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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
Quote from: Lods – on
Are we rating the performance based on our own biases. ;)
Those that supported Voss seem to think we did nothing different...suggesting we would have won anyway
Those who wanted him moved on are pointing out areas where they thought we changed things up.
There's an argument for both.

I don't think there were major differences to our performance from our game last week.
But I do think it was a more even performance across the game, and even those who didn't exactly shine contributed.

The thing is there was very little time to change things up too much given the short period of time between Voss's departure and the game.
I suspect that's why we didn't see wholesale changes to the team or the way we played.
The inclusion of Jack was the only change from a team that ran Brisbane close...and that was fair enough.
The VFL had a good win and  number of players put forward a claim for selection yesterday...so we may see something different next week....or not.
At any rate we did something we haven't done much this year...and that's win a game and get 4 points.

I still think we would have won with Voss coaching and same next game vs Port.
Voss is probably unlucky with the timing and could have improved his record but imo we need to concentrate on the big picture not short term sugar hit wins.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Last post by shawny -
Quote from: Thryleon – on
@IAJ and @shawny, you guys really cant differentiate outcome and performance can you?  If that was 4 quarters explain the second quarter for me?

Nice try - I will ask again did you see anything difference with the gameplan. I will give you some clues: Any difference with how we were transitioning from a kick out? any difference with our general uncontested controlling of the ball? less kicking to a contest?

What about the way we lowered our kicking into 50 and spread the difference so when the ball hit the ground there was space to snap?

If you argue against that I'm not going to bother debating it as its pointless. There was a big changes in how we played and the players were less taxed in the last quarter as a result.

And no this doesn't mean we will win every week and but at least with this gameplan we stand a better chance of beating the teams we should compared to the dated contested bang and crash system we were going with.

Anyway time will tell but i reckon the likes of Wilson, Ison, Carroll and even Jagga will like this system over the last.
 
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Last post by Lods -
Are we rating the performance based on our own biases. ;)
Those that supported Voss seem to think we did nothing different...suggesting we would have won anyway
Those who wanted him moved on are pointing out areas where they thought we changed things up.
There's an argument for both.

I don't think there were major differences to our performance from our game last week.
But I do think it was a more even performance across the game, and even those who didn't exactly shine contributed.

The thing is there was very little time to change things up too much given the short period of time between Voss's departure and the game.
I suspect that's why we didn't see wholesale changes to the team or the way we played.
The inclusion of Jack was the only change from a team that ran Brisbane close...and that was fair enough.
The VFL had a good win and  number of players put forward a claim for selection yesterday...so we may see something different next week....or not.
At any rate we did something we haven't done much this year...and that's win a game and get 4 points.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
Quote from: shawny – on
Quote from: kruddler – on
Did we really play that much better than last week?

To me it was similar output, only difference was the opposition were not as good.

omg lol
I thought our contested work was better than theirs and we slowed the game down later in the game by holding onto the ball and not trying to run with it to limit turnovers. It was the same game style imo but with a different finishing style but it was  again based around stoppage goals or free kick goals but not much system.
A win is a win and you take the  4 points but the big picture for me is rebuilding the list and getting better draft picks so winning is a short term view and I'd rather we just blood youngsters like Port are doing and finish we where we need to so we get max benefit at draft time.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Last post by PaulP -
Quote from: RiverRat – on
The emphasis on the uncontested kick/mark game provided a nice contrast to the play-on-at-all-costs-and-turnover-the-ball-under-pressure game and the always-kick-it-high-to-a-contest game.  It also might have contributed to the team being able to sustain four quarters of effort.  Not pretty (or even pretty entertaining) but the outcome was preferable.

The ABC commentary I listened to made mention of the fact that the Doggies have had a grueling few weeks, and that they looked out on their feet by half time or thereabouts. I guess under these circumstances a keepings-off game will work well, although it does run counter to this "modern game" I keep hearing about, which is speed and run-and-gun at all costs.

At any rate, hopefully we can all strike a balance between enjoying a very rare win without thinking that we're off and away.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Last post by laj -
Quote from: Thryleon – on
@IAJ and @shawny, you guys really cant differentiate outcome and performance can you?  If that was 4 quarters explain the second quarter for me?
4 qtrs, the  other mob  didn't exactly score either in the 2nd qtr. You miss the other side. It was a very defensive qtr obviously. Dogs didn't score their only goal until very late. Wasn't the blow away that normally happens at any time.

Guess that answers that question. Anything else?
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 10 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs
Last post by RiverRat -
Quote from: PaulP – on
The commentary around the AFL media is that we played in a similar way, with extra emphasis on the uncontested kick/mark game. The backbone on the win was contest and work at the coal face. Our pressure was good, no question.
The emphasis on the uncontested kick/mark game provided a nice contrast to the play-on-at-all-costs-and-turnover-the-ball-under-pressure game and the always-kick-it-high-to-a-contest game.  It also might have contributed to the team being able to sustain four quarters of effort.  Not pretty (or even pretty entertaining) but the outcome was preferable.