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Title: Northern Blues vs. Richmond at Richmond on Sat
Post by: crashlander on June 12, 2014, 08:10:02 pm
Richmond vs. Northern Blues
Saturday 14th June
ME Bank Centre at 11:00am
Richmond
B Williams Darrou Banfield
HB Helbig Waite O'Hanlon
C Gordon McDONOUGH Young
HF Lloyd Griffiths Arnot
 F McBean Elton Bathie
R Stephenson Batsanis Davey
Int Wynne Barlow Gleeson* L. Conca Schibeci Collins Wall McQualter McGough

Northern Blues

B: Wilkinson M. Watson Holman
HB: T. Thomas McInnes Sheehan
C: Lucas Graham Reynolds
HF: Dufficy Anthony B. Johnson
F: Garlett Bolger Wilson
R: Wood Cachia Cattapan
Int: Coulson Perry* Temay Dirago Byrne Totevski Murray D. Watson Taglieri

Playing at Richmond will be something of a change. Our team is still looking thin on the forward half: not a key forward to be seen.  :(
Looking at this team, I'd say Tom Temay is not going to be with us next year: named on an extended bench when we have a lot of injuries and 3 guys gone from the list. However, hope springs eternal.

Port Melbourne vs. Northern Blues
Sunday 15th June
North Port Oval at 11:00am

Port Melbourne
B: Plant Dickson Macmillan
HB: Lange Sandilands Woodley
C: Hayes Thornton Pantic
HF: Connors Clarke S. O'Sullivan
F: Hogan Whelan Pearson
R: C. Prowse Muling McKenzie
Int: Vearing Perry Henderson T. Johnston Raru Neal N. Prowse Anderson Knowles

Northern Blues
B: Grimes M. Gleeson D. Watson
HB: McDonald Dirago Emley
C: Posar McCann H. Curnow
HF: Temay Walton Murray
F: Dorman Haynes Totevski
R: Coulson J. Gleeson Taglieri
Int: M. Johnson Tardio Dowse Sutton Gilbert Jenkins K. Roberts Callaway Toman

Note the Byrne is on the bench for the Northern 1's, but not named here: he is playing senior footy. Tom Temay?
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Richmond at Richmond on Sat
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 12, 2014, 08:15:34 pm
Crash....I think you are right about Tom Temay ,and the man who selected him will both be non particpants at the Carlton football club next season...
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Richmond at Richmond on Sat
Post by: crashlander on June 13, 2014, 08:57:00 am
Nobody gets them right 100% of the time, but we had only a couple of picks from that cohort.

I hope he can turn it around, but time is running out.

On the other hand, the Irish guys seem to be going along quite nicely.

With our personnel issues at the moment, the Blues are looking a little thin. However, some of the VFL guys are showing a bit. Sheik's guy, Cattapan, looks to have a decent VFL future, as does Wilson. What they lack in size they more than make up for with heart.
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Richmond at Richmond on Sat
Post by: Baggers on June 13, 2014, 09:34:49 am
Be kind of novel catching the NBs game at Punt Road tomorrow morning at 11.

If anyone else is heading down and want to catch up for a chin wag at the game, just PM me.

Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Richmond at Richmond on Sat
Post by: crashlander on June 14, 2014, 02:02:25 pm
Blues win down at Richmond. After leading by 40 points at one stage, the Blues held on and finished the better to win by 7 points with an extremely undermanned side. Remember, it lost Nick Graham (which means at least 30 possessions) and Matthew Watson from an already depleted side.

Richmond Tigers   1.4  2.6  7.12  11.14.80
Northern Blues   4.3  7.11  9.12  12.15.87

GOALS: Johnson 3, Wilson 2, Totevski 2, Thomas 2, Taglieri, Temay, Dufficy
Don't know if Johnson did much, but he did kick 3 clutch goals.

DISPOSALS: Cachia 29, Cattapan 22, Lucas 22, McInnes 17, Thomas 16

Looks like another big effort from Cachia, who must be close to a senior game. he has been getting 25 - 35 possession each week.
Lucas having 22 suggests he did OK, as does 17 for McInnes. However, we'll have to wait for Baggers to give us a first hand picture when he has recovered from celebrating the win. Any other reports always gratefully accepted.
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Richmond at Richmond on Sat
Post by: bignic on June 14, 2014, 03:01:41 pm
Looks like Geoffy did zero. Trade bait for sure.
And after last nights performance, I'd say not having Watson was a bonus!!!
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Richmond at Richmond on Sat
Post by: crashlander on June 14, 2014, 04:20:30 pm
Can't tell much at this stage, but I did read on twitter that Garlett did some pretty good defensive work. However, you are right, he did not kick a goal and didn't have a huge number of possessions. That puts him under pressure.
Hopefully Baggers and whoever else was there can inform us of how he really did.
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Richmond at Richmond on Sat
Post by: crashlander on June 14, 2014, 04:22:16 pm
2014 Peter Jackson VFL
Richmond Tigers   1.4  2.6  7.12  11.14 (80)
Northern Blues   4.3  7.11  9.12  12.15 (87)

GOALS:
Richmond Tigers: McBean 3 Williams 2 O'Hanlon 2 Lloyd 2 Bathie  Arnot
Northern Blues: Thomas 3 Johnson 3 Totevski 2 Byrne  Dufficy  Wilson  Taglieri

BEST:
Richmond Tigers: Young Arnot Batsanis Wynne Lloyd O'Hanlon
Northern Blues: Johnson McInnes Thomas Dirago Cachia Lucas
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Richmond at Richmond on Sat
Post by: kruddler on June 14, 2014, 05:07:38 pm
2014 Peter Jackson VFL
Richmond Tigers   1.4  2.6  7.12  11.14 (80)
Northern Blues   4.3  7.11  9.12  12.15 (87)

GOALS:
Richmond Tigers: McBean 3 Williams 2 O'Hanlon 2 Lloyd 2 Bathie  Arnot
Northern Blues: Thomas 3 Johnson 3 Totevski 2 Byrne  Dufficy  Wilson  Taglieri

BEST:
Richmond Tigers: Young Arnot Batsanis Wynne Lloyd O'Hanlon
Northern Blues: Johnson McInnes Thomas Dirago Cachia Lucas

Either someone had a cut/paste issue or the games were remarkably similar.  :o
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Richmond at Richmond on Sat
Post by: Baggers on June 14, 2014, 05:45:11 pm
Can't tell much at this stage, but I did read on twitter that Garlett did some pretty good defensive work. However, you are right, he did not kick a goal and didn't have a huge number of possessions. That puts him under pressure.
Hopefully Baggers and whoever else was there can inform us of how he really did.

Unfortunately, knocked over by the dreaded lurgy today, so didn't make it to Punt Road... damn. Seems Johnson is continuing to improve. Must have been released from the backline to on-ball or forward. Now, back to the lemon juice, vit c and honey... and maybe a brandy or two  :)
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Richmond at Richmond on Sat
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 14, 2014, 06:23:08 pm
Johnson to debut next week I reckon.....
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Richmond at Richmond on Sat
Post by: crashlander on June 14, 2014, 07:15:11 pm
Can't tell much at this stage, but I did read on twitter that Garlett did some pretty good defensive work. However, you are right, he did not kick a goal and didn't have a huge number of possessions. That puts him under pressure.
Hopefully Baggers and whoever else was there can inform us of how he really did.

Unfortunately, knocked over by the dreaded lurgy today, so didn't make it to Punt Road... damn. Seems Johnson is continuing to improve. Must have been released from the backline to on-ball or forward. Now, back to the lemon juice, vit c and honey... and maybe a brandy or two  :)
Hope you're feeling well soon.  ;)
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Richmond at Richmond on Sat
Post by: crashlander on June 15, 2014, 02:27:11 pm
I read on BF that Jack Anthony did play either. Makes me wonder how many talls we had at all. It also makes the win even more meritorious given the total lack of height on the field.
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Richmond at Richmond on Sat
Post by: ianh on June 15, 2014, 04:00:21 pm
Yep Jack Anthony was a late withdrawal left the team ridiculously small.  Jeffy G played a lot up the ground which explains to a point his lack of impact on the scoreboard, but on the other hand doesn't put his relatively small number of possessions in a good light.  Did miss a couple and set Johnson goal up with a beautiful pass but overall not a performance that would have him knocking on the door.  Cachia was again very good and his recent form must have him pressing for a shot.  Not sure he is an AFL quality player but I reckon he deserves a decent run of games to show his wares.  Problem is he is another slowish midfielder and we can't run too many of them.  I think he needs McLean to be out before he can get a run, certainly if Graham is in the team.  Other bright lights were Johnson who deserves a go at some time by years end and I wouldn't object if it were next week, Lucas whose papers may be stamped but is showing decent seconds form and McInnes who has been unimpressive of late but looked more like his old self.
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Richmond at Richmond on Sat
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 15, 2014, 04:05:45 pm
How bizarre is our predicament? Hawthorn have Rioli who probably outputs the same as Jeffy (and I challenge anyone who disagrees to go to somewhere like Footywire and compare them statically) yet they can afford to carry the little oxygen thief and we cant.
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Richmond at Richmond on Sat
Post by: madbluboy on June 15, 2014, 04:20:51 pm
How bizarre is our predicament? Hawthorn have Rioli who probably outputs the same as Jeffy (and I challenge anyone who disagrees to go to somewhere like Footywire and compare them statically) yet they can afford to carry the little oxygen thief and we cant.

If garlett did what Rioli did he wouldn't be playing VFL every second week. Seriously I wonder if people here actually watch the sport some time.
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Richmond at Richmond on Sat
Post by: LygonStreetLimbo on June 15, 2014, 05:30:10 pm
"Gointo.." is probably, like most Blues supporters, relatively unimpressed with Rioli because AJ consistently kept him goal-less over the past few seasons! AJ couldn't cement a spot in the team, but by joves, he had Rioli's measure!
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Richmond at Richmond on Sat
Post by: crashlander on June 15, 2014, 05:47:54 pm
Yep Jack Anthony was a late withdrawal left the team ridiculously small.  Jeffy G played a lot up the ground which explains to a point his lack of impact on the scoreboard, but on the other hand doesn't put his relatively small number of possessions in a good light.  Did miss a couple and set Johnson goal up with a beautiful pass but overall not a performance that would have him knocking on the door.  Cachia was again very good and his recent form must have him pressing for a shot.  Not sure he is an AFL quality player but I reckon he deserves a decent run of games to show his wares.  Problem is he is another slowish midfielder and we can't run too many of them.  I think he needs McLean to be out before he can get a run, certainly if Graham is in the team.  Other bright lights were Johnson who deserves a go at some time by years end and I wouldn't object if it were next week, Lucas whose papers may be stamped but is showing decent seconds form and McInnes who has been unimpressive of late but looked more like his old self.
Thanks for the insight, Ian. Hopefully the Prince can find some form soon - we do need him, especially with Betts no longer there.
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Richmond at Richmond on Sat
Post by: crashlander on June 15, 2014, 05:54:14 pm
"Gointo.." is probably, like most Blues supporters, relatively unimpressed with Rioli because AJ consistently kept him goal-less over the past few seasons! AJ couldn't cement a spot in the team, but by joves, he had Rioli's measure!
I have to agree. Rioli is one of the most overrated players to play the game. Yes, he is quick and skilled, but he couldn't pick up a man to save his life.
The player to keep him down is a quick guy who is willing to play close and sacrifice his game if necessary. That is AJ in one. At the moment, most of our smaller defenders tend to run off guys and are not so tight: nothing wrong with them as players, but they don't suit Rioli. Rioli makes assumptions about what is going to happen to the ball, usually that opponents will turn it over and kick it near him on the rebound. Works well with a team like Hawthorn, as their midfield pressure does cause turnovers. He runs forward of the ball and gets a lot of the ball on his own. A man who plays him 1 on 1 and can match him for pace has him covered every time.
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Richmond at Richmond on Sat
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 15, 2014, 06:15:44 pm
"Gointo.." is probably, like most Blues supporters, relatively unimpressed with Rioli because AJ consistently kept him goal-less over the past few seasons! AJ couldn't cement a spot in the team, but by joves, he had Rioli's measure!
I have to agree. Rioli is one of the most overrated players to play the game. Yes, he is quick and skilled, but he couldn't pick up a man to save his life.
The player to keep him down is a quick guy who is willing to play close and sacrifice his game if necessary. That is AJ in one. At the moment, most of our smaller defenders tend to run off guys and are not so tight: nothing wrong with them as players, but they don't suit Rioli. Rioli makes assumptions about what is going to happen to the ball, usually that opponents will turn it over and kick it near him on the rebound. Works well with a team like Hawthorn, as their midfield pressure does cause turnovers. He runs forward of the ball and gets a lot of the ball on his own. A man who plays him 1 on 1 and can match him for pace has him covered every time.
Spot on LSL and Crash, I wonder if people here actually watch the sport some time.
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Richmond at Richmond on Sat
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 15, 2014, 06:22:56 pm
I'd be happy with Rioli in my team....dont expect him to pick anyone up...just kick goals and create for others...
Craig Bradley never picked anyone up in his life but when you are as damaging as he was like Rioli it doesnt matter....

Eddie Betts doesnt play much " D" either but I wouldnt mind him back

Rioli is all class IMO and Garlett is too spasmodic...never seen Rioli pull out of contests either.....

Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Richmond at Richmond on Sat
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 15, 2014, 06:30:07 pm
I'd be happy with Rioli in my team....dont expect him to pick anyone up...just kick goals and create for others...
Craig Bradley never picked anyone up in his life but when you are as damaging as he was like Rioli it doesnt matter....

Eddie Betts doesnt play much " D" either but I wouldnt mind him back

Rioli is all class IMO and Garlett is too spasmodic...never seen Rioli pull out of contests either.....
Each to their own. What I am saying is his performances don't match the hype benefitted to him. He has plenty of tricks, not saying that. So does Jeffy, the same amount but without the hype. If Rioli wasn't in such a good side, I reckon the hype would be much much less, more like Jeffy's.
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Richmond at Richmond on Sat
Post by: cimm1979 on June 15, 2014, 06:33:49 pm
I started the Betts V Rioli thread a couple of years ago and, in terms of output, there is no comparison of the two. Betts as killed him EVERY SINGLE YEAR THEY HAVE BOTH PLAYED IN THE SAME COMP.

Now he's at Adelaide Bett's might get a bit more recognition, but Rioli will get more because of the Hard work of the rest of the Hawks team.

Rioli's a special talent and can be unbeatable on his day, but gets accolades he hasn't earned.

It comes down to the side you play in. The Motlop who plays for the Cats is not as good as the Motlop who played for Port and Kangas, but they talk about him as a match winner. He isn't the match winner, the rest of the team makes him the match winner. Varcoe the same.

Another example. Commentators ejaculating over Brad Hills performances.

Brad Hill is a very very good player, great runner, good pace, not a bad tackler from behind but he has the EASIEST gig in football.

The opposition coaches put the clamps on the rest of the Hawks runners leaving hill free. He goes missing when it gets hot and has no defensive game. He can't tackle from front on, sticks one arm in packs etc etc.

Put Chris Yarran Brad Hills role at the Hawks and he'd have Bwuce in raptures. Brads brother Stephen is twice the footballer Brad is, Stephen copped two years of tags but now he's at the point that he's almost untaggable.



Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Richmond at Richmond on Sat
Post by: PassIt2Carrots on June 15, 2014, 08:00:59 pm
I agree it's much easier for these smaller and skillful types with explosive speed to perform in the stronger sides.
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Richmond at Richmond on Sat
Post by: LP on June 15, 2014, 08:15:29 pm
Rioli gets a good chunk of his possessions by performing chicken wing tackles that Judd would get weeks for!
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Richmond at Richmond on Sat
Post by: Jofo on June 15, 2014, 09:27:11 pm
Rioli gets a good chunk of his possessions by performing chicken wing tackles that Judd would get weeks for!

Rioli is a little sniper.
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Richmond at Richmond on Sat
Post by: Baggers on June 15, 2014, 09:41:51 pm
Can't tell much at this stage, but I did read on twitter that Garlett did some pretty good defensive work. However, you are right, he did not kick a goal and didn't have a huge number of possessions. That puts him under pressure.
Hopefully Baggers and whoever else was there can inform us of how he really did.

Unfortunately, knocked over by the dreaded lurgy today, so didn't make it to Punt Road... damn. Seems Johnson is continuing to improve. Must have been released from the backline to on-ball or forward. Now, back to the lemon juice, vit c and honey... and maybe a brandy or two  :)
Hope you're feeling well soon.  ;)

Thank you, Captain.
Title: Re: Northern Blues vs. Richmond at Richmond on Sat
Post by: Baggers on June 15, 2014, 09:46:34 pm
I'd be happy with Rioli in my team....dont expect him to pick anyone up...just kick goals and create for others...
Craig Bradley never picked anyone up in his life but when you are as damaging as he was like Rioli it doesnt matter....

Eddie Betts doesnt play much " D" either but I wouldnt mind him back

Rioli is all class IMO and Garlett is too spasmodic...never seen Rioli pull out of contests either.....

There you have it. Nothing more needs be said in the comparison.

I wonder when the umps will wake up to Cyril's chicken wing tackles... the doyen of the 'one arm grab!'.