We are not expected to win this one, but who knows?
Well, today was not what we wanted. However, it is possible that we could get some players back for next week. We need it. A couple of the guys out there really struggled today and shouldn't be there next week.
No chance. Tigers by 6 goals. They and the Lions are the 2 form sides in the comp, and are starting to get players back. They won't let this one slip. Too experienced, too cohesive, too well drilled, and too hungry.
I reckon we are 50/50 or maybe slightly better against the Saints, and a slim, unlikely, outside chance against the Cats, who seem to have lost their mojo.
It'll be a tough one, our problem is going to be scoring against them.
Well smash them in the ruck and midfield as it's our strength, but Nthmond don't care they just happily lose that clearance and force the HBF turnover for an I50. They want opposition forwards being forced to chase Nthmond defenders out of the critical zone, as it means even if the Nthmond HBFs or Mids turn it over the opposition have nobody forward of the center to kick to!
I think we are going to win this one, and everyone is going to take notice.
We can’t win this one. Let us dream and hope. Coming up against 3 of the best sides in the last 4 games is a super test for a side sitting in the bottom 4.
We have no chance whatsoever. I'd like to believe otherwise, but simply can't.
Big H needs to start scoring goals.
ps I reckon we'll push the Tigers all the way - we'll bounce back after yesterday's (somewhat flat) effort.....
And get a few good players back in the fold.
McGovern is one who owes his team mates a few bags of goals....
Will McGovern return for this one? Saw him looking on pensively from the stand yesterday.
Teague said Gov will play this week, just not sure if its VFL or AFL. He also said its hard to find a spot at the moment as the boys are giving effort.
Personally i'd give Goddard and Schunacher the flick, let them take Lang with them.
Bring back in Jones and Daisy for the first 2, and if fit, Cunners for Lang.
I'd give Gov a week in the VFL and bring him back vs Saints a week later,
Agree with a week in the VFL for Gov. I'd be shocked if Cuningham comes back this week, played very limited minutes in the VFL on the weekend
Lang looks like Cunners would've looked if he came back 2 weeks ago.
Limps around, slow as treacle, doesn't impact games much,...if at all.
An unfit Cunners could perform the same role Lang is doing currently.
Lang apparently is doing a defensive F50 role pretty well according to the commentary team. Saw him do a couple of good things but wasn't exactly overwhelmed by his contribution.
If McKay is fit I'm the Pope.
His kicking has gone from reliable to lacking penetration. I reckon he's playing through injury and McGovern might come in for him as an alternative.
Like him or not, our forwards kick more goals with him there than without him.
Lang must be delisted ... useless recuiting
From another site “I’m told it’s groin related- he can play with it but has changed his kicking style to ease the pain trouble... hence the wayward shots late in the season.”
With no Charlie, no McGovern, no Kerr, he’s almost the last man standing and this could make sense.
Lang is trying to play the Jed Lamb role but he is nit as annoying to his opponent - only to the fans who hope he will do something useful.
Cuningham has more to offer than Lang but he did stuff-all in limited game time in the curtain raiser.
Schumacher got caught out a few times due to lack of awareness and the pace of the game but I wouldn't mind if he gets another game; he looks promising.
It was like watching a train crash about to happen when Schumacher received a handball at halfback. I guess it was a good lesson for the young man. I thought he did enough to keep his place but will probably make way for Daisy. He was stiff not to get a free for in the back when Liam Ryan was paid the mark in the goal square.
He'll get use to life playing for Carlton, first he'll get angry, then he'll get even!
i think Thomas will come in for Schumacher, Kreuzer for Phillips, and Jones for Goddard. That's a much stronger team than last week. No-one bashing the door down for Lang's position unfortunately
Not sure where to put this, but Sportsbet just paid out on Sam Walsh to win the Rising Star. Doesn't mean he has won it, but those are betting $193,000 that he will
In: Jarrod Garlett, Liam Jones, Matthew Kreuzer, Mitch McGovern, Dale Thomas
Out: Angus Schumacher
I/C Garlett Phillips Thomas Jones Goddard McGovern Kennedy Gibbons
...and McGovern for Kennedy?
it must be - Gibbons a certainty.
Still think McGovern might play VFL this week
CARLTON
B: Nic Newman, Lachie Plowman, Kade Simpson
HB: Sam Petrevski-Seton, Jacob Weitering, Will Setterfield
C: Zac Fisher, Patrick Cripps, Lochie O'Brien
HF: Josh Deluca, Levi Casboult, Jack Silvagni
F: Sam Walsh, Harry McKay, Darcy Lang
R: Matthew Kreuzer, Marc Murphy, Ed Curnow
Int: Jarrod Garlett, Dale Thomas, Mitch McGovern, Michael Gibbons, Liam Jones, Andrew Phillips, Hugh Goddard, Matthew Kennedy (Four to be omitted)
IN: Matthew Kreuzer, Jarrod Garlett, Dale Thomas, Mitch McGovern, Liam Jones
OUT: Angus Schumacher (Omitted)
RICHMOND
B: David Astbury, Nathan Broad, Dylan Grimes
HB: Bachar Houli, Nick Vlastuin, Shane Edwards
C: Jayden Short, Dion Prestia, Shai Bolton
HF: Daniel Rioli, Jason Castagna, Kane Lambert
F: Liam Baker, Jack Riewoldt, Tom J. Lynch
R: Ivan Soldo, Josh Caddy, Dustin Martin
Int: Jack Graham, Sydney Stack, Brandon Ellis, Mabior Chol, Toby Nankervis, Jack Ross, Kamdyn McIntosh, Marlion Pickett (Four to be omitted)
IN: Sydney Stack, Toby Nankervis, Jack Ross, Kamdyn McIntosh, Marlion Pickett
OUT: Dan Butler (Omitted)
Interesting selections indeed.
Looks like Schumaker could be gone next year.
Not sure, he can play football.
The only thing that worries me is the apparent lack of physical development since he arrived. I'm not aware of him having any specific injuries, but he's as skinny as the day he was drafted or maybe even skinnier!
Having said that, we are not light on for medium sized defenders. Yet the lack of durability from Williamson and Macreadie might save Schumacher.
Can't see Garlett getting a game surely? Haven't seen his name once in the best in the VFL.
If everyone named in that team list is fit then for mine:
IN: Kreuzer, Thomas, Jones, McGovern.
OUT: Phillips, Schumacher, Goddard, Lang.
We've got enough small forward presence with DeLuca and Gibbons and enough medium size with Silvagni and Kennedy at times. Phillips would be unlucky as he's been pretty good but Levi playing well probably forces him out. He might not be 100% fit but we need McGovern in the team....we looked lost at times last week when McKay was marking way up the ground and then no marking presence forward and we just hit Jeremy McGovern or Barrass or Schofield time after time.
Yes I tend to agree - The Guv to just shade out Kennedy.
Schumacher unfortunately looked a bit shell shocked, especially early, but I wouldn't be writing him off completely just yet. As our team improves he should eventually get another opportunity under a bit less pressure - gee, the WCE would have been a scary baptism for him. He should get another year imo.
Garlett was OK last weekend, but judged relative to a rubbish team performance.
Not sure Lang would get dumped, but he's a chance.
I heard an unverified rumor McKay might be an out which perhaps explains The Gov.
The word seems to be that he has been carrying a groin injury but due to our lack of tall forwards, he's been the last man standing. With Gov now available, they may choose to rest him.
If that's true about McKay then would be almost tempted to leave Phillips in the team to ruck with Kreuzer and play Levi permanently forward...not ideal given his form of late, but McGovern on his own as the only tall forward after a month out and with no form line would be a big ask.
Agree on Schumacher.....Williamson looks a long shot to be able to make it with his injuries and Macreadie hasn't come on, so Schumacher deserves a shot at it as a medium defender but needs to bulk up a bit for sure.
Schumacher was ok last week, got caught a few times and got smashed by Yeo after his teammate set him up but he got up soldiered on and I thought he used the ball well and stood his ground
in marking contests. Reminds me of a taller young Simpson, I'd be keeping him in the team...
Lang was named in the 18 so he will stay in (unless he develops an injury).
+1 went past Cameron Polson in terms of looking comfortable at AFL level in his debut.
Different players Thry, Schumacher has no on ball tank at all.
The Simmo analogy is OK, but I'm not sure Schumacher will ever have that amount of run, some have likened his VFL game to Ken Hunter.
Some people look at players and thier abilities and say you cannot compare the two, and thats ok, but I rewind my thinking to a night match at the Adelaide oval, and young Cameron Polson looked completely out of his depth regardless of tank and ability to hit targets. Our team was slaughtered mercilessly by Port Adelaide that day and he didnt disgrace himself, but he didnt really look like he could play AFL footy. His endeavour was the only endearing quality. Today, his endeavour is still his only endearing quality.
Schumacher looked like he could be capable at this level. He hit targets well. Big difference. This was against a premiership team on his debut. I saw enough to think that he could be a back pocket for us in future.
He is just not ready yet to play week in and week out.
FINAL TEAM ????
In: MCGOVERN, KRUEZER, THOMAS, JONES ✅
Out: GODDARD, KENNDEDY, SHUMACHER, PHILLIPS (all omitted) ❌..
Bit harsh on Kennedy, but if Govs fitness is up to scratch, you'd think he'd be better than Kennedy.
When was the last time we dropped a bloke who'd was averaging 1.5 goals a game (after he'd kicked 9 goals from his past 6 games?
Big pressure on the Guv to perform though!
Agreed Kruddler....much prefer to have Lang go out as Kennedy can run through the midfield too and take a mark up forward....was it only a couple of weeks back he kicked 4?
Very harsh IMO, Kennedy deserved to stay in and McGovern should have come back via the two's given he had no fitness and no form.
Not sure what gives McGovern a automatic free pass back in other than his big contract..
I would have liked Schumacher to stay in as well given there isnt anything riding on the game and the kid showed enough signs he could be a player last week.
3 weeks ago.
TBF, Gov has kicked 17 from 13 games....and almost all of them were under Bolton when we were kicking 3 goals a game less than we are now.....and he was unfit.
So....yeah, pressure is on, but his form has not been terrible, relatively.
You bag out Obrien, but say Schumacher showed enough?
Schumacher showed that he might be looking for another club next year....only reason he got a game was because Daisy was a late out.
McGovern's last 6 games were horrible, hence he was banished to get fit. And it's possible that part of the reason we were kicking 3 goals less per game was that he was either unwilling or unable to apply any defensive pressure, and the opposition were just waltzing the ball out of our forward line. Since he's been gone our defensive pressure inside forward 50 has been markedly better. Kennedy deserved another go and McGovern should have had to show something in the VFL
The only part of that i need to take issue with is the suggestion that our poor form was down to Gov.
We were poor across the board by the time Bolton got sacked, and a fully fit Stephen Kernahan wouldn't have made a difference in place of Gov.
He'd better do something to warrant getting the nod.
Of course I wasn't suggesting it was all down to him, but it is possible that he was part of the problem, how small or big a part we'll never know. I also acknowledge he was being played unfit because our MC determined that was our best option, which is pretty unfair on Gov. Hope he comes back on fire, kicks 6 and we beat the Tiggers on Sunday
Getting dropped at the moment doesnt mean much. You might be in more trouble if you're getting a game.
My recollection was the ball was barely getting into our forward 50!
He is different to Obrien you are right, he stands his ground and manages to keep most of his kicks on the park rather than send them into the crowd. He got caught a couple of times but
kept at it vs a very good team in WC. At 192cm/83kg he has a bit going for him IMO given he is willing to play in front and with Williamson becoming more doubtful I'd be happy to continue with him.
Schumacher is a pick 70 and Obrien is pick 10......I'd be guessing but Schumacher is still a pick 70 plus on the trade table but LOB isnt going to get you anywhere near pick 10 anymore.
Dusty out tomorrow.
Sneaky chance IMO - like the ins this week.
Obviously have to play as we have been since Teague took over.....on the flip side if we repeat the performance against cheats played in what will be similar conditions will be a 60 point loss.
yep.
https://www.3aw.com.au/richmond-star-withdrawn-ahead-of-carlton-clash/?fbclid=IwAR1RZjbnWYwUkDdI5mfDSzNPFt7_nXs-lAmQH71onRWjDsQU0CxIa8algBg
Slight chance Sydney Stack will miss as well as he apparently left the track early with a.....calf...i think.
Richmond very cocky resting Dusty when they also have Cotchin out....think we are a chance to knock them over.
Which of our players are likely to thrive in heavy conditions?
I’ll be very interested to see how Gibbons and DeLuca go as they are bigger bodies who play close to the ground. Silk is silk in any conditions so I’d think Walsh will be ok. Just hope we’re not too too heavy.
Doubt the conditions will be heavy...most of the rain in the morning. The drainage and the wind will ensure a pretty good surface...
Most of our guys dont mind a wet deck.
Richmond's game suits it. They prefer to kock it on rather than take posession.
Maybe it's about avoiding the Cripps effect, players being sore and injured for weeks after playing against us!
Maybe Dusty is scared of Fisher taking him down again.....twice.
Garlett is the game day emergency. Let’s hope there is no last minute withdrawal.
Blokes who played Rd 1 not playing today:
Garlett, Charlie C., Fasolo, Cuners, Phillips, Dow.
The six ins:
Kreuzer, Deluca, SOJ, LOB, Lang and Levi!
Tigers:
Rance, Cotchin, Martin, Weller, Balta, McIntosh, Butler, Higgins,
Ins:
Ellis, Shai Bolton, Caddy, Rioli, Ross, Stack, Baker,Castagna and Chol.
Weather looking ok....most of the rain (or worse) should miss...
You can make light of it, but I've heard a number of AFL players comment about how hard playing against Cripps is, they really feel it. We talk about the toll it takes on Cripps being left to do too much heavy lifting, but of course it works both ways and has an impact on opponents.
Dont think Dusty would have been playing on Cripps, if you have been watching the Tigers of late they are trying to turn Caddy into a midfielder again and been using Jack Graham
in that role too...Dusty has been running free and back to his usual stuff like drifting forward and getting one on one.
Ross is another kid with a big frame and I'd expect a rotation job on Cripps, hopefully Ed tags Lambert who always slips under the radar when they have Cotchin and Dusty playing.
Of course not, but it doesn't mean they won't meet at contests throughout the game.
To me it sounds like the way defenders use to describe playing on Plugger or Johnathon Brown.