Which team has fewer injuries?
In Cripps, McKay, and Deluca (he’s has 2 NB games, let’s see what he brings)
Out Lang, McGovern, Dow and Kerr if Weitering is out (Levi returns down back)
Weiters evidently has a broken nose.
Poor bugger.
Speedy recovery wishes.
McGovern needs a bit of ball in his hands, I'd start him up the ground on a wing and let him get a few early touches, he is a good player but is used to a very good setup and game style to get the best out of him. He is a finisher and needs decent service and when we are a better team he will be valuable but when its a scrappy error ridden game like today he wont be much value as we had no system and got beat up in the middle of the ground where the game starts.
I like Kerr but he wouldnt be any better value the way we played today. Cripps and Deluca would be definite ins..
Kerr reads it very well and is sharp on the lead.
My problem with McGovern is that he looks like he doesn't care, his effort and work rate are terrible. As I said elsewhere, Kennedy, Silvagni and Setterfield kicked 8 between them as lead up forwards today. That's McGovern's job, and he doesn't seem to be trying to do it. If those guys can get on the lead and mark and convert from the same service, then maybe the service isn't the problem
Don't forget the much maligned Levi kicked 3.
Playing a tougher side interstate so we'll likely win...lol.
We've beaten the two sides in the 8 (or were at the time), one now top 4, the other interstate, but lost to sides I thought we could roll. We're beating all interstate teams so why not!
The run in defence has helped him no end. I didn't think we'd see much more of him.
You realise they are going to thump us. This is likely to be a 10 to 12 goal flogging.
Only if we play like we did for the first 3 quarters. If we play like we did in the last, Sydney are toast.
Mind you, it is more probable that we'll play like we did in the first 3 quarters, but even low probability events do happen.
It's very difficult to play loose and fast at the SCG - every game I've seen there (which is plenty) looks like Under 8's. You could throw a handkerchief over the players most of the time. The AFL should mandate that any game on that ground should be 15 per side.
Anyhoo, Swans by 4 goals.
If Cripps, McKay and Cuningham all come back we are a big chance up there
Hopefully Jones can recover some of his pre concussion form. If he plays on Buddy like he played today..............
Buddy won't be back yet, hammy will keep him out for another couple of weeks at least
Doesn't always go that way. Some weeks we are crap, and lose by less than a kick, albeit to crappy sides, other weeks we beat top 8 sides. Either way we've spent 4 weeks sitting on the end of our seats having heart attacks irrespective of the opposition.
Reckon we more likely would've taken a thumping if we won today with that performance for 3 qtrs. We'd have got away with it and carried that over to next week. Seeing lost it might sharpen them more.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-2019-lance-franklins-300th-game-might-be-delayed-after-suffering-hamstring-injury-v-hawthorn/news-story/5de7565ce7d9c9daa440bf8e628ccc3a
This report says 3-4 weeks, and he injured it in R14 v Hawks, and we play them in R17, so he could make it, but certainly cutting it fine. Clearly, Buddy missing helps not just the team, but Jones as well. He seemed out of sorts today, and Buddy is the last thing he needs.
Maybe McGovern should be tried there.
McGovern's OK, he's creating space for the others but not getting it in return.
The kids keep taking their opponents to his marking contests, while he drags his opponents away from their marking contests.
I noticed LOB doing the same...
He is very unselfish player and his running patterns are all about making space for the others...
Main concern from me re. McGovern is his skills execution currently, esp his marking. If he had snapped up a couple of marking chances he had near goal, converted, and kicked the goal he narrowly missed then we could have claimed he'd had a reasonable day. Alas............
Anyway, I am confident he will come good.
LOB is a clever footballer, I struggle to see why we have Lang in the team when LOB could easily do that job, and LOB will go harder at the contest!
If LOB is going harder at the contest then Lang must be stuck in reverse.......both could attack the ball better IMO.
Have you watched Lang recently?
Watched LOB put his (little) body on the line in the defensive goalsquare to stop a rampaging Petracca from getting the ball and kicking an easy goal. Agree he avoided body contact in his early games, but puts it on the line when he has to now
Weitering has a concussion according to the CFC match report, and surely broke his nose as well. Great opportunity to give Goddard a few games and see what he can do. From what I read and hear of the NBs games he certainly deserves a run
Watched Lang closely in a couple of NB's games and he is a lurker who hangs back but doesnt commit unless the ball finds him.....LOB is a kid so he gets a bit more slack cut his way
but lacks consistency in a lot of area's including contested footy. I dont see what others see in LOB to be honest, contested footy isnt great, kicking is very average and he just makes me nervous when he has the ball.
Back to Lang....needs delisting at seasons end, Deluca should be straight in next week to replace him IMHO.
I don't get these blokes - you'd think they'd be busting a gut to prolong their AFL careers.....
Yes, deLuca should be straight in.
I thought he was decidedly ordinary at the weekend.
Other than some uncontested football he looked mostly out of the contest, I was surprised to see him listed in the best!
Well OK but Lang is certainly no better and Dow has been decidedly ordinary all year and keeps getting a gig.
Let's see what this bloke has at the top level?
If you wanted to reward form you'd have to give Cottrell or Polson a crack, they've been OK for a few weeks despite not playing a consistent four quarters.
Macreadie was probably the best of the rest, but he turned it over a bit, I have no idea how Fasolo gets votes each week, he must be the only name they can remember!
Marchbank has a non-displaced vertebral fracture, season over. There'll be a bunch of changes this weekend
Goddard has been consistent this season, wouldnt mind seeing what he has to offer in the seniors, does kick the ball well, maybe he can kick out as no one else has a clue
about doing that job.
One thing that was frustrating at the game was our kickins from points always seemed to go to exactly the same spot on the members side. It seemed like there was about 6 in a row (I think it was the third quarter?). Preuss just stood there and we kicked it straight to him every time!
If, and it is a big IF, H, Crippa and Cunners are fit, then they should come in.
Marchbank is out for the season. Weitering may or may not miss with his broken nose and concussion. Then we have the choice of who to drop, with Lang the most likely option.
Move Casboult back to CHB: he and Jones can take the taller Sydney forwards. H then goes to FF, with Mitch in a pocket, or maybe a flank.
The Sydney forward line is quite small at the moment, with their smalls being their main goal kickers. We have to put time in them.
We COULD try Schumacher as a small defender and Goddard as a tall defender: I'm not sure the Match Committee is radical enough to do that.
It would be very interesting to see if we play Silvagni in the middle in a negative role.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-07-08/no-footy-in-a-month-but-big-swan-could-return-to-face-blues
Glad Sinclair is out, he just racks up votes playing us, hope they play Cameron and we have a good look at him.
Might be one to consider for the future....
Swans are beatable IMO and if we can get Cripps back we are a chance.
I really want to love Dow and his highlights are great but when we don't have the ball he is pedestrian at best.
Zero urgency , even when he is only 10 metres from the ball.
I think its his tank but who knows ?
I think Lang did in fact improve as the game wore on - not hard I know. It took me quite a while to realise he was actually playing and then when I did clock him he made a couple of horrible clangers. Things did get better after that though. I would give him another go this week. My mate was told by his Geelong-supporting mate that he is in fact a pretty good player when fully fit and firing. Worth another try imo.
https://www.carltonfc.com.au/video/2019-07-09/injury-update-round-17
Thought the same thing, Fluffy One. Deserves another go.
Absolute last chance.
I think we're a good chance against the Fluffy Ducks.
Leave him in until the end of the year or we can put a line through his name for next season.
Whichever comes first.
There's a handful in that boat. Fasolo is another. Garlett might be worth a chance under Teague too.
Dow and o brien can have a rest. They'll both have good careers time to get them building form and confidence because the seniors need to workout who's worth persisting with.
Not too sure I feel the same thoughts. Well drilled team with defensive game that could have us turn the ball over way too often. They stand to lose more than we do, so I expect them to come hard with early intensity. I don’t like my feeling in my stomach for this game.
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Agree Mants. The Swans are tough and dogged. Will be a very big challenge for us. We must make a strong start and then stay focused.
Agreed, I expect them to be far more physical, given our recent weeks they will plan to take the run out of our kids long before the last quarter.
Sadly Mantis, I suspect that your stomach may be on the money. However, it only takes one team to be slightly off the boil to change the expected result. Hopefully, the Swans will underestimate us and we’ll blow them away in the first quarter :)
If they're missing Buddy, McVeigh and Sinclaire I don't mind our chances. Especially with Cripps & Harry back.
Hopefully the long trip back from Perth and the lack of tall forwards caused that bit of a dip last week.
They are also missing Sinclair and Buddy. Alir in the ruck means he won't be available to cover Harry/Levi.
Cripps back in and raring to go. And the SCG is not the fortress it once was.
Bring it on!
Fair enough T. but the Swans have plenty of other very very good players. I don't write us off but I'm not underestimating the task ahead, deep in enemy territory.
Green Stick good buddy, I have the utmost respect for your gut and what you say is right. Their brand of 'tight' footy could see us turn it over too much... but... Teaguey has stated that we're prepared, with our new game style' to quickly cover for turnovers. What leans me in our direction is our ability to score quickly and repeatedly and this might just be too much for the Fluffy Ducks. Plus, on this smaller ground Crippa could just run amok. All we need bring is to be switched on, scoring wise, from the get-go.
I think they will bring Darcy Cameron in to ruck so Alir can play down back....
And the likes of Reid and Hayward are no slouches up forward.
Papley, Parker, Heeney and of late Blakey are all capable goalkickers so not having Buddy has probably helped the
Swans become less predictable.
Word is that Jarrod McVeigh will also get up for this game so even without Buddy, Sinclair etc its not going to be easy on their home deck.
Cameron hasn't played for a month...good luck with that.
Very winnable game, especially with Crippa and Big H back in.
Goddard has been told that he will be playing. Good luck to him.
Fox reporting Weitering, McGovern and Marchbank all out injured
In: Cripps, McKay, Goddard.
Out: Marchbank, Weitering (both inj), McGovern (Managed).
No real surprises - good luck to Goddard.
Agree. Wondered why no one ever mentions it as it is the same every week and frustrates the sh1te out of me when watching live.
Fisher and Obrien are 2 others that come to mind that also need to improve that part of their game.
Best of luck to "Jean-Luc" Goddard, and 50 games for Zac Fisher. Well played matey. Let's hope he doesn't get stranded on 99 like his namesake.
What's MacGovern's excuse this time? Managed...more like dropped.
I reckon he's been carrying an injury for a while. Managed means we don't want to say what it is because it might get taken advantage of by the opposition.
Tend to agree. They have now decided that playing him with whatever (especially with Curnow and McKay out) is not doing his confidence or public perception any good and with McKay back in, it’s a chance to have a break.
Been really out of it for a while in terms of timing and judgement, either injured or lost all confidence.
Needs to come back via the NB's IMO and get some form happening..
Maybe we can tell the boys we are starting 6 goals down so they can start playing from the first bounce.
CARLTON
B: Dale Thomas, Liam Jones, Kade Simpson
HB: Lachie Plowman, Levi Casboult, Hugh Goddard
C: Lochie O'Brien, Sam Petrevski-Seton, Will Setterfield
HF: Zac Fisher, Harry McKay, Jack Silvagni
F: Michael Gibbons, Matthew Kennedy, Darcy Lang
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Patrick Cripps, Sam Walsh
Int: Ed Curnow, Marc Murphy, Nic Newman, Paddy Dow
Emg: Matthew Owies, Matthew Lobbe, Alex Fasolo, Josh Deluca
IN: Hugh Goddard, Harry McKay, Patrick Cripps
OUT: Caleb Marchbank (Injured), Jacob Weitering (Injured), Mitch McGovern (Managed)
NEW: Hugh Goddard
Good luck to Goodard. He has deserved his chance. Not sure that Lang did.
SYDNEY SWANS
B: Colin O'Riordan, Dane Rampe, Lewis Melican
HB: Jake Lloyd, Tom McCartin, Callum Mills
C: Kieren Jack, Josh P. Kennedy, Isaac Heeney
HF: Will Hayward, Sam Reid, Jordan Dawson
F: Tom Papley, Nick Blakey, Luke Parker
R: Aliir Aliir, James Rowbottom, Zak Jones
Int: George Hewett, Harry Cunningham, Oliver Florent, Ben Ronke
Emg: James Rose, Robbie Fox, Ryley Stoddart, Joel Amartey
IN: Kieren Jack
OUT: James Rose (Omitted)
So, after trying since 2002 we finally got Goddard playing fir us!
Interesting the club finally comes clean on McGovern carrying an injury, something many forums members had posted about for several weeks now.
Ya beat me to it.
LONG time coming.
On-going back and ankle issues. Barely able to get out and train. Good reason why he is looking so out of shape. If that's the case why were we playing him.
https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-07-12/no-need-for-clear-the-air-talks-says-teague
Agree give we had Patty Kerr champing at the bit plus Levi to fill in there as required (or Jack or Kennedy etc).
Not fair on the player either as he cops a world of $hit from the footy public when he's he not capable of performing anywhere near full capacity. He looks so out of shape.
Sounds like Cripps hasn't made the trip to Sydney.
False alarm.
https://www.bay13sports.com.au/latest-sports-news/2019/7/12/brownlow-hopes-restored-after-star-blue-confirmed-fit?fbclid=IwAR0YIcRulhlIF5O1xCOum_Wc5emmTGuAX7YxNhf_8oRTiMuxM0O-_luj48Y
Going to the game today !!
Enjoy! Hope we can do it for you!
The team has potential to look somewhat balanced if Casboult (or Jones or Goddard) plays forward.
I'm sick of seeing our forward line with only tall forwards and midfielders in it.
Please recruit small-medium forwards who are not just midfielders pretending to be forwards asap!!!
A couple more genuine small defenders may also be beneficial
I'd be gobsmacked if he isn't already 90% of the way there, Cripps has been BoG multiple times in losing sides!