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The Sports Desk / Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread
Last post by LP -Also, how Green topped the IPL auction can only be a confirmation that marketing spin and corruption dominate performance.
Also, how Green topped the IPL auction can only be a confirmation that marketing spin and corruption dominate performance.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by Thryleon -Netanyahu is within rights to steam roll palestine and solve that problem once and for all,Surely nobody, neither side in this dispute and nobody in any dispute, has the right to target facilities or take actions that cause the collateral death of children and infants, either directly or indirectly.
Target military, terrorists and gorillas all you like, but stay away from civilians and children.
In war there are winners and losers.
These days this stuff kicks off, and then state there needs to be a peaceful outcome.
There is no peaceful outcome for the loser unless they assimilate to the invading party.
Let this thing kick off rather than have a bunch of "now now, play nice" and pretend that one side is better than the other. There is no better. Its just two nations at war.
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Blah-Blah Bar / Re: Shawny’s concerns about Victorian and Australian Governments
Last post by LP -Netanyahu is within rights to steam roll palestine and solve that problem once and for all,
Target military, terrorists and gorillas all you like, but stay away from civilians and children.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by Lods -
I don't control your posting.
But it's all pretty futile
You're not going to change my mind
I'm not going to change yours
I think we've both exhausted any arguments.
We seem to go over the same points over and over....across a number of threads
I'm not convinced by any of your arguments, although I can see the points you're trying to make.
I just don't agree with them.
I just see them as worst case....with little regard given to the issues that have impacted the club's performance the last two years.
You're obviously not convinced by any of mine.
You think we'll be worse
I think we'll be the same or better
Injuries will play a part.
Depth will play a part.
Luck will play a part.
Development of young players will play a part.
How we cover our losses will play a part.
How the new players gel will play a part.
Off field issues may play a part.
There are enough variables there that either one of us could end up right.
So it's over to the players to determine the outcome.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by kruddler -Hang on!
You can't have it both ways.
You can't say 2023 is SOS's team and then in the next breath say Austin has had six years.
The only one moving goal posts around is your good self.
All list managers build on their predecessors list to some extent.
Cripps and Docherty were part of that for Silvagni so was Ed Curnow
You can't just dismiss the players that Austin added for 2023.
And the real fruits of Austin's tenure are yet to hit their peak.
lol.....i'm trying to follow YOUR rules and you won't let me.
If i'm trying to follow my rules, you wont let me.
Why am i not surprised.
Current list management team is infallable. Now i see the light.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by Thryleon -
So are you saying our list manager had built a side capable of winning a flag
Potentially....but our previous one...
They all had nothing to do with sos.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by Lods -You can't have it both ways.
You can't say 2023 is SOS's team and then in the next breath say Austin has had six years.
The only one moving goal posts around is your good self.
All list managers build on their predecessors list to some extent.
Cripps and Docherty were part of that for Silvagni so was Ed Curnow
You can't just dismiss the players that Austin added for 2023.
And the real fruits of Austin's tenure are yet to hit their peak.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by kruddler -
Potentially....but our previous one...
...was long gone.
The list position we found ourselves in was a combination of the efforts of both.
You can't have one without the other.
And two injury hit and disrupted seasons later you want the one left gone.
Crash mentioned 2002 but there was another injury hit season in 2014 when many of our best players including Judd and Kreuzer missed big chunks....and Robinson and Garlett went off the rails.
The brains trust at the time decided we needed a rebuild and the incoming list manager cut the list and sent the club into oblivion.
Hang on, we can't judge the current crop for years, but we can give them kudos for piggybacking on the previous guys efforts within a couple years??
Geez these goal posts are moving so often i don't even know which way i'm kicking now!
From a previous list....these players were NOT SOS's from 2023.....
Hewett
Saad
Cerra
Acres
Docherty - Before SOS
Cripps - Before SOS
O. Hollands
Motlop
Jordan Boyd
Cincotta
From that list, 2 are not by either.
1 is already delisted
2 are on the outs (Boyd and Acres)
...and Motlop was rumoured to be on the way out to PA this past trade period (Durdin got booted instead).
So yeah, SOS's team.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by Lods -
So are you saying our list manager had built a side capable of winning a flag
Potentially....but our previous one...
...was long gone.
The list position we found ourselves in was a combination of the efforts of both.
You can't have one without the other.
And two injury hit and disrupted seasons later you want the one left gone.
Crash mentioned 2002 but there was another injury hit season in 2014 when many of our best players including Judd and Kreuzer missed big chunks....and Robinson and Garlett went off the rails.
The brains trust at the time decided we needed a rebuild and the incoming list manager cut the list and sent the club into oblivion.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: List Building - More than one way to skin a cat
Last post by kruddler -
2 sides to every coin.
How well did we do with Charlie doing nothing? Imagine if we get him up to speed and added depth around him, rather than losing depth. Thats not so 'magical' now is it?
Results did worsen, but thats about the playing list rather than the coaching.
Even Docherty said as much post retirement.....thats if you don't want to take my word for it which was well documented at the time as well.
....and one last thing.
The result 'proves' we were brittle?
In case you are unaware, that team that showed how 'brittle' we were, were a goal off having a 3-peat.....and we had them 5 goals down on their home deck early.
Doesn't seem brittle to me. Seems to have been beaten by the best side in the modern game right now
So are you saying our list manager had built a side capable of winning a flag
Potentially....but our previous one...