Princes Park => Robert Heatley Stand => Topic started by: crashlander on June 28, 2018, 07:49:32 pm
Title: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: crashlander on June 28, 2018, 07:49:32 pm
This week's game starts at 1000 at Ikon Park, a 'pseudo curtain raiser' for the seniors too far away to be a proper curtain raiser.
NORTHERN BLUES v. FOOTSCRAY
Round 13 – 30/06/2018 10:00AM IKON Park
Northern Blues B: 7. M. Blakey, 25. K. Keppel, 44. C. Byrne HB: 56. C. McDaid, 13. C. O’Shea, 45. M. Shaw C: 4. L. O’Brien, 1. T. Wilson, 57. E. Penrith HF: 29. J. Hill, 30. P. Kerr, 3. J. Palmer F: 22. C. McCabe, 19. H. McKay, 55. J. Williams R: 36. M. Lobbe, 9. S. Fisher, 33. D. Lang Int: 11. A. Federico, 10. J. Johnston, 14. J. Lynch, 12. B. Myers, 35. M. Stavrou, 16. J. Velissaris 23P: 58. J. Naylor
In: J. Velissaris, J. Lynch, C. O’Shea, C. Byrne, P. Kerr, L. O’Brien, J. Johnston, J. Naylor
Out: A. Phillips, T. De Koning, A. Schumacher, K. LeBois, N. Graham, J. Pickett
We are much weaker in the ruck this week, with no Phillips or de Koning. :( Good for Phillips to be promoted, but losing the young lad is a negative. Losing Schumacher and le Bois to injury doesn't help us either. On the other hand, Ciaran Byrne and Paddy Kerr are real positive ins. Alas, most of our returning players have started off very poorly this year. Two weeks ago, for example, Pickett was useless and he is only one example. It will be interesting to see how O'Brien goes in his 1st VFL game: he may be done a bit for AFL, but ...
Footscray
B: 61. L. Nash, 32. K. Collins, 2. L. Young HB: 51. L. Dalgleish, 50. J. Prudden, 57. L. Smith C: 28. C. Porter, 60. A. Tashevski-Beckwith, 54. R. William HF: 30. F. Greene, 40. N. Mullenger-Mchugh, 56. W. Hayes F: 66. A. Monfries, 15. T. Campbell, 18. F. Roberts R: 23. J. Roughead, 46. L. Jong, 22. M. Honeychurch Int: 55. A. Greenwood, 62. B. Olsson, 63. N. Ryan, 64. J. Smith, 53. L. Sullivan, 68. D. Symeopoulos, 58. E. Wales, 67. J. Wallis 23P: 59. J. Shea
In: N. Ryan, B. Olsson, M. Honeychurch, J. Smith, E. Wales, D. Symeopoulos
Out: S. Biggs, B. Lynch
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: crashlander on June 29, 2018, 08:33:57 pm
Lin Jong out for the Dogs.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: LP on June 29, 2018, 09:07:40 pm
I thought I read somewhere Shaw was also injured!
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: laj on June 30, 2018, 01:27:47 pm
We went down narrowly. 71-65.
@NBluesFC best players for @VFL.com.au: - Matt Lobbe (12 disp, 55 hitouts) - Sam Fisher (29 disp, 13 cl, 1 goal) - Ethan Penrith (12 disp, 3 i50s, 1 goal) - Harry McKay (14 disp, 8 marks, 1 goal) - Jordan Lynch (11 disp, 9 tackles, 1 goal) - Ciaran Byrne (15 disp, 3/4 game time)
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: blue4life on June 30, 2018, 04:32:00 pm
That'll do. McKay for Casboult next week, and let's make it final.
Confidence in Levi's play and his kicking has been shot after missing games. No need now not to play McKay. We have McKay. Curnow and Kerr as key forwards, all will be good, Curnow a superstar. Levi's done an admirable job as a rookie draft pick 44 to fill the gap between losing Waite and Henderson and waiting for the young ones to develop but it's time for those young ones.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: Thryleon on June 30, 2018, 04:47:54 pm
we'll be a much better side when most of our players cut their teeth in the vfl before playing afl.
Its much tougher thanks to less umpires and less cameras meaning players can play harder footy and our boys always look stunned by the difference in physicality, and after a vfl stint they play tougher at afl level.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: Professer E on June 30, 2018, 05:24:11 pm
Sorry Iaj, No more slack for Casboult. He might be playing hurt but he ain't contributing. Three set shots burnt, four lousy possessions. Time to move on from this bloke. VFL Beckons.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: kruddler on June 30, 2018, 05:44:05 pm
Sorry Iaj, No more slack for Casboult. He might be playing hurt but he ain't contributing. Three set shots burnt, four lousy possessions. Time to move on from this bloke. VFL Beckons.
I liked how the commentators tried to cut Casboult some slack for his goal kicking because of his injured finger......which happens to be on his left hand and as very little (if any) effect on the right footed casboult.
He can't kick. EOS.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: Professer E on June 30, 2018, 05:47:20 pm
His misses today were the difference. I'm over him.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: LP on June 30, 2018, 05:50:07 pm
Sorry Iaj, No more slack for Casboult. He might be playing hurt but he ain't contributing. Three set shots burnt, four lousy possessions. Time to move on from this bloke. VFL Beckons.
He's teflon man, he'll play AFL next week, no matter what sh1t he delivers. All it does is pile up on team-mates! The tell was last week when he was the late out, having Rowe forward for a while we looked so much better, not because Rowe is great but because he does something!
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: laj on June 30, 2018, 05:55:42 pm
Sorry Iaj, No more slack for Casboult. He might be playing hurt but he ain't contributing. Three set shots burnt, four lousy possessions. Time to move on from this bloke. VFL Beckons.
I'll always cut someone slack off an injury. Hands up those who bagged Kennedy this year. Bet no-one owns up. Doesn't mean i'd play Levi if he can't get a kick. He should've come back though the NBs.
Levi's done an admirable job filling the gap between Waite/Henderson and the young ones coming though, especially given hen picked him up from the pits of the rookie draft. Not to mention doing a decent job as a 2nd ruck. Thing is though we have a few good few forwards now, one a superstar, so we probably don't need Levi now. Not to mention, IMO, a good young player in De Konning, who looks like he can play both ruck and key forward going by VFL form at least. Not many of those around. McKay apparently had a good game today.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: Lods on June 30, 2018, 06:06:56 pm
I'll always cut someone slack off an injury. Hands up those who bagged Kennedy this year. Bet no-one owns up. Doesn't mean i'd play Levi if he can't get a kick. He should've come back though the NBs.
Levi's done an admirable job filling the gap between Waite/Henderson and the young ones coming though, especially given hen picked him up from the pits of the rookie draft. Not to mention doing a decent job as a 2nd ruck. Thing is though we have a few good few forwards now, one a superstar, so we probably don't need Levi now. Not to mention, IMO, a good young player in De Konning, who looks like he can play both ruck and key forward going by VFL form at least. Not many of those around. McKay apparently had a good game today.
Yep Should have come back through the VFL. Shouldn't have played the Freo game either He was playing quite well earlier in the year and shouldn't be crucified for a couple of bad games coming back...but wé're now at a stage where there is competition for his spot so he has to perform or lose that position. Back to the VFL for a spell.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: LP on June 30, 2018, 06:14:07 pm
I'll always cut someone slack off an injury. Hands up those who bagged Kennedy this year. Bet no-one owns up. Doesn't mean i'd play Levi if he can't get a kick. He should've come back though the NBs.
FMD, Kennedy is in his 3rd year with 20 games, Casboult is in his 10th year!
Make a realistic comparison! ;)
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: Baggers on June 30, 2018, 06:56:28 pm
Sorry Iaj, No more slack for Casboult. He might be playing hurt but he ain't contributing. Three set shots burnt, four lousy possessions. Time to move on from this bloke. VFL Beckons.
Can't argue with that. Too soft between the lugholes. McKay / Kerr to be persevered with.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: spf on June 30, 2018, 07:16:06 pm
Confidence in Levi's play and his kicking has been shot after missing games. No need now not to play McKay. We have McKay. Curnow and Kerr as key forwards, all will be good, Curnow a superstar. Levi's done an admirable job as a rookie draft pick 44 to fill the gap between losing Waite and Henderson and waiting for the young ones to develop but it's time for those young ones.
What do you think Levi might be worth on the trade table? He won't get any better for us, would he get a late second rounder?
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: laj on June 30, 2018, 07:29:24 pm
What do you think Levi might be worth on the trade table? He won't get any better for us, would he get a late second rounder?
He's worth zero as a trade, someone might pick him up if we delisted him but it's doubtful. He's contracted for 2019 anyway, more brilliant list management.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: kruddler on June 30, 2018, 08:38:04 pm
I'll always cut someone slack off an injury. Hands up those who bagged Kennedy this year. Bet no-one owns up. Doesn't mean i'd play Levi if he can't get a kick. He should've come back though the NBs.
Speaking of Casboult and Kennedy, pretty sure Casboult broke a team rule today when he didn't block for Kennedy when he was coming back with the flight of the ball on the boundary. Guy with eyes on the ball should be called in by his teammate, not plowed into by a teammate and then abused by him. I know Casboult was desperate for a touch, but you don't have to clean up your teammates to get one. Thank f**k there was no injury to come out of it.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: CarltonCarl on June 30, 2018, 08:45:04 pm
any update on the game and who played well? maybe start a Casboult thread
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: laj on June 30, 2018, 08:52:49 pm
He's worth zero as a trade, someone might pick him up if we delisted him but it's doubtful. He's contracted for 2019 anyway, more brilliant list management.
He's better than that. Club has always liked him and he has been handy over the years. It is time now though to move on with our young key forwards. We don't exactly lack them.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: laj on June 30, 2018, 08:56:09 pm
Speaking of Casboult and Kennedy, pretty sure Casboult broke a team rule today when he didn't block for Kennedy when he was coming back with the flight of the ball on the boundary. Guy with eyes on the ball should be called in by his teammate, not plowed into by a teammate and then abused by him. I know Casboult was desperate for a touch, but you don't have to clean up your teammates to get one. Thank f**k there was no injury to come out of it.
Won't be remembered as his best game. Possibly his worst. Might've looked "better" if he kicked straight but that was way off too compared to other efforts this year. Back to his old kicking efforts. Would've been nice to lead at 3/4 time. I'm not sure he should've come straight back in to the side, twice!
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: DJC on June 30, 2018, 09:48:54 pm
Speaking of Casboult and Kennedy, pretty sure Casboult broke a team rule today when he didn't block for Kennedy when he was coming back with the flight of the ball on the boundary. Guy with eyes on the ball should be called in by his teammate, not plowed into by a teammate and then abused by him. I know Casboult was desperate for a touch, but you don't have to clean up your teammates to get one. Thank f**k there was no injury to come out of it.
Kennedy should have been called out of it by another player. The pass was intended for Casboult and he would have swallowed it if Kennedy hadn’t got in the way. I doubt whether Casboult saw Kennedy but he would have been free-kicked if he had been able to balk and block for him. Poor communication by our guys and a little over-ambitious on Kennedy’s part ... and very lucky for him that Casboult isn’t Fev.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: kruddler on June 30, 2018, 11:27:10 pm
Kennedy should have been called out of it by another player. The pass was intended for Casboult and he would have swallowed it if Kennedy hadn’t got in the way. I doubt whether Casboult saw Kennedy but he would have been free-kicked if he had been able to balk and block for him. Poor communication by our guys and a little over-ambitious on Kennedy’s part ... and very lucky for him that Casboult isn’t Fev.
Casboult had the play in front of him. He could see it all. Either he calls Kennedy out of it, or ensure Kennedy doesn't get cleaned up.
He doesn't have to 'block' so much as basically just stop running, which is effectively all the block that is required for Kennedy to mark safely.
What kind of message does it send when you put your body on the line and get cleaned up by your own teammate? Do you think Kennedy will be as willing to go next time? Is that the kind of message we want?
Funny how you brought Fev up as he was critical of the very same thing on multiple occasions....and i would've called him out for doing the same thing.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: DJC on July 01, 2018, 08:46:31 am
Casboult had the play in front of him. He could see it all. Either he calls Kennedy out of it, or ensure Kennedy doesn't get cleaned up.
He doesn't have to 'block' so much as basically just stop running, which is effectively all the block that is required for Kennedy to mark safely.
What kind of message does it send when you put your body on the line and get cleaned up by your own teammate? Do you think Kennedy will be as willing to go next time? Is that the kind of message we want?
Funny how you brought Fev up as he was critical of the very same thing on multiple occasions....and i would've called him out for doing the same thing.
I had an excellent view of the incident and I stand by my assessment; Casboult was the intended target, he had eyes for the ball, Kennedy got in his way and spoiled a good pass.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: crashlander on July 01, 2018, 10:38:56 am
Yep Should have come back through the VFL. Shouldn't have played the Freo game either He was playing quite well earlier in the year and shouldn't be crucified for a couple of bad games coming back...but wé're now at a stage where there is competition for his spot so he has to perform or lose that position. Back to the VFL for a spell.
Yes. We cannot afford to have a non contributor like that in a game that meant so much. Not only that, but Casboult NEEDS to get his confidence and touch back. Even giving him some ruck duties in the VFL would be a step in the right direction.
I wouldn't be throwing him away, but yesterday we saw his limitations more than anything else. He needs to get his act together. And guys like McKay and Kerr need time in the seniors, in careful doses and not unsupported. With Curnow playing as he is, the other guys could get a ride on his coat tails. Mind you, both Kerr and McKay need to develop their defensive games. One of the worst aspects of yesterday was the lack of pressure provided by Levi. No good at all replacing one source of lack of pressure with another. Learnt to chase, guys!
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: crashlander on July 01, 2018, 10:41:04 am
I had an excellent view of the incident and I stand by my assessment; Casboult was the intended target, he had eyes for the ball, Kennedy got in his way and spoiled a good pass.
I agree. More talking required.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: crashlander on July 01, 2018, 10:51:45 am
This was a pretty good effort, considering the lack of available players. Granted that the Dogs have their injuries, but they are a top 8 team with pretentions. We came within a kick of demonstrating how ridiculous those pretentions are.
It really galls me that More Frees was the guy who kicked the winning goal. :( :(
Northern Blues Goal Kickers: P. Kerr 2, J. Lynch, S. Fisher, J. Johnston, T. Wilson, H. McKay, J. Naylor, E. Penrith, J. Williams Best Players: M. Lobbe, S. Fisher, E. Penrith, H. McKay, J. Lynch, C. Byrne
Footscray Goal Kickers: F. Roberts 3, J. Roughead, R. William, J. Wallis, A. Monfries, F. Greene, E. Wales, N. Mullenger-Mchugh Best Players: C. Porter, K. Collins, R. William, L. Dalgleish, F. Roberts
I am amazed, and really pleased, that Lobbe did so well in the ruck. He destroyed the Footscray big men, something I thought was past him. I am also very happy to see Ciaran Byrne make such an impression in the 3 quarters he was on the field.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: jeza on July 01, 2018, 11:07:34 am
Yes. We cannot afford to have a non contributor like that in a game that meant so much. Not only that, but Casboult NEEDS to get his confidence and touch back. Even giving him some ruck duties in the VFL would be a step in the right direction.
I wouldn't be throwing him away, but yesterday we saw his limitations more than anything else. He needs to get his act together. And guys like McKay and Kerr need time in the seniors, in careful doses and not unsupported. With Curnow playing as he is, the other guys could get a ride on his coat tails. Mind you, both Kerr and McKay need to develop their defensive games. One of the worst aspects of yesterday was the lack of pressure provided by Levi. No good at all replacing one source of lack of pressure with another. Learnt to chase, guys!
I loved that bit of play on the southern back flank when Casboult was 1 on 4. Got blocked, fought past it, brought the ball to ground, still no teammate to help, fought them all on the ground and then got the ball over the line for a throw in. Absolutely zero on the stats sheet but absolutely vital for a guy who spent the whole day against 2 opponents minimum.
So many so quick to point out the negatives you can really miss out on some great bits of play. I thought Levi fought hard and if he doesn't touch the ball much but draws a crowd allowing Charlie a bit more space... I'll take it.
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: northernblue on July 01, 2018, 11:20:42 am
I loved that bit of play on the southern back flank when Casboult was 1 on 4. Got blocked, fought past it, brought the ball to ground, still no teammate to help, fought them all on the ground and then got the ball over the line for a throw in. Absolutely zero on the stats sheet but absolutely vital for a guy who spent the whole day against 2 opponents minimum.
So many so quick to point out the negatives you can really miss out on some great bits of play. I thought Levi fought hard and if he doesn't touch the ball much but draws a crowd allowing Charlie a bit more space... I'll take it.
He did well in that passage, but it’s bloody hard to carry anyone who isn’t making an active contribution. We have several guys who regularly make low contributions, it’s why we talk about the taggers of old, because they don’t exist anymore. today you need to be able to hurt going the other way, and with 3 misses he didn’t hurt them...
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: northernblue on July 01, 2018, 11:21:36 am
Anyone who was at the game have any thoughts on Penrith’s progress ?
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: laj on July 01, 2018, 12:09:50 pm
He did well in that passage, but it’s bloody hard to carry anyone who isn’t making an active contribution. We have several guys who regularly make low contributions, it’s why we talk about the taggers of old, because they don’t exist anymore. today you need to be able to hurt going the other way, and with 3 misses he didn’t hurt them...
He did hurt Thomas though, and that was a good moment ????
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: LP on July 01, 2018, 04:18:47 pm
We were clearly better when Rowe was our Casboult, and that is a big problem for us!
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: Robblues on July 01, 2018, 05:08:50 pm
I loved that bit of play on the southern back flank when Casboult was 1 on 4. Got blocked, fought past it, brought the ball to ground, still no teammate to help, fought them all on the ground and then got the ball over the line for a throw in. Absolutely zero on the stats sheet but absolutely vital for a guy who spent the whole day against 2 opponents minimum.
So many so quick to point out the negatives you can really miss out on some great bits of play. I thought Levi fought hard and if he doesn't touch the ball much but draws a crowd allowing Charlie a bit more space... I'll take it.
Yes did well, great effort, but we are partly where we are is because we can't score a goal , we couldn't get one on eBay. So one effort doesn't change that, love Levi, but has been a hope for too long for us to go forward we need more than that
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: flyboy77 on July 02, 2018, 09:56:24 am
Yes did well, great effort, but we are partly where we are is because we can't score a goal , we couldn't get one on eBay. So one effort doesn't change that, love Levi, but has been a hope for too long for us to go forward we need more than that
Bad player management by BB and crew - again.
Shiould never have returned to footy straight into the seniors....
Title: Re: 2018 VFL Rd 13: Northern Blues vs Footscray
Post by: crashlander on July 03, 2018, 12:30:42 pm