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Quote from: Thryleon – on May 17, 2026, 09:43:10 pm

A cynic might say that Voss decided to resign with the writing on the wall and ensuring that the club looked silly in the process.  Whilst Wright and Priestly looked a bit unflustered, I don’t think Voss deciding to call it quits this week was part of the plan.  Perhaps we were going to let him coach out the year after all, and he was not having a bar of it.

It's certainly possible. I suspect if anything, Wright and Davies would've been relieved to see him give his notice so promptly. The pressure is off team performance this season IMO, so they have bought themselves plenty of time.

A cynic might say that Voss decided to resign with the writing on the wall and ensuring that the club looked silly in the process.  Whilst Wright and Priestly looked a bit unflustered, I don’t think Voss deciding to call it quits this week was part of the plan.  Perhaps we were going to let him coach out the year after all, and he was not having a bar of it.

Quote from: Lods – on May 17, 2026, 04:10:57 pm

Yes
I also agree
The point is that Voss's departure is being framed as a 'sacking' rather than a failure to renew a contract.
Now, you can argue "little difference" ...the end result is the same.
But there is a difference... in terms of who determined the timing of that decision.
We will write that the club determined that timing, and over the years that will become "we sacked Voss midway through the year," when in fact the timing and method of his departure was determined by Voss.
He went out on his terms, at a time of his choosing.
Which version do you think he would prefer?

My idea of a resignation is essentially when the company or club has no issue with you, they would be happy to keep you, and you leave of your own volition, without any mitigating circumstances.

I'm not sure that temporality tips the scales one way or the other. Wright and Davies made it clear they were not going to continue with Voss, and they allowed the "resignation" narrative to take center stage, as indeed they should. Allows him to exit the club with some dignity intact. I'm sure his first preference would be to receive a contract extension and finish the work he started. His 2nd preference would be what just unfolded. Our club has a pretty dismal record of treating coaches like garbage when they exit the club. At least with Voss there was a little dignity to the affair. Small mercies and all that.

Yes
I also agree
The point is that Voss's departure is being framed as a 'sacking' rather than a failure to renew a contract.
Now, you can argue "little difference" ...the end result is the same.
But there is a difference... in terms of who determined the timing of that decision.
We will write that the club determined that timing, and over the years that will become "we sacked Voss midway through the year," when in fact the timing and method of his departure was determined by Voss.
He went out on his terms, at a time of his choosing.
Which version do you think he would prefer?

Quote from: Thryleon – on May 17, 2026, 04:36:31 pm

actually 5 goals happens in most games these days.  Collingwood jumped sydney just the other night, and then sydney did it back.  Geelong put 7 straight on against Brisbane in Brisbane. Lets not discuss hawthorn and Melbourne. 

Scoring 5 without a goal going in the other way is largely irrelevant when you might kick 0.4 from set shots. 

Not all situations are the same. Ive picked my examples from this round alone and I remember having done more analysis into it when teague was coaching, we were often one set shot missed  away from preventing those 5 goal run ons.

Not every week to the same side.

Alot of people are trying very hard here.

I've walked the road saying "They were appointed, they MUST know what theyre doing"
I no longer have the confidence or foolishness to believe that...

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on May 17, 2026, 04:57:37 pm

GTC..I'll see who Wright and Davies appoint as Coach and List Manager and judge their dumbness accordingly🤔....

I'm confident.

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on May 17, 2026, 04:52:17 pm

EB I'd be ecstatic to make a Mickey Mouse wildcatrd final but we MUST NOT lose sight of the fact there is much work to do. That work is motion now and must not be deviated from no matter what the season ends up looking like. Your last sentence is it in a nutshell whether we win all, some or none of the remaining games. Wright and Davies arent dumb.

GTC..I'll see who Wright and Davies appoint as Coach and List Manager and judge their dumbness accordingly🤔....

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on May 17, 2026, 03:10:55 pm

I guess where we differ is our opinion of the list, I think its terrible, slow, poorly skilled, unbalanced, wrong age profile/games played for a bottom team and built for a gameplan that Noah designed before he built the ark. The sacking of Agresta and Austin would tell me that Wright isnt convinced either and wants changes and im sorry but Id be trading Cripps and a couple of others while they have value. A few sugar hit wins like we saw with David Teague just wallpapers some massive cracks imo and leads us to another false dawn . I want a rebuild of the list, draft picks to help fix it and a List Manager who knows what he is doing.
To me making a wildcard final game would be the worst result as the club would think it has the list moving forward and  the cycle will start again and another coach will have his head on a stick outside ikon park in a couple of years.
Strip it all back, new coach, new captain, new leadership group, new List Manager and do it right...

EB I'd be ecstatic to make a Mickey Mouse wildcatrd final but we MUST NOT lose sight of the fact there is much work to do. That work is motion now and must not be deviated from no matter what the season ends up looking like. Your last sentence is it in a nutshell whether we win all, some or none of the remaining games. Wright and Davies arent dumb.