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Title: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: crashlander on July 05, 2017, 02:14:11 pm
One of our worst failures of the year was Round 1 against Port. Our team may be a lot weaker on paper, but I am hopeful of a positive response. Last week was a real step forward, but one we could no sustain, nor were we able to take advantage of our periods of dominance. Early in the year we could.
Gorringe will probably be back and will probably take on the 1st ruck job. Not sure that is going to help our work at the tap outs, but it will provide a player who has more idea about that game. In his senior appearances, Gorringe has actually played quite well around the ground, below his knees he is excellent. The question is his capability as a ruckman, which we all know is his weakness. Still, it also means that we can play Korchek in smaller lumps, which helps him.
Silvagni does not look like he will quite be right. However, next week there will be an interesting dilemma: whether to play Alex Silvagni in the 1sts or in the VFL.
SPS will be available as will Williamson. That will also make for some interesting selection decisions.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: Baggers on July 05, 2017, 05:59:02 pm
And I believe the match is televised, Capt CRASH, on 7.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: crashlander on July 05, 2017, 10:40:05 pm
And I believe the match is televised, Capt CRASH, on 7.
Mirabile visu!
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: Thryleon on July 06, 2017, 08:45:07 am
From what I just read we will be on tv seven both this saturday and the following.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: crashlander on July 06, 2017, 09:39:07 pm
NORTHERN BLUES v. PORT MELBOURNE Round 12 - 08/07/2017 02:10 Preston City Oval
Northern Blues
B: 47. C. Sheehan, 13. C. O'Shea, 70. H. Macreadie HB: 59. C. Byrne, 48. K. Jaksch, 7. D. Buckley C: 62. B. Boekhorst, 24. R. Palmer, 49. D. Armfield HF: 42. S. Petrevski-Seton, 31. P. Kerr, 1. T. Wilson F: 51. J. Lamb, 19. H. McKay, 55. L. Sumner R: 80. M. Korcheck, 32. N. Graham, 5. B. Smedts Int: 76. K. LeBois, 4. S. Russell, 8. L. Russell, 11. T. Jones, 34. J. Glass-McCasker, 35. M. Stavrou, 6. G. Strachan, 50. D. Gorringe, 56. A. Gallucci, 25. K. Keppel, 67. C. Polson, 38. J. Pickett 23P: 33. A. Federico
In: C. Sheehan, D. Gorringe, K. Jaksch, T. Jones, L. Sumner, K. Keppel, S. Petrevski-Seton, N. Graham, J. Lamb Out: S. Bolger
Port Melbourne B: 3. L. Tynan, 21. L. Cook, 16. D. Viojo-Rainbow HB: 5. S. Lange, 23. H. Sandilands, 29. C. Cain C: 30. B. Murdoch, 10. T. Pinwill, 27. D. Mascitti HF: 12. J. Tynan, 7. D. Conway, 32. B. Pearson F: 22. M. Arnot, 6. J. Lisle, 28. R. Nahas R: 49. C. Carey, 4. T. O'Sullivan, 20. S. Dwyer Int: 40. S. Clarke, 13. T. Gordon, 38. J. Gleeson, 35. E. Templeton, 11. M. Golby, 33. C. Kelso, 8. D. Van Unen, 18. M. Wooffindin 23P: 1. C. Searle
In: M. Golby, T. Gordon, J. Gleeson, C. Kelso
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: crashlander on July 06, 2017, 09:44:44 pm
NORTHERN BLUES v. PORT MELBOURNE Round 12 – 08/07/2017 11:00 Preston City Oval
Northern Blues B: 4. S. Russell, 25. K. Keppel, 22. C. McCabe HB: 35. M. Stavrou, 34. J. Glass-McCasker, 3. K. Declase C: 57. F. Pearce, 67. C. Polson, 23. C. Adams HF: 56. A. Gallucci, 16. J. Thorpe, 12. Z. Ballard F: 76. K. LeBois, 18. B. Jordan, 9. J. Corboy R: 30. S. Bolger, 11. T. Jones, 21. C. Barrett Int: 20. D. Stevens, 63. R. Maibaum, 41. S. Glover, 53. H. Payne, 60. B. Malual, 75. J. Rafferty, 46. J. Bradley, 64. J. O’Brien, 17. S. Peet, 45. M. Blakey, 78. M. Walson, 54. M. Romero
In: R. Maibaum, K. LeBois, S. Russell, A. Gallucci, J. Glass-McCasker, M. Stavrou, Corboy, C. Polson, S. Bolger, B. Malual Out: S. Fowler, M. Harman, W. Krithararis
Port Melbourne
B: 43. A. Vella, 64. H. Johnson, 24. M. Hayes HB: 13. T. Gordon, 42. T. Knowles, 41. R. Hogan C: 37. H. Hooper, 19. A. Anastasio, 67. K. Renooy HF: 11. M. Golby, 61. S. De Soysa, 66. A. Krakauer F: 53. J. Gleeson, 36. L. Waddell, 45. J. O’Brien R: 33. C. Kelso, 38. D. Iaccarino, 9. B. Hogan Int: 63. S. Pickess, 71. D. Houghton, 51. D. Atkins, 17. A. Urban, 14. I. Conway, 62. W. Goss, 44. Y. Jaffer-Williams, 46. M. Tang, 47. M. Wenn, 55. J. Johnson, 60. L. Treverton, 58. J. Harrison
In: W. Goss, M. Tang, A. Urban, I. Conway, J. Harrison, T. Knowles, Johnson, L. Waddell Out: L. Cunningham
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: crashlander on July 07, 2017, 11:35:08 am
NORTHERN BLUES v. PORT MELBOURNE Round 12 - 08/07/2017 02:10 Preston City Oval
Northern Blues
B: 47. C. Sheehan, 13. C. O'Shea, 70. H. Macreadie HB: 59. C. Byrne, 48. K. Jaksch, 7. D. Buckley C: 62. B. Boekhorst, 24. R. Palmer, 49. D. Armfield HF: 42. S. Petrevski-Seton, 31. P. Kerr, 1. T. Wilson F: 51. J. Lamb, 19. H. McKay, 55. L. Sumner R: 80. M. Korcheck, 32. N. Graham, 5. B. Smedts Int: 76. K. LeBois, 4. S. Russell, 8. L. Russell, 11. T. Jones, 34. J. Glass-McCasker, 35. M. Stavrou, 6. G. Strachan, 50. D. Gorringe, 56. A. Gallucci, 25. K. Keppel, 67. C. Polson, 38. J. Pickett 23P: 33. A. Federico
In: C. Sheehan, D. Gorringe, K. Jaksch, T. Jones, L. Sumner, K. Keppel, S. Petrevski-Seton, N. Graham, J. Lamb Out: S. Bolger
Port Melbourne B: 3. L. Tynan, 21. L. Cook, 16. D. Viojo-Rainbow HB: 5. S. Lange, 23. H. Sandilands, 29. C. Cain C: 30. B. Murdoch, 10. T. Pinwill, 27. D. Mascitti HF: 12. J. Tynan, 7. D. Conway, 32. B. Pearson F: 22. M. Arnot, 6. J. Lisle, 28. R. Nahas R: 49. C. Carey, 4. T. O'Sullivan, 20. S. Dwyer Int: 40. S. Clarke, 13. T. Gordon, 38. J. Gleeson, 35. E. Templeton, 11. M. Golby, 33. C. Kelso, 8. D. Van Unen, 18. M. Wooffindin 23P: 1. C. Searle
In: M. Golby, T. Gordon, J. Gleeson, C. Kelso
Remove the 4 bench players and probably 1 emergency and we still look better than last week. I guess the issues is simple: can they perform? We still look pretty dubious in the ruck, and the key defence spot is not looking that strong. Last time Lisle was the difference between the teams. We have to find someone to take him out of the game.. Getting a bit more from guys like Armfield would be good too, as we had a number of Carlton listed players who were pretty ordinary last week (and for some time before that).
I'd still like to see Jesse Glass-McCasker have a go in the forward line, but it doesn't look like it is going to happen. Since the game against the Aussie U18's he hasn't had a go in the forward line: it appears that the MC is not interested in trying him there. Maybe his papers are already stamped? But he has not been doing enough as a key defender and doesn't appear to have developed much. A disappointment, but...
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: blue4life on July 08, 2017, 02:45:59 pm
Nothing to get excited about so far, Armfield probably our best and Korchek is a much better ruckman than Gorringe, Smedts and Boekhorst ok although Boekhorst has butchered it a bit.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: LP on July 08, 2017, 03:30:09 pm
Nobody standing out in this game, hard to imagine McKay got that emergency listing. Must have been a bit of a bit of a spirit lifter for the kid.
Byrne looks a class above again, but we don't have the skills on the park to get him involved.
We look small and meek, seeing DVR intimidate our kids is not all that encouraging! :(
Jaksch is done I reckon, not much more to say!
Smedts thinks in slow motion then crucifies team-mates, seems to have an innate ability to use all the available time then make the exact wrong decision. For an experienced AFL player, very, very poor! He's a taller, slower version of Tutt!
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: enz on July 08, 2017, 04:25:29 pm
Free kick Port
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: Jeffy38 on July 08, 2017, 04:51:19 pm
McKay looks devoid of confidence. When he is in a good position they kick it over his head and when it is kicked to him he drops it.
Pickett showed glimpses but not much else.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: kruddler on July 08, 2017, 04:52:51 pm
Nobody standing out in this game, hard to imagine McKay got that emergency listing. Must have been a bit of a bit of a spirit lifter for the kid.
Byrne looks a class above again, but we don't have the skills on the park to get him involved.
We look small and meek, seeing DVR intimidate our kids is not all that encouraging! :(
Jaksch is done I reckon, not much more to say!
Smedts thinks in slow motion then crucifies team-mates, seems to have an innate ability to use all the available time then make the exact wrong decision. For an experienced AFL player, very, very poor! He's a taller, slower version of Tutt!
McKay got a gig in the emergency list as we need a couple different 'types' to choose from should we get a late injury. Bolton said this himself. No point having 3 mids on the emergencies list and you lose a ruckman pre-game. If it wasn't McKay as the 'tall' on the EMG list, who would it have been? We don't have too many left that are not playing or are injured.
re Smedts....He was showing some good signs early. Made some very good runs and spotted up a teammate perfectly on a couple of occasions. Looked the goods in spurts. Boekhorst too.
But...the cupboard is pretty bare.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: LP on July 08, 2017, 05:00:37 pm
I'd rather the club buy Tatts tickets than play Smedts!
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: crashlander on July 08, 2017, 05:01:01 pm
I'd rather the club buy Tatts tickets than play Smedts!
Wasnt great today and looks a VFL type only, has fallen away since the early rounds where he played some safe footy..
Boekhorst got plenty of ball but didnt do much with it IMO and the only other player of note was Pickett who played in bursts but did show some nous and style as he worked his way through traffic...
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: blue4life on July 08, 2017, 05:34:37 pm
I'd rather the club buy Tatts tickets than play Smedts!
I thought he was among our best today, and at least he can lay a tackle. Byrne was the standout, he's a cut above and in what was generally a poor standard game he stood out like dogs knackers.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: crashlander on July 08, 2017, 05:50:06 pm
No Macreadie, no SPS, no Nick Graham, no Lamb and no Sheahan: side goes from looking solid to being an also ran. Not enough effort from enough players.
DISPOSALS: Boekhorst 36, Wilson 23, O'Shea 22, Smedts 22, Russell 20, Jaksch 17
[1] Kym LeBois: doesn't look like he really wants to be there. His attack on the ball is poor and he managed only 2 possessions on the day. He had no impact on the game at all and contributed nothing. At the moment he appears to be the dud in last year's draft cohort, no matter how good he is at kicking goals. There is no pressure from him and his opponent has an easy afternoon. Unless he starts to put in and look like he wants to be there, he is gone. He looked much better as an U18: it looked like he belonged. I wouldn't play him in the VFL again until he really showed something.
[2] Jared Pickett: flashed in and out of the play and showed some spark, but he was missing when the hard ya4rds were required. He does not like it hard at all: he would be one of the softest guys on our list at present. At least he does tackle and chase, but he gives his man too much space as a defender. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, as I have seen more effort from him than I have from some. But he is really soft and he goes missing much too much for my taste.
[3] Blaine Boekhorst: he had 36 possessions and was one of our more effective players. His kicking was OK and he did tackle. He also put some pressure on. He looks like he belongs out there: why can't he do that in the 1sts?
[4] Ciaran Byrne: not enough of the ball yet, as he is nowhere near as fit as he would want to be, but he looks like a senior footballer. His aerial work and his persistence really stood out. But he cannot yet produce those blistering runs that tear teams apart. If he is thinking of this as a pre-season for 2018, then he is doing the right thing. He is coming along. By round 31 next year he will have that dash back and the attack from defence.
[5] Jesse Glass-McCasker: Jesse played in defence and took time on Lisle and Conroy, who had 1 goal and not much ball between them. He best game for quite a while. He is required in defence at the moment, but I do wonder about his development. He was prepared to run more today.
[6] Kristian Jaksch: will not be with us next year. Doesn't want it enough. Doesn't work enough. Doesn't work hard for his team mates. He played quite well in defence, sharing the Port tall forwards, but he just made too many mistakes didn't put in the extra effort when it is required. Provided nothing as a forward. He got 17 possessions but he hurt with few of them.
[7] Dennis Armfield: Dennis did better than he has done for quite a while. he had a negative job and he did it quite well. He fumbled a bit, but you could see that he was trying to revive the troops and give some leadership. On that effort you would definitely keep him around, but can he replicate the effort?
[8] Rhys Palmer: had 0 possessions in the 3rd quarter, but he did give it a go. Not looking like he is going to get many more senior games on that effort. He is really missing Phillips' ruck dominance, as Korchek and Gorringe don't give him many chances. He will see out his contract, but that is going to be it unless he starts producing more.
[9] Dylan Buckley: one of his poorest games of the year. He couldn't get any space and he leaked goals. Considering how many half decent games he has played, this one would put him back some way.
[10] Paddy Kerr: didn't have a great day, but had relatively few opportunities. The ball did not come down well or quickly. His goal was excellent and he did try, but his tackles get broken too easily. Another couple of pre-seasons will help his strength and endurance.
[11] Liam Sumner: 12 possessions and 1 goal is not enough. Not even close. But it is better than LeBois and Pickett on the day. Missing one late that was pretty easy also hurt us.
[12] Harry McKay: well beaten today by Lucas Cook, which is embarrassing. However, we did Harry no favours in the way we delivered the ball to him. Fev would have recognized the treatment. :( Still, H's hands were not good today and struggled to break contact or to use his strength. I think H would do better in the seniors, as the skill level would give him a better chance of getting the ball, but he isn't producing the 2nd efforts and stuff you really want at the moment either.
[13] Matthew Korchek: we badly lacked in the centre square today where Port's mature mids hurt us, while their ruck stopped Korchek from being able to guide his taps. However, Korchek kept at it and was not our worst. He shared the taps and he gave a contest, but he is still a fair way off what we really need. We will probably give him the 3rd year available to an International Rookie, but he does not look like he is going to be a success.
[14] Billie Smedts: 22 possessions was OK, but this was not his most effective game. His kicking was not what we required. However, he will probably be among the best players. Just.
[15] Daniel Gorringe: not a gifted ruckman, but he was reasonable around the ground. Not 100% fit either, but good enough to play. He provided something, but not enough.
[16] Andrew Gallucci: kicked a couple of goals but didn't have much influence on the game. Won't be there next year.
[17] Cameron Polson: not a great number of possessions, but had a negative role after half time and did it very well, keeping his opponent to 6 possessions for the half. There was promise in this sort of effort, but I'd like to see more positive stuff from him.
And the VFL guys: [1] Cam O'Shea: a strong game from O'Shea. One of our best.
[2] Luke Russell: Not enough early, but stepped up after half time.
[3] Michael Stavrou: another good effort from the young kid. His work in the air is good and his decision making likewise. He was very good in defence and more than worth his spot.
[4] Tom Wilson: not one of his best games, but he got little help from the ruckmen.
[5] Glenn Strachan: solid in defence.
[6] Alex Federico: a 17 year old kid in his 2nd game, he wasn't bad. More effective than a number of Carlton listed players.
AFL Vic Development League 2017 Northern Blues 3.6 4.7 6.10 11.12 (78) Port Melbourne 1.1 5.3 8.5 9.7 (61)
GOALS: Northern Blues: Romero 2 Corboy 2 Jones 2 Jordan 2 Thorpe Payne Stevens Port Melbourne: Renooy 2 Gleeson Waddell Treverton Anastasio Pickess Golby De Soysa
BEST: Northern Blues: Declase Ballard Jones Stevens Thorpe Bolger Port Melbourne: Hayes Golby Renooy Vella Wenn Johnson
A great effort from the youngsters. Time Jones needs to be promoted.
Peter Jackson VFL 2017 Northern Blues 1.1 5.4 6.5 9.9 (63) Port Melbourne 4.3 9.6 9.8 13.8 (86)
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: Baggers on July 08, 2017, 07:33:16 pm
Sheesh, what a hot and cold performance from the side and many players (of course!). We met a very typical G Ayres coached Port, persistent and consistent.
I really felt for H as delivery to him was simply appalling, he was never going to get any confidence through grabbing a few with how it came to him.
One minute I was thrilled by Pickett's dash and dare and skills, then it was either, 'oh no' or 'where is he?'
Casey aint gonna learn much more surrounded by a rabble, time for a recall. His poise will be valued.
I thought Smedts was 'nearly' there. You can see something there. Just have to drill him hard to get quicker and better reflex reactions... at present he has the reaction time of a dinosaur.
Best game I've seen from JG-M for a long while. Showed promising glimpses.
Lucas MK II (Boekhorst) was really good and hopefully will continue to play well so we might actually get a 3rd rounder for him at year's end. 'Tell Baggers he's dreaming'... I hear from the stands.
Kerr shows enough to be cautiously optimistic, you can see the disciplined improvement in his game.
Polson is toughening up nicely.
O'Shea stating a good case for rookie consideration.
Hard to find anything promising with the rest.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: blue4life on July 08, 2017, 07:41:56 pm
Armfield was good, plenty of the usual Denis turnovers but he attacked the ball hard and put in 100% right to the siren.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: laj on July 08, 2017, 07:49:35 pm
We lost 4 in a row now? Where are we on the ladder?
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: pinot on July 08, 2017, 08:03:18 pm
Williamson and ACOS back next week so should strengthen Northern Blues team.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: LoveNavy on July 08, 2017, 08:23:50 pm
Is Crippa's young cousin still playing for us? I think he was in dev side.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: Professer E on July 08, 2017, 08:40:23 pm
Smedts is nothing more than a list clogger. We were stiffed on the Touhy deal. I can't believe how little we got back for what we gave away. Grigg-Collins deal mark II. Black mark against SOS right there but you can't get everything right.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: laj on July 08, 2017, 08:43:45 pm
Smedts is nothing more than a list clogger. We were stiffed on the Touhy deal. I can't believe how little we got back for what we gave away. Grigg-Collins deal mark II. Black mark against SOS right there but you can't get everything right.
Touhy deal gave us the upgrade needed to get Marchbank. We essentially swapped Touhy for Marchbank and Smedts. Smedts was steak knives essentially.
Even allowing for Smedts we did well there. Big time!
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: Professer E on July 08, 2017, 08:45:34 pm
Smedts is chewing up salary cap. Dead wood.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: LP on July 08, 2017, 09:57:03 pm
Which brings me to an important point. We must have money to burn.
Smedts and Palmer are on two year contracts
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: blue4life on July 09, 2017, 10:29:01 am
Smedts isn't the hack some are painting him as in my opinion, he's no gun but he's an honest, competent footballer who can fill injury holes and not be disgraced. Every club who dreams of success needs a pool of at least 28 or 30 players capable of senior football at a reasonable level, as of today Carlton has about 25.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: flyboy77 on July 09, 2017, 10:33:41 am
Smedts can be a very capable player....maybe he's not interested enough, anyone know him or people who know him?
Palmer too i thought would have seen much more senior game time....
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: crashlander on July 09, 2017, 10:40:25 am
Is Crippa's young cousin still playing for us? I think he was in dev side.
Gone back to Perth. At least that was what I heard last. Not on the list any longer.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: Robblues on July 09, 2017, 02:56:23 pm
Reading through Crashes thoughts, not a lot left there to be enthused about. Especially Jakash really has turned out to be a disappointment under 2 coaches now
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: laj on July 09, 2017, 02:59:13 pm
Reading through Crashes thoughts, not a lot left there to be enthused about. Especially Jakash really has turned out to be a disappointment under 2 coaches now
Jaksch played well in the VFL quite often but never got a run. Has a bad attitude, which is probably the reason he hasn't got a run. Bolton won't touch those types. I'm thinking Jaksch has given up now. Has ability but wasted a good career.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: pinot on July 09, 2017, 03:01:52 pm
Jaksch played well in the VFL quite often but never got a run. Has a bad attitude, which is probably the reason he hasn't got a run. Bolton won't touch those types. I'm thinking Jaksch has never given up now. Has ability but wasted a good career.
I reckon he'll be picked up as a delisted free agent or rookied by an AFL club. Malthouse totally screwed this one up.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: northernblue on July 09, 2017, 03:54:03 pm
Agree at this stage....not sure what his problem is as he has the tools to be a good footballer, saw him at U18 level and he could play both ends, take good marks and a couple of times he played for GWS that I watched he was ok... Doesnt seem interested for long periods and gives no second or 3rd efforts.....
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: Jeffy38 on July 10, 2017, 08:54:38 am
Interesting that Bolton is now getting asked about McKay at pressers. Feel pressure is building on the young man which makes it even more surprising he appears to lack intensity and effort in the last few weeks.
Perhaps he is tired and needs to be rested
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: flyboy77 on July 10, 2017, 09:47:38 am
There must be a psych test that can test players' 'hunger'?
Some just simply don't have it, no matter their natural ability or physical attributes....
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: Pratty on July 10, 2017, 10:13:59 am
I think Smedts and Palmer are the least of our worries. They aren't in our best 22, they'll probably be with us as basically VFL players for experience in 2018 and then be gone. I've got no issue with that whatsoever.
The big one is this upcoming trade/FA/draft period. Well another critical one anyway...
Josh Kelly and Jacob Hopper have to be in our sights surely. Are we after a Dusty Martin as a FA?
Will Gibbs go back to SA, and the Crows? If he does, I'm would say thankyou, very sincerely for his services and for an outstanding leadership and playing role he has produced thus far in 2017. He's been outstanding! What a pro!
Are we into any KPP's? Lever? McGovern? Gunston? Lobb?
Will Casboult go?
For me the delistings include:
Buckley Boekhorst Sumner Jaksch Gorringe Armfield White
What of the future of Thomas? 50/50 IMO. Open to him staying. Just depends on who comes and goes IMHO.
Lamb plays a bit of a niggle/pressure/tagging half-forward role now. Suits him IMO, and I'd like to explore that for the rest of the year, before making a call on his playing future.
Lebois??? Benefit of the doubt in his 1st year and with his injuries, but he'd want to show something or he's gone. Horrible yet again on Saturday in the VFL. I didn't even know he was playing!
Of the rookies, we should keep Alex Silvagni and Sheehan.
I am open to keeping Glass-McCasker and Korcheck. Reckon JGM showed a bit on the weekend. Korcheck, I just wonder if he'll get there. After all, we want him to become a bona-fide AFL ruckman.
Delist Gallucci.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: blue4life on July 10, 2017, 11:29:24 am
Korcheck, I just wonder if he'll get there. After all, we want him to become a bona-fide AFL ruckman.
We need to give Korchek another year I reckon. Gorringe is no good at all and Phillips is injury prone and doesn't have much body strength, if Kreuzer goes down we're sunk. Korchek is a helluva big unit and doesn't mind throwing his weight around, if he can genuinely pick up the game in the next twelve months he'll be good value.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: Pratty on July 10, 2017, 11:31:14 am
We need to give Korchek another year I reckon. Gorringe is no good at all and Phillips is injury prone and doesn't have much body strength, if Kreuzer goes down we're sunk. Korchek is a helluva big unit and doesn't mind throwing his weight around, if he can genuinely pick up the game in the next twelve months he'll be good value.
As a Cat B rookie, don't think it hurts to give him a 3rd year. Tough only into his 2nd year. He's improved.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: flyboy77 on July 10, 2017, 11:35:45 am
I think Smedts and Palmer are the least of our worries. They aren't in our best 22, they'll probably be with us as basically VFL players for experience in 2018 and then be gone. I've got no issue with that whatsoever.
The big one is this upcoming trade/FA/draft period. Well another critical one anyway...
Josh Kelly and Jacob Hopper have to be in our sights surely. Are we after a Dusty Martin as a FA?
Will Gibbs go back to SA, and the Crows? If he does, I'm would say thankyou, very sincerely for his services and for an outstanding leadership and playing role he has produced thus far in 2017. He's been outstanding! What a pro!
Are we into any KPP's? Lever? McGovern? Gunston? Lobb?
Will Casboult go?
For me the delistings include:
Buckley Boekhorst Sumner Jaksch Gorringe Armfield White
What of the future of Thomas? 50/50 IMO. Open to him staying. Just depends on who comes and goes IMHO.
Lamb plays a bit of a niggle/pressure/tagging half-forward role now. Suits him IMO, and I'd like to explore that for the rest of the year, before making a call on his playing future.
Lebois??? Benefit of the doubt in his 1st year and with his injuries, but he'd want to show something or he's gone. Horrible yet again on Saturday in the VFL. I didn't even know he was playing!
Of the rookies, we should keep Alex Silvagni and Sheehan.
I am open to keeping Glass-McCasker and Korcheck. Reckon JGM showed a bit on the weekend. Korcheck, I just wonder if he'll get there. After all, we want him to become a bona-fide AFL ruckman.
Delist Gallucci.
I guess how many we off is also function of who we pick up - in the various drafts and through trading?
Graham safe, solid back up. imho.
Disappointed Sumner hasn't cut it - had high hopes...
Will Boeky keep a spot by default if he keeps hitting 35+ possies?
ditto White as a back up?
He played very well against the Crows.
I'd be looking very hard at that WA full forward fellow - Saunders - unlikely to cost much...can play. Would clearly do very well at VFL level and maybe at the elite level...
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: blue4life on July 10, 2017, 11:37:00 am
As a Cat B rookie, don't think it hurts to give him a 3rd year. Tough only into his 2nd year. He's improved.
Definitely. His ruck work is already way ahead of Gorringe but he doesn't get involved in general play much, that's what he needs to work on.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 10, 2017, 12:02:15 pm
Korchek...no idea really about AFL footy...delist Sheehan, good kick, but injury prone and needs selective opponents IMO...gone Sumner...skills are ok but doesnt find enough footy..delist. Lamb....at this stage he might get another year as he has shown a bit of mongrel in his last few games... Gorringe....bruise free footballer....gone Philips....good value IMO...skills are ok but can get injured... Armfield...been a goer but is more value in a off field role. Boekhorst...not suited to the hard physical take no prisoners approach of AFL footy...delist. Simon White...done well to play as many games as he has but with Alex Silvagni offering more I'd move him on...butchers the ball too much. Graham....good VFL player and can be handy at AFL level but dont see any major upside.. Jaksch...about as intense as a maccas soft serve on a 40 degree day...gone Thomas...probably will get the extra year.. Smedts....list fill Palmer...can be handy and probably deserved more senior games but will only play out his contract as backup. Buckley....hasnt matured physically and we can only have so many small bodies on the list, doesnt do enough even in the VFL... Lebois...skills are good but looks like a schoolboy in terms of body size...one more year maybe Gallucci...back to Willy...
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: kruddler on July 10, 2017, 12:09:26 pm
Korchek...no idea really about AFL footy...delist Sheehan, good kick, but injury prone and needs selective opponents IMO...gone Sumner...skills are ok but doesnt find enough footy..delist. Lamb....at this stage he might get another year as he has shown a bit of mongrel in his last few games... Gorringe....bruise free footballer....gone Philips....good value IMO...skills are ok but can get injured... Armfield...been a goer but is more value in a off field role. Boekhorst...not suited to the hard physical take no prisoners approach of AFL footy...delist. Simon White...done well to play as many games as he has but with Alex Silvagni offering more I'd move him on...butchers the ball too much. Graham....good VFL player and can be handy at AFL level but dont see any major upside.. Jaksch...about as intense as a maccas softer serve on a 40 degree day...gone Thomas...probably will get the extra year.. Smedts....list fill Palmer...can be handy and probably deserved more senior games but will only play out his contract as backup. Buckley....hasnt matured physically and we can only have so many small bodies on the list, doesnt do enough even in the VFL... Lebois...skills are good but looks like a schoolboy in terms of body size...one more year maybe Gallucci...back to Willy...
My thoughts. 4 stay (green) 4 go (red) of the 9 others (orange) we keep about half as required to balance the list.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: Thryleon on July 10, 2017, 12:24:59 pm
Touhy deal gave us the upgrade needed to get Marchbank. We essentially swapped Touhy for Marchbank and Smedts. Smedts was steak knives essentially.
Even allowing for Smedts we did well there. Big time!
At this rate, we better start calling them the Northern Steak Knives.....
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: townsendcalling on July 12, 2017, 06:27:49 pm
Josh Fraser "48. Kristian Jaksch Stats: 16 disposals, 7 marks, 3 rebound 50s From the coach: We’re trying to work really hard on his work-rate away from the contest and how he can impact the game through his positioning defensively. He competed really well in the contest: the next step is ensuring he’s proactive when the ball is away from his area at all times. "
Is that simply code for 'The guy is lazy!' Make way for a kid who will have a crack.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 12, 2017, 06:34:19 pm
My take on it is similar, although I think it will also depend on our trade deals.
If Gibbs goes, Armfield could stay as cover. Gorringe might be another we persist with simply through lack of other ruck options.
Gorringe needs the Liam Jones makeover treatment in a different position or he is finished as an AFL player IMO...too soft and his ruck skills are very novice like......
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 12, 2017, 06:38:06 pm
Josh Fraser "48. Kristian Jaksch Stats: 16 disposals, 7 marks, 3 rebound 50s From the coach: We’re trying to work really hard on his work-rate away from the contest and how he can impact the game through his positioning defensively. He competed really well in the contest: the next step is ensuring he’s proactive when the ball is away from his area at all times. "
Is that simply code for 'The guy is lazy!' Make way for a kid who will have a crack.
I'd play Jaksch in the ruck this week....played about 5 mins in one game I saw and his skills were surprisingly ok....playing in the ruck means he has to track the ball, think and work.....
Title: Re: VFL Rd 12: Northern Blues vs Port Melbourne
Post by: kruddler on July 12, 2017, 08:01:09 pm
Josh Fraser "48. Kristian Jaksch Stats: 16 disposals, 7 marks, 3 rebound 50s From the coach: We’re trying to work really hard on his work-rate away from the contest and how he can impact the game through his positioning defensively. He competed really well in the contest: the next step is ensuring he’s proactive when the ball is away from his area at all times. " Is that simply code for 'The guy is lazy!' Make way for a kid who will have a crack.
Yep. There was a classic scene in the first (?) episode of The Journey in which Neil Craig was hounding him during pre-season about pushing hard during one of the running drills. He needs to be pushed because he is incapable or unwilling to of push himself.