SoJ is dead to me.
Reports were his form didn't warrant selection and he proved it, so from now on I'll just assume nepotism rules the Carlton MC. His game tonight was worse than Casboult, and that coming from me means something!
How would you feel if you were Kerridge or Kerr watching that sh1te and knowing you couldn't get a game? Why would you bother, which is sort of related to the way the NBs have been playing!
Mate, we don't have 22 blokes on the list whose form warrant selection.
I doubt we'd even have double figures!
Why pick on him?
Time to play McKay, Kerr and Jack together and at least try and score some goals......I'd run Jones on the ball as a follower and have Rowe in to play FB.....
SoJ is dead to me.
Reports were his form didn't warrant selection and he proved it, so from now on I'll just assume nepotism rules the Carlton MC. His game tonight was worse than Casboult, and that coming from me means something!
How would you feel if you were Kerridge or Kerr watching that sh1te and knowing you couldn't get a game? Why would you bother, which is sort of related to the way the NBs have been playing!
NAtanui will carve up Kreuzer, I like the concept of running Jones on ball to at least give something different.
Kerr and McKay up forward for structure, Kerridge as a runner to go with Shuey, LoB for Gaff.
LeCras is smart but slow and soft....Plowman?
Kennedy is the worry. If he gets decent delivery he'll kick 15.
So the sun came up this morning, along with abit of drizzle here in Melbourne town. As bad as that was to watch last night, I think as supporters, we owe it to the boys to support them this week and back em in. We might not think that, we might not think they deserve it, but we must. They are hurting as mush we are, we might not think it but they are. We all need to get back on the horse and front up next week. There is an opportunity to redeem ourselves, so roll up the collective sleeves as there is no other option.
Go Blues.
Is everyone on board?
If there are dissenters what weight and influence do they carry within the playing group?
Week in and week out four of our best five are our senior players so I don't think there is any dissent among the playing group.
It's simply that much of the talent that we have is raw and the run of the mill players that we've surrounded them with (Casboult, Mullet, Lamb, Kennedy, Graham etc.) aren't good enough.
We won't see any real improvement and consistency until our youngsters have another 40 games in them and we've been able to replace some or all of our scrubbers.
I have no idea if there's any issues among the players, and disagree on Kennedy, but agree on everything else.
Week in and week out four of our best five are our senior players so I don't think there is any dissent among the playing group.
It's simply that much of the talent that we have is raw and the run of the mill players that we've surrounded them with (Casboult, Mullet, Lamb, Kennedy, Graham etc.) aren't good enough.
We won't see any real improvement and consistency until our youngsters have another 40 games in them and we've been able to replace some or all of our scrubbers.
I need to see a few more tricks from Kennedy before I'm convinced that he's anything more than an honest battler, he's the bloke you recruit when you can't get Mitchell, O'Meara, Treloar, Dangerfield or Kelly.
Our midfield last night consisted of Cripps, a couple of triers and a couple of green as grass kids, that won't win many games of AFL football.
Issue is, if the players aren't putting in any fair dinkum effort at all then there is a problem far removed from ability. We've had one period since 2001 where this hasn't been an issue at some stage, 2008-13 and we there got hamstrung theren having Wayne Hughes as our recruiter. As Lods said, what is happening within the dynamics of the club
2008-2012 was a disaster for the club and one of the major reasons we are where we are today, and before anyone gets defensive of Ratten I'm not blaming him for it, or at least not entirely although he would have had some say in the trades we made you would reckon.
Of all the players drafted or traded in during that period only Graham and Rowe remain on our list, in effect it's a lost five years.
2008-2012 was a disaster for the club and one of the major reasons we are where we are today, and before anyone gets defensive of Ratten I'm not blaming him for it, or at least not entirely although he would have had some say in the trades we made you would reckon.
Of all the players drafted or traded in during that period only Graham and Rowe remain on our list, in effect it's a lost five years.
At the moment the confidence of the group is low and even our better players find themselves under pressure and making mistakes, but when you remove Docherty, Gibbs and Murphy from a team which finished 16th last year results like last night are more or less inevitable in the short term.
Recruiting-wise it was a real disaster for the club and hurt badly. If only we had SOS in those days. You could talk flags then. your recruiter the most important man in the club. Coach is important but you can change those. Recruiter mistakes hurt for years.
I think you need to review those facts!
No other players come to mind LP but I'll stand corrected.
Edit: Ed Curnow as well, and while Ed has a red hot go you'd hardly build a Premiership side around him, Rowey or Nick Graham.
| Selection Drafted-player Afl-club Club-of-origin Draft-year 3 Paddy Dow Carlton 2017 10 Lochie O'Brien Carlton 2017 30 Tom De Koning Carlton 2017 70 Angus Schumacher Carlton 2017 78 Jarrod Garlett Carlton 2017 6 Sam Petrevski-Seton Carlton Claremont 2016 27 Zac Fisher Carlton Perth 2016 47 Harrison Macreadie Carlton Henty 2016 59 Cameron Polson Carlton Sandringham U18 2016 61 Tom Williamson Carlton North Ballarat U18 2016 65 Pat Kerr Carlton Oakleigh U18 2016 1 Jacob Weitering Carlton Mount Eliza 2015 10 Harry McKay Carlton Gippsland U18 2015 12 Charlie Curnow Carlton Geelong U18 2015 23 David Cunningham Carlton Oakleigh U18 2015 53 Jack Silvagni Carlton Oakleigh U18 2015 19 Blaine Boekhorst Carlton Swan Districts 2014 28 Dillon Viojo-Rainbow Carlton Western U18 2014 60 Clem Smith Carlton Perth 2014 63 Jayden Foster Carlton Calder U18 2014 71 Not utilised Carlton 2014 82 Not utilised Carlton 2014 13 Patrick Cripps Carlton East Fremantle 2013 39 Cameron Giles Carlton Woodville-West Torrens 2013 51 Nick Holman Carlton Murray U18 2013 67 Not utilised Carlton 2013 79 Not utilised Carlton 2013 89 Ed Curnow* Carlton Carlton Rookies 2013 94 Tom Bell* Carlton Carlton Rookies 2013 11 Troy Menzel Carlton Central District 2012 35 Tom Temay Carlton Sandringham U18 2012 54 Nick Graham Carlton Gippsland U18 2012 69 Not utilised Carlton 2012 74 Not utilised Carlton 2012 89 Levi Casboult* Carlton Carlton 2012 102 Zach Tuohy* Carlton Carlton 2012 22 Josh Bootsma Carlton South Fremantle 2011 44 Sam Rowe Carlton Norwood 2011 62 Dylan Buckley Carlton Northern U18 2011 18 Matthew Watson Carlton Calder U18 2010 34 Patrick McCarthy Carlton Glenelg 2010 42 Luke Mitchell Carlton Calder U18 2010 67 Andrew McInnes Carlton Dandenong U18 2010 70 Nick Duigan Carlton Norwood 2010 85 Jeff Garlett* Carlton Carlton 2010 99 David Ellard* Carlton Carlton 2010 108 Simon White* Carlton Carlton 2010 12 Kane Lucas Carlton East Fremantle 2009 43 Marcus Davies Carlton Tasmania U18 2009 59 Rohan Kerr Carlton Dandenong U18 2009 72 Sam Jacobs* Carlton Carlton 2009 83 Aaron Joseph* Carlton Tasmania U18 2009 6 Chris Yarran Carlton Swan Districts 2008 40 Mitch Robinson Carlton Tasmania U18 2008 65 Rhys O'Keeffe Carlton North Adelaide 2008 80 Caleb Tiller Carlton Murray U18 2008 85 Not utilised Carlton 2008 1 Matthew Kreuzer Carlton Northern U18 2007 36 Steven Browne Carlton West Perth 2007 46 Dennis Armfield Carlton Swan Districts 2007 65 Not utilised Carlton 2007 1 Bryce Gibbs Carlton Glenelg 2006 17 Shaun Hampson Carlton Mt Gravatt 2006 19 Shaun Grigg Carlton North Ballarat U18 2006 35 Mark Austin Carlton Glenelg 2006 51 Clinton Benjamin Carlton Claremont 2006 67 Joe Anderson Carlton Darwin 2006 81 Not utilised Carlton 2006 1 Marc Murphy Carlton Oakleigh U18 2005 4 Josh J. Kennedy Carlton East Fremantle 2005 20 Paul Bower Carlton Peel Thunder 2005 36 Jake Edwards Carlton Western U18 2005 64 Not utilised Carlton 2005 9 Jordan Russell Carlton West Adelaide 2004 25 Adam Hartlett Carlton West Adelaide 2004 41 Luke Blackwell Carlton Swan Districts 2004 73 Chris Bryan Carlton Frankston 2004 77 Anthony Raso Carlton Dandenong U18 2004 78 Not utilised Carlton 2004 2 Andrew Walker Carlton Bendigo U18 2003 57 Ricky Mott Carlton Fremantle rookies 2003 63 Glen Bowyer Carlton Hawthorn 2003 69 Jordan Bannister Carlton Essendon 2003 72 Adrian Deluca Carlton Port Melbourne 2003 75 Stephen Kenna Carlton Box Hill Hawks 2003 78 Not utilised Carlton 2003 80 Not utilised Carlton 2003 45 Kade Simpson Carlton Eastern U18 2002 60 Cameron Croad Carlton Oakleigh U18 2002 72 Brad Fisher Carlton Eastern U18 2002 79 Karl Norman Carlton Wangaratta Rovers 2002 84 Mick Martyn Carlton North Melbourne 2002 39 Justin Davies Carlton Murray U18 2001 46 Jarrad Waite Carlton Murray U18 2001 75 Sam Cranage Carlton Carlton 2001 84 Not utilised Carlton 2001 4 Luke Livingston Carlton Bendigo U18 2000 11 Trent Sporn Carlton North Adelaide 2000 15 Simon Wiggins Carlton Tasmania U18 2000 31 Blake Campbell Carlton Murray U18 2000 46 Sean O'Keeffe Carlton Murray U18 2000 61 Callan Beasy Carlton Bendigo U18 2000 60 Richard Kelly Carlton Perth 1999 73 Ryan Houlihan Carlton Murray U18 1999 80 Jeremy Dukes Carlton Prahran U18 1999 86 Trent Hotton Carlton East Burwood 1999 90 Andrew Merrington Carlton St Bernards 1999 92 Adam Mathews Carlton Murray U18 1999 93 Joe Allen Carlton Gippsland U18 1999 6 Murray Vance Carlton Murray U18 1998 38 Brendan Fevola Carlton Dandenong U18 1998 58 Ian Prendergast Carlton Oakleigh U18 1998 67 Brett Backwell Carlton West Brisbane Lions 1998 78 Not utilised Carlton 1998 87 Not utilised Carlton 1998 7 Kris Massie Carlton Dandenong U18 1997 23 Adam Chatfield Carlton NSW-ACT U18 1997 55 Craig Black Carlton Dandenong U18 1997 70 Trent Hoppner Carlton Preston U18 1997 80 John Hynes Carlton Prahran U18 1997 83 Ben J. Thompson Carlton Kedron Grange 1997 38 Sam Smart Carlton Norwood 1996 52 Damien Lock Carlton Bendigo U18 1996 74 Chris Jackson Carlton NSW-ACT U18 1996 81 Anthony Franchina Carlton Carlton Reserves 1996 62 Adrian Burdon Carlton Tasmania U18 1995 63 Jacob Anstey Carlton Tuggeranong 1995 69 Daniel Marshall Carlton Dandenong-Southern U18 1995 15 Scott Camporeale Carlton Woodville-West Torrens 1994 33 Mark Cullen Carlton Eastern U18 1994 41 Adam White Carlton Eastern U18 1994 67 Tony Bourke Carlton Ballarat U18 1994 79 Aaron Hamill Carlton Tuggeranong 1994 89 David Nicholson Carlton Western U18 1994 18 Simon Beaumont Carlton Central U18 1993 48 Matthew Hopkins Carlton West Adelaide 1993 13 Andrew McKay Carlton Glenelg 1992 43 Adrian Whitehead Carlton Wodonga 1992 58 Chris Peel Carlton Swan Districts 1992 61 Luke Rayner Carlton Geelong U18 1992 73 Tony Plim Carlton Golden Square 1992 88 Troy Bond Carlton Port Adelaide (SANFL) 1992 103 Ben Harrison Carlton Devonport 1992 118 Scott Spalding Carlton Perth 1992 18 Matthew Hogg Carlton Western Bulldogs 1991 28 Cale O'Keefe Carlton South Launceston 1991 44 Brett Sholl Carlton North Melbourne 1991 54 Leigh Snooks Carlton Derinallum 1991 57 Anthony McDonald Carlton Carlton 1991 78 Matthew Dickson Carlton Sandhurst 1991 79 Bevan Smillie Carlton Essendon 1991 2 James Cook Carlton North Hobart 1990 7 Damian Hampson Carlton Subiaco 1990 31 Nick Faull Carlton Golden Point 1990 59 Cameron James Carlton Morwell 1990 73 Anthony McDonald Carlton Ballarat YCW 1990 87 Danny Morgan Carlton Boolarra 1990 7 Stephen Edgar Carlton East Fremantle 1989 21 Peter Joseph Doyle Carlton Union 1989 35 Chris Bond Carlton North Hobart 1989 53 Derek Coghlan Carlton Lemnos 1989 67 Ben Judd Carlton Sturt 1989 81 Sam Gross Carlton Boort 1989 95 Jeremy Smith Carlton Sandy Bay 1989 109 Colin Corkery Carlton Ireland 1989 40 Glenn Johnston Carlton North Launceston 1988 54 Michael Sexton Carlton Sandhurst 1988 68 Grant Povey Carlton Claremont 1988 82 Anthony Loone Carlton Deloraine 1988 96 Michael James Carlton St Pats College, Ballarat 1988 110 Chris Mulcair Carlton Marist Brothers, Bendigo 1988 13 Peter Bubner Carlton Central District 1987 26 Steven Oliver Carlton Castlemaine 1987 39 David Kernahan Carlton Glenelg 1987 52 Stephen Gemmill Carlton Cobram 1987 65 Dean Adams Carlton Shepparton 1987 12 Domenic Fotia Carlton West Torrens 1986 25 Doug Smart Carlton North Adelaide 1986 38 Simon Minton-Connell Carlton North Hobart 1986 51 Andrew Herring Carlton Wynyard 1986 64 Darren Newlan Carlton Golden Square 1986 |
And Levi. Below is ahorror storyTable of every player we have ever drafted.
That is basically it. I keep saying it that period set us back 10 years.
Ratten and SOS would've been such a different story. Just show how important recruiting staff is. That's the difference between a possible flag and the pits of $hit where we are now.
And Levi. Below is ahorror storyTable of every player we have ever drafted.
Selection Drafted-player Afl-club Club-of-origin Draft-year
3 Paddy Dow Carlton 2017
10 Lochie O'Brien Carlton 2017
30 Tom De Koning Carlton 2017
70 Angus Schumacher Carlton 2017
78 Jarrod Garlett Carlton 2017
6 Sam Petrevski-Seton Carlton Claremont 2016
27 Zac Fisher Carlton Perth 2016
47 Harrison Macreadie Carlton Henty 2016
59 Cameron Polson Carlton Sandringham U18 2016
61 Tom Williamson Carlton North Ballarat U18 2016
65 Pat Kerr Carlton Oakleigh U18 2016
1 Jacob Weitering Carlton Mount Eliza 2015
10 Harry McKay Carlton Gippsland U18 2015
12 Charlie Curnow Carlton Geelong U18 2015
23 David Cunningham Carlton Oakleigh U18 2015
53 Jack Silvagni Carlton Oakleigh U18 2015
19 Blaine Boekhorst Carlton Swan Districts 2014
28 Dillon Viojo-Rainbow Carlton Western U18 2014
60 Clem Smith Carlton Perth 2014
63 Jayden Foster Carlton Calder U18 2014
71 Not utilised Carlton 2014
82 Not utilised Carlton 2014
13 Patrick Cripps Carlton East Fremantle 2013
39 Cameron Giles Carlton Woodville-West Torrens 2013
51 Nick Holman Carlton Murray U18 2013
67 Not utilised Carlton 2013
79 Not utilised Carlton 2013
89 Ed Curnow* Carlton Carlton Rookies 2013
94 Tom Bell* Carlton Carlton Rookies 2013
11 Troy Menzel Carlton Central District 2012
35 Tom Temay Carlton Sandringham U18 2012
54 Nick Graham Carlton Gippsland U18 2012
69 Not utilised Carlton 2012
74 Not utilised Carlton 2012
89 Levi Casboult* Carlton Carlton 2012
102 Zach Tuohy* Carlton Carlton 2012
22 Josh Bootsma Carlton South Fremantle 2011
44 Sam Rowe Carlton Norwood 2011
62 Dylan Buckley Carlton Northern U18 2011
18 Matthew Watson Carlton Calder U18 2010
34 Patrick McCarthy Carlton Glenelg 2010
42 Luke Mitchell Carlton Calder U18 2010
67 Andrew McInnes Carlton Dandenong U18 2010
70 Nick Duigan Carlton Norwood 2010
85 Jeff Garlett* Carlton Carlton 2010
99 David Ellard* Carlton Carlton 2010
108 Simon White* Carlton Carlton 2010
12 Kane Lucas Carlton East Fremantle 2009
43 Marcus Davies Carlton Tasmania U18 2009
59 Rohan Kerr Carlton Dandenong U18 2009
72 Sam Jacobs* Carlton Carlton 2009
83 Aaron Joseph* Carlton Tasmania U18 2009
6 Chris Yarran Carlton Swan Districts 2008
40 Mitch Robinson Carlton Tasmania U18 2008
65 Rhys O'Keeffe Carlton North Adelaide 2008
80 Caleb Tiller Carlton Murray U18 2008
85 Not utilised Carlton 2008
1 Matthew Kreuzer Carlton Northern U18 2007
36 Steven Browne Carlton West Perth 2007
46 Dennis Armfield Carlton Swan Districts 2007
65 Not utilised Carlton 2007
1 Bryce Gibbs Carlton Glenelg 2006
17 Shaun Hampson Carlton Mt Gravatt 2006
19 Shaun Grigg Carlton North Ballarat U18 2006
35 Mark Austin Carlton Glenelg 2006
51 Clinton Benjamin Carlton Claremont 2006
67 Joe Anderson Carlton Darwin 2006
81 Not utilised Carlton 2006
1 Marc Murphy Carlton Oakleigh U18 2005
4 Josh J. Kennedy Carlton East Fremantle 2005
20 Paul Bower Carlton Peel Thunder 2005
36 Jake Edwards Carlton Western U18 2005
64 Not utilised Carlton 2005
9 Jordan Russell Carlton West Adelaide 2004
25 Adam Hartlett Carlton West Adelaide 2004
41 Luke Blackwell Carlton Swan Districts 2004
73 Chris Bryan Carlton Frankston 2004
77 Anthony Raso Carlton Dandenong U18 2004
78 Not utilised Carlton 2004
2 Andrew Walker Carlton Bendigo U18 2003
57 Ricky Mott Carlton Fremantle rookies 2003
63 Glen Bowyer Carlton Hawthorn 2003
69 Jordan Bannister Carlton Essendon 2003
72 Adrian Deluca Carlton Port Melbourne 2003
75 Stephen Kenna Carlton Box Hill Hawks 2003
78 Not utilised Carlton 2003
80 Not utilised Carlton 2003
45 Kade Simpson Carlton Eastern U18 2002
60 Cameron Croad Carlton Oakleigh U18 2002
72 Brad Fisher Carlton Eastern U18 2002
79 Karl Norman Carlton Wangaratta Rovers 2002
84 Mick Martyn Carlton North Melbourne 2002
39 Justin Davies Carlton Murray U18 2001
46 Jarrad Waite Carlton Murray U18 2001
75 Sam Cranage Carlton Carlton 2001
84 Not utilised Carlton 2001
4 Luke Livingston Carlton Bendigo U18 2000
11 Trent Sporn Carlton North Adelaide 2000
15 Simon Wiggins Carlton Tasmania U18 2000
31 Blake Campbell Carlton Murray U18 2000
46 Sean O'Keeffe Carlton Murray U18 2000
61 Callan Beasy Carlton Bendigo U18 2000
60 Richard Kelly Carlton Perth 1999
73 Ryan Houlihan Carlton Murray U18 1999
80 Jeremy Dukes Carlton Prahran U18 1999
86 Trent Hotton Carlton East Burwood 1999
90 Andrew Merrington Carlton St Bernards 1999
92 Adam Mathews Carlton Murray U18 1999
93 Joe Allen Carlton Gippsland U18 1999
6 Murray Vance Carlton Murray U18 1998
38 Brendan Fevola Carlton Dandenong U18 1998
58 Ian Prendergast Carlton Oakleigh U18 1998
67 Brett Backwell Carlton West Brisbane Lions 1998
78 Not utilised Carlton 1998
87 Not utilised Carlton 1998
7 Kris Massie Carlton Dandenong U18 1997
23 Adam Chatfield Carlton NSW-ACT U18 1997
55 Craig Black Carlton Dandenong U18 1997
70 Trent Hoppner Carlton Preston U18 1997
80 John Hynes Carlton Prahran U18 1997
83 Ben J. Thompson Carlton Kedron Grange 1997
38 Sam Smart Carlton Norwood 1996
52 Damien Lock Carlton Bendigo U18 1996
74 Chris Jackson Carlton NSW-ACT U18 1996
81 Anthony Franchina Carlton Carlton Reserves 1996
62 Adrian Burdon Carlton Tasmania U18 1995
63 Jacob Anstey Carlton Tuggeranong 1995
69 Daniel Marshall Carlton Dandenong-Southern U18 1995
15 Scott Camporeale Carlton Woodville-West Torrens 1994
33 Mark Cullen Carlton Eastern U18 1994
41 Adam White Carlton Eastern U18 1994
67 Tony Bourke Carlton Ballarat U18 1994
79 Aaron Hamill Carlton Tuggeranong 1994
89 David Nicholson Carlton Western U18 1994
18 Simon Beaumont Carlton Central U18 1993
48 Matthew Hopkins Carlton West Adelaide 1993
13 Andrew McKay Carlton Glenelg 1992
43 Adrian Whitehead Carlton Wodonga 1992
58 Chris Peel Carlton Swan Districts 1992
61 Luke Rayner Carlton Geelong U18 1992
73 Tony Plim Carlton Golden Square 1992
88 Troy Bond Carlton Port Adelaide (SANFL) 1992
103 Ben Harrison Carlton Devonport 1992
118 Scott Spalding Carlton Perth 1992
18 Matthew Hogg Carlton Western Bulldogs 1991
28 Cale O'Keefe Carlton South Launceston 1991
44 Brett Sholl Carlton North Melbourne 1991
54 Leigh Snooks Carlton Derinallum 1991
57 Anthony McDonald Carlton Carlton 1991
78 Matthew Dickson Carlton Sandhurst 1991
79 Bevan Smillie Carlton Essendon 1991
2 James Cook Carlton North Hobart 1990
7 Damian Hampson Carlton Subiaco 1990
31 Nick Faull Carlton Golden Point 1990
59 Cameron James Carlton Morwell 1990
73 Anthony McDonald Carlton Ballarat YCW 1990
87 Danny Morgan Carlton Boolarra 1990
7 Stephen Edgar Carlton East Fremantle 1989
21 Peter Joseph Doyle Carlton Union 1989
35 Chris Bond Carlton North Hobart 1989
53 Derek Coghlan Carlton Lemnos 1989
67 Ben Judd Carlton Sturt 1989
81 Sam Gross Carlton Boort 1989
95 Jeremy Smith Carlton Sandy Bay 1989
109 Colin Corkery Carlton Ireland 1989
40 Glenn Johnston Carlton North Launceston 1988
54 Michael Sexton Carlton Sandhurst 1988
68 Grant Povey Carlton Claremont 1988
82 Anthony Loone Carlton Deloraine 1988
96 Michael James Carlton St Pats College, Ballarat 1988
110 Chris Mulcair Carlton Marist Brothers, Bendigo 1988
13 Peter Bubner Carlton Central District 1987
26 Steven Oliver Carlton Castlemaine 1987
39 David Kernahan Carlton Glenelg 1987
52 Stephen Gemmill Carlton Cobram 1987
65 Dean Adams Carlton Shepparton 1987
12 Domenic Fotia Carlton West Torrens 1986
25 Doug Smart Carlton North Adelaide 1986
38 Simon Minton-Connell Carlton North Hobart 1986
51 Andrew Herring Carlton Wynyard 1986
64 Darren Newlan Carlton Golden Square 1986
Lucky we were decent at recruiting off the rookie draft. That kept us going for a short but non-sustainable period. Even brought us temporary success for about 4-5 years but hard to make that last if you don't draft off the main list well.
2015 and 16 look OK but even in Cripps year our other draft selections were busts, as were our second and third rounders when we drafted Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer back in the day and our 2014 effort when we swapped pick 7 for a bunch of spuds. .
It's almost as if it was deliberate, we probably could have done better with a dart board.
Yes, flags are won by what you do with your 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks, not so much your first as you expect most clubs to get that right.
| Selection Drafted-player Afl-club Club-of-origin Draft-year 3 Paddy Dow Carlton 2017 10 Lochie O'Brien Carlton 2017 30 Tom De Koning Carlton 2017 70 Angus Schumacher Carlton 2017 78 Jarrod Garlett Carlton 2017 6 Sam Petrevski-Seton Carlton Claremont 2016 27 Zac Fisher Carlton Perth 2016 47 Harrison Macreadie Carlton Henty 2016 59 Cameron Polson Carlton Sandringham U18 2016 61 Tom Williamson Carlton North Ballarat U18 2016 65 Pat Kerr Carlton Oakleigh U18 2016 1 Jacob Weitering Carlton Mount Eliza 2015 10 Harry McKay Carlton Gippsland U18 2015 12 Charlie Curnow Carlton Geelong U18 2015 23 David Cunningham Carlton Oakleigh U18 2015 53 Jack Silvagni Carlton Oakleigh U18 2015 19 Blaine Boekhorst Carlton Swan Districts 2014 28 Dillon Viojo-Rainbow Carlton Western U18 2014 60 Clem Smith Carlton Perth 2014 63 Jayden Foster Carlton Calder U18 2014 71 Not utilised Carlton 2014 82 Not utilised Carlton 2014 13 Patrick Cripps Carlton East Fremantle 2013 39 Cameron Giles Carlton Woodville-West Torrens 2013 51 Nick Holman Carlton Murray U18 2013 67 Not utilised Carlton 2013 79 Not utilised Carlton 2013 89 Ed Curnow* Carlton Carlton Rookies 2013 94 Tom Bell* Carlton Carlton Rookies 2013 11 Troy Menzel Carlton Central District 2012 35 Tom Temay Carlton Sandringham U18 2012 54 Nick Graham Carlton Gippsland U18 2012 69 Not utilised Carlton 2012 74 Not utilised Carlton 2012 89 Levi Casboult* Carlton Carlton 2012 102 Zach Tuohy* Carlton Carlton 2012 22 Josh Bootsma Carlton South Fremantle 2011 44 Sam Rowe Carlton Norwood 2011 62 Dylan Buckley Carlton Northern U18 2011 18 Matthew Watson Carlton Calder U18 2010 34 Patrick McCarthy Carlton Glenelg 2010 42 Luke Mitchell Carlton Calder U18 2010 67 Andrew McInnes Carlton Dandenong U18 2010 70 Nick Duigan Carlton Norwood 2010 85 Jeff Garlett* Carlton Carlton 2010 99 David Ellard* Carlton Carlton 2010 108 Simon White* Carlton Carlton 2010 12 Kane Lucas Carlton East Fremantle 2009 43 Marcus Davies Carlton Tasmania U18 2009 59 Rohan Kerr Carlton Dandenong U18 2009 72 Sam Jacobs* Carlton Carlton 2009 83 Aaron Joseph* Carlton Tasmania U18 2009 6 Chris Yarran Carlton Swan Districts 2008 40 Mitch Robinson Carlton Tasmania U18 2008 65 Rhys O'Keeffe Carlton North Adelaide 2008 80 Caleb Tiller Carlton Murray U18 2008 85 Not utilised Carlton 2008 1 Matthew Kreuzer Carlton Northern U18 2007 36 Steven Browne Carlton West Perth 2007 46 Dennis Armfield Carlton Swan Districts 2007 65 Not utilised Carlton 2007 1 Bryce Gibbs Carlton Glenelg 2006 17 Shaun Hampson Carlton Mt Gravatt 2006 19 Shaun Grigg Carlton North Ballarat U18 2006 35 Mark Austin Carlton Glenelg 2006 51 Clinton Benjamin Carlton Claremont 2006 67 Joe Anderson Carlton Darwin 2006 81 Not utilised Carlton 2006 1 Marc Murphy Carlton Oakleigh U18 2005 4 Josh J. Kennedy Carlton East Fremantle 2005 20 Paul Bower Carlton Peel Thunder 2005 36 Jake Edwards Carlton Western U18 2005 64 Not utilised Carlton 2005 9 Jordan Russell Carlton West Adelaide 2004 25 Adam Hartlett Carlton West Adelaide 2004 41 Luke Blackwell Carlton Swan Districts 2004 73 Chris Bryan Carlton Frankston 2004 77 Anthony Raso Carlton Dandenong U18 2004 78 Not utilised Carlton 2004 2 Andrew Walker Carlton Bendigo U18 2003 57 Ricky Mott Carlton Fremantle rookies 2003 63 Glen Bowyer Carlton Hawthorn 2003 69 Jordan Bannister Carlton Essendon 2003 72 Adrian Deluca Carlton Port Melbourne 2003 75 Stephen Kenna Carlton Box Hill Hawks 2003 78 Not utilised Carlton 2003 80 Not utilised Carlton 2003 45 Kade Simpson Carlton Eastern U18 2002 60 Cameron Croad Carlton Oakleigh U18 2002 72 Brad Fisher Carlton Eastern U18 2002 79 Karl Norman Carlton Wangaratta Rovers 2002 84 Mick Martyn Carlton North Melbourne 2002 39 Justin Davies Carlton Murray U18 2001 46 Jarrad Waite Carlton Murray U18 2001 75 Sam Cranage Carlton Carlton 2001 84 Not utilised Carlton 2001 4 Luke Livingston Carlton Bendigo U18 2000 11 Trent Sporn Carlton North Adelaide 2000 15 Simon Wiggins Carlton Tasmania U18 2000 31 Blake Campbell Carlton Murray U18 2000 46 Sean O'Keeffe Carlton Murray U18 2000 61 Callan Beasy Carlton Bendigo U18 2000 60 Richard Kelly Carlton Perth 1999 73 Ryan Houlihan Carlton Murray U18 1999 80 Jeremy Dukes Carlton Prahran U18 1999 86 Trent Hotton Carlton East Burwood 1999 90 Andrew Merrington Carlton St Bernards 1999 92 Adam Mathews Carlton Murray U18 1999 93 Joe Allen Carlton Gippsland U18 1999 6 Murray Vance Carlton Murray U18 1998 38 Brendan Fevola Carlton Dandenong U18 1998 58 Ian Prendergast Carlton Oakleigh U18 1998 67 Brett Backwell Carlton West Brisbane Lions 1998 78 Not utilised Carlton 1998 87 Not utilised Carlton 1998 7 Kris Massie Carlton Dandenong U18 1997 23 Adam Chatfield Carlton NSW-ACT U18 1997 55 Craig Black Carlton Dandenong U18 1997 70 Trent Hoppner Carlton Preston U18 1997 80 John Hynes Carlton Prahran U18 1997 83 Ben J. Thompson Carlton Kedron Grange 1997 38 Sam Smart Carlton Norwood 1996 52 Damien Lock Carlton Bendigo U18 1996 74 Chris Jackson Carlton NSW-ACT U18 1996 81 Anthony Franchina Carlton Carlton Reserves 1996 62 Adrian Burdon Carlton Tasmania U18 1995 63 Jacob Anstey Carlton Tuggeranong 1995 69 Daniel Marshall Carlton Dandenong-Southern U18 1995 15 Scott Camporeale Carlton Woodville-West Torrens 1994 33 Mark Cullen Carlton Eastern U18 1994 41 Adam White Carlton Eastern U18 1994 67 Tony Bourke Carlton Ballarat U18 1994 79 Aaron Hamill Carlton Tuggeranong 1994 89 David Nicholson Carlton Western U18 1994 18 Simon Beaumont Carlton Central U18 1993 48 Matthew Hopkins Carlton West Adelaide 1993 13 Andrew McKay Carlton Glenelg 1992 43 Adrian Whitehead Carlton Wodonga 1992 58 Chris Peel Carlton Swan Districts 1992 61 Luke Rayner Carlton Geelong U18 1992 73 Tony Plim Carlton Golden Square 1992 88 Troy Bond Carlton Port Adelaide (SANFL) 1992 103 Ben Harrison Carlton Devonport 1992 118 Scott Spalding Carlton Perth 1992 18 Matthew Hogg Carlton Western Bulldogs 1991 28 Cale O'Keefe Carlton South Launceston 1991 44 Brett Sholl Carlton North Melbourne 1991 54 Leigh Snooks Carlton Derinallum 1991 57 Anthony McDonald Carlton Carlton 1991 78 Matthew Dickson Carlton Sandhurst 1991 79 Bevan Smillie Carlton Essendon 1991 2 James Cook Carlton North Hobart 1990 7 Damian Hampson Carlton Subiaco 1990 31 Nick Faull Carlton Golden Point 1990 59 Cameron James Carlton Morwell 1990 73 Anthony McDonald Carlton Ballarat YCW 1990 87 Danny Morgan Carlton Boolarra 1990 7 Stephen Edgar Carlton East Fremantle 1989 21 Peter Joseph Doyle Carlton Union 1989 35 Chris Bond Carlton North Hobart 1989 53 Derek Coghlan Carlton Lemnos 1989 67 Ben Judd Carlton Sturt 1989 81 Sam Gross Carlton Boort 1989 95 Jeremy Smith Carlton Sandy Bay 1989 109 Colin Corkery Carlton Ireland 1989 40 Glenn Johnston Carlton North Launceston 1988 54 Michael Sexton Carlton Sandhurst 1988 68 Grant Povey Carlton Claremont 1988 82 Anthony Loone Carlton Deloraine 1988 96 Michael James Carlton St Pats College, Ballarat 1988 110 Chris Mulcair Carlton Marist Brothers, Bendigo 1988 13 Peter Bubner Carlton Central District 1987 26 Steven Oliver Carlton Castlemaine 1987 39 David Kernahan Carlton Glenelg 1987 52 Stephen Gemmill Carlton Cobram 1987 65 Dean Adams Carlton Shepparton 1987 12 Domenic Fotia Carlton West Torrens 1986 25 Doug Smart Carlton North Adelaide 1986 38 Simon Minton-Connell Carlton North Hobart 1986 51 Andrew Herring Carlton Wynyard 1986 64 Darren Newlan Carlton Golden Square 1986 |
2015 and 16 look OK but even in Cripps year our other draft selections were busts, as were our second and third rounders when we drafted Murphy, Gibbs and Kreuzer back in the day and our 2014 effort when we swapped pick 7 for a bunch of spuds. .
It's almost as if it was deliberate, we probably could have done better with a dart board.
Recruiters at others tables literally laughed out loud when we selected Boeky at 19.
Watching the VFL, you would think Rowe and Phillips were a soda to come in, especially in a week we need to deal with Naitanui and Kennedy.
Reading Fraser's review, you'd think it was a soda that Rowe and Phillips come in, especially in the week that we have to deal with Naitanui and Kennedy.
But with our MC, I've no fecking idea, they'll probably promote Le Bois and Polson!
The one positive I found from Polson 2 weeks ago was his tackling. He seemed hard at it the opposition and made a couple stick, whereas we all know most of our guys are jumper pullers at best.
The one positive I found from Polson 2 weeks ago was his tackling. He seemed hard at it the opposition and made a couple stick, whereas we all know most of our guys are jumper pullers at best.
While I think Phillips is a monty based on Kreuzer's fitness, I really hope Rowe isn't called up. Never been a fan of his and from what I saw on Sunday he didn't fill me with any great confidence that he was ready for a return. Had to laugh at the Le Bois Polson comment, I actually thought Polson was better last week and Le Bois was getting plenty of the ball that I saw.
Cunningham omitted, fmd, the bloke needs continuity, not even an emergency & there is no VFL game this week so he doesn’t play anywhere???????? Finally Harry gets a gig, but he’ll be omitted after 1 game , just watch and see! Was thinking of going, but the longer the week has gone, the less interested I became, particularly given the start time.
If we don't score do we have to drop our dacks?
Mullet gets a game and Cunningham is omitted. Bolton is a muppet
Just looking at the nett changes, and taking into account late out of Murphy last week, I;m concerned we're going to be too slow and too tall
Seems a bit of a whipping boy is Cuningham, thought he went ok vs Nth and was better than most, Mullet isnt contributing much
and looks out of his depth having to defend, rather than just accumulate easy receives...
Kruezer out is going to hurt us given NitWits form....Weitering injured or dropped? or is too hard to drop a No 1 pick...
I worry about weitering. I fear we may break him. A couple of weeks rest and a plan to bring him back as an intercept defender will do him a lot of good.
I hate the Cunningham omission
Agree on Weitering I reckon he may be injured mentally and emotionally rather than anything physical and I like your idea of a couple of weeks rest, maybe even 3-4 just to get him
keen and relaxed. Might even work him back by the NB's so he is say coming off a good game before he plays seniors again.....
Cuningham is another mystifying MC non selection....
CARLTON
B: Lachie Plowman, Liam Jones, Aaron Mullett
HB: Cameron O'Shea, Sam Rowe, Kade Simpson
C: Zac Fisher, Paddy Dow, Sam Kerridge
HF: Jed Lamb, Levi Casboult, Ed Curnow
F: Harry McKay, Charlie Curnow, Matthew Wright
R: Andrew Phillips, Patrick Cripps, Sam Petrevski-Seton
Int: Lochie O'Brien, Jarrod Garlett, Dale Thomas, Jack Silvagni
EMG: Pat Kerr, Matt Shaw, Nick Graham, Kym Lebois
I don't know what Cuningham did wrong. His first half last week wasn't bad at all. He offered nothing on the forward line, but it did have to get there.
WEST COAST EAGLES
B: Shannon Hurn, Tom Barrass, Brad Sheppard
HB: Lewis Jetta, Jeremy McGovern, Liam Duggan
C: Dom Sheed, Luke Shuey, Chris Masten
HF: Jamie Cripps, Jack Darling, Mark LeCras
F: Jake Waterman, Josh J. Kennedy, Scott Lycett
R: Nic Naitanui, Elliot Yeo, Andrew Gaff
Int: Jack Redden, Jackson Nelson, Mark Hutchings, William Rioli
EMG: Jack Petruccelle, Francis Watson, Thomas Cole, Will Schofield
I don't like having Phillips up against NicNat, but ... I'm not sure either he or Rowe is 100% match fit, but they are named. Kerridge should have been in last week.
I am not confident at all. :( :( :'(
I don't know what Cuningham did wrong. His first half last week wasn't bad at all. He offered nothing on the forward line, but it did have to get there.
WC look small down back, we have the one extra tall unless they include Schofield at the last minute......Luke Shuey usually does a number on us so he needs a tag for the day.
McGovern vs Charlie C should be a decent battle in the air....
I'm not convinced WC are that good and while they have a potent forward line and good rucks I actually think we can kick a few goals against this mob and are a chance.......Blues by 5 points...
You are either a genius or a nutcase, either way I love your work ;)
Cheers GTC, look its a stretch looking for positives but I really believe WC are a flakey team that we can do well against and
they may take us a bit easy and we can cause an upset.......you are right I must be a nutcase :P :-X,
West Coast don't play well at the G....so we must be some kind of a chance. Maybe not half a chance, but a quarter of a chance?
Cuningham is the captain of frustration or teasing. His good is very good and he really does excite from time to time but he is such a liability when he has one of those many fade outs/lapses during games... and he does it in every game he plays - just goes missing, not to mention his defensive game is cause for concern.
I gave him a vote after the last game because of his 'glimpses', they are special. In an ideal world, he'd be an outside mid / half forward... but at present, even with his highly skilled moments, his big lapses make him a luxury we can't afford.
This side looks better, more in-form blokes. 2 blokes carrying injuries -- Kreuzer/Kennedy -- and 1 bloke's head not right -- Weitering -- are out of the side. Good. They all need to get themselves right.
Disappointed H got the nod in front of Kerr, who has shown better form in the twos. I wonder if we're playing H just to shut everyone up. Boy I hope he shows something. But might as well experiment, nothing to lose... so to speak.
With more experienced blokes coming in you'd expect us to be beaten by around 50 pts instead of around 90 pts.
Bolton said he wants the kids to play together....but drops cuningham.
Bolton said Harry isn't ready and wants him to prove himself...but picks him despite an ordinary showing.
Makes sense.
Failing a win, I'd settle for an honorable loss.
West Coast don't play well at the G....so we must be some kind of a chance. Maybe not half a chance, but a quarter of a chance?
How McKay gets a game in front of Kerr escapes me. I get the feeling the club has been pressured into this, but it is time to see what he's made of - good luck to him.
Thats probably the right odds....
How McKay gets a game in front of Kerr escapes me. I get the feeling the club has been pressured into this, but it is time to see what he's made of - good luck to him.
How McKay gets a game in front of Kerr escapes me. I get the feeling the club has been pressured into this, but it is time to see what he's made of - good luck to him.
It astounds me that so many people on this site have the same thoughts on our selections and yet the MC make changes that are bamboozling at best. What a joke. Cunningham out, Mullett survives pffffft. I've got a feeling that Josh Kennedy will kick more goals than out entire team. We have zero chance of winning this one.
Agree Lods. The MC are human, and will stuff it up from time to time. But surely not week after week after week ? I'm sure they know enough about football to see what we see, plus a whole lot more.
If he's feeling any pressure he's handling it pretty well...even taking the piss out of himself with the McKay stuff ;D
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2018-04-20/bolton-previews-west-coast-clash
If he's feeling any pressure he's handling it pretty well...even taking the piss out of himself with the McKay stuff ;D
http://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2018-04-20/bolton-previews-west-coast-clash
Now that McKay is in, what would we consider a pass make for him, come 7:10 tomorrow evening????
Now that McKay is in, what would we consider a pass make for him, come 7:10 tomorrow evening????
Now that McKay is in, what would we consider a pass make for him, come 7:10 tomorrow evening????
Agree Lods. The MC are human, and will stuff it up from time to time. But surely not week after week after week ? I'm sure they know enough about football to see what we see, plus a whole lot more.
I'm not so sure they do Paul, we are on the bottom for a reason and if they were employed in any other business field they would be unemployed now based on results....
IMO Mckay's promotion to the seniors had more to do with dealing with media pressure due to poor results than any great form in the NB's and Cuninghams demotion rates alongside Polson's promotion to the senior team a couple of weeks ago as mystifying at best...
I'm not so sure they do Paul, we are on the bottom for a reason and if they were employed in any other business field they would be unemployed now based on results....
IMO Mckay's promotion to the seniors had more to do with dealing with media pressure due to poor results than any great form in the NB's and Cuninghams demotion rates alongside Polson's promotion to the senior team a couple of weeks ago as mystifying at best...
I've been a bit critical of how we're 'playing' this rebuild but if we're choosing teams based on media pressure we are well and truly stuffed.
Has there been a lot of media pressure for McKay to come in though?
Fans are probably split about 50/50 as to whether or not he should be played.... or really have to perform to earn a spot.
A simple question then if its not media pressure and not due to any great form in the NB's given our NB's watchers didn rate his game then why is he in the team??
Its a question Bolton gets asked about Harry every week after a loss, hows Harry Mckay going?...BB..he will play when he is ready
I'm not so sure they do Paul, we are on the bottom for a reason and if they were employed in any other business field they would be unemployed now based on results....
IMO Mckay's promotion to the seniors had more to do with dealing with media pressure due to poor results than any great form in the NB's and Cuninghams demotion rates alongside Polson's promotion to the senior team a couple of weeks ago as mystifying at best...
A damn good article on Fox Sports website this morning by Dunstall and Brereton comparing our rebuild to Hawthorns 2005 situation. Also Geelongs situation before they won their flag under bommer Thompson.
They both reckon we are on the right track and must keep goimg and it will all gel in another year or so.
2020 we'll be playing finals if we get the next 2 recruiting periods right I reckon.
Major changes to coaching and recruiting staff now and we are another 5-10 years away.
Stick fat. We're on the way.
A damn good article on Fox Sports website this morning by Dunstall and Brereton comparing our rebuild to Hawthorns 2005 situation. Also Geelongs situation before they won their flag under bommer Thompson.
They both reckon we are on the right track and must keep goimg and it will all gel in another year or so.
2020 we'll be playing finals if we get the next 2 recruiting periods right I reckon.
Major changes to coaching and recruiting staff now and we are another 5-10 years away.
Stick fat. We're on the way.
Cripps must have support soon or we will break him.
Just watched BBs media conference, I know some might not agree but I reckon the bloke is a class act considering where we find ourselves... loved his gags about cliches, and why we relented and are playing H.
What else can he say other than what he said??!! The bloke is having to be the face for mass list turnover, unreasonable numbers of injured blokes, too many inexperienced blokes taking the field through necessity, flop recruits from other clubs and a marketing dept. Phew.
I think I feel better about the whole shemozzle we presently find ourselves in because I've dropped all expectation for 2018. Now all I want to see is effort. Fair dinkum pressure. Blooding, gradually, kids. Further improvement in recruits of the previous 2 years. And some anti-social ruthlessness which we showed in BBs first 2 years.
And Judge, McKay, SOS... about time you blokes took some of the heat as well rather than leaving it all to the coach and Juddy. How about you 3 showing some ticker and start speaking up (with conviction) re our situation and demonstrating some ridgy didge support for the senior coach/players. No time for wimps skulking around in the shadows... never was a strong, united and forceful message more needed than right fkn now from you three. So get off your flabby @rses and let the football world know how 'Bound By Blue' the club is, DEMONSTRATE it by confronting the media yourselves ...at least we'll then know that 'BBB' is more than a glib marketing slogan.
Where has Liddle been the past month? The previous incumbent would have been on SEN spruiking etc. Needs to be front and square during these hard times, deflecting media heat etc
Just watched BBs media conference, I know some might not agree but I reckon the bloke is a class act considering where we find ourselves... loved his gags about cliches, and why we relented and are playing H.
What else can he say other than what he said??!! The bloke is having to be the face for mass list turnover, unreasonable numbers of injured blokes, too many inexperienced blokes taking the field through necessity, flop recruits from other clubs and a marketing dept. Phew.
I think I feel better about the whole shemozzle we presently find ourselves in because I've dropped all expectation for 2018. Now all I want to see is effort. Fair dinkum pressure. Blooding, gradually, kids. Further improvement in recruits of the previous 2 years. And some anti-social ruthlessness which we showed in BBs first 2 years.
And Judge, McKay, SOS... about time you blokes took some of the heat as well rather than leaving it all to the coach and Juddy. How about you 3 showing some ticker and start speaking up (with conviction) re our situation and demonstrating some ridgy didge support for the senior coach/players. No time for wimps skulking around in the shadows... never was a strong, united and forceful message more needed than right fkn now from you three. So get off your flabby @rses and let the football world know how 'Bound By Blue' the club is, DEMONSTRATE it by confronting the media yourselves ...at least we'll then know that 'BBB' is more than a glib marketing slogan.
A simple question then if its not media pressure and not due to any great form in the NB's given our NB's watchers didn rate his game then why is he in the team??
Its a question Bolton gets asked about Harry every week after a loss, hows Harry Mckay going?...BB..he will play when he is ready
All i want for Harry is for him to hold his head up high all game.
I don't give a stuff if he gets donuts, as long as he doesn't drop his head and sook, he'll be better for it.
This was copied from a Carlton supporter.....
Clarkos first 44 games as coach... 14 wins
Bolts first 44 games as coach... 13 wins.
GWS first 66 games.. 9 wins
*48 games into our 66 game rebuild and we are already 4 wins ahead of the Giants with 18 games to come.
We need to be patient guys!????
I know most 'BlueBaggers' can see the overall picture but a small minority are struggling to keep the faith and threatening to derail things we the call for Bolts sacking .
His intellectual property far outweighs any of you who are calling for his head. I trust him over you any day...
GO BLUES!
#BELIEVE
#BoundByBlue
This was copied from a Carlton supporter.....
Clarkos first 44 games as coach... 14 wins
Bolts first 44 games as coach... 13 wins.
We have won zero games this year, we need to break the duck otherwise the pressure will keep building.