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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by northernblue -this is not affirmative action.
I won't bother answering your Taco question because we have another thread dedicated to the shenanigans of the senile, misogynistic, convicted felon who is making such a balls up of his second go at playing at being POTUS.
Yes, racism isn't confined to folk of a particular skin colour, it's much more than that.
"Racism is the process by which systems and policies, actions and attitudes create inequitable opportunities and outcomes for people based on race. Racism is more than just prejudice in thought or action. It occurs when this prejudice – whether individual or institutional – is accompanied by the power to discriminate against, oppress or limit the rights of others."
The key point there is that racism is prejudice by those with power over others, such as that exercised by the Chinese government against the Uyghurs and Tibetans. Ensuring that an ethnic minority has equal access to health care is affirmative action, not racism.
If i walk in to this ED and an indigenous bloke walkS in, both with category 4 classification, EXACT SAME ISSUE, he goes first because he's indigenous even though I was triaged before him. He gets upgraded to category 3.
Effectively they're fast tracked based on race. Seems fair....
Mate, they die younger, they live sicker lives.
Come up and visit me and you’ll see that 40-70% of the NT mob are wrapped in filthy bandages despite the medical professions best efforts.
We are not discussing intelligent well educated and articulate people like say Ernie Dingo here, we are discussing the downtrodden.
If you and he presented simultaneously you would both recieve the same treatment as (relatively) young fit healthy men, of this I have no doubt.
Certainly so here in the Territory.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by DJC -this is not affirmative action.
I won't bother answering your Taco question because we have another thread dedicated to the shenanigans of the senile, misogynistic, convicted felon who is making such a balls up of his second go at playing at being POTUS.
Yes, racism isn't confined to folk of a particular skin colour, it's much more than that.
"Racism is the process by which systems and policies, actions and attitudes create inequitable opportunities and outcomes for people based on race. Racism is more than just prejudice in thought or action. It occurs when this prejudice – whether individual or institutional – is accompanied by the power to discriminate against, oppress or limit the rights of others."
The key point there is that racism is prejudice by those with power over others, such as that exercised by the Chinese government against the Uyghurs and Tibetans. Ensuring that an ethnic minority has equal access to health care is affirmative action, not racism.
If i walk in to this ED and an indigenous bloke walkS in, both with category 4 classification, EXACT SAME ISSUE, he goes first because he's indigenous even though I was triaged before him. He gets upgraded to category 3.
Effectively they're fast tracked based on race. Seems fair....
He is fast tracked because his chances of a good outcome are lower than yours, because of his race.
But what are the chances of an Indigenous Australian walking into an ED at the same time as you? I bet that it will never happen in your hopefully very long lifetime.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by Thryleon -
Do you really believe this - If Trump did a similar thing would you call it good policy. Don't bother answering that.
And btw racism is racism regardless of which skin colour is the one being discriminated against
I won't bother answering your Taco question because we have another thread dedicated to the shenanigans of the senile, misogynistic, convicted felon who is making such a balls up of his second go at playing at being POTUS.
Yes, racism isn't confined to folk of a particular skin colour, it's much more than that.
"Racism is the process by which systems and policies, actions and attitudes create inequitable opportunities and outcomes for people based on race. Racism is more than just prejudice in thought or action. It occurs when this prejudice – whether individual or institutional – is accompanied by the power to discriminate against, oppress or limit the rights of others."
The key point there is that racism is prejudice by those with power over others, such as that exercised by the Chinese government against the Uyghurs and Tibetans. Ensuring that an ethnic minority has equal access to health care is affirmative action, not racism.
If i walk in to this ED and an indigenous bloke walkS in, both with category 4 classification, EXACT SAME ISSUE, he goes first because he's indigenous even though I was triaged before him. He gets upgraded to category 3.
Effectively they're fast tracked based on race. Seems fair....
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by Baggers -two wrongs dont make a right Baggers.
Yes, if true, a policy or triage stupidity. But I do muse to myself... Over how many decades were 'whites' prioritized over indigenous folks!
"The triaging of patients should be done on medical need, not based on the colour of your skin,”
Direct quite from the article. Short sharp and to the point. Category 3 patients are usually those who rock up with a broken leg. Not urgent, in pain, so giving them priority over other cat 3, 4, 5 patients is not necessarily going to cause life threatening issues, but it will fast track them over folks who have been waiting. Where this becomes problematic is when the sla for cat 4 and 5 patients is not being met.
Also this doesnt close an equality gap it creates one. The point of racism is to eliminate the difference not create gaps.
I think you misunderstood my tongue in cheek post. Not for one second would I support any notion of triage favouring anything other than medical need.
Like Pauly I read the article which stunk of beat up, manipulation, click-bait and any number of shallow, foolish motives. Pardon the pun, but sickening 'journalism.'
My tongue in cheek comment was in relation to if it were true... the outrage is huge... and pregnant with hypocrisy when considering treatment of indigenous folks. Simply a musing on my part.
Yes, triage, I emphasize, is about prioritizing patients in terms of needs... not hair colour, personal wealth, religion, race, ear size or any other irrelevancy.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by DJC -
It’s not meant to be an excuse because good public policy doesn’t need to be excused.
Do you really believe this - If Trump did a similar thing would you call it good policy. Don't bother answering that.
And btw racism is racism regardless of which skin colour is the one being discriminated against
I won't bother answering your Taco question because we have another thread dedicated to the shenanigans of the senile, misogynistic, convicted felon who is making such a balls up of his second go at playing at being POTUS.
Yes, racism isn't confined to folk of a particular skin colour, it's much more than that.
"Racism is the process by which systems and policies, actions and attitudes create inequitable opportunities and outcomes for people based on race. Racism is more than just prejudice in thought or action. It occurs when this prejudice – whether individual or institutional – is accompanied by the power to discriminate against, oppress or limit the rights of others."
The key point there is that racism is prejudice by those with power over others, such as that exercised by the Chinese government against the Uyghurs and Tibetans. Ensuring that an ethnic minority has equal access to health care is affirmative action, not racism.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by DJC -It is the point though because hospitals have taken steps to address a failure to care for a small and vulnerable cohort without any negative impacts on the care provided to everyone else.The only concern I have over this is the question of who is indigenous.
In my direct personal experience, I know of people claiming Federal benefits because the local mob declared them as members of the mob, despite not have a drop of indigenous heritage. Then another segment of the same mob use access to those benefits as a form of blackmail, skimming "a donation" of the top in return for silence.
If we leave the classification of such matters to hearsay and opinion, the dark side of humanity will prevail, it has to be more formal.
LP, you know that I worked in Indigenous affairs for over 30 years and that's not how the system works. For a start, what "Federal benefits" would they be claiming? With some exceptions, like Abstudy, Indigenous Australians access the same Centrelink payments as everyone else. Skimming Centrelink payments wouldn't be a very lucrative form of blackmail.
In my experience, the mob is very quick to expose anyone who falsely claims to be Indigenous. For example, see Michael Mansell's rejection of Bruce Pascoe's claim of Tasmanian Aboriginal ancestry: https://tasmaniantimes.com/2020/01/bruce-pascoe-is-not-aboriginal/
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Ladies Lounge / Re: AFLW 2025 Rd 12 Carlton vs West Coast at Perth
Last post by kruddler -If we win, we are in.
If we draw, we are in.
If either Adelaide or Sydney draw, we are in.
If any of Saints, Adelaide or Sydney lose, we are in, even if we lose. (Fremantle are so far behind % wise, that it doesn't matter)
If we lose and everyone below us wins, we can still be in, but it'll come down to %.
West Coast go above us if they win as their % is already better than ours.
Saints got above us if they win as they are on the same points as us already.
Adelaide and Sydney are about a 2-3-goal margin behind us in terms of %, so these results matter.
So VERY roughly speaking....
If Adelaide winning margin + Our losing margin > 2-3 goals, it will be pretty even % wise between us
If Sydney winning margin + Our losing margin > 2-3 goals, it will be pretty even % wise between us.
Of course, none of that matters if we win.
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Ladies Lounge / AFLW 2025 Rd 12 Carlton vs West Coast at Perth
Last post by kruddler -Both Hill and McKay are back.
Out: Skepper and O'Connell.
Bit surprised about Skepper, thought there was a few in line before her, but so be it.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by LP -It is the point though because hospitals have taken steps to address a failure to care for a small and vulnerable cohort without any negative impacts on the care provided to everyone else.
In my direct personal experience, I know of people claiming Federal benefits because the local mob declared them as members of the mob, despite not have a drop of indigenous heritage. Then another segment of the same mob use access to those benefits as a form of blackmail, skimming "a donation" of the top in return for silence.
If we leave the classification of such matters to hearsay and opinion, the dark side of humanity will prevail, it has to be more formal.