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Loved Dow's game today, more of that please Paddy.

Did our best to lose it but the usual suspects in Weitering, Jones and Ed Curnow held us together in the last quarter.
Like TDK's game in the ruck...didnt take flashy marks but worked hard in the ruck contests...
Dow also played his best game IMO....nothing flashy but good steady football and minimized his errors.
Not a great game standard wise but very enthralling to the end and very satisfying to get the win, I expected us to win well
but a grinding win can often be more what benefits the team and I hope we can back up again next week and grind another win vs Freo.
PS..Fogarty needs a clip around the ear......

He looked like he belonged.

Needs to build his tank more but signs are good.

LOB on the other hand....

Martin could/should have kicked 5.

That sloppy kick in the 3rd(?) down back....aaaah.

A couple of the whipping boys came good today…. Paddy Dow, Zac Williams, Jack Martín, Matt Kennedy, SPS.  When our stars align, we are a good team.

Martin has all the talent but just lets himself down by going missing or getting lazy at the wrong times.
When he touches the ball and is on song though he is a A grade player, just need to find what it is that prevents him from
being more consistent.

Martin has all the talent but just lets himself down by going missing or getting lazy at the wrong times.
When he touches the ball and is on song though he is a A grade player, just need to find what it is that prevents him from
being more consistent.

Playing them in their right spots helps!

His first few full seasons at GC were remarkable - and he was consistent.

Yes, it's between his ears....

Loved Dow's game today, more of that please Paddy.

Mmmm: Newnes.

Funny what happens when you play players in their correct positions. ;)

I might be wrong, but was Dow in at the first bounce?

SPS up forward/mid worked well. Martin playing closer to goals provided a good target inside 50.

And only he can fix that.

Funny what happens when you play players in their correct positions. ;)

I might be wrong, but was Dow in at the first bounce?

SPS up forward/mid worked well. Martin playing closer to goals provided a good target inside 50.

Did our best to lose it but the usual suspects in Weitering, Jones and Ed Curnow held us together in the last quarter.
Like TDK's game in the ruck...didnt take flashy marks but worked hard in the ruck contests...
Dow also played his best game IMO....nothing flashy but good steady football and minimized his errors.
Not a great game standard wise but very enthralling to the end and very satisfying to get the win, I expected us to win well
but a grinding win can often be more what benefits the team and I hope we can back up again next week and grind another win vs Freo.
PS..The Crows Fogarty needs a clip around the ear......

What do we need to do in order to get a fair run from the umps? The Cripps holding call, the Curnow decision, I don't even know what they called after he tackled a bloke and he threw it out, the Walsh 'sling' which was one single motion. I feel like the club  needs to say something it's beyond a joke.

JSOS worries me?

Is he injured?

The Guv comes straight back in imo.

And only he can fix that.

Jack Martin took a mark 20 metres out directly in front and had the ball punched out of his hands...  play on.

The most influential person on the ground wasn't playing. 

That was (another) shocker.

Clearly, clearly a mark.

His first few full seasons at GC were remarkable - and he was consistent.

Yes, it's between his ears....

We were crucified by the Umps. Some of the most bizarre decisions and non-decisions in the history of the AFL. We really were playing against extra players today. We got 14, compared to 22, but it was 1 to 9 at quarter time. When the ump wasn't giving frees, we kicked 8 goals.

Yes, there were some shockers ... like Cripps running at least 30m without bouncing, but it would have been a travesty to take that goal off him  :)

Yes, there were some shockers ... like Cripps running at least 30m without bouncing, but it would have been a travesty to take that goal off him  :)

Can you find one other one that swings and roundabouts our way?  Yesterday was as one sided officiating as I've ever seen.  Adelaide weren't even disposing of the pill correctly and play on was the call.  One of TeX's goals was an incorrect disposal against Liam Jones and the reply shows he got the handball away. 

I can think of about 6 decisions where the crows were effectively gifted goals and about 3 where we were denied goal scoring opportunities but I can't think of any other gifts we got aside from cripps running 30 metres without bouncing.

Newnes provided us with a game saving tackle with a couple minutes to go in the last.

Apparently Jack complained to Teague that he was only credited with one hitout when he actually got two.  He was going to confront Champion Data and demand that his second hitout be added   :D

Just on Dow, Kennedy etc.. Crows have a thin midfield with just Sloane, Laird, Keays and some kids.. It was encouraging but there were not the opposition big bodies or depth you find in other teams so we need to be careful before thinking everything is looking fixed.

Just on Dow, Kennedy etc.. Crows have a thin midfield with just Sloane, Laird, Keays and some kids.. It was encouraging but there were not the opposition big bodies or depth you find in other teams so we need to be careful before thinking everything is looking fixed.

Just on Eddie
We're all expecting him to finish up at the end of the year.

I never have ... don't want him to either.

That injury he suffered was (looking at the immediate aftermath) definitely his lower back as he clutched it.

I like the bit where we won it with 10 min of football rather than lose it in that time. Roles were reversed, Adelaide played ok for alot of it, come back, and lost like we usually do. Crows haven't been too bad as they have beaten Geelong and Melbourne, only side that's done that.

That late 2nd qtr burst, haven't seen any side play like that this year. Our best is really good. We just don't see anywhere near enough of it.

If we could maintain that intensity and effort for four quarters, we would beat every team.

What do we need to do in order to get a fair run from the umps? The Cripps holding call, the Curnow decision, I don't even know what they called after he tackled a bloke and he threw it out, the Walsh 'sling' which was one single motion. I feel like the club  needs to say something it's beyond a joke.

Yep, he sure did. But cameos won't cut the mustard if we're to be a top side.

I noticed when they were singing the song after the  game that Eddie didn't link arms with the players either side of  him. Plowman on one side made a couple of attempts to engage him but Eddie just gave him a tap and a nod.

Maybe he's protective of his personal space ;D ...or did he hurt himself (shoulder perhaps) in one of the contests (maybe the high flying landing). He was a bit sore after taking a mark at one stage and came off for a while but that looked more a hip or groin.

Just on Eddie
We're all expecting him to finish up at the end of the year.
Maybe he's not influential in every game.
But it looks like he still has a good spring, and his pace hasn't dropped off a great deal.
And you could probably argue that without Eddie, yesterday's second quarter burst doesn't happen.

What do we need to do in order to get a fair run from the umps? The Cripps holding call, the Curnow decision, I don't even know what they called after he tackled a bloke and he threw it out, the Walsh 'sling' which was one single motion. I feel like the club  needs to say something it's beyond a joke.

Not a word from the commentators either.

I thought there were a few shockers, the umpires didn't have a good day, especially early it looked like they were penalising players just for thinking about an infringement. The Cripps 30m run was pretty bad.

But I thought the worst decision all weekend was in the VFL, one of our blokes got throat fended Dusty style and had a free kick paid against them for high contact!

The same thing happened to Sam Walsh; a high fend-off resulted in a free to the offender.  Sam's attempted tackle may have slipped upwards but only because the Adelaide player's hand was forcing Sam's head backwards  >:(

Seedsman and Sholl aren't exactly kids and the Adelaide midfield did OK when they beat St Kilda in their last game.

But, you're right, it was a gutsy win against another struggling, inconsistent team and we're a long way from having everything fixed.  I'll be a lot happier if we can get a win over the Dockers next week ... COVID permitting.

Come on, thats not fair - DWAAAAAyne definitely commented on a couple of the shockers "maybe a little in the back" every time we were mauled. and "oh grabbed without it" every time there was a slight free adelaide's way.....

@LN

Enjoyed reading that LN. Couldn't watch the game live so might watch the replay later.  🙂

Sholl is only 21....but is a decent player and both he and Seedsman were among the Crows best, of course its a bit strange seeing the Crows with out a Crouch in the team and I actually forgot about Brad leaving and Matt being injured. The latter would have been a nuisance had he played..Pleasing for us was the consistent overall contribution from our mids, everyone did something including Newnes who I know some dont rate but I think he is a contributor most games he plays.

Some pretty ordinary footage of Zac Williams doing the rounds showing him dragging an Adelaide player off one of our blokes and slamming his head into the fake turf on the boundary line. It happened during the Weitering mallee, be very lucky if it doesnt get looked at.

3. As good as TDK was, I think we missed Pittonet a bit with his crash and bash style....Levi probably comes in against Freo to help out as Darcy and Lobb will try and work TDK over.

Yep, saw that. Think he's in trouble .... AGAIN.

Been given a week, deservedly so, a silly act that could have done serious damage. Lucky to only get a week I reckon.

G2C, agree but by the same token Fogarty could also have done a fair bit of kidney/rib damage with that cheap shot on Weitering and the MRO says, .... wait for it .....    NOTHING. All good. Insert puke emoji here ---->

Walsh is 20, Dow and De Koning are 21 and Fogarty is 22.  Stocker is 21 and he would have kept the Crows mids honest if Teague had have played him in his best position (but he did a pretty good job in defence).

It must have been strange for you to watch the Crows without either of the Crouch brothers EB - not so many handball receives  ;)

I agree about Newnes; he's an honest footballer who does the right things most of the time.  However, I would prefer to see one of our youngsters played instead of him ... if form demands it and the reserves weren't too flash by all accounts.

Williams is a D head and gets what he deserves,  but if a carlton player farts they get cited. Am I living in some kind of $@+!ed up parallel universe where only Carlton players get suspended, but hey,  smash into a bloke's back threee seconds late.... Yeeeeah nah worries maaaaaate we'll look after yah maaaaate .

The entire MRO system is rotten.  Whole system should be ditched.

Some pretty ordinary footage of Zac Williams doing the rounds showing him dragging an Adelaide player off one of our blokes and slamming his head into the fake turf on the boundary line. It happened during the Weitering mallee, be very lucky if it doesnt get looked at.

So for all this supposed Carlton hate by the MRO, this year we have had 3 suspensions, Plowman once and Williams twice. On both occasions, Williams was a dill and deserved what he got, Plowman we all know has been debated to death and opinions vary. I searched for a list of suspensions for recent seasons and couldn't find any but I'll bet we dont figure prominently in those figures. I think we need to removed the Blue Goggles when we look at these things, look at the presented reasoning and be objective. I'll say it again for the sake of it, the notion that the AFL, through the Umps, MRO and Tribunals, are out to get us is utter nonsense  IMO.

So for all this supposed Carlton hate by the MRO, this year we have had 3 suspensions, Plowman once and Williams twice. On both occasions, Williams was a dill and deserved what he got, Plowman we all know has been debated to death and opinions vary. I searched for a list of suspensions for recent seasons and couldn't find any but I'll bet we dont figure prominently in those figures. I think we need to removed the Blue Goggles when we look at these things, look at the presented reasoning and be objective. I'll say it again for the sake of it, the notion that the AFL, through the Umps, MRO and Tribunals, are out to get us is utter nonsense  IMO.

How does Plowman get suspended and Fogarty get off?

The MRP is a joke, it needs to go, or at the bare minimum it needs a new set of officials running it.

I lost confidence in the present process a long time ago. I am not saying that there is bias towards certain clubs and against others, no matter how well that might correlate. Never consider something enemy action if incompetence explains the same phenomenon.

To be honest, and not using my own affiliation as a bias, a (poorly) trained chimpanzee could do a better job than the present system.

I am quite happy about things that are consistent. That is not what we are getting.

In a way, I am probably stupid. I expect similar outcomes from similar actions. That hasn't been the case in my life time, so why should I expect it now? The present system awards outcomes resulting from the level of injury it causes. It has nothing to do with the actions or intentions of the player(s) involved. In that way I am amazed that Adelaide's McKay got off.

Fogarty's behaviour was an act of incredible stupidity that should have been sanctioned, of that there is no doubt. It was clearly deliberate and, just as obvious, was the intent to injure Weitering. Yet, because Weitering returns to the game, there is no suspension. Incredible.

Plenty of videos about showing the same action from a crows player on Stocker (head also hits the fake grass) and the cats player on Cameron.

We always seem to be on the wrong end of these calls. Selwood stuck his hands into someone's eyes last week, buddy hit someone high again, thw same action by two other players in the same week attracts no report. What's really going on here?

On Zac Williams: People call for a bit of mongrel and as soon as some one shows it, people on this site go all weak kneed. Does the crime does the time, good on him. Next time a bloke barrels into the back of Weitering they will know that they are likely to get their heads driven into the turf.

There's mongrel and there's mongrel, what Zac did was a terrible look and could have done some damage. Divorce it from the act on Weitering as its irrelevant.

Williams deserves 1 week (stupid act),but bigger concern is how we almost let that game slip away, crows players out running us again ,i thought footscray all over again.Need a new game style / plan for 2022

There's mongrel and there's mongrel, what Zac did was a terrible look and could have done some damage. Divorce it from the act on Weitering as its irrelevant.

Now the real problem is that Stewart from Geelong slammed a Brisbane players head into the turf and nothing. Thats a real inconsistency which needs explanation. Side by side videos of the two incidents are all over twitter.

Yep.

There's a very clear line between mongrel within the rules, and stupid mongrel. Fly the flag with vigour and passion by all means, but don't step over the line. Zac will need to be educated as to the difference.

I don’t have a problem with it at all.  He probably deserves a week off but smashing into an unsuspecting bloke’s back after he’s marked is worse and could have caused serious injury.  Weitering was certainly dazed and I was surprised that he didn’t have to go off.

I don’t have a problem with it at all.  He probably deserves a week off but smashing into an unsuspecting bloke’s back after he’s marked is worse and could have caused serious injury.  Weitering was certainly dazed and I was surprised that he didn’t have to go off.

With all due respect DJC rubbish! If the roles were reversed and Weiters did that to Fogarty and got suspended, you would have burned down AFL house.

Possibly ... but only before Plowman was suspended.  If Plowman gets suspended for accidental contact to the head in a genuine contest for the ball, Flogarty's late, deliberate hit on an unsuspecting Weitering must result in a suspension - if the MRO was consistent.

Remember that no-one remonstrated with Plowman but our players weren't holding back after Flogarty's hit.

Not related to the game but the club's response to the Williams racist post was pleasing.

The response came out fast and firm. As it should IMO. I hope they get to the bottom of it and the author learns an important lesson.

All strength to Zac and his 4 deadly brothers.