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Title: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: crashlander on July 17, 2021, 01:45:19 pm
We will answer the question: Can the Blues stand up this week? Granted our team has many structural problems, but we don't have quite as many as we did last week. Can we pull out the finger?
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Rick on July 18, 2021, 05:58:55 pm
In the end can’t stop 😀
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 18, 2021, 06:05:17 pm
Nice win for the club and Jack who was emotional at games end, reckon Serge gave him an extra helping hand with that nice back climbing mark he took too. Like the way Kennedy and Dow took on the responsibility to take on that extra work load with Cripps missing and it was made harder with Grundy as the opposition ruckman so kudos to them both. Liked Stockers shepherd at the end too...nice and physical is that kid and exactly whats required... Enjoyable always to beat at the Pies and end their run of success against us in recent games. Onwards and upwards....
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Baggers on July 18, 2021, 06:05:31 pm
I said to Mrs Baggers at 3/4 time, "We'll win this and H will kick 4" She told me I was nuts... although that is likely true, the way we were dominating the stopages in the 3rd was such a great sign of attitude and endeavour.
Wrapped to see Martin and Williams finally step up.
Pretty ordinary mob, Rottingwood.
Walsh... Walsh... what a champ. A+++
Da da da da dah... da da da da dah...
For you, Serge...
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Micky0 on July 18, 2021, 06:06:13 pm
You could see in the second quarter they were tackling with intent and the structure seemed to firm up
At 3/4 time being 8 points down I thought we were a good chance, Collingwood seemed to tire and their last quarter last week would’ve taken it out of them.
But even with that, we kept at it- TDK did very well, JSOS’ last mark, Sam’s goal, H grabbing everything that came at home - fish, Martin, Eddie, Kennedy - Hard working!
Weiters, love ya!
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on July 18, 2021, 06:07:57 pm
Nice win for us supporters, nice win for the boys, nice win for Teague and a nice win for Sergio.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 18, 2021, 06:08:09 pm
I said to Mrs Baggers at 3/4 time, "We'll win this and H will kick 4" She told me I was nuts... although that is likely true, the way we were dominating the stopages in the 3rd was such a great sign of attitude and endeavour.
Wrapped to see Martin and Williams finally step up.
Pretty ordinary mob, Rottingwood.
Walsh... Walsh... what a champ. A+++
Da da da da dah... da da da da dah...
For you, Serge...
Credit to Baggers.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 18, 2021, 06:10:12 pm
First time we have come from behind at 3/4 time this year. I said in the pregame with DJC that this game would show what character the blokes possess. They showed they have plenty of ticker which was refreshing to see. Everyone to man lifted when required.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: cookie2 on July 18, 2021, 06:11:59 pm
A spirit lifting performance, well done boys!
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: crashlander on July 18, 2021, 06:12:52 pm
Mirabile Visu! What a way to win a game! I am going to enjoy watching the game tonight.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 18, 2021, 06:14:13 pm
@Baggers - That win showed what I was talking about in the pregame, player driven. Despite playing crapola early, they never gave up, they never dropped their heads, Walsh and Weitering (and Jones) were pure inspiration for 4 qtrs. Everyone around them were a shambles, they just kept plugging away and inspired their team mates. Thats how I saw it anyway.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on July 18, 2021, 06:14:25 pm
58-9 last 1 1/2 qtrs. The goal that got we literally handed to them.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Baggers on July 18, 2021, 06:16:21 pm
First time we have come from behind at 3/4 time this year. I said in the pregame with DJC that this game would show what character the blokes possess. They showed they have plenty of ticker which was refreshing to see. Everyone to man lifted when required.
Spot on, GTC Old Son. Everyone put in, especially in that last qtr. This'll be great for their confidence and will show them what you can achieve with ruthless persistence (and scoreboard reward for effort).
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on July 18, 2021, 06:17:36 pm
Undermanned and far from our best footy, but the talent there is obvious.
We continue to beat the sides we should (with the odd exception) and are not embarrassed by anyone.
I've been saying it for a while now, but we are NOT that far away.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Mav on July 18, 2021, 06:18:51 pm
Does Teague & his assistants get any credit for the comeback? Did he adjust after the Pies took the lead? Even if he didn’t, he should get credit for not panicking and allowing the players to fight back. The players’ effort also shows he hasn’t lost the players.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on July 18, 2021, 06:21:15 pm
Does Teague & his assistants get any credit for the comeback? Did he adjust after the Pies took the lead? Even if he didn’t, he should get credit for not panicking and allowing the players to fight back. The players’ effort also shows he hasn’t lost the players.
Just had a quick scan of the in-game thread.
Plenty hear had Teague sacked and Clarko in before his seat was even cold. No faith in this club!
Doubt those same people will give him any credit for the win.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LoveNavy on July 18, 2021, 06:22:45 pm
When we came to play half way through q2, I thought we'd win IF we could maintain the pressure. A big IF.
I thought the centre bounce chain 👑 - Dow - Kennedy goal, with a touch of class from Eddie typified our game. Great signs in the absence of both captains. Suggests we are developing some midfield depth alongside our solid defense. Our defense had the wobbles following injuries, but showed today who is boss!
Congratulations to Captain Weiters.
All strength to SOS. I suspect Serge was inducted onto the Footy Gods Board today, and that he would be beaming with pride.
Very gutsy performance against a side that's had our number for years. Not today 🥧🥧🥧 It's our party now 🎉
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: capcom on July 18, 2021, 06:23:28 pm
I do like Fisher. In and at it :)
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on July 18, 2021, 06:23:35 pm
After a crappy start to the year we have equalled last year at 7-10. Better than 4-9. 3 of the last 4. Could argue we handed Geelong last week's game.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Baggers on July 18, 2021, 06:24:01 pm
@Baggers - That win showed what I was talking about in the pregame, player driven. Despite playing crapola early, they never gave up, they never dropped their heads, Waslh and Weitering (and Jones) were pure inspiration for 4 qtrs. Everyone around them were a shambles, they just kept plugging away and inspired their team mates. Thats how I saw it anyway.
Jones was a little out of it early, but, sheesh, didn't he work back into the game beautifully. Great stuff.
Whatever was changed a month back is working so well... the effort for every game in the past 4 weeks has been first rate. Fantastic to see them get reward for effort. Especially terrific considering our 'outs'.
Apart from the obvious champs, gotta give a shout out to Kennedy and Dow... their efforts were relentless and so hard at it. Along with Williams and Martin stepping up and finally imposing themselves. Onward and upward.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on July 18, 2021, 06:25:36 pm
Maybe play Cripps forward until Charlie returns given the lack of height there. Cripps is a decent contested mark and may handle playing forward well.
We have a decent record when Cripps doesn't play. Others who we thought we average step right up when they get to play a familiar role.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 18, 2021, 06:26:51 pm
Does Teague & his assistants get any credit for the comeback? Did he adjust after the Pies took the lead? Even if he didn’t, he should get credit for not panicking and allowing the players to fight back. The players’ effort also shows he hasn’t lost the players.
Weiters said in the post game they took away their easy uncontested marks (and possession) by playing in front. Who made that adjustment (coaches or players) I dont know.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 18, 2021, 06:30:38 pm
Oh and three highlights for me: 1. H kicking his 50th for the year (first since Walker in 2011) 2. Stockers bone cruncher in the last, that sound! 3. Superstars (Walsh goal to put us in front ((or was it Eddie)
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on July 18, 2021, 06:34:27 pm
Whatever was changed a month back is working so well... the effort for every game in the past 4 weeks has been first rate. Fantastic to see them get reward for effort. Especially terrific considering our 'outs'.
The biggest thing has been the opposition really....and confidence that we deserve to win.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 18, 2021, 06:36:16 pm
Saw him start a fight in the last which I liked also.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Slowhand on July 18, 2021, 06:40:55 pm
Loved Stockers hit in the last minute.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Professer E on July 18, 2021, 06:41:51 pm
Having a spit and a Charlie Melton tonight in memory of Sergio.... Thank you Carlton, you delivered today when you had to.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: kruddler on July 18, 2021, 06:42:31 pm
Fun fact of the day....
Jack Silvagni was our =5th tallest player today, listed at 191cm. (Jones, Weitering, TDK, Harry) Lachie Plowman is the same height (although some suggest he is 193cm), and is asked to play on the Eddie Betts' types.
2 blokes, same height.....asked to play on the tallest and smallest of opposition.
Jack gets credit for playing ruck and punching above his weight......which he should. Plowman gets chastised routinely because the smaller types give him a hard time. - Fair is fair. Give the bloke some credit.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Baggers on July 18, 2021, 06:42:35 pm
Another shout out to Newnes, Saad and Williams who fought on in discomfort with early injuries. Bravo, boys.
Stocker, you're a bloody ripper.
Well Skippered, Weiters.
As GTC said, everyone stood up when, really, really, really required.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on July 18, 2021, 06:55:21 pm
Jack Silvagni was our =5th tallest player today, listed at 191cm. (Jones, Weitering, TDK, Harry) Lachie Plowman is the same height (although some suggest he is 193cm), and is asked to play on the Eddie Betts' types.
2 blokes, same height.....asked to play on the tallest and smallest of opposition.
Jack gets credit for playing ruck and punching above his weight......which he should. Plowman gets chastised routinely because the smaller types give him a hard time. - Fair is fair. Give the bloke some credit.
Plowman costs goals week after week and is poor decision maker. Had an opportunity to run across and kill a contest near the boundary instead just lopped in, Coll player marks and has a shot on goal. On another occasion he comes second man in (unnecessarily) and lays a crude tackle, free kick. Henry kicked goals on him because he was clueless when he has to defend. I'm sick of the excuses. Our defence has been poor this year and he is a weak link that must be replaced. The gap between his best and worst is huge.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 18, 2021, 07:02:49 pm
I think the coaching box missed him and over compensated by playing a 5 man forward line....
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on July 18, 2021, 07:18:34 pm
I'm happy for the win, but it is frustrating to see the boys playing in patches, and as a consequence making things harder for themselves. The Pies also play in patches, and if I'm being honest I think we got a little lucky that our good patch coincided with their bad.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on July 18, 2021, 07:19:21 pm
Plowman gets chastised routinely because the smaller types give him a hard time. - Fair is fair. Give the bloke some credit.
He did a great job today, which allowed the likes of Saad, Williams and Williamson to get up the ground. Fans crucify Plowman because he makes the effort to get to unwinnable contests, and he will inevitably get caught out and cannot win them all, so they blame him and not the guys who left those players unmarked.
But if Plowman doesn't leave his man and make those contests the guys like Saad and Williams would be anchored in D50.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: DJC on July 18, 2021, 07:22:54 pm
Does Teague & his assistants get any credit for the comeback? Did he adjust after the Pies took the lead? Even if he didn’t, he should get credit for not panicking and allowing the players to fight back. The players’ effort also shows he hasn’t lost the players.
It seemed to me that Williams and Saad played further up the ground in the second half and got plenty of intercepts coming off at 45 degrees. However, whatever Teague said to the boys at three quarter time was gold and he deserves credit for that.
I'm just toasting the boys, their coach and the great Sergio Silvagni with an Irish single malt ...
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: 31Tommys_barber on July 18, 2021, 07:30:47 pm
Dow and Kennedy have improved out of sight since our stoppages coach Barker left. They are getting a regular game obviously feel that they belong and looking at them after the game are clearly enjoying being part of the team. Even SPS is starting to play alright away from the hbf, and seeing fisher in the centre in the last gave us a bit of grit I wonder if it was Barker who wanted him to be a small forward and SPS a hbf. Can’t wait till Stocker can spend some more time there as well. Amazing when players are played where they were recruited to play and not judged on the forced poor development of Bolton’s era where we were told just get 50 games into them.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on July 18, 2021, 07:41:04 pm
Look at the way the fixture is structured, win the next 2 weeks and I reckon we sit in the 8.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LoveNavy on July 18, 2021, 07:43:52 pm
Robert Harvey: It was the dam wall Their midfield really got on top We just couldn't stop it
4 or 5 wks ago I would not have predicted that commentary about our midfield. It's a credit to the players and coaches. There's been obvious progress since the bye.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: 31Tommys_barber on July 18, 2021, 07:49:28 pm
Jack Silvagni was our =5th tallest player today, listed at 191cm. (Jones, Weitering, TDK, Harry) Lachie Plowman is the same height (although some suggest he is 193cm), and is asked to play on the Eddie Betts' types.
2 blokes, same height.....asked to play on the tallest and smallest of opposition.
Jack gets credit for playing ruck and punching above his weight......which he should. Plowman gets chastised routinely because the smaller types give him a hard time. - Fair is fair. Give the bloke some credit.
Jack is still taller than Big Nick!
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on July 18, 2021, 07:52:49 pm
He did a great job today, which allowed the likes of Saad, Williams and Williamson to get up the ground. Fans crucify Plowman because he makes the effort to get to unwinnable contests, and he will inevitably get caught out and cannot win them all, so they blame him and not the guys who left those players unmarked.
But if Plowman doesn't leave his man and make those contests the guys like Saad and Williams would be anchored in D50.
Fans (me anyway) criticise Plowman because he lopes when he should run, makes dumb decisions regularly and costs the team energy sapping goals. Not many say he never does anything good and that he deserves zero credit for anything but he needs to sort out what's going on between his ears because his panic attacks cost us goals and more importantly impact on all of the younger players around him.
Not to say he doesn't get some tough jobs and holds some good small forwards on occasion.
His good may or may not outweigh his bad but we need to set our sights higher as a club than blokes who get aren't ALWAYS bad. We need elite calm decision makers - especially in defence.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: jeza on July 18, 2021, 08:13:28 pm
Jordan Boyd Levi Casboult David Cuningham Charlie Curnow Sam Docherty Michael Gibbons Caleb Marchbank Oscar McDonald Mitch McGovern Alex Mirkov Marc Murphy Sam Philp Marc Pittonet Patrick Cripps
14 out. What an effort to win 3 of the last 4. Zero depth in the big men stakes. Dekoning too young to be playing first ruck and still bring home the 4 points.
SOS was immense today. Such a competitor!
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LoveNavy on July 18, 2021, 08:28:40 pm
Touching post-match scenes of SOS and his teammates. Tough bugger Stocker providing much love staying right by his side offering words of comfort. As sad as this loss is, it also offers another opportunity to galvanize the group. Serge would like that.
Well done to all today. Did us all proud 💙
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Sexybronco on July 18, 2021, 08:35:00 pm
Stocker’s hit on Mihocek topped off a great last quarter, he’s had it easy against us as have many others in the past, made a real statement. Respect to SOJ and Sergio, never saws him play but you know from the way he is remembered that he epitomised playing for the club.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: laj on July 18, 2021, 09:13:07 pm
Stocker’s hit on Mihocek topped off a great last quarter, he’s had it easy against us as have many others in the past, made a real statement. Respect to SOJ and Sergio, never saws him play but you know from the way he is remembered that he epitomised playing for the club.
I remember the 2nd half of his career. No memory of his first 5 years. Hard, tough physical beast, great finals player and a good reason why he is in Carlton's Team of the Century. Our best player in the 1962 Grand Final. An all time AFL great.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: crashlander on July 18, 2021, 09:15:50 pm
Fans (me anyway) criticise Plowman because he lopes when he should run, makes dumb decisions regularly and costs the team energy sapping goals. Not many say he never does anything good and that he deserves zero credit for anything but he needs to sort out what's going on between his ears because his panic attacks cost us goals and more importantly impact on all of the younger players around him.
Not to say he doesn't get some tough jobs and holds some good small forwards on occasion.
His good may or may not outweigh his bad but we need to set our sights higher as a club than blokes who get aren't ALWAYS bad. We need elite calm decision makers - especially in defence.
Plowman isnt chasing cheap kicks, getting paid a fortune for the easy rebound role and gets given the tough jobs on the players no one else wants to play on. He will have his failures because the degree of difficulty with his opponents is usually high, I'm sure he would like to sit back get 20 easy kicks, a few intercepts, and wander down for the odd goal but some poor sod has to get some bruises and play some defense as we cant have everyone rebounding.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: DJC on July 18, 2021, 09:35:05 pm
Jack Silvagni was our =5th tallest player today, listed at 191cm. (Jones, Weitering, TDK, Harry) Lachie Plowman is the same height (although some suggest he is 193cm), and is asked to play on the Eddie Betts' types.
2 blokes, same height.....asked to play on the tallest and smallest of opposition.
Jack gets credit for playing ruck and punching above his weight......which he should. Plowman gets chastised routinely because the smaller types give him a hard time. - Fair is fair. Give the bloke some credit.
Jack is 194cm, Lachie is 193cm.
Jack does very well as a relatively undersized key forward and remarkably well as a very undersized ruckman.
Lachie does very well as a third tall defender who is able to match up on taller opponents as well as smaller, faster opponents. Lachie does cop criticisms for errors or poor decisions that cost us goals but, generally, the mistakes were made long before the ball arrived in his vicinity. He is an important and very underrated part of our defensive structure.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: flyboy77 on July 18, 2021, 09:39:42 pm
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on July 18, 2021, 09:41:11 pm
I don't get the Plowman hate, we missed him terribly when he was so unjustly treated by the MRP and Tribunal.
He helps deliver structure and dependability to the D50, I suspect in terms of defence he is probably the 3rd picked behind Weiters and Jones. He is never going to be a Weiters or Jones, and he is not a Saad or Williams, so he gets all the unfashionable jobs you do not want the others stuck with. But he'd still be 3rd picked.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: flyboy77 on July 18, 2021, 10:00:48 pm
Harry then daylight.
Betts plays on. Great season. Still has the gift.
Owies showing hard work and perseverance still have a place.
Levi - gone.
Lacking a 2nd (Charlie) and 3rd tall (Guv).
Martin has had a poor season - carrying a serious niggle you would have to think?
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Baggers on July 18, 2021, 10:04:28 pm
I don't get the Plowman hate, we missed him terribly when he was so unjustly treated by the MRP and Tribunal.
He helps deliver structure and dependability to the D50, I suspect in terms of defence he is probably the 3rd picked behind Weiters and Jones. He is never going to be a Weiters or Jones, and he is not a Saad or Williams, so he gets all the unfashionable jobs you do not want the others stuck with. But he'd still be 3rd picked.
Same here LP. He is a vital part of our defensive structure.
As a matter of interest, how many goals were scored by his direct opponent(s) today and how many score assists did they have? I can't think of any.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: DJC on July 18, 2021, 10:22:28 pm
He sure was hard at it, be stiff not to get 3 Brownlow votes. ;)
Thought he was a bit cocky actually....hehe.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: DJC on July 18, 2021, 10:37:45 pm
One of my favourite moments was just before the final siren when Stocker delivered a shepherd/bump that knocked the stuffing out of Mihocek. Stocker is 184cm and 83kg, Mihocek is 192cm and 97kg but Stocker executed a textbook hip and shoulder that gave his teammate a clear passage and gave Mihocek something to think about next time we play the Pies.
Stocker and Mihocek were involved in some argy-bargy in the middle of the ground just minutes before and I couldn't help thinking that there was some payback involved in the bump.
Stocker doesn't take a backward step and it's good to see that doesn't mind dishing a bit out ... within the rules.
Another moment was when a young Collingwood player collected Eddie in the jaw. His response was along the lines, "Oh no! I've just shot Bambi!" It must be hard when youngsters come up against one of the present day icons of the game.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: DJC on July 18, 2021, 10:46:42 pm
No, Williams was on Henry when he got two of his goals and Walsh was his opponent for his first goal.
Were those two covering at the time?
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: dodge on July 18, 2021, 11:33:58 pm
I thought the first 1/4 and a half the endeavour and effort was good, however, a lot of wasted energy as there was no connection anywhere, so we were running around like headless chooks and turning it over - really suffering by not having a CHF coming down the ground to kick to. This energy use, I thought was going to bite us when we did get it sorted. Nearly turned off the TV.
It was just me watching until half way through the third, then the rest of the family joined in. It was great. There were some solid efforts by heaps, but the energy and enthusiasm grew. Family didn't like how anxious I was until we were 4 goals up!
As a note, Dow has always been really strong in the hips - now he has matured, he gets through some tackles pretty well.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: JonDorotich on July 18, 2021, 11:35:36 pm
Great win today, loved H, JSoS, Weitering, Williams, Saad, Eddie, Walsh, Dow, Stocker and Kennedy, but I’m sorry Plowman and Newnes have to go now
Yes they work hard, but they’re both average-poor players and you’d be very hard pressed to find any non-Carlton supporter say otherwise.
I’d be playing McGovern in Plowmans spot once the former is available and I’d also be replacing Newnes with one of Carroll, Honey or Kemp, as soon as one of them is ready.
With those regards replacements we’ll be better again.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Gointocarlton on July 18, 2021, 11:58:10 pm
I thought the first 1/4 and a half the endeavour and effort was good, however, a lot of wasted energy as there was no connection anywhere, so we were running around like headless chooks and turning it over - really suffering by not having a CHF coming down the ground to kick to. This energy use, I thought was going to bite us when we did get it sorted. Nearly turned off the TV.
It was just me watching until half way through the third, then the rest of the family joined in. It was great. There were some solid efforts by heaps, but the energy and enthusiasm grew. Family didn't like how anxious I was until we were 4 goals up!
As a note, Dow has always been really strong in the hips - now he has matured, he gets through some tackles pretty well.
The first qtr and abit were as bad as Ive seen from an execution point of view. When we are bad, we look like at team of individuals that have come together to play for the first time. No cohesion whatsoever.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: shawny on July 19, 2021, 12:04:19 am
Jordan Boyd Levi Casboult David Cuningham Charlie Curnow Sam Docherty Michael Gibbons Caleb Marchbank Oscar McDonald Mitch McGovern Alex Mirkov Marc Murphy Sam Philp Marc Pittonet Patrick Cripps
14 out. What an effort to win 3 of the last 4. Zero depth in the big men stakes. Dekoning too young to be playing first ruck and still bring home the 4 points.
SOS was immense today. Such a competitor!
Agree that’s a long injury list but in all honesty the bulk of the list are not first starters. I reckon there is only 4 maybe 5 on that list that make our team better then the one fielded today. The rest are either unknowns back ups or finished. And even then you will struggle to find 5 players to drop out to make way. Pies also had some good outs too in Howe Daicos and Moore and have a stand in coach and are sitting 15th on the ladder. I was very pleased with the win but let’s not get too ahead of ourself and make out like we fielded a reserve side and beat a top team. We did what we should have today imo and should be able to do the same in the next few weeks with the opposition we are facing.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on July 19, 2021, 08:06:40 am
Plowman finished top five in the 2019 and 2020 B+F, top 10 in 2017. Rated by 2 senior coaches. Spoken about in positive terms by Teague. The club appealed his suspension earlier this year, which they don't often do. Last year he signed a 3 year extension, which runs until the end of 2023.
For better or worse, he's rated by the club, and not going anywhere.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Sexybronco on July 19, 2021, 08:50:09 am
Plowman finished top five in the 2019 and 2020 B+F, top 10 in 2017. Rated by 2 senior coaches. Spoken about in positive terms by Teague. The club appealed his suspension earlier this year, which they don't often do. Last year he signed a 3 year extension, which runs until the end of 2023.
For better or worse, he's rated by the club, and not going anywhere.
Amen, just shows how far away fan opinion is sometimes from reality in the football world.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Baggers on July 19, 2021, 09:09:09 am
Same here LP. He is a vital part of our defensive structure.
As a matter of interest, how many goals were scored by his direct opponent(s) today and how many score assists did they have? I can't think of any.
Well said, Spotted One and David.
Plowman gets the 'thankless task' every week. He is obviously valued by his team mates and that says a great deal. Integral part of our defense.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Baggers on July 19, 2021, 09:27:13 am
I bang on about passion, ruthlessness, spirit, soul and brand... well, we have seen all of that since the bye. On these things you can build a dynasty.
Since Luke P has moved into a coaching role (temporarily) and Barker has gone there is a palpable shift in intensity. When Luke P worked with Cuningham and Dow, each player improved in all aspects of their game. Luke has stated that he will return to development when he is no longer required in the coaches box... great, we should extend his contract by 5 years!!!
Scoreboard reward for effort is so, so very important... which The TT acknowledged in his media conference post game. Spot on. And did we all not witness a further lift in intensity and commitment once we got the scoreboard ticking over with goals, not points! At the risk of making an extreme comment, that last qtr so reminded me of the CFC sides I saw in the 70s/80s & 90s where would we smote an opponent in one 'premiership' qtr.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on July 19, 2021, 09:36:02 am
As a matter of interest, how many goals were scored by his direct opponent(s) today and how many score assists did they have? I can't think of any.
Interestingly, even the media have picked up on the Plowman bashing. I noticed the specialist commentator carrying on about Plowman's direct opponent, I think it was Henry, but it wasn't really Plowman's opponent at the time it was Williamson's opponent. Plowman was covering for Williamson who was pushed up the ground into our F50, I suppose we were trying to drag Henry out of the Filth forward zone but he wasn't leaving goal range. In the end Williamson got involved in a couple of scoring chains in our F50 so that tactic worked despite making our D50 look vulnerable.
It all comes down to how much pressure we apply up the ground on the opposition ball carrier, no defender be it Weiters, Jones or Plowman can defend against lots of open space and unhindered free ball use by opposition mids and flanks. But if that ball carrier is put under pressure and made to kick the ball long and high we back in guys like Weiters, Jones and Plowman to at least get a fist into the footy.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: DJC on July 19, 2021, 09:49:34 am
Interestingly, even the media have picked up on the Plowman bashing. I noticed the specialist commentator carrying on about Plowman's direct opponent, I think it was Henry, but it wasn't really Plowman's opponent at the time it was Williamson's opponent. Plowman was covering for Williamson who was pushed up the ground into our F50, I suppose we were trying to drag Henry out of the Filth forward zone but he wasn't leaving goal range. In the end Williamson got involved in a couple of scoring chains in our F50 so that tactic worked despite making our D50 look vulnerable.
It all comes down to how much pressure we apply up the ground on the opposition ball carrier, no defender be it Weiters, Jones or Plowman can defend against lots of open space and unhindered free ball use by opposition mids and flanks. But if that ball carrier is put under pressure and made to kick the ball long and high we back in guys like Weiters, Jones and Plowman to at least get a fist into the footy.
The ability of Williams and Saad, and Willo and Stocker to a lesser extent, to go up the ground, intercept and drive the ball forward was an important factor in our win. The negative side to that tactic is the pressure applied to the stay at home defenders and Plowman is inevitably one of those. A very underrated and much maligned player is our Mr Plow!
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: DJC on July 19, 2021, 10:06:20 am
No, Walsh and Plowman were trying to cover for Williams for Henry’s first mark/goal. Plowman was on Elliot for a while but he was more often covering for Williams and Saad. Newman was covering for them too and he’s another who is unfairly criticised.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on July 19, 2021, 10:12:37 am
No, Walsh and Plowman were trying to cover for Williams for Henry’s first mark/goal. Plowman was on Elliot for a while but he was more often covering for Williams and Saad. Newman was covering for them too and he’s another who is unfairly criticised.
Yep, it's not static opponent allocations like fans tend to believe players are told, it's more role based and Newman and Plowman are playing very similar roles and doing it well. But it inevitably leaves them in the hot seat from the time to time.
We will see more of this if Teague get's his way, he basically told the fans that is what he wanted the team to do, and when we do it well you can see it's got merit.
In my opinion it's no accident Teague has this game plan, he is a career AFL defender of significant quality, and he knows what worked and what didn't. He knows how to make the opposition uncomfortable because it is what made him uncomfortable, and Plowman and Newman are players very much cast in the mould of Teague.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Blue Moon on July 19, 2021, 11:15:51 am
Great win by the Blues. At the start of the second half Collingwood had Grundy, Adams, DeGoey and Pendlebury in the centre square against DeKonning, Walsh, Kennedy and Fisher. On average they were six years older than the Carlton players and we gave them a spanking. They are not going to get better and we are. First quarter and a half, Grundy was BOG, got crunched in a marking contest, and wasn't sited for the rest of the game. As talented a player Grundy is, he often fail to impose himself on games and can be quite passive. Collingwood is playing a lot of money for a player who is not going to carry them to a flag. Dow, SPS, Kennedy, Fogarty, Stocker, Walsh, Fisher and Cuningham have all shown they are capable of being part of Carlton's next mosquito fleet. Setterfield and O'Brien are still on the runway. Kemp, Philps, Ramsay, Carroll and Durdin are still in development while Cottrell, Owies and Honey look like good late picks. Collingwood's game style is high octane with players buzzing everywhere which is why they can only put one quarter together and why they are always looking to slow the game down. Because they have refused to draft key forwards under Buckley, and they want to use ruckmen as key forwards, they can't consistently drive long to the goal square. They always have to run the ball in and hit up leading players. Looks good when it works, but doesn't work often enough. Once Grundy got knocked down and stopped influencing the game, they were always going to struggle to keep kicking goals. I was happy with our running game even when our handling errors cost us goals early. I was rapt in the effort of DeKonning and Jack in the ruck. They really got on top in the last quarter. Our backline is starting to play as a team rather than as individuals against their immediate opponent. Williams, DeKonning and Plowman al cost us goals with errors as did Newnes in the middle of the ground. In the end Collingwood only really earned five goals Our forward line is starting to function as a group. Martin looks better as a marking target than a small forward. we still miss too many easy goals. Owies seems to have misplaced his goal kicking ability. He might just need a rest for a couple of weeks to freshen up his mind. I thought Silvagni's mark in the second amongst three tall Collingwood defenders was better than the mark he took in the last. I thought this would be Eddie's last year. I think Eddie should go on. With our mid-field function the way it has over the past few weeks, I think Cripps should play as a forward but play it like a mid-fielder/ leading forward and really run his opponent into the ground. This way he could always go into the centre if we really need him. With potentially Cripps and Charlie to come in to the side in the next few weeks, and Honey, O'Brien, (I still have hope), Setterfield, Carrol and Kemp doing ok in the seconds, and maybe Murphy, McGovern, McDonald, Casboult and Pittonett being able to return, we might have a squad to take us into the finals if we happen to make it.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on July 19, 2021, 11:21:48 am
Yep, it's not static opponent allocations like fans tend to believe players are told, it's more role based and Newman and Plowman are playing very similar roles and doing it well. But it inevitably leaves them in the hot seat from the time to time.
We will see more of this if Teague get's his way, he basically told the fans that is what he wanted the team to do, and when we do it well you can see it's got merit.
In my opinion it's no accident Teague has this game plan, he is a career AFL defender of significant quality, and he knows what worked and what didn't. He knows how to make the opposition uncomfortable because it is what made him uncomfortable, and Plowman and Newman are players very much cast in the mould of Teague.
Good point about Plowman and Teague and knowing what being a true defender is all about.....Newman was missed when he was injured, but is undersold in terms of value. Makes the odd mistake but is generally ok with ball in hand and stays reasonably close to his man. Unfortunately its hard to see how Docherty fits in that backline now IMO and even taking it further I thought we were better defensively around the ball with Cripps out of the Full Time midfield.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on July 19, 2021, 11:32:45 am
Good point about Plowman and Teague and knowing what being a true defender is all about.....Newman was missed when he was injured, but is undersold in terms of value. Makes the odd mistake but is generally ok with ball in hand and stays reasonably close to his man. Unfortunately its hard to see how Docherty fits in that backline now IMO and even taking it further I thought we were better defensively around the ball with Cripps out of the Full Time midfield.
In fairness to both playing injured isn't a fair measure, as it is not a fair measure to Williams in his midfield rotations. I suspect long term Doch will be back on the HBF, and guys like Williams and Stocker will get more mid and forward rotations.
We certainly need to strike a better balance for Cripps in the midfield, but he has to work on his F50 craft for that to be fair on others.
I think guys like Setterfield, Cottrell and Gibbons might be the big losers in all this, at least in the short term. Cottrell I like, he has that edge we lack and compliments players like Stocker and Newman.
I think if the AFL extend the bench as rumoured it might play into our hands.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Baggers on July 19, 2021, 01:59:31 pm
Re H's 2nd goal... anyone else notice that after the H mark the teev cutaway to one of the boxes and there was SOS applauding... wonder if he was also applauding the little noticed terrific tap out from the centre by SOJ to Walsh, to H?
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Baggers on July 19, 2021, 02:09:24 pm
PS, ah to dream... when I saw SOS applauding in the box I thought for a moment it might have been the coach's box... how good would it be to have SOS involved in coaching... he would sure command respect and demand a level of commitment that would be bloody terrific. Might not thrill Liddle, but most highly successful organisations still have senior individuals who might not get on so well... no gem stone was ever created without time in the tumbler.
Director of football on the Board... now that'll get some of us here polarized and leaping about! Be a helluva lot better than Judd whose head was mostly elsewhere planning how to make more loot. SOS would at least be focussed with his heart in the job, not hesitating to call others to account and setting a high bar re club success - on field!!!
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: jeza on July 19, 2021, 02:37:48 pm
Great win today, loved H, JSoS, Weitering, Williams, Saad, Eddie, Walsh, Dow, Stocker and Kennedy, but I’m sorry Plowman and Newnes have to go now
Yes they work hard, but they’re both average-poor players and you’d be very hard pressed to find any non-Carlton supporter say otherwise.
I’d be playing McGovern in Plowmans spot once the former is available and I’d also be replacing Newnes with one of Carroll, Honey or Kemp, as soon as one of them is ready.
With those regards replacements we’ll be better again.
Tend to agree. There are a few guys playing like they're just holding a spot rather than really going out there to help win. Not that Newnes or Plow were terrible. Just limited players who are just hanging in there.
Loved Kennedy's game in particular. Collingwood's midfield steamrolled us earlier in the year but he went toe to toe with them and was brilliant. Walsh likewise but that goes without saying.
Dekoning was an absolute liability in the first half but gee he stepped up the desperation and effort in the second half. Just wanted it more than Grundy on so many occasions. Worked his butt off also.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: jeza on July 19, 2021, 02:43:22 pm
With potentially Cripps and Charlie to come in to the side in the next few weeks, and Honey, O'Brien, (I still have hope), Setterfield, Carrol and Kemp doing ok in the seconds, and maybe Murphy, McGovern, McDonald, Casboult and Pittonett being able to return, we might have a squad to take us into the finals if we happen to make it.
I would love to see O'Brien in particular given a go in the post-Barker era. I still rate him. Guys that can run like him with disposal skills that good need to be given as many chances as possible.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: jeza on July 19, 2021, 02:47:48 pm
PS, ah to dream... when I saw SOS applauding in the box I thought for a moment it might have been the coach's box... how good would it be to have SOS involved in coaching... he would sure command respect and demand a level of commitment that would be bloody terrific. Might not thrill Liddle, but most highly successful organisations still have senior individuals who might not get on so well... no gem stone was ever created without time in the tumbler.
Director of football on the Board... now that'll get some of us here polarized and leaping about! Be a helluva lot better than Judd whose head was mostly elsewhere planning how to make more loot. SOS would at least be focussed with his heart in the job, not hesitating to call others to account and setting a high bar re club success - on field!!!
SOS to the board? That would be a dream appointment. If he nominated and it went to a members vote he'd win by a landslide!
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on July 19, 2021, 02:50:17 pm
I would love to see O'Brien in particular given a go in the post-Barker era. I still rate him. Guys that can run like him with disposal skills that good need to be given as many chances as possible.
I'd also like to see that, but I get the feeling his papers are stamped, or very close to it. Any opportunities will be tokenistic (in dead rubber matches) or forced (because of injury) IMO.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: townsendcalling on July 19, 2021, 03:11:03 pm
Everyone talks about players having ‘to earn the respect of the playing group’. Walsh did it in a nano second, Saad almost immediately and Williams is a work in progress.
Go back 12 months ago, and there were rumors all over the place re Stocker, his return home, place in the group and his commitment. Well based on the last month or so, I would say that he has earned the respect of not only the playing group, but also the Carlton faithful at large.
He’s only played SEVENTEEN games, but his commitment to the game and his team mates has been first class (arm around JSOS after the game says heaps)
In 2022, there will be lots of jumpers sold with 9, 18 and 30 on the backs, but watch out for the No. 13s. There will be heaps!
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: jeza on July 19, 2021, 03:27:25 pm
Stocker has been steadily improving. The more comfortable he's feeling about his place in the team the better his kicking is getting. Would love to see him get a game in the midfield.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: DJC on July 19, 2021, 03:30:31 pm
Director of football on the Board... now that'll get some of us here polarized and leaping about! Be a helluva lot better than Judd whose head was mostly elsewhere planning how to make more loot. SOS would at least be focussed with his heart in the job, not hesitating to call others to account and setting a high bar re club success - on field!!!
I reckon SOS would be brilliant in that role but Liddle would be screaming 'Conflict of interest!'
Seriously though, having a bloke with SOS's experience, steely determination, strength of conviction, and love for the club on the board would be just what we need to keep the focus on sustained on field success.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: WASurfer on July 19, 2021, 03:33:04 pm
Have said it before but JSOS has been seriously under-rated before. We missed him last year when he was injured and missed him every game this year he's been injured. If we had 22 players every week that crossed the line with that sort of intent and non-stop effort, we'd be a top 8 side for sure. That last 1/4 hanger and barrel to Harry was an iconic image. It was beautiful to see the emotion and support from team mates at the end.
And as others have said, Stocker gets better every week. Mihocek is not a small bloke but that hit was right up the middle...and fair...and flattened him. With 30 seconds to go he could've been forgiven for not going flat out at the contest but he didn't flinch.
Kennedy is one who I've thought has been hard done by in a way by match committee and hasn't been given as good a run at it as others but since he's come back into the side he's been terrific and seemed to relish the responsibility in recent weeks.
In a fair to middling season, wins over Collingwood and Essendon make it a lot brighter.
With 2 very winnable games coming up, hopefully the players can keep the intensity and effort up....we'll start favourites this week....and that scenario hasn't always been kind to us.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: rocky on July 19, 2021, 03:47:11 pm
Great win by the boys and I really didn't think we would. Have been scarred too many times before on a Sunday afternoon/night. It certainly was a team effort. Hard to find a player who was having a bad day. Even when we were behind we seemed to be playing quite well but just couldn't convert. Just finished watching the replay. Big summary as it is Collingwood. My thoughts;
Walsh - Well, there is no point. We all know. Will win the Brownlow. Yep, this year. Kennedy - Hard to believe it took so long to get this bloke in the team when he was getting it done in the 2's. Has vindicated his selection 10 fold. Dow - Should never have been dropped when he was (after that eye injury) and is gaining in confidence with each game. Goes hard at it and I think that impacts his output as he isn't that big and it may be taking a toll on his endurance. Really happy about how he's going. Another one that we here on this forum could see needed game time. Saad / Williams - Think they are both playing under duress and we are getting a pretty good return under the circumstances. Both use the ball very effectively MOST times. Curnow - Just flies under the radar and gets the job done week in, week out. I don't think I've ever seen Ed play a game and not get a kick (under enormous pressure) away just in the nick of time and in most cases with effect. I've said this before but he can play on for as long as he wants in my book. De Koning - Better after half time. Was playing against one of the best so can cut him some slack and he's had a MASSIVE workload for a young skinny ruckman so kudos to the team for keeping him on the park. If he goes down we're cactus. Weitering - Solid. Mihocek got away from him a couple of times, but he was our best back I thought. Jones - Certainly his return gives us a lift and was also very solid, but I wish he could go through just one game without poleaxing one of his own teammates in a contest and do it to an opposition player. Martin - Pretty happy with Jack's game. Certainly his best for many weeks. Seemed to be moving a bit better so maybe the knee is improving. Once he slots those easy 20 metre out goals I'll be convinced he's 100% Cottrell - Also probably played his best game for a while and may have done enough to get a start next week. Newnes - Like Saad and Williams, seemed to be playing under duress and did well enough I thought under the circumstances. Williamson - Probably didn't play as well as the last couple of weeks but had a couple of really good moments and nearly kicked a smart goal. He stays Fisher - Got time in the middle and even started the last quarter on the ball so I'm hoping the club sees him more as the on-baller rather than the small forward as I think this is his role moving forward. Silvagni - Happy the kid did his nonno proud. Think he'll get another contract. Well he should anyway. Petrevski-Seton - Not his best game but like Willo had a couple of cameo moments. Also one of two players on the day that received the worst 50 metre penalty call I've ever seen? The other was the Collingwood kid. Betts - Did his usual stuff. Think we're all a little bit surprised by how well the old man is going. Does he get another year??? Plowman - Actually not as bad as I first thought. I'd had a few beers yesterday so he is the automatic target when the beer goggles take hold. Look there were a couple of mistakes, but all in all he was, like the rest of the backline, solid. Newman - Pretty good. Nothing outstanding. Owies - Probably the weakest link of the team. If Cripps comes back next week, someone has to make way and I think he may be the one. Has had a good run of it. McKay - This may come as a surprise to most but I think Harry is the most important player in the team. Even ahead of Walsh. I'm not being flippant when I say gun midfielders are a dime a dozen, hell they are the ones who win the Brownlow every year, but to have a key position forward who can kick a bag of goals wins you premierships (with Dusty being the exception). He is a generational player and if we manage to get Charlie on the park and playing to his potential, God knows how far we'll go. Stocker - Saved the best to last. Cult hero has arrived. Been a long time since we've had one like this bloke. Just does things like that shepherd, that send a shiver up and down your spine. Don't even care if he stuffs up anymore, he got me at hello. Can't wait for the days when he plays on the ball. There goes another shiver just thinking about.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Baggers on July 19, 2021, 04:13:07 pm
I reckon SOS would be brilliant in that role but Liddle would be screaming 'Conflict of interest!'
Seriously though, having a bloke with SOS's experience, steely determination, strength of conviction, and love for the club on the board would be just what we need to keep the focus on sustained on field success.
I tried to hit multiple likes for your comment, David but our system wouldn't allow it :) So here's a 111 likes... yep, 3 no. 1s in a row! You'll know what that represents.
Seriously, I wonder if SOS has even considered this. I wonder if we (BlueBagger Members and supporters) lobbied for SOS to be the Director of Football on the Board he'd think about it. If it came to a vote from Members... landslide.
Ps. Don't care what Liddle would claim. This is heart, soul of the club stuff... not to mention deeply and thoroughly qualified.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Macca37 on July 19, 2021, 04:31:39 pm
I thought the first 1/4 and a half the endeavour and effort was good, however, a lot of wasted energy as there was no connection anywhere, so we were running around like headless chooks and turning it over - really suffering by not having a CHF coming down the ground to kick to. This energy use, I thought was going to bite us when we did get it sorted. Nearly turned off the TV.
It was just me watching until half way through the third, then the rest of the family joined in. It was great. There were some solid efforts by heaps, but the energy and enthusiasm grew. Family didn't like how anxious I was until we were 4 goals up!
As a note, Dow has always been really strong in the hips - now he has matured, he gets through some tackles pretty well.
I wish I shared your strength to absorb mental torture. I had had enough by the end of the first quarter, turned off the tv and drowned my sorrows with a pleasant bottle of red.
All too late I found out we had won. Fortunately I was able to see a replay at 1am today.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: capcom on July 19, 2021, 04:36:33 pm
Anyone other than Liddle ... do NOT like him.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: RiverRat on July 19, 2021, 06:39:21 pm
De Koning - Better after half time. Was playing against one of the best so can cut him some slack and he's had a MASSIVE workload for a young skinny ruckman so kudos to the team for keeping him on the park. If he goes down we're cactus.
I reckon TDK's contribution, from midway through the 2nd quarter, was instrumental in the turn around - impressed me much.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LoveNavy on July 19, 2021, 06:45:10 pm
Just watched the replay. A few observations:
- we are not dependent on Cripps - Kennedy and Dow's time in 2's pays off - Natural growth of many is now on show - Walsh 🤔 nope, got nothing - TDK learning on the run, needs support - SOS Strong yet vulnerable. Fallible yet brilliant. Above all a natural tenacious footballer who is loved and respected at CFC - Weiters Jones and co are a team within a team - 1:1 had Weiters grinning like a Cheshire cat - Stocker developing rapidly. Future leader. Support for SOS post game was touching - New recruits settling in - H is for holy sh&$ wait till he plays with Charlie - Eddie's an eternal gift to AFL - Effort becoming more consistent - Lapses reducing - Goal kicking a priority - Umpiring slightly favoured us 😯 - Most parts are in place. Next is to play together. Then the rise 🚀 - We're becoming an attractive destination club. Like it or not - AFL boys club (too much??)
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LoveNavy on July 19, 2021, 07:09:03 pm
Stocker's bone cruncher not featured at match review.
Fisher, and Adams fined for wrestling
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: DJC on July 19, 2021, 07:35:49 pm
Stocker's bone cruncher not featured at match review.
Fisher, and Adams fined for wrestling
You would hope not; it was a perfectly executed bump within the rules and there was no high contact. Of course, with Michael Christian, you never know ::)
Only Fisher and Adams fined? Stocker, Mihocek, and possibly others, were willing participants :o
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: PaulP on July 19, 2021, 08:55:44 pm
Coaches' votes and current leaderboard.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: tonyo on July 19, 2021, 09:09:57 pm
- we are not dependent on Cripps - Kennedy and Dow's time in 2's pays off - Natural growth of many is now on show - Walsh 🤔 nope, got nothing - TDK learning on the run, needs support - SOS Strong yet vulnerable. Fallible yet brilliant. Above all a natural tenacious footballer who is loved and respected at CFC - Weiters Jones and co are a team within a team - 1:1 had Weiters grinning like a Cheshire cat - Stocker developing rapidly. Future leader. Support for SOS post game was touching - New recruits settling in - H is for holy sh&$ wait till he plays with Charlie - Eddie's an eternal gift to AFL - Effort becoming more consistent - Lapses reducing - Goal kicking a priority - Umpiring slightly favoured us 😯 - Most parts are in place. Next is to play together. Then the rise 🚀 - We're becoming an attractive destination club. Like it or not - AFL boys club (too much??)
Kennedy and Dow must play for the rest of the year. Something building there. Funny how when Crippa isn't playing, it gives others the chance to show their wares. TDK has played 17 games of senior footy, but held his own against one of the best. Needs to spend the summer in the gym. Stocker will be a gun - close to our best kick atm. Silvagni will only be better when he gets 3rd or 4th defender instead of #2. Weitering and Walsh a lock for AA selection. 2 games in 3 weeks Walsh seals a win with a stunning goal. Saad and Williams now providing drive instead of running around in circles. Only kick to Harry if he can mark it 50 out on a 45 deg angle - doesn't seem to miss from there.
Still a long way off serious contention, but the darker clouds are starting to part. Just wish we could have those games against Sydney and WCE all over again.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: dodge on July 19, 2021, 09:29:45 pm
We're a form team of the comp...
won 3 of the last 4 - along with 4 other teams won 3 of the last 5 - 2 have done better with 4/5, 6 have also won 3 of 5.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: DJC on July 19, 2021, 10:33:03 pm
Jack Martin's performance was a huge improvement and a factor in our win but two votes in the AFLCA award? They're having a laugh ::)
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Micky0 on July 19, 2021, 11:15:10 pm
Agree on Stocker. Something about him that is - as someone said previously - cult hero status in the making.
He backs himself, good kick, has made a few stupid mistakes but then doesn’t go off the boil and run around headless chook like. Really like the look of him and hope he continues on this path and with us!
I thought it was Cripps clapping in the box after Hs mark? Not SOS?
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Sexybronco on July 20, 2021, 06:53:35 am
Agree on Stocker. Something about him that is - as someone said previously - cult hero status in the making.
He backs himself, good kick, has made a few stupid mistakes but then doesn’t go off the boil and run around headless chook like. Really like the look of him and hope he continues on this path and with us!
I thought it was Cripps clapping in the box after Hs mark? Not SOS?
Correct, I’ve watched it multiple times looking for SOS but it was definitely Cripps. Not sure family would have been allowed in due to COVID.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: flyboy77 on July 20, 2021, 07:08:54 am
Kennedy and Dow must play for the rest of the year. Something building there. Funny how when Crippa isn't playing, it gives others the chance to show their wares. TDK has played 17 games of senior footy, but held his own against one of the best. Needs to spend the summer in the gym. Stocker will be a gun - close to our best kick atm. Silvagni will only be better when he gets 3rd or 4th defender instead of #2. Weitering and Walsh a lock for AA selection. 2 games in 3 weeks Walsh seals a win with a stunning goal. Saad and Williams now providing drive instead of running around in circles. Only kick to Harry if he can mark it 50 out on a 45 deg angle - doesn't seem to miss from there.
Still a long way off serious contention, but the darker clouds are starting to part. Just wish we could have those games against Sydney and WCE all over again.
And the GWS game too.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Lods on July 20, 2021, 10:27:51 am
I'm not sure whether it's been mentioned but did anyone else feel something changed when Jack kicked his goal. The team got around him and it may have been the spark that got things going.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: WASurfer on July 20, 2021, 11:13:15 am
Definitely Lods.....prior to that goal I think it was Collingwood's biggest margin of the game....something clicked.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Baggers on July 20, 2021, 12:14:42 pm
I'm not sure whether it's been mentioned but did anyone else feel something changed when Jack kicked his goal. The team got around him and it may have been the spark that got things going.
Yep, it sure did help, a lot.
I thought the boys were 'on' from the get-go but seemed to, in psych terms, be 'over aroused' which led to errors... that Rottingwood capitalized on.
The SOJ/SOS/Serge motivation was palpable with ample evidence to support such an observation. One of many was the terrific care shown by Stocker for SOJ... along with TDK and others.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: Blue Moon on July 20, 2021, 02:00:32 pm
My one last observation about the game is that Carlton looks a lot better when Big H kicks goals in the last quarter instead of points.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: pew2 on July 20, 2021, 04:33:36 pm
my big worry is that again we fell behind (20pts ) against a bottom 4 side and again we played 1 quarter of football ,glad we won for sergio and family though.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: LP on July 20, 2021, 04:35:43 pm
my big worry is that again we fell behind (20pts ) against a bottom 4 side and again we played 1 quarter of football ,glad we won for sergio and family though.
This is 2021 football, we need to get use to the huge momentum swings under the current rules.
It's the team that adjusts the fastest and makes the most of those changes that will win the game, the Handbaggers manage it very well, makes them always look in control, Pies couldn't put on the brakes when we got a roll on, even Grundy started to struggle.
Title: Re: Post Game Passion; AFL Rd 18: Carlton vs Collingwood
Post by: spf on July 20, 2021, 10:20:35 pm