Bank.

Globally, anti-Zionist Jewish groups echo this support. In the U.S., Jewish Voice for Peace and lfNotNow have organised mass protests. Orthodox groups like Torah Jews for Justice have taken clear anti-Zionist stances. In London, the UJewish Bloc" within pro-Palestine rallies numbers in the hundreds, including Holocaust survivors. Na'amod, a contributing group, emphasises that uonly when Palestinians live in freedom and dignity will Israel have security.

These groups, like ours, reject the notion that Zionism represents all Jews. The atrocities committed by Israel are not done in our name."

You can read Judith's letter here: chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/lcdocs/other/21804/Judith%20Treanor,%20Pearls%20and%20Irritations,%2029%20January%202025.pdf
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by Gointocarlton -
To be honest, I dont know what the answers are to the problems we face here that are related to issues overseas, smarter and more tolerant people than me might figure it out (hopefully). What I do know, and I think we can all agree on, is that these acts of violence on our shores are so un Australian it's not funny. Once upon a time, I felt comfort in that fact that the vast expanses of water surrounding an our great land was the worlds greatest DH and Issue filter. I feel like that powers that be have allowed this comfort to be eroded away. I feel like the smarter we have become as a society in general, the dumber we have actually become. What I mean by that is despite the wealth of knowledge available at everyone's fingertips, we've outsmarted ourselves and neglected the basics. I used the word tolerant above, I wonder if that's the crux of the problem? Perhaps there needs to be a better balance between hard ass laws/policies and tolerance, I think it's swayed too much one way and here we are. People are scared at home at night, people are scared in shopping centres, people are scared walking down the street, people are scared gathering at church, sporting events, concerts etc. I never in my wildest dreams thought Australia would be like this. I dont know the answers but I sure as hell know something aint right.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by Lods -
We actually agree on something. ;D

If you're not in it you can't win it.
Walsh must have made some impression in his 14 games
Weitering little in his 23.
Is Weitering injured a bigger loss than Cerra?
Coaches votes are also affected by the performance of the team
If the team suffers a loss, the number of players in the Coaches votes will be less than if the side wins.
There were probably half a dozen games where Carlton players wouldn't even have figured in the votes.

Edit: Just had a quick scan of the votes. (Quick scan- so I may have missed some votes)
There were several games where Carlton players didn't get votes.
Hewett polled in 10 games and nearly doubled the votes of any other Carlton player (56)
Cripps polled in 8 (for 27 votes)
Cerra (27 votes) De Koning (31), Walsh ( 34) and Weitering (22) all polled in five games.

As a tool to assess the impact and the effect of injuries I'm struggling to exactly understand the point they're trying to make.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by shawny -
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The bottom line is that the International Criminal Court (ICC) issued arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Yoav Gallant, the former Minister of Defense of Israel, alleging responsibility for the war crime of starvation as a method of warfare and the crimes against humanity of murder, persecution, and other inhumane acts during the Gaza war.  Even in war there are lines that aren't crossed by civilised countries or their leaders. 

A subsequent UN Commission of Inquiry called for genocide charges to be added to the warrant after finding the Israeli government guilty of multiple violations of the 1948 Genocide Convention.

The ICC also issued an arrest warrant for Hamas military commander Mohammed Deif but it was later learned that he had been killed in an Israeli airstrike.

Just as all Jews aren't Zionists or Israelis, very few Palestinians are Hamas.  Israel's Palestinian genocide is a disproportionate response to Hamas terrorism.
That's no excuse to bring their wars to Australia.Last time I checked Bondi beach wasnt connected to the Gaza strip.
Same with these pro Palestinian demonstrations where Australian Flags are burnt and ISIS flags are flown, it's got nothing to do with Australia and we are not a battleground for religious holy wars.
Albanese by his own admission hasn't done enough, sat on his Envoys report for 5 months and now we are having to look over our shoulder every time we shop at Westfield or Myer during the Christmas period. NSW police now want Rifles so they have more firepower...too little , too late from Albo and now our once safe country is  a war zone.

spot on as usual Eb.

why allow protests when relating to oversea issues? they are fanatical and protests builds unity among them and just strengthens there beliefs until they end up taking thinga into their own hands when the issues are not resolved

We are way too soft here we allow their hatred to grow and manifest until one of them does an evil act and the innocent are slaughtered. Same as our p1ssweak sentencing - they gave bail (was later revoked) to the nutcase who stabbed that poor innovent chef a few months back in the city. disgusting and weak and the sorts that commit these vile acts prey on the weak so unless we get serious and make big changes  its going to happen again.