Princes Park => Robert Heatley Stand => Topic started by: crashlander on April 15, 2022, 11:05:05 am
Title: VFL Rd 4 2022 Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: crashlander on April 15, 2022, 11:05:05 am
This game is set for Sunday at Ikon Park at 1105. No mention as to who is playing as yet.
That said, Carroll should be back.
Plow needs to find form and fitness, neither of which he has had this year. He has been struggling for fitness since the pre-season and its is not difficult to tell. A couple of weeks of hard work on the track and the opportunity to make an impression in the 2's is exactly what he needs.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 4 2022 Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: crashlander on April 16, 2022, 11:00:36 am
Still no mention of the line-up for this week. Williamson should be back. Jesse Motlop and Oscar Mac should also play.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 4 2022 Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: JonDorotich on April 16, 2022, 11:23:13 am
Wonder how far away Honey is?
Honey, Dow, McGovern, Motlop and Cunningham all have pace we desperately need at AFL level. I’d love to see 2-3 of those in the side.
Newnes /Cottrell rather than Dow this week is a real head scratcher.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 4 2022 Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: pinot on April 16, 2022, 11:37:01 am
Honey, Dow, McGovern, Motlop and Cunningham all have pace we desperately need at AFL level. I’d love to see 2-3 of those in the side.
Newnes /Cottrell rather than Dow this week is a real head scratcher.
It seems to me this coaching group has put an emphasis on players that can tackle. If you are weak in this part of the game then you need to bring strengths in other areas. Newnes and Cottrell while not great by foot but still ok run all day and can lay a good tackle. This stops the opposition from slaughtering us on the outside.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 4 2022 Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Thryleon on April 16, 2022, 11:52:40 am
Isn't Newnes a bit like lob? I think he's a better user of the footy in general and a stronger athlete at this stage but they seem to be a bit "sameish" if you ask me.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 4 2022 Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: LP on April 16, 2022, 12:15:12 pm
Isn't Newnes a bit like lob? I think he's a better user of the footy in general and a stronger athlete at this stage but they seem to be a bit "sameish" if you ask me.
Yes I doubt LoB was dropped, he's had 3 out of 4 pretty good games, unless there are logistical / contract issues around being rookied.
So I assume LoB has got some minor injury they'll keep schtum about.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 4 2022 Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: pinot on April 16, 2022, 01:47:42 pm
Isn't Newnes a bit like lob? I think he's a better user of the footy in general and a stronger athlete at this stage but they seem to be a bit "sameish" if you ask me.
fair enough - although my post wasn't about LOB didn't mention him. as generalising and LOB does fall in this category as does Fisher and Setterfield. Newnes is a pro and can patrol the wings.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 4 2022 Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: kruddler on April 16, 2022, 05:22:08 pm
Isn't Newnes a bit like lob? I think he's a better user of the footy in general and a stronger athlete at this stage but they seem to be a bit "sameish" if you ask me.
Newnes has a battle hardened body and doesn't take short steps. LOB, at least prior to this season, failed those 2 areas by comparison. He has been better this year.
That was the whole reason we traded for Newnes. He'd played 147 games in a row and was almost never injured.
I think Newnes has a bit more footy nous and is better at sticking to a task.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 4 2022 Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: ElwoodBlues1 on April 16, 2022, 08:14:26 pm
Newnes has a battle hardened body and doesn't take short steps. LOB, at least prior to this season, failed those 2 areas by comparison. He has been better this year.
That was the whole reason we traded for Newnes. He'd played 147 games in a row and was almost never injured.
I think Newnes has a bit more footy nous and is better at sticking to a task.
Newnes kicks the odd handy goal and agree has more nous than a few of our other options. Not a fan of LOB but he has been better and i would have kept him in the team this week and am surprised he was dropped. Voss imo has gone with more contested players this week and must have been disappointed with that area in the last couple of weeks.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 4 2022 Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: JonDorotich on April 16, 2022, 09:51:15 pm
It seems to me this coaching group has put an emphasis on players that can tackle. If you are weak in this part of the game then you need to bring strengths in other areas. Newnes and Cottrell while not great by foot but still ok run all day and can lay a good tackle. This stops the opposition from slaughtering us on the outside.
Dow’s tackling is ok and surely has Newnes and Cottrell covered in most areas. Anyway time will tell if there is a last minute change to bring Dow in.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 4 2022 Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: townsendcalling on April 16, 2022, 11:55:04 pm
Dow’s tackling is ok and surely has Newnes and Cottrell covered in most areas. Anyway time will tell if there is a last minute change to bring Dow in.
That's fine, but Dow is not a winger. When he comes in he has to be played in a position that will give him the best chance to succeed.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 4 2022 Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Thryleon on April 17, 2022, 08:34:54 am
Let me save you guys a lot of trouble. Following patterns and trends I'm pretty confident that Dow will leave at end of season ala SPS.
Its not using anything but recent happenings as a yard stick. We've gone heavy recruiting mids last season and they cover the spread of ages that we drafted through sps dow and lob. That means some will go. Lob will stay because he fills more of a need than dow does and dow's limitations of outside run, finishing, disposal are going to be why we cut him loose. He will be a good player for another team, but more of an also ran than the main event but may jump up later on if he can tidy up his game and add some more strings to his bow.
I like dow, but he is a bit of an inside mid and is a bit wasteful with ball in hand and doesn't quite get it enough to not be anything but clinical. The fact that he can't crack it for a game now whilst cripps is out is probably the death knell for him in navy.
This isn't solely about ability. There's a money element to it. As a former first rounder only way he stays is if he is re rookied because thats the only way his salary doesn't continue on the upward trend and he isn't contributing enough to be a top earner in our team. Unless he comes in and becomes the star he could be, then we'll move heaven and earth to keep him.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 4 2022 Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Thryleon on April 17, 2022, 08:38:34 am
Newnes has a battle hardened body and doesn't take short steps. LOB, at least prior to this season, failed those 2 areas by comparison. He has been better this year.
That was the whole reason we traded for Newnes. He'd played 147 games in a row and was almost never injured.
I think Newnes has a bit more footy nous and is better at sticking to a task.
Ive seen Newnes pull out of contests. He isn't a hard man is what im trying to get at. lob hasn't taken many short steps but he needs to get a bit stronger.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 4 2022 Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Baggers on April 17, 2022, 11:46:31 am
Pretty ordinary first qtr from the BlueBaggers. Not much to get enthused about from anyone.
Tiggers: 5.1.31 Blues: 2.0.12
Soldo is taking Mirkov and TDK to the cleaners. Most of the play was in the Tiggers forward line.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 4 2022 Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: LP on April 17, 2022, 11:52:52 am
Seriously horrible commentary, only knows and calls the Nthmond players.
I suspect that's because the Tiggers are making the play and are mostly first to the aggot. They're hunting us well and applying lots of pressure and causing many errors from us.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 4 2022 Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: LP on April 17, 2022, 12:13:33 pm
AFL needs to act to stop players throwing themselves forward when tackled, it's the new ducking, and someone is going to get seriously hurt!
Title: Re: VFL Rd 4 2022 Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Baggers on April 17, 2022, 12:15:57 pm
Skill errors, poor decisions are costing us dearly. Put it down to the relentless pressure from the Tiggers.
Tiggers now up by 38 pts, late 2nd qtr.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 4 2022 Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: LP on April 17, 2022, 12:25:39 pm
Just like our AFL team, we look flat, this leads me to question our approach to match fitness and mental preparation.
If we look flat in the AFL in the next hour or so surely some serious questions will be asked, and this time perhaps not of the coach!
Title: Re: VFL Rd 4 2022 Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: LP on April 17, 2022, 12:55:43 pm
LoB running FB to FF, really hard to see why he was dropped, just looks to me like he has continued his good form from AFL to VFL.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 4 2022 Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: pinot on April 17, 2022, 01:05:09 pm
Boys doing well around the ground - moving the ball forward not great and forwards in general not on their game.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 4 2022 Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: crashlander on April 17, 2022, 06:30:35 pm
Just like the seniors, our game plan is based on winning the ball in the middle. That didn't happen today. Soldo was the difference, as he cut off the supply to our mids and put us on the back foot.
Congratulations to Will Hayes: 37 possession, 6 marks, 4 tackles and 10 clearances from a losing ruck combo. This guy wants back on an AFL list very badly, and we'd be crazy not to pick him. He might play a bit vanilla, but he has been in our best every week. We want gut running: he provides it.
Jack Carroll isn't far away, even though he was much quieter after quarter time. 11 possessions in the first quarter. 23 disposals and 7 clearances.
Otherwise, our defenders were our better players because the forwards didn't see much of it. Williamson and Plowman could hold their hands up high: they contributed nicely.
As for the others, they were well down: O'Brien: a lot of running, but only 15 possessions. Noe enough to get a recall for me. Jordan Boyd: reportedly injured, possibly seriously. Got 18 possessions until then. Liam Stocker: 13 possessions and not impressive. Give him a few more weeks to work on his fitness. The rest will come. Sam Philp: 13 possessions and 2 goals. Not our worst, especially as he managed 4 clearances as well. Lochie Fogarty: 13 possessions and 2 clearances. Won't be there in 2023 on this effort. Jesse Motlop: 12 possessions and 1 goal. Inexperience showed. Tom de Koning: 15 possessions and 7 clearances, but beaten by a big, strong ruckman. We need a 2nd ruckman next week, but I'm not sure Tom has done enough to be it. Brodie Kemp: 10 possessions. Very disappointing. Lots some way off at the moment. He isn't holding his marks.
The side will be much stronger next week when Dow comes back, although he may play seniors yet. Honey and Oscar Mac will also make a big difference also. More importantly, our ruck division will be a lot more productive. We play Werribee at Werribee on Saturday.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 4 2022 Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Milhanna13 on April 20, 2022, 10:30:11 am
Just like the seniors, our game plan is based on winning the ball in the middle. That didn't happen today. Soldo was the difference, as he cut off the supply to our mids and put us on the back foot.
Congratulations to Will Hayes: 37 possession, 6 marks, 4 tackles and 10 clearances from a losing ruck combo. This guy wants back on an AFL list very badly, and we'd be crazy not to pick him. He might play a bit vanilla, but he has been in our best every week. We want gut running: he provides it.
Jack Carroll isn't far away, even though he was much quieter after quarter time. 11 possessions in the first quarter. 23 disposals and 7 clearances.
Otherwise, our defenders were our better players because the forwards didn't see much of it. Williamson and Plowman could hold their hands up high: they contributed nicely.
As for the others, they were well down: O'Brien: a lot of running, but only 15 possessions. Noe enough to get a recall for me. Jordan Boyd: reportedly injured, possibly seriously. Got 18 possessions until then. Liam Stocker: 13 possessions and not impressive. Give him a few more weeks to work on his fitness. The rest will come. Sam Philp: 13 possessions and 2 goals. Not our worst, especially as he managed 4 clearances as well. Lochie Fogarty: 13 possessions and 2 clearances. Won't be there in 2023 on this effort. Jesse Motlop: 12 possessions and 1 goal. Inexperience showed. Tom de Koning: 15 possessions and 7 clearances, but beaten by a big, strong ruckman. We need a 2nd ruckman next week, but I'm not sure Tom has done enough to be it. Brodie Kemp: 10 possessions. Very disappointing. Lots some way off at the moment. He isn't holding his marks.
The side will be much stronger next week when Dow comes back, although he may play seniors yet. Honey and Oscar Mac will also make a big difference also. More importantly, our ruck division will be a lot more productive. We play Werribee at Werribee on Saturday.
Thanks mate - great summarry, for those of us who didnt watch
Title: Re: VFL Rd 4 2022 Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: WASurfer on April 20, 2022, 11:20:17 am
Hopefully Jack Carroll gets a debut in coming weeks....off a wing sounds like a perfect spot for him.
Title: Re: VFL Rd 4 2022 Carlton vs Richmond
Post by: Baggers on April 20, 2022, 11:32:17 am