Princes Park => Robert Heatley Stand => Topic started by: kruddler on May 31, 2014, 07:22:44 pm
Poll
Question: Who were your top 3, BEST on ground?
Option 1: 2 - Menzel
votes: 0
Option 2: 3 - Murphy
votes: 22
Option 3: 4 - Gibbs
votes: 0
Option 4: 6 - Simpson
votes: 8
Option 5: 7 - Buckley
votes: 0
Option 6: 11 - Warnock
votes: 3
Option 7: 12 - Robinson
votes: 3
Option 8: 13 - Yarran
votes: 6
Option 9: 14 - McLean
votes: 1
Option 10: 15 - Docherty
votes: 19
Option 11: 17 - Rowe
votes: 1
Option 12: 23 - Henderson
votes: 0
Option 13: 30 - Waite
votes: 0
Option 14: 33 - Everitt
votes: 7
Option 15: 38 - Garlett (starting sub)
votes: 0
Option 16: 39 - Thomas
votes: 1
Option 17: 40 - Jamison
votes: 1
Option 18: 41 - Casboult
votes: 1
Option 19: 42 - Tuohy
votes: 0
Option 20: 43 - White
votes: 2
Option 21: 44 - Carrazzo
votes: 1
Option 22: 46 - Ellard (subbed off)
votes: 0
Title: R11 - BEST on ground vs Lions
Post by: kruddler on May 31, 2014, 07:22:44 pm
Who is worthy of recognition this week?
Title: Re: R10 - BEST on ground vs Lions
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on May 31, 2014, 09:04:08 pm
Clear cut IMO...Murphy, Everitt and Docherty...credit to the skipper he has had a great last 4-5 games and is now sticking up from himself and others. I was critical of him but he has lifted and is playing like a captain and champion player....
Title: Re: R10 - BEST on ground vs Lions
Post by: BeNavy on May 31, 2014, 09:33:33 pm
Clear cut IMO...Murphy, Everitt and Docherty...credit to the skipper he has had a great last 4-5 games and is now sticking up from himself and others. I was critical of him but he has lifted and is playing like a captain and champion player....
Yep. Can't think of anyone else besides maybe Simmo.
Title: Re: R10 - BEST on ground vs Lions
Post by: kruddler on May 31, 2014, 09:41:00 pm
Clear cut IMO...Murphy, Everitt and Docherty...credit to the skipper he has had a great last 4-5 games and is now sticking up from himself and others. I was critical of him but he has lifted and is playing like a captain and champion player....
Yep. Can't think of anyone else besides maybe Simmo.
Yep, i voted Simmo, with Muroh and Doc.
Everitt was close, also thought Yarran was top notch, but his little punch at the end pushed him out.
Title: Re: R10 - BEST on ground vs Lions
Post by: blue4life on May 31, 2014, 10:36:31 pm
Murphy easily then Docherty and Yarran, Simpson and Everitt both good as well.
Title: Re: R10 - BEST on ground vs Lions
Post by: Kipper on May 31, 2014, 11:10:50 pm
Murphy, Simmo and Doc. Everitt was also good again and bad luck for Yarran he was not paid the match saving mark when Brown grabbed his legs.
Title: Re: R10 - BEST on ground vs Lions
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on June 01, 2014, 12:41:54 am
Just looking at Murphy's stats, 36 touches 7 tackles, I really don't know what more a captain needs to do to lift his team. Thing is I could have sworn people had him in their worst? How is that possible?
Title: Re: R10 - BEST on ground vs Lions
Post by: kruddler on June 01, 2014, 08:37:27 am
Just looking at Murphy's stats, 36 touches 7 tackles, I really don't know what more a captain needs to do to lift his team. Thing is I could have sworn people had him in their worst? How is that possible?
People have an agenda.
Just like those who pick Casboult in the best every week.
Title: Re: R10 - BEST on ground vs Lions
Post by: Goat on June 01, 2014, 08:43:33 am
Murphy and Docherty, then after that no one else stands out to me.
Title: Re: R10 - BEST on ground vs Lions
Post by: cimm1979 on June 01, 2014, 11:47:43 am
Just looking at Murphy's stats, 36 touches 7 tackles, I really don't know what more a captain needs to do to lift his team. Thing is I could have sworn people had him in their worst? How is that possible?
People have an agenda.
Just like those who pick Casboult in the best every week.
Or ignore his improvement.
It's an easy game to play and so many people play it.
Title: Re: R10 - BEST on ground vs Lions
Post by: kruddler on June 01, 2014, 12:20:54 pm
Just looking at Murphy's stats, 36 touches 7 tackles, I really don't know what more a captain needs to do to lift his team. Thing is I could have sworn people had him in their worst? How is that possible?
People have an agenda.
Just like those who pick Casboult in the best every week.
Or ignore his improvement.
It's an easy game to play and so many people play it.
I have been a strong critic of Casboult, but am well aware that he is improving.
The problem is, he is not improving in the one area required of him, kicking.
He has improved his tank. He has improved his ruckwork. He has improved his chasing/tackling. He has improved his marking. He has improved his consistency.
He is still the worst kick in the AFL, daylight is second.
He is a FF who can't kick goals. How much use is that?
Title: Re: R10 - BEST on ground vs Lions
Post by: blue4life on June 01, 2014, 12:47:55 pm
It's an easy game to play and so many people play it.
People went on for years about Hampson's improvement and potential, when I ventured the opinion that he was no good and never would be I was accused of hating him and having an agenda. Casboult is way too limited to ever make the grade in my opinion, that he's the best we've got is one of the reasons we are where we are. He's got a turning circle like a Mack truck, he's no good below his knees, he's slow and makes poor decisions and his kicking and general skills are abysmal, but he can mark so in that respect he's ahead of Hampson I guess. If he played for another club Carlton supporters would be calling him a spud, the same goes for a few others.
Title: Re: R10 - BEST on ground vs Lions
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on June 01, 2014, 12:52:50 pm
Casboult is not that bad, as kruddler said, his kicking is the issue. Big men take time he has more improvement in him for sure. I have no doubt whatsoever he would find another club if we ditched him. The Cats are screaming out for another tall forward, he'd slot right in.
Title: Re: R10 - BEST on ground vs Lions
Post by: Thryleon on June 01, 2014, 01:22:46 pm
We forget Casboult Is a rookie. Some national draftees take longer to come on, a rookie is usually more limited than most. We won't see the best of Levi for another 12 - 24 months.
Title: Re: R10 - BEST on ground vs Lions
Post by: blue4life on June 01, 2014, 01:38:18 pm
Casboult is not that bad, as kruddler said, his kicking is the issue. Big men take time he has more improvement in him for sure. I have no doubt whatsoever he would find another club if we ditched him. The Cats are screaming out for another tall forward, he'd slot right in.
The line about big blokes taking time is just an excuse, wishful thinking. Kreuzer played 20 games in his first season, Cox played 17, Riewoldt was a gun from day one, Brown played CHF in a Premiership side at 20 after playing 13 games in his first season, Carey was Captain of North when he was 20, Hawkins almost single handedly won a Grand Final at 23, Casboult is 24 now, averages under 10 touches a game and butchers almost half of them. You're kidding yourself if you reckon he'd get a game at Geelong PI2C.
Title: Re: R10 - BEST on ground vs Lions
Post by: blue4life on June 01, 2014, 01:38:51 pm
We forget Casboult Is a rookie. Some national draftees take longer to come on, a rookie is usually more limited than most. We won't see the best of Levi for another 12 - 24 months.
So was Dean Cox.
Title: Re: R10 - BEST on ground vs Lions
Post by: Thryleon on June 01, 2014, 01:42:33 pm
Aaron Black, Sam Reid, Lachie Henderson and various others say that more take longer than come on instantly.
Title: Re: R10 - BEST on ground vs Lions
Post by: cimm1979 on June 01, 2014, 01:46:01 pm
Just looking at Murphy's stats, 36 touches 7 tackles, I really don't know what more a captain needs to do to lift his team. Thing is I could have sworn people had him in their worst? How is that possible?
People have an agenda.
Just like those who pick Casboult in the best every week.
Or ignore his improvement.
It's an easy game to play and so many people play it.
I have been a strong critic of Casboult, but am well aware that he is improving.
The problem is, he is not improving in the one area required of him, kicking.
He has improved his tank. He has improved his ruckwork. He has improved his chasing/tackling. He has improved his marking. He has improved his consistency.
He is still the worst kick in the AFL, daylight is second.
He is a FF who can't kick goals. How much use is that?
I reckon even someone with your blinkers would see how far up the ground he's playing and the role he's playing.
His kicking has improved.
I don't know if he's a long term prospect but Dermie is a fan of his play and, as much as he sh1ts me, Dermie is a very good judge of forwards.
I'll give MM some credit here, he's given Casboult (ergo us) some currency.
If we got 27 for Hampson we may even get better for Casboult.
Casboult is easily a better player than Hampson.
Title: Re: R10 - BEST on ground vs Lions
Post by: blue4life on June 01, 2014, 01:48:34 pm
I reckon Freo are a monty to make an offer and they may have some things we need.
Title: Re: R10 - BEST on ground vs Lions
Post by: LanceRomance on June 01, 2014, 01:55:37 pm
Docherty was pretty damned good.
Title: Re: R10 - BEST on ground vs Lions
Post by: LP on June 01, 2014, 02:29:46 pm
Murphy, Docherty and White for me.
Murphy; Not sure what else Murphy can do to win over fans, possessions, clearances, tackles and selfless play. It is not his fault he kicked to 200cm blokes who couldn't mark against medium defenders. After West left the ground we had clear height advantage all over the ground and failed to capitalise.
Docherty; One of a handful who played 4 quarters of football, never stopped trying, first class repeat efforts and efficient ball use.
White; Probably his best game for the club, was one of only a couple to stand tall in the first quarter and a bit and kept up that intensity for 4 quarters.
Title: Re: R10 - BEST on ground vs Lions
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on June 01, 2014, 02:32:57 pm
Casboult is not that bad, as kruddler said, his kicking is the issue. Big men take time he has more improvement in him for sure. I have no doubt whatsoever he would find another club if we ditched him. The Cats are screaming out for another tall forward, he'd slot right in.
The line about big blokes taking time is just an excuse, wishful thinking. Kreuzer played 20 games in his first season, Cox played 17, Riewoldt was a gun from day one, Brown played CHF in a Premiership side at 20 after playing 13 games in his first season, Carey was Captain of North when he was 20, Hawkins almost single handedly won a Grand Final at 23, Casboult is 24 now, averages under 10 touches a game and butchers almost half of them.
Funny that you've selected superstars of the game lmao. For everyone one of them I reckon there'd be two that take their time.
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You're kidding yourself if you reckon he'd get a game at Geelong PI2C.
Would slot straight in up forward.
Title: Re: R10 - BEST on ground vs Lions
Post by: LP on June 01, 2014, 02:38:57 pm
Just bizarre this forum, I had been keel-hauled for bagging Casboult when he played spud games but last night he did OK yet doesn't get a vote to this moment.
It's like nuffas must be watching the forum ready to defend their hero, but if he doesn't get bagged they don't vote!
Last night we did far better in the stoppages and clearances when Casboult rucked than when Warnock was in there. Casboult has some size and presence when the ball hits the deck, versus Warnock who holds his deck! ;)
Title: Re: R10 - BEST on ground vs Lions
Post by: Juddkreuzer on June 01, 2014, 02:39:56 pm
He'll build his tank up but I don't think he will have a massive tank like walker.
It's good he has a player like Daisy around to teach the ways.
It will be two or three pre-seasons before that question can be answered.
Some players get drafted because they are elite runners, they have a tank from day one but often that is all they have.
Other blokes get drafted because they are elite footballers, and their fitness builds as they get into their career. Menzel is in this second category. ;)
Title: Re: R10 - BEST on ground vs Lions
Post by: blue4life on June 01, 2014, 02:53:54 pm
Just bizarre this forum, I had been keel-hauled for bagging Casboult when he played spud games but last night he did OK yet doesn't get a vote to this moment.
It's like nuffas must be watching the forum ready to defend their hero, but if he doesn't get bagged they don't vote!
Last night we did far better in the stoppages and clearances when Casboult rucked than when Warnock was in there. Casboult has some size and presence when the ball hits the deck, versus Warnock who holds his deck! ;)
Not our worst last night but selected as a key forward and failed to hit the score board, 12 hit outs to Warnock's 57 suggests he didn't spend a lot of time in the ruck. 7 games this year for 3 goals.
Title: Re: R10 - BEST on ground vs Lions
Post by: kruddler on June 01, 2014, 03:28:47 pm
Just looking at Murphy's stats, 36 touches 7 tackles, I really don't know what more a captain needs to do to lift his team. Thing is I could have sworn people had him in their worst? How is that possible?
People have an agenda.
Just like those who pick Casboult in the best every week.
Or ignore his improvement.
It's an easy game to play and so many people play it.
I have been a strong critic of Casboult, but am well aware that he is improving.
The problem is, he is not improving in the one area required of him, kicking.
He has improved his tank. He has improved his ruckwork. He has improved his chasing/tackling. He has improved his marking. He has improved his consistency.
He is still the worst kick in the AFL, daylight is second.
He is a FF who can't kick goals. How much use is that?
I reckon even someone with your blinkers would see how far up the ground he's playing and the role he's playing.
His kicking has improved.
I don't know if he's a long term prospect but Dermie is a fan of his play and, as much as he sh1ts me, Dermie is a very good judge of forwards.
I'll give MM some credit here, he's given Casboult (ergo us) some currency.
If we got 27 for Hampson we may even get better for Casboult.
Casboult is easily a better player than Hampson.
His kicking has improved, marginally, and he is STILL the worst kick in the AFL.
Everyone remember how bad of a kick James Manson was? Well watch this video, he has a kick at goal at about 15secs in. Pay attention to the awkward, high ball drop. Looks a lot like Casboult. [flash=420,315]https://www.youtube.com/v/BwDKwa9goOU&feature=kp[/flash]
Now that you've seen that, and had a laugh... James Manson - 167 games, 126 goal, 87 behinds - 59% conversion rate Levi Casboult - 24 games, 17 goals, 25 behinds - 40% conversion rate.
That doesn't include shots on goal that went out on the full either. :o
Title: Re: R10 - BEST on ground vs Lions
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on June 01, 2014, 05:02:54 pm
I reckon Casboult has more technique than Manson though.
Title: Re: R10 - BEST on ground vs Lions
Post by: kruddler on June 01, 2014, 05:09:58 pm