Princes Park => Robert Heatley Stand => Topic started by: crashlander on June 04, 2016, 10:31:11 am
Title: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: crashlander on June 04, 2016, 10:31:11 am
Next weekend we play the 'Aints at Etihad.
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Post by: kruddler on June 04, 2016, 10:32:52 am
One week at a time Crash. ;)
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Post by: laj on June 04, 2016, 06:06:44 pm
Nice to nail that one and be, believe it or not, 7-5. St.Kilda though is an ultimate danger game. Can be very good or very bad but just the side to take advantage of a side just below it's best.
We have a rough run after that, after the bye we have GWS away, Pies, Crows at home, Eagles at home, then Sydney away and Hawthorn in Tassie. Win a couple of home games at least and the season really takes off with a soft last 4 games.
I'll keep knocking Gorringe. It's obviously my knocking is helping him play well...lol. When you're on a good thing.....
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on June 04, 2016, 06:19:22 pm
I can see the Aints speedsters pulling our pants down next week :o
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Post by: sandsmere on June 04, 2016, 08:34:26 pm
Bloody Hell!!!!! All doom and gloom mate. Buggar!!!!! :( :( :( :( :(
I reckon we'll belt 'em . :D :D :D :D
Cool, ....I'll go with you then Sands ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: cookie2 on June 04, 2016, 09:43:12 pm
I'm sure we'll be up and about and more focused next week than we were today. If so we should beat them.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: LoveNavy on June 04, 2016, 10:02:43 pm
Next week we'll have the slight advantage with the extra day break. Hopefully gives the boys a better chance to freshen up.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: pinot on June 04, 2016, 10:04:06 pm
Saints are a good young side but I think we will go okay. Senior hardened bodies help.. big tackles hurt young bodies. Our defensive game is excellent haven't seen it this good in decades - we are tough to score against. 8 day break is really nice
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: jeza on June 04, 2016, 10:06:17 pm
I can see the Aints speedsters pulling our pants down next week :o
For some reason I can't see it happening.
The way we play is a style that is going to really trouble the younger/lighter Saints. The Cats game obviously took a fair bit out of the guys for today.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: JonHenry on June 05, 2016, 07:31:37 am
And if the saints get done again, by Christ I couldn't care
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: flyboy77 on June 05, 2016, 08:53:12 am
Sam Fisher will be a definite out.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 05, 2016, 08:59:07 am
Its good our back six is functioning so well, the Aints have a few dangerous fwd options so they will need to be on their game. As someone else said, we are very hard to score against, that will continue next week. Go Blue.
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Post by: Jean-Claude on June 05, 2016, 10:40:23 am
If we get up this will be another really solid win, more than people will give it credit for. McCartin, Membrey, Bruce and when Riewoldt is down there will be a big challenge for our backline.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: cookie2 on June 05, 2016, 11:30:28 am
Make sure the game is played mainly in our fwd half and we won't be too worried by the Saints forwards, they will have to worry about ours.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: LoveNavy on June 05, 2016, 05:31:43 pm
The way the saints are going at the moment (crows 68 - 14), we might have the confidence advantage too ;)
Blues by a couple :))
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: pinot on June 05, 2016, 05:48:32 pm
I will be happy with a one point win.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: kruddler on June 05, 2016, 07:40:27 pm
And if the saints get done again, by Christ I couldn't care
I have yet to read the rest of the thread, so forgive me if I repeat... "Won't you meet me, under the clocks, We'll go walking by the river through the parks..."
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: PaulP on June 05, 2016, 10:09:07 pm
I'd be keeping a close eye on Krooz, and whether he's in or out. Look so much better with him on the park, which is a blessing and a curse.
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Post by: cookie2 on June 05, 2016, 10:11:15 pm
Apparently Riewoldt also doubtful for the Saints due to a knee injury sustained early in the game which he played out the game with.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: Lods on June 05, 2016, 10:23:16 pm
From the match report...
INJURIES Carlton: Gorringe (knee), Kreuzer (ill)
Both might be fine but we'll have to wait and see
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: Amers on June 06, 2016, 01:37:33 am
After a sub standard 2nd half against the Lions, I reckon Bolts might just get them fired up for our biggest win of the season so far against the 'Aints! Wouldn't that be nice?!!
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: malo on June 06, 2016, 09:33:20 am
And if the saints get done again, by Christ I couldn't care
Ahh....the Weddos, a man of my era !
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: Bear on June 06, 2016, 09:43:50 am
I'd actually prefer it if they went in with the 4 big blokes... not sure that is working too well for them. Great if it comes off, but they seem to get smashed if it doesn't. Riewoldt out would be good.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: Thryleon on June 06, 2016, 11:20:21 am
Apparently Phillips had a strong game in the VFL, and it will be interesting to see how he goes doing the #1 ruck duties solo.
I think this will be a tighter match than we think, but I reckon we'll get the chocolates in this one.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: Dominator_7 on June 06, 2016, 11:49:28 am
A nice 8 day break will be very welcome by the players
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: Mav on June 06, 2016, 12:19:31 pm
Pity it's at Etihad as I reckon it still suits them better than us. Bolton's team defence has narrowed the gap but our forward structure is still fragile. We couldn't even slice through the Lions. We still have good prospects given the Saints' injuries but it won't be pretty to watch.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: Pratty on June 06, 2016, 01:06:26 pm
IF...Kreuzer is out then Phillips comes in IMO.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: laj on June 06, 2016, 01:59:33 pm
At this stage Silvagni in for someone. Looks like he's ready for a game.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: bratblue on June 06, 2016, 02:14:47 pm
Imagine the roar when he gets his first goal/kick
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: RiverRat on June 06, 2016, 11:49:40 pm
At this stage Silvagni in for someone. Looks like he's ready for a game.
He is the only player from the VFL team who played well enough to deserve promotion - despite still spending a significant amount of time on the bench; he is clearly being managed with care.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: DJC on June 07, 2016, 12:08:00 am
He is the only player from the VFL team who played well enough to deserve promotion - despite still spending a significant amount of time on the bench; he is clearly being managed with care.
As he should be RR.
The other part of the equation is who would he displace? From what I have seen, he is playing more as a small or medium forward and I suspect that Lamb and Wright are more than safe in the 22.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: Amers on June 07, 2016, 01:28:14 am
The other part of the equation is who would he displace? From what I have seen, he is playing more as a small or medium forward and I suspect that Lamb and Wright are more than safe in the 22.
But are Everitt and Walker?
As a 3rd tall he's probably more similar to these 2 than Lamb and Wright.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: madbluboy on June 07, 2016, 07:47:22 am
Silvagni's first game will be home game so he won't be playing this week.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: flyboy77 on June 07, 2016, 08:08:55 am
Player Injury Estimated Return Sam Fisher Hamstring 3-4 weeks Nathan Freeman Hamstring TBC Hugh Goddard Achilles Season Billy Longer Concussion 4 weeks Paddy McCartin Concussion/neck TBC Daniel McKenzie Illness Test Nick Riewoldt Knee Test
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: DJC on June 07, 2016, 09:03:30 am
Player Injury Estimated Return Sam Fisher Hamstring 3-4 weeks Nathan Freeman Hamstring TBC Hugh Goddard Achilles Season Billy Longer Concussion 4 weeks Paddy McCartin Concussion/neck TBC Daniel McKenzie Illness Test Nick Riewoldt Knee Test
Riewoldt will miss according to reports last night.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 07, 2016, 09:26:58 am
St Kilda's forward line looks set to be decimated this week against Carlton with youngster Paddy McCartin ruled out and captain Nick Riewoldt in serious doubt.
McCartin was concussed for the second time this season against Adelaide on Sunday and St Kilda football manager Jamie Cox confirmed on Tuesday that the former No.1 pick would not be considered for selection.
Riewoldt is considered a 50-50 proposition at best to face the Blues at Etihad Stadium after he injured a knee during the Saints' crushing 88-point loss to the Crows.
In further bad news for the Saints, veteran defender Sean Dempster will miss the next month due to a knee injury and youngster Hugh Goddard will likely be sidelined for 12 months after rupturing his Achilles tendon at Adelaide Oval.
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-st-kilda-youngster-paddy-mccartin-will-not-play-against-carlton-20160607-gpd9he.html#ixzz4ArAjghsa Follow us: @theage on Twitter | theageAustralia on Facebook
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: Amers on June 07, 2016, 02:07:57 pm
This is starting to look like it should be a 10 goal win for us, with all of the Aints injuries.
A good test of our boys mental strength this week I reckon....
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: flyboy77 on June 07, 2016, 02:08:29 pm
100% agree this is the teams greatest test this year thus far to clean up that percentage. Let's see how they fare.
It'll certainly be interesting to see if we can really do the business on a weakened and lowly team but I'm not getting too carried away. Could also be a player development opportunity?
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: DJC on June 07, 2016, 02:57:10 pm
I reckon Bolton will be hosing down the prospects of an easy game and focusing on the mental strength.
Bolton knows there are no easy games, I think he will be looking for a strong 4 (not 2) qtr effort. If the boys bring that effort, it should boost our % at least a little!
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: bratblue on June 07, 2016, 03:07:56 pm
The last time I heard that kind of arrogance here was Brettie before the infamous Gold Coast game that got Ratten sacked.
And he's never been the same since. :)
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: Dominator_7 on June 07, 2016, 03:36:17 pm
Cant afford to take them lightly though, and don't think Bolts will allow this to happen, especially following the haphazard way we finished off the game against the Lions.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: PaulP on June 07, 2016, 03:48:50 pm
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: LanceRomance on June 07, 2016, 05:29:41 pm
Make no mistake, St Kilda are a very very good football side. >:D
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Post by: bmaurizio on June 07, 2016, 05:32:26 pm
I think we should give Jaksch a go , good opportunity to see what he can offer. I'm interested to see how he reacts to the new game plan and Boltons mentoring. Go Baggers
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: bmaurizio on June 07, 2016, 05:34:39 pm
Agree we should not take any team for granted irrespective of whom we are up against. I just think Silvani can wait a while longer and continue to be well manger. Jaksch however has to be assessed at some point.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: kruddler on June 07, 2016, 06:18:43 pm
Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-st-kilda-youngster-paddy-mccartin-will-not-play-against-carlton-20160607-gpd9he.html#ixzz4ArAjghsa Follow us: @theage on Twitter | theageAustralia on Facebook
I heard this is 4 episodes of concussion in 2 years. He needs to be treated very carefully with all of the current evidence around chronic brain conditions following multiple bouts of concussion. I feel sorry for him really. I know what I'd be telling him to do if he were my kid, but he probably wouldn't want to hear it.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: flyboy77 on June 08, 2016, 10:10:54 am
From Macca's injury update, sounds like Special K will be good to go for Sunday's game!
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: PaulP on June 08, 2016, 10:58:58 pm
Ed has taken a different path and suffered his share of setbacks on his way to his hundredth game as a very good midfielder. Like many of his team-mates, Ed has lifted his game to a new level this season and I suspect he has finally silenced his doubters.
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Post by: pinot on June 09, 2016, 07:00:31 am
He has been fantastic past two and bit years. I would consider him an elite tagger that finds plenty and I mean plenty of the ball himself. Well done Ed..your grunt and relentless running is awesome to see.
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Post by: flyboy77 on June 09, 2016, 07:15:04 am
Kudos to this young man. An inspiration, no doubt to his younger brother, his team mates and even we arm chair critics!
A great, great effort.
I was initially an Ed supporter, then after watching the way he kicks the ball, an Ed critic. Now it's gone full circle. I think he's one of the premier midfielders in the competition. His disposal has improved dramatically and his work ethic is second to none. He's not bad aiming at the big sticks either, something I feel he should try to do more of. Well done Ed on 100 games!
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Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 09, 2016, 09:18:28 am
I was initially an Ed supporter, then after watching the way he kicks the ball, an Ed critic. Now it's gone full circle. I think he's one of the premier midfielders in the competition. His disposal has improved dramatically and his work ethic is second to none. He's not bad aiming at the big sticks either, something I feel he should try to do more of. Well done Ed on 100 games!
x2 Good summary..much improved footballer..
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Post by: Mav on June 09, 2016, 09:22:09 am
It wasn't just his kicking - early on, he panicked with his backward handballs when a tackle was imminent and would miss his target. Thankfully, he outgrew that.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: cookie2 on June 09, 2016, 09:35:27 am
Ed, through reasons outlined previously in this thread, has elevated himself to being one of the most important players in our squad and this year that has become even more apparent. Well done Ed and congratulations!
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Post by: Pratty on June 09, 2016, 09:57:08 am
Yep, congratulations Ed Curnow on 100 games in the Navy Blue.
Been a revelation this year as a ball-winning midfielder in his own right. Very important for us, and him.
The midfield now has greater depth, due to a couple of factors (at least) in a couple of extra quality mids/footballers and an increase in output and consistency from all of these blokes. It makes all the difference:
Kreuzer Cripps Gibbs Murphy E.Curnow Thomas Simpson Kerridge Wright
And, these blokes have been 'rolling' through there also: Sumner Lamb Graham
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: flyboy77 on June 09, 2016, 10:25:01 am
If Sumner comes back in, who goes out?
Graham?
Sumner's not a full time mid.....and must lack a tank given his foot problems?
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: cimm1979 on June 09, 2016, 10:55:32 am
Sumner's not a full time mid.....and must lack a tank given his foot problems?
That would mean one less player in our midfield rotations unless the flankers increase their time in the midfield - Murphy was spending a bit of time as a half forward.
The essence of Bolton's gameplan is that it doesn't matter which 18 players are on the ground, they all know the role that's required of them in any situation.
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Post by: Gointocarlton on June 09, 2016, 12:39:24 pm
So all this talk of SOSOS made me dream last night that he was selected to make his debut this week. In the dream, he ran out wearing no.1. Just sayin'.
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Post by: Amers on June 09, 2016, 05:00:23 pm
Congrats to Ed for getting to 100 games, great effort !!
A talented athlete, but not so much a gifted footballer, his tenacity and hard work and effort are what has gotten him to where he is today. It took him a bit longer than some and he had to do it the hard way, but this achievement has been very well earned !!
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: Robblues on June 09, 2016, 06:32:51 pm
Wow SOSOS has been named as part of the bench? Hope he gets a shot
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Post by: laj on June 09, 2016, 06:33:14 pm
B: Kade Simpson - Jacob Weitering - Zach Tuohy HB: Lachie Plowman - Sam Rowe - Dale Thomas C: Sam Docherty - Patrick Cripps - Ed Curnow HF: Sam Kerridge - Levi Casboult - Andrew Walker F: Matthew Wright - Andrejs Everitt - Liam Sumner RUCKS: Matthew Kreuzer - Jed Lamb - Bryce Gibbs
Interchange from: Dennis Armfield - Ciaran Byrne -Daniel Gorringe - Nick Graham - Andrew Phillips - Jack Silvagni - Simon White
In: Sumner, Silvagni, Phillips
Out: Nil
New: Jack Silvagni (Oakleigh Chargers)
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: Robblues on June 09, 2016, 06:36:26 pm
So all this talk of SOSOS made me dream last night that he was selected to make his debut this week. In the dream, he ran out wearing no.1. Just sayin'.
Dream might be closer than you think?
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: Shonkytonks on June 09, 2016, 06:37:10 pm
And so it begins, the 1st game for another Silvagni. Im sure he will leave his mark on the club like his Grandfather and Father before him.
Congratulations Jack!
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 09, 2016, 06:38:51 pm
Although Phillips might be an in, for Kreuzer if he doesn't come up.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: Jack Burton on June 09, 2016, 07:54:32 pm
I'm thinking Graham out, Sumner in Phillips in only in Kreuzer doesn't get up Jack remains emergency and has the weekend off footy, won't hurt him at this stage
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: laj on June 09, 2016, 07:55:44 pm
Damn, I was looking forward to watching Jack at Box Hill on Saturday ;)
It's good to see that Kreuzer has overcome his concussion.
Any of Armfield, Byrne, Gorringe, Graham and White would be stiff to miss out, but at least one will ???
I'm guessing on form that Armfield is a dead cert.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: Jack Burton on June 09, 2016, 08:00:16 pm
Agree 100% re Armfield. Last two weeks could be the best he's ever played, same with Simon White, no way either of those will miss out unless theyre really sore. Gorringe showed a bit last week, albeit against ordinary opposition, but I think he'll get plenty of games for the rest of the year to see how he develops, could be anything. And Byrne is a keeper, just need to get him to 50 games and then watch out, no way he'll be dropped if he's fit. Graham on the other hand looked out of his depth on the weekend, I know its difficult stepping up in class when you've spent weeks in the VFL, but if someone has to make way, he's the one for me
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Post by: cookie2 on June 09, 2016, 08:10:21 pm
For mine Grahame would be an OUT. Anyone else would be stiff, unless not 100% fit.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: cimm1979 on June 09, 2016, 08:11:49 pm
Agree 100% re Armfield. Last two weeks could be the best he's ever played, same with Simon White, no way either of those will miss out unless theyre really sore. Gorringe showed a bit last week, albeit against ordinary opposition, but I think he'll get plenty of games for the rest of the year to see how he develops, could be anything. And Byrne is a keeper, just need to get him to 50 games and then watch out, no way he'll be dropped if he's fit. Graham on the other hand looked out of his depth on the weekend, I know its difficult stepping up in class when you've spent weeks in the VFL, but if someone has to make way, he's the one for me
I thought Graham was OK. I don't think that you can expect him to accumulate possessions like Murphy would but he did get three clearances and made 7 tackles.
Dropping Graham would mean that the part time midfielders would have to spend more time in the midfield.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 09, 2016, 08:20:31 pm
For mine Grahame would be an OUT. Anyone else would be stiff, unless not 100% fit.
Agree, as you know I just don't rate him so for me? Any excuse at all to drop him will do.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: crashlander on June 09, 2016, 08:31:41 pm
Carlton
B: Kade Simpson, Jacob Weitering, Zach Tuohy. HB: Lachie Plowman, Sam Rowe, Dale Thomas. C: Sam Docherty, Patrick Cripps, Ed Curnow. HF: Sam Kerridge, Levi Casboult, Andrew Walker. F: Matthew Wright, Andrejs Everitt, Liam Sumner. Foll: Matthew Kreuzer, Jed Lamb, Bryce Gibbs. Int: Dennis Armfield, Ciaran Byrne, Daniel Gorringe, Nick Graham, Andrew Phillips, Jack Silvagni, Simon White.
In: Liam Sumner, Andrew Phillips, Jack Silvagni.
New: Jack Silvagni
I have to admit that I have no idea at all how the MC will jump this week. I have criticized the team structure and I still have issues with it, but the MC have been right more than they have been wrong. My own thoughts are simple: last week when Kreuzer went off, so did we. We struggled to get the ball out of the middle, even when he was playing. That suggests to me that we need a back up option, a PROPER back up option, not just Rowe and Gorringe, in the ruck to give our mids a decent chance. But will we play Phillips? I would have thought that unlikely. He did OK last week, but I'd like to see him REALLY play well before getting promotion. I thought Sumner would come back via the VFL. That seems not to be the case. White and Armfield have played some of their best ever football and they are named on the bench. I feel like Jon Snow.....
St Kilda
B: Dylan Roberton, Tom Lee, Jarryn Geary. HB: Jack Newnes, Luke Delaney, Leigh Montagna. C: Shane Savage, David Armitage, Jimmy Webster. HF: Maverick Weller, Josh Bruce, Luke Dunstan. F: Sam Gilbert, Tim Membrey, Jade Gresham. Foll: Tom Hickey, Sebastian Ross, Jack Steven. Int: Blake Acres, Jack Billings, Brodie Murdoch, Nathan Wright, Jack Sinclair, Darren Minchington, Lewis Pierce.
In: Tom Lee, Luke Delaney, Blake Acres, Nathan Wright, Jack Sinclair, Darren Minchington, Lewis Pierce.
Out: Sean Dempster (Knee), Hugh Goddard (Achilles), Nick Riewoldt (Knee), Paddy McCartin (Concussion)
I also like looking at the opposition to make sure we have a good match-up for everyone. However, I look at this side and they seem to be responding to us: not the worst position for us to be in, but one I am not used to being in. The 'Aints are supposed to be further along their rebuild than we are: I've always found that difficult to believe. But they have a huge number of no-names and they usually play well against us.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: Jack Burton on June 09, 2016, 08:35:28 pm
Usually play well against us? we've beaten them the last 4 games by an average of 48 points!!
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: Baggers on June 09, 2016, 08:36:33 pm
You'd think that the final interchange will be Armfield, Byrne, White and either Gorringe or Phillips.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: crashlander on June 09, 2016, 08:44:35 pm
Usually play well against us? we've beaten them the last 4 games by an average of 48 points!!
Their stars often have bad days against us, but their no-names (and most other teams' no-names) often play well against us. Especially when we are favoured to win.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: blue4life on June 09, 2016, 08:50:04 pm
Silvagni named in the squad is bad news for Jaksch. Gorringe would be stiff to be dropped but we'll probably go with Phillips, his form was pretty good before he was injured. Byrne and Armfield will both surely play and Graham should, which means White misses out after a real good one against Geelong. Stiff, but at least there's competition for spots.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: laj on June 09, 2016, 09:05:36 pm
Agree, as you know I just don't rate him so for me? Any excuse at all to drop him will do.
Yes understand GTC. I would not say he was that bad last week - just not as good as other options available for this week. If he plays so be it but the pleasing thing is that we have to scratch our heads a bit to decide who not to play as no one last week was that bad as to be an obvious omission.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: cimm1979 on June 09, 2016, 09:16:14 pm
I think we go with what he stated as well. He stated his name is SOS and that works for me.....
Say to yourself "C'mon SOSOS", it sounds daft.
C'mon SOS sounds natural
Agreed. I hereby officially Christen Jack Silvagni "SOS" (Son Of Stephen) and forever to be referred to as such on this site. Amen.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: crazyjoedevolamk11 on June 09, 2016, 10:01:30 pm
Wow????...some of the outs suggested on here to get SOSOS his first game have me scratching my head....I don't think he is quite ready to go yet....and...there is no way he his 93Kg as described in his profile on the clubs site...back in the gym mate...few more good 2nds games please.... ;)
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: mateinone on June 09, 2016, 10:03:27 pm
I don't think SOS will will play for the record. I would play him and probably drop Gorringe and Graham. The reason for Gorringe isn't bad form, but good form of Jack deserves a run and this is the best team to play him against with quite a few outs.
White and Armfield simply cannot be dropped I feel, both have been very good recently.
What I think will happen is SOS will miss and this is letting him know he is close to his debut.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: PaulP on June 09, 2016, 10:09:27 pm
Good to see the club following the path if they're good enough to play then age should not matter - whether it be 17 or 37!
Albeit it's on the extended bench.
Its nothing new, its been the case since the dawn of time. If they are ready physically and form warrants it (ie they have earned a spot), they play. There is also the other dilemma that the player playing well in the 2's needs to push someone out when the team is playing well and there are no injuries.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: PaulP on June 10, 2016, 07:34:20 am
I did think of that one, but DOJ is a bit close to dodgy, and given Steve's involvement in the "brown paper bag" saga, I thought I might just leave it alone.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: flyboy77 on June 10, 2016, 08:33:37 am
I wouldn't play him (SOJ) ahead of Walker or Everitt at this point.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: Pratty on June 10, 2016, 09:01:41 am
B: Kade Simpson, Jacob Weitering, Zach Tuohy. HB: Lachie Plowman, Sam Rowe, Dale Thomas. C: Sam Docherty, Patrick Cripps, Ed Curnow. HF: Sam Kerridge, Levi Casboult, Andrew Walker. F: Matthew Wright, Andrejs Everitt, Liam Sumner. Foll: Matthew Kreuzer, Jed Lamb, Bryce Gibbs. Int: Dennis Armfield, Ciaran Byrne, Daniel Gorringe, Nick Graham, Andrew Phillips, Jack Silvagni, Simon White.
Of that extended squad, I'd have Armfield, Byrne, Gorringe and White in the starting 22.
Emergencies then would be Graham, Phillips and Silvagni.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: Barbs on June 10, 2016, 10:12:03 am
I'm making the trip to Melbourne this round to see the boys play and would love to be there to see Jack Silvagni take the field for the first time. But surely the match committee will hold off his first appearance until a carlton home game so more fans have the chance to welcome him to the big time? 2 July vs Collingwood would be a perfect round for it. Huge crowd against traditional rivals (and a welcome distraction from the election).
Also, I vote for naming him J-SOS. It has a certain ring to it ;)
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: Robblues on June 10, 2016, 10:19:15 am
I wouldn't play him (SOJ) ahead of Walker or Everitt at this point.
Certainly agree Flyboy , they deserve there spot, though keen to see SOSOS or DOJ or jack or what we will call him come though and have an impact. If he itsnt physically ready and mature to handle it lets keep him on ice till he is. If the more learned people say he is lets get it happening then and see how he foes. I mean he couldn't me less physically ready than Simo was when he started?
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: cookie2 on June 10, 2016, 10:22:38 am
It'll be interesting to see whether Jack plays for sure but I've got a suspicion that he's named as an emergency possibly to keep fan interest bubbling? Could be wrong big time - we'll know later today.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 10, 2016, 10:57:52 am
It'll be interesting to see whether Jack plays for sure but I've got a suspicion that he's named as an emergency possibly to keep fan interest bubbling? Could be wrong big time - we'll know later today.
I thought the same thing when they named Cas and Kruze a few weeks ago then lo and behold, they played. I reckon he may be a real chance, not just games to keep the faithful interested.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: Baggers on June 10, 2016, 12:11:39 pm
Just watched BBs media conference - just love the way he remains focussed and won't be drawn or distracted. He's polite but seems definitely disinterested in being a 'media darling' or 'star'... remains 100% coach.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: Dominator_7 on June 10, 2016, 03:15:08 pm
I think in the longrun, the best thing that could ve happened to us is that we didn't absolutely hammer the Lions like it looked like we were going to do at one stage. It gave BB plenty of things for us to work on improving, and left the players and coaches a bit unsatisfied with our performance, which helps the focus going into this week.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: DJC on June 10, 2016, 03:43:40 pm
I think in the longrun, the best thing that could ve happened to us is that we didn't absolutely hammer the Lions like it looked like we were going to do at one stage. It gave BB plenty of things for us to work on improving, and left the players and coaches a bit unsatisfied with our performance, which helps the focus going into this week.
I have a feeling that, even if we were to win by 20 goals, Bolton would find plenty of things to work on :)
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: Gointocarlton on June 10, 2016, 05:05:02 pm
In Sumner Out Graham http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2016-06-10/blues-make-one-change
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: cookie2 on June 10, 2016, 05:09:05 pm
I notice that Jordan Bannister is one of the umps for this game.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: DJC on June 10, 2016, 05:27:15 pm
I notice that Jordan Bannister is one of the umps for this game.
I hope that if he tweets about a "sh1t decision", it won't have been to our disadvantage!
Actually, I reckon he's pretty good and his experience as a player is a contributing factor. I think his tweet was pretty good too. While I accept that umpires can't be drawn into debating decisions, an occasional "I got it wrong" does no harm.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: DJC on June 10, 2016, 05:30:14 pm
In Sumner Out Graham http://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/2016-06-10/blues-make-one-change
No real surprise. Gorringe has surprised me to be honest. He's shown some good signs and deserved another gig giving Phillips a chance to get a little more match fitness though he may be held back for Sunday just in case (probably along with Graham).
As hard as Graham works he's still got the problem he's had for so long, too slow and just doesn't hurt the opposition enough with his disposals. And that wrestling of the ball out of Cripps' hands against Brisvegas was not a good look. We might never see Carrots here again (*wink*).
And mentioning SOJ eases him into the fray of media hysteria. He's got another couple of weeks with the NBs to improve his fitness provided he's not held back just in case for Sunday.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: BlueAvenger on June 11, 2016, 07:20:47 am
Nicky G is depth at best for us and it's a real statement being made by the MC to bring Sumner straight in for him.
Graham is a bit of a one trick pony and really needs to watch extended footage of the Mitchells, Sam and Tom.
Needs to hurt the opp more when he has the ball and desperately needs to change his running patterns and use angles to create space due to his lack of foot speed and awareness. Want him to make it.
I'm glad that Jack S isn't getting a game yet. And boy oh boy where does that leave Jakcsh? Sheesh.
Want us to dominate these turds as they are my most hated team, stemming back to the Kosi, Milne and BJ days. Their supporters back in our dark days stick out like a sore thumb imo.
Smash em and bash em. I wouldn't mind 1AW ironing out Montagna ala Christensen >:D
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: pinot on June 11, 2016, 07:43:25 am
Bit stiff on Graham - needs continuity in games. Need to do better in clearances and hitting the scoreboard. Sumner applies good forward line pressure but doesn't get much of the ball.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on June 11, 2016, 08:43:50 am
Nicky G is depth at best for us and it's a real statement being made by the MC to bring Sumner straight in for him.
Graham is a bit of a one trick pony and really needs to watch extended footage of the Mitchells, Sam and Tom.
Needs to hurt the opp more when he has the ball and desperately needs to change his running patterns and use angles to create space due to his lack of foot speed and awareness. Want him to make it.
I'm glad that Jack S isn't getting a game yet. And boy oh boy where does that leave Jakcsh? Sheesh.
Want us to dominate these turds as they are my most hated team, stemming back to the Kosi, Milne and BJ days. Their supporters back in our dark days stick out like a sore thumb imo.
Smash em and bash em. I wouldn't mind 1AW ironing out Montagna ala Christensen >:D
x2 Not a real fan of Montagna either...maybe because he is a mate of Milne...
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: cookie2 on June 11, 2016, 09:35:32 am
Joey had a shocker last week with only about 12 disposals. May it continue this week!
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: cimm1979 on June 11, 2016, 11:13:24 am
Bit stiff on Graham - needs continuity in games. Need to do better in clearances and hitting the scoreboard. Sumner applies good forward line pressure but doesn't get much of the ball.
You watch how much ball Sumner gets when he starts getting real midfield minutes.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: kruddler on June 11, 2016, 11:53:18 am
Also, I vote for naming him J-SOS. It has a certain ring to it ;)
I agree - it does sound good. The problem is, you have to be too flexible with the original acronym. SOS obviously stands for Son Of Serge. If you call him J-SOS, then it's Jack, Son Of Serge, which makes me feel squidgy, not to mention the fact that it leaves the door open for opposition supporters to make inferences that I'd rather not know about.
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: DJC on June 11, 2016, 01:28:04 pm
I agree - it does sound good. The problem is, you have to be too flexible with the original acronym. SOS obviously stands for Son Of Serge. If you call him J-SOS, then it's Jack, Son Of Serge, which makes me feel squidgy, not to mention the fact that it leaves the door open for opposition supporters to make inferences that I'd rather not know about.
If he's known around the club as SOJ, that's good enough for me :)
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: PaulP on June 11, 2016, 01:33:33 pm
I agree - it does sound good. The problem is, you have to be too flexible with the original acronym. SOS obviously stands for Son Of Serge. If you call him J-SOS, then it's Jack, Son Of Serge, which makes me feel squidgy, not to mention the fact that it leaves the door open for opposition supporters to make inferences that I'd rather not know about.
Son of Steve doesn't work?
Title: Re: Rd 12: Pre game Prophecies: Carlton vs St. Kilda
Post by: PaulP on June 11, 2016, 04:12:16 pm