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Princes Park => Robert Heatley Stand => Topic started by: LordLucifer on October 23, 2014, 12:36:46 pm

Title: Onfield Leaders - Do We Have Them Now ??
Post by: LordLucifer on October 23, 2014, 12:36:46 pm
We have delisted or lost players via FA who may have had some hand in the leadership stakes and with an all-new & revamped list, one with a lot of younger guys, I'm somewhat concerned about the quality & depth of leadership we have at the club right now.

I'm not a fan at all of this invogue "leadership group" concept, in fact I think it's a complete & utter wank. I prefer three people in that group - captain, vice-captain & deputy vice-captain.

With Judd entering his last season of footy and having passed on the captaincy to Marc Murphy, where is our leadership going to come from in the future ?? 
Title: Re: Onfield Leaders - Do We Have Them Now ??
Post by: Thryleon on October 23, 2014, 12:46:51 pm
Bryce Gibbs and Henderson are probably the next tier of leaders at the club.

Beyond that Daisy Thomas, but he is an elder statesman himself, but if you were to have a "group" Thomas would be part of it, along with the aforementioned.
Title: Re: Onfield Leaders - Do We Have Them Now ??
Post by: nathbear on October 23, 2014, 12:49:34 pm
Our leaders, aged 24-27, are hardly old at this stage so we should be concentrating on solidifying their skills in this area. Murphy, Gibbs, Henderson, Thomas are those leaders.

When we draft now, we should be looking for leadership qualities in the people we bring in so that we can create the next generation coming through.

That is where the gaps lay.
Title: Re: Onfield Leaders - Do We Have Them Now ??
Post by: madbluboy on October 23, 2014, 12:50:38 pm
We have delisted or lost players via FA who may have had some hand in the leadership stakes

Who?
Title: Re: Onfield Leaders - Do We Have Them Now ??
Post by: LordLucifer on October 23, 2014, 01:22:27 pm
We have delisted or lost players via FA who may have had some hand in the leadership stakes

Who?

McLean & Waite.
Title: Re: Onfield Leaders - Do We Have Them Now ??
Post by: shadesy on October 23, 2014, 01:28:13 pm
Scotland as well.
Title: Re: Onfield Leaders - Do We Have Them Now ??
Post by: MosquitoFleet on October 23, 2014, 01:38:20 pm
Henderson should be the Captain now IMO

We have too many quiet introverted types- Gibbs Murphy and Kruezer

Its a real problem

Title: Re: Onfield Leaders - Do We Have Them Now ??
Post by: Gointocarlton on October 23, 2014, 01:40:41 pm
We have delisted or lost players via FA who may have had some hand in the leadership stakes and with an all-new & revamped list, one with a lot of younger guys, I'm somewhat concerned about the quality & depth of leadership we have at the club right now.

I'm not a fan at all of this invogue "leadership group" concept, in fact I think it's a complete & utter wank. I prefer three people in that group - captain, vice-captain & deputy vice-captain.

With Judd entering his last season of footy and having passed on the captaincy to Marc Murphy, where is our leadership going to come from in the future ??
last year we drafted Cri[[s, Holeman and Giles. They were all Captains of their Clubs at U18's (pretty sure thats correct). If so, there has to be some leadership material amongst that lot.
Title: Re: Onfield Leaders - Do We Have Them Now ??
Post by: Gointocarlton on October 23, 2014, 01:43:04 pm
Henderson should be the Captain now IMO

We have too many quiet introverted types- Gibbs Murphy and Kruezer

Its a real problem
Have you ever spoken to/met Hendo? He makes Murph look like Fev.
Title: Re: Onfield Leaders - Do We Have Them Now ??
Post by: cookie2 on October 23, 2014, 01:47:20 pm
IMO there is NO WAY that Murph will not captain the club in 2015, end of story.
Title: Re: Onfield Leaders - Do We Have Them Now ??
Post by: MosquitoFleet on October 23, 2014, 01:56:55 pm
Henderson should be the Captain now IMO

We have too many quiet introverted types- Gibbs Murphy and Kruezer

Its a real problem
Have you ever spoken to/met Hendo? He makes Murph look like Fev.

No .
I prefer bigger blokes as captains. ...
Title: Re: Onfield Leaders - Do We Have Them Now ??
Post by: Gointocarlton on October 23, 2014, 02:11:05 pm
Henderson should be the Captain now IMO

We have too many quiet introverted types- Gibbs Murphy and Kruezer

Its a real problem
Have you ever spoken to/met Hendo? He makes Murph look like Fev.

No .
I prefer bigger blokes as captains. ...
I prefer leaders, whether they are 200cm or 150cm is of no consequence to me.
Title: Re: Onfield Leaders - Do We Have Them Now ??
Post by: ItsOurTime on October 23, 2014, 02:12:03 pm
Henderson should be the Captain now IMO

We have too many quiet introverted types- Gibbs Murphy and Kruezer

Its a real problem
Have you ever spoken to/met Hendo? He makes Murph look like Fev.

No .
I prefer bigger blokes as captains. ...

Can't just give it to him because he's big... Needs a go at the leadership group for a bit at least.
Title: Re: Onfield Leaders - Do We Have Them Now ??
Post by: nathbear on October 23, 2014, 04:06:45 pm
We have delisted or lost players via FA who may have had some hand in the leadership stakes and with an all-new & revamped list, one with a lot of younger guys, I'm somewhat concerned about the quality & depth of leadership we have at the club right now.

I'm not a fan at all of this invogue "leadership group" concept, in fact I think it's a complete & utter wank. I prefer three people in that group - captain, vice-captain & deputy vice-captain.

With Judd entering his last season of footy and having passed on the captaincy to Marc Murphy, where is our leadership going to come from in the future ??
last year we drafted Cri[[s, Holeman and Giles. They were all Captains of their Clubs at U18's (pretty sure thats correct). If so, there has to be some leadership material amongst that lot.

If that's the case, then that's great news. It shows the club recognises the need for young leaders to come through and compliment our current crew.
Title: Re: Onfield Leaders - Do We Have Them Now ??
Post by: Baggers on October 23, 2014, 04:19:11 pm
We have delisted or lost players via FA who may have had some hand in the leadership stakes

Who?

McLean & Waite.

McLean? Yes... showed it in our last game against cheats.com.au  Waite? Nuh. Never was and never will be a leader.

McLean and Scotland are the only two on-field leaders we have lost this year.

Natural progression will see some blokes continue to improve their leadership skills and some emerge.

I would expect sustained leadership from Juddy, Simmo, Jammo and Carrots.

I would expect further (and exciting) leadership improvement from Murphy, Gibbs, Henderson, Menzel, Yazz and Daisy.

I would expect / hope to see the emergence of leadership in blokes such as Everitt, Graham, Rowe and Docherty.
Title: Re: Onfield Leaders - Do We Have Them Now ??
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on October 23, 2014, 09:00:26 pm
Sticks, Fitzy, Nicholls....there is a precedence for taller skippers who are winners and Mossie has a point...

Sam Rowe is a leader IMO...brave on and off the field, works hard, sticks up for his mates......wouldnt mind S Rowe in the leadership group and being a VC to Murphy...the latter was brave last season, tried to set the example which is hard when you are a little bloke and I admire the way he stood up to the early criticsm from the media and supporters(me included).

Henderson doesnt strike me as captain material......I think the next captain might be P. Cripps when he establishes himself as a regular and K.Jaksch is another who has the presence to team with Cripps and be his right hand man and lead the club to bigger and better things...
Title: Re: Onfield Leaders - Do We Have Them Now ??
Post by: Mantis on October 23, 2014, 09:09:09 pm
I agree with Rowe. I would put him in the leadership group and make him VC. Let him know how important he is to the playing group. Leading from defence as Maxwell for the Pies. I think he is better than Maxwell was by the way.
Title: Re: Onfield Leaders - Do We Have Them Now ??
Post by: cimm1979 on October 23, 2014, 09:12:33 pm
I reckon the clean out of recent times is to weed out the weak of mind and fortitude.

From all reports Cripps is a strong leader, Graham a beast of a trainer, Whiley ditto and KJ an extrovert..

I think Ellard and Armfield got kept because of their work ethic and they are courageous.

Daisy was brought in for similar reasons and Docherty seems to like taking responsibility, even though he shanks a couple late in games, at least he WANTS the footy.

All in all, I'd say our on-field leadership is much better than it has been for sometime.

Title: Re: Onfield Leaders - Do We Have Them Now ??
Post by: Professer E on October 23, 2014, 09:12:40 pm
Gees, gone early on Jaksch EB... though agree with you on Cripps... he dragged the NBs over the line in at least one game off his own bat and appears a natural leader.