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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by shawny -
It reeks of double standards to make excuses for Clarkson at North, but not Voss. If Vossy's first 3 seasons yielded a W/L of 3-10 (plus 10 straight losses under Ratts as fill-in), 3-20 and 5-1-17, folks on here would not give any coach the BOD, whatever their previous records says. They would be screaming blue murder.

Clarkson's is considered by many as the best coach of all time and took over a list which was not in the same condition as what Voss took over.

Clarkson just happened to win 4 flag and numerous deep finals so yes his standing deserves him more time to produce. 

Voss failed at Brisbane and has failed with us. Very different.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by shawny -


Thats fine provided the system the coach wants followed can work. Contested inside footy is taxing it slow and not the way the current game is played and hence why we are sitting in 16th spot. 
Good luck getting our ball butchers and slow pokes to play the modern game. That's why we are in 16th spot.

Agree, both areas are in need of major change - coaching group is not up and the list needs major change to key areas. We are desperate with clean skilled users and players that can move quick when transitioning. Not sure we have any in these catagory.

The speed point is list managements failure the skills one is debatable. We dont seem to develop players well so who knows.     

You need a coach that can adapt to the times, provide sound gameplans that are tailored to beat the opposition each week and be capable of make smart game day moves the minute they are needed and finally to motivate the charges. Voss fails imo in most of those areas. 

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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by PaulP -
It reeks of double standards to make excuses for Clarkson at North, but not Voss. If Vossy's first 3 seasons yielded a W/L of 3-10 (plus 10 straight losses under Ratts as fill-in), 3-20 and 5-1-17, folks on here would not give any coach the BOD, whatever their previous records says. They would be screaming blue murder.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by Gointocarlton -
Interesting hearing Luke Beveridge after the Geelong game. He said that as coaches, you either mold the game style to the players you have, or you establish a game style that you know will be successful, and you ask everyone to come up to that. He stated he's always tried the latter. It's similar to the old adage of designing / building a house down to a budget, or up to a standard.

Thats fine provided the system the coach wants followed can work. Contested inside footy is taxing it slow and not the way the current game is played and hence why we are sitting in 16th spot. 
Good luck getting our ball butchers and slow pokes to play the modern game. That's why we are in 16th spot.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by shawny -
Interesting hearing Luke Beveridge after the Geelong game. He said that as coaches, you either mold the game style to the players you have, or you establish a game style that you know will be successful, and you ask everyone to come up to that. He stated he's always tried the latter. It's similar to the old adage of designing / building a house down to a budget, or up to a standard.

Thats fine provided the system the coach wants followed can work. Contested inside footy is taxing it slow and not the way the current game is played and hence why we are sitting in 16th spot. 
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by PaulP -
Interesting hearing Luke Beveridge after the Geelong game. He said that as coaches, you either mold the game style to the players you have, or you establish a game style that you know will be successful, and you ask everyone to come up to that. He stated he's always tried the latter. It's similar to the old adage of designing / building a house down to a budget, or up to a standard.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by Baggers -
W D L

Alistair Clarkson - North Melbourne
15 1 49

Michel Voss - Carlton
47 1 48

Given that some fans believe we are the new St Kilda, Vossy is knocking it out of the park.

Love him or hate him, Clarko has a hefty successful bank account of success to draw upon - Dawks... and he took over an absolute cot-case - Kangabies.

How does Clarkos first 10 years as a senior coach stack up against Vossy's  ;)
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 6 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Collingwood
Last post by kruddler -


The only one spinning it is the bloke who refuses to acknowledge that the success of a football team is spread across 100 blokes, not 1.
Maybe, but it starts with the coach. You can have everything else in place, but if the coach isn't doing the job then it won't work. If the end it is all about what happens on the field and right now it is 11 wins from the last 38. If that isn't happening but nothing is happening. Not disagreeing totally with you, you have some points, but that's the bottom line. He has failed to evolve with the changing game, which is pretty obvious.

You can have issues with a crap club generally, which I think beat Teague, and Malthouse made mention of that not long ago in his time here, but sometimes coaching stands out more, as it has here and did going back to Bolton. Have to be aware of which is the greater over-riding issue. Vossy is basically done here. 11 from 38 says so.
Flip the logic around.

You can have the best coach in the land, but if the blokes around him are not doing their job it won't work.

Yes, Voss has stuck with the contested ball game plan. Why is that?
Do we have a bunch of fast, elite ball user, outside runners on our list? Please point them out if you do because i can't see them.
So IF he tried to do anything else, then we would be FURTHER behind on the win/loss ledger. We simply don't have the cattle to do anything else.

Its been 2 years and we still struggle for midfield forward connection and conversion. Its because we have a list full of blokes who can't kick. The guys we have up forward are not good enough to overcome this. We HAD Charlie, who helped. Even TDK could take a mark out of nowhere and help that area out. Now we've got very little marking talent up forward, and nothing coming through, and we have addressed our biggest issue in the midfield anywhere near a point where we can change our style.

So what do you want Voss to do?

What would Chris Fagan do with this team? Roos, Longmire, Hardwick, Clarkson.....anyone?
We play the way we do because of the players we have.
We struggle to turn things around on match day because the players we have.
We struggle to kick through the big sticks, because of the players we have.

To paraphrase the old Ronald Dale....
You give me players, and i'll shutup!