NORTHERN BLUES v. FOOTSCRAY
Round 16 – 05/08/2017
11:00AM IKON Park
Northern Blues
B: 59. C. Byrne, 13. C. O’Shea, 45. M. Blakey
HB: 47. C. Sheehan, 34. J. Glass-McCasker, 70. H. Macreadie
C: 8. L. Russell, 12. Z. Ballard, 57. F. Pearce
HF: 55. L. Sumner, 48. K. Jaksch, 7. D. Buckley
F: 76. K. LeBois, 25. K. Keppel, 56. A. Gallucci
R: 80. M. Korcheck, 24. R. Palmer, 1. T. Wilson
Int: 4. S. Russell, 11. T. Jones, 40. M. Stavrou, 6. G. Strachan, 3. K. Declase, 28. M. Harman, 30. S. Bolger, 20. D. Stevens
23P: 54. M. Romero
In: M. Romero, M. Harman, Z. Ballard, F. Pearce, C. Byrne, D. Buckley, M. Stavrou, S. Bolger, T. Jones, H. Macreadie
Out: D. Gorringe, B. Smedts, N. Graham, J. Pickett, B. Boekhorst, D. Armfield
Our midfield is looking pretty ordinary.
Footscray
B: 32. K. Collins, 18. F. Roberts, 28. J. Prudden
HB: 20. J. Dunkley, 40. N. Mullenger-Mchugh, 30. F. Greene
C: 58. M. Goodyear, 5. M. Boyd, 27. P. Lipinski
HF: 54. N. Jamieson, 53. B. Gowers, 61. L. Nash
F: 60. A. Tashevski-Beckwith, 51. L. Dalgleish, 55. A. Greenwood
R: 44. T. English, 56. W. Hayes, 26. D. Hamilton
Int: 63. N. Ryan, 66. A. Bruhn, 69. N. De Steiger, 73. T. Short, 64. J. Foster, 72. G. Hamilton, 68. A. Barry, 71. A. Panayi
23P: 70. J. Smith
In: J. Dunkley, P. Lipinski, J. Smith, M. Goodyear, F. Greene, M. Boyd
Out: J. Shea, J. Russell
NORTHERN BLUES v. PORT MELBOURNE
Round 16 – 05/08/2017
02:00PM IKON Park
Northern Blues
B: 22. C. McCabe, 41. S. Glover, 71. D. Costanzo
HB: 6. G. Strachan, 3. K. Declase, 64. J. O’Brien
C: 38. B. Malual, 40. M. Stavrou, 23. C. Adams
HF: 53. H. Payne, 16. J. Thorpe, 78. M. Walson
F: 9. J. Corboy, 63. R. Maibaum, 52. S. Fowler
R: 30. S. Bolger, 11. T. Jones, 20. D. Stevens
Int: 61. M. Burt, 33. M. Dawson, 79. J. Duscher, 75. J. Rafferty, 46. J. Bradley, 17. S. Peet, 66. D. Costigan, 69. M. Gleeson, 44. W. Krithararis
Port Melbourne
B: 12. J. Tynan, 64. H. Johnson, 24. M. Hayes
HB: 71. D. Houghton, 42. T. Knowles, 8. D. Van Unen
C: 37. H. Hooper, 38. D. Iaccarino, 66. A. Krakauer
HF: 35. E. Templeton, 61. S. De Soysa, 18. M. Wooffindin
F: 53. J. Gleeson, 47. M. Wenn, 17. A. Urban
R: 49. C. Carey, 30. B. Murdoch, 9. B. Hogan
Int: 65. J. Pullan, 13. T. Gordon, 41. R. Hogan, 1. M. Rivett, 22. M. Arnot, 14. I. Conway, 62. W. Goss, 46. M. Tang, 39. K. Dove, 69. C. Searle, 50. S. Michael, 28. R. Nahas, 45. J. O’Brien
In: J. Tynan, J. O’Brien, E. Templeton, B. Murdoch, M. Arnot, I. Conway, C. Searle, T. Gordon, R. Nahas, M. Tang, M. Rivett, D. Van Unen
Out: M. Golby, A. Vella, K. Haretuku, J. Johnson
What's Byrne doing in the VFL???????
What's Byrne doing in the VFL???????
Getting fit. His groin was cactus the last time he played seniors. Id say we are nursing him through the rest of the year, and having another look at our potential discards. He will survive the cull, and there isnt much left to play for, although he could be a late in.
Getting fit. His groin was cactus the last time he played seniors. Id say we are nursing him through the rest of the year, and having another look at our potential discards. He will survive the cull, and there isnt much left to play for, although he could be a late in.
We've signed him until the end of 2019.
We've signed him until the end of 2019.
Yes, didn't he get re-signed earlier this season?
Yes, didn't he get re-signed earlier this season?
Yes.
What he needs more than anything is senior games and with the season shot I can't understand why he's not in the ones.
What's to gain by having him run around on cow paddocks?
Yes.
What he needs more than anything is senior games and with the season shot I can't understand why he's not in the ones.
What's to gain by having him run around on cow paddocks?
Maybe they think the intensity, speed and relentlessness repetitive running at AFL level will be detrimental to his recovery.
That's really the big difference between AFL and all other levels, at AFL there is no moment to recover or recuperate.
Maybe they think the intensity, speed and relentlessness repetitive running at AFL level will be detrimental to his recovery.
That's really the big difference between AFL and all other levels, at AFL there is no moment to recover or recuperate.
So give him less time on the ground, it's not as if we have any chance of winning.
So give him less time on the ground, it's not as if we have any chance of winning.
I think we are a good chance of winning both games this weekend.
So give him less time on the ground, it's not as if we have any chance of winning.
Sometimes the best way to make sure a player doesn't over do it is to simply not play them. Two injuries can change things dramatically and like I said before we need to assess our potential discards.
If you haven't played many games lately and start getting games now get worried.
I think we are a good chance of winning both games this weekend.
I think we are about a 10% chance of beating Essendon, our VFL midfield will consist of Palmer and Wilson with Korchek the sole ruckman so Footscray will need to be pretty hopeless
We lead 33-31 near half time. Jaksch has 2.
EDIT: That's half time.
We lead by 20pts. 59-39. Jaksch 3. Mid 3rd qtr
Byrne 17 touches to half time!
NB's now a couple in front, it could be a miracle coming up.
Another goal. lead 65-39. Jaskch 4.
We won't lose from here, great effort with a depleted side.
3 qtr time. We lead 65-39.
Dogs coming hard. Getting to the half way point of the last qtr and we lead by just 4pts, 65-61.
I spoke too soon. >:(
I spoke too soon. >:(
We're a point behind.
7 points now, still a good effort with what we had on the park.
Lost 80-67. Dogs kicked 6.5 to 0.2 in the last qtr.
Well the Dogs switched on their game plan at will, we were never a serious threat and the Dogs coach would be very unhappy with players only making an effort when it was required!
I suppose this is why their seniors are in the position they are in!
We had Palmer, Sumner, Buckley and a semi fit Byrne as our only players with any AFL experience to speak of, Macredie is in his first season and Jaksch hasn't cut it at senior level, Sheehan has only played a few games.
Realistically Footscray would have needed to be a basket case.
We had Palmer, Sumner, Buckley and a semi fit Byrne as our only players with any AFL experience to speak of, Macredie is in his first season and Jaksch hasn't cut it at senior level, Sheehan has only played a few games.
Realistically Footscray would have needed to be a basket case.
In Jaksch defence he doesn't play at senior level for us to find out if he can cut it. Probably due to his bad attitude.
Whatever issues Jaksch has , he's a mobile goal kicking tall Forward which we are desperate for.
Surly the club could council, support and better manger players with challenges and difficulties , surely how difficult and serious can it be?
Another 4 goal haul and not mention of his effort.
Whatever issues Jaksch has , he's a mobile goal kicking tall Forward which we are desperate for.
Surly the club could council, support and better manger players with challenges and difficulties , surely how difficult and serious can it be?
Another 4 goal haul and not mention of his effort.
Although I'm not claiming an insight, it could very well be he doesn't want to play for us.
He might end up out of the AFL completely at this rate.
In Jaksch defence he doesn't play at senior level for us to find out if he can cut it. Probably due to his bad attitude.
He didn't cut it at GWS and he's shown precious little in his 6 or 8 senior games at Carlton.
I'm all for giving him a last chance to prove himself but I'm not confident that he can, I think it comes down to a basic lack of ability.
AFL Vic Development League 2017
Northern Blues 1.3 3.5 7.6 12.9 (81)
Port Melbourne 3.3 6.6 12.10 13.17 (95)
GOALS:
Northern Blues: Fowler 4 Thorpe 2 Corboy 2 Walson Gleeson Strachan Jones
Port Melbourne: Nahas 3 Gleeson 3 Iaccarino 2 Hogan 2 Gordon Searle De Soysa
BEST:
Northern Blues: Bolger Fowler Glover Costigan Rafferty Thorpe
Port Melbourne: Wooffindin Gleeson Urban Gordon Van Unen Nahas
Another case where half a team (our's) almost gets there against a raging favourite. That makes 3 out of 3 this weekend.
Peter Jackson VFL 2017
Northern Blues 1.2 5.3 10.5 10.7 (67)
Footscray 2.1 5.1 6.3 12.8 (80)
GOALS:
Northern Blues: Jaksch 4 Sumner 2 Gallucci Declase Ballard LeBois
Footscray: Gowers 3 Roberts 2 Jamieson Dunkley Lipinski Goodyear Dalgleish Nash Greene
BEST:
Northern Blues: Wilson Russell Palmer Byrne Blakey O'Shea
Footscray: Gowers Hayes Dunkley Dalgleish Roberts English
I note with interest (and no small amount of irritation) that Gowers was the best for the Dogs.
I also note that, while Jaksch kicked 4 goals, he was NOT named among the best players.
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Ciaran Byrne played 3 quarters only, as he was being 'managed'. Not how many possessions he got in his 3 quarters. He did not go off injured. That is the sort of form that made him stick out last year.
Interesting that Gowers was named best with 4 possessions.
Glass McCasker had 12 possessions until he went off injured. Must have been having one of his better games until then.
LeBois had 7 possessions and 1 goal in what was described by some as his best game in our colours.
Amazing stats for Byrne, surely he'll play seniors next week.
Good numbers also for Buckley including 9 tackles which is very encouraging, maybe he's not quite done and dusted.
He didn't cut it at GWS and he's shown precious little in his 6 or 8 senior games at Carlton.
I'm all for giving him a last chance to prove himself but I'm not confident that he can, I think it comes down to a basic lack of ability.
Regarding Jaksch; I don't think he is bereft of ability - I just think he has limitations that our team cannot conceal and he could be an effective lead-up forward under different circumstances.
He has decent hands and can take a clean one-grab mark; he just struggles against any serious defensive pressure. He is also a pretty good kick for goal.
Everyone says big guys take longer and he is a few years younger than Jones so, although I am a long way from being a fan, I wouldn't mind if we kept him on the list for another season.
Amazing stats for Byrne, surely he'll play seniors next week.
Good numbers also for Buckley including 9 tackles which is very encouraging, maybe he's not quite done and dusted.
Yes, I can't imagine how a defender can only lay one tackle in four quarters of footy ;)
Palmer would seem to be the most deserving of a spot in the seniors but I think he'd have to be very lucky.
Palmer kicked a stack on goals in the seconds for GWS...but any mid who plays for Carlton/NBS seems to lose that ability?
Josh Dunkley anyone? contracted till end 2019 but where there's a will...?
Good size, can play....send them Jaksch and Graham?!
Palmer kicked a stack on goals in the seconds for GWS...but any mid who plays for Carlton/NBS seems to lose that ability?
Josh Dunkley anyone? contracted till end 2019 but where there's a will...?
Good size, can play....send them Jaksch and Graham?!
Would Dunkley be available? I thought he was only out due to injury and would be a required player at the Dogs?
Palmer kicked a stack on goals in the seconds for GWS...but any mid who plays for Carlton/NBS seems to lose that ability?
Josh Dunkley anyone? contracted till end 2019 but where there's a will...?
Good size, can play....send them Jaksch and Graham?!
Agree...looked at his name in the Bulldogs twos and then remembered his finals series and cant figure out why he cant get a game.....I'd be asking him does he want to play seniors
every week and be part of a rebuilding team under a coach who values the type of blue collar worker he is....
Regarding Jaksch; I don't think he is bereft of ability - I just think he has limitations that our team cannot conceal and he could be an effective lead-up forward under different circumstances.
He has decent hands and can take a clean one-grab mark; he just struggles against any serious defensive pressure. He is also a pretty good kick for goal.
Everyone says big guys take longer and he is a few years younger than Jones so, although I am a long way from being a fan, I wouldn't mind if we kept him on the list for another season.
Thing with Jaksch is he doesn't have the same upside that Jones has/had.
He is shorter, less agile, slower and appears to have less of a tank.
I'd prefer to keep Gorringe than Jaksch for the same reasons.
Thing with Jaksch is he doesn't have the same upside that Jones has/had.
He is shorter, less agile, slower and appears to have less of a tank.
I'd prefer to keep Gorringe than Jaksch for the same reasons.
How do you know what upside Jaksch has and, apart from RR, who really knew that Jones had an upside? Jaksch hasn't really shown much, apart from those first few games when he seemed equally at home in defence or the forward line.
I have been very critical of Jaksch's inability to play with the intensity necessary at AFL level but, if it came down to a choice between Gorringe and Jaksch, I'd keep Jaksch.
How do you know what upside Jaksch has and, apart from RR, who really knew that Jones had an upside? Jaksch hasn't really shown much, apart from those first few games when he seemed equally at home in defence or the forward line.
I have been very critical of Jaksch's inability to play with the intensity necessary at AFL level but, if it came down to a choice between Gorringe and Jaksch, I'd keep Jaksch.
x2....Gorringe is too bruise free for my liking and cant ruck...
X3 Gorringe could be something, but isnt anything at the moment aside from a tall athletic player who struggles to get on the park consistently.
Jaksch looks like he has the tools to be a footballer. At the moment, we are doing ourselves no favours by not playing him. He got a game or two for Malthouse early on and looked up to the standard.
Gorringe doesnt even if he is more competitive in the contest.
I'd prefer to keep Gorringe than Jaksch for the same reasons.
Why keep either? One's a glass man and the other is one-dimensional. Let them both go.
Why keep either? One's a glass man and the other is one-dimensional. Let them both go.
if the replacements are better options, of course!
if the replacements are better options, of course!
Therein lies Silvagni's task for 2017: come up with better than what we have.
I'm not so sure that we are going to make as many changes as we have in the last couple of years, simply because the depth in this year's talent pool just doesn't look to be there.
The ruck pickings are looking pretty light on, but we really MUST recruit someone who can ruck better than Gorringe or Korchek.
There may not be a decent key position player who can replace Jaksch, but I am comfortable there will be some kids who want it more and who are willing to work for it more.
Pity about Jaksch, he clearly had/has all the talent in the world.... is there any hint of MH problems?
Pity about Jaksch, he clearly had/has all the talent in the world.... is there any hint of MH problems?
With all the focus on mental health at the moment, one would hope it would have been detected by now.
Why keep either? One's a glass man and the other is one-dimensional. Let them both go.
I would let them both go.
But if i had a magical wand and gave both of them the hunger/desire to succeed, based on their athletic prowess, Gorringe would be the better option. Quicker, more agile and taller than Jaksch.
Just pointing out the attributes he has are harder to find (like Liam Jones) and if a risk was to pay off, you'd get a bigger return from Gorringe.
Again, i'm not advocating either, they both should go.
Pity about Jaksch, he clearly had/has all the talent in the world.... is there any hint of MH problems?
No. Jaksch problem is he is not good enough to play AFL.
Pure and simple.