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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Last post by Shakin77 -
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Were we better last night than round 1?

All the easy teams are gone now the real stuff begins.

I thought we were better last night than round 1.   

Round 1:  Disposal count pretty level and we lost the inside 50 count by 16.
Round 17:  60+ in Disposals.   Inside 50's level.

Round 1 I thought we were very lucky to have won it.   This time I thought we should have been further in front, especially in the 2nd quarter and we would have been very unlucky to lose it.

Both poor performances, however.
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Last post by shawny -
Quote from: madbluboy – on
It will sort itself out now Lods.

All our questions will be answered.

The question has been answered.

Voss was a champion player but never had it as a coach. Apart from one season in his decade of coaching he failed to deliver with the lists he had.  To see first hand the change the minute he left ends the discussion.

Fraser may or may not be the right selection but one thing is for certain Voss wasn't!  
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Last post by shawny -
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: shawny – on


Just marginally better last night - we had to overcome a few things this time had no weitering lost dean late and then Young during the game. umps handled them a few goals very late. Round 1 we only won because Lynch kicked 2-7.

‘All the easy teams are gone’. im assuming you are referring to Ess and Rich only as GWS away Port Away, Geelong and Bulldogs are not easy for a mid teir team.

Ladder and record speaks for itself.

Our record in 2026 vs....

Top 6 teams
0-5

Bottom 4 teams
5-0

Middle 7 teams
3-3

Overall 8-8.

Tell me again about how its all about the coach.

Edited. Fixed error in formula

1-8 Voss

7-0 Fraser

You can spin it all you want but scoreboard doesn't lie
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Robert Heatley Stand / Re: AFL Rd 17 2026 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond
Last post by Lods -
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Quote from: Lods – on


It looks poor.

I get that folks aren't entirely happy with the way things have panned out with regard to the coaching situation.
But it comes across as pretty petty that we're going out of our way to point out the quality of opposition.
It's not a state secret.

We're well aware of who we've beaten, and who we face, and the difficulty in maintaining a winning streak.
If we're crediting Voss with some influence in the 'wins' does that contribution get abandoned if things go pear shaped.
No, it's all part of the journey and progress.

Teams have ebbs and flows through a season.
Injuries sometimes (often) play a part in results.
Had we had Weitering and Dean yesterday the result may have been more clear cut.
By the same token we've probably had a win or two when the opposition have had players out.

The other bit of nonsense is this "Sack coach" rubbish that gets a mention whenever a team gets a run on.
It was funny the first time.
It's ridiculous now.
We were getting runs against us nearly every week
It's happening far less now.

Very few (almost none) of us think we have a flag side.
Even a top 6-8 side.
We're a middle of the road side.
That's reflected in our results.

Most have acknolwedged Voss's contribution...but he has a new job now.
It's time to let it go.
I'd like to see us make finals but I really won't be too distressed if it doesn't happen this year.
We're a bit in limbo without a full time coach.
Game plans and players could be significantly different next year.
But at the moment we're winning games we should win, and picking up a couple we weren't expected to win....why can't we enjoy that while it lasts.
whilst this is true, you cant have your cake and eat it too and those of us who have been saying that the fixture has more to do with the reason behind our turnaround than the coach change can continue to do so irrespective of the scoreboard.

That probably speaks to a rigid thinking on both sides.
Making it about one factor and ignoring others is why we have this back and forth argument.
The fact that we're winning games now and weren't winning them before is probably a bit more complicated than the fixture is easy.
We're a middle of the road team.
At the moment we're beating those around us, and below us.
We will see how we go when we start to play a few teams above us.

You see, the thing is we played a lot of games in the first half of this year where we played dominant football but still didn't get the win.
We were prone to lapses that we seemed unable to reverse.
We should probably have won a few more of those..
But there seems to be this tendency to want to talk us down rather than embracing the fact that we're actually putting wins on the board.

We're not a vastly different side to when we were losing and the fixture probably has a bit to do with that.
We'll probably have a bit of a slump when we drop a couple of games in a row in the next few weeks.
But if nothing else the playing group has learnt what it feels like to win.
That's no longer a foreign feeling.
And for our young players that's something invaluable.
Jagga now knows the difference.
That's something to celebrate...not downplay because of a fixture.