Sunday June 28, Etihad Stadium
3.20 pm.
I'm sure most of us must be feeling at least a little confident that we can win this, making it 2 in a row.
SSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
I'm going, taking my eldest to his first game of AFL and it will be my first Carlton game since the 2013 Elimination Final. Really looking forward to it fingers crossed for a big win.
Might just see who the ins and outs are this week for both teams...Ablett due back will make it a lot harder...
We also get to see he VFL again as a curtain raiser. I think that is excellent.
Might be without Gibbs and Murphy. Makes for an exciting young midfield........Boekhurst and Walsh in??
danger Game! Lol.
Seriously speaking, we are playing high on emotion, and still quite untidy.
Competitive and genuine hardness is appearing which is positive but if we are going to rely on pressuring our opposition to create our scoring opportunities it won't last.
Ablett back will build their belief. If we fall short with Murphy and Gibbs, we have no senior leaders left. besides Simpson, Carrazzo and Henderson. Not enough in the middle of the ground. Bell and Cripps will need to tear up the middle with Curnow and Graham. This might come close to one of the most in-experienced sides we have had for a long time. It is a danger game if we are too cocky with expectations. I am sure Barker will pull the players into reality really quick. Have to see our final list to get a better gauge on what might unfold.
Suns by 57.
Worked last week.
Just get Gibbs to tackle him. If he plays that is
So its The Weitering Cup!!
Ablett back doesn't worry me.The guy hasn't played in 10 weeks.
Reckon if we play like we have the past 2 games, we'll win easily.
However, the Carlton ve grown to know over the past 15 years always drops these types of games.
Suns by 15 pts.
Agree. Even for a champ like Ablett, given his age and his battered body, 10 weeks is a long time. Plus given the injuries and culture issues at the Suns, he will try and do it all himself, which will only make it worse.
Gibbs offered 2 weeks for the tackle on Gray.
They won't play Ablett this week, RingaDingDing or Crippa would be dumping him half a dozen times a quarter!
Nowayz wez da tacklin fools!
Ablett is under pressure to resume and has unofficially being labelled a sook for not being able to play with injury...it will either be he is no good and wants to show he is really injured or he will come to play and probably flog us....dont see any inbetween IMO..
Ablett = Judd
Could have 12 months off and will return with quality possessions, nothing surer...
If Ablett comes back he will be right to go, and will be very dangerous. According to the GCS website, they could also regain Harley Bennell, Greg Broughton, Sam Day, Josh Hall, Steven May, Matt Shaw and Rory Thomson. I'm sure they won't bring them all back at the same time, but rest assured they will be stronger this week than they have been recently
In: Ellard, Holman, Boekhorst, Tutt, Jamison
Out: Gibbs (suspended), Walker (knee)
It is an extended interchange so some will miss
Boekhorst and Jamo to be the ins?
Watto needs to put together a few big bags to get a crack I guess. Would've liked to see him amongst the emergencies.
Interchange (from) 28. Tom Bell 12. Blaine Boekhorst, 46. David Ellard
20. Nick Holman 40. Michael Jamison 2. Troy Menzel
22. Jason Tutt
Full credit for persistence PI2C
forget Watto.
He isn't going to make it.
I make this call hoping I'm wrong as a reverse jinx as I'd love for him to make it, but you have to be a competitive one trick pony at very least, and Watson is unfortunately a bloke we selected with elite kicking skills and not much else.
At best he is our version of Schoenmakers.
I'm a big wrap for the ol' reverse jinx Thry. You may have just got Watto over the line.
The point has been laboured, but Watson aint going to get a game while all our current talls can get onto the park and snaffle more than 5 touches.
Great kick, but that is about all.
If he kicks another bag of six he'll get mighty close. ;)
Carlton
B: Zach Tuohy, Sam Rowe, Sam Docherty.
HB: Kade Simpson, Simon White, Dylan Buckley.
C: Chris Yarran, Andrew Carrazzo, Ed Curnow.
HF: Dennis Armfield, Levi Casboult, Nick Graham.
F: Andrejs Everitt, Lachie Henderson, Matthew Kreuzer.
Foll: Cameron Wood, Patrick Cripps, Marc Murphy.
Int: Tom Bell, Blaine Boekhorst, David Ellard, Nick Holman, Michael Jamison, Troy Menzel, Jason Tutt (Three to be omitted).
In: Blaine Boekhorst, David Ellard, Nick Holman, Michael Jamison, Jason Tutt.
Out: Bryce Gibbs (Suspension), Andrew Walker (Knee)
Walker can't seem to take a trick at the moment. His form is down and he is obviously struggling.
I wouldn't play Jamo. He didn't even play a whole game last week for the NB's. Give him another week to find something and to play a full game.
I wouldn't play Menzel either. He is no more 100 % than Judd is. He needs to get fit and up his work rate.
Gold Coast Suns
B: Henry Schade, Trent McKenzie, Jarrod Harbrow.
HB: Kade Kolodjashnij, Steven May, Adam Saad.
C: Luke Russell, Touk Miller, Jesse Lonergan.
HF: Andrew Boston, Tom J. Lynch, Harley Bennell.
F: Brandon Matera, Charlie Dixon, Sam Day.
Foll: Tom Nicholls, Michael Rischitelli, Mitch Hallahan.
Int: Alex Sexton, Nick Malceski, Jack Leslie, Matt Shaw, Andrew Raines, Peter Wright, Sean Lemmens (Three to be omitted).
In: Steven May, Harley Bennell, Sam Day, Alex Sexton, Matt Shaw.
Out: Clay Cameron (Omitted), Danny Stanley (Knee)
No Gablett. I am a bit surprised.
The club should give him an extended run (at least three games) at some stage this year. At the very least it would help them to make a call either way at the end of the year.
And fair enough too, if he can repeat the dose. But he does have to start showing a little consistency.
Stop being so rational R_E!
Consistent or not, it's probably worth playing him.
We either gain a key forward who has trade value and we can move him on, or we lose games and stay at the pointy end of the draft order whilst establishing he isn't up to it.
This is the way I would be looking at Watson. he serves no value playing every game at NB. He gets no trade value. We delist him eventually for free. We never find out if he could eventually make it. We need to roll the dice on him for a few games eventually. I would try him sooner than later. Not just for one game either.
Watson needs more than a good day out in the Magoos.
He needs a few in a row.
That's the problem.
He kicks a few here and a few there
He's in a position now where the ship has all but sailed.
I'd like to see him given another go under the new regime, but he has to demand a spot by doing it week after week.
Well he has kicked 12 in the last three games lods, been our leading goal scorer all three times. Would like to see another bag this week and in he goes.
Unless there is an injury to Casboult he won't get a game up forward, Watson cannot replace Hendo, Everitt or the other more mobile forwards because he isn't agile enough.
He may get a run up forward if Jammo or White get hurt and they move Hendo or Everitt back. (I don't think moving Everitt back is a good idea, but he is an option!)
He would have to establish himself as a regular, reliable multiple goal kicker in the NBs or we would have to have injuries to cover for him to get a senior game now. I fear he has had his papers stamped by the club for better or for worse.
Unfortunately, Watson's non-contribution last time he was promoted may have ended his career with us.
I doubt whether he will make it but I would like to see him get another chance now that we're playing competitive footy.
Agree, his kicking ability is definitely worth it IMO.
x2...He needs to be consistent and do more than be a leadup target, think he will be hoping Henderson goes to Geelong and he might
get another year to prove himself...
I would personally be happy for Everitt to take a stint in the reserves to give him a go. Won't happen whilst Everitt is kicking three goal a game however.
Watson has had enough opportunities if you ask me. Will be delisted at years end
Yep - new coach. New(ish) recruiting manager. Expected / unexpected player trades / delistings etc. Remember Brittain and Fev ?
If he keeps doing good things in the 2's, he has to be a chance, even if only as a back up player.
Watson needs a chance in the seniors if the whole team is playing good as a fwd i reckon he wont let us down,as for everitt he is very soft (cant stick a tackle)and the . position for him is that gunston type role half fwd.
That was a total team non-contribution though. Hate to have been a forward, you had no hope, especially a young bloke. I took no notice of that game. His previous one he kicked 4.
Final team selections
Interchange: Holman, Ellard, Bell and Menzel
Emergencies: Boekhorst, Jamison and Tutt
Dammit Ellard over Boekhorst.
Makes zero sense to me. There's no future in Ellard. He's a good VFL player and that's it.
Yep, a puzzling selection.
It's a buzzkiller of a selection.
I like Holman in the team, very honest player who is improving and who really needs some senior experience to fast-track him.
Ellard over Boekhorst I dont understand.....the Boaky man has something to offer IMO while Ellard will be a good trier but nothing more....
I would have dropped Menzel. But what do I know?
I'm glad that Holman got a Guernsey.
Ellard probably deserves a game with his form at VFL level, but I don't see him as the future. I guess we'll also see where he plays: hopefully not in starvation corner. If he is worth a game, then he must play in a role that gives him some chance of doing some good. Earlier in the year he just couldn't get a kick as a small forward.
Hopefully Holman gets at least three games in succession, and that the club have told him this will be the case.
I've supported Ellard's inclusion in the past, but would have much preferred Boekhorst on this occasion.
It's dumb dropping Walks.
Didn't get dropped. Out with a knee.
My read was Walker is injured too.
I've always liked Walks, and always wished he could've had a few more seasons like 2011.
I hate myself for saying it, but even if he wasn't injured, he shouldn't be playing seniors. He's been terrible this year.
Man I feel lousy typing that.
Id have liked BB as well but Holman and Ellard have been regular NB best players.
BB has had one really good game, if he plays one of two more he'll come in I think.
If this is part of a selection policy based on merit, then I'm all for it.
How can they keep leaving Boakhorst out?
I'd love to see how he goes in a team that is playing well - as opposed to a team getting crapped on.
Ellard selection makes less than no sense. Why can't our selectors see what is as plain as the nose on your face - Ellard is a good seconds player - nowhere near an AFL player. This sort of crap has been driving me nuts for years. They select based on VFL form rather than what is in the best interests of the team. They picked Warnock because he played well in the seconds even though nobody needs 2 ruckmen when you've got Casboult in the team.
Well said Jeza. Has been proven time and time again he's not up to it.
Maybe rewarding VFL form is What we should do.
We just got rid of a coach who had favourites and pets . All players on the same level now, clean slate.
I'm guessing he's been injured all year. Missed the start of the season, then another few weeks , not out again.
I've thought the same at times. Not sure why he's in the side if this is true. He does neither himself nor the side any favors playing the way he has.
Ellard's papers have obviously not yet been stamped, contrary to a popular opinion on here. Not so Watson, who appears to have suffered that fate, unless he can really put in a run of good performances pretty soon.
Selecting the team on the basis of form would be a novel approach ;)
Ellard may be a depth player but his form is better than his rivals so he should get a spot before them. Their task is simple; perform so well that they force their way into the team.
It's not rocket science now that the pet master is gone; play well and you'll get opportunities.
I've been saying this for weeks.
Ellard has been BOG at VFL for the last two three games, returning big numbers in the form of clearances, goals, possessions and tackles and you just can't ignore that sort of form.
He'll get dropped again soon enough but whilst he is doing that it promotes competition for spots and hopefully some hunger from skittles and co to get a game.
Totally agree Thry, he's a battler, he's a little aussie battler.
Would love to see Boeky in and unshackled with our refreshed game style, had a pretty good game last week by all reports, i think Whiley and Walsh did also.
Dont think Whiley will get a crack whilst Carrots and Curnow are in the team as defensive mids though.
Havent seen Walsh play but looks like a big unit.
He was BOG two weeks back yes, not last week however and not the week before the BOG. The fact that you say he'll get dropped again soon enough is exactly what we are harping on about. Just a waste of time. Not good enough at this level.
But better than those competing with him for a game.
He plays a different role in the VFL doesn't he....more of a midfielder?
Let him duplicate that in the seniors.
Did he hurt his knee in his 10 minute run last week?
I'm struggling to understand why Jamison isn't in as well, he's streets ahead of White as a back, got through the VFL last week OK and is fit enough to be named as an emergency.
I'm happy enough with Ellard getting a game on the back of good VFL form, like most here I don't think he's a long term senior player but its hardly a star studded line up, more than anything I'm disappointed that Jaksch, Boekhurst and Whiley can't force their way into a team that's won two games.
2014 was another draft wipe out by the looks of things.
I'm assuming this is in reference to Ellard, although it could also be said about Watson.
Why you have a go at Ellard, but try and persist with Watson is beyond me.
I reckon Walks went in to the last game with an issue. The club may think Jammo is cooked?
Watson needs a block of games, like 5 or 6 which has never happened for him.
It actually did happen a year or two back, Matt played about 5 games in a row down back and started to look very comfortable and capable, then he was dropped or injured and it never happened for him again.
Looks like youre right! Taking so long to get a game in 2013 then bits appearnces in 2014 masks this.
2015 - 1 game: R7
2014 - 3 games: R1,R13,R23
2013 - 5 games: R16,R17,R18,R19,R20
2012 - 8 games: R10,R11,R12, R14,R15,R16,R17,R20
2011 - 3 games: R2,R3,R17
I don't think anyone could say Ellard hasn't been given a fair go.
(Having said that, I think he's probably got those chances because he's been set specific tasks by Mathouse and done what was asked.)
Watson on the other hand was given a bit over half a game this year...
A game where the delivery to the forwards was dreadful and we were smashed.
Still as I've said before, the way for Watson to get games is to demand them with performance.....keep the pressure on.
OMG. NOt rocket science.
Ellard rookie pick, no weapons, 26 years of age 58 game in 8 years.
Watson first round pick, beautiful long left foot kick, 22 years of age and only 20 games in five years.
Can you pick the difference? :))
Yeah, 1 has been underperforming when playing 1's. :P
I'm tipping you mean Ellard considering Watson hasn't been given a proper go this year? ;)
'Proper'. ???
What i saw from Watson this year was one of THE worst performances by a footballer in navy blue ever.
Many can argue that the ball didn't get near him.
Being at the game, i argue that he refused to put it in any effort to get near the ball.
He has played below average in probably 17 of his 20 games thus far.
Still hasn't been given a proper go this year. Ellard has. It's a blight on the club that ellard is still on our list after 8 years of not making it and even now is about to get another game. Just disgraceful.
We've got a long history of having duds on our list for years and years, Hampson was on our list for 7 and Ellard is twice the footballer he is.
Watson just isn't any good PI2C, when he's delisted at the end of this year he'll probably wind up back in the EDFL.
I don't think Watson will make it either....
But he hasn't been given a 'proper' go this year.
It may have been the worst performance in navy Blue ever :o (think that's a slight exaggeration Kruds ;D)....but he only got 57% of a game to set that record...no chance of redemption.
So he went from a player who really "needed a bit of self belief to show what he could do" in the last game of 2014.
He was then passed over for a recruit who gave us very little in the early part of the year but who perhaps needed to be played to justify his recruitment.
He was then given half a game in arguably our worst performance of the season.
He's then become a regular multiple goal scorer at VFL level
He probably should get one last crack.
Worst case... he shows nothing and we delist at the end of the year.
Better case....he shows something another club thinks it can use.
Best case.....cements a spot in the side and becomes a premiership player. ;D
I was going to put that... but I'm not sure even I believe it ;D
The reason Ellard gets a game and Watson can't is because he's simply a better footballer.
Probably at another club......... ::)
Only joking. ;)
Firstly, the reason he had SFA game time is because he was subbed out because he was useless and giving no effort.
Secondly, if he has been so hard done by in his time at the club, don't you think he would show a bit more heart and effort once he gets out there?
That is why i said it was the worst game ever....i should have stipulated 'from what i have seen' in there and i stand by that. I don't think i ever saw Simpsons first 3 games, but i'm tipping he put in more effort than Watto ever did.
With Watto there is a lot of 'just 1 more crack' and ultimately we are left disappointed. How many 1 more cracks do we give him?
He hasn't had a proper crack at it for two seasons now. So I guess you hear '1 crack' until he actually gets a crack at it.
One more.
But don't sub him at half time.
Give him a couple of games.
How many has he had as a forward at senior level?
Many folk have had a bad game, half or quarter....(Brendan Fevola vs StKilda 2005 ;) 0 kicks 0 goals 0 marks 6 clangers)
So they subbed Watson out....after a little over two quarters.
His effort may have been poor but the way he was handled in the aftermath of his game against Essendon was a pretty poor piece of player management as far as I'm concerned.
He was subbed about halfway through the 3rd quarter. It was clear what he was giving was not up to scratch. Had he been left on the claws would've come up for Mick Malthouse for leaving him on the ground!
Did he deserve to get a game when he did? I'm not sure.
Did he deserve a 2nd game after his performance? No.
His problem is he needs to be gifted games...which he doesn't perform in, nor show the required effort in them. How many games do we need to give him (in a row) before we realise that is just who he is.
Many suggest we hold onto players for too long....if Watson was anything but a first round pick, he would've been given the flick ages ago. Forget about where he was drafted and look at what he has been able to deliver. Not only in AFL games but VFL as well. Yes, he's kicked a couple of goals recently, but who has he played on?
Listen to RR's take on it if you don't trust mine.
Isn't a clanger a kick which goes directly to the opposition(ie where the opposition gets an uncontested possessio). Only Fev could get 6 clangers and no kicks :))
I think a free kick against is also a clanger as is a 50m penalty he must have given away six of the best. :P