Sunday at 1340, a rather odd time. The game is at the MCG, which is positive for us.
Do we fear the wounded Power? They have been embarrassed in recent weeks. But Wines will be out for them.
If they had Dixon back I would be more concerned but I cant see us losing to them especially being a home game for us.
No doubt they will be tough given their present situation but I think Hinkley must be on the edge of getting the boot and Kochie will be sharpening the axe..
Having Pittonet in for this game could be the difference between winning and not.
Having Cripps out is a huge loss for us.
Kennedy and Cerra need to lift. I am sure they will.
Fisher , Martin and Setterfield on thin ice.
Stocker, Dow, Durdin and Kemp ins for me.
Maybe coaching group will see this performance as an aberration and give them one more chance. Interesting to see how this one pans out.
Wines a definite out, and it looks like Lycett will be as well, so the only ruck option they appear to have is a first-gamer. On the flipside, Robbie Gray is back in.
If we don't win this, all of the good work in the first 3 weeks will largely be evaporated. Freo in Perth the week after, and we may be back in the pack on 3-3.
But let's be positive and say we'll be 5-1 !
I'd say Sam Hayes will play his first game as you suggested in the ruck and they will probably include Finlayson to co ruck as well as play forward. The latter kicked goals in the SANFL last game and Hayes is a decent size kid but vs Pittonet will find it tough going.
With Wines and Lycett out we would have no excuses, Port are miserable away from home and really undermanned.
Gonna take a lot to crawl back from 0-5 and an already poor percentage if port lose.
Undermanned sides can be really dangerous. I have never forgotten the semi-final against Geelong in 1994 when they went in without Couch, Hocking and Brownless, yet they tore us a new one.
Adversity can be a strong motivating force, and there are no easy games any more.
Pretty sure Bairstow might've been also missing that day Tonyo?
Michael Mansfield, Garry Hocking, Mark Bairstow and Paul Couch,
Despite our strong start to the season, the benevolent society which is CFC will hand Port their fist win, nothing surer.
I'd 'effin hope not GTC
I think the mindset of Cerra, Kennedy, Walsh and Hewitt will be totally different going into a game KNOWING that Cripps is out vs losing him mid match and needing to reset their roles. It shouldn't make a difference.....but it does.
I'd like to think Vossy knows them inside out and it should be a huge advantage like Hansen and the WB's.
I'd like to think the new Carlton is different to that old Carlton but...
Been beaten around the head to much by Old Carlton and Sundays effort was just plain unacceptable if we are to earn the respect of the competition.
Dont be so sure of Cripps being out. Rumours swirling around that that the scans revealed no damage and will be monitored this week and tested. It suggests to me that were ultra cautious on game day as they thought they could win without him.
I like it, l like it... alot. :))
Dixon and Wines out will help us no doubt. If Lycett follows suit, that’s a bonus. Hopefully Grey will be a bit scratchy too.
GC game has bought back all the bad Carlton nightmares. We can’t and shouldn’t assume we’re a certainty in any game.
Go Blues
If he couldn't run out the game last week, don't play him this week.
Did we learn nothing from his form playing injured over the past 2 years?
Look at how well he played in R1-3 when he was fit.
Dow -> Cripps
Stocker -> Boyd
Pittonet -> Plowman
Or maybe we subbed him out so we could problem solve in real time how to cover his absence if he did break down in earnest?
We should have been able to win without him, the fact we didnt is a bit irrelevant. On the way the game was played, I couldnt help but think we could have done a lot better with some better ball use. We just failed to capitalise when we should, and the Suns are going to be one of those teams that do well when their tails are up.
Is Dow OK or injured, he was absent for the bulk of the last quarter in the VFL?
Stocker for Boyd is a no brainer, Stocker played very well in the VFL.
Not sure Pitto for Plowman makes sense, we were already slow and that is removing run, more likely from last weekends effort that Martin goes out and De Koning floats forward with SoJ dropping into the Martin role.
Hopefully Durdin is right to go this week too....he's been pretty good in the first 3 weeks and reckon we missed his forward defensive pressure too. I'd have him in for Fisher this week.
Fisher is just not exhibiting enough so easy choice :)
Hard to see Fogarty holding his spot either.....that might save Fisher?
But tend to agree with others on Jack Martin. If Pittonet is good to go, Silvagni stays forward and Martin might be surplus? His game last week was pretty much his career in a nutshell....came out and looked good for the first quarter or so and then just faded away again. He's done that too many times in his career at Carlton.
Reports are Alir Alir might be back this week.
Think Footy Classified had both Alir and Gray back for Port but Wines still missing and it seems Lycett is also very doubtful.
I couldn't give a rats ass who is in or out for us or them, we need to develop a very strong "anyone, anytime, anywhere" attitude.
Them's fightin' words GTC :)
Dow -> Cripps
Pittonet -> Fogarty
Stocker -> Boyd (who didn't do much wrong)
Durdin -> Fisher
If we can't squeeze Kemp into the 22, he should be the sub.
Pitto for Fogarty made sense in the pre-game?
Pitto in the side means we have to defend less because we actually get the ball out of the centre.
We missed him more than we missed Cripps in the second half. Not only does he compete against the biggest and the best and hold his own (at worst) he does so for a full match. TDK was shot in the 3rd quarter.
And supporters would have a perfect right to demand our higher paid players perform to justify their paypackets. We have too many supposed "stars" doing way too little.
We must never tolerate that.
Boyd wasn’t in the 22 so you still have one more to flick out.
If we don't get smashed in the middle we should be fine - expect Kennedy and Cerra to lift for this one.
Yes, you’re right!
Newman gets the flick for not sticking to the “how can I be a better teammate” mantra.
If they don’t, they should be playing in the reserves next round.
Not much bloody fight from our blokes on Sunday Cap.
Whether Cripps plays or not, I would like to see Dow and Stocker in along with Durdin and Pitto (if fit).
There a few options that can make way for the above, chose from:
Martin
Fisher
Boyd
Owies
Newman
Plowman
Fogarty (I had really high hopes for this guy but...)
In the VFL games I've seen this year I thought Stocker, Parks and Dow are deserving of a recall. Mirkov is coming along nicely as are Motlop and Kemp. Will Hayes of the VFL listed blokes is doing himself plenty to gain attention for the vacant spot. There will be a few eyes on Crocker as well.
Be interesting to see who gets a call up this week. Parks for Plowman and Stocker for Boyd for starters. Won't be long before Motlop comes in for Fisher. Durdin for Fogarty would seem obvious. (Dow for Crippa).
How far away are Omac and Gov?
Surely we should be expecting one or both of them back soon?
OMac is a test this week, he could well come straight in but perhaps this week he is not needed with Port having a smaller F50.
Should come back via the VFL. Interesting to see how we man up Port's forward line. McGovern almost always has a reasonable match-up. Oscar doesn't, but he is honest, he can take a nice mark and you can usually trust his kicking. A certainty when we player teams with bigger forward lines.
Isn’t it amazing how it’s plainly obvious to most supporters but not the inner sanctum.
Some may say that’s because we’re less informed or don’t understand what the coaching panel is instructing the players to do (and there is truth to that), but I also think the players personality, charisma, friendships have an impact.
On that basis, Plowman’s personality must be off the charts!!
Must have a hot sister....
He is probably a great clubman and much loved among the group (players and coaches). He is probably an outstanding citizen also. From my point of view though, what I see is someone who lacks confidence one on one, when he gets isolated, you can almost see the error coming before it happens (a fumble, a missed spoil, leaves his man when he shouldn't etc). He often gets given (or maybe puts his hand up for) a dangerous small fwd and again, to me he looks like he panics more often than not. For me, bottom line is he is not a defender. I don't know where he played his junior footy, if it were up to me I'd find another role for him.
If Port do have a smaller forwardline, surely OMac is a better pick than Young?
Omac is shorter, quicker, more agile and thus, surely more suited THIS week than any other week.
Also, it'd be a good test to see if his body is up to it. We could cover him if its not. Rather than risk it in a more important match.
We might not need either O'Mac or Young this week, perhaps Kemp is the better choice.
Maybe, but Kemp and Young could be the future. We need to know if we wanna persist with OMac.
He was pantsing Young (and kemp) in the pre-season. Deserves another crack.
Young was good against the Hawks but looked shaky last week for sure. I'm surprised he wasn't given a run in the ruck last week.
I agree, when he is certified as fit.
Pittonet + Parks are named in starting 18
Plowman, Boyd and Cripps will miss this week.
Fogarty, Fisher, Setterfield - very lucky.
I would have dropped all these three before Plowman (and its no secret what think of him).
What is voss seeing that most do not?
Fogarty should buy a Tattslotto ticket. Likewise, Fisher.
Please, Motlop, put in a blinder in the Magoos.
No Stocker?
Hopefully Parks doesn't get the job on Finlayson when he goes forward.....he'll be way too smart for Parks.
Finlayson would be too big for Parks and probably Weitering or Young would have to take him.....I dont want Parks on Georgiadis either, kid kicks like an arrow and Parks isnt the smartest defender on our list from what I have seen.
Gray would want to have a close checking player on him too, hope he is rusty...
Hayes is on the extended bench so I expect Lycett to be an out, .....
We had trouble matching up on Gold Coast's tall forwards with Lukosius, Chol and Casboult all stretching our taller defenders. Taking Young away from defence would have made life very difficult for our backs.
Well, now I know why I didn't get a response to my offer to sit on the match committee, I obviously have NFI :)
Actually, I think that Parks deserves a call up. He is a very different footballer to the raw but enthusiastic bloke who did a fairly good impression of a headless chook in his games last year. I would back him in to get the better of whoever he is matched up against.
I am a little surprised that Paddy Dow didn't crack it for a definite spot in the 22. If he doesn't make the final 22, he has to be the sub.
I reckon the final four players will be De Koning, O'Brien, Setterfield and Williams, with Owies unlucky to miss out.
For mine
In: Matthew Cottrell, Corey Durdin*, Paddy Dow(s), Jack Newnes, Marc Pittonet*, Luke Parks*
Out: Patrick Cripps (hamstring), Jordan Boyd, Lachie Plowman
Interchange from: Matthew Cottrell Tom De Koning Paddy Dow (sub) Jack Newnes Lochie O'Brien Matt Owies Will Setterfied Zac Williams
Owies and Fisher better do something this week
Personally I think Plowman is a bit stiff, in the last quarter it was only the old blokes like Doc and Plowman having a genuine crack, but then it was too late and too little effort from too few. The damage was done by the lack of impact from guys like Martin, Fogarty, Cerra and Fisher over the first 3/4.
I'm not a critic nor a fan of Plowman. As objective as I can be, the bloke does seem to suffer from too few strings to his bow. He gives his all and in certain circumstances is reliable, but possibly too easily exposed.
Parks deserved to be picked. Still a little rough around the edges but is a competitive beast, and we love that.
Stocks probably needs another week in the Magoos... too early for recall.
Perhaps we need to remember that Vossy & Co. have only been there 5 minutes and still need time to learn about certain blokes. He's certainly giving them every opportunity. If Fisher has 'peaked'... he's on borrowed time.
We've one of the longest injury lists in the comp. Once these blokes are up and about, our game day 23 may look very different: Stocker, Honey, Motlop, McGovern, Kemp, Marchbank (if he gets past glassman syndrome), Cuningham (IF he continues on from where he left off and makes a full recovery from that knee), Carroll and Philp.
Ed C might be nearing the end. Mirkov is a diamond in the rough. Willo needs to make another step up.
My fingers are crossed for Young and Omac. A versatile tall defender may well end up being an end of season priority.
The coach's box battle on Sunday may well be intriguing.
Though undoubtedly very talented, Cerra needs to put more ticker into his game. And to say that Martin needs to lift (big time) is an understatement.
True, but perhaps a bit harsh on Martin. I have watched him closely this season and he works hard all game. However, his leads are often ignored and he is expected to take contested marks when we go long down the line.
Martins best game for us was his first when he played 4 quarters, since then he has been injured, inconsistent and his form has mirrored his days at Gold Coast. If he wasnt on big dollars he would be in the twos IMO, I get he can get ignored in play as a half forward and the role he plays is probably a bit undefined especially now he probably wont get much of a run in the midfield but he has to do more to keep his spot when we have a full list to choose from. We all know he can play at a high level but is frustrating in a Chris Yarran type of way how he drifts out of games completely..
Yes, our frustrations are clearly because we know he is good, I mean Martin is more than capable of dominating a game. By now we should have seen some Stringer like performances from him but we haven't, the first game showed the promise but it's unfulfilled. Remember Dow's first game?
We are not frustrated because we think he is no good, we know ability wise he is not a fraud, if only he would perform consistently.
Sometimes fans take the criticism of their idols the wrong way, they read what we have written and think we hate the player, that is far from the truth, and especially relevant to the likes of Yarran, Lang, Dow, Marchbank or Martin among others. Having all the ability and potential in the world will not save you if you fail to perform to the level required.
Yep, I appreciate that
@Baggers ... plus the injuries and the covid impacts but he wouldn't want to drop this one on the possible failure of some selections.
No surprise to see Lycette out for Sunday. Need to make sure we capitalize on that, like Gold Coast did last week.
Interesting final squad Newnes, Cottrell rewarded, De Koning, Plowman, O'Brien out, Setterfield and Martin survive..... yes interesting.
Not surprise TDK gets a rest, he's looked a bit off pace since Rnd 1, I presume LoB is injured.
Only surprise for me is Newnes, he's been collecting kms and possessions at VFL level without looking influential, I'm always wary of seasoned AFL players doing just what is needed at VFL, Lang used to be one like that.
Dow has been dominating at VFL, so a natural swap for Cripps, and Cottrell runs at another level so maybe Cottrell is a natural swap for LoB.
Fogarty swapped out for Durdin was a no brainer.
Only issue I see, we've lost a couple of fairly good ball users, and not much to impress by foot has come in, in fact I'd say disposal won't be a feature this week! Might be a long game for BigH, Charlie and SoJ.
Has Teague been asked for pick this weeks team?
Much weaker team on paper and they have some important ins.
No Dow or Stocker but Newnes, Cottrell and Parks get another look while setterfield still does enough to hold his place.
Not confident now and can’t see us winning this one.
Hmm, I'd heard Dow was an in, then I see the official team and he's a not!
Let's see if that changes Sunday, we will know by 11am when the VFL game streams live on the AFL website!
( In context, remember that they pulled Dow out early last week as an AFL emergency! )
Common thread with the ins and outs is the contested nature of the players imho.
eg Cottrell and Parks are not pretty but will give you effort. O'Brien is unlucky thought he did give effort vs GC.
Bit surprised no Dow and TDK as an out..
Can't win with the picked side, we're starting to draw upon "depth" players, and that doesn't auger well.
Fisher and Martin should buy lotto tickets, they're blessed to be in the seniors this week.
Backs: Zac Williams Lewis Young Sam Docherty
Half-backs: Adam Saad Jacob Weitering Luke Parks
Centreline: Sam Walsh George Hewett Jack Newnes
Half-forwards: Matthew Owies Charlie Curnow Jack Martin
Forwards: Zac Fisher Harry McKay Jack Silvagni
Followers: Marc Pittonet Adam Cerra Will Setterfield
Interchange: Matthew Cottrell Corey Durdin Matthew Kennedy Nic Newman
Emergencies: Tom De Koning Paddy Dow Lachie Fogarty Lochie O'Brien
I'm surprised that Dow is not in the 22, but he will be the injury sub.
To be honest, I'd rather another real ruck than relying on Silvagni, but that is another tale.
Lots changes, risky, hope we win.
Agree never like when there are so many depth players in the one game. Setterfield should buy bingo tickets as well as lotto.
I like the changes. 2 reasons - a) reward for effort & b) a strong message.
Should give blokes in the Magoos incentive as well. Few blokes there, if they continue good form, will press for selection for next week - further pressure on a few blokes in the ones. Fisher, Owies and Martin would want to improve/lift... a lot.
The hype, honeymoon and romance are over. Time to put in 120 minutes of pure focus, intensity, hard work a doing your job... very, very well.
I just hope Harry is on his game and Curnow puts in 4 quarters. That goes for many others too !
Agree but made harder with Aliir Aliir back.
Unlikely he will be match fit and his inclusion which is weeks earlier then predicted screams of desperation from Hinkley who just needs the win to keep the wolves at bay.
Even though he wont be 100% our delivery into the F50 has to be directed low and clean or he will pick them off.
0 - 5 and they most likely won't make the eight Shawny. Can't shed a tear over that outcome.
Perhaps we should be playing our 210cm ruckman Mirkov!!
Port have included young ruckman Sam Hayes "205cm" 22 years 102 kg
cheers Ab
I would like to have a second ruck in the 22. But I don't select the team. I just hope they know more than I do.
The axe dropped - nice.
Hypothetical one.... If we lose we drop to 3 -2. Breaking it down we had 2 good wins against good opposition then a lucky win against Hawthorn and 2 losses when going in favorite. Taking off the blue glasses could us fans still believe we have improved on last year efforts?
Still early in the season i know but its a massive game on Sunday as a loss at home to Port in their current state will is worse then last week and bring all the early season hype to a grinding halt.
I supposed this is Vossy saying "we aren't tolerating crap performances" and there were plenty last week. I said TDK wouldn't enjoy watching his tape, this should sting him right in the tail.
Theres another story to think of here. Voss would have sat in the inner sanctum for the last few matches port played vs Carlton and would know what they might be thinking regarding our players and going with a line up that will cause Port issues for planning how to beat us.
Newnes and Cottrell have been marauding the wings in VFL they deserve a run.
Playing Silvagni as second ruck weakens our forward line as well as giving the opposition a free hit when Pittonet has to rest. I don't have a problem with dropping De Koning, but cheating with Silvagni as backup ruckman should be an occasional tactic against suitable opposition.
I suspect it is because of the way our run has diminished.
That is also why I suspect LoB is injured not omitted.
Port ruck Marshall as their relief for Lycett since they traded out Ladhams so Jack shouldn't be monstered but it's not a tactic we should employ with teams who have two genuine ruckman.
yep surprise selections he knows they won't have match ups for whilst dropping blokes they will. No point going with o brien against Port when they played with loose half backs rather than wingers as one example.
Whats happened to Williamson? Sub in round 1, 4 rounds in not seen.
Yep, and Vossy acknowledged just this.
Port have taken us to the cleaners recently, but tomorrow it is a different CFC taking the field, with a different game plan managed by different people. Likewise, Port are not slaying all before them at present.
Maybe Vossy missing from the Port coaching group is having more of an impact than some may realise? For moi tomorrow's game is against two sides wounded after recent encounters (this year). Both will be desperate to make amends... makes for a fascinating contest. I feel a lot more confident about this game than I did last week.
From a glass half full perspective, SOJ gives an 'honest' contest in the ruck but once the aggot hits the grass he becomes a footy smart midfielder.
And with Pitto resting up forward when SOJ is rucking it gives Port a different headache. Pitto back in the ruck is important, very important.
TDK is struggling. His cameos this season have been exciting, but they've been just that - cameos. He'll be a champ but **cliche alert** bigger blokes takes time and we may have pushed him a little too far, too soon. Time needed.
Wrapped our best small forward is back (Durds - I feel a man crush coming on!!)... might just relieve the pressure on Fisher and Owies enough for them to step up - they'd better as Motlop and Philp are warming up nicely in the Magoos and won't want to be a dew kickers for much longer.
Not available until this weekend: he was off with Covid issues. Will be close again in a week or two.
I am more than pleased using VFL for our players to improve their game. Kennedy last year, Dow this year, TDK next in line - this trend should continue. LOB is okay player with ball in hand and good honest kid.... but soft as butter.
I am also very pleased we are rewarding players for good form in VFL
The inclusion of Newnes and cottrell makes me think Voss knows a couple of port players who don't like a tag, and/or contested footy.
Send those 2 to a couple of players and they know they are in for a hard slog.
Tdk out, with Jack as backup makes me think port will struggle against a smaller forward line. This would explain why owies, Martin and Fisher are still in, along with durdin back as well. Go small and worry their defence.
Could it be for the first time in a long time that we have picked a side to play the opposition?
Hawthorn and GCS butchered us on the outside. LOB has laid one tackle in 11 quarters of football
Setterfield and Fisher are not much better than LOB and should be on thin ice.
He's been on the injury list for a week or 2 then copped COVID Iso for a week Thry!
I believe we have developed a pretty good list over the past seven drafts. Over the last couple of seasons we have been hindered by having a large number of injuries as well as having long term injuries to key players. Last week we had the situation where eleven players were unavailable which has been par for the course during recent seasons, this week we are back down to five or six. This means we are able to swing the axe and bring in in form players from the twos after one and a half games of sub-par performance, which is a luxury we haven't had in the past.. I am a bit surprised by the Dow decision, though he might be the sub this week. With the twos playing well, players are able to go back down, others players are able to come back from injury through there, players are able to develop properly and others are able to find some form which is good for the whole Club. Competition for places is what you need if you are going to succeed, I am happy with the players out and I am happy with the players in. They just need to perform at the MCG on Sunday.
Interesting that Voss has given the tick to Weitering, that's the 3rd coach in a row to have Weiters take the reigns in the captains absence.
To me that is a significant tell, about the longer term.
Would have been a huge disrespect if he hadn't
Looks like Dow is the sub. Hope he doesn't get much game time, but if he does I hope he shows a bit.
Five tackles for the season, same as Weitering 🤔