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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by PaulP -
Quote from: DJC – on
It really has nothing to do with blame Paul.  It is the actions of the Opposition that is under scrutiny here.  Howard, Abbott and Morrison enjoyed bipartisan support for their responses, as they should.  

Ley and McKenzie have gone all out finger pointing and blaming Wong and Albanese, and their outsourced hype crew and propaganda arm are more than happy to add fuel to the fire.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by DJC -
Quote from: PaulP – on
Quote from: DJC – on
Morrison was PM when an Australian nazi terrorist shot and killed 51 Muslim worshippers in New Zealand.  Abbott was PM when a Muslim terrorist took hostages in the Lindt Cafe, two of whom subsequently died from gunshot wounds.  Howard was PM when an Australian shot and killed 35 tourists at Port Arthur.

The common thread is that the Opposition adopted a bi-partisan approach and supported the Government's responses in each case.

You would expect the One Nation nutters to try to capitalise on any event but the politicisation of the Bondi tragedy by the Coalition is disgraceful.

The hysterical calls for a Royal Commission are probably understandable but should be ignored by good government.  If there were flaws in the work of ASIO, AFP and/or NSW Police, they need to be identified and rectified immediately, not after a Royal Commission has spent 18 months or more examining the terrorist attack from a legal perspective.

I would never in a million years blame Howard or Tony Rundle for Port Arthur. Seems like a flimsy logic and a poor argument.

It really has nothing to do with blame Paul.  It is the actions of the Opposition that is under scrutiny here.  Howard, Abbott and Morrison enjoyed bipartisan support for their responses, as they should.  
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by Gointocarlton -
Once again, after a catastrophe in NSW, a good leader in Chris Minns comes to the fore (IMO). I say again because I remember the Premier there in Mike Baird during and after the Lindt Cafe siege. Its a shame quality like these guys dont step up to federal level pushing out the bunch of absolute buffoons there now. I also dont mind the cut of the SA Premiers jib for that matter.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by PaulP -
Quote from: DJC – on
Morrison was PM when an Australian nazi terrorist shot and killed 51 Muslim worshippers in New Zealand.  Abbott was PM when a Muslim terrorist took hostages in the Lindt Cafe, two of whom subsequently died from gunshot wounds.  Howard was PM when an Australian shot and killed 35 tourists at Port Arthur.

The common thread is that the Opposition adopted a bi-partisan approach and supported the Government's responses in each case.

You would expect the One Nation nutters to try to capitalise on any event but the politicisation of the Bondi tragedy by the Coalition is disgraceful.

The hysterical calls for a Royal Commission are probably understandable but should be ignored by good government.  If there were flaws in the work of ASIO, AFP and/or NSW Police, they need to be identified and rectified immediately, not after a Royal Commission has spent 18 months or more examining the terrorist attack from a legal perspective.

I would never in a million years blame Howard or Tony Rundle for Port Arthur. Seems like a flimsy logic and a poor argument.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by Lods -
I think the thing I struggle with in trying to understand the motivation of those that carry out these acts of terror is that the result always invites a backlash, against not only the perpetrators but by extension the people they claim to represent. We’ve seen that play out the last week.

Not all Jewish people are supportive of the actions of the Israeli government and military.
Not all Palestinians are supportive of Hamas.

There are a few other aspects that are probably true...
If Hamas hadn’t committed the atrocities of October the 7th 2023 there would be 70,000 Palestinian men, woman and children still alive. Maybe not all living in the best of conditions but at least with the basics of housing, food and medical access.
There would be 1200 Israelis killed on the day who would still be alive
There are around 1000 IDF soldiers been killed in combat since October the 7th (around half of them in Gaza) who would still be alive

That the response to the attack has been overwhelmingly disproportionate is also true. Israeli leadership has acted reprehensibly to the point that war crimes have occurred, no doubt, and areas of Gaza left totally destroyed and uninhabitable. That those leaders will ever be held to full account is doubtful. Winners rarely get held to account.

Was the disproportionate response unpredictable?
Hardly!

The Jewish people learned from the very, very best about ‘disproportionate’ responses. Whole villages would be exterminated as revenge for the loss of German lives during the 1940’s. The leaders of Israel are in many cases the children and or grandchildren of European Jews who survived (or didn’t) the horrors of the “Holocaust”
There would have been a general feeling amongst Israelis since the founding of that country that “never again will we go meekly to the slaughter”.

So given the Israeli response would be disproportionate, and Hamas would know that, then the question would have to be “Why attack civilians in the manner in which they did?”

Did they believe the response would be disproportionate, but not in the extreme manner that’s occurred…that hostages would also give Hamas some protection and bargaining power and the Israelis some pause.

Did they believe that once the conflict started, other Arab nations and Iran would join the fight.

Or did they believe that the ‘world’ outrage and growing sympathy for their cause following such a disproportionate response was likely (as has happened)…If that’s what a ‘win’ looks like their fellow Palestinians have paid a terrible price to gain that sympathy and support.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by Gointocarlton -
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: Lods – on
Sussan Ley is embarrassing with some of her appearances in recent days.
 ::)


Not as embarrassing as Albanese, Wong and Burke. The only polly with any credibility has been Chris Minns from NSW imo.
Minns has been prepared to break ALP ranks and call for a Royal Commission along with the Federal Opposition and has been able to negotiate support from NSW opposition leader Kellie Sloane for security and gun control reforms. Albanese and crew have been too busy avoiding responsibility and are more interested in deflecting criticism, accountability and trying to shore up votes by making token disingenuous appearances which have been met with the appropriate response from the Jewish community who can see through them like a sheet of ultra clear glass.

Gotta laugh, Albo's reasoning for not calling for a royal commission is because Howard didnt after Port Arthur. What a farken moron, any wonder the country is farked.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by DJC -
Morrison was PM when an Australian nazi terrorist shot and killed 51 Muslim worshippers in New Zealand.  Abbott was PM when a Muslim terrorist took hostages in the Lindt Cafe, two of whom subsequently died from gunshot wounds.  Howard was PM when an Australian shot and killed 35 tourists at Port Arthur.

The common thread is that the Opposition adopted a bi-partisan approach and supported the Government's responses in each case.

You would expect the One Nation nutters to try to capitalise on any event but the politicisation of the Bondi tragedy by the Coalition is disgraceful.

The hysterical calls for a Royal Commission are probably understandable but should be ignored by good government.  If there were flaws in the work of ASIO, AFP and/or NSW Police, they need to be identified and rectified immediately, not after a Royal Commission has spent 18 months or more examining the terrorist attack from a legal perspective.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by ElwoodBlues1 -
Quote from: Lods – on
Sussan Ley is embarrassing with some of her appearances in recent days.
 ::)


Not as embarrassing as Albanese, Wong and Burke. The only polly with any credibility has been Chris Minns from NSW imo.
Minns has been prepared to break ALP ranks and call for a Royal Commission along with the Federal Opposition and has been able to negotiate support from NSW opposition leader Kellie Sloane for security and gun control reforms. Albanese and crew have been too busy avoiding responsibility and are more interested in deflecting criticism, accountability and trying to shore up votes by making token disingenuous appearances which have been met with the appropriate response from the Jewish community who can see through them like a sheet of ultra clear glass.